NHL rumours 8

30 Jul 2024 15:45:47
Habs- baron-mesar-florida 1st pick 2025

Wpg- mcgroaty


Mcgroaty could play in mtl top 9

Baron joining is bro, mesar And 1st Florida pick worth each a late first

30 Jul 2024 16:20:06
The first is nice, but the rest does nothing for Winnipeg. You'll need to pay Chevy's asking price or check again at the TDL.

31 Jul 2024 00:47:33
That is an overpay. One first round for three first rounders. I say again unproven me me.

31 Jul 2024 01:38:02
@memarcus

That's essentially 3 1st round picks for a guy who doesn't want to stay in the peg

I get, that chevy isn't giving him away, but this is a good package. I big young RHD, a young winger with potential, and a 1st.

31 Jul 2024 02:00:09
MEMARCUS: any word on what Chevy's price is? I haven't heard anything about it yet, and I'd heard that they're trying to work it out with the kid?

31 Jul 2024 03:34:14
Chickenfoot, there are no actual leaks from the Jets, but the insiders think he is asking for a young roster player or prospect that is NHL ready.

It makes sense as an ask, but that's about the only info out there.

31 Jul 2024 03:47:12
Hurdemz, just because a player
was drafted in the first round, doesn't mean they hold that value their entire career.

So, no that isn't close to 3 first round picks in value. The same reason Montreal fans want to get rid of them is the same reason other teams don't want them. They all realize the potential just really isn't there anymore.

Mesar, is okay, nothing impressive, maybe ends up as a small bottom six energy guy or something. Maybe worth a 3rd? But he fills no need for Winnipeg and is probably a couple years away. Almost no value to Winnipeg.

Barron, his new contract says it all. He's being paid for being exactly what he is, a low end 6/ 7 that couldn't consistently crack a horrible Montreal defense. Comparable players can be picked up off waivers or as an FA for even less money and Winnipeg doesn't need bottom pairing defensemen. He has zero value to Winnipeg.

31 Jul 2024 16:52:57
MEMARCUS: good info, and I think that price is fair if the kid comes as advertised. No matter what happens Chevy will do something smart because that’s what he does.

Good rebuttal email as well. You are consistently a good read on here. 🤜.

31 Jul 2024 17:19:24
McGroaty is likely a tough eval for anyone looking to acquire him. Do you take his demands for playing time as entitlement and unwillingness to work for it or do you look at it as he knows how good he is and is showing his confidence. It's a fine line.

Chevy will hold onto him until the deadline and will likely be in talks with his agent and him leading up to it to figure out if the Jets are a fit. And if not then he'll be used to go after a big fish, assuming the Jets are in a playoff spot or in the hint for one. And if not wait till the draft.

31 Jul 2024 17:24:40
I won't pretend to say I know much about the kid from the Jets. I do agree on most points with Memarcus. I'm just not sold on a kid that expects a roster spot, obviously I don't know the whole story. I'd have to fully understand what the situation is. Hard to tell if this would be an over or under payment.

31 Jul 2024 18:29:53
That's the whole thing with a McGroarty evaluation. None of us know and likely will never know what the actual situation is.

I can see why some teams may not be interested and why others would say "damn the torpedoes" let's go after him.

31 Jul 2024 22:45:59
Mcgroaty is a top 6 forward, not a star.

27 Jul 2024 13:32:14
Laine and Kent Johnson and a 2nd for Marner. Nothing retained on Laine.

28 Jul 2024 03:30:10
That’s an awful lot for one year of Marner, especially since CLB is rebuilding and needs prospects and picks to build around, not pending UFA’s that can’t help a rebuild.

CLB hands up.

28 Jul 2024 20:10:35
OK. so what if it's a sign and trade do they give more? Laine and his contract is a negative remember.

29 Jul 2024 07:48:16
You are 100% about Laine’s value, but he is attracting a lot of trade interest by teams apparently. (I wouldn’t be in on that deal though. )

Marner is only 27, but he’s the wrong age for a rebuilding team like CLB. I doubt he agrees to a sign and trade since he’d forego a shot at unrestricted free agency, which is every players hard-earned right.

I think Marner would be better served with a veteran core that sets the tone for him to follow, rather than him being expected to be a leader to a young and impressionable team like CLB will be growing in the years to come. I just don’t see a fit with CLB at all.

29 Jul 2024 19:05:33
@Chickenfoot I think you’re partially wrong. The fact Columbus went out and traded for Provonov and Severson then signed Monahan shows they aren’t rebuilding. On paper they actually have a deep team with a few very underrated players like Danforth who may be the best 4th liner in the league. For the right player I think they’d move futures for them.

With that being said I think Marner would be the absolute last player they’d target. They have Guadreau signed long term who while not as good is very similar to him offensively. A team with both Guadreau and Marner being payed big money is not a team that’s built to win.

I think Laine is worth a flyer on for a mid pick for a team like San Jose or Chicago but not the leafs who are trying to contend. Kent and a 2nd for Marner isn’t outrageous. I don’t think Kent has developed as expected. I’m not saying he’s a bust but I think he caps out as a 1 dimensional 70 point guy. Maybe something like a little bit better Thomas Tatar mixed with Athanasiou with Jasper Bratt as a celling.

30 Jul 2024 13:26:00
VB - this is the most diplomatically written post I’ve seen from you, and I give you props for that🤜

Your points are as valid as anyone’s on this, and I hear what you’re saying regarding the signing of Monahan.

My own thoughts are that the Monahan signals two things:

- he’s great at setting the tone for young players, as he did in MTL, while making everyone accountable and professional in their approach.

- signing Monahan also may help them see a better return from Gaudreau, who is untradable as-is, but Monahan may help him find his game.

27 Jul 2024 04:16:20
Montreal trades with Columbus
Mtl sends :
Anderson,Harris, mesar,
Columbus sends:
Laine , Kent Johnson

If Winnipeg wants to go big for playoffs near deadline
Montreal trades with Winnipeg
Montreal sends :
Dvorak, Savard , sean farrel
Jets sends:
Rutger McGroarty
Jets only add to current roster without subtracting
And Montreal roster in 2025 would look like this
1st line
Demidov Suzuki caufield
2nd line (monsters , all 6foot4 or bigger)
Slavkosky dach laine
3rdline
McGroarty Johnson Newhook
4th line
Gallagher evans roy

27 Jul 2024 04:26:53
None of those pieces are worth moving McGroarty for.

27 Jul 2024 11:27:29
Don Waddell read your proposal and puked.

27 Jul 2024 22:56:19
As a Habs fan, id love all of these! However, both Jets and Jackets GM decline easily.

28 Jul 2024 01:35:26
Have to agree.
Both these trades work great for Habs. But I think both Waddell and Chevy hang up the phone.

28 Jul 2024 03:32:47
CLB & WPG hang up and block MTL’s number.

25 Jul 2024 23:07:11
Conversation Trade
WPG
Perfetti
McGroarty
BUF
Cozens

I know there is no way Buffalo does this trade. But it would be good for WPG.

26 Jul 2024 01:29:55
It would be nice, but there's no reason for Buffalo to do that.

26 Jul 2024 18:46:50
If samuelsson is relegated to the bottom pair which is probably unlikely maybe something around Samuelsson and these 2 would make sense from a Winnipeg POV. He is a LHD but played on the right side for most of his career. If you don’t know him he’s very, very similar to Adam Larsson and would look good on the top pair with Morrisey. Passed for over 200 hits and BLKs last year and his advanced statistics put him in top 10 percentile in his own zone and top 5 percentile on the PK.

Ostlund (Projects as a 2C 16th overall in 2022 coming off a solid season in SHL) and Samuelson for Perfetti and McGority.

26 Jul 2024 20:58:13
Sorry Vbbb, there's nothing there that gets Chevy to consider it.

Perfetti isn't available.

Winnipeg has no need for another LHD. They need top 4 RHD, no other need on defense.

Best off waiting until the TDL.

27 Jul 2024 00:35:16
I have to agree with memarcusjoe on this.
This trade I just threw out there for conversation piece. I honestly do not think Perfetti will be traded. He will sign a deal. Only question is for how much and how long.
Ehlers will resign soon as well.
Also I don’t see McGroarty gets traded before TDL.
Bad thing is Jets options at 2C are
Lambert
Perfetti
Vilardi.
The defense is strong.
Morrissey Demelo
Samberg Pionk
Stanley Miller/ Heinola
There are needs. But really can’t see Chevy doing anything as of now.

27 Jul 2024 03:55:47
As i mentioned for his whole Career in Buffalo Samuelsson has played beside Dahlin and a little bit beside Power. Strictly on the right side. While he is left handed similar to TJ Brodie on Toronto he plays strictly on the right side (not sure where he played in his amateur career he could’ve played on the left side but so far in the NHL he has only played on right side. )

Being a physical shut down dman he is a natural partner for Morrisey imo. I believe if he becomes available Chevy would be all over him with the attention of pairing him with Morrisey.

27 Jul 2024 14:34:47
Sorry about my above post of saying WPG defense is strong. It was suppose to say “ It’s is not strong “.

I have watched Samuelsson a little, he is good defensively and physical. Something they need since Dillon moved on. But idk at the price of McGroarty.
I see Samuelsson a good addition but probably not what WPG is looking for.
I like your trade package vbbbvvbb but I think BUF adds a pick as well Ostlund. Also I don’t see WPG really doing anything til TDL.

27 Jul 2024 16:46:07
I agree muzza. Samuelsson is an okay bottom pairing guy, but as an LHD does nothing fue Winnipeg.

28 Jul 2024 01:23:43
Samuelsson is not a bottom pairing guy. He is a legitimate top 4 dman who logs big minutes in Buffalo. I’d say he’s on par with Chris Tanev or Esa Lindell.

23 Jul 2024 18:02:16
NAS - Glass, Schenn, Kemmell, 2026 1st, 2025 2nd

CGY - Kadri (1M retained)

24 Jul 2024 11:49:44
- NAS declines

- they have used their cap space effectively to add, but without sacrificing draft picks. Zero chance they use all that draft capital on Kadri.

24 Jul 2024 17:21:39
They have two of each of those picks so they’d still be picking in those rounds. I think maybe it’s a little heavy, drop the 2nd?
I think Nashville adding Stamkos, Marchessault, having Josi, O’Reilly, puts there window the next 3 ish years. Kadri fits the timeline and he’d fill a big hole for them.

25 Jul 2024 16:25:23
Hey Ebs, I think there's a few things to consider with a deal like this for Kadri:

- while still a productive player, with 29G / 75 points, while playing ALL games last year, he's 33 with 7M/ season x 4 more years. That's a lot of money for a team to take on for a player who'll be 34 when the season starts. It's a risk that will be taken into account when valuing a player for a trade.

- Kadri holds a NMC with a 13 team no trade list. (That said, I'm sure most players would see NSH in a positive light. )

- While Trotz made the most of his cap space, his July 1st News Conference heavily emphasized they didn't trade any futures to acquire these players. While he has extra picks, I don't suspect he'd consider trading any UNLESS their season warrants it. That said, I suspect he will keep all his picks and prospects to restock their system.

- If Kadri has another great season, I think a contender would consider Kadri for a 1st and a 2nd plus a prospect. His contract is far from unmovable, but it would likely require contracts going back to CGY and/ or a 3rd team to be involved. I don't see that kind of deal happening before the deadline though unless a contender has a 2C go down and can add him through LTIR.

28 Jul 2024 18:27:47
6M for 75 points is a steal. Nashvilles deadline emphasized the win now mentality IMO.

22 Jul 2024 15:36:43
Calgary Trades
Wolf (RFA)

Nashville Trades
Glass
Lankinen

Preds looking for some Cap relief and The Flames with a ton capitalize on this proposal.
I believe you will see similar trades to this the rest of the off season of teams against the Cap ceiling trading good players for less to teams with a lot of Cap.


Thoughts ?

22 Jul 2024 16:33:30
I don't see why Calgary would be in a hurry to deal Wolf at all. He's there guy going forward and there's really no reason to deal him.

22 Jul 2024 19:04:01
Lankinen is a UFA so my mistake putting him in a trade proposal, I will change it up and Trade Glass to Calgary for a 3rd Round Pick.

Thoughts?

22 Jul 2024 20:36:45
NO NO NO. Wolf isn’t going anywhere. I believe you might be correct about cap relief trades. Wolf at this point is worth more than Glass and lankinen so how is that for cap relief.

22 Jul 2024 22:56:42
Pinball, are you serious or this is just a joke? Wolf isn't going anywhere and definitely not for that return.

24 Jul 2024 11:46:06
- why would either team consider this trade?

- Wolf is going to get meaningful games for CGY this year.

- NAS already has a great goalie prospect in Askarov, so why do they need Wolf?

- you seriously need to consider posting MUCH less. Hockey knowledge clearly isn’t your thing. This is embarrassing.

21 Jul 2024 18:52:40
Calgary: Kadri
2026 3rd.
Colorado: Landeskog barring he agreed.
High prospect
Washington sends a bad contract to Calgary in exchange for a 1st and Colorado ends up getting a young prospect in a three way deal. Just spit balling here. Landeskog is out for the season and likely may not play again.

And Washington is in cap hell. Colorado would get Kadri who is still serviceable and a young prospect to make up for what ever Calgary gets in return.

23 Jul 2024 01:32:28
“ what ever Calgary gets in return. ”
Well that’s the question isn’t it? What is Calgary getting for giving up some leadership and a serviceable player and a cap dump to boot. I hope more than the 1st. And yea, COL doesn’t come out of this with a young prospect. They get the 2nd line center they need and they pay for the dump of Landeskogs LTIR hit.
Very confusing post.

21 Jul 2024 16:06:29
Read an article about possible trade scenarios of McGoarty.
One was
WPG
McGoarty
PHI
Farabee
Laughton.

This trade in my opinion doesn't really do much for WPG. With Farabee then it really forces an Ehlers trade. Laughton is not a great 2C. But I guess on a defensive team would work.

Second was
WPG
McGoarty
NYI
Romanov
Holmstrom.

This trade gives top 4D but left handed.
But he can be put on the Right side. He is better than Pionk. Holmstrom IDK anything about him except that he is a winger.

Third was
WPG
McGoarty
CLB
Kent Johnson

Johnson has offensive side and can play all three forward positions. Then possibly trade for a top 4D.


Other teams were BOS, MINN, CAR,
Personally I like to see guy go play for Tortilla! Give him a wake up call!

21 Jul 2024 17:20:42
Lol these are awful for every team not named Winnipeg.

21 Jul 2024 18:48:40
Yeah those are pretty bad scenarios done by beat writers that don't know anything about Winnipeg's needs.

CLB likely isn't trading Johnson.

The other two are for players that do nothing for Winnipeg.

It's not very often that a team targets players they don't need in trades.

21 Jul 2024 21:56:56
That’s what I thought after reading. These ppl writing about WPG McGoarty trade scenarios have not paid attention to WPG needs. 2C & top4 potential Right handed D.
I also Read about WPG and CAL including Kadri and prospects. Which makes absolutely no sense. Yes it gives WPG a 2C. But aged!
Another one was a trade involving Marner. Which I still think is a joke.
Personally I don’t see McGoarty trades to either at trade deadline or after the next season.
And Ehlers has rumours of staying in WPG.

21 Jul 2024 23:32:30
Totally agree. The earliest McGroarty moves now is the TDL unless someone blows Chevy away before then. Beat writers don't put a lot of thought into stuff. They just go, "well this team wants to trade this guy and that team wants to trade that guy, let's trade 'em for each other! " No thought of cap space or team needs at all.

Ehlers most likely stays a Jet. Scheifele and Helly didn't sign until late in the off season last year either.

21 Jul 2024 15:43:14
San Jose Trades
Granlund*

Toronto Trades
Kampf**
NRobertson (RFA)
Akhtyamov (KHL)/(AHL)

*Sharks retain 2 million of Granlund's expiring contract.

**Kampf if SJ isn't on his list would have to waive his NTC.


Sharks in a full rebuild get some more younger players in NRobertson and Akhtyamov, the one area SJ lacks in prospects is at Goaltender and Akhtyamov definitely fits what they would be looking for, Kampf has to be part of this transaction as well as retaining cap to complete a proposal like this.

Leafs get for at least this upcoming season a better suited 2C in Granlund with Tavares going to 3C to give The Leafs a stronger top 9.



Thoughts ?

20 Jul 2024 17:45:57
Pittsburgh Trades
Bemstrom

Toronto Trades
Jarnkrok


Thoughts ?

21 Jul 2024 16:38:51
Pitt has no need for another over the hill player.

21 Jul 2024 17:17:02
Nashan
Don't forget who Pits GM is and he loves Leaf Players on his team.
Dubad is the one who signed Jarnkrok and yes I do believe he would want him on The Pens imo.

26 Jul 2024 14:47:49
Dubas left his mistakes behind him in Toronto, he's not bringing a Maple Leaf to Pittsburgh unless the name on the back of the sweater is Marner.

I don't believe Pittsburgh needs a player like Jarnkrok and you're absolutely wrong in your assessment on what the Pens/ Dubas would want imo.

18 Jul 2024 05:50:24
Anybody see anything surrounding nazem kadri and Rutger mcgroarty do the flames have to add in this proposition maybe make it bigger by adding in Anderson?

18 Jul 2024 13:20:12
It wasn't from a credible source. Andersson would make sense for Winnipeg, Kadri doesn't.

I can't see the Jets moving their top prospect for a 34YO.

18 Jul 2024 16:31:12
If the Penguins offered a 35 year old Crosby for McGority the jets would shoot him out of a cannonball to Pittsburgh.

18 Jul 2024 18:11:38
Lol vbbb, so Kadri and Crosby are the same level to you? That's good to know.

18 Jul 2024 18:14:08
And Crosby will be 37.

19 Jul 2024 18:49:17
Everyone acting like this kid is gonna be elite………. hasn’t even played a game yet. Would advise against that as seems to have an me, me attitude.

21 Jul 2024 05:54:26
If calgary sends a Anderson, it would be mcgroaty, 1st, and a prospect. If kadri wants to waive id see him for mcgroaty and a mid prospect.