NHL rumours 10

10 Sep 2023 16:58:28
2 Trade Proposals to Get The Leafs under the cap limit.

Calgary Trades
Hanifin

Toronto Trades
Brodie*
Liljegren

*Brodie would have to accept the trade otherwise it's a no go obviously.


Pittsburgh Trades
ANylander

Toronto Trades
Lafferty

They were traded once before for each other so why not one more time.

Leafs do these 2 proposals they are not over the cap anymore with MMurray and Muzzin going on LTIR when the season starts.


Thoughts ?

11 Sep 2023 01:06:17
I know you Leaf fans think poorly of Hanifin but that trade is brutal.

11 Sep 2023 03:38:51
I can't see any scenario where the Flames make that deal lol

12 Sep 2023 20:08:06
Great joke post. Pinball has to be the funniest guy on the internet.

10 Sep 2023 07:47:17
To Winnipeg Jets :
G - Linus Ullmark ( 5.00 @ 2 UFA )
RD - Brandon Carlo ( 4.10 @ 4 UFA )
1st Round Pick in 2026 - BOS

To Boston Bruins :
G - Connor Hellebuyck ( 6.16 @ 1 UFA )
C - Mark Scheifele ( 6.12 @ 1 UFA )


another mock trade, this would obviously be a trade that would keep the Jets competitive. Ullmark has been rumoured to be on the trading block and their biggest weakness is C. Assuming the Bruins would have no problem resigning these them, idk though. What do y’all think?


Kyle Connor - Cole Perfetti - Nikolaj Ehlers
Alex Iafallo - Gabriel Vilardi - Nino Niederreiter
Rasmus Kupari - Vladislav Namestnikov - Mason Appleton
Morgan Barron - Adam Lowry - David Gustafsson

Josh Morrissey - Neal Pionk
Nate Schmidt - Brandon Carlo
Brendan Dillon - Logan Stanley

Linus Ullmark
Laurent Brossoit


Brad Marchand - Mark Scheifele - David Pastrnak
James Van Riemsdyk - Pavel Zacha - Jake Debrusk
Morgan Geekie - Charlie Coyle - Fabian Lysell
Milan Lucic - Patrick Brown - Trent Frederic

Hampus Lindholm - Charlie McAvoy
Matt Grzelcyk - Kevin Shattenkirk
Derek Forbort - Jakub Zboril

Connor Hellebuyck
Jeremy Swayman

10 Sep 2023 11:27:25
- perhap the B’s replace Carlo with a different positional player than Carlo, who would also play behind DeMelo in the D pairings.

- To get Scheifele and Helly i think BOS would need to include more assets as well.

- these teams seem well suited as trade partners to come up with a fit along these lines.

10 Sep 2023 15:34:35
It is a fair trade but the Jets waiting until 2026 for a 1st is a long uncertain time so it should be unprotected.

10 Sep 2023 17:10:56
Not enough to get both Jets. You could get one with that offer, but with the 1st being 3 drafts away, definitely not both.

Plus Ullmark says no.

09 Sep 2023 23:58:44
To Carolina Hurricanes:
LW - Nikolaj Ehlers

To Winnipeg Jets:
RW - Seth Jarvis
1st Round Pick in 2024 - CAR
RW - Cruz Lucius


To Boston Bruins:
C - Mark Scheifele

To Winnipeg Jets:
RW - Fabian Lysell
D - Matt Grzelcyk
1st Round Pick in 2026 - BOS



Kyle Connor - Cole Perfetti - Seth Jarvis
Alex Iaffalo - Gabriel Vilardi - Nino Niederreiter
Rasmus Kupari - Vladislav Namestnikov - Fabian Lysell
Morgan Barron - Adam Lowry - Mason Appleton

Josh Morrissey - Neal Pionk
Matt Grzelcyk - Nate Schmidt
Brendan Dillon - Logan Stanley / Dylan Demelo

Connor Hellebuyck
Laurent Brossoit



Just a little on the fly retool, Jets get younger and cheaper which should be the direction they take after the inevitable Helle trade.

10 Sep 2023 11:28:42
This looks good to me👍.

10 Sep 2023 15:54:30
I don't like the either trade as the Jets have enough small, bottom 6 players.

10 Sep 2023 17:12:49
Carolina isn't moving Jarvis and Grzelyck as an LHD provides no value to Winnipeg.

10 Sep 2023 17:18:53
Plus a 1st 3 drafts in the future does little to help the Jets now and wouldn't carry much value.

09 Sep 2023 10:23:21
To Toronto Maple Leafs :
LD/RD - Bowen Byram ( 3.85 @ 2 RFA )
1st Round Pick in 2024 - COL
3rd Round Pick in 2025 - COL
RW - Logan O’Connor ( 1.05 @ 2 UFA )

To Colorado Avalanche :
RW - William Nylander ( 6.96 @ 1 UFA )




Tyler Bertuzzi - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Matthew Knies - John Tavares - Max Domi
Nicholas Robertson - Calle Jarnkrok - Logan O’Connor
Sam Lafferty - David Kampf - Ryan Reaves

Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Bowen Byram - John Klingberg
Mark Giordano - Timothy Liljegren / Jake McCabe


Jonathan Drouin - Nathan MacKinnon - Mikko Rantanen
Valeri Nichushkin - Ryan Johansen - William Nylander
Miles Wood - Colton Ross - Artturi Lehkonen
Andrew Cogliano - Ben Myers - Fredrik Olofsson

Devon Toews - Cale Makar
Samuel Girard - Josh Manson
Jack Johnson - Kurtis MacDermid

09 Sep 2023 11:11:52
again. you are overvaluing Nylander. too many parts for one guy.

09 Sep 2023 18:35:00
I don't see that happening Casual. That is way too much to give for one year of a winger they can't resign.

09 Sep 2023 23:47:40
@memarcusjoe yeah i forgot to mention it was a sign and trade once again lmao my bad, even still a little much probably. It was originally supposed to be Byram, O'Connor and a 1st for Nylander extended but i thought it was too little.

09 Sep 2023 23:54:22
As a leafs fan I really don’t want another LD but for cap purposes I’d swap Nylander for Byram 1 for 1.

10 Sep 2023 11:33:01
I can’t foresee COL trading Byram, but these teams seem to have the potential to make some kind of deal.

11 Sep 2023 14:27:45
Nylander extended (depending on the amount) holds a tonne of value. That being said I don't see Byram being dealt anytime soon. With Landy being out for the foreseeable future I could see them going after Nylander, but the one guy that woulda been an intriguing add for the Leafs got dealt to the Habs already.

11 Sep 2023 19:44:52
MG - I am curious which player you're referring to that was traded to MTL that would have been intriguing add for the leafs.

12 Sep 2023 18:45:05
@Chickenfoot- Newhook (obviously would have been other removing pieces as well) . I just think he would have added something to the 3rd line. Durable guy (played every game last year) with pretty good foot speed who I think still has some room to grow at only 22 years old. Habs did well with Dach and I think they'll do the same with Newhook.

13 Sep 2023 19:36:48
MG: Gotcha. I'm curious to see if the kid has more to offer. Dach surprised me too. I thought he was going to be one of those guys who is talented, but injury-prone, and therefore not reach his potential.

Time will tell the truth, as it always does.

09 Sep 2023 04:19:47
To Winnipeg Jets :
LW/RW - Andrew Mangiapane ( 5.80 @ 2 UFA )
2nd Round Pick in 2024 - CGY
C - Topi Ronni ( unsigned )

To Calgary Flames :
LW/RW - Nikolaj Ehlers ( 6.00 @ 2 UFA )



LW/RW - Nikolaj Ehlers, 27yrs old
( 6.00 @ 2 UFA )
Last 2 Seasons
62GP | 28G 27A | 55Pts | +18 +/- (21-22)
45GP | 12G 26A | 38Pts | -2 +/- (22-23)

LW/RW - Andrew Mangiapane, 27yrs old
( 5.80 @ 2 UFA )
Last 2 Seasons
82GP | 35G 20A | 55Pts | +20 +/- (21-22)
82GP | 17G 26A | 43Pts | +12 +/- (22-23)
*played through an injury all season, is 100% healthy for next season*


Ehlers’ analytics are very very good aswell, I just didn’t wanna have to make a huge post. Ronni is a solid prospect and a former 2nd rounder in 22. The reasoning for grabbing Ehlers is for Huberdeau’s wing, Jets grab some futures and a good replacement at a slightly lower cap hit.


Not too sure who says no, I just really wanted to post something different. Thoughts?

09 Sep 2023 17:11:22
It isn't that this is an interesting offer however I really don't believe that the Jets are going to trade Ehlers unless its at the trade deadline after a lousy season.
Change the 2nd to a first and replace Ronni with a better prospect or the Jets might look to trade him elsewhere.

09 Sep 2023 18:37:23
I can't see the Jets doing that. Mangiapane's contract is one that should be avoided.

09 Sep 2023 19:47:33
Ehlers is injury prone, has not played a full season in 6 years. Remove Ronni and make it a third pick.

09 Sep 2023 23:55:29
Winnipeg declines this. Mangiapane and a 1st is interesting tho if Jets decide to sell.

03 Sep 2023 23:21:35
To Calgary Flames :
C - Peyton Krebs ( 863k @ 1 RFA )
LW - Victor Olofsson ( 4.75 @ 1 UFA )
1st Round Pick in 2024 - BUF

To Buffalo Sabres :
D - Noah Hanifin ( 4.95 @ 1 UFA )
C - Mikael Backlund ( 5.35 @ 1 UFA )

Reasons :
Noah Hanifin & Mikael Backlund are rumoured to want out.
Buffalo wants to make the playoffs, they have been really interested in Hanifin since the Draft and have 8mil in cap space.
Krebs has been extremely disappointing but I think the Flames would take the risk. Olofsson has been rumoured to be on the trading block for some time now.


Jonathan Huberdeau - Elias Lindholm - Matt Coronato
Victor Olofsson - Nazem Kadri - Andrew Mangiapane
Jakob Pelletier - Peyton Krebs - Yegor Sharangovich
Dillon Dube - Blake Coleman - Walker Duehr

Mackenzie Weegar - Rasmus Andersson
Oliver Kylington - Chris Tanev
Nikita Zadorov - Jordan Oesterle


Jeff Skinner - Tage Thompson - Alex Tuch
JJ Peterka - Dylan Cozens - Casey Mittelstadt
Jordan Greenway - Mikael Backlund - Jack Quinn
Zemgus Girgensons - Tyson Jost - Kyle Okposo

Noah Hanifin - Rasmus Dahlin
Mattias Samuelsson - Owen Power
Connor Clifton - Erik Johnson

06 Sep 2023 00:20:20
Take out backlund and is close.

06 Sep 2023 00:23:20
No responses……. lol. I’m thinking Buffalo needs one of their prospects added. Especially if it is sign and trade. Which is what the Flames should do.

06 Sep 2023 19:10:31
No one wants Hanfin. I can’t wait to see him moved for a couple of 2nds or maybe a late 1st at the deadline.

07 Sep 2023 01:05:41
I know right. Who would want a 26 yr old 6’3” 210 lb half a point per game great skating dman? I don’t know.

07 Sep 2023 18:32:45
Just because you’re attracted to men at that height and weight doesn’t mean other men in those positions are.

07 Sep 2023 20:20:56
Well today some website is saying hanifan and mangiapane for nylander and liljegren and prospect. I hope that happens so vbb can start saying what a bargain defenseman he is.

08 Sep 2023 10:13:30
Nashan made a great point and backed it up.

Then he receives a homophobic reply.

Nashan - that just means he can’t counter your logic. He is what he is, and you are 100% correct.

30 Aug 2023 15:08:02
Islanders are a team that’s very weak on RW (Palmieri, Wahlstrom, Clutterbuck & Martin) and were 22nd in scoring.

To New York Islanders :
RW - William Nylander ( 6.96 @ 1 UFA )

To Toronto Maple Leafs :
RD - Noah Dobson ( 4.00 @ 2 RFA )
RW - Oliver Wahlstrom ( 874k @ 1 RFA )



T Bertuzzi - A Matthews - M Marner
M Domi - J Tavares - M Knies
N Robertson - C Jarnkrok - O Wahlstrom
S Lafferty - D Kampf - R Reaves

M Rielly - N Dobson
T Brodie - J Klingberg
M Giordano - J McCabe / T Liljegren


A Lee - M Barzal - W Nylander
B Nelson - B Horvat - K Palmieri
P Engvall - J Pageau - C Clutterbuck
R Johnston - C Cizikas - M Martin

A Pelech - R Pulock
A Romanov - S Mayfield
S Bolduc - S Aho / R Salo

30 Aug 2023 18:02:23
I can't see the Islanders giving up Dobson for 1 year of Nylander. A Dobson type is much harder to find than a Nylander type.

31 Aug 2023 04:11:12
That's fair, i should've said Nylander with an extension cause I assume they'd make sure he's resigned rather than acquiring him as a rental.

31 Aug 2023 12:35:10
no way the Islanders move Dobson.

31 Aug 2023 19:34:08
If they were getting a signed Nylander, they would trade Dobson.

31 Aug 2023 20:25:55
Dobson won’t be traded.

01 Sep 2023 13:17:10
- IF Nylander was re-signed, it makes some sense valued and needs-wise, even though I personally would rather have a horse like Dobson in my lineup. (What an incredible skater to see from ice-level. )

- It would take a great offer or situation to make most players forego their shot at unrestricted free agency. Most want to know what's out there for them to consider.

- NYI are a half million over the cap as-is, and this deal puts them at 2.5M over the cap, even before Nylander's raise next year.

- In a cap-strapped league with only 5 teams with 5M or more in Cap Space it's going to be challenging trading or signing big salaries, so I guess I think the ANA rumors are more likely.

30 Aug 2023 03:43:30
Tor: nylander, brodie....chi: Allen, guttman, athanasiou. Chicago is stacked with young left de, Allen would be the first round pick, athanasiou scored 20 on a terrible team, guttman great bottom 6. Nylander is him, Toronto gets there cap relief. Chicago is rebuilding but I think nylander would still be young enough in a few years.

30 Aug 2023 04:34:50
Reichel is gonna need help so chicago can give up a strength, maybe chicago adds a draft pick but tops a 3rd round but taking brodies salary would take away from nylander.

30 Aug 2023 05:34:22
I think I've made reasonable arguments
I try to be unbiased.

30 Aug 2023 13:42:03
Nolan Allan, Cole Guttman and Andreas Athanasiou wouldn't be enough to fetch both Nylander and Brodie imo. I think Leafs say no. Good post though, completely different than what we normally see.

01 Sep 2023 13:25:56
SHOOTS: you are definitely an unbiased cat who makes reasonable arguments, no question.

In this kind of cap environment it may be worth it to the leafs to take a lower return to move Nylander and Brodie to create the cap space to facilitate another move, so I can certainly see what you're getting at. Interesting take Shoots.

29 Aug 2023 15:39:25
Calgary trades:

Igor Sharangovich
lw/rw/c
3.1 mil

Nikita Zadorov
ld/rd
3.75 mil

2024 2nd round draft pick

=6.85 Mil traded away
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To Toronto For:
_________________________________

William Nylander
rw/lw
6.96m

Timothy Liljegren
rd
1.4m

Simon Benoit
.775

2024 4th round

=8.775 Mil traded away

- Leafs gain cap space of 1.925 Mil

-They also gain a 2nd rounder for next years draft

- They up their toughness on D while also finding a player who may not score as much as Ny but is a two way player that can play in a top 6 role.
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Calgary gets the best player and can deal with Ny's cap hit next year.
- They would still have to juggle their line up to be cap compliant this year but, also gain back some younger D men - 1 that is tough (not as tough as big Z) but still can bring that forte to the game and another who can progress up the lines.


all n all both gms walk away from this trade feeling they did the right move to address their now respective clubs.

29 Aug 2023 15:52:13
Be great for calgary to have nylander but they don't want to go in cap hell like the leafs. I think nylander will get something like this because leafs backed themselves in a corner.

29 Aug 2023 16:22:07
God you soundboard stupid for trading 2 1st round picks, 1 with e cepgionally high value, for a middle 6 keefoot type player and a big body slow footed rhd, and ontop of that your literally trading the guy we signed less than 48h ago.

29 Aug 2023 18:46:17
Hrenklin
Yes I did a deal that gave the Leafs some cap space and Calgary takes it on. ( but ino will trade Hannifin and can be cap friendly by trading for picks and a prospect if they choose to do so.

Pssst for some reason you call Big Z slow and slew footed like he does nothing for a TEAM AND, . Yes I traded up for toughness, more reliable, more experience.

I feel like the Leafs now is very well rounded, and teams won't run our players (including our young guns and goalies)

29 Aug 2023 19:08:49
Leafs say no.

29 Aug 2023 19:20:26
But we're not balanced if we still haven't brought in a top 4 RIGHT HANDED defenseman.

26 Aug 2023 22:17:21
WPG
Scheifele
Heinola
NYR
Chytil
Schneider.

NYR owner is not very patient and with NYR signing Wheeler. Why not trade for his buddy Scheifele. The reason for Schneider being included is that it's either him or a 1st RD pick.
Chytil may not be as good Offensively as Scheifele but matches size and is better defensively.
Hellebuyck is a huge question mark.

Also think the Winnipeg Jets should sign Nolan Patrick
Max Comtois
They both need new starts.
Patrick closer to home. And well Max Comtois would bring size and toughness back to the team.
Winnipeg Jets were a good team last year but played way too soft. They need toughness, grit, sandpaper type players.
As of right now the Jets fate will be a repeat of last year or a little worse.

27 Aug 2023 15:49:33
I sadly agree with MuzzaO1 view on how the Jets played last few seasons.
I think this trade is fair for both teams and I like the free agent signing of Patrick.
Scheifele needs a change and Heinola needs a fair chance which he would get in NY.

27 Aug 2023 16:10:08
Rangers didn't wanna give up Schneider for Eichel, I doubt they trade him for Scheifele.

27 Aug 2023 17:22:45
NotACasual the biggest difference between Scheifele and Eichel is that Eichel may never of played again from his neck injury and Scheifele scored 43 goals last season and is $4 mil per year cheaper. That is why the win now Rangers might do this trade.

27 Aug 2023 17:52:56
As nice as the trade looks for Winnipeg, I think there is almost no chance the Rangers trade Schneider.

26 Aug 2023 00:49:56
Nylander trades

Chicago: Nylander 6.9 and Timmins 1.1 for Connor Murphy 4.4 Taylor Raddysh 0.795 and 1st.

26 Aug 2023 06:33:20
I doubt Chicago trades any of their firsts considering it could be a top 5 pick.

27 Aug 2023 16:04:58
Well truthfully Nylander is etabilshed 1at top pick Then you have contingency of 1st and 2nd the following year if top 10 or highest 1st round pick that not theirs.

27 Aug 2023 16:13:19
Chicago is a rebuilding team, Nylander is 27 and will be a UFA next season. Not only that, they're extremely weak on defense so trading someone like Murphy wouldn't make too much sense. A lot of reasons to why this trade makes no sense for Chicago, good post though at least it's different than what we usually see on this site.

28 Aug 2023 01:38:36
Casual nailed it👍.

29 Aug 2023 16:09:17
Nylander return gonna be underwhelming for leafs fans. Murphy is chicagos best defenseman so they'd like him to be paired with one of the young guys. Casual covered most of it. Raddysh is a 20 goal guy for under a million, hes got to be worth a ton to a cap riddled team like Toronto. So him and vlasic and a 3rd for nylander id say would work.

30 Aug 2023 05:24:55
I'll go à 2nd cause chicago has a ridiculous amount of 2nd and 3rds. My opinion they need reichel help. What would they need to pry nylander away?