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26 Jan 2021 11:01:13
To Winnipeg Jets :
LW/RW - Kevin Fiala
(2021) 2ND Round Pick
To Minnesota Wild :
RW - Blake Wheeler
Kyle Connor - Mark Schiefele - Kevin Fiala
Nikolaj Ehlers - Pierre-Luc Dubois - Mason Appleton
Andrew Copp - Paul Stastny - Mathieu Perreault
Jansen Harkins - Adam Lowry - Trevor Lewis
Josh Morrissey - Dylan Demelo
Nathan Beaulieu - Neal Pionk
Derek Forbort - Tucker Poolman
Zach Parise - Nick Bjugstad - Blake Wheeler
Mats Zuccarello - Marcus Johansson - Kirill Kaprizov
Jordan Greenway - Nick Bonino - Marcus Foligno
Joel Eriksson-Ek - Victor Rask - Ryan Hartman
Ryan Suter - Jared Spurgeon
Jonas Brodin - Matt Dumba
Ian Cole - Carson Soucy
As I was looking at Minny’s lines on daily face off I realized. holy crap their C Depth sucks lmao
1.) 26 Jan 2021 14:32:55
I think Minny would stay with the younger guy and try and find a top 6 center. Also, I don't see the Jets moving their captain, who has committed long term to the team, unless he asks to be moved.
2.) 26 Jan 2021 15:04:15
A. Wild need to rebuild their team is awful B. Jets aren’t trading their captain C. There is not a chance Kaprizov is not on 1st line he is absolutely insane as a leafs fan I’ll admit he is just as Good as Marner.
Also have you been living under a rock everyone knows Minnesota has awful centre’s.
3.) 26 Jan 2021 15:35:15
I think what Marcus told me earlier about his contract being hard to move would also come into play. as good of a player as Wheeler has been, he's getting really close to slowing down due to age. So, I don't see him moving on.
4.) 26 Jan 2021 17:17:24
If the Jets start losing and fall out of playoff contention by the trade deadline then Wheeler may be traded to a contender if he will move his NMC. I don't think the Jets will do anything until they play some games with PLD in the lineup.
5.) 26 Jan 2021 20:29:12
Wheeler has a full no trade clause but this might be the one scenario where he waives since he’s from the twin cities area. Not sure what fialas contract looks like so that will depend on whether or not this is fair value.
6.) 26 Jan 2021 20:32:45
This trade cannot work as Minnesota has no cap space remaining. Wheeler makes 8.25m for the next 4 years and fiala has one year left at 3m. Wild don’t have the cap space to take on the extra 5.25m.
25 Jan 2021 15:07:20
[ Source Finnish Publication lltalehti and Puckempire on IG ]
It was believed that Patrik Laine wanted out of Winnipeg due to mistreatment from Blake Wheeler, Mark Schiefele and Paul Maurice.
“Inside Sources”, claim that Patrik Laine was mistreated by forwards Mark Schiefele and Blake Wheeler, and that Paul Maurice was “too weak to defy them”.
“Wheeler felt his position on the right side of the no.1 chain was threatened because Laine was originally a right winger. Wheeler was also not enthusiastic that a young man from Finland would become almost as popular in Winnipeg as Teemu Selanne. Outside the rink, Wheeler and Schiefele threw sand at Laine’s skates in almost every possible way. Wheeler in particular was a master at speaking behind the backs of a Finnish young man for things he certainly did not want in.”
Thoughts ? That’s a big yikes
1.) 25 Jan 2021 16:13:24
Yeah, you have to take that one with a grain of salt. They have always exaggerated any of the reports around Laine. However, the general gist of friction between Laine, Wheeler and Schiefele are generally true.
2.) 25 Jan 2021 16:34:46
If true, which will probably never be revealed, not a good look for the top players on the jets. Wasnt too long ago that Kane got run out by the same group, though buff seemed to be at the helm of that disconnect. Wheeler and Schiefle were still there though and could've stepped in. Just sucks to see good talent leaving over issues like this if true. For a team that seems to be in tough to attract free agents, kind of alarming.
Sure, Kane may have quite the ego, as does Laine, but each team needs a good mix. Kane now seems to be really admired by his Sharks teammates as I'm sure will be the same in Columbus for Laine.
3.) 25 Jan 2021 16:49:53
I don’t think Kane is admired lol buddys is over 30 million dollars in Debt and probably spends a million on coke a year.
4.) 25 Jan 2021 17:05:10
Apparently Wheeler came out and apologized for his mistreatment of Laine. Not a good look for him at all -_-
5.) 25 Jan 2021 17:32:31
Wheeler kind of contradicted himself in his interview. He said at first, "yeah maybe I could have handled him better" and then said "well maybe I coddled him too much". Likely, he tried to support Laine, but was probably very demanding on him.
6.) 25 Jan 2021 18:44:37
As a captain Wheeler should be the person the players can go to if they are having problems with other players or how Maurice handles them. It seems that if they go to Wheeler he doesn't represent them but is a player that represents management. If this is true no wonder so many young player are wanting out of Winnipeg. The sooner Maurice is let go the better off the Jets will be.
7.) 25 Jan 2021 19:56:59
If this is true, if i was Chevy, I would have looked at moving the aging Wheeler, not the young talented future Rocket winner. Attitude Reflects Leadership.
8.) 25 Jan 2021 20:47:51
The only thing with that Sosa, is that Wheeler has already committed long term to the team and would be harder to move with his cap hit in a flat cap world.
9.) 25 Jan 2021 21:22:59
Ya. I understand ya on that Marcus.
10.) 26 Jan 2021 10:09:51
Sosa wheeler also has a full no trade clause which makes trading him even that much more difficult.
11.) 26 Jan 2021 11:42:26
I always find it funny that some random hockey fans like ourselves can make judgement on who treats who badly in NHL circles.
12.) 26 Jan 2021 15:05:16
Lol also who goes on Instagram and says wow that’s a credible source.
13.) 26 Jan 2021 15:38:05
balsam8. I know for me personally, om jus going by what I read on some sites from actual Sports reporters. but I agree with ya. , sometimes we do judge without any knowledge of what actually goes on.
23 Jan 2021 14:56:31
Laine and Roslovic to CLB for Dubois and 3rd
CONFIRMED
Islandjet and Memarcus thoughts on this... I think Winnipeg got fleeced
1.) 23 Jan 2021 15:23:05
ThE jEtS wIlL not Be TrAdInG lAiNe At This Time, lmao, I love PLD as a player but the Jets got hosed.
2.) 23 Jan 2021 15:31:22
@vertius in all seriousness though Winnipeg got fleeced. We all know Laine alone would’ve got PLD. I have no idea what Winnipeg was doing. Can’t really blame Memarcus and Islandjet honestly, that’s a horrible trade and everybody knows it. Like they acquire slightly overpaid Statsny to address their C Depth and then trade their best goal scorer for another C. And the fact that they even included Roslovic for a 3rd. I don’t think we should come down on them too hard, nobody can see into the future.
3.) 23 Jan 2021 15:35:31
If I'm a Jets fan, i'm not happy. Also, if I'm Laine , i'm really regretting my trade demand. He will not be able to play for a coach like Torts. If Columbus is planning on Torts to keep coaching, they should flip Laine immediately, for the sanity of both Laine and Torts. this is a match made in hell.
4.) 23 Jan 2021 16:39:44
I honestly think Dubois will be a great fit in Winnipeg his dad is employed by their AHL team and they’ve been looking for centre depth. Laine wasn’t utilized properly in Winnipeg being handed low minutes on the 2nd line. Keep in mind Laine wanted out and from other players POV keeping a player who wants to leave doesn’t help attract UFAs. The jets were under pressure to move him and every team knew that. Clearly they weren’t getting any good offers for him as he made it into the season. They took the best deal they can get getting a more well rounded player who plays a more valuable position. Anyone with any brain in their head knew that the jets were never going to win a Laine trade but they did better then I expected. Columbus on the other hand while on paper “won” the trade Laine will just not be a fit in their franchise I think 90% of people can see that. When star players are traded teams generally aren’t happy. I think the jets did as well as they could and I actually think their GM is one of the best in the league remember guys we all said the same thing when they traded Trouba and now look at Poink. I could see a big break out by a motivated Dubois. With that being said the Jets fans here had astonishing highly unreasonable expectations.
5.) 23 Jan 2021 16:47:46
Wow jets really overpaid on this guy. As much as I like Dubois. Laine is a player with generational talent. Columbus got a haul good for them the fans deserve it hand down. THANK GOODNESS Montreal didn’t over bud for this guy. It’s being speculated that Montreal’s offer was KK+Caufield+Byron+1st round pick. Nobody was beating the jets offer lol.
6.) 23 Jan 2021 17:04:42
So, this is a tough day for all the trolls here. All of them told us that Winnipeg would need to add a first minimum on top of Laine to get PLD. Now they find out, as Jets fans said, it would be a 1 for 1 trade at worst and Laine would only be traded for a position of need not a wing downgrade. So, lots of backpedaling by the trolls today.
Casual, we'll have to see what comes out it in the next few weeks. Maybe Laine is determined to to go to UFA in 3 years, no matter where he was traded. Plus the Jets should have a better chance of getting PLD signed long term since his Dad is a coach in Winnipeg. For Roslovic, I think they just decided to do him a solid since he didn't have a spot in Winnipeg anyways.
Overall, I think it comes down to the Jets having a chance to fill a position of need long term and have a backup for Schiefele. There would probably only be two or three suitable trades league wide, so when one becomes available, you have to consider it. So, even though the Jets gave up the more valuable player, they rounded out the team better with this trade.
While the Jets could maybe have gotten more "value" by taking a more futures based deal, this one fits short and long term needs perfectly.
I can't say I love the trade, because as a fan you always want an outright overpay. However, I can't say I hate it.
7.) 23 Jan 2021 17:33:36
So according to the trolls here, Winnipeg clearly won this deal by a landslide right? I mean all the Leaf trolls were adamant that Winnipeg would need to add a first minimum to Laine to get Dubois.
8.) 23 Jan 2021 18:08:07
And. this is why you get so much hate Marcus. Lol.
9.) 23 Jan 2021 18:08:15
I hate to see Laine leave and hope that PLD is able to solidify the Jets center position. The team that ultimately wins the trade is the one that can sign their player to a long term contract. Roslovic for a 3rd doesn't help the Jets much unless they can pick a good player in that position.
10.) 23 Jan 2021 18:10:59
I never heard anyone say laine and a first for dubois. I usually heard laine for dubois and an add.
I think this trade is closer than it appears. Laine is the better player right now anyways, but he doesn't seem to affect the win total by more than 2 a season. I know it's ridiculous, but they seem to win just as much with him as without him. I feel he's going to be more beneficial in the playoffs. Which is also true of dubois and his play style.
This trade i feel makes the jets better this year, as a condensed schedule is hard on players, and now they probably have the best centre group in the division. (When dubois gets there anyways) . Roslovic I think was clear he would sit out and hurt his own value anyways.
Columbus is better or worse depending on laine. I don't like Tortorella, but he's always fair, and if laine does what asked, he'll get top line minutes. I think it should have been a 2nd instead of a 3rd, since roslovic proved he can play in the NHL.
I think it's a good trade for both teams, and I hate it, since I'm not rooting for either team.
11.) 23 Jan 2021 18:11:46
And i'm not going to hate on ya. I like you Jets guys, ya make this site interesting. however, some on here might rip ya apart .
12.) 23 Jan 2021 18:13:02
@memarcusjoe it’s all good man. Hopefully Dubois works out great for the Jets. I honestly don’t think Laine will resign in Columbus honestly
13.) 23 Jan 2021 18:24:56
I think both teams went off well. All 3 players wanted out of their current situation and wanted trades. All involved in the same deal.
Roslovic may be a huge downgrade from Dubois but for essentially a 3rd round pick it is a good pick up for them. He wants to be there and could surprise some people in Columbus.
I feel like Laine will be a sink or swim situation in Columbus when you consider he'd have to adapt to Torts system. I believe he'll get every opportunity possible there, but if he doesn't mesh with Torts it could be disasterous and we could be talking about a Laine trade within the next year again when his contract is up for renewal.
Dubois in Winnipeg solidifies himself as the bonified number 2 center behind Shieffle and gives Jets an amazing 1-2 punch down the middle they need. Shieffle and Dubois could potentially be Jets version of Crosby/ Malkin or Matthews/ Taveres or McDavid/ Draisaitl.
14.) 23 Jan 2021 18:42:22
Yeah boys it is what it is. It seems that Chevy had no other choice. No one wanted to pay the price on laine. The jets didn’t get a bad return whatsoever. I just expected laine to get a haul in the off-season. Dubois is one hell of a player tho! Apparently laine and the jackets already discussed a contract extension @Notacasual.
15.) 23 Jan 2021 18:47:09
'As a base this should work, but Columbus would need to add something as they are giving up the least valuable player and getting the most valuable.
Barzal > Laine > Dubois. '
In response to,
‘Three way trade
Cbj: Barzal
Wpj: Dubois
Nyi: Laine’
‘Savard as a 30 year old rental wouldn't hold much value to Winnipeg, and Gavrikov as a bottom pairing LD isn't anything Winnipeg needs. Columbus would need a better add to Dubois if they want Laine and Roslovic. ’
In response to,
‘Winnipeg: Laine, Roslovic, 2nd or 3rd
columbus, Dubois, savard, Gavrikov’
I'm not here to hate, personally, I thought Dubois for Laine was going to be a likely outcome, with adds here and there, but I never got the unjustified overvaluation of Laine, which is fair, considering you're Jets fans, ofc you're going to evaluate your own player higher than the rest of us. But by constantly calling everyone who disagreed with you a 'troll' or a 'leaf hater' or whatnot, it wasn't really justified. It's true that there were some people who did say Laine would need an add to get Dubois, and low and behold, the add was Roslovic, maybe not the 1st round pick or whatnot, but an add nonetheless, on top of eating up 25% of Laine's salary, which is a good bit as well.
Laine didn't bring back the dman on a long-term deal that was alluded to, nor a centre-man on a longterm deal. It brought back another disgruntled player who is very good and very young, and will be a solid second line center behind Schief. Obviously, it's going to be too hard to get you to admit that you were evaluating high, but that's what this sites about. i just pulled out receipts cause its all in fun, y'know :)
16.) 23 Jan 2021 18:57:49
Why would that get hate Sosa? Sampson, Nylander and MoxNix all said Winnipeg would need to add a first to Laine to get Columbus to even think about it. They know they said that and they were wrong. There's no shame in that.
If a jet fan had made ludicrous, biased statements like that, imagine what we would be seeing here today.
So, after hearing for the they last month that no team would EVER trade a center for a winger, because centers>>>>wingers, we find out that they were wrong. I'm just trying to get them to look at trades without bias like Jet fans and many others here do.
17.) 23 Jan 2021 19:06:13
Casual, I kind of get the same feeling, I can't see Laine signing long term in Columbus, but I guess we'll see.
18.) 23 Jan 2021 19:29:32
So, being off by something like a 3rd round pick makes Jets fans wrong Topshelf? I don't think any true unbiased poster here ever thought Dubois was more valuable.
Why don't you go back and pull out all the offers of Laine + for Dubois, or Laine + for a bunch of nothing?
Jets fans were much closer to the actual deal when we continually said, if the Jets trade Laine it will be for a 1 for 1 quality for quality deal that mist importantly meets team needs. While most everyone else said the Jets were going to be stuck taking quantity for quality.
Obviously, it's going to be hard for you to admit that Jet fans were evaluating fairly and closer in predictions of the actual deal than non-Jet fans, but it is all just for fun. :)
19.) 23 Jan 2021 20:40:46
Top shelf: I was in the right ball park with my speculation, jets just didn't get any d-men back in the deal and instead of adding the pick they got one.
20.) 23 Jan 2021 21:12:08
Well. For 1.ya didn't have to call everyone a bunch of trolls Marcus., and for the rest, ill let ya figure that out for yourself. Lol.
21.) 23 Jan 2021 21:44:23
Winnipeg wins this trade bigtime.
Finnish GM overpays for another Finn. They're just going to lose him after this year anyhow when he demands a huge pay raise. If the arbitrator doesn't give it to him he'll sulk until Columbus gets fed up and trades him too.
22.) 23 Jan 2021 21:57:52
Sorry, if that hurts your feelings Sosa. The guys who are the trolls here, know who we're taking about and know that those comments apply to them. The guys who were being unbiased know the comments aren't directed at them.
All I was pointing out is that for the last month, we've been hearing on here how there is no chance Columbus would trade Dubois for Laine from many posters, because Columbus would be losing the deal badly on value. Now that the deal is made, those same posters are coming out and saying how badly the Jets lost the deal, because Laine is so much more valuable. I'm just wondering what their explanation is for this sudden turnaround.
23.) 23 Jan 2021 21:59:32
@memarcus the only trolls around here are you and jet. All you do is talk rubbish, call names, misquote and outright lie about others have said before.
24.) 23 Jan 2021 22:28:37
Lol. MoxNix, the guy who has been called out at least twice by neutral posters for deliberatly misquoting people so that he can argue against that, is complaining. That's rich. A true troll move.
25.) 23 Jan 2021 22:58:07
Lol. Thanks Marcus. my feeling isn't very sore.
However, can you honestly say your happy with the return for Laine? Wouldn't you have preferred a possible top pairing Dman? PLD is a good player, hopefully he left his attitude in Columbus, but he's good, just I think Jets made a mistake on this. Maybe I'm biased towards Laine, cause I see so much potential there. jus seems like a shame the Jets lost him.
26.) 23 Jan 2021 23:34:03
I never once said jets would need to add a 1st to Laine to get Dubois. I haven’t even posted on here since all the Dubois for Laine talk came up. I did say I’d prefer Dubois over either Barzal or Laine in a 3way trade though.
I just laughed when you said Philly would need to add to Konecny, Myers, frost, 1st etc. To only get Laine.
They have posted above where you say jackets would need to add a lot better asset than gavrikov And Savard to Dubois if they wanted Laine and Roslovic. In reality they gave less than that. It’s okay for a GM to let down a fan base and not get the return you assumed, that’s not your fault. Don’t know why you take it so personally like someone saying Chevy didn’t get enough is an attack on you.
Dubois is a sick player and hopefully the Jets can convince him to stay. I’m not convinced him or Laine will be on their new teams past next season, but hopefully it works out all around.
27.) 24 Jan 2021 00:06:49
MoxNix. did you have a different user name on here before? Just curious.
28.) 24 Jan 2021 02:58:20
As much as some of y’all don’t want to admit it, Memarcus kinda has a point.
29.) 24 Jan 2021 04:05:44
Sosa, as I said on the NHK Talk page, I don't love the trade, but I don't hate it. Top 4RHD is a need, but so is a young, long term 2C that could possibly take over 1C as Schiefele ages out. So, to me either would be good. If a trade wasn't there for a defenseman then you work with what is there. Had Dubois not become available, the Jets likely wouldn't have traded Laine this year.
Sampson, if that is true, then I apologize as it must have been others that said that. On the other hand, no Jet fan here has said that Philly would need to add to a Konecny, Frost, Myers and a 1st offer as that has never been proposed here. What I have done is said no to a Konecny, Myers and 2nd offer and other similar offers based on team need, not value. As I said at that time, a wing downgrade and a guy who hasn't proven yet that he is a top 4RHD, isn't what Winnipeg needs as main pieces in return for Laine.
Same with the offers of Gavrikov and Savard. Bottom pairing defenseman and rentals are just a waste of cap space for Winnipeg, so they aren't a needed part of the return and don't add much value for Winnipeg.
Trading Roslovic for the 3rd today is likely just giving him a chance to play elsewhere, so I can live with that. As you said, we don't know what our GM'S think, or the entire situation, so as fans it is hard to understand sometimes. We always expect that every trade will be for the exact fair value, but in reality it just doesn't happen often.
30.) 24 Jan 2021 13:18:39
1.755 Winnipeg eats and his in cap hell
Hellboy shoulda asked for Price money cause if jets make playoffs he is league mvp
Dubois is a top 5 2C in nhl but laine is a top 5 pure sniper in nhl
Give laine a capable pass first center that makes him hungry you get 50 goals
You give him nothing and unhappy bets almost 30 in his damn sleep. 1 rubbish that’s all it takes
You give Dubois a scorer (Atkinson) and stud (panarin) on his wing he will get you 30g and be a point a game guy. Take away that stud and it drops to 25g 70 points tops if he stays motivated. Now take away that sniper and replace him with another passer in Ehlers and no motivation and pure disappointment follows
At least laine not giving 2 hoots and playing with nothing still produces goals almost as well as Dubois with a stud and sniper on his wing
Dubois has shown without panarin the points dropped. Without Atkinson who knows to what level that dropping becomes
Ehlers roslovic heinola vesalainen probably got this deal done and now laine and Dubois together hit their full potential
This deal keeps both players struggling to remain happy or motivated to make it affect either team
Horrible all around deal.
31.) 24 Jan 2021 13:19:24
Forgot to mention
Roslivic is from Columbus keeping him happy won’t be tough.
32.) 24 Jan 2021 15:14:29
@sosahabs24
No I've only ever had this name here. That's just marcus doing what he always does making things up.
33.) 24 Jan 2021 15:32:07
At any rate while I don't think I ever said it'd take Laine + 1st for Dubois I very well could have.
No matter how Marcus tries to spin it after the fact, Columbus got Laine + Roslovic (a first round pick right there) and a 3rd round pick.
That's after Marcus and Jet kept insisting it would take a lot more than Dubois to get Laine, that Laine would not be traded this year / at this time, etc., etc.
34.) 24 Jan 2021 18:48:17
Typo, the 3rd round pick went to Winnipeg not Columbus. Correcting that before the troll blows it up into something else.
35.) 24 Jan 2021 18:53:26
I have to give props to Marcus for putting on a such a brave face and trying to keep his usual arrogant persona going. I mean, it wasn't Konecny, Myers, Frost and a first for Laine, but they got Dubois at least, right? Oh, and they lost Roslovic (a former first round pick) essentially for a third hahahaha
I'm so thankful knowing that I can always come back here and rely on the clownish Jet duo of Marcus and Island for some good laughs. Never change guys.
20 Jan 2021 10:10:20
Would any of you on this site take this package if offered from a CLB perspective.
- Tortorella loves two-way forwards
- Columbus is lacking Defensemen
- Dubois wants out, as confirmed by Torts
To CGY :
C - Pierre-Luc Dubois
To CLB :
C - Mikael Backlund
LD - Juuso Valimaki
(2021) 1ST-Round Pick
(2022) 3RD-Round Pick
I wouldn’t do it from a CGY perspective given Valimaki’s potential, Backlund is our best two way forward and is probably our best penalty killer. I really wanna hear MoxNix’s feedback honestly cause I get the impression that he’s a fan of the Flames? I read multiple sources on Instagram that Columbus would most likely ask for Backlund, Mangiapane and 1ST. (Our 2 best defensive forwards) Valimaki is regarded as “untouchable” which correlates with their willingness to move Noah Hanifin.
1.) 20 Jan 2021 13:32:54
I would think Backlund's age alone would make it a no from Columbus.
2.) 20 Jan 2021 14:33:11
If you wouldn’t do that from a Calgary POV then you clearly don’t know how good PLD is. I’d say him and Tavares are close to equal. PLD for Mathew Tkachuk. Centres>>Wingers so not sure if Columbus does that also don’t think Calgary does that.
3.) 20 Jan 2021 15:39:01
Easier said than done but I feel like Columbus wants more of a one for one swap vs quantity. Maybe like Jost and Girard?
Nylander you think Columbus passes on Tkachuk?
4.) 20 Jan 2021 16:23:35
@casual No way the Flames trade Tkachuk, Andersson, Valimaki or Lindholm. Probably not Gaudreau either though I really wish they would. Not likely Dube or Mangiapane would be included as adds either.
Columbus almost certainly wants a center coming back in any package for PLD, most likely Monahan.
As I've said before Backlund would fit Tortorella's system better but the age disparity makes it tough to do. It would likely take more adds than Calgary wants to or can afford to give up. Then again Columbus really likes Bennett, they might be ok with Backlund + Bennett + a pick or prospect. I really don't like the idea of trading Bennett but with the expansion draft coming it might make sense for the Flames too. Mangiapane just might be possible in a package centered around Backlund too.
I see something more like Monahan + Kylington + a 1st more likely. Or maybe Monahan, Hanifin and a 2nd.
If I had my druthers it'd be Gaudreau + Kylington and a conditional pick (1st or 2nd) . I doubt Tortorella would want Gaudreau though.
5.) 20 Jan 2021 19:37:25
Yeah maybe because they don’t have a C replacement. It’d put them in a very similar but better situation as Minnesota is in. I really only see a few fits and honestly Montreal is probably the best followed by the Rangers.
6.) 20 Jan 2021 19:52:12
Calgary shouldn't sell low on gadreau. They want to give lindholm a fair shot at centre, so having dubois, lindholm, backlund and monahan at centre while losing gadreau isn't ideal.
Monahan to me is a 1st line centre. sometimes. With torts' system, he'll learn better 2 way play, and how to be effective with normal skating. He'd turn into a 1c there. (Still no pld though) .
Gadreau would be like torts getting laine. A 4th line penalty killer. I don't like Tortorella, mostly his behavior, but he wins and makes players play 2way. Star offensive wingers won't stay. (Plus Calgary should tell monny they'll pick him up in f/ a when he hits. )
Monahan, zary, wolf, and kylington or plug defender for dubois.
7.) 20 Jan 2021 20:39:59
I'd move Monahan to LW with Dubois at center.
8.) 21 Jan 2021 03:19:27
I know monahan can score, I'm just not sure he's a better winner than centre.
With dubois, gadreau would have less pressure to do everything. Gadreau is usually making a beauty play or lost the puck by the time his linemates are ready for the pass. Most opponents just double team him, and the whole line doesn't produce.
9.) 21 Jan 2021 17:04:11
I think Monahan's playstyle is better suited to playing on the wing. He's most dangerous and scores most of his goals from the low slot and circle on the the left side. Where a good LW scores from.
Additionally he's more of a shooter than a playmaker and he's not exactly known as a strong defensive player either. Guys like that generally make better wingers than centers. Granted playing with Gaudreau he's not expected to be a big time playmaker.
13 Jan 2021 13:45:41
To Arizona Coyotes :
- C Auston Matthews
- LD Travis Dermott
To Toronto Maple Leafs :
- LD Jakob Chychrun
- C Christian Dvorak
- (2022) 1ST-Round Pick
- C John Farinacci
Z Hyman - J Tavares - W Nylander
J Vesey - C Dvorak - M Marner
I Mikheyev - J Thornton - A Kerfoot
A Barabanov - J Spezza - W Simmonds
M Rielly - T Brodie
J Muzzin - J Chychrun
M Lehtonen - J Holl
C Keller - A Matthews - P Kessel
B Hayton - N Schmaltz - C Garland
L Crouse - D Brassard - D Cagguila
T Pitlick - J Larsson - C Fischer
O Ekman-Larsson - J Demers
A Goligoski - N Hjalmarsson
T Dermott - J Oesterle
( Chychrun has experience playing on the right side so don’t roast me about the mock lineup )
1.) 13 Jan 2021 14:02:42
I think you would need to add more than that from Arizona. Dvorak isn't anything special. Hayton with Chychrun and the 1st as well as something else of significance.
Don't see him being traded until his contract is getting near the end.
2.) 13 Jan 2021 14:29:54
The leafs are trying to win a cup and this makes them a worse team.
NotACasual's talk posts with other poster's replies to NotACasual's talk posts
27 Jan 2021 13:02:45
Johnny Gaudreau and Jacob Markstrom have been carrying the Flames every game.
27 Jan 2021 13:01:31
Small Rant (Flames) Another year of disappointment
1. Ward needs to go, he is not Head Coach material (solid assistant but not head coach)
2. Ward plays Lucic way too much
3. Joakim Nordstrom is god awful
4. Treliving needs to acquire some pieces NOW instead of adding little by little each season, it’s like he thinks our team doesn’t age or something ! I know champions/contenders aren’t made overnight but the way it’s looking, we look like non-playoff team/first round exit
5. Treliving needs to push for a Top 6 F (preferably a RW)
Nordstrom > OUT
Leivo > OUT
Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Monahan - Backlund - ?
Mangiapane - Dube - Simon
Lucic - Ryan - Bennett
27 Jan 2021 12:53:41
Man the Jets are doing so good. Just imagine once PLD enters the lineup. Everybody knows how bad their defence core is but it isn’t actually looking to bad? Maybe the coaching style? Imagine if they had legit Top 4 defensemen on pair 1 with Morrissey and pair 2 with Pionk :o
25 Jan 2021 15:09:21
[ Source Finnish Publication lltalehti and Puckempire on IG ]
It was believed that Patrik Laine wanted out of Winnipeg due to mistreatment from Blake Wheeler, Mark Schiefele and Paul Maurice.
“Inside Sources”, claim that Patrik Laine was mistreated by forwards Mark Schiefele and Blake Wheeler, and that Paul Maurice was “too weak to defy them”.
“Wheeler felt his position on the right side of the no.1 chain was threatened because Laine was originally a right winger. Wheeler was also not enthusiastic that a young man from Finland would become almost as popular in Winnipeg as Teemu Selanne. Outside the rink, Wheeler and Schiefele threw sand at Laine’s skates in almost every possible way. Wheeler in particular was a master at speaking behind the backs of a Finnish young man for things he certainly did not want in.”
Thoughts ? Not a good look for Wheeler at all
1.) 25 Jan 2021 18:49:26
If this is true its time the Jets get a new coach.
23 Jan 2021 15:46:36
Kyle Connor - Mark Schiefele - Blake Wheeler
Nikolaj Ehlers - Pierre-Luc Dubois - Mathieu Perreault
Jansen Harkins - Paul Stastny - Andrew Copp
Trevor Lewis - Adam Lowry - Mason Appleton
Josh Morrissey - Dylan Demelo
Nathan Beaulieu - Neal Pionk
Derek Forbort - Tucker Poolman
Gustav Nyquist - Max Domi - Cam Atkinson
Patrik Laine - Alexandre Texier - Oliver Bjorkstrand
Boone Jenner - Jack Roslovic - Nick Foligno
Mikhail Grigorenko - Mikko Koivu - Kevin Stenlund
Zach Werenski - Seth Jones
Vladislav Gavrikov - David Savard
Michael Del Zotto - Dean Kukan
I think both teams look solid af
1.) 23 Jan 2021 17:40:22
I actually like the lineup and this should make it better for the Jets to ease Perfetti into the lineup in the future. Since now he can come in as a winger instead of being thrown in as a center.
2.) 23 Jan 2021 18:05:03
Columbus' center depth looks a bit weak though and I don't think they'll be playing Laine on the second line.
3.) 23 Jan 2021 18:15:39
I really like the Jets lineup and yeah Perfetti as a winger would be perfect. And he’d have a really good centermen. I think Laine will be LW on Columbus’ top line. I just did a rough lineup for them cause I don’t know what their lines usually look like. Probably going to see
Laine - Domi - Atkinson
Nyquist - Texier - Bjorkstrand
Or something
4.) 23 Jan 2021 18:36:58
I got ya. I wonder if they will play Laine on the left side. He always said he preferred left side, I just don't know what Tortorella would do.
5.) 23 Jan 2021 22:14:44
I would prefer that Vesalainen or Perfetti play on the second line instead of Perreault.
6.) 24 Jan 2021 00:05:02
Domi and Laine could be a good duo.
( may cause Torts a stroke) . can't wait for some of his future press conferences lol.
7.) 24 Jan 2021 04:11:50
Sosa, most of the Laine stuff like that is made up by posters that have never watched Laine play. Laine plays his butt off every shift, I don't see that causing any problems with Tortorella.
8.) 24 Jan 2021 08:33:31
I've watched Laine play Marcus. one game he looks amazing, and can be a threat to score every time he touches the puck, and back checks. then some games and moments, he looks like he wants to be anywhere but on the ice. I hope all the best for Laine, and I think he has developed into a better 2 way guy each season, he just needs to be more consistent. IMO he has the tools to be a top 5 winger in the game. maybe even the best one.
9.) 24 Jan 2021 16:18:04
Sosa, every single player in the game has shifts where they don't look engaged, so I don't read too much into that. Laine's best traits are that he wants to be the best player on the ice and hates to lose. I've seen Laine try and make mistakes defensively, but rarely do you see him on the ice and not trying, which is a big difference.
But, he's not a Jet anymore, so I guess I should stop defending him and let people hate on him if they want. Not that you are doing that Sosa. :)
27 Jan 2021 12:51:14
@jandersonBPF not only is he offensive but he’s also very good defensively and is very hard working. He throws hits too, he’s like a smaller, less douchier Tkachuk. He’s a incredible leader and is captain material for sure
27 Jan 2021 11:11:35
No from Calgary. No way you’re getting Pelletier
26 Jan 2021 22:05:05
Idk about you but those all heavily favour the Oilers, why would Vegas do that when they’re already tight on cap and why does Buffalo wanna take back more salary when they are also strapped.
25 Jan 2021 17:05:10
Apparently Wheeler came out and apologized for his mistreatment of Laine. Not a good look for him at all -_-
25 Jan 2021 07:19:30
“Leafs got to add another fwd” *trades a forward* lmao