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22 Apr 2024 23:14:33
Three way trade

Habs- Anderson-strubble-1st pick wpg 2024

Nsh- Saros

LA - Clarke-dubois-kaliev- 1st pick 2024 LA

Mtl-dubois

LA- Saros-strubble

Nsh- anderson-clarke-kaliev- 1 st pick of LA and WPg

Nsh- get good pieces for Saros and give the net too askarov

LA part ways with Dubois , give them cap relief and the goaltender they needs and a physical LHD to play with spence

Habs take a chance on Dubois , give him a chance too bounce back with Kirby Dach. Big and talented ,kinda player we need. Pretty sure st Louis and Lecavalier could put him on the right track. By dumping Anderson , and 2 expendable pièce

Habs resign Monahan
3years 16M

LA resign Saros 7 x 9 M

Habs top 6

Monahan-suzuki-slaf
Caufield-dubois-dach

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23 Apr 2024 02:07:54
There's not enough there to dump Anderson.

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20 Apr 2024 19:04:12
Chicago Trades
SJones*

Toronto Trades
Kampf**
Liljegren
Akhtyomov (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2026

*Chicago retains 2.5 million of SJones remaining contract (6yrs)

**Kampf will have to waive his NMC if Chicago isn't on his list.

Rebuilding Teams like Chicago make off season trades like this for their future, Leafs did it with Phil Kessel and Chicago is in the same place as The Leafs were minus Connor Bedard.

What will The Leafs need starting next season ?
A Defenceman just like SJones imo.

Thoughts ?

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21 Apr 2024 12:38:11
Even with the retention I wouldn't feel comfortable paying Jones $7mill for the remainder of his contract when in reality he's not pushing us over the top.

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22 Apr 2024 01:40:56
Jones is exactly what the leafs need. At 7.5 he has value. Marner will most likely need to move if this goes through.

Pinball everyone craps on you, but at least your making an attempt at keeping this site alive.

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22 Apr 2024 13:29:34
It would be $7mill. And maybe he would if his contract didn't take him to 35. It's alright value for maybe another few years and that's assuming Jones starts to play better cause as it stands right now there are quite a few dman that are better than him overall. But after that we would be stuck with a $7mill anchor of a contract with no way out of it except for trading away draft picks like we had to do with Marleau and Mrazek in recent memory. So again, I'm good leaving that contract alone. And again I will say 2025 offseason is where the Leafs need to make the aggressive moves. Tavares contract is up and whether we move on from Marner or sign him is yet to be seen, but that Tavares contract being off the books opens up the door to fill out the roster with solid dmen, solid 2nd line down to the 4th line players, and with any sort of luck a true #1 goalie.

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11 Apr 2024 02:25:53
Detroit trades
Lyon

Toronto trades
Woll
3rd round pick.

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12 Apr 2024 13:39:22
not a huge fan of either, but not sure why it wouldn't be a one for one, why add pick.

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13 Apr 2024 13:00:33
One's proven himself over the last 2 years, including 20 wins this year on a middling team. the other is a bit young and has only 35 career games under his belt with a top end team. I haven't seen anything out of woll that suggests he's ready to be a number 1, so the leafs have the option of either throwing him in the net anyway and "calling him" a number 1 or make a move like this. the reason for an added pick was because I feel this trade helps the leafs in the short-term, but doesn't really fit the team needs of the redwings. Detroit has husso locked in, but also have a couple goalie prospects that are coming along nicely. lyon played in 43 games so far this year, if he can come anywhere close to a repeat next year at 900k this would be a steal for any team.

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14 Apr 2024 02:27:21
Unaware of whether Lyon is signed past this year. But based on his play he's likely getting a raise. Woll was showing every sign a franchise would want for a guy who was poised to be the #1 for the following season. After his injury tho he hasn't looked even close to the same. We don't have the funds to get a top end goalie so I as a Leafs fan would rather give Woll the summer and see what happens.

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14 Apr 2024 12:13:15
MG. lyon has 1 year left and I agree, he should get something substantial in the summer of 25. woll also has one year left of his entry level.
If there was a way for the leafs to acquire lyon without giving up woll, that sure would be intriguing. 1A-B combined in the ballpark of 1.7.

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19 Apr 2024 15:37:55
I'll take Lyon over Woll to stay in Detroit. I'm sure Husso is available though if the Leafs want him for a 3rd round pick.

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19 Apr 2024 15:37:55
I'll take Lyon over Woll to stay in Detroit. I'm sure Husso is available though if the Leafs want him for a 3rd round pick.

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11 Apr 2024 02:20:51
Toronto trades
McCabe
5th round pick

Ottawa trades
Kelly
Brannstrom
Sokolov
3rd round pick

Ottawa could use a bottom pair defenceman to battle with kleven for a roster spot in the fall

Unless McCabe is committed long term on a new contract it would be better to get assets back before he walks for nothing after next season. Kelly, brannstrom and sokolov are all RFA's that the leafs can fill in nicely with their own RFA's NRobertson, dewar and liljegren. Leafs also turn their 5th into a 3rd, which is a bit over the top but should be enough to entice treliving.

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15 Apr 2024 20:53:20
Too much for McCabe, also McCabe didn’t like the idea of playing in Canada before being traded to Toronto so he probably wouldn’t play in Ottawa.

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10 Apr 2024 13:18:01
Ottawa Trades
Chychrun
3rd Round Pick 2025 (Florida's Pick)

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
DeWar
Liljegren
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

Leafs will be looking to upgrade Defence and adding Chychrun would fit into what they would be looking at.

Unless Chychrun is committed long term on a new contract it would be better to get assets back before he walks for nothing after next season, NRobertson would be either on the second or third line in Ottawa, Liljegren though not Chychrun would play in Ottawa full time, DeWar fills in the 4th line nicely and Sens also get a 1st Rounder out of this deal

Remember everyone Chychrun was traded for a 1st and two 2nd Rounders when Arizona traded him to Ottawa and had more contract as well, so my proposal imo is similar to that transaction.

Thoughts ?

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10 Apr 2024 20:25:35
- explain it any way you like, and upvote yourself till the cows come home, but these one-sided trades you post incessantly are a waste of everyone’s time.

- OTT isn’t going to help your leafs out like this for that yard sale of a return. Their new owner would fire any GM that even suggested something like this.

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11 Apr 2024 01:40:21
So chychrun for a bag of pucks turns ottawa's 3rd into a 1st? No thanks.

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11 Apr 2024 14:13:34
Chickenfoot and Facelift39.
I guess none of those Leaf Players are NHLers in your world unless they play for another team got it.
What did Ottawa trade to get Chychrun from Arizona again with 3 years compared to an expiring contract next season?
If you don't know it was a 1st and two 2nd Rounders, so all of a sudden Chychrun is worth much much more?
Very odd way of thinking don't you think.

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11 Apr 2024 22:03:07
Chychrun with one year left is much more valuable than the three players with zero years left.
Ottawa has their own RFA's to work on this summer.
What value does 4th liner dewar have to ottawa? (McEwen still under contract, kastelic still under contract, affordable RFA's kelly and katchouk)
What about bottom pair d liljegren? (Hamonic still under contract, zub under contract)
3rd liner NRobertson? (Matthieu joseph still under contract)
Maybe it's an odd way of thinking to you, but how about just keeping your RFA's and ottawa keeps their 3rd? This would make the trade chychrun to the leafs for a 1st. I'm fairly certain this offer won't work for you, because it doesn't heavily favor the leafs.

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12 Apr 2024 03:59:00
Facelift39 N
Robertson gives Ottawa another young winger that has proven he can score playing limited minutes, that's why The Sens would want him.
DeWar is better than any of the 4th line forwards you mentioned, isn't Ottawa trying to get better?
Hamonic is in the same class as Liljegren? Ya sure he is in your world.
All the players in my proposal are RFAs not UFAs so they aren't going anywhere.
Again facts are facts Chychrun with 2 extra years on his contract went for a 1st and two 2nd Rounders.
For some reason you believe Chychrun is worth more than his going rate.
So if The Leafs had two 2nd Rounders and Ottawa kept their 3rd Rounder and NRobertson, Liljegren and DeWar were not part of the deal then it's fair?

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13 Apr 2024 13:37:45
YES pinball, I would 100% click believable on chychrun to toronto for two 2nd's. I am certainly not trying to convince you or anybody that hamonic is equivalent to liljegren or that Parker kelly is equivalent to NRobertson, my point is that hamonic is under contract and likewise with zub. is ottawa really going to improve by having zub and liljegren in their top 4 on the right side and hamonic on the bottom pair? At forward, stutzle, Tkachuk, giroux, batherson, pinto, norris. would NRobertson be in their top 6? I'm going to go ahead and say no.
Joseph, kastelic, Greig, McEwen under contract for next year in the bottom 6 - I'm not suggesting these players are superior to dewar, I'm sure he's amazing on the leafs 4th line. I'm simply pointing out that they are under contract for next season. So unless ottawa can pull off a trade similar to some of the proposals you make on here, then these players will be taking spots.
To suggest ottawa would give up assets for fringe RFA's is absurd. Why not make a proposal where each of these players is involved in a sign-and-trade? I'm sure teams would be lining up around block. Ridiculous.

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18 Apr 2024 22:57:03
I'd do this - puts Toronto in a salary cap bind after next season when Chychrun will want 8 mil per season.

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19 Apr 2024 14:15:52
Pinball
Seriously the ratio of likes to dislikes on all of your posts through all these years isn't enough evidence to suggest you know nothing?

When are you going to pay attention to the 31 other teams in this league and what their position is on their players? You come at every trade with the same statement "the Leafs will be looking to do ___".

Assuming Ottawa is even shopping Chychrun, why would they settle for the worst return Toronto can offer just to help a division rival?

And lottery protected 1st round pick is absolutely hilarious, assuming the Leafs might potentially finish bottom 5 with the team they already have plus adding Chychrun?

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19 Apr 2024 14:38:11
Adding Chychruns $4.6m would put the Leafs salary at $72.89m for players already signed til next season, out of a possible $87.7m.

You've offered 3 RFAs so there's no salary being sent back to Ottawa, and that's also 2 extra roster spots to fill out on the team.

Which means the Leafs would have $14.81 million left to complete their 22 man roster. They still don't have a starting goalie signed, they'd still need 1 more NHL defenseman, and they'd still need 5 more NHL forwards (10 forwards, 4 defenseman and 1 goalie are already signed for next season. )

$14.81m to sign 7 players, unless the Leafs want to ice AHLers to fill in those gaps which I'm sure you can agree would make them worse than they currently are.

Marner needs and extension, Tavares needs an extension, Knies needs an extension, Woll needs an extension. Oh, and Chychrun will need an extension after next season.

Lastly with this trade the Leafs would have no 1st round picks in the next 2 years which is brutal since they already have no 2nd round picks in the next 2 years. No cap space to extend and keep all the talent already there, and not enough quality prospects to fill in the rest of the gaps.

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09 Apr 2024 16:15:10
A proposal if Samsonov is resigned.

Detroit Trades
Seider
3rd Round Pick 2025

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
DeWar
Liljegren
Woll
1st Round Pick 2026

Leafs focus on getting a Top 2 younger Defenceman get's them that in a big way, yes it's a lot to give up but worth the price imo.

Red Wings in that still rebuilding mode and yes trading Seider would be something they wouldn't normally do, but getting that package replaces more than what they have currently.

Thoughts ?

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09 Apr 2024 16:34:23
In what world does Steve Yzerman do this deal; cause it sure isn't this one.

We don't have the pieces right now to get a top pairing dman let alone one that is still an RFA at only 23 years old.

It's wishful thinking, but if Trev called Stevie Y with this package he would probably laugh at him and ask where the punch line was.

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09 Apr 2024 20:35:07
MG69
So a potential #1 Goaltender, a 22 year old that can score some, Liljegren would be third in scoring on Detroit, a young 4th line Centre/ Winger who is good on the PK plus a 1st Rounder isn't enough for one player of Seider's ability and age plus of course a 3rd Rounder?
This site constantly undervalues Leaf Players, why I don't know but many on here do.
I am not just saying this because I see other posts of much lesser players that people over value, so the opposite imo.

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09 Apr 2024 23:42:09
I'm a Leafs fan man. This isn't an undervalue, it's reality.

Like you already said, Detroit is rebuilding so why would they trade a player who fits that rebuild timeline and would be a top dman on most NHL teams?

Robertson doesn't even crack their top 9. He's not taking a spot from Debrincat, Perron, or Fabbri on the LW. And he's not taking a spot at centre from Compher or Copp. So he'd be on the 4th line there which as we have seen doesn't work well.

You keep referring to scoring like that's all that matters. Lily isn't consistent on the defensive side of things at all. Has great games and then has games where he's making some awful mistakes in our own zone. Could he still turn into a top 4 dman, maybe. But Detroit has ASP coming down the pipeline who looks to be stud on the backend.

Dewar is exactly what you said a 4th liner who kills penalties well. He's been great for us and I hope he stays a member of the Leafs going forward. But in terms of this trade he doesn't move the needle much at all.

Woll could be a #1 goalie. But since his return he has looked very shaky. Numerous games now that he has let the first shot in. I hope he returns to form and I hope it's on the Leafs. But as of right now, based on his play he doesn't move the needle much either.

As I have stated before our prospect pool is filled with guys hitting that 22-23 age where not a single one has been able to compete for a roster spot. Add another prospect to the pool that we can either develop for ourselves or use down the road as a part of a trade for a bigger fish.

I can appreciate you wanting us to get better sooner rather than later. But other teams are not going to make quantity over quality deals just for our sake.

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10 Apr 2024 01:24:46
Too funny.

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10 Apr 2024 14:23:16
whoever clicked believable on this is has to be trolling. in no universe does this trade happen or is realistic.

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10 Apr 2024 20:27:28
Read the feedback Pinball, your fellow leaf fans think this is unrealistic. Accept the feedback and adjust like anyone else would do.

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11 Apr 2024 02:35:18
MG69 nailed it! 🔥 🔥.

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15 Apr 2024 17:48:44
Before this trade, Detroit has only 1 quality RH defensenan. After, they have 0. No thank you.

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19 Apr 2024 15:27:42
Hi Mr. Yzerman, I hope this letter finds you well.

My name is pinball. The Make A Wish foundation has granted me one wish and I'm using it to be GM of the Leafs for one day. My one and only wish is to see the Leafs win 7 playoff games instead of 6, and I think you can help me make this possible.

Would you please trade me your best defenseman Moritz Seider in exchange for 4 RFAs that I don't think can win with our team? If that's not enough, I'll even give you our 2026 1st round pick since I don't think it's worth much to the Leafs.

If you could please help me out I'd really appreciate it.

P. S. I love you.

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19 Apr 2024 14:41:17
Seider isn't on the trade block and if you called Yzerman with this offer, he would personally drive up to Toronto just to spit in your face and then drive back to Detroit laughing the whole way.

Get it through your head the league isn't operating with 31 other NHL teams that are here to help Toronto with charity trades because of their own cap situation.

You could offer Marner and a 2026 1st rounder the answer would still be no.

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19 Apr 2024 14:55:14
"Hi Steve Yzerman, my name is pinball. The Make A Wish foundation chose me this month because I only have 3 months left to live. My one wish is to see the Leafs win 7 playoff games instead of 6. Would you please trade your best player for 4 RFAs? I'll even give you a 2026 1st rounder because I won't be alive to see who gets drafted anyway. P. S. I love you"

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07 Apr 2024 15:38:44
Islanders trade Ryan Pulock, Samuel Bolduc and a 1st round pick

Toronto trades Conor Timmins and Mitvh Marner(4 million retained)

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07 Apr 2024 20:48:24
So, the Islanders give up the most valuable piece and somehow and a 1st for one year of Marner?

A trade needs to work for both teams. Not just heavily favour Toronto.

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07 Apr 2024 21:37:48
Somehow add a first.

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08 Apr 2024 14:22:31
You may be right about value, Leafs can add a 2nd or something.

I am not a Leafs fan, but thought something like this works for both teams, Islanders badly need another player to provide offensive production, while Leafs badly need a player on defense.
Me bad for not considering length of contracts on these players.

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08 Apr 2024 22:05:59
Yeah Marner is expensive but to say he has less value than Pulock who is probably similar to Rielly in value is in my opinion either bias or a very stupid opinion. Maybe 5 RWs in the NHL better than Marner but I’d put him 4th (Pasta, Rantanen, Kucherov) and probably 50 dman better than Pulock.

Zero comment on the deal just saying Marner absolutely holds more value then Pulock.

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09 Apr 2024 13:47:18
I can see you thinking that one year of a complimentary winger would be as valuable and would get you a top pairing RHD with term on a good contract VBBB and it's absolutely hilarious.

You have to take off the blue and white glasses once and a while and look at it without bias. It's completely unrealistic.

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09 Apr 2024 15:09:04
He's not wrong Marcus. Coming from a Wings fan, Marner is one of the top 5 right wingers in the NHL.

Without discussing the trade proposal and discussing value alone, I'd put Marners trade value at a higher value than Pulocks, the factor being that $6.9 million for 1 year with the suggested $4m retention.

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09 Apr 2024 15:25:24
I can't see it DrwDave. If Marner had more years on his contract and his contact was reasonable, you could make a case.

But there's no comparable of one year of a winger pulling a top pairing RHD with term on a decent contract, in return.

Pulock is more valuable based on contract and position.

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09 Apr 2024 17:46:17
I’d put Kaprizov and Marner around the same value wise with both the same term on there contracts and I’d 100% take Kaprizov over Pulock in a vacuum.

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09 Apr 2024 18:49:02
Kaprizov has 2 years remaining after this one, Marner has one. They do not have the same term.

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11 Apr 2024 19:47:21
I'd assume any team looking at trading for Marner is asking for a sign and trade to take place or is asking to speak to him before hand to have an extension ready to go.

Assuming the above then the Islanders are adding a pick or two more IMO. Doubt Marner gets moved tho unless he tells Trev outright that I don't want to be here anymore. Suspect an extension gets worked out by the end of the summer.

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05 Apr 2024 14:40:55
Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Liljegren
Akhtyamov (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

Washington Trades
Carlson*

*Caps retain 4 million of Carlson's remaining 2 years with an AAV of 2 million.

Leafs will be looking in the off season to get a solid two way defenseman imo, and Carlson checks all the boxes as well as being a veteran player.

Caps are an older team looking to get younger for the future, Carlson has been a top Defenceman for them but it's time to trade him for assets that help for the now and the future and this proposal does that imo.

Thoughts ?

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05 Apr 2024 15:53:15
I think Caps would take this. Carlson is good . not the player he was years ago. but the return helps replenish the cupboard.

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08 Apr 2024 17:13:02
- Treliving won't be trading 1st rounders like Dubas. He would also probably look for someone younger than 34 to commit assets towards.

- It's hard to imagine an NHL team retaining 4M x 3 seasons. Besides, WSH is all about getting Ovi the record, and winning appears to be secondary. Trading Carlson would undermine that.

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08 Apr 2024 21:40:02
Chickenfoot.
Treliving won't be trading 1st Rounders?
Tyler Toffoli and what about Sean Monahan plus a 1st Rounder to Montreal for Future Considerations?
Just to name a few he did not that long ago.
You complain on my posts that I don't address Defense or Goaltending, so I address Defense and still a no iyo.
It's 4 million over 2 years not 4 million a year for 3 years as Carlson only has 2 years left to go after this season.

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09 Apr 2024 12:16:58
He's done it before, but as I have previously said our prospect pool isn't that deep. Most of our guys are hitting that 22-23 mark and haven't been remotely good enough to challenge for a roster spot. Continue to add to the prospect pool, add some players in free agency, and focus to when Tavares is off the books or brought back at a team friendly deal. Cap will have gone up and we will have some space to work with to address any lingering concerns and make a very solid team.

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10 Apr 2024 20:18:01
PlNBALL:

- stop with the whining and crying when you get predictable feedback. Embarrassing.

- Treliving said he wasn’t trading 1st round picks in Toronto. He’s been a GM in the past, and of course he’s trade them in the past. He recognizes that Toronto has few prospects and picks left and can’t afford to trade them as recklessly as Dubas did.

- good for you to come to the realization that the leafs D needs work. Your trades are still way off, one-sided, homer trades though, and the feedback you receive even from fellow leaf fans confirms that. If you can’t accept the truth that’s on you.

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04 Apr 2024 18:55:01
Oilers in the Offseason.

Players OUT;

DRAISAITL
KANE
CAMPBELL
JANMARK
FOEGELE
*NURSE
*BOUCHARD

*-One of these guys should be moved but highly doubt it happens.

Players IN;

MARTIN NECAS (trade)
SAM REINHART (sign)
NOAH HANIFIN (sign)
BRANDON MONTOUR (sign)

PLUS Re-sign the following;
ADAM HENRIQUE
CONNOR BROWN
SAM CARRICK
DYLAN HOLLOWAY

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05 Apr 2024 08:21:21
Very unrealistic

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05 Apr 2024 15:17:28
And.

What is the plan with Draisaitl?

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05 Apr 2024 15:54:09
sorry for delay in responding. was laughing too hard. not a chance this is even remotely possible.

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05 Apr 2024 17:25:16
If Oil get anyone from Carolina I’m hoping it’s Pesce. Severson contract, 6.5M?

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05 Apr 2024 19:40:57
Drais is paired with Campbell in order to move that contract, lol.

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07 Apr 2024 17:57:19
Buyout sucks but the cap hit is relatively low for Campbell. Almost a sure thing it’ll happen.

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08 Apr 2024 17:14:41
YOUR CAPS LOCK APPEARS TO BE STUCK.

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02 Apr 2024 15:26:37
Islanders Trade
Pulock
3rd Round Pick 2025

Leafs Trade
Kampf
Liljegren
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

Thoughts ?

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02 Apr 2024 15:49:54
Oh Pinball.

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03 Apr 2024 22:33:43
- I applaud you for recognizing, as the rest of the hockey world does, that the construction of the leafs D needs "attention".

However,

- why would NYI be interested in giving up a D-Man they committed to long-term and granted a NTC? Because the leafs need the help?

- why would NYI take on Kampf's contract at 2.4M x 3 more years? He scores 7 goals a year, and at -4 isn't even a defensively responsible player? Kampf has negative trade value: if you want to move him, you're adding a sweetener and/ or retaining salary.

- Liljegren will be lucky to see the ice in the playoffs. He's a sweetheart who is ill-equipped for the grind of the NHL playoffs. Furthermore, he's an RFA. The more likely scenario is he doesn't get a contract offer from the leafs, and ends up signing for the league minimum wherever he can land a contract.

- the 1st is the only thing of value in this trade, and it's a late first. It's not even close to fair value.

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04 Apr 2024 13:31:28
Chickenfoot.
After this season Pulock has 6 years left on his contract at 6,150.000 each year, that is a big contract for Pulock and how good he really is, yes it's a big one for The Leafs as well but they need to improve Defence imo.
Liljegren like Samsonov you rate as no value which is truly ridiculous, as Liljegren would be second in scoring on defense with The NYI with only Dobson ahead of him and Liljegren has no value?
2 years from now you are assuming Toronto is still a top team there are no guarantees that will be true is why I have it as Lottery Protected, so to say it's a late pick is an assumption.
Kampf isn't a desired player but has to be added for Cap Reasons, all teams make trades like this when Cap is involved and he is still an NHL Player not an AHL Player.
We can agree to disagree but you have Pulock rated higher than he really is and a player like Liljegren rated lower in value imo.

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04 Apr 2024 15:33:28
Lily is a bottom pairing dman with some offensive upside. Potentially a top 4. His game is just inconsistent and not matured like Pollock's. Pollock has never been an offensive powerhouse from the backend. What he does do is make responsible plays with the puck and blocks a good amount of shots. Him at just over $6mill is a great deal for what he brings. Just isn't enough for the Islanders to be interested and unlikely they want to move him anyways lol.

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06 Apr 2024 02:23:58
"Kampf isn't a desired player but has to be added for Cap Reasons, all teams make trades like this when Cap is involved" is a strongly inaccurate statement. I agree with chickenfoot that this is where something tangible should be added. kampf and samsonov were both picked up for free off the UFA scrap heap, I also can't imagine the leafs suddenly opening their wallets for samsonov's extension this summer.

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08 Apr 2024 17:19:59
Pinball. all I can say is. good for you to finally recognize the leafs D is a rebuild.

Your plan isn't close to realistic though for reasons already explained.

I'm sure the off-season moves for your team will be as big a shock to your expectations as was the Trade Deadline. It was obvious to everyone but you that the leafs just didn't have the trade capital to make moves remotely close to what you were suggesting.

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31 Mar 2024 07:58:14
ANA - Trevor Zegras
CLB - Kent Johnson, David Jiricek and 2026 1st

Frank Vatrano - Leo Carlsson - Troy Terry
Kent Johnson - Mason McTavish - Ryan Strome
Alex Killorn - Isac Lundestrom - Max Jones
Brock McGinn - Benoit Groulx - Jakob Silfverberg

Cam Fowler - Radko Gudas
Pavel Mintyukov - David Jiricek
Olen Zellweger - Jackson LaCombe

Johnny Gaudreau - Trevor Zegras - Patrik Laine
Boone Jenner - Adam Fantilli - Kirill Marchenko
Yegor Chinakhov - Cole Sillinger - Alex Nylander
Dmitri Voronkov - Sean Kuraly - Alexandre Texier

Zach Werenski - Damon Severson
Ivan Provorov - Adam Boqvist
Jake Bean - Erik Gudbranson

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31 Mar 2024 14:16:21
Way to much for Zegras. Wouldn't even do it without the pick.

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31 Mar 2024 21:52:56
@Quiet Guy big name that can play centre, I think jackets would be all over that

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01 Apr 2024 22:24:42
I’d much, much rather have Kent Johnson then Zegras and I’d much rather have Jiricek then Johnson so wow.

Zegras might be the most overrated player in the game at this point.

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03 Apr 2024 02:10:03
Wow, this is a huge overpayment.
I bet in 15 years we say Kent Johnson was the better player.

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03 Apr 2024 22:36:39
I tend to agree with the others that it's a bit steep for Zegras, but Verbeek is a tough negotiator, and will likely command some kind of ransom if he moves Zegras.

Crazy things can happen at the draft, and this year's draft pool gets shallow quick. I expect a lot of picks will be traded.

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04 Apr 2024 14:03:42
I don’t think Zegras brings back a top 10 pick this draft. You say he can play centre but Nylander has more FOW in one season than Zegras does his whole career. He is a 1 dimensional offensive LW in my eyes and I’d prefer a player like Konechny or Necas long term over him.

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04 Apr 2024 15:52:02
Yah Zegras is overrated IMO. He's not responsible defensively at all and his offense doesn't make up for his lack of defense. He gives you a highlight real goal or play a year and returns to being mediocre.

I'm sure someone will look to add with the hopes his offensive output improves, but it shouldn't be for a top 10 pick by any means.

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