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22 May 2019 05:12:09
EDM - Lucic (2M retained), 2019 1st (8th)
NYR - Shattenkirk (1M retained), 2019 1st (20th)

Each team swaps bad contracts, obviously Lucic is way worse. The Rangers move up 12 spots into the top 10.

I think if Lucic has salary retained he could be flipped for a mid pick. Not sure exactly sure how much the Oilers would need to retain and how much New York would to flip him.


1.) 22 May 2019 13:52:49
Good trade man.

2.) 22 May 2019 15:53:26
interesting ebs nice.

3.) 22 May 2019 16:36:48
You messing with me VB? 😱.

4.) 22 May 2019 17:17:07
Not bad to be honest. Tough pill to swallow with Lucic and his term but for the next two years he is making 1.6 less giving a bit more of room. I would do it as a Ranger fan.

5.) 22 May 2019 18:24:14
This has the makings of a good trade, but I don't think Edmonton would be wise to give up #8 pick to do it though. Perhaps 2019 2nd and 3rd / 2 seconds might make it a done deal.

6.) 22 May 2019 20:26:33
You’re crazy if you think a couple 2nd round picks will make a team take Lucic.

7.) 22 May 2019 22:06:04
I think cut the retention from Shattenkirk and its good tbh.

Cause Shatty is still a decent enough player. Just not worth his 6.5M, but worth more than Lucic.

Lucic at 4M + #8 for #20 is fair, Shatty isn't negative value, he's just overpaid.

8.) 22 May 2019 23:28:56
I think it’s good for both teams even with retained salary on Shattenkurk. Vasili Podkolzin would be an huge add to the rangers.

9.) 23 May 2019 00:15:17
I like it alot.

10.) 23 May 2019 02:13:42
I’m not really getting your argument TTS. If they both had good contracts then it would be a no way from Edmonton. But neither of them do.
Lucic at 4M doesn’t have that much negative value IMO. At 3M I’d say he actually has decent value as a bottom 6 physical veteran cup winner.
If Shattenkirk is over paid then I’d say he actually does have negative value, just not as much as Lucic.

11.) 23 May 2019 03:21:04
Is so very original. But can we afford this? With $2M retained on Lucic plus Shattenkirk at $5.75-$6.75, depending if retention, is makes now $7.75-$8.75 for two years for Shattenkirk. And we drop so many places in the draft.

I do not think is such good trade.

12.) 23 May 2019 10:53:59
With the retention I suggested the Oil lose 1.5M in cap space. But they fill a spot on the RD making Russell and his 4M tradeable. They get there puck moving PP guy for a short two year term that’ll be perfect for when all the D prospects are ready.

13.) 23 May 2019 12:57:47
Yeah, i was just thinking that Lucic is still the worse player compared to Shatty in general. Cause when both are at full salary, I’d take Shatty, even if you retain 1-2M on Lucic, I’d still take Shatty. Both aren’t great, but Shatty still has a chance to rebound since its not like the game passed him by (in terms of speed) . that's why if NY retains on Shatty and EDM retains a bit more on Lucic, NY gets the far worse player (likely Lucic ends up like Beleskey tbh) .

I did think it was close though. I j don't know if anyone would retain on a player going the other way in a Lucic trade.

14.) 23 May 2019 13:40:33
Difference between making Russell expendable and tradable. Shatty might be able to fill the spot (not particularly well in a top 4 role right now I don’t think) but I don’t see teams lining up for Russell at 4 mill.

15.) 23 May 2019 14:17:53
This looks good on paper, however the thing people always forget is human factor. If shattenkirk isn't living up to his paycheque in New York (The team he specifically wanted to go to), how do you think he's going to perform in Edmonton, i believe a team he specifically did NOT want to go to when he was leaving St. Louis?

16.) 25 May 2019 21:25:39
If I'm Holland, no way I would let the Rangers have 2 pick with the top 10 pick from this draft. The Rangers have already so much young guys with so much potential.

EDM : Lucic, 2nd round pick 2020, 3rd round 2021
NYR : Shattenkirk, 5th round pick 2019

* Lucic has 4 years at 6mil
* Shattenkirk has 2 years at 6,5mil.



14 May 2019 16:46:12
EDM- 2020 2nd
LAK- Campbell.


1.) 14 May 2019 19:26:43
id do it, and kings have another goalie for backup. good post.



09 May 2019 02:20:42
CAR - Darling 2YR 4.15M
EDM - Lucic 4YR 6M
VAN - Eriksson 3YR 6M

CAR - Eriksson
EDM - Darling
VAN - Lucic

Might need to add some picks to compensate for the length of the contracts.


1.) 09 May 2019 10:08:33
Why would Vancouver take back Lucic who has an extra year of contract and can’t skate?

2.) 09 May 2019 13:28:16
Carolina gets hosed to be honest. They take on 2M more per season AND an extra year, and hinestly, Eriksson may be a better player than Darling, but for what, 25 points? Not worth.

Its much closer wth an Eriksson/ Lucic swap. Here Edmonton comes out as real winners while Carolina gets the short end of the stick imo.

3.) 09 May 2019 16:44:36
My thoughts were an over paid goalie is worse than an over paid player. Having 8+ tied up in goalies when you don’t have an elite goalie is a killer.

The only reason I think picks should be included is because the lengths not the cap hits. I was thinking a 3rd to Carolina and a 4th to Vancouver, both from Edmonton.

4.) 09 May 2019 20:40:53
If the oilers can somehow land the 1st overall pick and give it to the Canucks I think they consider taking the 6mil of dead weight.

5.) 09 May 2019 21:36:33
Vb i understand that you hade lucic .

But your comments are even worse than his contract.

6.) 09 May 2019 22:36:15
Oh yeah, I can see what you mean @Ebs. Only thing is, Darlings done in 2 years, and realistically, Carolina can resign Mrazek for cheap [2.5x2] and Mac too [1x1]. Because of how good their defence is, I don't think they want to upgrade their goalie too fast, and Ned could help in the future too.

7.) 10 May 2019 01:15:19
The reality is no team is taking Lucics dead weight unless it’s with the 8th overall.

8.) 10 May 2019 02:02:19
The reality is the Oil need to take a bad contract back and they don’t have to trade the 8th. I think it would be a mistake to trade the 8th unless the Oil get a good piece back. I’d rather burry Lucic in the AHL then lose the 8th just to get rid of him, unless it’s a trade back or get a good player in return scenario.

9.) 10 May 2019 06:03:55
Oilers cannot make good draft choice though Mr Ebsolutely. They will pick another bust anyway so why not trade the pick to lose the Lucic? Then with his money they can buy free agent like Eberle maybe?

10.) 10 May 2019 20:22:06
Zamboni you are so wrong? Every player at 8th this year Will be good. look at Bakersfield and say they can't draft.



16 Apr 2019 13:37:31
EDM - 2019 1st (8th), Puljujarvi
MON - 2019 1st (15th), Drouin

Thoughts on the cost to move up and if that’s a deal Montreal would be interested in.
Also I’m aware the Oil would need to drop cap. Might have to be in another trade or potentially added to this one.


1.) 16 Apr 2019 15:25:37
I don't think this is close for MTL to consider. Pul just doesn't have enough value to be brought into a deal like this to level it out. Maybe if you take out Drouin and go for someone else.

2.) 16 Apr 2019 19:46:42
It is interesting but because of pool party's lack of establishment in the league i could see montreal saying no.

3.) 16 Apr 2019 20:42:13
What if Byram or Broberg are still there at 8? Also I think GM’s might value Puljujarvi more than we do. I understand that he’s a gamble but he still has high potential.

4.) 17 Apr 2019 02:14:50
If by ram is still there at 8th then that makes it closer but habs might be able to get Broberg at 15th. Drouin played bad for 20 games this year. Pulujarvi hasn't done anything in 3 years. I think the habs would still want more.

5.) 18 Apr 2019 19:23:17
It might not be the right move for Montreal and may be too much. But I was looking and in the past the price to move up in the draft is fairly expensive. To move up 3-5 spots in the late 20’s it’s usually a 3rd. To move up 5-7 spots in the early 20’s- mid teens it’s an early second. So I’m thinking to move up 7 spots from mid teens to top 10 it would be at least a late first.
It all depends if Montreal wants to move on from Drouin or not I’d think. Also what GM’s are seeing in the draft.



27 Mar 2019 04:41:42
EDM - Lucic (6M 4YRS), 2019 2nd, 2020 2nd
TOR - Zaitsev (4.5M 5YRS), 2020 1st
VAN - Schaller (1.9M 1YRS)

EDM - Zaitsev
TOR - Schaller
VAN - Lucic, 1st, 2nd, 2nd

Would these teams be interested in a trade like this? If so, how are the values?


1.) 27 Mar 2019 05:49:11
I actually don't think its too bad. But trade clearly favours toronto.

2.) 27 Mar 2019 07:01:48
Toronto gives up more. A second to dump Zaitsev isn’t enough.

3.) 27 Mar 2019 10:11:22
vertius, they are giving up a 1st though?

4.) 27 Mar 2019 15:05:33
yeah a super super late 1st to tho.

5.) 27 Mar 2019 15:51:47
Considering where they are likely to finish its an above average second.

6.) 28 Mar 2019 11:35:20
Wait so toronto gives up a 1st and oilers 2 2nds this doesn't favor toronto it favors edmonton lolll they aren't going to get rid of lucic for 2 2nds enjoy lucic edmonton until the end of his contract hahahahaha.

7.) 28 Mar 2019 11:36:54
My bad didn't know zaitsev went to edmonton yea toronro should give up a tad more maybe add a 2nd going to vancouver and a 3rd from vancouver to Edmonton or so.

8.) 28 Mar 2019 11:37:52
Maybe Toronto adds a 3rd or 4th, who should get it?

9.) 28 Mar 2019 16:10:19
MTL4LIFE. Why would Vancouver add when WE’RE taking on a bad contract? What logic is that?! Edmonton can keep Lucic if they think we’re adding to help them get rid of the contract, like what?

10.) 28 Mar 2019 20:49:53
Settle down he said VAN would receive a 2nd and add a 3rd so they’d be going up a round. I kind like it.

11.) 29 Mar 2019 04:16:02
Van ain’t giving up nothing. I said it once and I’ll say it again, EDM can shove the Lucic contract where the sun don’t shine if they think ANYONE is going to give ANYTHING to take that contract. I don’t care if it’s *upgrading* or whatever. A late first and two seconds (especially when we’re giving up a third for one of those seconds) is not in ANY universe a good deal. Get real.

12.) 29 Mar 2019 05:02:24
Holy buddy if you don’t like the deal than okay but don’t go off if you don’t even get it. The deal I proposed was a 1st and two 2nds. He suggested VAN getting ANOTHER 2nd to make that three 2nds.

VAN should be bad for a couple years to rebuild IMO. There a team that can afford to have a bad contract for a few years. Adding 3 picks in the first two rounds is huge.

13.) 29 Mar 2019 20:53:52
I do get it, you’re the one who isn’t. An above average second (which is what Toronto’s first will be) and two other average 2nd round pics isn’t enough to entice a team to take on Lucic’s contract. Do you understand yet?

Just stop adding the Canucks to your trade proposals because clearly you know nothing about them if you think they’re going to be out of the playoffs for a couple more years. We would’ve been in the playoffs this year if it hadn’t been for injuries, we will most likely make it next year barring another mass injury bug. The Canucks are a lot better than people like to give us credit for. Take your rubbishty picks and shove ‘em.

14.) 29 Mar 2019 21:25:29
Then why in the above comment did you say “a late first and two seconds (especially when we’re giving up a third for one of those seconds) ”? If you would’ve said a late first a three seconds then you would’ve been right. So yeah pipe down.

The Nucks are you going to finish 10 points out. They don’t have a good enough roster to blame missing playoffs on injuries.
Don’t worry I didn’t make the proposal so make you happy. Clearly some other people found in interesting and believable. If you don’t think high picks will help your team then your helpless.




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30 Apr 2019 19:16:36
Should the NHL making diving a suspension next season after the Lindell incident?


1.) 01 May 2019 04:41:34
Fines. but not a suspension. leave the suspensions for the dangerous reckless plays.

2.) 01 May 2019 04:47:26
I think they already can be fined though? Not sure.

3.) 01 May 2019 05:59:59
Exactly sosa they can be fined. It does nothing and why should it when these guys make millions? Diving is not only an embarrassment to the game but also makes the refs jobs harder.

I’d love to see the obvious ones get suspensions. The problem is where do you draw the line between fining and suspending. Suspend only on repeat offenders? Or depending on the severity of the dive? Either way I hope hockey doesn’t turn into soccer.

4.) 01 May 2019 07:05:03
It will be tough to get everyone cause it happens a lot. I'd also like to see the extra shot a player gives their opponent when they know they are already getting a penalty being policed a bit better. The Bruins have mastered this technique over the years.

5.) 01 May 2019 14:43:30
I guess something along the lines of Basketball? They have that one, so many technical fouls, ya sit a game? Maybe something along those lines. 5 a year, sit a game? I don't really know, what the answer is . I do see your point though Ebsolutley.

6.) 01 May 2019 18:13:27
I think it should be as follows

1st offense- warning let him know that the punishment starts next tim

2nd offense - 25k fine to be donated to a hockey fund for retired and injured players.

3rd offense 50K fine 10 min misconduct ejection 1 game suspension

4th offense 75k fine 5 minute major ejection 3 game suspension

5th offense 100k fine 5 minute major ejection 7 game suspension

Just make it insane to pull this bull rubbish.

7.) 01 May 2019 22:53:51
But then we have to rely on the refs judgement for something else and we really don't need that.

8.) 02 May 2019 00:20:04
Or just let the refs hand out 2 minute penalties and let the league take care of the fines and suspensions Habby.

Redwing I like your idea but might be some legal issues with trying to fine guys that much. But I don’t see why the suspensions can’t get bigger with every dive you take. Then maybe restart for the next season?

9.) 02 May 2019 21:05:06
from what i understand there is a CBA limit on fines. But maybee a fine plus when your suspended your pay for that game is forfeited.

10.) 02 May 2019 21:07:17
This is what they are already suppose to be doing. Ebs.

11.) 03 May 2019 01:16:00
The fines get bigger but no suspensions isn’t it Habby? I say one fine then straight to suspensions.
I don’t know why they don’t at least crack down on it with fines. In a season there’s probably a million cases of guys throwing there heads back that don’t even get touched by a stick that can at least be heavily fined.



13 Mar 2019 17:30:37
I feel like the Brassard for Zibanejad+ trade doesn’t get talked about enough. One of the worst trades in that last 5 years I’d say.


1.) 14 Mar 2019 04:26:03
I remember being shocked Ottawa was adding in that deal when it happened but it turned out even worse thought it would.



13 Feb 2019 20:23:19
If the Oilers are still in the playoff race come deadline time, should they be buyers, sellers or stand pat?
IMO I think they should be sellers to get some ammunition for the off season. They have a few UFA’s they should trade.

Chiasson - Big veteran winger. Could get a 3rd+ or a 2nd. 17G 10A 46GP

Rieder - Speedy winger. Could maybe get a 4th. 0G 9A 41GP

Petrovic - Big defensive D. Could maybe get a 3rd. 0G 2A 32GP.


1.) 13 Feb 2019 20:40:22
I also think they need to lose some salary. Russell, Manning and Spooner are 3 contracts that I think they should trade. It would free up 9.35M. They may have to retain on these contracts though.

Russell has 2 years left after this one at 4M. I think he can get a 2nd+.

Manning has 1 year left after this one at 2.25M. I think he has negative value but could be salary going back in a trade.

Spooner has 1 year left after this one at 3.1M. I also think he has negative value but again could be salary going back in a trade.

2.) 13 Feb 2019 20:42:32
I think they should be sellers right now and get a head start on things. I also think there should be about 3 or 4 untouchables on the roster and maybe 1 or 2 prospects. The rest should be moved if possible and add whatever you have to other then these 5 or 6 players or their 1st this year to get rid of lucic and sekera. hope to finish last this year and draft hughes or kakko.

3.) 13 Feb 2019 21:18:12
Habby, I think they just need to cut dead weight then spend futures on some quality players. I believe a buyout for Sekera would cost 3M over 4 years so that would save the Oil 2.5M over the next 2 years.

If they were to trade the 6 players I named they’d save 13.95M. Talbot is another UFA contract I forgot to include. His 4.15M and Sekera’s 2.5M would bring the savings to 20.6M.

After these moves they’d need 2 top 6 wingers, 2 bottom 6 wingers, 1 top 4 D and a backup goalie. And there’s a few cheap options in the AHL.

4.) 13 Feb 2019 23:05:29
@ebs in theory yes that would work but spooner was put on waivers and nobody took him for free. You would have to retain on just about all those you mentioned so then what do you save 7mil? Plus you can only retain so much.

5.) 14 Feb 2019 00:31:18
He wouldn’t be picked up off waivers no but he can be traded. He was traded for a decent middle 6 winger this year. He only has a year left so I don’t think he holds that much negative value. For example Detroit moved back 4 spots in the 1st round plus traded a 2nd to dump Datsyuk’s contract and he was making 7.5M.

6.) 14 Feb 2019 04:04:55
Yeah your right maybe arizona would want him.

7.) 14 Feb 2019 06:47:04
I really don’t see the playoffs as a possibility right now. Everyone not named McDavid should be considered as trade bait. I don’t think they need a rebuild by any means but maybe some known character guys need to be brought in.

8.) 14 Feb 2019 18:15:25
I for one am sick of hearing about the team needing character. I think they need skill. The GM bled them of skill then blame it on character.

9.) 14 Feb 2019 19:29:48
This team has to trade 3 or 4 of their top 7 players in order to bring in players from winning organization and change the losing, me first attitude that the top Oilers players have. Until they do this they will continue to underachieve, lose and be selfishly content with their individual stats at the expense of the teams success. Don't sell now but wait until the draft in order to get players from winning organiztions that can turn this leaderless, soft, selfish and complacent team around.

10.) 15 Feb 2019 00:20:30
I didn’t mean to piss you off Ebs. I was thinking along the lines of what islandjet said, guys with a winning attitude. Obviously skill is what every team is looking for.

11.) 15 Feb 2019 01:30:49
I disagree Islandjet. This team only has 3 good players as far as forwards go. 2 of the 3 have only been on the team for 4 years and have made the playoffs once. The other, RNH, yes has been apart of a losing team for a long time but he does mostly everything right and is far from the problem. The team tried to bring in veteran “winners” Lucic, Brodziak and Chiasson and they haven’t done much to help.

Leafs17 you didn’t piss me off! Lol I like hearing other opinions. You guys definitely aren’t the only ones that think this team needs a knew core/ winners brought in. I just think they need a competent GM to bring in a few quality players to provide secondary scoring and strengthen the depth.

12.) 15 Feb 2019 02:35:42
The core is solid mcdavid draisitl nuge klefbom nurse Larrson but the rest is just over paid or useless or over paid and useless.

13.) 15 Feb 2019 12:45:12
I totally agree Habby. And Larsson is the only one of those guys to come from a different team. Chiarelli did nothing to help the team.
I really think if they can cut some dead weight cap and add a good winger and a solid D they could be a good team. 2 maybe 3 players could make the difference IMO.

14.) 15 Feb 2019 16:03:14
The right 2 or 3 players could make a huge difference. But the oilers need help in so many areas it's going to be difficult to get the guys to fill those holes. imo jones and bear McLeod bouchard all have to be ready soon. Also they need puljujarvi and Yamamoto to take things to the next level. And they might even need a wild card like maskimov or somebody else to show they can make the big club to turn this around quickly. That being said everyone healthy next year and they get on a run they could be a playoff team but to reach anything close to contender status they need to shed a lot of the crap that's taking up the cap and they will have to add some real good pieces to that just to rid themselves of it. its going to be a tough job for the new Gm but not an impossible one. And one thing the new guy will have going for him is he will be in a no lose situation cause their is no way he will be as bad as chirelli.



03 Jul 2018 02:22:46
NYI- Lee
TOR- Kadri.


1.) 03 Jul 2018 03:54:12
Yah not a chance from the leafs. C>W. They’ll use there center depth to win.

2.) 03 Jul 2018 03:56:44
Leafs are planning on using their centre depth to cover up a bit of their blue line holes. Kadri is a massive part of that. Shut down centre with back to back 30+ goal years at $4.5mill. Can’t afford to lose that.

Also Lee obviously has great chemistry with Tavares but wingers for him to play with is not a problem we have. Babcock already said he will have marner on his wing, that was in the pitch they made to him.

And lastly Lee has a year left making $3.75mill and with 40 and 34 goals in the last 2 seasons, he’s going to get a big raise we can’t afford.

3.) 03 Jul 2018 04:19:39
I don’t know why the leafs trade away a center on a great contract. Lee is good also but the leafs keep Kadri.

4.) 03 Jul 2018 05:00:25
Toronto is weak on the left wing was my only thinking and New York could use another centre now obviously. Lol yeah Lee will get a raise but it might not be too much higher than Kadri’s. And I understand center depth is important but a team doesn’t need a 4.5 million dollar 30 goal scorer on the 3rd line when there left wing is weak. Just a thought but also using the money and trade chip on a D would probably make more sense for Toronto.

5.) 03 Jul 2018 05:41:50
Kadri got 4.5 mill after a poor season and some off ice problems. He scored 30 goals twice since. Lee only makes 750k less and put up those 2 massive seasons on that contract. It will be hard to put up 35+ again without tavares obviously, but if he puts up near 30, that’s 105 goals over 3 seasons. He’s not signing for Kadri money lol Kadri wouldn’t sign for Kadri money except he was already locked up when he broke out.

6.) 03 Jul 2018 19:30:04
I disagree with your notion that the Leafs are weak at LW. You clearly don't understand how Babs runs his lines.

7.) 03 Jul 2018 21:03:27
Who do they have on the left wing? And I was thinking Lee might sign around 5.5 but yeah your right he might sign for a bit more than that.



03 Jul 2018 02:09:24
NYI- Lee
CAR- Faulk.


1.) 03 Jul 2018 03:54:30
This is bettet.




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25 May 2019 22:41:17
I’d definitely trade a second for Miller. I’m thinking he’d cost more than that. I agree Killhorn and Johnson are going to be traded for sure I’d assume though.




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23 May 2019 21:44:39
The Oilers have nothing to offer to move up. If they move back they’ll be a better team next year and that’s what they need IMO.




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23 May 2019 16:40:35
Can’t buy him out but it wouldn’t be hard to deal with if two teams were to retain salary. Say Oil retain 2M the next team would have to retain maybe 1M and they’d actually get something for him.




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23 May 2019 10:53:59
With the retention I suggested the Oil lose 1.5M in cap space. But they fill a spot on the RD making Russell and his 4M tradeable. They get there puck moving PP guy for a short two year term that’ll be perfect for when all the D prospects are ready.




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23 May 2019 02:13:42
I’m not really getting your argument TTS. If they both had good contracts then it would be a no way from Edmonton. But neither of them do.
Lucic at 4M doesn’t have that much negative value IMO. At 3M I’d say he actually has decent value as a bottom 6 physical veteran cup winner.
If Shattenkirk is over paid then I’d say he actually does have negative value, just not as much as Lucic.





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