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31 Mar 2024 07:58:14
ANA - Trevor Zegras
CLB - Kent Johnson, David Jiricek and 2026 1st
Frank Vatrano - Leo Carlsson - Troy Terry
Kent Johnson - Mason McTavish - Ryan Strome
Alex Killorn - Isac Lundestrom - Max Jones
Brock McGinn - Benoit Groulx - Jakob Silfverberg
Cam Fowler - Radko Gudas
Pavel Mintyukov - David Jiricek
Olen Zellweger - Jackson LaCombe
Johnny Gaudreau - Trevor Zegras - Patrik Laine
Boone Jenner - Adam Fantilli - Kirill Marchenko
Yegor Chinakhov - Cole Sillinger - Alex Nylander
Dmitri Voronkov - Sean Kuraly - Alexandre Texier
Zach Werenski - Damon Severson
Ivan Provorov - Adam Boqvist
Jake Bean - Erik Gudbranson
1.) 31 Mar 2024 14:16:21
Way to much for Zegras. Wouldn't even do it without the pick.
2.) 31 Mar 2024 21:52:56
@Quiet Guy big name that can play centre, I think jackets would be all over that
3.) 01 Apr 2024 22:24:42
I’d much, much rather have Kent Johnson then Zegras and I’d much rather have Jiricek then Johnson so wow.
Zegras might be the most overrated player in the game at this point.
4.) 03 Apr 2024 02:10:03
Wow, this is a huge overpayment.
I bet in 15 years we say Kent Johnson was the better player.
5.) 03 Apr 2024 22:36:39
I tend to agree with the others that it's a bit steep for Zegras, but Verbeek is a tough negotiator, and will likely command some kind of ransom if he moves Zegras.
Crazy things can happen at the draft, and this year's draft pool gets shallow quick. I expect a lot of picks will be traded.
6.) 04 Apr 2024 14:03:42
I don’t think Zegras brings back a top 10 pick this draft. You say he can play centre but Nylander has more FOW in one season than Zegras does his whole career. He is a 1 dimensional offensive LW in my eyes and I’d prefer a player like Konechny or Necas long term over him.
7.) 04 Apr 2024 15:52:02
Yah Zegras is overrated IMO. He's not responsible defensively at all and his offense doesn't make up for his lack of defense. He gives you a highlight real goal or play a year and returns to being mediocre.
I'm sure someone will look to add with the hopes his offensive output improves, but it shouldn't be for a top 10 pick by any means.
07 Mar 2024 05:01:47
a little disappointed with the Hanifin return but the flames were handcuffed from Hanifin and his agent. I thought it would be much worse once i heard Tampa.
Hanifin for Conditional 1st, Conditional 3rd (basically a 2nd, lets be real) and Miromanov
Chychrun for Conditional 1st, 2nd and 2nd
Hronek for Conditional 1st and 2nd
pretty solid considering Chychrun and Hronek both had term and good AAV while Hanifin is a UFA.
1.) 07 Mar 2024 16:28:58
Yeah it's tough when your GM is handcuffed. Overall though, you had his services for a couple years and recouped some assets for a player that wanted out, all considered, Calgary did alright.
2.) 07 Mar 2024 16:41:31
@memarcusjoe yeah, Hanifin is definitely getting boos when they play against Vegas on the 14th. nobody likes what him and his agent was doing to Conroy. American players have become such a headache for the Flames. Hopefully they won’t have to worry when the new arena is finished and the retool is complete.
3.) 07 Mar 2024 19:47:38
Those 1sts in Chychrun and Hronek deals are both a lot higher then Vegas pick.
4.) 07 Mar 2024 20:39:58
That's true @Vbb but Hanifin is a UFA who got to pick his destination because his snake of an agent and he's older than when Chychrun and Hronek were traded.
I hope VGK uses the 2025 1st because the 2026 1st will be unprotected. So realistically if they trade that 2025 1st the Flames got an unprotected 2026 1st, 2025 2nd (if VGK wins a round) and Miromanov for a UFA that got to pick his destination. I don't think it was gonna get any better than that, Tampa was gonna fleece them so hard. It's a real shame Hanifin pulled this on the Flames but their ownership deserves it, they've got to be the worst owners in the league. They Conroy back out of the Markstrom deal when realistically we ain't making the playoffs, he's gonna get lit up behind this atrocious defense and his value will never be higher. NJ is willing to take his full salary and won't ask Conroy to take a contract, rumoured to be offering Holtz, 1st and 2nd. Flames will be mediocre forever if this ownership doesn't let Conroy do his job, sorry for the rant.
5.) 07 Mar 2024 21:58:05
CASUAL: I hear you, but when Hanifin kneecaps the GM like he did, it is bound to affect the return.
It could have been worse though, Tampa didn’t have much in assets to trade, so at least there’s that?.
6.) 07 Mar 2024 23:09:22
@Chickenfoot Yeah heard Flames went back to Tampa to tell them their offer from Vegas and Tampa panicked trying to up their offer but it was too late. Vegas basically asked the Flames what they wanted and offered up something similar. Glad they stepped in or Tampa would’ve taken advantage of a lose-lose situation for Calgary.
7.) 08 Mar 2024 02:08:07
CASUAL: absolutely Tampa would have taken advantage, and you have to admire Vegas’ absolute determination to win at any cost. I was impressed mostly by how Conroy and his team have handled their first deadline.
As usual, so many teams improved themselves SO much. It’s going to make for some great playoffs, and of course, some VERY disappointed fanbases when some very good teams are out in the first round.
8.) 09 Mar 2024 03:11:17
I don’t think his value was affected as much as you say. Yes he was being picky about where he was willing to resign which anyone would be but to my knowledge he had no trade protection so he could’ve went anywheres. He was traded as a rental because he is a rental.
9.) 09 Mar 2024 11:20:21
He had a modified NTC where he had an 8 team list of where he wouldn't go. Idk if Conroy allowed for communication to happen in regards to an extension with any team he was potentially going to then it definitely opened up the window for Hanafin to say: "I'm not signing an extension here. " I think he resigns with Vegas. Vegas will dump a contract for cheap like they did with Smith and be on their way.
21 Feb 2024 11:22:39
WSH - Martin Fehervary, Nic Dowd & 2024 4th
TOR - 2024 1st
DAL - Jani Hakanpaa, Radek Faksa & 2024 7th
TOR - Tyler Bertuzzi
Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Max Domi - John Tavares - William Nylander
Bobby McMann - Radek Faksa - Calle Jarnkrok
Nic Dowd - David Kampf - Nicholas Robertson / Ryan Reaves
Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Martin Fehervary - Jake McCabe
Simon Benoit - Jani Hakanpaa / Timothy Liljegren
Ilya Samsonov
Joseph Woll
1.) 21 Feb 2024 13:14:02
I actually like those but I don’t think Washington moves Fehravary.
2.) 21 Feb 2024 14:31:22
- WSH & DAL decline.
- Dowd left with an upper body injury last night, but if he's healthy he'll definitely be sought after, and teams like the Rangers will definitely overpay to get him. If he's healthy I expect to see him on Broadway.
20 Feb 2024 13:26:15
NSH - Juuse Saros and Yakov Trenin
CAR - Martin Necas, Pyotr Kochetkov and 2024 1st
“The Juuse Saros trade situation could be more serious than believed and he could actually be moved.”
(via Michael Gallagher)
“The Hurricanes, Kings and Devils have been linked to Juuse Saros ahead of the deadline.”
(via Michael Gallagher)
“Martin Necas may be a player that the Nashville Predators are interested in.”
(via Elliotte Friedman)
1.) 21 Feb 2024 13:15:55
I like the idea but I think it’s to much from Carolina think you could drop the 1st. Goalies aren’t worth much in trade.
2.) 21 Feb 2024 14:33:10
I could see something like this happening. Saros will draw a healthy return if Trotz pulls the trigger on a trade, and CAR is reportedly in the mix for him.
19 Feb 2024 13:33:56
MIN - Jake Middleton, Patrick Maroon and 2024 2nd
TOR - Tyler Bertuzzi
Minnesota acquires Bertuzzi in hopes of resigning him long-term. Leafs grab a decent defensemen, winning veteran bottom 6 forward, a draft pick and frees up 2.25M in cap space for more potential moves.
Middleton - 2.45M @ 2 UFA
Maroon - 800K @ 1 UFA
Bertuzzi - 5.5M @ 1 UFA
Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Max Domi - John Tavares - William Nylander
Bobby McMann - Calle Jarnkrok - Nicholas Robertson
Ryan Reaves - David Kampf - Patrick Maroon
Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Jake Middleton - Jake McCabe
Simon Benoit - Timothy Liljegren
Ilya Samsonov
Joseph Woll
Just wanted to post something new
1.) 19 Feb 2024 14:27:40
Seems fair but I don't think Bertuzzi will waive for a non contending team.
2.) 19 Feb 2024 14:44:44
So the leafs get:
- the best player in the trade (Middleton), who is under contract for the coming year at a very reasonable cap hit. (A D-man with almost identical offensive stats as Bert. )
- 2.25M in cap relief…which is absolutely huge.
- a proven winner in Maroon who would be an instant heart transplant for the leafs at playoff time.
- on top of all this, they get a 2nd too?
MIN gets:
- a head case they could sign as a UFA next season if they really wanted him. (And they won’t because they won’t be able to afford him with their crushing buyout penalties. )
- less depth for a team only 4 points out of a wild card?
I can’t imagine any scenario where Billy G would consider such a move. There’s absolutely no reason for him to do this to his team.
3.) 19 Feb 2024 15:11:10
Maroon is out 4-6 weeks just sayin ;)
4.) 20 Feb 2024 02:04:54
I think you're right, just throwing new trade ideas out instead of posting the same old stuff @chickenfoot.
5.) 20 Feb 2024 16:10:07
Would love to acquire a guy like Middleton. He would round out the defense without breaking the bank in terms of cap hit. I'd imagine to get him though you're looking at parting with a 1st, 2nd, and one of Minten or Cowen, plus a player to make the cap work (Kampf) . Big price, but got to pay to play.
I know Bert personally (grew up playing hockey against him and with him on occasion) and he really isn't a headcase just to make that known. He had a good stint with Boston and got paid. I'm sure we all would take advantage of a nice pay increase if it allowed. As for his performance I couldn't tell yah why it hasn't seemed to click or work in Toronto. If the Leafs trade him to a playoff team I would imagine he would waive, but maybe not seeing as his family just welcomed a new addition and likely doesn't want to be relocating. Hopefully it turns around for him though and we get some production down the stretch and into the playoffs from him.
6.) 20 Feb 2024 18:30:18
Bertuzzi let his team down when he remained the last anti-vax holdout in the NHL. He let his team mates down by missing all Canadian games when his team was in the hunt for a playoff position, and this hurt his trade value as well.
He has the tools to be great, but not the mindset. He scored 30 two years ago, followed by 2 years in single digits. He's on his 3rd team in two years, and the leafs only signed him for one year on a "prove it deal". Call it "mindset" if you prefer, but clearly he leaves his potential unfulfilled for a variety of reasons, and this year did nothing to improve his UFA salary negotiations.
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29 Feb 2024 08:29:26
Chris Tanev for Artem Grushnikov, 2024 2nd & Conditional 2026 3rd
Sean Monahan for 2024 1st & Conditional 2027 3rd
Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Joni Jurmo, Hunter Brzustewicz, 2024 1st & Conditional 2024 4th
What do we think Noah Hanifin returns for the Flames? I’m thinking a 1st + prospect + roster player for rental, more if he comes with an extension.
29 Feb 2024 08:24:00
Flames basically got two 2nds and a 3rd for Tanev, you’re telling me Treliving couldn’t do better than that? It was rumoured that they were asking for a single 1st, why wouldn’t he pay that considering Tanev lives in Toronto in the off-season so there’s no doubt he’d resign, you’re getting him 75% retained and he improves your defence drastically for the playoffs. Flames fans know have seen this from Treliving for years “runner up” constantly lol.
Not a bad return but also not as good as everyone anticipated, I’m pretty sure it was VB who was pretty spot on about his value.
1.) 01 Mar 2024 00:41:36
Isn’t the condition on if Dallas wins the cup? I’d say it’s closer to a 2nd and 3rd as a return.
01 Feb 2024 01:13:11
what a haul for Lindholm
1.) 01 Feb 2024 13:37:34
I thought other teams could have used him more, but definitely not offering that much for him.
08 Jan 2024 14:09:45
Auston Matthews - $13.25 @ 4 UFA
William Nylander - $11.50 @ 8 UFA
John Tavares - $11.00 @ 2 UFA
Mitch Marner - $10.90 @ 2 UFA
yikes dude, this team will never win a cup with contracts like that.
1.) 09 Jan 2024 02:26:29
Tavares will sign a league Minimum 700k deal then they will be fine.
2.) 10 Jan 2024 15:10:23
Tavares could sign a Giroux / Pavelski deal easily. So he’s gonna leave 20M off the table?
3.) 12 Jan 2024 01:44:09
Nylander might end up being similar to the Nurse contract.
4.) 02 Mar 2024 17:45:02
After Tavares and Marner contracts are up I suspect Marner gets in the $12mill range and Tavares is let go unless he take a nice Jason Spezza like deal.
5.) 13 Mar 2024 00:22:16
The exact opposite will happen @mg69.
01 Dec 2023 01:10:53
Canucks fans are just torching the flames page rn lmaoo absolutely fleeced, apparently all the teams wanted the Flames to retain salary except the Canucks so Conroy took that deal.
1.) 01 Dec 2023 01:40:26
Can’t wait for the Flames to only get a 2nd and abruzzese for Tanev (50% Retained)
2.) 01 Dec 2023 13:46:20
Dude go google what pending UFAs normally get.
3.) 01 Dec 2023 16:33:39
@VBB I get that but he’s only 28 and went to a division rival. just odd
4.) 01 Dec 2023 22:36:33
@VBB Darren Dreger mentioned that the teams around the league even thought the return was a little light which is a huge yikes for Conroy.
5.) 02 Dec 2023 01:49:03
Zadarov is not good man. Tanev will get a 2nd and a 3rd and Hanfin will get a 1st.
15 Apr 2024 20:53:20
Too much for McCabe, also McCabe didn’t like the idea of playing in Canada before being traded to Toronto so he probably wouldn’t play in Ottawa.
05 Apr 2024 08:21:21
Very unrealistic
31 Mar 2024 21:52:56
@Quiet Guy big name that can play centre, I think jackets would be all over that
07 Mar 2024 23:09:22
@Chickenfoot Yeah heard Flames went back to Tampa to tell them their offer from Vegas and Tampa panicked trying to up their offer but it was too late. Vegas basically asked the Flames what they wanted and offered up something similar. Glad they stepped in or Tampa would’ve taken advantage of a lose-lose situation for Calgary.
07 Mar 2024 20:39:58
That's true @Vbb but Hanifin is a UFA who got to pick his destination because his snake of an agent and he's older than when Chychrun and Hronek were traded.
I hope VGK uses the 2025 1st because the 2026 1st will be unprotected. So realistically if they trade that 2025 1st the Flames got an unprotected 2026 1st, 2025 2nd (if VGK wins a round) and Miromanov for a UFA that got to pick his destination. I don't think it was gonna get any better than that, Tampa was gonna fleece them so hard. It's a real shame Hanifin pulled this on the Flames but their ownership deserves it, they've got to be the worst owners in the league. They Conroy back out of the Markstrom deal when realistically we ain't making the playoffs, he's gonna get lit up behind this atrocious defense and his value will never be higher. NJ is willing to take his full salary and won't ask Conroy to take a contract, rumoured to be offering Holtz, 1st and 2nd. Flames will be mediocre forever if this ownership doesn't let Conroy do his job, sorry for the rant.
01 Dec 2023 22:36:33
@VBB Darren Dreger mentioned that the teams around the league even thought the return was a little light which is a huge yikes for Conroy.
01 Dec 2023 16:33:39
@VBB I get that but he’s only 28 and went to a division rival. just odd
01 Dec 2023 01:40:26
Can’t wait for the Flames to only get a 2nd and abruzzese for Tanev (50% Retained)
30 Jun 2023 23:15:47
@vbb newsflash insiders are saying the market is terrible for forwards right now if you keep up with hockey news, it seems like you only just flap your gums on this site. A 73pt Sniper with a low cap hit definitely should've gotten more, same with Reilly Smith.
28 Jun 2023 00:35:07
Lol yeah happy for them