NHL rumours 6

11 Jul 2024 13:01:19
Big trade between Toronoto and Edmonton.

EDM - Marner, Robertson and Liljegren

TOR: Draisaitl

12 Jul 2024 02:51:26
Wow…no….

12 Jul 2024 20:10:12
Edmonton front office: "Dude, dude. you're not going to believe the call I just got from Toronto. lol. it's hilarious. "

21 Jul 2024 06:09:27
In a crazy world that they both say they're not resigning a both teams decide to trade them, Toronto sends a first, a top prospect with the rest of that.

09 Jul 2024 19:41:05
Lilijgren, Timmons & mid-prospect for Vatrano.

Marner & Robertson for Crouse, Guenther & 1st round pick.

Kulak for Harvey-Pinard & 5th round pick.

Leafs sign Shattenkirk $2.5/yr
Oilers sign Suter $1.3/yr

09 Jul 2024 21:35:32
Guenther isn’t going anywhere, he is gonna be a steady 40 goal guy.
Not sure if Anaheim would want that as a return
Habs want kulak back? Do not think so
Don’t see any of this happening.

09 Jul 2024 23:33:43
Nashan
Who is the elite player in this proposal with Utah and who is just about to hit his prime?
Marner was a Top 5 RWinger in points last season and has consistently been a top ELITE player for more than a few years now.
Why are you making Marner out as an average player constantly?
Truthfully Treliving would want more than that package as Guenther is going to be good but not anywhere in the same class as Marner.

10 Jul 2024 14:09:52
I’m not making him out as average. I’m stating that Utah is keeping Guenther. I will add that elite should only be thrown at players that win.

10 Jul 2024 19:56:48
Nashan
So Marcel Dionne and Gilbert Perreault weren't elite players?

10 Jul 2024 23:47:04
You are putting marner in with them? Don’t think so.

10 Jul 2024 23:49:54
Do you even watch anyone else other than the leafs? Doesn’t seem like it.

11 Jul 2024 00:38:13
Nashan
My point is Dionne and Gilbert Perreault never won a Cup.
If you think Marner won't be in The HOF after he retires you are also delusional.
Marner is an elite forward.

11 Jul 2024 01:56:52
Then why trade him?

11 Jul 2024 02:53:07
Marner does better in playoffs than Dionne. ( I think, he was retired before I was born) . Why would the leafs trade a super star? Because they have 3 super stars and Tavares making 45 million.

11 Jul 2024 15:46:38
Dionne actually slightly higher points per game. Funny you say leafs have 4 superstars. You think if they were actually superstars they would have achieved something. Tavares contract done next year, so I say again if he is that good you think try to keep him at all cost. Lol.

11 Jul 2024 18:42:05
Dude let’s say Edmonton had Makar, Mackinnon, Paniran, McDavid, Bedard and a prime Wayne Gretzky. How are they going to keep all of them under the cap? Super stars are expensive and you need depth.

13 Jul 2024 14:59:02
the issue isn't having a lot of superstars. it is overpaying 2 of them before they deserved it.

09 Jul 2024 01:56:50
Wpg Trade Ehlers ans Mcgroarty

Mtl Trade Dvorak 1 st Pick protect top 3 and Mailloux or Hutson.

09 Jul 2024 02:24:17
The Jets aren't taking back a cap dump in an Ehlers or McGroarty trade.

True North wouldn't be interested in Mailloux due to his character issues.

I can't see Montreal trading Hutson.

10 Jul 2024 14:42:47
Too much from MTL. they don't need Ehlers in their rebuild. Ehlers should be somewhere contending now at 28.

11 Jul 2024 18:56:18
Winnipeg definitely takes back a cap dump if this is offered.

26 Jul 2024 12:25:57
There's a pretty significant difference in value between Hutson and Mailloux. I'm sure the jets would be interested in a 1 for 1 deal (Mcgroarty for Hutson) but I doubt MTL would agree

08 Jul 2024 19:45:35
SJ Trades
Future Considerations

Toronto Trades
Kampf*
NRobertson (RFA)

*Kampf will have to waive his NTC to complete the transaction.



With Cap being an issue with Toronto Kampf imo is the one that has to go, you have to add NRobertson for The Sharks to take on Kampf's remaining 3 years.



Thoughts ?

08 Jul 2024 21:48:23
What cap issue? The leafs can run a 22 man roster and be under the cap. Just can’t run 23 players.

08 Jul 2024 22:10:44
Not enough from the leafs. Thoughts, my senators had to shed a 3rd to send joseph packing. 27 year old joseph, a 35 point man with a Stanley cup ring and 2 years left at 2.9
Kampf at 29 years old, a 19 point man with 3 years left at 2.5 would need something other than a disgruntled RFA forward who requested a trade. The sharks would want better compensation for taking on a contract that the leafs had no problems giving out to the guy just one year ago.

09 Jul 2024 02:50:06
Facelift39
NRobertson to start had only 8 points less in 16 fewer games, why are you focused on Kampf only? NRobertson is the prize for SJ and better than Joseph hands down as well as 5 years younger.
Prime example of focusing on one player when it comes to Leaf proposals.
Why would SJ want a 22 year old winger who is only getting better in your thinking.
Plus Joseph makes more than Kampf not a lot more but more regardless.
SJ isn't giving up anything for 2 NHL Players with NRobertson in the Top 6 on SJ.

09 Jul 2024 02:52:09
Vbb
Incorrect as DeWar isn't signed yet and they don't have enough Cap for DeWar.

09 Jul 2024 05:44:57
Right well that’s depends on how much he signs for. The obvious choice to go is Timmons.

09 Jul 2024 11:41:05
Detroit had to give San Jose a 2nd round pick to dump Walmans $3.4m contract.

Robertson has no trade value, in your own proposals you've gone from using Robertson as the main piece of trades to try and get Zegras, Chychrun and many others.

Now you're saying he's a throwaway to dump Kampfs contract. Figure it out pinball. Add a 2nd round draft pick and stop being such a crybaby when people give you a reality check on how these cap dump trades work.

09 Jul 2024 18:25:12
Robertson, a 2-way player with 27 points and 5 seasons under his belt does not hold the value you are suggesting. an NHL top 6? 😂 😂 😂.

09 Jul 2024 18:50:20
DRW. thanks for bringing some hockey sense to this thread once again. YEESH! Yep, SJ is going to take on bad leaf contracts for absolutely nothing (aka "future considerations". )

10 Jul 2024 04:26:27
Chickenfoot
didn't Dallas just trade Faska to The Blues for future considerations and didn't have to add anything?
You going to tell me Faska and Kampf aren't comparable?
Oh right only if Faska was a Leaf then no team will take on that contract.
You do realize your bias is obvious right?
I don't mind people disagreeing with me that's part of the site, but accept mine when you get it back without insults, unless you are an adolescent and have obvious growing up to do, your responses are usually very immature.

12 Jul 2024 03:01:17
PINBALl…absolutely hilarious. (and without even trying. )

- you ask me to accept your feedback, and reply without insults.

- then you insult by saying, AND I QUOTE: “unless you are an adolescent and have obvious growing up to do, your responses are usually very immature”.

You just can’t make this stuff up, so I think I’ll let your words say it all. WELL PLAYED! YOU’RE DOING GREAT👍😂.

12 Jul 2024 19:58:00
Chickenfoot
That was my sarcasm at the end.
I said it because I knew you would point it out lol.

07 Jul 2024 15:59:43
Possibly off the wall trade proposal.
WPG
Ehlers
CAL
Sharangovich
2025-3Rd.

Sharangovich may not bring the offence that Ehlers can. But he did have a good season and he brings more grit than Ehlers and better defensively. Also he can play all three forward positions. May need work on face offs tho.
Many would see this as more of a lateral move. But I feel it brings more options.

07 Jul 2024 17:21:28
I think the Flames will stick with Sharongovic. I beleive they also just re-signed him to a new long term deal.

07 Jul 2024 19:23:47
Calgary just extended Sharangovich, they're not trading him.

08 Jul 2024 14:12:00
I agree that it doesn't look like they will trade him given the extension, but you never know. remember Dubois.

08 Jul 2024 18:25:24
He quietly had a solid season. What’s sharangovichs deal i admittedly don’t know a lot about him who is he as a player? Something like a Zacha?

09 Jul 2024 01:08:09
I had no idea that Sharangovich just signed an extension. Never checked. My bad.

07 Jul 2024 00:48:21
Just read an article about WPG Ehlers.
That 2 main teams showing interest.
Carolina and NYI.
Just talked about trade with NYI
WPG
Ehlers
NYI
Pageau
Prospect
Draft pick.

If this is the case I would go after
Dufour
Or
Eiserman
Possibly Holmstrom.

Carolina trade would be tough.
WPG
Ehlers
CAR
Necas.
I don't think would work. Be nice but it's a no.

WPG would love Jarvis. But Carolina is not trading him.
Maybe Ehlers and McGoarty for Jarvis and Drury. But IDK.

07 Jul 2024 02:37:29
Pageau obviously doesn't worth since he's a cap dump and wouldn't waive for Winnipeg anyways.

They're not trading Eiserman and Dufour and Holmstrom are throw in, low value pieces that don't give Winnipeg anything they need.

Carolina isn't trading Jarvis and Necas is a lateral move basically for a player with only 2 years to UFA that will be more expensive than Ehlers next year.

07 Jul 2024 03:28:45
Personally I didn’t like the Pageau trade. Exactly what you said. Salary dump case scenario. Pageau is good, mostly defensive, which Jets already have Lowry and Namestnikov.
The Jets needs are a 2C and more help on defence. Preferably top 4D and RD.

07 Jul 2024 04:10:19
Agree. The only piece from the Islanders that makes sense is Pulock and I don't see that happening.

08 Jul 2024 16:01:26
gotta love these guys that presume a player won't waive a no trade. what is the basis of your argument? is it because you don't like Winnipeg?

06 Jul 2024 20:21:59
WPG
Ehlers
McGoarty
Pionk
SEA
Wright
Kartye
Borgen

06 Jul 2024 20:56:31
Other than Wright, who Seattle isn't trading the other two pieces do nothing for Winnipeg or fill any needs.

06 Jul 2024 21:19:07
Hey memarcusjoe why haven’t you ever made any trade proposals on here? All you do is criticize everyone else’s proposals. Grant it that a lot of the times what you say makes sense. You are an intelligent guy, But it’s easy to criticize. But why won’t YOU make a trade proposal? Scared of being criticized yourself?
You have answers to a lot of trade proposals but no example proposals.
Like to know what you would do if you were a NHL GM.
This isn’t to criticize you or be negative in any way. Like I said earlier. I think you are pretty intelligent guy. Just would like to know what you are thinking or would do in certain situations. Like McGoarty or/ & Ehlers trade? .
As far as above trade.
Brogen gives size on Right side.
Kartye young and gritty
I agree with you on Wright but if so it would take a lot to get him.

06 Jul 2024 21:39:23
McGroarty > Wright
Pionk > Borgen
Ehlers >> Kartye.

06 Jul 2024 22:14:54
I've done them in the past, but I don't really find them all that much fun.

I prefer discussing trade ideas that are out there or might actually happen.

The only player rumor wise that makes sense for Ehlers is Pulock. However, he's likely not available and wouldn't waive for Winnipeg. So until something changes there's not much to discuss.

McGroarty I think won't be moved anytime soon.

06 Jul 2024 22:31:42
Lol. Nice trade Ebsolutely!
I like it.

07 Jul 2024 16:03:28
No way McGority is better then Wright.

07 Jul 2024 17:23:53
Not better but more value. I should’ve looked at ages because I didn’t realize there the same age. Wright has done a lot at 20 so I’m wrong I’d rather Wright.

06 Jul 2024 19:49:22
Toronto, Robertson
Dallas, 6th round pick

Toronto, Lilljegren
San Jose, 7th round pick

Toronto, Kempf
Anaheim, future considerations.

07 Jul 2024 05:17:10
Nice to see a realistic Robertson and Lilly trade on here for a change👍.

07 Jul 2024 14:05:17
Anaheim says no.

07 Jul 2024 16:04:27
Lily will be 2nd pair with OEL.

06 Jul 2024 16:12:39
Detroit Trades
Rasmussen

SJ Trades
Granland


Thoughts ?

06 Jul 2024 18:35:43
I doubt Detroit has any interest in Granland, and do seem to like Rasmussen. Zero chance this happens.

06 Jul 2024 19:53:20
lago
With Detroit having resigned Patrick Kane and signing Tarasenko at RW, and Raymond and DeBrincat on LW, they have a great top 6 at Wing but besides Larkin they need a second line Centre, Granlund would fit perfectly on the top 6 as for Rasmussen Detroit has Copp, Motte, Compher that fill the same type of player, I have to disagree with you about Detroit not wanting Granlund.

06 Jul 2024 21:54:03
Granland is not an upgrade at #2C over Compher. Nope, no thank you.

06 Jul 2024 22:05:06
lago
Granland adds to the top 6 and Compher drops to the 3rd line with Copp making Detroit better overall, my proposal keeps Compher on Detroit not trading him away.

07 Jul 2024 03:15:40
Rasmussen is a 25 year old drafted and developed 6 foot 6 top 9 forward whose signed for 3 more years after this for a $3.2m aav.

He's significantly better for his role compared to 32 year old Granlund, a $5m pending UFA playing on his 3rd NHL team in the last 2 years.

07 Jul 2024 03:20:19
I'll take Rasmussen over Granland every day and twice on Sunday. Don't want Granland, don't need Granland, he adds zero to the Red Wings.

07 Jul 2024 04:32:53
lago
So Detroit doesn't want almost a point a game Centre in Granlund?
Detroit has plenty of prospects the reason Kane and Tarasenko were signed because The Red Wings are ready to take the next step, is Detroit better this upcoming season with Rasmussen or Granland?
That's actually an easy answer.

07 Jul 2024 13:29:15
Yes, it is.

Rasmussen - 25 years old, 6'6", 220lb, Cap hit $3.2M
Detroits most physical forward

Granland - 32 years old, 5'10", 185lb, Cap hit $5M
No upgrade over Compher, pushes Detroit
over the salary Cap after Seider, Raymond,
Veleno and Bergrren are signed, causing the
need for another salary dump.

No thank you. But I will propose this - To Detroit, Granland,
$2M retained, to SJ, Husso, no retention.

08 Jul 2024 14:43:53
You're way out of your depth pretending to know anything about the Red Wings pinball.

If Granlund is so good maybe you should offer Liljegren and Robertson for him to the Leafs. :)

06 Jul 2024 14:43:03
WPG
McGoarty
TOR
Robertson

WPG
Ehlers
BOS
Poitras
Frederic

06 Jul 2024 14:55:24
Winnipeg isn't selling that low on McGroarty.

Boston isn't trading Poitras.

06 Jul 2024 16:20:12
Don’t you think it’s hard to properly grade someone (McGoarty) who has never played in the NHL?
What is his value?

06 Jul 2024 18:10:40
He's a top prospect that is in high demand, so he must be pretty good.

Are you contending that all of the 24 draft picks have little value because they haven't played in the NHL yet? I think NHL GM's disagree with you.

06 Jul 2024 19:04:13
That is NOT what I was implying. What I was saying is that it’s really hard to put proper value on players that never played in the NHL. That doesn’t mean they have no to little value! Think about Patrik Stefan went first overall or Yakupov or Daigle. Highly valued prospects. But didn’t amount to what was expected or thought they would.
I do think McGoarty’s game and style will translate well in the NHL. But there is no guarantee.
He is a high rated prospect. So trading him would be hard, cause value. How does he value to other teams. What are they going to give up? What are the Jets expecting to get?
I throw trades out in here for fun. That’s it.

06 Jul 2024 19:51:10
Okay. Well you asked, so I wasn't sure. He'd be evaluated just like any other prospect so it seemed like a superfluous comment to rationalize your offers.

The Jets will either look for a similar aged and skilled prospect or a young NHL ready player that fills a need.

We'll probably need to wait until at least the TDL to find out.

06 Jul 2024 20:43:18
One way to gauge a players value if you’re not overly familiar with them is Capfriendly.

McGroarty isn’t on there yet since he’s not under contract, but Robertson is, and he’s rated as a 79 / 3rd liner.

Given that McGroarty is highly sought after, you could reasonably assume you wouldn’t get him with Robertson.

06 Jul 2024 20:59:57
Thanks Chickenfoot.

07 Jul 2024 05:20:23
Have a good one Muzza👍.

06 Jul 2024 14:31:38
Carolina Trades
Necas

Winnipeg Trades
Ehlers


Makes sense to me for both teams.


Thoughts ?

06 Jul 2024 14:57:19
I don't think Chevy will use his best trade chip for two years of a player that is a lateral move and will be more expensive than Ehlers next year.

06 Jul 2024 15:49:44
I think WPG would have to add. But I also think Necas next contract would be higher than Ehlers. So as a financial standpoint, I think WPG would decline.
Even tho it would be nice addition for WPG.