NHL rumours 7

11 Jul 2019 20:45:17
Toronto:Nylander

Min:Brodin

11 Jul 2019 21:26:50
Why do you keep making Nylander proposals just stop.

11 Jul 2019 21:43:53
@vb
Because Nylander kind of sucks now, and there are rumours Toronto will be willing to trade him. That’ll free up cap space. You should be the LAST person to tell people what to post.

11 Jul 2019 23:16:19
I don’t see why anyone does Toronto a favor here and takes that cap hit.

11 Jul 2019 23:24:08
Brodin only has two years left on his contract. You don’t think Leafs would be better off trading Nylander for a younger player that will not be UFA in two years?

12 Jul 2019 00:39:27
Lol look at my last posts all are much more reasonable then anything you’ve ever posted. Click on my username and scroll through.

12 Jul 2019 00:42:46
Nylander doesn't suck Ty. He had a bad season. Cripes people are quick to just players as busts.

12 Jul 2019 11:16:51
VB, I make Nylander proposals bcuz Dubas said he won't start the season in Toronto, so trying to make possible trade scenarios.

12 Jul 2019 12:31:19
At what point in time did Dubas say "William Nylander will not be starting in Toronto next year" because if he said that TSN would have had an earthquake.

12 Jul 2019 13:29:25
He never said that

11 Jul 2019 15:42:18
Buffalo Trades
SReinhart
Vesey
Ristolainen

Toronto Trades
Marner
Hyman
Borgman (AHL)

This people would be more a Hockey Trade then a Cap Trade.
Probably never happen but it would solve the Leafs Cap Situation but at the same time yes they lose the best player in the trade but improve overall getting those 3 from Buffalo.
For the Sabres they get an elite RWinger to play with Eichel and leaves then with one move to make getting a second line Centre.

Thoughts?

11 Jul 2019 16:50:19
lol Leafs trade Marner to Buffalo so he can haunt them for the next decade. Makes sense.

11 Jul 2019 16:52:21
Babcock probably wouldn’t trade Hyman for that whole package he’s the best player in the planet in his mind. But anyway value wise no from leafs Hyman over Vesey. Marner over those other two Rienhart is good but Ristolainen isn’t great.

Eichel=Marner

Counter-

Buffalo: Middelstad, Rienhart And 2020 1st

Toronto: Marner And 2nd 2020.

11 Jul 2019 18:30:09
Ah yes. Pinball is in fact back.

11 Jul 2019 19:39:41
I hope Marner gets signed soon so we can stop with these ridiculous trade proposals. I had enough listening to the Jets fans with Trouba, I really don’t want any more of this crap.

11 Jul 2019 19:59:45
Idc what anyone says, this is absolute s*** for the Leafs, especially if its Marner going to Buffalo.

11 Jul 2019 20:58:01
Big no from Buffalo, Reinhart and Marner are closer in value.

11 Jul 2019 21:27:34
I agree absolutely terrible.

11 Jul 2019 21:47:14
so why not just click on agree?

11 Jul 2019 23:01:24
Detroit Mantha is probably trolling but I’ll bite.

Rienhart a 24 year old defensive liability

2018-2019 stats- 82GP 22G 43A 65P

Marner a 22 year old near elite 2 way star

2018-2019 stats 82GP 26G 68A 94P

Hmmm? Are they close in value tho? Marner would get something a little less then what Eric Lindros got.

11 Jul 2019 23:54:05
Vbb stop responding to him you sound just as bad when you do. I explained to you a few days ago what lindros got in a trade. No player in the world will get close to that now with the salary cap in place. no player and that includes marner.

11 Jul 2019 23:50:42
The fact others say it's bad for Toronto and it's bad for Buffalo tells me it's fair.

12 Jul 2019 00:08:34
Good trade imo.

11 Jul 2019 15:33:25
Islanders Trade
Mayfield

Leafs Trade
Hyman
Hollowell (AHL)

Thoughts?

11 Jul 2019 16:40:17
No from leafs

11 Jul 2019 16:56:20
Why are you trying to trade Hyman he’s the last player that’ll be traded I’m not even a big fan of his but Babcock loves him.

11 Jul 2019 18:58:03
@vbb Maybe that would be the reason dubas would trade him.

11 Jul 2019 21:11:07
vbbbvvbb the Leafs are about 1.2m over the Cap to sign Marner, look at the Roster who goes other than Hyman? The Buffalo Proposal gives the Leafs that 1.2m they need and this Proposal for Mayfield the same.
Unless Marner signs for 9 to 9.5m they are over the Cap.
And yes I have included Horton on LTIR. That's why I am making Hyman trade proposals.

11 Jul 2019 21:28:59
Mathews probably gets traded before Hyman lol.

11 Jul 2019 23:29:23
Looking at the roster, it appears likely Hyman will be left exposed at the expansion draft, and Seattle would likely select him. Trading him before then makes sense.

11 Jul 2019 08:27:38
Vegas Golden Knights:

Nikita Gusev


Ottawa Senators:

Filip Chlapik

2nd Round Pick 2020.

11 Jul 2019 11:48:12
Sens would need to take on clarksons contract aswell.

11 Jul 2019 14:59:08
@snake

Why would they need to do that?

11 Jul 2019 21:29:40
Because Vegas is looking to shed salary in a Gusev Trade.

11 Jul 2019 02:17:01
Hockey Trade:

Vegas Golden Knights trade:
(W) Nikita Gusev [RFA]

Edmonton Oilers trade:
(W) Jesse Puljuarvi

- Vegas acquires a gamble of a player, who hasn’t fully panned out in Edmonton, and at cheap, could be a useful depth acquisition on a deep team at forward. As for Edmonton, they acquire the more proven, older scorer, who would likely be a stud alongside McDavid. VGK don't have the cap for Gusev pm a potentailly 4x2, so i feel like this is a win for both.

11 Jul 2019 15:01:46
Vegas. Ishtar want more. Puljujarvi is a huge gamble compared to Gusev. Can Edmonton afford this trade?

11 Jul 2019 00:47:04
Carolina: Gauthier

Nashville: Turris (50% retain)

11 Jul 2019 02:46:51
Why does Nashville do this?

11 Jul 2019 06:51:33
Agree with moneyhands. Turris is still a good 2/ 3 Center IMO.

11 Jul 2019 07:21:19
@SeanMoneyHands @Leafs17
Well, because Kyle Turris scored only 7 goals and 23 points this past season and was also benched multiple times.

Not to mention he’s getting paid 6 million for the next 5 years.

If Kyle Turris bounces back, this could be a huge steal for Carolina, but if he continues to decline this deal sucks for them. They lose a B- prospect too.

11 Jul 2019 11:04:02
I'd say Gauthier is atleast A-. he's still very young and looks like hell be a solid middle 6 nhler.

11 Jul 2019 13:13:32
Mantha this is why prospects values can get out of control on here. A guy that projects as a solid middle 6 player is a B, B- or C+ type prospect. A should be reserved for game breakers and franchise changers. A- should at least mean legit top line potential.

11 Jul 2019 13:31:01
Yah he’s a C+ prospect at best b.

11 Jul 2019 15:03:37
Gauthier isn’t a very good prospect, but neither is Turris a good player. Nashville’s wants to dump Turris ASAP would do this. They traded Subban for less. I doubt they retain salary though.

11 Jul 2019 16:52:15
I misread and thought that was Gauthier from the leafs. I still think Turris is a solid player and will bounce back.

10 Jul 2019 21:06:26
To Edmonton: Jost
To Colorado: Pullujarvi + Lucic + 1st round conditional if Lucic and Pullujarvi not play total of 100 game this season)

11 Jul 2019 01:06:42
No from Colorado.
As an Oilers fan I really don’t see any scenario where any value is coming back to us in a Lucic trade.

11 Jul 2019 11:45:51
Tyba its not lucic for jost . if oilers att puljujärvi + a first then there has to be value back.

11 Jul 2019 15:10:32
Jost is a bust himself. That’s why Colorado had to get Kadri. They need a center coming back though now that Kerfoot is gone.

11 Jul 2019 18:34:32
@Swechamp
Yeah, I guess but that first is conditional and Puljujarvi has proved absolutely nothing at the NHL level. Jost for Puljujarvi is fairly close in value but if add Lucic that’s just a huge loss for Colorado. A conditional first doesn’t really make it fair imo.

11 Jul 2019 18:47:45
I think it’s too early yet to call jost a bust, he’s what 20? He’s got loads of skill just needs to put it together st nhl level too early to call him a bust while playing arguably the hardest position in hockey to play.

10 Jul 2019 20:59:07
Toronto:Marner,Ceci

Buffalo:Ristolainen,Mccabe

Toronto gets

10 Jul 2019 21:11:35
toronto gets much worse.

10 Jul 2019 21:55:14
Probably the worst proposal I’ve ever seen and that takes a lot good job.

10 Jul 2019 23:38:08
Your leaf hate is getting ridiculous.

11 Jul 2019 00:44:59
He’s told us he doesn’t hate the leafs cherry. He just doesn’t know hockey I guess. He thinks Kotkaniemi is better than Laine.

11 Jul 2019 00:45:55
Explain to me how that's a bad trade? 6.4" RHD who gets 40+ points. He would be the best defensemen on the Leafs especially if paired with Reilly. Then he might be the best defensemen in the division. Plus u get McCabe who would bump Muzzin to third pair.

11 Jul 2019 00:49:39
I think Mantha and Balsam are the same person.

11 Jul 2019 02:05:21
Marcus has become Mantha.

11 Jul 2019 02:31:03
Lol best dman in the division he’s not even close to Rielly let alone Hedman.

11 Jul 2019 03:41:09
We shouldn't have to explain it Mantha. It's a horrible trade offer.

11 Jul 2019 04:07:28
Eichel and bogosian for Travis dermott and ceci.

11 Jul 2019 06:35:53
Did someone really just say Risto would be the best D man in a division with Rielly Webber Hedman McDonagh McAvoy Chara and Ekblad? Risto is top pair offensively and 3rd pair defensively, playing him with a solid stay at home defender could better utilize his strengths and cover his weaknesses but doesn’t make him a better player, it would just make it a better pair.

11 Jul 2019 15:24:51
This was a joke right? Nobody would seriously consider this guy to be legit.

11 Jul 2019 18:35:54
I can just imagine a group chat with Marcus, VB, Pinball and Detroit Mantha and they’re all discussing how they can troll us with bad trades.

10 Jul 2019 19:10:20
Tor:Nylander,Lilijegreen

Buff:Ristolainen

10 Jul 2019 20:18:45
Thats a nope from da Leafs.

10 Jul 2019 21:55:57
Leafs would not be adding In a Ristolainen/ Nylander swap.

11 Jul 2019 03:30:17
Ya they would. Risto had more points then Nylander as a defensemen last year and could possibly next year as well. he's also solid defensively and would make the Leafs defence one of the best in the nhl.

11 Jul 2019 06:42:20
Nylander only played half a season. And Risto is not solid defensively, he might be one of the worst defensively on Buffalo. I know they aren’t a good team but I maintain from a defensive standpoint I’m not sure he isn’t part of the problem, top pair offensively 3rd pair defensively. Just because someone plays bad defence on a bad team doesn’t mean moving him to second pair on a good team is going to make him above average defensively, he will still be a defensive liability fewer minutes just means it’ll be less of an impact and easier to help hide.

11 Jul 2019 07:26:21
Not totally true jbs Jeff petry was much better defensively on the 2nd pair then when he was filling in for Webber on the top pair. Jordie Benn was awful when he played against the other teams top line but was really good as a 3rd pair. that's two times i saw it happen first hand just this season. Mike komiserek was useless without Markov Eric weinrich was a real good defensive defenseman until the habs forced him to be a number one then he looked awful. Now risto isn't the top tier dman manta is saying he is but he's still good. Players can be better depending on the situation they are in defensive assignments defenseman partners systems etc. The skill set is there for risto to succeed he was just rushed into a role he wasn't ready for and didn't have a partner to guide him along like mcdonagh muzzin etc he can easily reach that level in the right situation.

11 Jul 2019 13:22:50
i disagree Habby. Whether Petry is on the first or second pair he is the same player. He isn’t any better defensively, he is just playing against lower competition. Playing in a role you’re ready or suited for doesn’t make you a better player it just optimizes your skill set. Risto playing with a McDonagh doesn’t make him a better defensive player, it allows him to excel offensively while hiding his defensive shortcomings. There’s a difference between being better and being more effective. Ristolainen would be extremely effective as a 3rd pair D man leading the PP. That doesn’t mean in that role he’s any better than he is today, he’s just utilized differently to play on his strengths and hide his weaknesses. Obviously guidance from a solid stay at home D could help him develop that side of his game, but I don’t see taking responsibility away from someone as making them a better player, just gives them a role they are better suited for.

11 Jul 2019 13:35:37
Well Risto làcks hockey sense and speed so
That takes away from his skill set.

11 Jul 2019 15:28:19
Risto. lacks more than just hockey sense. He lacks common sense. Some of those mistakes he makes leads me to believe he is uncoachabke.

11 Jul 2019 16:07:04
Well mcdonagh for example when he came into the league wasn't that great either till he got paired with Dan girardi does that mean he wasn't good? No it means when he was put in the right situation to best display his abilities he developed into a real good player. Now you may not think he is so good considering he blocked like 40 more shots then Risto this year which means he didn't have the puck a lot lol. it's the same thing for a forward when they have a breakout season after 3 or 4 years of underachieving like mackinnon for example a lot of people said he was a bust his first four years . knowing what we know now does this mean he was a bad player then and just magically got good?

11 Jul 2019 16:18:54
Also all dmen have shortcomings some are less effective against bigger more physical players and others against faster skaters for instance only a handful of dmen in the league are elite against all forms of competition. It's up to their partner and the coaching staff to help keep them in the area they are best at. If a defenseman was great no matter what you wouldn't see any difference in their production depending on who they play with or against. But for the most part you do.

11 Jul 2019 17:10:22
I’m not arguing any of the Habby. What I’m saying and will continue to say is Petry was NOT a better player when he played on second pair as opposed to top pair covering for Webber last year. McDonagh developed with Girardi but he was not a better player because he was on a pair with Girardi. Playing with another player can help cover weaknesses and allow you to play more on strengths like I have stated. MacKinnon making great plays his teammates don’t finish to making the same plays and his teammates finishing help Macs stats but did many make him a better player. Chemistry helps effectiveness but not talent, why is that so hard to understand. Kucherov doesn’t get a more accurate or powerful shot because he’s playing with Stamkos or Point. He isn’t able to deke better. He’ll put up more points and be more effective because of the talent around him but it doesn’t make him a better player. Same with Risto, Petry, McDonagh. Playing a role you’re suited for with better players/ against worse makes you more effective but not a better player. I’m not a better player in a rec league than I would be in the NHL, I’m the same player just more effective against other scrubs.

11 Jul 2019 18:48:43
Of course he doesn't instantly become better but your leaving out the fact that players can improve. Mcdonagh is better today cause he had a good steady partner through the years he leaned the most of his career. Some people like Risto didn't get that oppuntunity, not yet anyway. When nhl teams are scouting they look at skill set first and foremost not whether a player spent a little more time in his own zone. Analytics can help in certain areas but they don't mean close to everything especially when it comes to defence.

11 Jul 2019 18:55:11
Karlsson is an analytic darling so was subban but I wouldn't call either great defensively. Having the puck on your stick makes it easier and looks better on the analytic eye test but if your prone to giveaways at bad times, if your not clearing the crease, if your not blocking shots, if your not dishing out hits and playing physical (especially playoff time) and if your not keeping the other team honest in your end of the rink then your not playing defence anyway. Risto is well above average in 4 of those 5 categories plus he's good for 40 plus points a year I'd call that pretty good.

11 Jul 2019 19:02:31
There are 5 other teammates on the ice with you at most times any of them can make the rest look bad with bad coverage. When Buffalo is getting out classed almost every shift its only logical to think the guy playing the most against the tougher competition is going to look the worse.

11 Jul 2019 19:35:38
Your right jbs32, not every D is Drew Doughty. Playing him more sheltered minutes doesn’t magically make him Doughty. But that’s not the expectations. He’ll continue to put up 40+ points and be less of a defensive liability playing on the 2nd pair and peoples view of him will change. His fancy analytics will improve then everyone will think he magically become Doughty though.

11 Jul 2019 20:37:34
I’m not failing to take into account that players can improve, I’m saying that you don’t improve as a player by being put on a different line or being given different responsibilities. Analytics aren’t bad, most people just misuse them and then go all old man yells at cloud about them. Defense is about keeping the puck out of your own net right? Analytics doesn’t have an eye test, that’s the traditional way of looking at Defense and the two work best when used together. There is value in blocking shots sure, but would you rather have the guy giving up 100 shots and blocking 5 or the guy spending more time in the other end giving up 50 shots and blocking 3? I think the view of what Defense is is part of the problem here, Defence isn’t just hits and blocked shots it’s puck retrieval, zone exits and preventing zone entries. Analytics looks at these while traditional stats don’t, and they are things often missed with the eye test because they are small boring things. The Athletic actually just posted an article today about Ristolainen speaking both to how he’s miscast but he was bad even by Buffalo D standards last season, and does not excel defensively, or offensively 5 on 5 his value is really on the PP.

12 Jul 2019 00:04:51
So how do players improve? Also if you switch bogosian or scandella with Risto and they play his minutes over the course of a season and face his competition and he plays their minutes could you see where there is a chance the analytic numbers might flip flop a little? Or a lot for that matter.

10 Jul 2019 17:07:28
Van - Brandon sutter + N. Goldobin


Edm. Jesse Puljujärvi

Edmonton gets good roster players.
Canucks dump cap and gamble on a prospect.

10 Jul 2019 21:39:09
Oilers won’t take Sutter unless a bad contract is going back.

10 Jul 2019 22:05:48
No better time than now to start doing some research into the team's cap eh? Might as well start.

11 Jul 2019 15:30:44
Chiarelli got fired remember? We won’t be seeing trades like this again as long as Holland is boss.

11 Jul 2019 18:38:30
@HockeyFanatic
We won’t be seeing trades at all because this is Ken “No Moves” Holland.