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08 Jul 2019 03:55:59
How would people feel about Marner for Gaudreau? Obviously Toronto would have to add a bit but I just want your opinions

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08 Jul 2019 06:12:00
Toronto would have to add quite a bit.

08 Jul 2019 06:52:54
But that's ar equal salaries.

08 Jul 2019 12:56:26
Marner is the better younger player they certainly don’t need to add and home town boy traded for American players leafs fans would burn Dubas at stake.

08 Jul 2019 15:07:09
Why would any of the teams do this?
Calgary has no reason to as they don’t want to mess anything up on the Gaudreau Monahan Lindholm line.

08 Jul 2019 15:56:15
Gaudreau is .98 PPG and Marner is .93 PPG. Marner is 3 years younger. Please explain Mantha why the leafs add quite a bit. You are one of the main reasons why people can’t have a normal conversation on this site. You judge by the jersey a player wears.

08 Jul 2019 15:58:36
Well Marner can do litterly everything Guadreau can And on top of that can kill penalties and has the heart to battle in the corners.

08 Jul 2019 16:08:49
I don't see why Toronto would have to add?
Also, neither team would do this .

08 Jul 2019 16:36:08
Calgary would probably never do it and the only reason Toronto would even think about it is because there cap hits.

08 Jul 2019 17:07:43
As players I think value is even, marner younger and bigger, gadreau has a steal of a contract like MacKinnon. Both teams would want an add though, as both players mean do much more to the teams.

08 Jul 2019 17:11:47
Marner is very one dimensional. Gaudeau plays at both end of the ice and will get 90+ points for years to come. You win Stanley cups with guys like Gaudreau, you win president cup with guys like Marner.

08 Jul 2019 17:49:03
I don’t see the point. Unless Leafs bring in a Norris caliber right hand defenseman to play beside Reilly, Marner ain’t going anywhere.

08 Jul 2019 18:51:50
Marner is one of only a few players on the leafs that play at both ends of the rink. You obviously don’t like Toronto so your opinions are warped.

08 Jul 2019 22:41:34
I actually like every Canadian team, even Toronto. I like them more then the Jets. I really liked Nazem Kadri, thought he was a really good 2 way center, but for what they got for him, I would of traded him too. @Leafs17 My opinion altought u do not like it, is what I believe and is not influenced by any supposed personal biased.

09 Jul 2019 01:40:25
Yah you also think Ristolainen is close to Jones. Your opinion is irrelevant. No offence.

09 Jul 2019 08:27:47
@sosa: TOR would add because the players are comparable, pree much equally good, but one has a 6.sthM cap hit and the other demands and will prolly get almost double of that. It's as easy as that.

09 Jul 2019 23:31:34
Gaudreau is on a steal of a contract and has proven more. Toronto adds

09 Jul 2019 23:32:40
I kinda think Calgary adds, I'm closer to a Calgary fan but marner has a more complete game. Draisaitl >maner>gudreau. Gudreau has no defensive game whatsoever.

07 Jul 2019 15:16:09
Buffalo Trades
Sheary
Ristolainen
6th Round Pick 2020

Nashville Trades
Turris
JDavies (H-East)
3rd Round Pick 2020

Similar type Trade Toronto and Colorado made that fits both Teams needs.

Thoughts ?

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07 Jul 2019 16:20:47
Except is giving the 3 worst pieces in the trade besides the 6th.

07 Jul 2019 17:12:56
Risto is the best piece in this deal. Turris might turn things around and be a good player again but I think I would want more to take that chance if he's as bad this year he might start making lucic contract look good ( slight overstatement)

07 Jul 2019 18:01:58
If you look at the underlying stats ristolainen is horrible, maybe playing for buffalo doesn't help but even on a good team don't think he'd be good.

07 Jul 2019 19:25:51
I’d do Barrie for Risto in a heartbeat.

07 Jul 2019 19:25:55
On a good team as a 2nd pair dman he'd be just fine he's not a number 1 which is what was expected from him in buffalo.

07 Jul 2019 22:42:19
He's a really good defensemen imo, he's not that far off Seth Jones.

08 Jul 2019 01:09:34
LOL not far off Seth Jones he's like minus 144 in his career.

08 Jul 2019 01:13:40
He's nowhere close to Seth Jones but he is around Jeff petry and jake muzzin level.

08 Jul 2019 01:52:14
Habby I kind of disagree but agree at the same time He’s near Elite on the PP and elite physically. He’s one of the most aggressive players in the game. His play in his own end on the other hand is below average and that’s being nice. He’d be good paired with a safe Dman like Vlasic, Slavin or Suter. He’s proven he can log 30 min a night on some nights but should be played a role around the 21 minute mark.

08 Jul 2019 03:07:55
you should talk to some buffalo fans re: their thoughts on risto. paints a pretty clear picture.

08 Jul 2019 04:03:46
But again vbb he looks that bad cause he is used on the top pair and he should be on the 2nd pair.

08 Jul 2019 12:57:39
Yah you’re right.

08 Jul 2019 14:11:31
Risto is def a first pair defensemen in the likes of Drew Doughty, Seth Jones ect.

08 Jul 2019 15:38:59
You have never watched hockey in your life if you believe that.

08 Jul 2019 15:57:27
I had no idea Risto was that physical. I’m going to have to pay more attention to him.

08 Jul 2019 16:38:45
He is an extremely physical dman sometimes it gets him in a little trouble defensively but I'd like to see him play in a playoff series I think a lot of people who don't like him would Change their view.

08 Jul 2019 17:19:42
He can hammer boys at Will he looks for the hit which isn’t good for a dman.

08 Jul 2019 17:52:51
Risto is extremely poor defensively. I don’t think Nashville would consider taking him on when they already have Ellis and Fabbri. And I don’t see how Turris is a fit in Buffalo either.

07 Jul 2019 03:15:14
I.Provorov, S.Couturier & pick for M.Marner.

A.Mantha, T.Bertuzzi & pick for M.Marner.

R.Dahlin, S.Reinhart & pick for M.Marner.

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07 Jul 2019 05:19:16
Overpayment from Philly. Underpayment from Detroit. Overpayment from Buffalo. Haven't you guys learned anything? Stop with these stupid over evaluations.

07 Jul 2019 06:46:00
Overpayment, Underpayment, Overpayment

07 Jul 2019 08:02:44
Dahlin, Reinhart and pick is really something. What are you on?
PHI also easily declines.
DET should probably pay more unless it's a good first.

07 Jul 2019 15:19:52
Dahlin is equal to Marner at least. Philadelphia overpays but Couturier holds minimal value to leafs because he’d be the 3rd C that is a 1C. Detroit adds quite abit I like Beurruzi and what he brings but they need a dman.

07 Jul 2019 17:46:11
Agree with @The_Triplets

Marner alone isn’t as valuable as your centre piece defenceman and a 30 goal, 70 point centre.

Detroit definitely needs to add.

Marner to Buffalo just won’t work and makes Buffalo worse. Dahlin is going to be their franchise defenceman and Reinhart finally seems to turn into what he was projected to be.

08 Jul 2019 17:55:06
I would rather read a real trade proposal with explanation than some sort of “would you rather? ” post.

06 Jul 2019 23:17:00
Anaheim Trades
NRitchie

Toronto Trades
Hyman
JLindgren (AHL)

The Ducks are said to be looking to unload NRitchie as it's time for a change of scenery for NRitchie, Hyman is a good replacement plus depth on the Right Side Defense is what the Ducks are searching for.

For the Leafs it's a bit of Cap Space Relief plus getting a different look adding a Power Forward is something I believe puts more balance on the Top 6.

Thoughts ?

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07 Jul 2019 04:22:01
That's a decent offer, but can Toronto take that cap?

07 Jul 2019 14:44:35
@Shootsmcgee NRitchie's Cap hit is lower than Hyman's if Toronto can get Marner at 10 to 10.5m and they put Horton's 5.3m yes the Leafs are just under the Cap.

07 Jul 2019 18:04:59
Ah, should of looked, thought Ritchie was more.

07 Jul 2019 19:27:31
Shootsmcgee probably thinks Jesperi Lindgren And Timothy Lilijgren are the same player LOL.

08 Jul 2019 17:56:18
Babcock would break Dubas legs if he made this trade.

Hyman makes more than Ritchie for a reason.

06 Jul 2019 20:23:18
How about a deal of RFAs?

Marner and a prospect like Bracco to Philly for Provorov and Konecny?

Philly is already pretty solid on defense and Marner gives them two solid lines.

Leafs have a defense of

Reilly Barrie
Provorov Muzzin
Dermott Ceci.

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06 Jul 2019 20:26:23
That's not bad actually.

06 Jul 2019 21:46:58
Oof if Provonov was a RHD I’d probably take that I believe leafs decline.

07 Jul 2019 02:21:29
Provorov>Marner.

07 Jul 2019 08:03:41
The Leafs certainly don't decline this, VB, c'mon. A #1 D is moooore than enough to make up for the difference between Konecny and Marner.

07 Jul 2019 11:23:45
I think that's ok, maybe philly adds a draft pick.

07 Jul 2019 14:51:41
Konecny has minimal value compared to a top 15 player in the NHL. Would you do this trade for Kucherov?

07 Jul 2019 16:32:46
In no world does Provorov have more value than Marner. I get the position importance but Marner is a top winger in the league. Provorov is a good young dman who is not a number 1 yet or may never be.

07 Jul 2019 17:24:04
Mariner has more value then provorov but konecky has way more value then bracco on top of that the leafs could probably sign both of those players for the price of marner.

07 Jul 2019 17:47:44
Vb it’s not Konecny for Marner one for one so your Kucherov comment is immediately disregarded. You’re ignoring the fact that there’s a franchise defenceman going back the other way.

07 Jul 2019 22:13:36
Franchise dman is a huge overstatement he’d be a number 2/ 3 on almost all playoff teams.

08 Jul 2019 10:21:49
He's still very young tho. Provorov is easily seen as a future #1 if he isn't one yet.

Also, Kucherov is worth more than Marner, esp considering he's signed at like 2M less than what Marner going to get and that's for 8 more years. Not even mentioning he had 128 pts last year.

08 Jul 2019 12:59:38
You don’t think Marner can score a 128 points next season?

08 Jul 2019 17:58:39
Provorov and Konecny aren’t signed either. I can see the two combined making more than Marner. Can Leafs afford this?

09 Jul 2019 08:28:49
VB, I said this earlier: talk to me about this once he's done it.
He hasn't even cracked a 100 yet, so maybe don't talk about 130, eh?

06 Jul 2019 09:28:36
#1
To CGY
William Nylander

To TOR
Sam Bennett
T.J Brodie
Second Round Draft Pick

#2
To CGY
Kyle Turris

To NSH
Michael Frolik
First Round Draft Pick


Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Elias Lindholm

Matthew Tkachuk - Kyle Turris - William Nylander

Mark Jankowski - Mikael Backlund - Matthew Phillips

Andrew Mangiapane - Derek Ryan - James Neal

Mark Giordano - Rasmus Andersson

Noah Hanifin - Travis Hamonic

Juuso Valimaki - Oliver Kylington

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06 Jul 2019 17:14:30
I’d love the 1st trade and I think it’s fair. The leafs need a player like Bennett and Nylander would fit in Calgary’s top 6.

06 Jul 2019 20:58:50
I don’t think Nylander has that kind of value. With his contract I wouldn’t even do him straight up for Brodie.

07 Jul 2019 02:41:51
Nylander is going to return to his old form this year. I want Calgary to get him while his value is low and his contract looks bad. Because next year i see him hitting 70pts easily with all the upgrades dubas has made.

07 Jul 2019 13:17:42
With all the upgrades Dubas has made, Nylander is will be playing elsewhere next year.

07 Jul 2019 17:17:32
They upgraded the defence that shouldn't affect nylander.

07 Jul 2019 17:43:03
Yes but now they have no money to keep Nylander and sign Marner. Unless they don't match and offer sheet for Marner.

07 Jul 2019 21:21:09
Who is giving up a 1st let alone a 1st+ for Turris?

08 Jul 2019 18:00:45
Both these trades favor Calgary. The second one in particular heavily favors the Flames.

06 Jul 2019 03:35:46
It's RFA season

Marner to Colorado 11.5 M

Tkachuk St Louis 9M

Point Columbus 11 M

Provorov Edm 4M

Laine Van 7M

Rantenen ...9M ..matched by Colorado

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06 Jul 2019 04:28:29
I'd think every team matches except point and tkachuk.

06 Jul 2019 04:41:54
LOL at Provonov at 4 million he’ll probably get around Aho’s contract. Same with Laine.

06 Jul 2019 05:30:53
Definitely agree with vbb on that. Philly would easily match.

06 Jul 2019 06:12:17
Yeah the provorov deal is the easiest of all to match.

06 Jul 2019 07:10:06
Conroy said tkachuk isn't signing any offer sheets so that's good

06 Jul 2019 07:40:52
Tampa would probably match point at 11 tbh, and if not that’s probably 4 lottery picks. I don’t seem him signing an offer sheet for what it’s worth, he already turned down Montreal.

06 Jul 2019 09:34:18
Point turned down an Offer Sheet from MTL, why would he sign one with CBJ now?
Also Provorov going to get more, although VB saying he'll get Aho money is fairly insane, too.

06 Jul 2019 11:29:25
Maybe Montreal only offered 5 million to point? It’s pretty stupid to infer that because he declined 1 offer he wouldn’t sign another. Montreal probably low balled him.

06 Jul 2019 14:17:40
No point came out and said MTL offered a good contract but I don’t want to leave Tampa.

06 Jul 2019 16:08:28
VB at worst Montreal offered Point what they gave Aho. It wouldn’t make sense for them to go lower, when they realized they weren’t going to get Point they pivoted to Aho.

06 Jul 2019 17:21:35
@jbs So now that you can see the difference of how two players acted when approached with an offer sheet could you now admit that aho was at least slightly intrigued by playing in Montreal lol.

07 Jul 2019 02:21:32
Shoots
Every team could match but Toronto. they don't have the cap space to match 11M.

07 Jul 2019 03:54:29
Never said he wasn’t intrigued, but the deal he accepted screamed he was just trying to hurry it up with Carolina and says nothing about him trying to get out of Carolina by any means possible. Not to mention maybe Point would have accepted the same deal knowing Tampa would accept, Montreal got the feeling they wouldn’t get Point maybe Point would only accept something he knew Tampa would match while Montreal was really banking on that front loaded bonus structure with Carolina.

07 Jul 2019 06:31:24
IVe actually been hearing over the last few days that Tom dundon told some player agents from the team that he wouldn't be giving out any signing bonus on contracts so there is that too. I haven't really took the time to verify this but I have read or heard about it a few times since the offer sheet. maybe it's just another rumour but it is picking up a little steam In the ole mill.

07 Jul 2019 08:04:49
Thanks, jbs delivering the basic logic VB apparently wasn't able to grasp. So much for "stupid", hihi.

08 Jul 2019 18:06:14
Toronto has the ability to match virtually any offer sheet put towards Marner. If there was even the slightest doubt about Toronto’s financial position, Marner would have been OS’d already.

08 Jul 2019 18:16:25
This debate is pointless. Edmonton needs Draisaitl a lot more than they need Marner.

06 Jul 2019 03:32:05
Toronto:

Mitch Marner
Rasumus Sandin
2nd round pick

Edmonton
Leon Draisaitl.

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06 Jul 2019 04:43:14
No from Leafs wouldn’t do Marner straight up for Drais not sure if Edmonton would either but Drais would be an over kill at 3C.

06 Jul 2019 05:14:11
Lol typical, overvaluing marner. Leon is on an amazong contract, for sure less than what toronto is going to pay marner at 8.5 a year. For a 50 goal scorer who plays on the worst team and is a centre and is much bigger. You've really got to get your rubbish straight If you think marner is worth more than Draisaitl.

06 Jul 2019 05:15:08
And to put leon as a 3c on any team is ridiculous. He is already better than JT

06 Jul 2019 05:48:00
I think marner for draisaitl 1for1 is fair

06 Jul 2019 09:36:37
Considering contracts, Draisaitl definitely has more value than Marner. Both are extremely good offensively and defensively, Mitch a bit more creative, Leon better physical play. But 8.5M is around 3M less than what Marner is going to make and EDM is already in cap trouble, too. So Leafs would def add.

06 Jul 2019 11:36:20
No he’s not better then Tavares and he’s not even a PPG player without McDavid most likely. Marner is a near top 10 player in the game. If Drais is so good why’d you want to trade him.

Kucherov and 2nd for Marner would be more fair then this Marner is on trajectory to becoming as good as Kuch where Drais looks like a complimentary piece to McDavid.

06 Jul 2019 15:35:54
To be fair vbbbb marner would only be a complimentary piece to mcdavid.

06 Jul 2019 16:15:26
I wasn’t going to comment but you think Tampa would add a high pick to the guy that scored the most points in the league (by a fair bit) and is locked in under 10 mill for Marner? Who despite what you say definitely benefits from playing with Tavares, something Kucherov didn’t have early in his career.

06 Jul 2019 17:23:26
I'm actually surprised he doesn't think marner could get kucherov and point lol.

06 Jul 2019 17:53:52
Edmonton will not be trading Draisaitl and yes his contract makes him much more attractive compared to Marner. With the way contracts seem to go up every year, Draisaitl’s contract is great. The leafs would also be stupid to trade a great winger and their top d prospect for another center. I think Shotgun just felt like arguing.

06 Jul 2019 20:23:41
I wonder how many points would Marner get with McDavid. Probably a lot more then he did with Tavares.

07 Jul 2019 00:16:40
Vb really just said Draisaitl isn’t a PPG player without McDavid when Marner wasn’t a PPG player until he had Tavares lmao, you’re clueless Vb.

Draisaitl has more value than Marner for the reasons already stated above and Kucherov DEFINITELY has more value than Marner lmao, it’s not even a question.

07 Jul 2019 02:13:07
Tavares wasn’t a point per game player until he got Marner LOL Marner wasn’t a PPG player because he was like 4 foot 6 and 98 pounds until this past season Marner carried Tavares on his back Tavares would be a 70 point player without Marner.

07 Jul 2019 05:23:16
Tavares isn’t a PPG player without Marner? That’s odd considering he had 84 points his last year with the islanders LMAO. You’re clueless Vb, get off Marner’s D. He’s good, but not THAT good. You take Tavares away and he’s a 65-80 point player, max.

07 Jul 2019 14:54:10
Marner will put up 127 points next year wait and see. Tavares will put up 98 points and Mathews will put up 99.

07 Jul 2019 14:56:39
Also that year for Tavares was a outlier ( go look up what outlier means because I would assume you don’t have a clue. )

07 Jul 2019 19:56:18
Marner is top20 player in points, he's worth a gudreau. Draisaitl is so much better all around player. He doesn't need McDavid and has had great production playing without him. To say marner is even close to draisaitl is ridiculous.

08 Jul 2019 01:55:33
Marner is a 22 year old Patrick Kane. Drais is a 23 year old Kopitar.

Kane>Kopitar.

06 Jul 2019 01:23:47
To CGY
William Nylander

To TOR
T.J Brodie
Sam Bennett
2020 Second Round Draft Pick

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05 Jul 2019 21:34:01
Mtl- danault-suzuki-brooks- 1st pick 2020

Wpg- laine

If wpg refuse offer sheet 10.4 5 year


Tatar-kotkaniemi-laine
Drouin-domi-gallagher
Lekhonen-poehling-armia
Byron-cousins-weal

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05 Jul 2019 23:05:01
Switch brooks with Mete/ Juulsen then I don’t mind it.

06 Jul 2019 07:10:09
Add Kotkaniemi and you're closer.

07 Jul 2019 02:26:16
Kotkabiemi>Laine.

07 Jul 2019 16:04:56
Lol Laine’s autograph>Kotekaniemi.

07 Jul 2019 17:26:46
I think the thought process here was to get someone to play wit KK so if he has to be added to the deal then it just doesn't happen.

07 Jul 2019 18:03:21
If they REFUSE the offer sheet? So techically giving Danault, Suzuki Brooks, 2020 1st, 2 First rounders, 1 second rounder and a third rounder? No thanks, that's way too much.

07 Jul 2019 20:15:08
That comment tops the bias chart Mantha.

07 Jul 2019 23:18:12
I really need to know your thinking here Mantha. Laine nearly scored as many goals as Kotkaniemi had points in Laine’s worst season of his young career. Let me guess, Kotkaniemi is the best defensive center in the game? He’d have to be miles above Bergeron for him to compare to Laine. We all know you’re extremely bias but at least explain your reasoning.

08 Jul 2019 01:17:05
Why create another monster? Just like we don't need vbbb to explain why marner is the best offensive and defensive player in the world. Just let it be and walk away lol.

 


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