NHL rumours 8

20 Jun 2024 21:47:32
Anaheim Trades
Zegras

Philadelphia Trades
Couturier*
1st Round Pick 2024(FLAs Pick)

*Couturier would have to waive his NMC to complete the transaction.



Thoughts ?

21 Jun 2024 06:11:42
Why would the Ducks want to get even older.?

21 Jun 2024 13:30:22
He doesn't care about what the Ducks would want to do BumbleBee.

He heard Zegras is on the trade block and decided Anaheim will probably take whatever they can get for him even if it makes them worse.

This is what happens whenever he posts something, its always one sided. Im just surprised this wasnt a trade to Toronto for Kampf and Dewar.

20 Jun 2024 19:47:21
Wild: Robertson, Toronto 4th round pick 2024

Leafs: Gustavsson



Change of scenery could benefit both players.
Robertson would be a good cheap top 9 scoring option for the Wild.
Gustavsson would be a decent tandem partner for Woll.

Also gives the Wild some cap relief.

20 Jun 2024 22:26:45
Tough to gauge what his value is. Maybe only a 3rd Rd pick would land Gustavsson. Me personally the Leafs need to big game hunt. Not a tandem to figure out what will is.

The Atlantic has proven time and time again (6 years straight I. The finals) that elite goaltending makes a big difference.

21 Jun 2024 19:43:48
Fair enough.
I’d like to see the leafs get an elite goaltender, I just don’t see them having the assets to be able to get one.
The only really elite goalie available is Saros, and unless Marner waives his NMC or they decide to move Cowan in a package, I think they’ll have to settle for a tandem.

20 Jun 2024 19:18:28
Blues Trade
Binnington*

Leafs Trade
Kampf*
1st Round Pick 2026(Top-10 protected)

*Both Binnington and Kampf would have to waive their NTC to complete the transaction.


Similar to the Markstrom trade yesterday.



Thoughts ?

20 Jun 2024 19:34:39
Can you name one time the Blues were rumored to be shopping Binnington?

Because Markstrom was on the trade block since March and NJ were pursuing a trade for him since then as well.

Also, this trade is hopelessly sad for St. Louis and their fanbase would hate seeing such a poor return for their franchise goalie.

But you're not going to learn anything from this reply anyway so I'm wasting my time.

20 Jun 2024 19:42:12
- STL laughs and hangs up.

- Kampf is a cap dump who’d require a sweetener to move. He’s a minus player and currently rated as 4th liner. At 2.4M x 3 more years you’d need to retain or sweeten the deal to make it palatable.

- Binnington is a hothead, and therefore wouldn’t be a great fit with any market with lots of media. I can’t imagine a worse market for him, with the possible exceptions of NY or MTL.

- leafs have 3 picks left in the first three rounds for the next three years. THREE! I suspect Treliving will want to acquire more picks, not trade more like Dubas foolishly did.

#PinballNeedsATimeOut.

20 Jun 2024 19:57:35
Not similar.
Binnington is better than Markstrom.
Kampf is not a 23 year old 6’6” D man with upside.

20 Jun 2024 23:22:15
Binnington was rumoured to be in a deal to Edmonton last season involving Jack Campbell+ I believe but don’t quote me Frank servelli reported that around December. Personally I don’t think Binnington is worth a 1st.

IMO it’d be smart to move Binnington and then sign a good backup like Brossiout. Joel Hoefer to me looks like the real deal.

From the leafs POV I’d rather sign a good backup Broissoit or Kahkonen and run Woll as the starter. While allocating the 6.5 million that’d be spent on Binnington to the leafs Dcore.

21 Jun 2024 00:46:36
LMac0420
Have you seen Bahl play?
He is at best a 6th Defenceman more a depth player, so upside is quite comical actually, Markstrom and Binnington are close imo.

Chickenfoot
Is Kampf a Cap Dump because he is a depth fringe NHLer, or is it his Salary because he plays every game unless he is hurt, on St. Louis he is probably a third line checking centre, and he actually is good at that.

So both of you can criticize all you want including Chickenfoot in another post saying no contender wants Marner, again ridiculous and comical.

21 Jun 2024 01:53:36
Once again you prove that feedback just bounces off of you.

I dont even know why you bother asking what our thoughts are about your trades. Nobody ever agrees with you and you don't accept any criticism when you inevitably get it.

21 Jun 2024 02:28:59
Vbb
Yes I know Binnington has been on the trading block, I also believe in Woll and actually Hildeby also but in Toronto they want more security in Goal and Binnington gives them that for sure, Markstrom went for a young 6th or depth Defenceman and a 1st, so the asking price is probably a 1st and a frindge player like Bahl, Kampf is in my proposal because The Blues won't be retaining any contract of Binnington.

21 Jun 2024 04:50:08
What really laughable is #pinball defending these outragous proposals. Marner is a good player, but all the trades you propose that include Marner. well any Toronto player is just trash. Try thinking about what other teams needs.

21 Jun 2024 13:36:48
Pinball
Bahl is 23 just coming into the NHL, D don’t usually hit their prime until 25-28. He has potential to be in the top 4 for Calgary in the coming years. Safe bet for a rebuilding/ retooling team.
How does he compare to a 29 year old 4th line centre who makes 2.4 million?
St. Louis would be better off allocating the money elsewhere.
Fair point Binnington and Markstrom are close, but personally I think Binnington is better. Plus he’s younger. Plus has cup winning experience.

21 Jun 2024 13:40:27
Kampf is an overpaid 4th liner, why not just waive him to get rid of the $2.4m cap hit and see if someone like San Jose or Chicago will grab him to make the cap floor?

If you're just going to compare something 2 other teams did to what you think the Leafs should do, using your own logic this is similar to Goodrow being waived 2 days ago.



And if you're looking to bring in a $6m goalie as starter, why wouldn't you just re-sign Samsonov for that type of money since he's already got team chemistry and is 3 years younger than Binnington?
Seems like the only reason you are trying to acquire Binnington is that his old coach is now in Toronto, no different than when you came up with trades for Saad and Sanford.

Now you can click that disagree button pinball.

21 Jun 2024 14:01:27
LMac0420
Bahl a Top 4 Defenceman?
That alone tells me you haven't seen him play, Markstrom was basically traded for a future 1st Rounder Bahl is the afterthought.

21 Jun 2024 15:07:05
"Today’s trade demonstrates our focus on the infusion of young talented players into our roster as well as acquiring important draft capital, while maintaining our commitment as a playoff competitive team, ” Flames general manager Craig Conroy said in a release. "We thank Jacob for his professionalism and understanding of our decision to make this trade now and at this stage in his career. " - Craig Conroy, June 19, 2024 via TSN

21 Jun 2024 17:25:57
You know what you’re right Pinball, the kids a bust don’t even know why Calgary picked him up. Might as well ship him to Toronto for future considerations.

Once that happens you can package him with Kampf and the rights to Samsonov for Saros. Once he’s a Leaf he’ll hold trade value.

21 Jun 2024 18:02:59
LMac0420
Leafs don't want Bahl, Conroy is one the worst GMs is why he asked for Bahl, if you think he is so great hope you buy his Flames Jersey.

21 Jun 2024 18:58:22
Never said he was great, said the kid has POTENTIAL.
As stated above, on a retooling team he could see top 4 minutes. Not saying he is a Top 4 Dman, not saying he won’t be a bust. Just stating he has more value in a trade for a retooling team than a 29 year old Centre making 2.4 million would for a retooling team.

That all being said if Bahl lives up to his potential and ends up being a top 4 D I just might grab a jersey ;)

21 Jun 2024 22:42:44
This is horrible for blued. He will garner more than markstrom. But why would blues trade him. why.

23 Jun 2024 00:59:13
PINBALL…here is exactly what LMac said:

“He has potential to be in the top 4 for Calgary in the coming years. “

LMac, take it as a compliment when Pinball doesn’t agree with you…it probably means you’re making sense. 👍

#PinballNeedsATimeOut!

20 Jun 2024 17:21:44
Ottawa Senators
- LD Jake Chychrun ($4.6m until 2025)
- G Anton Forsberg ($2.75m until 2025)
- 2024 1st round pick (Boston's pick, 25th overall)

Boston Bruins
- G Linus Ullmark ($5m until 2025)


Ottawa is aggressively pushing to land Ullmark. The former Vezina trophy winner won't come cheap and the package offered reflects that.

Boston acquires a backup for Swayman this season and they recoup their 2024 1st round pick, but the prize here for them is Chychrun.

I dont expect Ottawa to hold onto Korpisalo, either a separate trade or a buyout will happen for Korpi.

20 Jun 2024 19:51:37
I did see this elsewhere, and while it seems steep for OTT with that 1st, the ARE desperate.

BOS is definitely in the drivers seat since so many teams need a starting goalie, and they have two.

24 Jun 2024 04:52:50
I really don't think Boston is trying to add salary.

20 Jun 2024 13:19:52
Leaf to rebuild backend. They will keep big solid D Edmundson and move out all but Rielly and McCabe. Marner to be traded to Nashville of Saros. Bertuzzi leaves and Duchene comes in.

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Tavares - Duchene - Necas
Toffoli - Domi - McMann
Järnkrok- Kämpf - Reaves

Rielly - Walker
Zadorov - Montour
McCabe -Edmundson

Saros
Woll

20 Jun 2024 16:09:37
What is the Necas trade? Does this fit under the salary cap?

20 Jun 2024 16:12:39
No salary cap?

21 Jun 2024 06:14:04
LOL all players will play on league minimum salaries.

22 Jun 2024 00:25:10
hdsfacts34
Good call on everything you posted, I can actually see The Leafs doing all this to make themselves solid for next season.

19 Jun 2024 19:07:56
Congratulations to both CGY & LA fans.

- CGY: great haul for Markstrom.

- LAK: congrats on dumping PLD and possibly finding a goalie. Regardless if Kuemper works out, you're MUCH better off without PLD.

Nice work CGY & LAK! (Good luck NJ & WSH.you'll need it.)

19 Jun 2024 20:34:26
Chickenfoot
So for The Leafs to get Saros it would probably take Benoit and a 1st Rounder 2026 (Lottery Protected), if you were to compare the Markstrom trade.
Yet didn't you agree it would take Marner plus to get Saros?
What I am trying to get at is again teams don't trade major assets in trades like you keep trying to say, that's about right for Markstrom and and not surprised at all at the price tag, including Calgary eating part of the contract.
Today was a prime example of what I have said all along.

19 Jun 2024 21:01:18
I can't believe that LA gave up on PLD so fast. Although, I don't know why they traded for him in the first place.

19 Jun 2024 23:29:26
- Saros will be in demand.

- Markstrom “can” be good, but no one knows which version of him will show up in Jersey, so the Devils are taking more of a risk.

- Marner, if he waives, would be a 1-year asset. Why give up hard assets for that if you’re Nashville? The Preds are rebuilding.

- Also, with Marners’ almost 11M ticket, he’s a huge cap hit, so you’re trading him at pennies on the dollar. He’s of no use to a contender, and no use to a rebuilding team. Like you said, he probably won’t move, right?

I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to grasp any of this, but hockey informed hockey fans will.

19 Jun 2024 23:30:31
Pinball: Saros (29 years old) isn't Markstrom (34 years old) and Benoit (25 years old) isn't Bahl (23 years old) .

And everyone here can agree Conroy still got the worse end of that trade.

But go off on your "I was right because I said I was right" tantrum.

20 Jun 2024 01:07:02
Just curious Pinball, do you consider Markstrom and Saros to be the same calibre goalie?

20 Jun 2024 01:17:31
To say Marner has no value to a contender is dumber than anything pinball has ever said. Look at the UFA market for an example contenders overpay for stupid contracts all the time that are far worse than Marner. Also IF the leafs aren’t willing to retain after they pay his bonus the actual cash value of the contract is low meaning the team will only pay him a fraction of his cap hit. Not 100% sure but I think it’s like 3mil, so 3rd party retention to a team that needs to reach the floor like San Jose for an example wouldn’t cost all that much if that’s needed to facilitate a trade.

20 Jun 2024 10:48:03
“To say Marner has no value to a contender is dumber than anything pinball has ever said. “

Wow.

- why would a contender want a whiney player like Marner? Because of his record of outstanding achievement in the playoffs? Because he’s such a great teammate?

- Marner has nothing that contenders are looking for, and his salary precludes him from most contenders.

Stay classy VB. Looking forward to your next insulting and head-scratching post.

20 Jun 2024 13:04:35
Marner has value to a contender at the deadline, but if he gets dealt at the deadline it will be a devastatingly low return for the Leafs.

He's a good player with 50P in 57 playoff games. Not great when you look at what he makes and the level he plays at during the regular season, but not bad either. His recent playoff performance hurt his value for sure.

I doubt he gets dealt. Likely finishes the year and heads to FA. 2025 free agency class has the potential to be scary good. I know I would rather enter that free agency with north of $20mill in cap space then bring back Marner at North of $10mill a year.

20 Jun 2024 23:35:04
Before Mathew Tkachuk was moved to the panthers he was despite being “playoff style player” was awful offensively for a player of his caliber and on top that he took stupid penalties that lost his team 2 or 3 games in the playoffs. Look at what a change of scenery did for him. I’m not sure if you’re trolling but you sound foolish. Respectfully. There isn’t even a comparable to players who consistently produce 90-100 point paces because they aren’t traded.

You rambled for years that the leafs were going to trade Mathews then once he resigned you went to Nylander now it’s Marner. Not one of your predictions have ever been accurate. I’d say you’re up there with Pinball for the worst takes on this site.

19 Jun 2024 18:38:32
SJ Trades
Ferraro

Toronto Trades
Kampf*
NRobertson
Benoit

*Kampf would have to waive his NTC to complete the transaction.



Thoughts ?

20 Jun 2024 14:48:02
Bad faith move dealing Benoit after signing an extension. He wants to be here and played good for us. Players communicate with each other and I doubt he'd be saying "For sure sign there" if he were to get dealt after signing an extension.

20 Jun 2024 16:09:05
I'd send Timmins not Benoit.

21 Jun 2024 06:18:43
Lol this trade wouldn't happen. Ferraro had top minutes in a shut down roll. 3 third or fourth liners won't get you a top D.

21 Jun 2024 20:16:50
https://leafs-rumours.com/

^^^ If you're looking for attention go post your wet dreams on there and see how your own fanbase feels about your ideas.

You clearly can't accept any feedback on your posts on this site and only come here to troll or get angry when we give you a reality check.

19 Jun 2024 04:57:27
Read that Philly was maybe buying out Atkinson. Chicago likes overpaid veterans. How about Chicago 18th, 50th.. Philly 12th, 36th and Atkinson. Is that too much or little payment.

19 Jun 2024 16:39:06
why trade if Philly is buying him out?

19 Jun 2024 18:42:28
I'd be down with that. Atkinson would be a useful player for one season and the Hawks have to at least reach the cap floor. Moving up in the 1st and 2nd would be an excellent outcome for Hawks.

19 Jun 2024 18:55:43
Good one Shoots👍.

20 Jun 2024 04:53:07
Balsam, think HjalmarssonStan explained it. But even the switch of 12 for 18 and keep Philly from spending on the buyout and not spending. Cap hit would be over 4 mil over 2 years for buyout instead of trading 5.75mil of no years. Chicago does it for a higher draft pick.

18 Jun 2024 02:59:36
Utah Trades
65th pick in the 2nd Round
96th pick in the 3rd Round
98th pick in the 4th Round

Pittsburgh Trades
Reilly Smith - retain full salary of $5m

or


Anaheim Trades
68th pick in the 3rd Round
79th pick in the 3rd Round


Pittsburgh Trades
Reilly Smith - retain full salary of $5m


Maybe retaining this much salary gets Pittsburg draft picks.

18 Jun 2024 08:32:58
I don't think a team can retain a full salary.

18 Jun 2024 13:28:32
I’m not sure why Utah trades 3 picks for a 33 year-old that could probably be had for much less IF he chose to waive. (Older players are more likely to waive for a chance to win though. )

18 Jun 2024 18:32:40
You can only retain 50% and each team can only have (i think) 3 contracts which they retain on.

18 Jun 2024 21:45:19
79th is equal to 96 & 98?

18 Jun 2024 22:03:02
Utah could keep the picks and sign duclair for free.

19 Jun 2024 04:59:49
Thunderturkey is exactly right. 3 retained contracts and 50% each.

17 Jun 2024 16:44:18
For the record, I dont think Marner wants to be traded but ultimately the decision to trade him comes down to him and whether he feels hes lived out his welcome in Toronto.

With Nashville, it seems like there are many fits that make them the leading candidate if Marner wants out. The line chemistry with O'Reilly, the cap space to sign long term, and a passionate fanbase that has realistic expectations of him and the team.

So with that being said, if Marner were to submit a trade list and Nashville was on it:


To Nashville:

Mitch Marner ($10.9m until 2025)

To Toronto:

Jusse Saros ($5m until 2025)
Luke Evangelista ($797.5k until 2025)
2024 2nd round pick (Winnipegs, 59th overall)


I've been wondering if Marner for Saros 1 for 1 is fair enough or if Nashville would be adding.

I've also looked through their entire roster to figure out what else Toronto could/would ask for in this blockbuster. Evangelista brings the most trade value being on an ELC with 54 points in 104 NHL games. He's not replacing Marner's talent or point production, but he's an ideal player to bring in for a middle 6 forward who might develop into a 50-60 point winger.

The late 2nd round pick seems unnecessary, you could argue its not needed or that its the last ask from Treliving to get the best return for Marner.

Currently, Toronto/Treliving doesnt have a 2nd round pick to use until 2027. The late 2nd round pick holds very little value but if Trotz was asked for a pick to be included in a Marner package, Nashville has 3 2nd round picks this year and 2 in 2025.

Since I'm not a Leafs fan with a fragile ego I welcome any feedback you guys have. Cheers!

17 Jun 2024 18:06:42
Marner is over valued here.

Marner for Saros maybe. I believe TO adds because of the cap difference.

17 Jun 2024 18:19:00
The return Marner gets will ultimately come down to whether it's a sign and trade or if he's given permission to negotiate an extension with the potential team before hand. Whatever that number is will determine what the return is. I think this is fairly accurate though.

17 Jun 2024 18:45:05
I agree MG, what I put together would be a draft day trade but waiting for free agency to start would open the door for a team to negotiate an extension and do a sign and trade deal with Toronto.

@Chazz keep in mind that although the $10.9m cap hit is huge, waiting until after July 1st also means Toronto is picking up his $7.250m signing bonus and it would likely increase the potential return for Marner.

18 Jun 2024 14:46:21
Fair value both ways.
I like it for both teams. Don’t see Marner waiving to go to Nashville not to resign there.

18 Jun 2024 17:54:53
I can see Marner waiving to strictly get out of Toronto. But no team should be willing to give up much unless there's an agreement to resign. He's a top player who can put up points and is for the most part very sound defensively. He had a horrible showing in the playoffs though and it definitely hurt his value.

End of the day he likely plays out his contract and hits the road. He's earned that right to do so. The amount of cap space that the Leafs will have come 2025 offseason is huge. And the 2025 free agency class has the potential to be one of the best. Though he'd be a huge loss something has to give cause the 'Pay four players north of $10mill' plan didn't work at all.

18 Jun 2024 19:39:01
I think if the Leafs hold off until after free agency opens to reach out to teams about Marner, they'll garner a lot more interest and might even get a few competitive offers from several teams.

The beauty about MLSE having such deep pockets is that they can afford to pay Marners signing bonus before a trade can materialize and it wouldn't even be an issue. Any team acquiring Marner is getting a player that makes $10.9 million on paper but 66% of that has already been paid up front in the bonus.

20 Jun 2024 20:08:22
Good post MG. You’re a fair-minded fan🤜.

17 Jun 2024 15:30:13
3 Trade Proposals.

First.
Philadelphia Trades
Laughton

Toronto Trades
McMann
Kampf*

*Kampf would have to waive his NTC to complete the transaction.


Second.
Seattle Trades
Borgen

Toronto Trades
Liljegren
Reaves


Third.
SJ Trades
Ferraro

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Benoit


These 3 moves would not as much clear up Cap Space as these are hockey trades for all teams involved, which doesn't change much what's still needed for The Leafs but adding those 3 is a good start heading into Free Agency.



Thoughts ?

18 Jun 2024 20:18:19
Wow no Chickenfoot etc negative feedback, have I finally left you all speechless that you don't have anything to say against my proposals?
All 3 do make a lot of sense with all teams involved and what they get, as for the 7 unbelievable maybe 8 soon enough we all on this site know who hits that button.

19 Jun 2024 00:12:31
Toronto adds.

19 Jun 2024 02:27:47
LMac0420
Adds to what proposal of my 3?
Maybe the Laughton one I would agree.
The other 2 I think it's about right imo.

19 Jun 2024 02:46:34
Feedback bounces right off you, as does good sense and hockey acumen.

Nice to know I live rent free in your head to the point you reply to yourself regarding your own posts. Hilarious!

I’m not on this site 24-7 like you Pinball, your perspective (or lack thereof) is frightening. You are clearly interpreting things in a manner unique to you and you alone.

Pinball…you really DO need a timeout. You teach nothing, and you learn nothiny. In short, you bring nothing but annoyance to this page. Never interesting, never poignant.

#PinballNeedsATimeout.

19 Jun 2024 13:30:37
Trades 1 and 3 Toronto adds.
I don’t know anything about Borgen so I have no opinion on the 2nd trade.

19 Jun 2024 13:35:43
Chickenfoot
Is that the best response you can muster?
Come on you can do better than that, I love how you avoid saying anything about my post, not that I care I really don't as time after time you show me you have zero hockey sense anyways.

{Ed001's Note - I have been sending your posts over to the Leafs site we have to see the response. Even fellow Leafs fans think your trades are embarrassingly one-sided and amount to little more than trolling. I am not sure you are in any position to criticise someone else's hockey sense.}

19 Jun 2024 19:03:12
I fully respect and very much appreciate the Editor’s comment.

This is a great site, and it is better without an endless daily fill of one poster’s one-sided nonsense.

Onwards and upwards fellow hockey fans👍.

19 Jun 2024 19:45:03
We've pretty much figured out you're craving attention and desperately want validation from people on this page.

If counting the # of "unbelievable" or "disagree"s isn't enough of a hint to you that we have no respect for you and your one-sided, narrow minded posts, maybe seeing an editors reply to this will give you a revelation.

And remember Pinball, its never too late to forget your password and lock yourself out of your account. Cheers to everyone else that keeps this site worthwhile.