NHL rumours 2

02 Dec 2023 17:23:00
Toronto: Chris Tanev 50% retained

Calgary: Roni Hirovinen, NYI 3rd round pick and Calgarys 5th round pick ( leafs own it )

I believe Tanev will be a leaf by the deadline and I feel like the return will be similar to this. Most will say it's not enough but this is the typical going rate for comparable dman with the flat cap.

03 Dec 2023 02:24:39
I think you’re right honestly

04 Dec 2023 15:29:44
Hirovinen can’t even get the call on a beat up not so good Leaf’s d. No thx on him.

04 Dec 2023 17:14:12
Well he probably hasn’t got a call up on the leafs d because he’s a centre lol.

04 Dec 2023 17:23:20
@Nashan you know Hirovienen is a forward right? Based on the cap and what some other players was are fetching, I'd say this will pretty close. Could see potentially a higher pick (not a first) if there becomes a bidding war.

04 Dec 2023 19:20:19
Thx MG. Must have been looking at one of the Fin defencemen. my bad. Still wouldn’t want him lol.

04 Dec 2023 20:29:20
@Nasher probably thinking of Niemela or Kokkonen

04 Dec 2023 20:29:31
@Nashan* oops

01 Dec 2023 17:44:28
Reimer, Kasper and Edvinsson to Edmonton.

Bouchard to Detroit.

01 Dec 2023 19:27:27
why would detroit do this?

02 Dec 2023 13:32:42
To shore up their defense with a offensive type of defenseman that is more suited to the type of game they are trying to play.

02 Dec 2023 17:23:31
Hard pass from the wings.

02 Dec 2023 20:29:06
Hard pass from the Oil.

04 Dec 2023 01:08:32
Value might be close but doesn’t make sense for the Oil to trade a point per game D when there in win now mode.

05 Dec 2023 20:21:23
I don’t care if the oilers are offered that they take it. Right now yes Bouchard is the best player but Bouchard is a flawed player. ( still very valuable) Edvidsson will be better and Kasper looks promising. That’s 2 top 10 picks for a dman equivalent to a prime Klingberg.

01 Dec 2023 16:54:53
What has to be added to a trade like this hanifan for Romanov and wahlstrom

01 Dec 2023 17:50:05
NYI wanted Zadorov, I'm assuming for his size and physicality, so they'd probably want to keep Romanov. Flames want to max out the return for Hanifin and are rumoured to be willing to let the teams interested discuss a contract extension.

02 Dec 2023 02:42:54
Mhm, it appears that they are very interested in Hanifin aswell I guess. I don’t even know what a trade would look like, the Flames don’t need Wahlstrom and could take back Romanov.

01 Dec 2023 01:21:21
👀 Further to my last tweet ; I’m told the @MapleLeafs were trying to acquire both D Zadorov and Tanev from @NHLFlames . With the @Canucks Zadorov deal now complete, the #LeafsForever  will continue shopping 🛒 for Blueline help
- Kevin Weekes


1hr ago

01 Dec 2023 13:44:22
Thank god Zadarov didn’t go to the leafs.

01 Dec 2023 16:38:20
What do you think Leafs pay for Chris Tanev @VBB?

RD
33 Years Old
4.50 x 1 UFA

23GP | 1G 5A | 6Pts
2PIM | +5 +/-

Proj. WAR 98%
EV Offence 52% | EV Defence 100%
Finishing 64% | Teammates 53%
Penalties 83% | Competition 71%
Goals 39% | 1st Assists 51%

01 Dec 2023 16:53:35
Anybody else see Morgan Frost as a good fit for the flames if they trade lindholm.

01 Dec 2023 17:08:12
Everyone thinks he is better than he is. Reason why he is third pair. People butchering Conroy. Flames paid Third rounder to get him. Good riddance should be flames response.

01 Dec 2023 17:47:58
@meandme I don't think Lindholm would fit into the Flyers plans but Frost would be a really interesting pickup if the Flames acquired him.

@Nashan He is capable of a Top 4 D role though and you'd think trading him to a division rival would've gotten the Flames at least a 1st. Cap space gained is huge for the Flames but it kinda feels like an underwhelming return considering how well he's played this season. But maybe it's just me as a fan overrating one of more likeable personalities on the team.

01 Dec 2023 20:42:05
@meandme just re-read what you said, my fault. Yeah, I could easily see the Flames being interested in Frost if and when the Flames trade Lindholm. Lindholm will be a very hot commodity and a lot of teams will be on him when he's made available according to Darren Dreger. Hopefully his offence gets better but his two-way game and low cap hit is highly attractive to a contender.

01 Dec 2023 22:10:18
Rumour is the flames are asking for a 2nd and a b prospect for Tanev.

02 Dec 2023 01:45:04
They better not.

02 Dec 2023 02:44:02
2nd and Abruzzese, I swear to god if they retain and only get that lol

02 Dec 2023 03:24:41
No Zandorov isn’t a capable top 4 d and never has been. He’d fit in no cup contenders top 4. He is a 5th dman that throws huge hits.

02 Dec 2023 07:36:40
@VBB Zadorov was looking for around 4mil long term extension so if Van wants to pay him that then that’s their fault. His situation was similar to Toffoli, they both wanted long term deals and the Flames said no so they requested trades almost immediately after they didn’t get what they wanted lol

02 Dec 2023 15:07:33
Toffoli is good and Zad is a good bottom pairing guy. Tanev is a solid top 4 dman but is 34 and injury prone.

29 Nov 2023 17:55:59
Nashville- Jusso Saros

New Jersey- Vitek Vanecek and Nemec

Nashville- passes the tourch onto Askarov and gets a potential number 1 dman to build around in Nemec.

New Jersey- there goaltending has been awful and with Saros in net they get a top 5 goalie in the league who's still young.

01 Dec 2023 01:10:40
You'd have to add a first + for saros.

01 Dec 2023 01:24:13
Goalies don’t typically hold that kind of value. The most a goalie has ever been traded for was the 9th overall pick in the 2012? NHL draft and he was the 23 year old goalie who surpassed Roberto Loulongo coming off of a Olympic gold medal win as the starter.

Goalies=NFL Kicker of NHL

Nemec a 2nd overall pick last year is enough for Saros imo.

27 Nov 2023 09:02:56
TOR : 2024 2nd
BUF : Henri Jokiharju

27 Nov 2023 20:41:39
He doesn’t make the leafs. Brodie is the leafs best dman on the right side, Lilijgren has good chemistry with McCabe and has came a long way with the leafs and Klingberg is there for the PP. Leafs won’t be sitting a 4 million dollar player in the press box.

24 Nov 2023 20:11:52
Alright here's a wild one with how bad Edmonton is doing and the wake up call my Sens need. What if they make a blockbuster between them sending McDavid and Draisaitl to Ottawa for a massive haul.

EDM : McDavid, Draisaitl

OTT : Chabot, Batherson, Norris, Taresenko, Kubalik, Forsberg/ Korpisalo, Boucher, 2024 1st, 2025 1st,

Ottawa gets the leagues best 2 players without giving up the support they have to pair them with and frees up a little space to sign Pinto, while Edmonton gets a completely new look Top unit, a decent support forward, a solid prospect, a quality goalie who's better than what they have now, and 2 unprotected 1sts to boot.

Ottawas new look Top 6

Tkachuk McDavid Greig
Draisaitl Stutzle Giroux

Draisaitl would be a great German Mentor for Stutzle and McDavid would be the peice to put Ottawa in the driver's seat in the Atlantic.

Edmonton new look Top 9

Hyman Norris Batherson
Kane Nuge Terasenko
Kubalik McCloud Brown

Plus they would have a 1 2 punch defense with Chabot and Ekholm and a better Goaltender and some future stock with Boucher and the picks.

25 Nov 2023 03:22:58
This is a lil more than a wild one.

25 Nov 2023 20:54:46
Quality over Quantity. As a sens fan, if we wanted McDavid (excluding Drai) it would probably take one of Stu or Sanderson to get the convo started.

Counter Proposal:
Chabot, Forsberg and a 2nd for Nugent Hopkins and Broberg

I do like Chabots fit on the Oilers assuming they manage to move clear cap and RNH accepts NMC. Forsberg immediately moves into their 1G role. Ottawa gets a good locker room team player on a great contract. Broberg gets a change of scenery and the 2nd can be used as part of the Campbell move.

27 Nov 2023 15:01:30
HockeyDads although I don't mind Nuge, he ain't worth Chabot let alone Ottawa adding Forsberg and a 2nd lol that just sends one sided vibes the likes of the Zibanejad and a 2nd for Brassard trade from years ago which was horrible for Ottawa in the moment and aged even worst. No thanks.

Also, what are you talking about quality over quantity for? That has nothing to do with this trade at all. Sure none of these guys are on the same level as Draisaitl or McDavid but honestly, who in the league is? Does that mean there is no quality here? Not a chance!

Chabot is one of the leagues best Top 2 Defensemen. Batherson is a young RW on a favorable contract who is more than capable of a point per game pace. Forsberg or Korpisalo have more than proven in recent years they are both very capable starting goalies. Norris is easily, like Batherson, more than capable of a point a game pace, could likely score 40 plus goals in a season, and is easily a Top 6 Center on any team he plays for. Teresenko may be older but he's proven in the past and is proving right now that he's a very capable winger himself who can at minimum put up 60 plus points. Boucher is still considered a high end prospect. And Kubalik is a solid middle 6 guy who's capable of 25 plus goals a season. Plus you add in a couple unprotected 1sts in 2024 and 2025. Call me crazy but you'll have to explain to me how you can honestly make that claim that this is quantity without quality? Lmfao This trade litteraly screams quality + quantity for quality to me and anyone who knows a thing or 2 about hockey!

29 Nov 2023 11:14:05
I’m just saying if Edmonton ever traded McDavid they would need a superstar they can build around in return. I know how good all those guys are, but none are the superstar you build around.
That’s why I said it would need to be Stu, Sandy or Tkachuk as one of the pieces.

30 Nov 2023 01:44:07
Both Norris as well as Chabot are young enough and skilled enough to build a team around dude.

Chabot is a Top 2 teir Dman who proved already that given the right defense partner he can be among the leagues best defensemen, he litteraly did just that when he was paired with Dylan Demelo of all people, that type of dman to pair him with isn't hard to find or get either.

And Norris within a few seasons already posted a 35 goal, point a game campaign as a rookie / softmore. Dude hasn't even come close to his prime yet.

Either one of those guys can easily be built around. Sure they ain't Tkachuk or Stutzle or Sanderson, but that don't mean they ain't great in their own rights. Plus the mentor figure Taresenko, a great young linemate on one of the best contracts in hockey in Batherson, a Solid prospect in Boucher, a starting Goalie far better than the ones they currently have, and 2 1sts which could essentially be both this year since Ottawa does have 2 this year and as we stand right now, one of those is looking great so far.

24 Nov 2023 11:09:03
Edmonton :
I. Samsonov G

Toronto:
J.Campbell G (50%)
1st 2025

25 Nov 2023 20:55:21
Remove the retention and I think both sides would probably do.

25 Nov 2023 21:39:46
You think the leafs would do that without retention? You might think the leafs are awful but any idiot should be able to know that the leafs ownership group believes they are contenders. There is no possible incentive the leafs could get that’d get them to take on Campbell.

26 Nov 2023 02:08:12
Massive term difference and think would need to add a prospect.

Doubt this is realistic as leafs didn't want Campbell because of his term.

23 Nov 2023 21:10:17
Chi: mrazek, Phillips edm: Campbell, broberg, 1st, 26'2nd. Saves Edmonton 1.2mil, mrazek playing good this year and gives Edmonton in position to be free of all bit spinners contract after this year. add 22 year old nhl readyish defenseman. And Chicago gets more building blocks for ahl goalie making 5 mil for 3 and half more years. Probably a buyout after next year or after that.

23 Nov 2023 20:44:04
Chi: Murphy, perry(50%) to tml: klingberg, domi, 3rd, 4th. Who knows who's on klingberg no trade clause but domi liked chicago. Tml save 700k and get solid rd and perry great 4th line and 2nd pp. Chicago just takes the worst contract this offseason, domi can play with Bedard and get a couple picks.

23 Nov 2023 23:05:44
I'm gonna up it to a 2nd, 3rd. Instead of 3rd and 4th.

27 Nov 2023 11:59:27
No offer jn the league would make the leafs move Klingberg or Domi they choose to come here.

23 Nov 2023 16:49:38
2 trade proposals for The Leafs.

First Proposal.
Calgary Trades
Tanev

Toronto Trades
Klingberg
Kokkonen (AHL)



Second Proposal.
Chicago Trades
(Future Considerations)

Toronto Trades
Reaves
Abruzzese (AHL)


Calgary might get more from another team but with Bogosian going to Minnesota from TB for a 7th Round Pick and Tanev being comparable my proposal imo is similar.

Chicago with a ton of Cap add a policeman for Bedard plus a prospect for really nothing.

Toronto gets a Defenceman much needed in Tanev and Klingberg might be done but it solves that mystery of what to do with his contract, these 2 proposals both improves Defense and adds Cap to active Connor Timmons as well, and if PKane decides to play in Toronto for a minimum one year contract this would give The Leafs enough to do this or just recall McMann or some other AHLer.



Thoughts ?

23 Nov 2023 17:45:34
Come on Pinball. Tanev gets a good prospect plus a good pick. Leafs will need to pay to rid themselves of Klingberg.

23 Nov 2023 18:13:19
Leafs will not trade Klingberg even if the oilers offered McDavid straight up. Klingberg chose Toronto last season and wants to be a leaf.

23 Nov 2023 18:55:00
Coulson
Bogosian was traded this season from TB to Minnesota for a 7th Round Pick, Tanev and Bogosian are very comparable so to think Tanev will get a good prospect and a high draft pick, than you really aren't accept Tanev isn't worth more than a late round pick just like Bogosian.
Ask yourself why Tanev would be worth more than Bogosian, unless you really haven't watch either Tanev and Bogosian play.

23 Nov 2023 20:34:49
Pinball, everybody here knows you don't watch hockey. Equal players. if you don't watch hockey, at least read about it.

24 Nov 2023 15:24:09
Bogasian cap dump to activate Fluery from injury. We finally found a player VB likes. Klingberg of all players. 😂😂.

26 Nov 2023 04:08:31
Accept tansv plays solid top 4 minutes and boggasian is a 6 to 7 d at most don't really see tansv being scratched.