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11 Dec 2020 01:43:35
TBL - Killorn

DET - Glendening, 2022 3rd.


1.) 11 Dec 2020 17:12:15
Detroit says No. While the value may not be that far off, we would only be looking to take Killorn as a cap dump move.

If it’s not a cap dump + picks move, Killorn would be best moved elsewhere where they need his services.

That’s why Detroit was interested in Gourde/ Johnson, to take the cap dumps plus picks/ prospects to do so.

2.) 11 Dec 2020 18:19:05
You don’t think Killorn would be a good vet for a younger team? On pace for 30 goals and 60 points for 4.5M and only cost a 3rd. He’ll be a good deadline asset to trade in a year or two.

3.) 11 Dec 2020 20:27:27
Killorn could get a first round pick at deadline if he repeats exact same production or more. If he’s on pace for 30 goals by deadline he becomes attractive for a playoff team. Who wouldn’t want to add a 30 goals scorer ahead of the playoffs?

4.) 11 Dec 2020 22:05:48
@ebs 30 Goals/ 60 point pace on cup contender loaded with talent. No guarantees he’s able to replicate that on the Wings with only a few quality players currently.

While he is a good player and valuable vet, we just signed a couple Vets/ Trade Deadline assets (Ryan, Namestnikov, Stecher) plus have guys like Gagner, Filippula and Nielsen to fill those kinds of roles.

If we were pushing to start contending, I would be more open. Right now we’re rebuilding and looking to stock up on picks/ prospects. Trading a 3rd just doesn’t help the current process.

5.) 12 Dec 2020 03:09:15
I don’t think any of those players have the skill or value Killorn has. Detroit is one of the few teams that can take him and he’d be a player that came from a winning culture for longer than a year. I think he should be able to get 50 points in Detroit’s top 6.

6.) 12 Dec 2020 13:18:46
Ya the drop off in talent on the team is probably offset at least a bit by an increased role. He will get much more than you’re giving up at the deadline especially with the expansion draft coming which could help teams open cap space before next season. Trade a third for him now and get a first later doesn’t seem like a bad play tbh. Trading picks doesn’t make sense for Detroit but upgrading them sure does.

7.) 12 Dec 2020 19:12:21
I see the point about trading low and selling high but that could just as easily go reverse.

We could trade a 3rd and then he falters in Detroit and nets only a mid pick.

Rather than take that risk, I would take a Gourde/ Johnson plus picks/ prospects because I know what I’m getting. It’s a little more certainty here.

8.) 12 Dec 2020 19:16:29
I agree that Killorn would offer a greater leadership than the current players we have but the question is if that is worth it.

Value wise it makes sense, not denying that part. Just not 100% certain if this is the direction we want to go compared to the take picks/ prospects for cap dumps approach.

9.) 12 Dec 2020 21:58:52
Your right it might not be the approach they take but also couldl be a good move to make. Do you think they sign anymore FA’s? AA maybe?

10.) 13 Dec 2020 00:30:32
Good post for discussion Ebs to see if they end up going that direction.

Definitely don’t see us bringing back AA, while I liked him here, he is very offended first and a liability in his own end. So not likely bringing him back.

If we go back into the UFA pool, I could see Duclair, Hoffman or Granlund as options. Although the odds we go back is much lower than the picks for cap dumps.



25 Nov 2020 20:41:57
WPG - Laine, Roslovic

CAR - Skjei, Suzuki, 2021 1st.


1.) 25 Nov 2020 21:45:00
The Jets wouldn't do this trade.

2.) 25 Nov 2020 21:48:26
Easy no from Winnipeg. An overpaid very low end second pairing LD isn't a starting point for Laine.

And the Jets are even kicking in Roslovic. Lol.

Very poor understanding of player values demonstrated by the OP.

3.) 25 Nov 2020 23:07:16
No from Jets. I think Jets would want a player who could make more of an impact than Skjei. Also, it may take Suzuki a few AHL seasons to develop and I think Canes will be a pretty good team, so that pick could be mid to late 20s.

4.) 26 Nov 2020 02:03:49
Seriously though, I know Ebs probably believes this is good value as the Oilers are known for trading star players for marginal defenseman, but this does nothing for Winnipeg.

Skjei is an overpaid LD, so not a long term need for Winnipeg and his contact is too long for a short term fix.

Suzuki would be behind Perfetti by a good distance so he adds very little value.

Overall not one thing that Winnipeg needs, so Chevy wouldn't give it a second thought.

5.) 26 Nov 2020 02:52:22
Maybe add a 2022 2nd or 3rd from Carolina?

6.) 26 Nov 2020 05:56:20
I like the idea @ebsolutely but I’d remove Roslovic and replace Suzuki with someone else. I’m not sure who but.. I like your idea tho, solid post

7.) 26 Nov 2020 06:02:46
Why is LD not a need? Skjei has had a 39 point season and I’m wondering if he still has that offensive potential. Paired with a guy like Pionk maybe he’ll get back there. He’s steady, physical and would be a good player to anchor the second pair.

Suzuki from what I’ve read has similar potential to his brother. He might break into the NHL at the same time as his teammate Perfetti.

Maybe exchange the 2021 1st with there recent 1st rounder, Jarvis and add that 2022 2nd?

8.) 26 Nov 2020 14:01:59
You’re right Ebsolutely. To say Skjei isn’t needed is just stupid.

9.) 26 Nov 2020 16:12:51
Skjei isn't a need because he's overpaid to be a bottom pairing guy. As long term he's not going to beat out Samberg and Heinola. A bottom pairing defenseman isn't a starting point for a high-end first line winger.

To say Skjei is a need is just stupid and shows a lack of understanding of Winnipeg's needs.



06 Oct 2020 02:16:56
Anyone know how the talent is split in the draft? From the mock drafts I’m seeing it looks to be 1, 2-3, 4-8, 9-16. Am I way off in saying up to around pick 16 is top 10 talent? Maybe even pick 18 if any slide.

Unlikely trade but you can only hope.

EDM - 1st (14th)
MON - 1st (16th), 2nd.


1.) 06 Oct 2020 12:23:41
Didn’t mean to press send but that 2nd is pick 56. The only way it happens is if Montreal likes someone at 14 and doesn’t think they’ll be there at 16 obviously. Similar to last year when Arizona traded the 14th and 45th for the 11th.

2.) 06 Oct 2020 19:06:47
1, 2-3, 4-8/ 9 Sanderson has worked his way into that Catagory imo so 9, 10-13, 14-30ish imo

Whoever goes to Minnesota will be a surprise imo. I think Drysdale could fall there.

3.) 06 Oct 2020 19:24:58
Ohh really I’ve seen Holtz, Sanderson, Lundell, Quinn, Jervais, Askarov and Lappierre going in and out of the top 10. I was thinking there was a fall off after pick 16 ish.



04 Oct 2020 00:13:03
OTT - 1st (28th), 2nd (33rd), 2nd (51st)

EDM - 1st (14th)

Oilers use the 28th to target Murray, Dumba, Kuemper, Skjei.




16 Sep 2020 01:16:31
EDM - Neal
NJD - Schneider.


1.) 16 Sep 2020 05:08:58
Solid Trade imo

2.) 16 Sep 2020 06:28:20
Hell no! Neal can still score, Schneider is Ahl goalie at best!

Rather give Smith 1m than that deal.

3.) 16 Sep 2020 12:23:01
I actually meant to add maybe a 2nd from NJ. Cause I agree Neal scored 19 goals. Schneider also has one less year on his contract but makes 250K more.

4.) 16 Sep 2020 17:44:00
I think Neal >>> Schneider.
Yes, Neal is overpaid but he is productive in the NHL while Schneider isn't even an AHL starting calibre goalie.
Also, we need help with depth scoring, right? Why would we trade Neal?

5.) 16 Sep 2020 19:13:42
I just looked and the Devils don’t have a 2nd in this draft so the pick would have to be one of the Devils three 1st round picks, 20th overall (Oil add) or there 2021 2nd. I think it could make sense for Edmonton for a couple reasons. The Oil don’t have 2nd round picks for the next two years. They also lose a year of Neals cap. And they get a backup goalie that has been a starter before. If they don’t think Schneider can be a quality back up or even have 1B potential they probably wouldn’t do it.




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18 Dec 2020 05:50:03
2015 NHL draft

1. McDavid
2. Eichel
3. Marner
4. Rantanen
5. Barzal
6. Aho
7. Provorov
8. Chabot
9. Werenski
10. Connor
11. Konecny
12. Boeser
13. Cirelli
14. Meier
15. Andersson
16. Strome
17. Carlo
18. Hanifin
19. DeBrusk
20. Beauvillier
21. Bear
22. Dunn
23. Hintz
24. Garland
25. White
26. Zacha
27. Nutivaara
28. Eriksson Ek
29. Cernak
30. Gurianov, Marino, Roslovic, Mangiapane, Dermott, Roy, Greenway, Crouse, Gaudette, Fischer, Malgin, Simon, Wagner

1. G - Blackwood, Samsonov, Hill

Could be a couple way off, thoughts?


1.) 18 Dec 2020 15:00:11
Cirelli Top 10 in my books.

2.) 18 Dec 2020 16:06:21
I think you can make an argument for 11 but who does he take out of the top 10? Connor scores 30-40 a year.

3.) 18 Dec 2020 17:10:11
My god that top 10 is stacked. Probably going to be the deepest draft class since 2003, imo. To have all of Werenski, Prov and Chabot not cracking the top5 is insane and just shows how stacked it is.

For me, I'd take Cirelli over Boeser, and I'd say Hintz>Garland, Dunn>Bear and Cernak>Nutty and Zacha, but overall a pretty spot on list, good job. I also think John Marino is probably going to end up top20 by the end of 2021, but that's to be seen.

4.) 19 Dec 2020 02:37:29
I agree TopShelf it’s still early and a lot of guys have more to give including Cirelli. If he can have another big year I think he can move up the list a little but I don’t think he’s proven it yet.
The farther I got down the list the more I was unsure but looking at there stats Hintz and Dunn were less impressive to me. Garland has had better numbers and Bear plays more defensive minutes and had similar offense last year. Maybe your right and Dunn ahead this year but next year it’ll be Bear IMO.

5.) 21 Dec 2020 08:02:32
Ya, maybe 11 is fair for now, could see him be top 10 in a re-draft in a couple years from now, tho.



15 Nov 2020 15:39:51
@Chirp, I read some info about the expansion draft.

Every team needs to have at least one player exposed from each position that meets a few requirements. They have to be under contract and have played at least 70 games in the prior two seasons or 40 games in this coming up season. Russell might be the only exposed D that meets both requirements.

So even though Klefbom doesn’t meet the requirements he can still be picked because he’s played 3 or more pro seasons.


1.) 15 Nov 2020 17:41:42
Yeah I read something about that a while back too but I think the thing I read said Klefbom was still potentially ineligible if he didn’t play this season. To be honest, I kinda skimmed it. Haha. I dunno, whatev. I’m sure the Oilers will figure it out.

2.) 15 Nov 2020 19:29:47
Haha jeez the salary cap and apparently expansion draft rules are impossible to figure out. Hopefully Holland doesn’t blow it.



24 Oct 2020 19:14:15
Seattle Expansion Draft:





Broberg (A)
Bouchard (A)
Lavoie (B+)
Samorukov (B)
McLeod (B)
Rodrigue (B-)

It depends how the season goes for Puljujarvi, wether they do the 7 and 3 or 8 skaters. It’ll be either him or Jones selected IMO.

RNH - McDavid - Kassian
Benson - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Neal - Turris - Puljujarvi
Nygard - Haas - Archibald
Ennis - Khaira - Chaisson

Nurse - Larsson
Russell - Bear
Jones - Barrie


1.) 25 Oct 2020 00:59:13
Looks good

2.) 25 Oct 2020 15:01:50
Jones or Puljujarvi would be a pretty decent loss. Is Calgary going to lose a good player?

3.) 27 Oct 2020 01:13:10
My understanding is that they re-signed Russell in order for him to be offered up as their expansion draft player? Don’t quote me on numbers but isn’t it there a condition that if Klefbom doesn’t play more than 40 games this upcoming season due to his LTIR situation he is exempt from the expansion draft and then the primary candidates for Seattle from Edmonton would be Russell, Neal, or Khaira? I remember reading something to that affect when they extended Russell but can’t remember the specifics.

4.) 27 Oct 2020 14:02:59
Wow you might be right. Cap friendly shows Klefbom needs to play another 4 games to be eligible I think. I think the rule might be they have to play a certain amount of games in the two years prior to the draft. That would be huge to not have to protect Klefbom because they could protect Jones and still go the 7 and 3 route.

5.) 27 Oct 2020 17:50:57
I'd honestly pay way more for Seattle to take Kassian.

6.) 28 Oct 2020 01:35:23
I agree Tyson, I don’t like the contract either. But they just signed it so you’d think they’d protect him. Maybe Marody instead?



15 Mar 2020 18:37:03
What are Oiler fans early thoughts on Athanasiou?


1.) 15 Mar 2020 21:19:09
He has more to offer than he has so far. I like that he is an RFA so we can potentially see how he’ll do with a true fresh start next season because I think he can get back to 20isj goals per season but to this point he’s been mediocre.

2.) 15 Mar 2020 23:31:53
I have optimism since Holland has seen a lot of him. But from what I’ve seen he’s been a very perimeter player and hasn’t created a lot.

3.) 16 Mar 2020 15:08:19
At best, I think he’s a 20 goal 40-50 point forward imo.

4.) 26 Mar 2020 09:11:26
A 50 point player is a top line player on some teams in the league. Not the good ones. But 50 points would have led scoring last year on a few teams.



12 Mar 2020 02:38:26
Pionk was a horse for the Jets tonight. Might have been a steal by the Jets….


1.) 12 Mar 2020 12:35:27
Yeah, he has actually been much, much better than Ranger fans lead us to believe. Not as big or physical as Trouba but a better puck mover definitely.

2.) 12 Mar 2020 15:12:57
When the Jets traded Trouba for Pionk and #1 pick I believed that the Jets lost the trade big time. However with the great play of Pionk, his age, reasonable contract and value to the team he has shown he alone was worth the trade for Trouba. Also the draft pick turned into Heinola who looks to be a keeper having played the 1st 8 games of the season where he recorded 5 points and averaged over 18 minutes per game. Only his physical size and the Jets history of keeping draft picks developing in the minors until they are over-ready stopped him from playing the entire season on the Jets. This trade set up the Jets backend nicely for the future.




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24 Jan 2021 19:25:30
Too early to tell what Greenways offensive potential is based off his stats. Could stay a 30-40 point guy or could become a 50 point guy. He’s a point per game to start this year. He’s also 6’6” 225 so I’m thinking Minny would rather hold onto him.




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23 Jan 2021 00:48:25
Svechnikov was on waivers I’m pretty sure. Might still be enough value though hard to say.




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20 Jan 2021 15:39:01
Easier said than done but I feel like Columbus wants more of a one for one swap vs quantity. Maybe like Jost and Girard?
Nylander you think Columbus passes on Tkachuk?




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19 Jan 2021 15:39:58
Might be too early to stay point per game now but if he can get 50 points this season TopShelf is right. He’s already got 5 in 3 games. Lol.




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14 Jan 2021 04:00:22
Forgot about Pionk but I’m sure Yandle would still take most PP minutes. In one off season he went from a 50+ point guy to be healthied? got to be something else going on. And I think we can all agree that would be brutal if they ruined his iron man streak. Regardless he’d be an improvement on Perault and he’s worth more but I will agree years 2 and 3 might make it a no go from the Jets.





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