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17 Apr 2021 17:50:10
Who would u rather have?

Morgan Rielly or Seth Jones

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17 Apr 2021 19:46:24
Seth Jones. However, maybe Reilly gets overshadowed by Marner and Matthews, both are good D men. but I give the edge to Jones.

17 Apr 2021 20:36:49
Seth Jones.

18 Apr 2021 01:16:15
Jones is better all around so I would take him.

18 Apr 2021 10:54:11
Rielly is better offensively but as a all around dman Seth Jones is better.

18 Apr 2021 14:23:57
Jones. Rielly is great at a few things, Jones is near great at everything.

18 Apr 2021 15:01:11
Is Reilly really better offensively? Don’t you think jones offensive numbers would be considerably better playing on the leafs pp unit instead of Columbus?

18 Apr 2021 16:28:02
Jones doesn’t have the skating ability to be better then Rielly on the PP IMO.

18 Apr 2021 19:15:46
He doesn’t necessarily have to be better on the pp then Reilly for this. The question asks who would have more points Jones on Toronto or Reilly on Columbus. I think it would be be jones in Toronto. and even if it was close to the same jones would be considered better by everyone on here including you.

19 Apr 2021 01:14:56
2 seasons ago Rielly scored 20G. 5 of them were GWG and only 3 were PP. 17 5v5 goals as a Dman. How is that a guy that milks points from a good PP? My answer remains the same, Jones is better all around, but Rielly is far better offensively.

19 Apr 2021 05:01:05
So you don’t think playing on pp and usually out 5 on 5 with either the matthew’s line or the Tavares line could inflate his stats slightly more then what jones is on the ice with in Columbus? You must not think much of the leafs top 6 forwards.

19 Apr 2021 05:02:20
And to say far better offensively is a complete and total joke as the stats don’t even really back that up.

19 Apr 2021 12:37:18
Okay. If you’re going to say Riellys numbers are better because of PP when that’s not true, and bring up who they play with, why not also mention that Jones has played 5v5 with Zach Werenski for 3+ years where Rielly has had a rotating door of players. Most common partner in his career by minutes played.

Paired with Ron Hainsey for twice as many Minutes as any other Dman (1700:00) Followed in order by Zaitsev Gardiner, Hunwick, Polak, Marincin.

Jones plays with another top end offensive, Mobile partner and has for years. Rielly, until this year with Brodie, has never even had a guy that belongs on a top pair, let alone a guy that could help him create at his speed and skill. 3 of those guys aren’t even NHL players. He’s the better individual offensive player, and it’s not particularly close.

19 Apr 2021 15:03:49
Ok so jones has had to share the offensive responsibilities while Reilly has been the go to guy seems like that’s more of a reason to support my side of the argument. See the difference in karlsons production since having to share time with burns.

19 Apr 2021 20:42:43
There’s definitely 2 ways to look at it, but the Karlsson and Burns one is a whole different story again. You’re talking 2 guys who’s best years we’re behind them and then put them together at like 30 and 34 years old. Not exactly comparing the same thing as 19-26 year olds like Rielly, Jones, Werenski over the past 3-4 seasons, but I get your point. Karlssons numbers were dropping regardless, he was 30 yrs old and had a terrible injury and Surgeries he never fully recovered from.

19 Apr 2021 22:43:07
Your argument is similar to the leaf fan boys on overdrive right now. They are saying Hyman has been better this year then boeser and toffoli. even though they are leading their teams in scoring and well Hyman is not.

20 Apr 2021 15:23:00
You’re taking it to different lengths but okay. What they said on Overdrive was that Toffoli has been impressive with 21G and 32Pts in 40 games. But that Hyman with very similar points, 33 in 43, while being a far more complete player has been equally or slightly more impressive. But you must have heard it differently than I did. I’ll concede.

20 Apr 2021 16:50:40
Sorry, the other point they made was consistency, where Toffoli started with 18G in 26 or 27 games, half of them in just a handful of games against Vancouver when he tore them up, but then has cooled off. As where Hyman brings the same thing every night. I don’t think it was meant as any slight on TT. He’s a goal scorer and most are known to be streaky.

20 Apr 2021 19:30:54
And hymans points totals are not inflated at all playing with marner and matthew’s right? I would bet my entire fortune thst he wouldn’t be leading Vancouver or Montreal in scoring this year.

20 Apr 2021 21:50:45
I’ll concede. You’re correct. In the debate of 3rd line talent playing in top 6, Toffoli is better, okay?

15 Apr 2021 22:30:22
Where does Nolan Patrick get traded to?

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15 Apr 2021 23:18:02
Seattle probably takes him.

16 Apr 2021 05:16:33
I don't follow him or Flyers, especially this year. why is he getting traded. ? Just not working out?

14 Apr 2021 07:51:53
Did anybody watch the Rittich Leafs interview, he was trying so hard to not break down. so heartbreaking man.

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15 Apr 2021 16:21:05
Boo hoo i play in NHL and make 3 million a year boo hoo

He’s in the NHL and is a UFA playing on a top 5 team. Do you feel bad for every RCMP officer who transfers stations?

15 Apr 2021 20:26:56
I don’t feel bad for either.

15 Apr 2021 20:51:04
So much hate coming off of Nylander, I wonder if mama took away his lunch money.

15 Apr 2021 21:07:09
Everyone is allowed to have emotions. its what makes us human. Obviously some people show more than others. I remember many years ago when Kirk Muller was traded from Montreal, it was heartbreaking.
These guys aren't robots, they all have built friendships with not only their teammates, but also there communities.
I welcome emotion, shows that these millionaire athletes aren't any different than us regular people.

16 Apr 2021 01:12:34
The one of those that drove me nuts was Ryan Smyth bawling after he was traded from Edmonton. I was a huge Smyth Fan, and wanted him to stay but him and the team couldn’t get the deal done. I feel for the guy who bled for that team but at the end of the day if being an oiler and being in Edmonton meant so much to you, why is $500k a year on a 5yr $30M+ contract going to keep you from being an oiler? In that case, he made his own bed and I thought the tears were ridiculous. In saying that, when guys get traded, their lives change and I don’t mind them expressing that.

16 Apr 2021 11:41:31
100% @sosahabs24. @sampson the Ryan Smyth retirement was sad though, I really liked how much class the Canucks showed that day. @jandersonbpf most likely.

16 Apr 2021 11:51:48
@nylander if a RCMP officer had to transfer provinces I’d feel bad yeah. Them and their family would have to leave their friends/ family/ coworkers.

13 Apr 2021 15:37:15
As a leafs fan I’m pretty happy that Dubas seemed to address every need that was identified.

Doing it without losing a roster player or a single prospect, let alone a top one, is impressive. I think they got way better for the playoffs.

After that I look at what the other teams in the division did and MTL got a couple vet Dmen and Eric Staal who will help because they have so many young forwards playing important roles this year.

Oilers didn’t do much at all but were so cap stuck they didn’t have much choice. I don’t think Adding Kulikov moves the needle for them at all

But I couldn’t believe the Jets didn’t do much. It was pretty widely reported they needed 2 Dmen, one top 4 or atleast a guy to make a big impact and another for depth. Jordie Benn is a good guy to add for playoffs but he’s not that impact guy whatsoever. With a path to the 3rd round that’s easier than it has been for years, the top 6 they have that’s probably the best in the whole NHL and an elite goalie, I’m shocked Chevy didn’t see this as an all in year.

Interested to hear from fans of each of those teams to see how they think their management did? Or from fans of any team to see how you think your team handled the past week.

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13 Apr 2021 16:42:37
It sounds like Chevy was going after some longer term fixes rather than rentals and he just wasn't able to pry the players he wanted loose.

I'm okay with it. The Jets have plenty of cap space again this summer, so he can work on some stuff then. I'd rather have him spend assets on players that will help long term rather than overpay at the TDL for players that almost never pay dividends.

13 Apr 2021 17:46:07
MeMarcus. I get that. Obviously you always prefer long term over short term. Just sometimes the rest of what you have isn’t sustainable long term so you pick a window and go for it. I kinda felt like Jets were going to do it this year. I’m glad they didn’t for our sake, but I felt it was a missed opportunity for them. If you guys are good with it, then that’s good. Still a really good team.

13 Apr 2021 18:23:57
I just think you can't force it Sampson. From what Chevy said, he was trying to do things, just none of them turned out. It could have been stuff like Ekholm and/ or Manson and when it came down to it the price may have been too prohibitive, or, maybe the player wouldn't waive their NTC.

Then by the time Chevy's preferred deals fell through, his backup options were already gone and the stuff left was guys that aren't going to make a difference one way or the other, like Benn. So, he took what he could without giving away anything major.

I think Chevy is probably very willing to make a big deal, but just couldn't get one to fall in place in time, so he decided to wait until the summer, rather than spend assets now on a second choice and not have the necessary assets available for a larger deal in the summer.

13 Apr 2021 19:24:12
That all makes sense. I just thought they had a chance right now to be the best team in the North by adding 1 player. They still may be, it’s not like this somehow prevents them from being able to beat the Leafs, I just thought they could have solidified themselves as the clear favourite. But if you’re paying top choice price for second choice guys, you’re probably right it’s better to wait.

13 Apr 2021 21:36:06
The Leafs did good, they were and remain the team to beat. My only thing i'd be worried about if I were a Leafs fan, ( which I clearly never would be), is if Matthews or Marner get injured., although there is a good balance of depth in this team, I feel without one of those 2, this team goes from top contender to a decent team that just makes the playoffs kinda team ( Like my Habs) .

I do wish the Jets and Oilers could have done something more to knock off the Leafs, hopefully Hellybuck, Smith or Price can stand on there heads and knock them out. if not. well ill have to hope that Tampa, Vegas or Colorado, whoever, get these guys out. Ill even cheer the Bruins over these guys.

13 Apr 2021 23:22:26
Wow Sosa. that’s some hate lol

I welcome it though. Will be some epic chirping and bragging rights on the line these playoffs all around.

14 Apr 2021 00:54:49
It was rumoured that Getzlaf was heading to Vegas but obviously it didn’t happen but if it were to I’d put a lot of money on them winning cup. I think and always said Foligno is the perfect add he provides everything great leader and all around player. He’s the leafs Justin Williams. Nash is also a underrated move he’s the best shutdown 4c in the game. Hyman-Nash-Simmonds/ Mikheyev is a insane matchup line. Throw them again McDavid/ Drais and I think they keep them relatively quiet.

14 Apr 2021 21:09:06
Foligno is the type of guy the leafs really needed, I would've liked Hall, but I like Foligno for the Leafs even more just based on the fit. Also, Riley Nash does absolutely nothing offensively but should be a real nice matchup center; taking Engvalls spot on the HEM line if they're ever reunited.

12 Apr 2021 20:35:30
I’m so mad we lost Bennett... one of my fav flames ever

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13 Apr 2021 21:37:33
I like him as well. I really hope this guy can blossom in Florida.

14 Apr 2021 07:50:46
Me too, hopefully he turns into a legit Top 6 F. It’s not impossible of course but probably highly unlikely. I guess Florida never forgot his 4 goal game against them a couple years ago haha.

14 Apr 2021 08:32:33
Even if he doesn't become a top 6 guy, which i believe he still can be, he brings an edge to his game, and that sandpaper type of play that championship teams need.
His biggest downfall was being picked 4th overall. obviously he didn't warrant that selection, however, if he would have been a 3rd or 4th rounder, people would be saying what a good scrappy guy this is.

14 Apr 2021 14:09:18
I agree Sosa. I always liked Sam. He Grew up next to a friend of mine, really nice kid and I always rooted for him. I wanted Leafs to bring him in as a longer term fit but I think for this year alone, Foligno was the better choice.

And ya, he shouldn’t have been 4th overall but that shouldn’t haunt the guy forever. He’s a legit top 9 NHL player that brings a lot of what you need to win, like you said. Any team that got him, and doesn’t have the bad taste in their mouth of spending a top 5 pick on him, will love this guy.

16 Apr 2021 11:44:05
@sampson the flames didn’t develop him properly and rushed him. Then coaches buried him on the 3rd line even after showing huge chemistry with Tkachuk. We seen flashes outta him, but the flames burying him on the 3rd/ 4th line didn’t help at all.

12 Apr 2021 19:17:46
Not impressed with Habs losing Mete for absolutely nothing. don't really see how Habs got better adding Merrill and Gustafson.

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12 Apr 2021 19:33:07
Well Merrill is much better then mete is right now.

12 Apr 2021 19:41:28
I don't know enough about those guys I guess. I just don't like the fact Mete went for nothing., I think he still had lots of promise. I never seen a top pairing guy, but a good solid regular, as he is only 22.

12 Apr 2021 21:14:05
Merrill is a nice add, but Mete is better than Gustafsson imo. Gustafsson, even in a sheltered role, is pretty horrendeous defensively. I do think Merrill is a really nice defensive dman though and that he's better than Mete, but I think Mete > Gustafsson for sure.

13 Apr 2021 01:53:43
Gustafson can at least potentially provide some offense they are both around the same defensively.

13 Apr 2021 21:40:19
I like Metes speed and ability ( at times) to move the puck out of his own end. I know he had his struggles, I wish the Habs could have developed him more in the minors. I don't know if he will ever reach it, but I thought he had the ability and potential to become a Bryan Rafalski type.

14 Apr 2021 06:28:20
Hockey sense and lack of all offensive ability will keep him from being a brian rafakski type. i guess he could develop into a good skating playmaker from the back end with time but he hasn't improved since he came in the league imo. I’d be surprised if their was a big improvement now. if he was over 6feet and 200lbs and was solid defensively he would probably be a top 4 dman but if that was the case he wouldn’t have been put on waivers.

14 Apr 2021 08:37:22
And I remember when he first came in the league, commentators would rave about his hockey sense, and was reason why he made the team ( although we both know, was more than likely there due to lack of depth)

I guess he came in, and at that age seemed very promising, but like you said, he never did improve.

Do you see Josh Brook as the next young guy to get a shot? What do you think of that Otto Leskinen guy?

14 Apr 2021 11:14:09
Brook took a small step back last year but looks much better this year he still has a shot and some time to make it for sure. leskinen is in a different boat as he’s older and may not get much of a look at least not with the Habs. they are very deep in defense prospects who are on their way that in the years to come there may not be room for all of them. norlinder struble guhle Harris are all ahead of brook potential wise but brook is closer to nhl ready right now so he might get a look next year.

14 Apr 2021 11:25:31
Gianni fairbrother is another good one probably the most physically strong player in junior hockey.

14 Apr 2021 18:45:11
Thanks Habby , hopefully some of em pan out. And not a bunch of David Wilkies.

12 Apr 2021 03:49:42
Gonna miss Ritter. : ( Brodie and Rittich are reunited once again, such an awesome goalie. Huge personality, always puts his team first and is not afraid to protect his teammates. Absolute stud, the Leafs need to bring that cup home.

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12 Apr 2021 01:10:58
I wonder how MoxNix and NotACasual feel after seeing literally every trade made being 50% retained

Am I a genius or was it just common sense that no contender can make trades without 50% retention?

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12 Apr 2021 05:54:48
Well obviously your not a genius nobody should be surprised about the salary retention but I am surprised with the low return some teams got back after retaining salary. not the foligno deal mind you but a lot of teams didn’t get a good return so far.

12 Apr 2021 12:01:05
No surprise but shocking at how low everybody is getting these players for. Especially in a weaker draft

12 Apr 2021 15:28:21
Your an absolute genius VB, I don't know what you do for a living, or if your in college, but whatever it is. you need to quit. and become a GM in the NHL right now!


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