NHL rumours 3

07 Mar 2024 05:01:47
a little disappointed with the Hanifin return but the flames were handcuffed from Hanifin and his agent. I thought it would be much worse once i heard Tampa.

Hanifin for Conditional 1st, Conditional 3rd (basically a 2nd, lets be real) and Miromanov

Chychrun for Conditional 1st, 2nd and 2nd

Hronek for Conditional 1st and 2nd

pretty solid considering Chychrun and Hronek both had term and good AAV while Hanifin is a UFA.

07 Mar 2024 16:28:58
Yeah it's tough when your GM is handcuffed. Overall though, you had his services for a couple years and recouped some assets for a player that wanted out, all considered, Calgary did alright.

07 Mar 2024 16:41:31
@memarcusjoe yeah, Hanifin is definitely getting boos when they play against Vegas on the 14th. nobody likes what him and his agent was doing to Conroy. American players have become such a headache for the Flames. Hopefully they won’t have to worry when the new arena is finished and the retool is complete.

07 Mar 2024 19:47:38
Those 1sts in Chychrun and Hronek deals are both a lot higher then Vegas pick.

07 Mar 2024 20:39:58
That's true @Vbb but Hanifin is a UFA who got to pick his destination because his snake of an agent and he's older than when Chychrun and Hronek were traded.
I hope VGK uses the 2025 1st because the 2026 1st will be unprotected. So realistically if they trade that 2025 1st the Flames got an unprotected 2026 1st, 2025 2nd (if VGK wins a round) and Miromanov for a UFA that got to pick his destination. I don't think it was gonna get any better than that, Tampa was gonna fleece them so hard. It's a real shame Hanifin pulled this on the Flames but their ownership deserves it, they've got to be the worst owners in the league. They Conroy back out of the Markstrom deal when realistically we ain't making the playoffs, he's gonna get lit up behind this atrocious defense and his value will never be higher. NJ is willing to take his full salary and won't ask Conroy to take a contract, rumoured to be offering Holtz, 1st and 2nd. Flames will be mediocre forever if this ownership doesn't let Conroy do his job, sorry for the rant.

07 Mar 2024 21:58:05
CASUAL: I hear you, but when Hanifin kneecaps the GM like he did, it is bound to affect the return.

It could have been worse though, Tampa didn’t have much in assets to trade, so at least there’s that👍.

07 Mar 2024 23:09:22
@Chickenfoot Yeah heard Flames went back to Tampa to tell them their offer from Vegas and Tampa panicked trying to up their offer but it was too late. Vegas basically asked the Flames what they wanted and offered up something similar. Glad they stepped in or Tampa would’ve taken advantage of a lose-lose situation for Calgary.

08 Mar 2024 02:08:07
CASUAL: absolutely Tampa would have taken advantage, and you have to admire Vegas’ absolute determination to win at any cost. I was impressed mostly by how Conroy and his team have handled their first deadline.

As usual, so many teams improved themselves SO much. It’s going to make for some great playoffs, and of course, some VERY disappointed fanbases when some very good teams are out in the first round.

09 Mar 2024 03:11:17
I don’t think his value was affected as much as you say. Yes he was being picky about where he was willing to resign which anyone would be but to my knowledge he had no trade protection so he could’ve went anywheres. He was traded as a rental because he is a rental.

09 Mar 2024 11:20:21
He had a modified NTC where he had an 8 team list of where he wouldn't go. Idk if Conroy allowed for communication to happen in regards to an extension with any team he was potentially going to then it definitely opened up the window for Hanafin to say: "I'm not signing an extension here. " I think he resigns with Vegas. Vegas will dump a contract for cheap like they did with Smith and be on their way.

06 Mar 2024 20:44:37
Blues Trade
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Brodie
Timmons
1st Round Pick 2024 or 2026 (STL choice at this upcoming draft)


If Treliving wants to make a serious splash on Defense this is the type of trade he should make, is it enough to get Parayko is the biggest question.



Thoughts ?

07 Mar 2024 22:17:12
- is the reality of the leafs trade deadline moves registering with you in any way Pinball?

- Treliving inherited years of mismanagement from Dubas. The lineup is top-heavy and years of trading picks have left few real prospects and only 3/ 9 picks for the next 3 years’ first 3 rounds of the draft.

- Treliving was always going to be limited in what he could do at the deadline. Everyone seems to understand that.

- given what he inherited, I’d say Treliving has done some decent bargain bin shopping to address his back end needs.

- Edmundson is battling a variety of physical ailments, but he will play smartly within his limitations and make the front of the net unpleasant for opponents.

- Boosh will be a good add for the leafs back end too. Neither he nor Eddy cost much in assets, and they addressed the leafs’ most obvious needs: defensive depth. (As many here have pointed out to you. )

- if the feedback to your one-sided trades that mostly focused on adding forwards doesn’t register with you, perhaps the reality of this trade deadline’s moves and asset costs will.

09 Mar 2024 11:33:18
Treliving improved the team without breaking the bank. Dewar can slot in at any forward position, kill penalties, physical for his size. Boosh and Edmundson add that snarl on the backend.

This wasn't the year to big game hunt. We didn't have the prospect depth or the draft capital that other teams were working with. Hell, we don't have a draft pick in 2025 until the 5th round. This group is going to have to come together down the stretch; continue playing with a bit of snarl and a chip on their shoulder; and hopefully one of the goalies gets hot at the right time.

06 Mar 2024 20:18:08
To Toronto- Parayko and Neighbours

To Blues - Brodie, Minten, Niemela and 2024 first

blues could then flip Brodie for a pick with some retention.

07 Mar 2024 12:57:29
I watched the Blues a couple days after making a Parayko trade and he’s still a horse. the contract is a little scary but he’s solid out there.
Neighbours was also one of the best Blues players out there, I’m guessing he’s next to untouchable.

07 Mar 2024 13:22:36
That doesnt get you parayko not at all. Neighbors isn't for sale. Why would anyone do that?

06 Mar 2024 19:57:50
J. Edmunsson (50% retained) to Oilers for B. Stonehouse & 3rd round pick.

D. Savard (50% retained) to Leafs for N. Robertson & M. Ellis.

07 Mar 2024 05:03:36
are you a Leafs fan by any chance? cause that heavily favours the Leafs

07 Mar 2024 20:36:54
Looks like Edmundson went for a 3rd & 50% retained without the journeyman included. But it didn’t favour the Oilers…lol

Savard makes millions per year by the way.

07 Mar 2024 22:24:21
Savard for the pair of 5’ 9” nobodies?

And 50% retained for this year and next without compensation?

Get real man.

🚫💩.

06 Mar 2024 15:48:21
Pittsburgh Trades
RSmith*

Toronto Trades
Gregor
NRobertson (AHL)
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)

*Pens retain 50% of RSmith's remaining contract.


Dubas will be trading age for youth as well as an obvious upcoming UFA by Friday, some might argue Pittsburgh would say no to this proposal, imo this is about right.

Leafs solidify the third line adding RSmith and strength the 4th line moving Jarnkrok with Holmberg and Kampf with Reaves being the 13th forward for any future rough games like The Rangers game.


Thoughts ?

06 Mar 2024 18:35:57
After seeing Senko go for a 3rd and 4th I’d imagine you could drop Robertson from the deal.

06 Mar 2024 20:29:21
Not needed for Toronto.

06 Mar 2024 22:00:14
The Senko trade definitely doesn't set the price for top 6 players value. He had a full NTC. He ultimately got to decide where he went and because of that tied Ottawa's hands as to what they could acquire. They opted to at least get something for him rather than him leaving for nothing at the end of the year. Florida got a steal and bolstered and already very strong lineup even more.

07 Mar 2024 22:25:40
The leafs need D, and have smartly made modest deals for D.

06 Mar 2024 07:41:38
St. Louis:
Colton Parayko (remaining cap hit today:$1,455,729)

Edmonton:
Cody ceci (remaining cap hit today:$727,865)
2024 first round draft pick
Xavier Borgeault

(Possibly involve AZ to take on 25% of cap for a 2nd round draft pick/ Rafael Lavoie)

06 Mar 2024 20:25:30
That’s a 6 yr commitment on retention. Can’t see it.

06 Mar 2024 21:09:39
Lol not gonna happen. that's a joke of a trade.

06 Mar 2024 22:23:19
Yeah lol um no thanks. Sounds awful.

08 Mar 2024 19:08:12
Do you realize Parayko is signed for 6 more years after this one?

06 Mar 2024 05:05:48
To Detroit: Noah Hanifan signed 8 years extension.

To Calgary: Nate Danialson, William wallinder or axel sandin pellikka, 2024 1st round pick and 2025 1st round pick.

Close or to much for Calgary ?

06 Mar 2024 09:59:26
Detroit says no thank you.

06 Mar 2024 12:51:14
I highly doubt Stevie Y trades ASP anytime soon. Guy is so mobile and plays a smart defensive game as well.

06 Mar 2024 20:31:21
What if signed the return is Danielson, wallinder, matta, 2024 first.

06 Mar 2024 04:57:01
To New Jersey: Jacob markstrom no retention

To Calgary : Alex holtz, Seamus Casey, 1rd pick 2024 and Nico daws or Akira Schmid

A little insurance in net for the future .

06 Mar 2024 20:38:03
Replace Casey with Clarke and I like it.

05 Mar 2024 16:12:52
EDM Trades:

- Jack Campbell's turd of a contract.
- 2nd ('24)
- 3rd ('25)


MTL Trades:

- Allen


- Campbell's minor league cap hit and Allen's actual cap hit are an identical 3.85M, and therefore cancel each other out this year and next.

- the 2nd & 3rd are compensation for the Habs having the last two years of Campbell's contract. (It also acknowledges the weakness of the current goalie market giving Allen little value.)

- this gives EDM a credible, veteran, NHL backup who isn't good enough to spook Skinner, but provides a real opportunity to reduce Skinner's playing time before the playoff grind. (Allen has Cup experience as a back-up, and knows what a good back-up needs to do to support the starter.)

- MTL solves their crease and turns it over to the kids. (They can buy out or trade the last 2 years of Campbell if necessary.)

- Contingent on Allen & Campbell waiving their NTC's.

05 Mar 2024 17:32:52
For this I think I would rather give future considerations and snag the first from your previous offer.

05 Mar 2024 18:04:23
Take more than that to get rid of Campbell's contract.

05 Mar 2024 20:04:01
I'd still want a first for taking that contract.

05 Mar 2024 20:45:20
You have a deal Chickenfoot!

06 Mar 2024 00:56:16
Montreal declines.

06 Mar 2024 03:11:24
I rather keep Allen and free cap space next year, we don't need picks.

06 Mar 2024 13:55:38
I think Montreal would want more but, I think you’re right and the Oilers taking back Allen might lessen the picks given up. Oil would rather stick with Pickard at 800K considering how well he’s played.

05 Mar 2024 15:57:41
EDM Trades:

- Jack Campbell (contingent upon him waiving his NTC)
- 1st (2025 - better quality draft)
- 3rd (2024)


CHI, ANA, or MTL:

- Future Considerations


- EDM dumps Campbell's deal at the expected price to whoever will take it.

05 Mar 2024 16:25:28
Would you take Allen for that? Take away the 3rd coming back.

05 Mar 2024 18:05:35
This is closer.

05 Mar 2024 18:06:28
SOSA: check out the other trade I had posted regarding the inclusion of Allen. I think it works for both as well, but you be the judge.

05 Mar 2024 14:57:55
PIT Trades:

- Guentzel (25% retained)


VCR Trades:

- Podkolzin
- 1st ('25)
- 4th ('25)


- PIT receives 3 pieces they're looking for.
- VCR stays aggressive in going for it this year.

05 Mar 2024 16:26:15
I think the Canucks should focus more on a dman?

05 Mar 2024 20:07:47
Pitts is looking for prospects more than picks.