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31 Oct 2022 13:30:17
MTL trades Dvorak to PHI for:
- van Riemsdyk (No retention/IR for 6 more weeks)
- 1st ('23)
- 3rd ('23)
- Ronnie Attard (RD prospect)
Philly gets help at C where they're currently dealing with injuries, as well as getting rid of that awful JVR contract, leaving them with roughly 5M in cap space for further moves.
MTL leverages their space for picks and a RD prospect.
1.) 31 Oct 2022 16:10:58
I can't see Philly giving up the 1st for 23.although they have had a great start under Torts, I still belive this team will be a bottom third team, and will have a great chance at landing one of the top prospects at the draft.
2.) 31 Oct 2022 22:09:19
Philly has injuries at C and are in the market. If I was the GM in Philly I wouldn’t do this deal, but Dvorak is one of the C that they are apparently scouting.
21 Oct 2022 13:56:46
MTL: Hoffman (50% retained)
PHI: Braun + 2nd ('25)
- Braun will be expendable when Ristolainen returns shortly.
- Philly needs help up front, and Hoffman is well worth the risk at 50% off.
- MTL needs an experienced RD, and Braun is UFA at the end of this season, so he can be flipped again at the trade deadline.
- MTL has too many forwards, and they have the cap space to absorb half his salary for a 2nd rounder.
1.) 21 Oct 2022 14:28:21
I could see it happening at the deadline depending where Philly is in the standings.
2.) 21 Oct 2022 18:52:09
I'd be happy with that.
Torts with Hoffman could be entertaining.
18 Oct 2022 19:44:52
Muzzin didn't look okay at all after being hit last night. They called it a neck injury, but with 2 concussions last year alone, at some point the guy has to start thinking about his family (as Marner referred to last night) and his post-career quality of life.
If they can't find a suitable waiver wire pickup, a trading partner who doesn't care about this season or next will be necessary. This likely leaves out 29 teams not named Anaheim, Arizona or Buffalo.
The acquisition cost in assets this early in the season will be exceptionally high, but that's what happens when you mismanage your cap and roster construction.
TOR: Muzzin, 1st ('22), 2nd ('23)
ARI: Ghostisbere
Every fan base over-values their own prospects, but Toronto fans take it to a different level. There are no prospects of broad appeal to other fan bases, so you're left with mortgaging even more futures. It also means you can't bid on Chychrun because you just don't have the pieces to do so.
Ghost is a LD whose deal expires after this year, so the extra 2nd is the cost of ARI taking on the second year of Muzzin's deal.
There's no easy answers to the corner Scooby has painted himself into. The goaltending isn't near good enough either. But Scooby is all out of time and magic beans, so replacing Muzzin won't be cheap in a cap-strapped league.
1.) 18 Oct 2022 20:46:42
Too much for a cap dump from Philly. But, I think a more realistic target could be Collin Miller in Dallas (who has already cleared waivers aswell)
cheaper (1.85m for 2 seasons), right shot. Might cost a 3rd and a small prospect like bobby mcmann, or maybe Adam gaudette for Miller straight up.
2.) 18 Oct 2022 21:48:38
Which rumour are you replying to?
This trade is between TOR & ARI.
3.) 19 Oct 2022 01:59:57
The leafs don’t need Ghost he’d be a waste of an asset I’d much rather Muzzins Physical play then a offensive dman for the 2nd pp. he’d be a better fit for a team like Montreal who has no QB.
18 Aug 2022 17:24:46
Wow, congratulations CGY fans! Kadri turned you down once, but adding him today is huge news.
To clear space I'd propose:
ARI: 2022 1st + Lucic or Monahan
CGY: Futures
CGY is rightfully in win-now mode, and that 1st is going to be a late one. A 1st is the price of admission to dump either of those contracts, and with the Kadri news, the time is now.
Well done Treliving. You took a lot of crap from CGY fans, but you've had an off-season for the books?
1.) 18 Aug 2022 18:05:24
Wow (again) …I didn’t see MTL taking the Monahan contract. They’ll have some interesting moves to make to become cap compliant.
It will be a three-horse race between MTL, CHI & ARI for this Season’s “Toilet Bowl”?.
2.) 19 Aug 2022 01:00:42
Good Call @Chickenfoot.
You the Man with this Prediction! Much Respect!
12 Aug 2022 18:54:52
VGK: Marchessault, 2nd & 3rd (2023)
NYI: Varlamov
VGK needs goaltending after foolishly choosing the wrong goalie. NYI get some more pop up front and a couple of picks. Cap hits equal out except NYI have an extra year of Marchy.
On a side note it's nice to see this page return to some form of normal without the name calling and snippy comments. It never has to be that way if people communicate as if they're speaking in person as opposed to anonymously posting on a web page. Kudos one and all?
1.) 13 Aug 2022 14:33:45
A good trade for both teams Chickenfoot. The only way this wouldn't be done is if Vegas decides to tank to get into the Bedard hunt.
2.) 13 Aug 2022 15:32:01
@islandjet there's no way that Vegas goes for the Bedard hunt. They have solid pieces up front and I'm seriously guessing Stone, Pietrangelo and Eichel wouldn't be too pleased that the team doesn't even try to contend
3.) 14 Aug 2022 04:24:17
This is a team that is built to challenge for the Cup, or was or should be? There would have to be some kind of investigation if this team was the winner of the Bedard sweepstakes . Arizona Chicago and my Habs are all the contenders for that.
4.) 15 Aug 2022 17:03:53
Can someone explain how it is possible for Varlomov to be worth Marchessault, 2nd & 3rd?
5.) 15 Aug 2022 19:36:10
Agreed Marchessault is a 60-70 point player. Switch the picks to NYI and I’d consider it a loss on Vegas side but maybe a believable trade.
6.) 16 Aug 2022 05:36:26
You’re on point once again @Ebs!
Marchessault AND MORE for a Backup Goaltender!? C’mon Man! ?.
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09 Aug 2022 13:11:34
I'm curious how WPG fans assess PLD's trade value. (Full respect WPG fans - sorry to bring this up.)
I respect Jets' fans and I hope they get good value for him in the way Treliving with Gaudreau.
Given that PLD will have to wait 2 years to "possibly" sign with MTL, and the fact that every NHL team now knows his preferred spot, his in-season trade value is impacted. It seems like the best chance to trade him is as a deadline rental. (For several reasons I don't see MTL as a logical trading partner.)
At the Trade Deadline I can see a max value for PLD as a 1st and a 2nd or a good prospect. At the least I see a 1st.
I'm curious how WPG fans see this ending. Island Jet, you're a legit WPG fan and a prudent/realistic observer. How do you see the PLD saga concluding, and where do you gauge the return?
(My apologies if this posts twice. I posted yesterday but perhaps something went wrong on my end?).
1.) 09 Aug 2022 15:08:53
I believe that if the Jets can't sign PLD by the trade deadline the Jets have 3 options.
1. trade him around the new year to a team that has a young skilled player that needs a change 1 for 1. Similar to the Laine trade.
2. trade him at the deadline in which they will get a couple of prospects and draft choices. This is a future trade if the Jets believe they need a do a rebuild.
3 trade him at the draft where they will get the best return of a top end player, A prospect and/ or high draft pick.
2.) 10 Aug 2022 05:08:18
I think assuming he is dead set on signing with the habs is ignorant. I’m sure if a team like Tampa has the cap room he’d consider there in a few years.
08 Aug 2022 16:55:44
Just to change the subject a little.?.I'm curious about what WPG fans think about PLD's trade value.
First and foremost, I respect WPG fans, and I want them to have a great season and get a fair deal for the PLD asset.
Given that PLD is an RFA this coming June, and a UFA the following June, and given his interest in landing in MTL eventually, his value seems to be that of a pure deadline rental. Whoever gets him knows they're unlikely to re-sign him.
I doubt the Habs will trade for him. It's not the right fit for a few reasons. Therefore, if true Cup contender is looking for a 2C-3C for a playoff run this year and next, I suspect his max-value is:
1st & 2nd
or
1st & decent prospect
What do you think Jets fans? What will he bring, and when will he be traded?
1.) 08 Aug 2022 18:59:18
I would like to see the Jets trade him 1 for 1 to a team that needs a change from one of their young, top end centre/ wingers. This type of trade can happen anytime by January or at the draft. If the Jets trade PLD at the deadline they will get A prospects and/ or high draft picks.
I would like to see them get a 1 for 1 top end player but if PLD doesn't sign long term before the deadline then he has to go by the draft.
2.) 09 Aug 2022 13:24:50
PLD's minimum value at the TDL in two years is a first and a good prospect.
So, if he is moved now, you would need to pay for those extra two years and would need to add probably either another good prospect or a young top 6 player.
Most likely nothing happens until next summer unless Chevy gets a too good to be true offer.
08 Dec 2022 02:26:40
Renidrag - your interpretation is respectfully incorrect.
- One team can retain a maximum of 50%
- The contract can be traded again to proved additional cap relief
Example: David Savard traded by Columbus to TB via Detroit. (Amongst other similar transactions)
08 Dec 2022 01:53:22
VB…narrative? You’re in too deep pal, it’s hockey fans talking hockey. I’m not sure what kind of mindset you deal with but this is hockey talk…narrative is more of something you see on political shows.
As far as Pinball goes, I disagree with almost every post he’s ever written. If you read above you’ll see you’re wrong about that too. I give kudos where I think it’s due. You suggest “I could have simply moved on rather than replying negatively to his posts”. Well, I could say the same about you, but it just doesn’t bother me what you say. It’s words on a page. I’d have to respect your opinion to be offended by you.
By the way, when you said you watched the prospect 5x more than anyone else on this page, I laughed out loud. I could explain why but it would be lost on you. You are hilarious without trying. You do you…. I guess…and I’m flattered you find me so interesting ?.
07 Dec 2022 18:37:30
CASUAL - absolutely hilarious eh?
A fan comment forum is a lot like leaving your door open all night living on Main Street: you never know who is going to walk in, or what they may be dealing with.
: )
BTW, your Flames look like they're rounding things into shape nicely, and they are undisputably Canada's best shot at bringing the Cup home when Markstrom gets his game back. Good luck the rest of the way man.
07 Dec 2022 18:30:42
I wholeheartedly agree Pinball. wow!
Domi's season on an expiring 3M deal is absolutely worth a 2nd. He'll bring a 2nd at the deadline or a comparable prospect, so you absolutely nailed this one.
07 Dec 2022 18:28:33
I applaud what I see as a VERY realistic proposal, AND you're bang-on in your reply to Renidrag regarding involving a 3rd team to split the cap hit a second time.
Someone could make the argument that the 3rd should be a 2nd, considering Domi's season so far, but it's just great to see something posted here that you could imagine happening. (Even the compensation included for retention is bang-on. )
It would be interesting to see if the CHI GM would make a deal with Dubas after their previous public back-and-forth, but business is business, so they "should" be able to make something like this happen.
I'm thinking another team, other than regional rival BUF, would be a more likely 3rd party to help the leafs, BUT. this is the best trade proposal I've seen on here for a looooooong time, so big Kudos!
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