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10 Jul 2019 12:59:45
Buffalo Trades

Edmonton Trades

Thoughts ?

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10 Jul 2019 13:28:48
Oilers need wingers. if they trade RnH they need a 2C too.

10 Jul 2019 16:21:34
How does this help the oilers whatsoever? Like come on buddy, you’ve got take the depth chart and team needs into consideration.

10 Jul 2019 19:08:09
I thought you said Risto was as good as Doughty? A franchise dman would help a lot.

10 Jul 2019 19:31:32
When did i say Risto was as good as Doughty? LOLOLOL
vb you are something else buddy, it’s surprising you’ve made it so long in this forum without any reading skills whatsoever.

10 Jul 2019 20:43:30
It was Mantha who said he was as good as Doughty I think.

10 Jul 2019 20:56:10
I never said Risto was as good as Doughty, I said in the likes of Seth Jones, Drew Doughty. That does not mean he's as good.

10 Jul 2019 21:57:27
I apologize for mistaking you as that guy if it’s any consolation you have much more intelligence then him.

10 Jul 2019 22:07:15
Don't worry TY, v is a total goof. Over values everyone on the leafs. Next thing he posts will be a McDavid + trade for Morgan Rielly.

10 Jul 2019 23:45:01
@Swechamp Sheary is a Winger and Draisaitl is there 2nd Line Centre.
So what you are saying doesn't make sense.
Adding Ristolainen is really the Key you build from Goaltender out if done properly.

11 Jul 2019 02:33:34
Lol how do I overvalue everyone on the leafs. Maybe Marner but that’s it.

11 Jul 2019 07:24:38
Eh, I’m not angry for Vb over-valuing players on his team because most people in Toronto are like him. Finding a Toronto fan that values Toronto players fairly is like finding a needle in a haystack.

11 Jul 2019 15:32:01
Ristolainen appears to be heavily overvalued on this site.

10 Jul 2019 12:48:24
Contract Dumps :

To CGY - Fifth Round Draft Pick
To OTT - James Neal, Second Round Draft Pick & Linus Lindström

To CGY - Seventh Round Draft Pick
To COL - Michael Stone & Fourth Round Draft Pick

Quality Trades :

To CGY - T.J Brodie, Sam Bennett & Third Round Draft Pick
To TOR - William Nylander

To CGY - Third Round Draft Pick
To MTL - Michael Frolik

Free Agent Signings :

• Micheal Ferland ( 4.25 @ 4YR )

Starting Lines :

Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Elias Lindholm

Matthew Tkachuk - Mikael Backlund - William Nylander

Dillon Dube - Mark Jankowski - Micheal Ferland

Andrew Mangiapane - Derek Ryan - Austin Czarnik

Mark Giordano - Rasmus Andersson

Noah Hanifin - Travis Hamonic

Juuso Valimaki - Oliver Kylington

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10 Jul 2019 17:32:05
Way too much for nylander.

11 Jul 2019 00:09:30
TJ Bodie sucks. Calgary can keep him. Rasmus Andersson/ Hamonic are the only dman that would entice the leafs.

11 Jul 2019 07:25:13
TJ Brodie does not suck. Solid top 4. PP and a PK guy.

11 Jul 2019 13:37:10
Left hand shot that the leafs don’t need the fact he can play on the right side is redundant.

11 Jul 2019 15:34:34
It cost Leafs a 1st to dump Marleau. I expect it to cost much more to dump Neal.

10 Jul 2019 05:04:12
Mtl- hudon-reilly-2nd pick 2020

La -jeff carter

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10 Jul 2019 21:14:51
Kings say no.

11 Jul 2019 15:41:14
In what universe is Jeff Carter worth a 2nd+? And why on earth would a rebuilding Montreal team want an old man like Carter?

09 Jul 2019 23:59:01
After the most recent trade of Nylander for Jokiharju the Sabres now have Ristolainen, Colin Miller, Jokiharju, Montour And Bogosion with Dahlin,Scandella and McCabe locked in on the left side.

Projected lines





Buffalo- Rasmus Ristolainen

Detroit- Andreas Athanasiou

Buffalo gets a highly skilled forward to help with their depth. Could either take the LW or Center spot.

Detroit- gets a physical PP specialist dman who has the ability to log big minutes. He is the same age as Athanaseau and brings a lot to their blue line.

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10 Jul 2019 01:39:28
Sounds like a ristolainen trade coming up for sure now.

10 Jul 2019 03:04:59
I think Bogosian or McCabe go before Ristolainen

10 Jul 2019 03:05:12
Not bad value aswell

10 Jul 2019 03:27:14
Detroit says no. AA is a 30 goal scorer and is more valuable to Detroit than Risto would be.

10 Jul 2019 05:57:48
Risto > AA.
Defenceman almost always worth more than forwards. Especially a 24year old 6’4” 220lbs 40 point right shot defenceman that is also locked up for 3 years at a pretty good deal.
AA has value, but not Risto’s value.
Also, if this trade somehow does go through Risto will be the best defenceman on the Wings.

10 Jul 2019 06:06:57
@HockeyFanatic @Anybody that refers to Risto as “a huge defensive liability”
Risto isn’t great defensively, but please provide me the stats to prove that he’s “a huge defensive liability”. I’d love to hear that from you.
Just from a 5 second google I can see that he has 44 giveaways while also having 23 takeaways. Not bad for a guy who is according to you is a huge defensive liability.
Also, those are 44 giveaways in 78 games played. (.56 giveaways per game) .
He also has 121 blocked shots and 235 hits in 78 games. (1.5 blocked shots per fame and 3.3 hits a game. )
I’m not arguing that Risto is some stud of a defensive defenceman (because he definitely isn’t) but you don’t know what you’re talking about buddy.
Here’s a reference for you. Drew Doughty had 105 giveaways with only 23 take always. He also doesn’t have nearly as many hits as Risto and Risto has more blocked shots.

10 Jul 2019 11:13:05
Well, there you have it gents. Risto is better than Doughty.

Kind of makes you wonder why all the Buffalo fans are itching to trade him because he’s a defensive liability.

10 Jul 2019 12:27:14
TyBa4 come on it only takes a quick search to look at his advanced statistics and they’re along the lines of Cody Ceci and actually worse in some categories he obviously has value but he is not a top pairing guy on a playoff team. Number 3 at best. Also saying Risto being the best dman on the wings isn't an accomplishment Green is debatably just as good although regressing their Dcore is very young and largely unproven.

@Seanmoneyhands. Well Risto is apart of the losing culture in buffalo and his role as a top pp player takes away opportunities for Dahlin. Risto should go somewhere where he can play on the top PP and that is certainly not Buffalo with Dahlin. Once they traded for Montour his fate was sealed IMO. His time in Buffalo is nearing an end.

10 Jul 2019 13:08:49
Tyba4. As far as I’m concerned blocked shots and hits can show toughness but also a lack of defensive skill. The best way to not get scored on is to retrieve to puck and get it out of your zone, blocking a bunch of shots means you are giving up a bunch of shots, you’re just willing to get in the way every now and then. It’s the same argument against Russell. Same with hits, you’re only hitting if the other team has the puck. Effective Defense is about shot prevention, high danger chance prevention, and puck retrieval. You can block and hit and be a good Defencemen but if that’s what you’re pointing to to show someone isn’t bad, they’re probably bad.

10 Jul 2019 14:30:03
You really can't compare defensive stats and get a good reading on who's better then who. Every category you have high stats in such as hits and blocked shots can be considered good or bad. a low giveaway amount could just mean a player doesn't carry the puck much. It's tough to get a read on dman using any stats as most dman play against different competition as well. Risto numbers are based on him being on a bad team with him usually playing against other teams top lines. I'd like to see where he stacks up playing 2nd pair minutes or with a good defensive dman on his line.

10 Jul 2019 16:35:12
Oh my god, it’s like you completely decided to ignore when I said that Risto isn’t great or good defensively and just decided to spin your own thing.
the point I was trying to make is that Risto isn’t a huge defensive liability AS STATED IN THE FIRST 2 SENTENCES.
Never have I said he was better than Doughty defensively, all I asked for is some statistics to back up the “huge defensive liability” claim and provided counter stats of my own.
As a 6’4 220 defenceman Risto does his job using his size to block shots and hit. “Blocking a bunch of shots means giving up a bunch of shots” well, yeah. Buffalo gives up a bunch of shots because it’s Buffalo. Russell and Risto aren’t in the same category because Risto can be classified as an offensive defenceman and Russell, well, is Russell. Since he’s an offensive defenceman that moves the puck up the ice, the number of turn overs is important as it demonstrates how well he can get a rush started and how good his passing accuracy is. When he has the puck, he doesn’t give it up a lot.
AGAIN, I’m not saying Risto is better than Doughty. What that reference is supposed to show you is how good Risto’s stats really are compared to a top 10 defenceman in the league. We all know that Doughty > Risto, it was just a reference to put perspective on Risto’s stats. As stated above.
“A low giveaway amount can mean the player doesn’t carry the puck as much”. See, that would apply to a defensive defenceman and not a 40-45 point offensive defenceman on a crappy team. If he scores 40+ points, he carries the puck. Risto is a PP QB for the Sabres.
Last statement I completely agree with, Risto is stuck on a bad team and constantly going against the best players for 22+ minutes a game. He’s on the PP and the PK at times.

10 Jul 2019 16:38:18
Can’t believe I have to clarify this for you, when I said Risto would be the best defenceman on the wings it was clearly a response to HockeyFanatic saying AA would be more valuable to the Wings than Risto will be. Which is just ridiculous.
I’d rather have a fringe top 2 defenceman than a 50
point forward.

10 Jul 2019 18:47:20
I was speaking in general terms tyba I wasn't really referring to what you said.

10 Jul 2019 19:13:48
His potential is higher then 50 points and let's not forget he scored 30 goals. Buffalo needs scoring depth more then they need Risto.

10 Jul 2019 19:32:18
Ah, my bad then.

10 Jul 2019 19:52:49
It’s the same with Risto as Russell when talking about their defensive acumen and pointing to blocked shots as evidence they aren’t really that bad. I wasn’t comparing them as overall players. Blocked shots inherently will be higher for guys that give up more, blocked shot % would be something more useful. The metrics aren’t where I want them to be but I can tell you that the only defencman with a worse shots for/ against ratio 5 on 5 on Buffalo was Scandella and Risto was on the ice over 100 more 5 on 5 shots against than any other D man on the team. I’m not sure it’s Because he’s on Buffalo, I’m not convinced that defensively he isn’t part of the problem.

10 Jul 2019 20:57:59

10 Jul 2019 21:01:55
Buffalo's team corsi is 5% less with him on the ice. That should be a warning sign. Blocked shot is just a sign of the puck being in your own zone too much. Ristolainen possession stats are bad. he's been in a bad spot trying to be a #1 but 2nd line de he might be good.

10 Jul 2019 21:43:12
Anyone else not like advanced stats? This argument proves it all. He has bad advanced stats then when he gets traded and excels people will say he just got better. Nope he’s a good D being used above his skill. I’d take him on the Oilers 100% if he goes as cheap as this site thinks.

10 Jul 2019 21:59:23
Well Barrie out produces him on a yearly bases so I’m pretty sure that’s False.

10 Jul 2019 23:04:24
@ebs I'd take him on the habs too in a heartbeat all these advanced stats can tell you some important things about players a lot of times but for a defenceman they don't really show close to everything. Imo he's a good 2nd pair dman who was forced to be a number 1 dman on a crappy team. players who are in that situation rarely look good.

10 Jul 2019 23:42:31
We get it Mantha, all leaf players suck in your opinion.

09 Jul 2019 23:38:36
Buffalo Trades

Toronto Trades
Borgman (AHL)

Thoughts ?

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09 Jul 2019 23:52:00
Maybe ristolainen has been in the wrong situation and could thrive in toronto but as of now think this is good value wise.

09 Jul 2019 23:52:51
Pinball. make an offer that is somewhat close please. And I am a leaf fan.

10 Jul 2019 03:29:13
Ristolainen is huge defensive liability. Leafs need a defensive defenseman, not another right shot version of Jake Gardiner.

10 Jul 2019 12:46:01
Ok how about Marner for SReinhart and Ristolainen.
Is that fair people?

10 Jul 2019 16:55:13
Leafs add on your second trade Pinball and on the first one too.

09 Jul 2019 23:37:25
To TOR - Rasmus Andersson, Sam Bennett & Fourth Round Draft Pick

To CGY - William Nylander

(All of Leafs Defencemen's contracts end 2020 except Rielly, so they are going to need some cap space to resign key players)

To OTT - James Neal, Second Round Draft Pick, Oliver Kylington & Linus Lindström

To CGY - Third Round Draft Pick

(Ottawa gets a veteran presence who can bounce back offensively this season, a solid SHL prospect, a young top 6 defencemen who could turn out to be top 4, and a draft pick to help their rebuild)

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09 Jul 2019 23:59:20
Are people getting less crazy lately? Seen some different actually decent proposals. Was going to say need a 1st to rid of neal but think kylington is a good young defenseman. don't know a lot about lindstrom but would think itd have to be a little something better piece.

10 Jul 2019 00:02:18
That is a deal I’d trade Nylander for Rasmus Andersson is a piece the leafs could really use. Nylander would look unreal with Guadreau and Monahan or on the 2nd line either as Center or wing. Also in before DetroitMantha rips Nylander apart saying he’s overpaid and has negative value.

10 Jul 2019 01:16:59
Are you confident in Nylanders ability to play centre VB? I think it would be an easy yes if Calgary has plans for him to be 2nd line center. Lindholm was already unreal next to Gaudreau and Monohan.

10 Jul 2019 10:15:53
It’s a pretty steep downgrade from Nylander to Bennett. I’m not sure andersson fills the gap. Andersson would only be third pairing on the Leafs. Losing a top line winger for a third line center / winger and a depth defenseman doesn’t make a lot of sense for Leafs.

10 Jul 2019 12:41:51
HockeyFanatic actually Rasmus Andersson is better then Cody Ceci he’d probably go on a line with Morgan Rielly and Muzzin and Barrie would be a line with Dermotte and Cody Ceci on the bottom pairing.

10 Jul 2019 16:58:06
VB, I never said Nylander has negative value, even if he is about 1.5 million overpaid, he does have value. He's a pernial 60 point guy on a good offensive team getting 7+ million. That's screams overpaid.

10 Jul 2019 17:17:30
Mantha, . You can't say anything is perenial when a player is young.

10 Jul 2019 17:18:56
Up until 2 years ago MacKinnon was a perenial 50 to 60 point man by your theory. And no, I am not saying Nylander is as good as MacKinnon.

10 Jul 2019 19:15:23
Yes I am confident Nylander can be an effective Center atleast better then Backlund. He’s a little bit similar to Duchene.

10 Jul 2019 21:22:36
I wouldn't trade Bennett straight for nylander. Yes nylander can get points with Matthews. Barely going by last year. Bennett has accepted his shut down role and is good at it. he's kinda like rnh in he's put in a defensive role but can get points if he was playing with top players. Bennett can fight, hit. So much more than points to figure in.

13 Jul 2019 01:09:00
I agree with shootsmcgee. The flames need to add to Bennett’s grit not trade it away. The flames need to dump some of these bad contracts not add more. Nylander is a big no for me.

09 Jul 2019 23:33:59
Edmonton Trades

Toronto Trades

Thoughts ?

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09 Jul 2019 23:55:06
Not good at all for Toronto. Hyman is way to important for Toronto. Worth more than a #6 dman.

10 Jul 2019 00:02:59
Babcock would probably have a heart attack.

10 Jul 2019 00:03:13
I think it's even but don't know if Edmonton can afford to lose a defenseman but also need forward help. They in a tough situation. Maybe if Bouchard or others are nhl ready could be a good idea.

10 Jul 2019 01:19:45
Yeah it’s pretty sad but losing Benning would make the weak right side even weaker.
Is Hyman all that great? Does he not play mostly with Matthews. Maroon had 40 points playing with McDavid and I knew he didn’t hold a ton of value.

10 Jul 2019 03:39:17
Leafs could have had Bennett at the deadline for Brown, but Leafs said no. I can’t see them trading Hyman for Benning either.

10 Jul 2019 06:07:32
You have zero clue if that’s true or not HockeyFanatic.

10 Jul 2019 12:34:30
Hyman=Wayne Gretzky in his prime in Babcocks eyes.

His value is probably a late 1st he’s better and younger then Maroon was he’s not a star or anything special he just does his job and does it very well.

10 Jul 2019 19:38:00
Im sorry VB I’d just like to confirm that you said Hyman’s value is a late first?

09 Jul 2019 22:18:42
Edmonton Oilers:

- Tyler Toffoli (RW) {4.6M 1yr}

LA Kings:

- Jesse Puljujarvi

- Matt Benning (RD) {1.9M 1yr}

Helps both teams.
LA Kings shed salary and get a potentially high reward prospect and depth on defence.
Kings currently have Matt Roy and LaDue who are borderline NHLers playing on their right side.
Benning has the NHL experience and could potentially benefit from a change of scenery. Cheap and short contract too.
Toffoli will look to give his career a fresh start as in the last 2 seasons the forward he struggled. (81P in 164GP, 34 points last season.).
Oilers get a winger to help RHN.

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10 Jul 2019 03:41:43
LA says no I’m sure. Toffoli is far superior to Puljujarvi and Benning doesn’t make up the difference.

10 Jul 2019 06:09:07
Toffoli had 30 something points last season. I think if Puljujärvi played a full and healthy season he can definitely reach 30 points.
You don’t know hockey if you say he can’t.
Matt Benning will become their second best right shot defenceman.

10 Jul 2019 06:10:13
Toffoli is 27 and has had one good season (58P) and two decent (47,49). His career average is 46P a season. I think he would be worth it for sure but he could be one of those guys that goes for a lot cheaper than expected.

09 Jul 2019 21:10:29
Alex Nylander for Henri Jokiharju.
High risk high reward for the Blackhawks.

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09 Jul 2019 22:22:46
Fun fact:
Although being a defenceman and younger than Alex Nylander, Jokiharju has scored more points than Nylander in the NHL and has a higher PPG than Nylander in the AHL.

09 Jul 2019 22:24:34
Yep to early to say for sure but I never in a million years make this deal from a hawks perspective at this time. Maybe they saw more in Nylander then I have I guess.

09 Jul 2019 22:31:48
Good deal for both teams.

09 Jul 2019 22:34:12
I agree, Buffalo won this trade big time if Alex Nylander become anything less then his brother. Problem is he's 1 year younger and hasn't done much professionally so the trade looks very one sided for Buffalo.

09 Jul 2019 23:38:23
I wasnt happy when I heard this. jokiharu is the most nhl ready prospect on defense and easy top 4 potential. I'm guessing bowman is hoping for a strome like resurgence and if that happens it's a good trade. But right now seems buffalo won this trade.

10 Jul 2019 03:46:34
Bowman’s job is on the line. This appears to be a trade made out of desperation. He can’t trade Seabrook or Keith and has Boqvist, so Jokiharju becomes expendable. Hawks roll the dice up front with Nylander.

10 Jul 2019 04:05:39
I’m just glad because this raised Puljujarvi’s value by a lot.
Puljujärvi has more value than Nylander and he got a B+ defensive prospect. Before we were talking about Puljujärvi getting a third liner.

09 Jul 2019 20:24:13
To Montréal: Tyson Jost and Connor Timmins

To Colorado: Jonathan Drouin

Montreal gets enough money to pursuit a big guns in RFA offer and get a young center and defence

Colorado get Drouin and have 2 solid line
Drouin Mackinnon Rantanen
Landeskog Kadri Donskoi or nieto or Burakovski.

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09 Jul 2019 20:44:44
If MTL can get that for Drouin, I'm all for it. Drouin does have a good contract so I see why he would have a lot of value but that seems like a lot for him. Buy if Colorado really wants to reunite Drouin to Mackinon, they might do it.

09 Jul 2019 21:44:19
I don’t mind the trade I just feel COL acquired Burakovsky to be in the top 6. I think they went from not having a 2nd line to having a really solid top 6.

09 Jul 2019 22:25:37
I’d actually like to see how Timmons comes back after missing the whole season first.

09 Jul 2019 22:33:05
Replace Timmons with a 2nd then it’s not bad. Timmons looks like he’s going to be a solid top 4 dman doubt Colorado moves him.

09 Jul 2019 23:21:38
No from Colorado. I think Drouin has a ton of untapped skill and potential yet but Timmins if he can stay healthy could be s top pairing d man and jost might not have as high a ceiling as Drouin but won’t be far off, not to mention their age and controllability. Think it’s just too much from Colorado.

10 Jul 2019 03:49:14
Timmins is a head case. Talk about Ekblad and his concussions, Timmins is worse. Jost hasn’t done much of anything. Drouin is worth much more than this.


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