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04 Jul 2024 18:11:15
EDM:
- 2025 2nd
- 2026 1st
- Kulak
MTL:
- Carey Price contract (2 years left @ 10.5M)
. EDM gets 2 years of major LTIR space to help with the last year of the James Neal buyout plus the first two years of the Campbell buyout. (3.016M this coming season, and 2.3M next season.)
. EDM sheds the final two years of Kulak to become cap compliant before the new season, with a chance to upgrade via trade with the extra cap space.)
. MTL absorbs the Kulak deal with an eye on flipping him for a pick or prospect before camp.
. MTL doesn't require the Price contract's LTIR space at this point in their rebuild, and turns it into assets for the future.
. Price has already said he's cool with MTL flipping his contract for assets if required.
. If EDM doesn't want to pay the price, a team like VGK, VCR or FLA will be tempted.
1.) 04 Jul 2024 22:35:57
Montreal would be the scummiest team to trade LTIR for assets. On top of the disservice it does to Price.
2.) 04 Jul 2024 23:37:56
CROZIER: not sure how closely you follow hockey, but MTL would hardly be the first team to trade an LTIR contract. A few off the top of my head would include Zetterberg, Pronger and Datsyuk.
Chris Pronger even made a joke about his HHOF induction saying that he might go in as a Coyote?
As for Price, he’s already said he’d be cool with it, which I already mentioned. Here’s his exact quote:
“Everybody here knows hockey is a business, and money management and cap space is part of that, ” Price said. “I’m going to be a Montreal Canadien for the rest of my life and I’m very proud of that. I’m willing to help this team in any aspect, whatever the team has to do. If they have to move money to make this team better, I’m here to help in any way I can. ”.
3.) 05 Jul 2024 12:17:16
This trade only saves the oilers the 2.75M of Kulaks contract. Being over the cap from LTIR isn’t a benefit to teams, it makes it so you don’t accumulate cap space throughout the season. Easy no from Oil.
4.) 05 Jul 2024 12:18:44
I like the idea of this Chickenfoot.
5.) 05 Jul 2024 12:59:48
EBS: trading a contract like Kulak would let EDM start the season compliant, and therefore max out the LTIR benefit in-season and acquire additional salary as they will likely want to do.
Here’s a link to the TAM-DET trade of Zetterberg’s LTIR cap hit that is helpful in understanding the very real cap benefits for EDM.
A 1st and 2nd is a steep price, but one a Cup contender like EDM would definitely consider very worthwhile, especially given the combined buyout cap hits of Neal & Cambell in this crucial upcoming season.
6.) 06 Jul 2024 21:53:09
This trade would take the Oil from say 88.75M down to 86M. And now have 10M on LTIR making it harder for them to accrue cap space and add at the deadline. They’d only lose 2.75M in salary counting towards the cap. They don’t gain 10M from Price. There is no chance they’d trade a 1st and 2nd to dump Kulak. Kulak isn’t a bad contract.
19 Jun 2024 19:07:56
Congratulations to both CGY & LA fans.
- CGY: great haul for Markstrom.
- LAK: congrats on dumping PLD and possibly finding a goalie. Regardless if Kuemper works out, you're MUCH better off without PLD.
Nice work CGY & LAK! (Good luck NJ & WSH.you'll need it.)
1.) 19 Jun 2024 20:34:26
Chickenfoot
So for The Leafs to get Saros it would probably take Benoit and a 1st Rounder 2026 (Lottery Protected), if you were to compare the Markstrom trade.
Yet didn't you agree it would take Marner plus to get Saros?
What I am trying to get at is again teams don't trade major assets in trades like you keep trying to say, that's about right for Markstrom and and not surprised at all at the price tag, including Calgary eating part of the contract.
Today was a prime example of what I have said all along.
2.) 19 Jun 2024 21:01:18
I can't believe that LA gave up on PLD so fast. Although, I don't know why they traded for him in the first place.
3.) 19 Jun 2024 23:29:26
- Saros will be in demand.
- Markstrom “can” be good, but no one knows which version of him will show up in Jersey, so the Devils are taking more of a risk.
- Marner, if he waives, would be a 1-year asset. Why give up hard assets for that if you’re Nashville? The Preds are rebuilding.
- Also, with Marners’ almost 11M ticket, he’s a huge cap hit, so you’re trading him at pennies on the dollar. He’s of no use to a contender, and no use to a rebuilding team. Like you said, he probably won’t move, right?
I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to grasp any of this, but hockey informed hockey fans will.
4.) 19 Jun 2024 23:30:31
Pinball: Saros (29 years old) isn't Markstrom (34 years old) and Benoit (25 years old) isn't Bahl (23 years old) .
And everyone here can agree Conroy still got the worse end of that trade.
But go off on your "I was right because I said I was right" tantrum.
5.) 20 Jun 2024 01:07:02
Just curious Pinball, do you consider Markstrom and Saros to be the same calibre goalie?
6.) 20 Jun 2024 01:17:31
To say Marner has no value to a contender is dumber than anything pinball has ever said. Look at the UFA market for an example contenders overpay for stupid contracts all the time that are far worse than Marner. Also IF the leafs aren’t willing to retain after they pay his bonus the actual cash value of the contract is low meaning the team will only pay him a fraction of his cap hit. Not 100% sure but I think it’s like 3mil, so 3rd party retention to a team that needs to reach the floor like San Jose for an example wouldn’t cost all that much if that’s needed to facilitate a trade.
7.) 20 Jun 2024 10:48:03
“To say Marner has no value to a contender is dumber than anything pinball has ever said. “
Wow.
- why would a contender want a whiney player like Marner? Because of his record of outstanding achievement in the playoffs? Because he’s such a great teammate?
- Marner has nothing that contenders are looking for, and his salary precludes him from most contenders.
Stay classy VB. Looking forward to your next insulting and head-scratching post.
8.) 20 Jun 2024 13:04:35
Marner has value to a contender at the deadline, but if he gets dealt at the deadline it will be a devastatingly low return for the Leafs.
He's a good player with 50P in 57 playoff games. Not great when you look at what he makes and the level he plays at during the regular season, but not bad either. His recent playoff performance hurt his value for sure.
I doubt he gets dealt. Likely finishes the year and heads to FA. 2025 free agency class has the potential to be scary good. I know I would rather enter that free agency with north of $20mill in cap space then bring back Marner at North of $10mill a year.
9.) 20 Jun 2024 23:35:04
Before Mathew Tkachuk was moved to the panthers he was despite being “playoff style player” was awful offensively for a player of his caliber and on top that he took stupid penalties that lost his team 2 or 3 games in the playoffs. Look at what a change of scenery did for him. I’m not sure if you’re trolling but you sound foolish. Respectfully. There isn’t even a comparable to players who consistently produce 90-100 point paces because they aren’t traded.
You rambled for years that the leafs were going to trade Mathews then once he resigned you went to Nylander now it’s Marner. Not one of your predictions have ever been accurate. I’d say you’re up there with Pinball for the worst takes on this site.
05 Mar 2024 16:12:52
EDM Trades:
- Jack Campbell's turd of a contract.
- 2nd ('24)
- 3rd ('25)
MTL Trades:
- Allen
- Campbell's minor league cap hit and Allen's actual cap hit are an identical 3.85M, and therefore cancel each other out this year and next.
- the 2nd & 3rd are compensation for the Habs having the last two years of Campbell's contract. (It also acknowledges the weakness of the current goalie market giving Allen little value.)
- this gives EDM a credible, veteran, NHL backup who isn't good enough to spook Skinner, but provides a real opportunity to reduce Skinner's playing time before the playoff grind. (Allen has Cup experience as a back-up, and knows what a good back-up needs to do to support the starter.)
- MTL solves their crease and turns it over to the kids. (They can buy out or trade the last 2 years of Campbell if necessary.)
- Contingent on Allen & Campbell waiving their NTC's.
1.) 05 Mar 2024 17:32:52
For this I think I would rather give future considerations and snag the first from your previous offer.
2.) 05 Mar 2024 18:04:23
Take more than that to get rid of Campbell's contract.
3.) 05 Mar 2024 20:04:01
I'd still want a first for taking that contract.
4.) 05 Mar 2024 20:45:20
You have a deal Chickenfoot!
5.) 06 Mar 2024 00:56:16
Montreal declines.
6.) 06 Mar 2024 03:11:24
I rather keep Allen and free cap space next year, we don't need picks.
7.) 06 Mar 2024 13:55:38
I think Montreal would want more but, I think you’re right and the Oilers taking back Allen might lessen the picks given up. Oil would rather stick with Pickard at 800K considering how well he’s played.
05 Mar 2024 15:57:41
EDM Trades:
- Jack Campbell (contingent upon him waiving his NTC)
- 1st (2025 - better quality draft)
- 3rd (2024)
CHI, ANA, or MTL:
- Future Considerations
- EDM dumps Campbell's deal at the expected price to whoever will take it.
1.) 05 Mar 2024 16:25:28
Would you take Allen for that? Take away the 3rd coming back.
2.) 05 Mar 2024 18:05:35
This is closer.
3.) 05 Mar 2024 18:06:28
SOSA: check out the other trade I had posted regarding the inclusion of Allen. I think it works for both as well, but you be the judge.
05 Mar 2024 14:57:55
PIT Trades:
- Guentzel (25% retained)
VCR Trades:
- Podkolzin
- 1st ('25)
- 4th ('25)
- PIT receives 3 pieces they're looking for.
- VCR stays aggressive in going for it this year.
1.) 05 Mar 2024 16:26:15
I think the Canucks should focus more on a dman?
2.) 05 Mar 2024 20:07:47
Pitts is looking for prospects more than picks.
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19 Apr 2024 19:44:08
I thought it might be interesting to see some First Round predictions, so I'll be happy to share mine and kick it off:
- NYR in 4
- FLA in 6
- CAR in 6
- BOS is 6
- DAL in 7
- VCR in 6
- WPG in 6
- EDM in 5
1.) 22 Apr 2024 01:52:10
Tor in 7
Nyr in 6
Fla in 7
Car in 5
Dal in 6
Van in 6
Wpg in 5
Edm in 5.
2.) 22 Apr 2024 05:06:46
NYR in 4
Tampa in 7
Carolina in 5
Boston in 6
Dallas in 4
Vancouver in 5
Colorado in 7
Los angeles in 6.
16 Jan 2023 14:32:19
Off-Season Bobrovsky Contract Options:
CAP HIT: Next 3 seasons at 10M/year.
TRADE: less likely, given FLA has already traded their next three 1st-round picks, and moving it wouldn't be cheap.
BUYOUT: to buy out the next 3 years it would create a cap hit of 6.666M for 3 years, plus 3 more years at 1.666M. Ugly, but necessary. Bob's game is structurally unsound and at 35 to start next season he's unlikely to be able to change some of his bad habits. (i.e. side to side movement.)
The buyout is ugly, but why waste one more season of this team's core? (At least it's better than the MIN buyout.)
Like Buckley's, it will taste awful, but it will work (better) than status quo.
1.) 17 Jan 2023 19:07:46
3 years of saving 3.4M then 3 years of only 1.6M isn’t actually that bad. They don’t really have any expiring contracts so maybe they wait one more season with him?
09 Aug 2022 13:11:34
I'm curious how WPG fans assess PLD's trade value. (Full respect WPG fans - sorry to bring this up.)
I respect Jets' fans and I hope they get good value for him in the way Treliving with Gaudreau.
Given that PLD will have to wait 2 years to "possibly" sign with MTL, and the fact that every NHL team now knows his preferred spot, his in-season trade value is impacted. It seems like the best chance to trade him is as a deadline rental. (For several reasons I don't see MTL as a logical trading partner.)
At the Trade Deadline I can see a max value for PLD as a 1st and a 2nd or a good prospect. At the least I see a 1st.
I'm curious how WPG fans see this ending. Island Jet, you're a legit WPG fan and a prudent/realistic observer. How do you see the PLD saga concluding, and where do you gauge the return?
(My apologies if this posts twice. I posted yesterday but perhaps something went wrong on my end?).
1.) 09 Aug 2022 15:08:53
I believe that if the Jets can't sign PLD by the trade deadline the Jets have 3 options.
1. trade him around the new year to a team that has a young skilled player that needs a change 1 for 1. Similar to the Laine trade.
2. trade him at the deadline in which they will get a couple of prospects and draft choices. This is a future trade if the Jets believe they need a do a rebuild.
3 trade him at the draft where they will get the best return of a top end player, A prospect and/ or high draft pick.
2.) 10 Aug 2022 05:08:18
I think assuming he is dead set on signing with the habs is ignorant. I’m sure if a team like Tampa has the cap room he’d consider there in a few years.
08 Aug 2022 16:55:44
Just to change the subject a little.?.I'm curious about what WPG fans think about PLD's trade value.
First and foremost, I respect WPG fans, and I want them to have a great season and get a fair deal for the PLD asset.
Given that PLD is an RFA this coming June, and a UFA the following June, and given his interest in landing in MTL eventually, his value seems to be that of a pure deadline rental. Whoever gets him knows they're unlikely to re-sign him.
I doubt the Habs will trade for him. It's not the right fit for a few reasons. Therefore, if true Cup contender is looking for a 2C-3C for a playoff run this year and next, I suspect his max-value is:
1st & 2nd
or
1st & decent prospect
What do you think Jets fans? What will he bring, and when will he be traded?
1.) 08 Aug 2022 18:59:18
I would like to see the Jets trade him 1 for 1 to a team that needs a change from one of their young, top end centre/ wingers. This type of trade can happen anytime by January or at the draft. If the Jets trade PLD at the deadline they will get A prospects and/ or high draft picks.
I would like to see them get a 1 for 1 top end player but if PLD doesn't sign long term before the deadline then he has to go by the draft.
2.) 09 Aug 2022 13:24:50
PLD's minimum value at the TDL in two years is a first and a good prospect.
So, if he is moved now, you would need to pay for those extra two years and would need to add probably either another good prospect or a young top 6 player.
Most likely nothing happens until next summer unless Chevy gets a too good to be true offer.
25 Jul 2024 16:25:23
Hey Ebs, I think there's a few things to consider with a deal like this for Kadri:
- while still a productive player, with 29G / 75 points, while playing ALL games last year, he's 33 with 7M/ season x 4 more years. That's a lot of money for a team to take on for a player who'll be 34 when the season starts. It's a risk that will be taken into account when valuing a player for a trade.
- Kadri holds a NMC with a 13 team no trade list. (That said, I'm sure most players would see NSH in a positive light. )
- While Trotz made the most of his cap space, his July 1st News Conference heavily emphasized they didn't trade any futures to acquire these players. While he has extra picks, I don't suspect he'd consider trading any UNLESS their season warrants it. That said, I suspect he will keep all his picks and prospects to restock their system.
- If Kadri has another great season, I think a contender would consider Kadri for a 1st and a 2nd plus a prospect. His contract is far from unmovable, but it would likely require contracts going back to CGY and/ or a 3rd team to be involved. I don't see that kind of deal happening before the deadline though unless a contender has a 2C go down and can add him through LTIR.
24 Jul 2024 11:49:44
- NAS declines
- they have used their cap space effectively to add, but without sacrificing draft picks. Zero chance they use all that draft capital on Kadri.
24 Jul 2024 11:46:06
- why would either team consider this trade?
- Wolf is going to get meaningful games for CGY this year.
- NAS already has a great goalie prospect in Askarov, so why do they need Wolf?
- you seriously need to consider posting MUCH less. Hockey knowledge clearly isn’t your thing. This is embarrassing.
17 Jul 2024 02:25:58
Pinball…as the webmasters said…you are in no position to lecture ANYONE on hockey matters.
Perhaps the news of COL cap and depth issues are new to you, but even passively informed hockey fans know COL is more than a tweak away, and your trade proposal is the ultimate “homer deal / fantasy trade” in more ways than one.
16 Jul 2024 18:15:43
- What in the world are you talking about?
- COL is over the cap with 4 roster spots open, and their LTIR status offers even more questions than answers.
- They are in a really bad spot with many areas of the roster to address, and no cap space to do so, and you think you’re going to dump bad contracts on them for nothing?
- Is this the point when you realize you’re wrong and rather than admit it, you pretend you were joking? (Weak)
#PinballREALLYNeedsATimeout.
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