NHL rumours 7

15 Jan 2021 02:34:31
Habs: Barkov

Fla : Habs 2021 and 2022 first found picks,
KK, and Caufield.

15 Jan 2021 12:46:16
Barkov is not worth there best prospect in Caufield, Kotkaniemi whos young and decent and 2 1sts that could get the habs who stink btw really good young players.

15 Jan 2021 14:07:41
Barkov is worth more actually. @pens_87 you don’t watch hockey if you think Barkov has less value than that

15 Jan 2021 14:08:45
Sorry if I sounded harsh btw, I’ve watched a lot of Barkov. Also if you wanna get technical, look up his analytics

15 Jan 2021 14:22:27
No thanks. I really like Barkov, but not at that price.
I think a 1 2 punch of Suzuki, and KK at center could be really solid for the next decade.

15 Jan 2021 16:05:13
Barkov is worth a lot. I'd take him over Dubois and probably Eichel too.

15 Jan 2021 16:51:01
Eichel is a big overstatement.

15 Jan 2021 18:02:56
@Nylander That's what most believe. However I believe Eichel is a little overrated and Barkov is very underrated so to me value is close.

16 Jan 2021 00:52:07
@moxnix I would too.

16 Jan 2021 02:24:50
Brasov is better then Eichel abs it’s not clost.

16 Jan 2021 16:07:36
I mean cole caufield is insane @NotACausual
and "Ive watched a lot if Barkov" But you haven't watched worl juniors lol.

16 Jan 2021 23:02:27
@pens_87 world juniors don’t mean squat. Look at Poehling, Puljujarvi and Mittelstadt. That’s a horrible way to value players lmao you do realize Caufield is 5’7 160lbs in a league where the average height is 6 foot. He’ll be a smaller, less skilled Gaudreau.

17 Jan 2021 12:21:54
A lot of people told 5'6 Theo Fleury he was too small to play in the NHL. He wasn't afraid to take a hit or to hit the biggest, meanest guy on the other team either.

17 Jan 2021 17:25:06
The NHL is different today than it was. If Gaudreau at 5’9 struggles come playoff time, then Caufield at 5’7 will also struggle. He hasn’t been that impressive to where he can pull in an established 1C

17 Jan 2021 18:27:11
Yeah, back in the day there was more hitting, harder hitting and far fewer hits were against the rules.

It's easier for smaller players now than it was then. On the other hand Fleury 180 lbs and exceptionally tough for a little guy.

17 Jan 2021 18:58:17
BTW, I'm not saying this would be a good trade. Caufield is a decent prospect but that's all he is. He's an addon, not a major component of a trade.

Suzuki (instead of KK) and the 2 picks might be enough to do it. I see him as a 2nd line center on most teams right now but he's only 21 with just 1 year of NHL experience. I don't think Montreal would do that though.

15 Jan 2021 00:02:58
Cgy

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2021 1st

Clb

PLD

15 Jan 2021 08:44:04
Calgary gets robbed

15 Jan 2021 08:46:14
Forgot to include, you do realize Gaudreau is #5 on the even strength scorer list since he’s entered the league. He gets super undervalued on this site it’s ridiculous

15 Jan 2021 15:48:37
Personally I'd love to see this happen.

Unfortunately I'm pretty sure Columbus will want a 1st line center back. That means trading Monahan rather than Gaudreau. If they ask for Lindholm instead, forget it, Lindholm's contract is just too good. Backlund would fit Tortorella's system perfectly but considering his age the extra adds Columbus would ask for would like be more than Calgary would give up.

15 Jan 2021 15:49:28
@NotACasual

The problem with Gaudreau is he disappears when the hitting starts.

15 Jan 2021 15:51:46
Gaudreau is good Casual, but if I was Columbus, I wouldn't give up Dubois for 2 years of Gaudreau.

16 Jan 2021 00:53:25
I agree with both of you @moxnix and @memarcusjoe but Gaudreau gets seriously undervalued even though he does disappear in the playoffs.

14 Jan 2021 22:54:19
OTT:
Sanderson
L. Brown
2021 2nd

COL:
Dubois

OTT:
Abramov
Formenton
2022 1st

TOR:
Nylander

OTT:
P. Kelly

NYI:
Ho-sang

Tkatchuk-Dubois-Dadinov
Stützle-Norris-Nylander
Paul-Tierney-Batherson
White-Anisimov-Watson.

15 Jan 2021 09:26:24
So basically Sanderson for dubois?


Also I think the nylander offer is more total value, but dubois>nylander imo.

15 Jan 2021 14:21:29
I don't find the Kneeland or offer any good Ottawa loses too many parts for a peripheral player.

15 Jan 2021 17:23:19
I actually think the sens trade is fair value wise I just think that like stated in other posts that jackets would want a center back to replace Dubois, and they have a decent d core.

16 Jan 2021 08:46:25
Brown is the centre coming back, he happens to be the same age as dubois, but a fraction of the value. A 2nd is OK from Ottawa, and Sanderson is a good prospect, but would need to prove himself more. Dubois is a #1 centre. Ottawa would have to trade to much for him, as Columbus would want extra picks/ prospects, just in case 1 or 2 doesn't pan out.

Nylander is also not a peripheral player, he's a top 6 on most teams. However, if Ottawa doesn't protect that pick, it might be worth the gamble.

14 Jan 2021 19:21:39
Canes trade: mrazek, fleury, 2nd round pick 2021, 4th round pick 2021

Yotes trade: Kuemper

15 Jan 2021 20:21:55
Vegas would have to retain a lot of Fluery's salary too.

15 Jan 2021 20:23:51
oh Hayden Fleury. I saw Fleury and assumed it was Vegas' goalie.

14 Jan 2021 14:32:19
Columbus Trades
Dubois

Toronto Trades
Rielly
Mikheyev

Thoughts on why I see a fit.

Columbus deals with Dubois wanting out and getting a Top Defenceman and a good two way forward in return.

Toronto gets a 22yr old that can play LW or Centre and can see him on LW with Tavares and Nylander, plus it opens the door for Lehtonen to step into the lineup.

Thoughts ?

14 Jan 2021 15:42:55
2 years of Rielly and a 3/ 4 liner doesn't get you Dubois.

14 Jan 2021 15:45:04
Never happen. In Columbus Rielly would be (at best) number 3 behind Jones and Werenski.

Besides there's no way Columbus trades PLD without getting a first line capable center back.

14 Jan 2021 19:00:15
Columbus has two of the better dmen in the entire league, why would they need Rielly?

Toronto has two of the better centermen in the entire league, why would they need Dubois?

In terms of value, the much younger Dubois is worth more than Mo, and Mikheyev doesn't make up the difference in value. However, the trade makes zero sense for either side.

15 Jan 2021 09:30:49
The only fit I see here, is matthews and reilly, for Jones and dubois.

Clb upgrades centre, tor upgrades d.

I'm not sure this trade happens, but without trading Matthews or tavares, you're paying a huge price to put dubois on the wing.

17 Jan 2021 12:20:00
i don't know how this went through your mind.

14 Jan 2021 13:27:57
Three team trade

MTL gets:
Dubois
3rd CBJ 2021

Min gets:
Byron
Matiss Kivlenieks

CBJ gets:
Dumba
1st MTL 2021

15 Jan 2021 09:37:03
Mtl wins by lots.

Byron and a first for dubois and a3rd? Is Byron himself worth the 3rd?

Minny gets a decent goalie prospect and byron for dumba, they probably say no.

Dubois probably worth more than what both other teams give up.

Clb gives up dubois, possibly next years backup after expansion takes a goalie, and a3rd. for a first and dumba who will play 3rd line in Columbus.

17 Jan 2021 12:29:04
i agree with everything except for the goalie part

Youve got:
Anti Raanta
Marc Andre Fleury (they have jiri patera)
Phoenix Copley (they have Lundqvist after he healthy again, samsonov, and Vanecek and they signed Craig Anderson. )

Murray is outta pittsburgh so they are going to protect jarry i bet, but they wouldn't take desmith if there's raanta and fleury for a goalie platoon.

17 Jan 2021 12:29:35
and you know dumba is a dman right.

13 Jan 2021 16:46:13
Hmmm...here is thought

To Florida: Perrault

To Winnipeg: Yandle

13 Jan 2021 17:59:19
A thought, but a really bad one. Yandle fortunately won't waive for Winnipeg and the Jets aren't going to trade Perreault for a far worse cap dump.

13 Jan 2021 18:27:13
50 point Yandle, that just came off a couple of his best offensive seasons? Wouldn’t want him if it meant giving up Perrault either. Cap might be a problem for Winnipeg but can’t say it’s a cap dump.

13 Jan 2021 18:37:58
Sure you can. He's 34, plays LD, which isn't a need, is a disaster defensively and has a cap hit of $6.35 for 3 more years and his current team is trying to dump him. While Perreault's contract is done after this season. Yandle is absolutely a cap dump. Maybe the Oilers could use him. But not Winnipeg.

13 Jan 2021 18:44:35
Now if Florida was retaining and kicking in some extra sweetener, it could be a different story.

13 Jan 2021 20:31:20
The Jets don't need a 34 year old Yandle for 3 more years at a crazy $6.35 mil per. It makes more sense to keep Perreault for this year at a cap hit of $3.5 mil.

13 Jan 2021 20:44:40
Any team in the league including Edmonton could use a 50 point D. Age isn’t as much of an issue when he just came off his two best seasons offensively. Not every team would take him at his cap. Who’d he be competing with for PP time and on the depth chart in Winnipeg? He makes too much but considering there taking a cap dump back it’s not bad. Might have to retain for years 2 and 3 but then Winnipeg would be adding IMO.

13 Jan 2021 22:39:04
We have Pionk for the PP. If Yandle was even just slightly below average defensively and they retained on all 3 years maybe, but since he is non-existent defensively, he doesn't serve a purpose for Winnipeg. The Jets don't need help scoring, they need help stopping the other team from scoring.

At 34 it doesn't master that he is coming off of 2 good years, you still know that he's at the age where the wheels can suddenly fall off. Then you're stuck with a big, useless salary.

That's probably why Florida wants to dump him, they can see that the wheels are really starting to wobble now.

14 Jan 2021 04:00:22
Forgot about Pionk but I’m sure Yandle would still take most PP minutes. In one off season he went from a 50+ point guy to be healthied? got to be something else going on. And I think we can all agree that would be brutal if they ruined his iron man streak. Regardless he’d be an improvement on Perault and he’s worth more but I will agree years 2 and 3 might make it a no go from the Jets.

14 Jan 2021 14:33:58
I agree Yandle would be an improvement on Perreault but its his contract, term and age that makes it impossible for the Jets or most teams to want to acquire.

15 Jan 2021 00:13:38
Florida isn't trying to dump yandle for his play. They're just trying to save actual cash.

13 Jan 2021 14:57:39
Habs: P. L. D.

Columbus: KK, Habs 2021 2nd pick, and Caufield.

13 Jan 2021 16:03:50
caufield is amazing as a prospect and they have such a good young core, the habs won't ruin it, especially after caufield at the wjc.