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12 Aug 2022 15:23:52
All these flames trades are halarious! #pinballisback do you have relatives in Calgary?

Is it me or is calgary in "rebuild denial"?? Huberdeau is a great player... but 10.5 million for a guy that's 29?? Yikes and Weegar... he's 29 in January... but it's true some boats do have 2 anchors lol

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18 Aug 2022 22:12:51
They’re in win now mode, I’m sure they don’t care about the long term. They’ll probably be rebuilding in 5 years after their contender window closes. Someone’s jealous that their rival is making their team better after a disastrous beginning to free agency.

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19 Aug 2022 10:51:23
Calgary is doing pretty good. Markstrom is the reason they lost. Why all the hate?

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19 Aug 2022 13:32:30
@Habsreally yup, no matter how many goals Calgary scored, Markstrom couldn’t stop a beach ball. Markstrom threw and is the main reason flames lost.

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20 Aug 2022 03:44:53
100 percent they deserved to be there and how they played deserved to lose. How can you be mad when every game is 54, 65or 43.

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09 Aug 2022 13:11:34
I'm curious how WPG fans assess PLD's trade value. (Full respect WPG fans - sorry to bring this up.)

I respect Jets' fans and I hope they get good value for him in the way Treliving with Gaudreau.

Given that PLD will have to wait 2 years to "possibly" sign with MTL, and the fact that every NHL team now knows his preferred spot, his in-season trade value is impacted. It seems like the best chance to trade him is as a deadline rental. (For several reasons I don't see MTL as a logical trading partner.)

At the Trade Deadline I can see a max value for PLD as a 1st and a 2nd or a good prospect. At the least I see a 1st.

I'm curious how WPG fans see this ending. Island Jet, you're a legit WPG fan and a prudent/realistic observer. How do you see the PLD saga concluding, and where do you gauge the return?

(My apologies if this posts twice. I posted yesterday but perhaps something went wrong on my end👍).

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09 Aug 2022 15:08:53
I believe that if the Jets can't sign PLD by the trade deadline the Jets have 3 options.
1. trade him around the new year to a team that has a young skilled player that needs a change 1 for 1. Similar to the Laine trade.
2. trade him at the deadline in which they will get a couple of prospects and draft choices. This is a future trade if the Jets believe they need a do a rebuild.
3 trade him at the draft where they will get the best return of a top end player, A prospect and/ or high draft pick.

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10 Aug 2022 05:08:18
I think assuming he is dead set on signing with the habs is ignorant. I’m sure if a team like Tampa has the cap room he’d consider there in a few years.

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08 Aug 2022 16:55:44
Just to change the subject a little.😊.I'm curious about what WPG fans think about PLD's trade value.

First and foremost, I respect WPG fans, and I want them to have a great season and get a fair deal for the PLD asset.

Given that PLD is an RFA this coming June, and a UFA the following June, and given his interest in landing in MTL eventually, his value seems to be that of a pure deadline rental. Whoever gets him knows they're unlikely to re-sign him.

I doubt the Habs will trade for him. It's not the right fit for a few reasons. Therefore, if true Cup contender is looking for a 2C-3C for a playoff run this year and next, I suspect his max-value is:

1st & 2nd

or

1st & decent prospect

What do you think Jets fans? What will he bring, and when will he be traded?

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08 Aug 2022 18:59:18
I would like to see the Jets trade him 1 for 1 to a team that needs a change from one of their young, top end centre/ wingers. This type of trade can happen anytime by January or at the draft. If the Jets trade PLD at the deadline they will get A prospects and/ or high draft picks.
I would like to see them get a 1 for 1 top end player but if PLD doesn't sign long term before the deadline then he has to go by the draft.

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09 Aug 2022 13:24:50
PLD's minimum value at the TDL in two years is a first and a good prospect.

So, if he is moved now, you would need to pay for those extra two years and would need to add probably either another good prospect or a young top 6 player.

Most likely nothing happens until next summer unless Chevy gets a too good to be true offer.

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05 Aug 2022 09:26:04
Huberdeau resigned for 8 years.

1. $7M SB, $3.5M Salary
2. $7M SB, $3.5M Salary
3. $7M SB, $3.5M Salary
4. $9.5M SB, $1M Salary
5. $9.5M SB, $1M Salary
6. $7M SB, $3.5M Salary
7. $9.5M SB, $1M Salary
8. $5M SB, $5.5M Salary

Full NMC. Years 7 & 8 have partial NTC…can be dealt to 12 teams.

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05 Aug 2022 18:47:16
I really believe that the Flames won this trade in a big way.

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05 Aug 2022 18:59:52
I'm happy for the Flames that they were able to sign a guy of his calibre to a longterm deal, after watching a couple guys leave.
However, im not sure how good this will look after he reaches age 33++.
Thats the issue with UFA in the NHL. you get paid for what you did. Ad a Habs fan, im far to familiar with that. (Price, Weber, Gallagher ect) .
I wish the deals were 5 years max. and after age 35 . 3 years max . maybe even 2. for RFA., I still would keep them 8 years.
I totally understand the player getting all they can, they follow the rules of the CBA. I just find that these longterm deals to aging stars really handcuffs some teams

Then again. the GM, didn't need to sign him that long. ( probably lose him though if not 8 years)

However, I am happy for the Flames, and Huberdeau. good for smaller markets as well!

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05 Aug 2022 21:12:50
How does it all work with Signing bonuses MoxNix? That still goes against the Cap right?

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05 Aug 2022 23:45:50
I agree with Sosa. Right Now the deal looks great for the Flames and should ease the loss of Tkachuk quite a bit. But I think the last 4 or 5 years might get a little sketchy, since they can't move him until the last 2.

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06 Aug 2022 00:44:52
Yes of course signing bonuses count against the cap. But signing bonuses especially big ones like in Huberdeau's contract (same for Looch) make a contract "buyout proof" because:


"Signing bonuses are paid to the player regardless of a buyout. Therefore, as explained in the buyout caphit formula above, signing bonuses are excluded in the equation when determining the total buyout cost, and are included in the AAV value when determining the remaining caphit. " - Capfriendly.

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06 Aug 2022 01:52:06
Thank MoxNix. I thought they were, but wasn't sure how it all worked .

Are you happy with this?

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06 Aug 2022 03:28:43
I have mixed feelings about it.

I think they overpaid by about a million a year in salary and 8 years is a long time for a guy who's going to be 30 by the time the extension kicks in and 38 before it ends.

I don't like the heavy bonuses making the contract essentially "buyout proof" either.

On the other hand I'm happy they're going to have Huberdeau for quite a while and would much rather have him on a contract like that than little johnny.

I'm happy to see the last of little johnny. What I don't like is the way the whole fiasco went down with Bonehead Brad being stupid enough to let it happen in the first place!

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05 Sep 2022 04:09:21
for the first 4 years they have Markstrom (And Mangy, Anderson, Kadri) so the long term although scary is likely during the rebuild after the Flames move their chips in for 2-3 seasons at least. Guys will waive the no trade when the team starts rebuilding.

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03 Aug 2022 20:27:16
Why hasn’t any GM offer sheeted Sandin yet? Leafs have -1.5M in cap space and the compensation for a 2.1M offer is only a 3rd. Would a 3 year @2.1M AAV get signed or matched? Have the salary be in the 3M for his last year to get him a high AAV on his next contract.

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04 Aug 2022 00:35:51
Because Sandin isn't that good.

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02 Aug 2022 04:58:54
It's hilarious seeing the Devils getting absolutely mutilated in trade offers from Calgary fans. Bratt just broke out and has amazing chemistry with Hughes he won't be moved. If he were it'd take a kings ransom. It's not like he's in Fialas situation where the devils can't afford him.

Also Calgary fans. Lucic has negative value. Would cost a 1st to dump Atleast. Toffoli while a good player holds pretty low value due to no contenders having cap space to take him on. Porier, Kuznetzkov, Ruzinka, etc hold little to no value outside of the organization. For an example the leafs have Hirovinen who is a player I'm personally very excited about captain of Finland at the world junior and put up solid pro numbers in Finland. Like Ruzika he doesn't hold much value outside of the organization. Maybe a 2nd round pick tops. If you want players like Bratt expect to part with Assets like Rasmus Andersson or Atleast a package containing a combination of 1sts, Coronato,and Pelletier.

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02 Aug 2022 12:55:27
Calgary doesn't want Bratt. The team already has more left shot LW depth than they know what to do with.

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03 Aug 2022 13:03:24
Bratt put up 30pts the previous season…

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03 Aug 2022 14:02:45
In the long run NJ is going to regret trading Zacha instead of keeping him and trading Bratt.

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03 Aug 2022 23:14:43
Zacha isn’t that good…there was talks that he wasn’t going to be qualified. Very overrated player. Bratt broke out this year and he will put up over a PPG next season.

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27 Jul 2022 05:45:45
Not a Trade, but a Proposal:

Flames should sign Former Hitmen Jake Virtanen to help revive his career after his recent Not Guilty verdict

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27 Jul 2022 13:18:53
He could be a physical threat under Sutter. Virtanen reminds me of Ferland a lot

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27 Jul 2022 16:00:13
That's an interesting idea.

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29 Jul 2022 02:05:40
Sign both Kadri and Virtanen, then trade Backlund and Kylington for some combination of picks prospects and low cost depth players.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Toffoli
Mangiapane - Kadri - Coleman
Pelletier - Monahan - Virtanen
Rooney - Ruzicka - Dueher/ Lewis

Hanifin - Andersson
Zadorov - Weegar
Mackey - Tanev

Tanev gets his ice time reduced to keep him healthy. He'd still be on the first PK and he's proven to be a really good fit with rookie defensemen. Mackey likes to hit and adds some snarl to the pairing.

That's better than last year's team and without taking into consideration what they get for the players traded away. If Monahan rebounds or they can find a way to recover Monny or Looch's cap hit it gets even better.

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03 Aug 2022 00:43:45
Actually I think Mangiapane would be a better fit as first line RW.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Toffoli - Kadri - Coleman
Pelletier - Monahan - Virtanen
Rooney - Ruzicka - Dueher/ Lewis

Maybe Pelletier on the second line and Toffoli or Coleman on the 3rd line.

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26 Jul 2022 22:20:14
Awesome to see Jake Virtanen found innocent, a lot of red flags in her story! yikes! Yet cancel culture on twitter won't accept the verdict and still continue to hate him. Doesn't make alot of sense to me

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27 Jul 2022 00:23:04
Typical and sad. All it takes is an accusation and media attention to ruin a person's reputation forever.

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