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16 Feb 2024 09:52:11
To CGY: 2024 2nd round pick, 2025 5th round pick

To VAN: Tanev

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16 Feb 2024 18:00:25
Canucks do t have a 2nd round pick in 2024. As much as I like Tanev, the Canucks could use some grit up front, over another defenseman.

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17 Feb 2024 00:20:45
Ok i love Tanev but i do not want to be held to ransom to get is services but dont break the bank to get him.

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16 Feb 2024 09:49:26
CGY receives: Marner, 2024 2nd round pick

TOR receives Markstrom, Hanifin, 2025 4th round pick



Calgary would flip Marner next year if he did not plan to resign. It's hard to say if Marner is untouchable or not but you'd think since Toronto has plenty of offence and Trevling did not draft Marner that there's a good chance he's not.

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16 Feb 2024 16:56:41
I don’t even like Marner I’d give him away for free but there is no chance in hell ownership would allow Marner to be traded even for a gross overpayment that makes them better.

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16 Feb 2024 19:20:49
- This too is a good trade idea, and frankly Treliving should have done a trade like this for Nylander rather than re-sign him and give him a NMC.

- the obvious hiccup with this trade is that Marner has a NMC, and would have to agree to waive it, which he's unlikely to do.

- leafs don't have a 2nd to offer, but they wouldn't have to to make this trade work.

- the leafs could make the roster limit work with sending someone to the minors.

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15 Feb 2024 23:11:29
Fleury
Bogosian
Hartman

to Leafs for:

Samsonov
Liljegren
Kampf
Cowan
2024 4th round pick
2026 3rd
2026 7th
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Tanev

To Leafs for:

1st round
Abruzzee
Brodie
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Lyubushkin @50%
For:
Timmons
Topi
2026 6th round

Knies - Matthews- Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Nylander
Gregor- Domi- Robertson
Homberg - Hartman- McMann/Reeves

Rielly - Tanev
McCabe - Bogosian
Benoit - Lyubushkin

Fleury
Jones
Woll


Hopefully Fleury and Jones could go on a few runs (I don't really trust Sammy still so.....) put Woll in as 3rd string now in hopes he becomes injury free then insert him as needed.

Damn hard to come up with scenarios in order to improve. I chose this far fix ;) GLG!

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16 Feb 2024 19:24:28
- MIN declines.

- CGY accepts.

- ANA accepts.

As Meat Loaf once sang, "Two Out of Three Aint Bad". Good one ThatGuy!

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14 Feb 2024 20:39:15
Leafs: parayko

Blues: 2024 1st, Robertson, niemela, Brodie.


Leafs get a big blue liner that they could really use. Brodie goes back due to cap constraints. At Louis can flip him if they feel like it, or use him in their playoff push.

Leafs would still have their 3rd, and to another rested liljigren to use for trade bait.

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15 Feb 2024 10:39:11
-STL is in a wildcard spot. Not sure why they’d give up on the playoffs, or a guy they recently signed long term?

- this deal puts STL over their roster limit regardless.
L.

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15 Feb 2024 17:07:26
Does Toronto really want to anchor themselves with a 6.5M cap hit that runs for 6 more years, especially with their current cap situation?

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15 Feb 2024 22:15:14
Same reason Philly is going to sell. St. Louis takes this and runs IMO.

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15 Feb 2024 23:25:58
1) blues are not trading parayko.

2) nic roberston is not a need for the blues.

3) blues are not trading parayko

4) if parayko was going the ask would be knies neimela and 1st 2024 2nd 2025 * turns into first if toronoto wins stanley cup

1 year cap dump guess that.

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14 Feb 2024 15:18:52
2 trade proposals.

First One.
Minnesota Trades
Bogosian
1st Round Pick 2025*

Toronto Trades
Liljegren

*Lottery Protected


Second One.
St.Louis Trade
Buchnevich+

Toronto Trades
Kampf
NRobertson
1st Round Pick 2025 (Wild Pick)

+Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's remaining 2 year contract.


First proposal very similar to The Rasmus Sandin trade with Washington at last season's deadline and it gives Toronto what they are looking for.

Second Proposal improves the Top Line or second LW position, the prior proposal keeps The Leafs 1st Rounder this upcoming draft using The Wilds pick in 2025.


Thoughts ?

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14 Feb 2024 18:39:23
- Minny is definitely trying to build through the draft, especially given their crushing buyout penalties. They are unlikely to trade a 1st. (Do you think you might be a tad overvaluing Lilly? )

- I'm not sure why STL would retain 2 seasons of Boosh & take on 4 years of Kampf @ 2.4M/ year.

- You explain how this helps the leafs, but you leave out an equally important part: how does this help the other teams involved? There has to be a fit for both teams, otherwise what's the point?

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14 Feb 2024 20:04:04
Bogo would refuse to even get on a plane to return to Toronto.

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14 Feb 2024 21:17:12
1 Sure the capitals made a similar trade a year ago, but are they a better team now than they were then?
2 Exchange veteran kampf for a prospect like Cowan or mittens, kampf could easily be perceived as a dump to make the cap work for the leafs rather than value to the blues.

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15 Feb 2024 06:42:02
Liljegren isn’t worth a 1st and the second trade doesnt meet the Blues needs at all

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18 Feb 2024 04:21:26
Buch would require knies and first since he has 1.5 years and retention and 1 year cap dump.

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13 Feb 2024 17:12:49
Philadelphia Trades
Laughton*
Atkinson*

Toronto Trades
Kampf
Reaves
NRobertson
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

*Flyers retain 50% of both Laughton's 2 years after this season and Atkinson's 1 year after this season.


Flyers rebuilding and have some good young assets on the team and coming in the next few seasons, Laughton and Atkinson are players I believe will be moved be The Leafs or another team, obviously Kampf and Reaves are in this proposal for cap reasons as well as the 50% retention but getting NRobertson, Minton and a 1st Round Pick is a future building block for what they are doing.

Getting that stud defender is the hardest to get, maybe Toronto can still improve on defense but the lack of a third line with a bit of productivity is just as important, and adding 2 quality players upfront like Laughton and Atkinson helps huge with Domi in between those players.


Thoughts ?

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13 Feb 2024 23:17:33
- any trade Treliving makes will be for help on D. (In a perfect world, he’d add in net, but with limited cap space he’ll have to be selective and prioritize D. )

- where is the compensation for Philly retaining this season plus next on Atkinson, plus 2 more on Laughton? (Cap space will be an expen$ive commodity at the deadline. )

- where is the compensation for taking 3 years of Reaves, who is irrelevant in the NHL? Or 4 seasons of Kampf @ 2.4M/ season, who at 29 is the wrong age for a rebuilding team to target for that long?

- the 1st & Minton, to a lesser extent, is of value to a rebuilding team. But the salary you’re dumping on Philly + the salary you expect them to retain is way out of whack with what you’re proposing as a “return” to Philly.

- Last but not least…. NO D for the leafs in your proposal? SERIOUSLY? (Have you seen the starting D in tonight’s lineup without Rielly? )

I’ll have what you’re having 👍.

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14 Feb 2024 14:54:58
Chickenfoot.
When you look at the retention and what Philly would have to put out cap and money wise the difference is in actual $108.666 which is basically a wash in my proposal.
So Cap is basically the same and they add 3 in NRobertson, Minton and a 1st Rounder, yes Kampf and Reaves aren't what most teams would want but because of cap they have to be included, Philadelphia are trading a soon to be a 30 and 35 year old players and add to their prospect pool why wouldn't they do it is the question I am asking you.
If anything as past has shown everyone at or near the deadline players are traded for much less than anyone would imagine.

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14 Feb 2024 19:14:41
- I'm not sure understand the concept of salary retention beyond what the leafs' needs are, but the numbers are significant for Philly in your trade proposal.

- if you're expecting the other team to retain that much salary and term, PLUS absorb bad contracts coming in, you need to include trade capital to make the other team even interested in wanting to consider it. Otherwise it's pure fantasy, and just doesn't make any "real world sense".

Consider the salaries & term you're proposing Philly retain AND absorb:

Player: 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27

Laughton 1.5M 1.5M 1.5M
Atkinson 2.94M 2.94M

Kampf 2.4M 2.4M 2.4M 2.4M
Reaves 1.35M 1.35M 1.35M
Robertson .796M
Minten .846M .846M .846M

The retention & salaries you're dumping on Philly is 4-year commitment that looks like this:

Year 1: 9.832M
Year 2: 9.036M
Year 3: 6.096M
Year 4: 2.4M

TOTAL: 27.364M

So you're asking Philly to take on 27.364M over 4 years, but you're not including any compensation for taking on all that salary?

The real in your trade offer is the 1st & Minten. A late 1st and Minten is not nearly enough for the 27M+ that you're asking Philly to absorb.

I'm not sure if you understand all this, but I've taken my best shot. Surely you can see that this is a lopsided deal that no team would ever consider?

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13 Feb 2024 06:28:42
Calgary receives : Alex holtz, Seamus Casey, a 1st rd 2024 and a 1 st rd pick in 2025

New Jersey receives : Jacob markstrom.

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13 Feb 2024 14:05:47
goalies never go for that much at the deadline no matter how good they are, get ride of the 2025 first and this is a believable deal.

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13 Feb 2024 20:18:42
Holy that’s way to much.

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12 Feb 2024 13:22:24
Vancouver:
TJ Brodie D

Toronto:
Nikita Zadorov D

Arizona:
Timothy Liljegren D
Ryan Tverberg C
3rd 2025

Toronto:
Nick Bjugstad C
Sean Durzi D

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12 Feb 2024 15:57:25
Vancouver definitively says no. LA needs more coming back .

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12 Feb 2024 16:23:06
Both Canucks and Coyotes say no.

Also Balsam, LA isn't involved in any of those.

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12 Feb 2024 21:10:12
Is it Christmas in Toronto?

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12 Feb 2024 21:26:06
- your trades are the absolute worst on this site, because you ONLY post leaf-homer trades while pretending to be a fan of another NHL trades. (There’s other guys that post leaf-homer trades, but they’re open and out there as leaf die-hards. At least they’re honest about who they are. )

- your Zadorov trade ignores the fact that VCR traded two picks TWO MONTHS ago and it’s been a great fit for the team and the player. Why in the world would VCR trade him for an older player who is a cap dump at this point?

- ARI laughs and blocks your number.

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12 Feb 2024 22:03:11
thanks. not sure why I thought LA.

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10 Feb 2024 15:19:26
Trade
SJS Ferraro 25% retained and Rutta for Liljegrin and Timmins and 1st and 3rd (NYI)

Fire Keefe if possible hire Joe Quenville ( #2 playoff wins) if not #tucker for coach

Ideal Roster format in my opinion.
Bertuzzi Matthews Robertson
Jarnkrok Domi Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
Mcmann Kampf Gregor

Reilly Rutta
Ferraro Brodie
McCabe Benoit

Scratches Giordano, Jones

Depth: Lagesson homberg

Samsonov
Woll


I think this spreads out the talent across three lines and are defensive responsible lines. ( only switch I might do is Nylander and Robertson) also think gives Tavares advantage as 3c over other competition and helps brodie as a 4.

Would probably add additional Depth/ grit
Such as Kastelic, Mccbain, Max Jones, Pezzetta, Bastian, *might be upgrade.

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10 Feb 2024 18:44:43
“Joel” Quenville, and SJ declines.

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11 Feb 2024 03:32:18
Chickenfoot why does SJS decline they are getting 1st for a defencemen who would normally get a 2nd and Liljegrin a young proven nhler, serviceable timmins. Rutta will not help them in the next 5 years. So 3 for him.

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11 Feb 2024 14:58:41
Quantity doesn’t replace quality.

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11 Feb 2024 18:10:24
If any team offers a 1st for Ferraro then San Jose jumps on that. Rutta cleared waivers 2x this season.

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12 Feb 2024 12:48:53
BM4: I appreciate that you're a die-hard fan of your team, and that the explanation you requested wouldn't be of much use. You're a true believer. But simply put, this is a "homer deal". The eventual return for the player will dwarf what is offered here.

The reality is that there are more issues to fix in Toronto than there are tradable assets available. Does Treliving make trades for optics just to satisfy the fan base, knowing they're not able to contend? In my opinion it would be a waste of assets, and the leafs are already low on draft picks and prospects.

The real opportunity to address the leafs' areas of need was when they re-signed Nylander rather than trading him for what they needed. I'm not breaking any news when I say they have too many NTC contracts, and too many high salaries, without enough tradeable assets to do anything to help improve what is a flawed roster build.

Complicating the current sitation is the brain fart by Rielly, and his inevitable suspension. They're currently in a wild card, but with the Sergachev injury they had a chance to build a cushion against Tampa. They'll likely lose Rielly for 6-8 games, in what was an incredibly selfish play that will hurt his team in the stretch run.

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12 Feb 2024 22:12:54
Joel Quenneville* ;)

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13 Feb 2024 02:54:15
6-8 games? You’re kidding right? That wouldn’t even be a penalty in 2005.

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13 Feb 2024 14:19:30
VB:

- the hearing is today, so we'll know if 6-8 games is accurate or not. (It's 5+ for an in-person hearing, so let's just say that I'm confident that I am right and you are wrong. again. )

- a cross-check to the head after a goal has ALWAYS been a penalty. at least. (Are you new to hockey? )

- head shots have always been a thing, even in 2005, such as the 6-game suspension Eric Boulton got for elbowing Paul Ranger in the head.

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14 Feb 2024 20:44:07
Personally think it should’ve been 4 games. I think most people loved the whole play. But 2005 is irrelevant and Parros is impossible to guess. Gallagher should’ve gotten double what Reilly got IMO.

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10 Feb 2024 15:05:10
Heard rumors that buffalo is looking to trade mittlestad for a goalie


Buff- mittlestad

Nsh- askarov- fabro

Thoughts?

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10 Feb 2024 21:06:37
Might do just askarov for mittelstadt straight up.

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13 Feb 2024 19:03:32
Askarov wont be moved.

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10 Feb 2024 04:37:23
LAK - Pierre-Luc Dubois
MTL - Josh Anderson, Jake Allen & 2024 2nd

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10 Feb 2024 13:45:34
Ship has sailed, doubt MTL wants Dubois at that price, even if it means unloading Anderson's contract.

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10 Feb 2024 18:47:07
MTL emphatically declines, even for 1 of those 3 pieces.

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11 Feb 2024 22:23:22
Allen has only 2 victory since October, Anderson does not hit anymore and his production is going downhill. Like, at least PLD has some good hockey in him. I think st-louis could make him a good player
From LA perspective, i don't know if they want to throw in the towel and get out of that contract at that cost but I would consider that trade.

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