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18 Oct 2019 22:30:37
" To Leafs
B. Tkachuk- Adds goal scoring and grit.
Sens-
W. Nylander-skilled centre or winger
Kerfoot-speedy centre
N. Robertson- Leaf prospect averaging 2pts a game with the Peterborough Petes in OHL
2nd rd pick 2021"
This is a copy and paste from HF Boards with Senators fans saying they'd take it and run with all other fans saying leafs lose. I feel like you guys will have a much different take.
1.) 18 Oct 2019 22:44:13
Wow. Them handful of Sens fans on that site are just as dumb as their owner.
2.) 18 Oct 2019 23:30:59
Yikes, thatās a fat no from Ott.
3.) 19 Oct 2019 05:42:02
Sens take on 10 mil more in cap seems highly unlikely especially for them.
4.) 19 Oct 2019 06:35:11
No from Sens
5.) 19 Oct 2019 12:10:03
Sens laugh and hangup right away.
6.) 19 Oct 2019 12:10:24
Either this site has heavy bias against the leafs or there is Differentiations of hockey knowledge between the two sites. While HF boards may have a higher concentration of leafs fans the Ottawa fans still like it. I think people should look at this form posted on HF Boards I feel as if many people here have been Brainwashed into Believing Nylander isnāt a great hockey player. I for 1 believe Ottawa takes this and runs but as said Melynk does not take the 10 million it can be argued Nylander is currently the better player then Tkachuk ( we all know this siteās opinion as an whole ) Kerfoot a young 3C, A solid prospect and a pick.
7.) 19 Oct 2019 13:42:12
I looked up that trade on there and it seems to me most sens fans didn't like the trade but to be fair I only read a few pages of the replies.
8.) 19 Oct 2019 13:57:13
I don't think either team takes this kind of deal. Sens would add a lot to their cap and are in a full rebuild. Tkachuk may command 7-8 million in summer 2021 but that's not until the conclusion of next year. By then kerfoot would only have a year left and nylander only 2.tkachuk would have 5 years of control plus whatever extra years of ufa ottawa signs him to in his next contract. ottawa passes
Toronto while taveras is hurt would be left with only 1 top 3 center. Even when he comes back this deal still makes leafs worst right now . which right now is the goal not in a few years. Yes the cap savings is great butwhats the point of icing a cap savings team. Unless toronto replaces kerfoot right now than this leaves the leafs weak up the middle. i'd also hate losing robertson. he'd be
ReƔdy when johnsson is an ufa. toronto passes
Not a bad thinker of a deal.
9.) 19 Oct 2019 20:03:42
Lol what? How are people saying this is bad for the Sens? The bias against the leafs in this website is going way to far. Hear the leafs are trading an elite winger, a 3C who can jump into a top 6 role, a future top 6 forward, and a 2nd for an elite winger.
Nylander straight up is fair. Lay I checked Tkachuk has yet to hit 50 points while Nylander has hit 60 twice.
10.) 19 Oct 2019 20:46:11
Robertson is a defenceman no? Lighting up the OHL. Weāre ypu referring to another prospect named Robertson?
11.) 19 Oct 2019 21:20:25
Isn't nylander on pace for 50 points? It's not like he's tearing up the ice or anything. Not saying he won't get there but ill hold off on the elite talk for awhile yet.
12.) 19 Oct 2019 22:22:11
Iām still hoping for vbbās prediction of Nylander 90pts and Marner 130pts. The leafs are barely holding a playoff spot and without Tavares, it may be a tough couple weeks or more. Itās still early but Toronto hasnāt beat a good team yet.
13.) 19 Oct 2019 23:15:54
Robertson is a LW who is indeed off to a great stsrt along with another leaf prospect as his center SDA.
14.) 20 Oct 2019 01:12:00
Is Brady Tkachuk really that much better than Nylander that Leafs need to add all that? Itās a huge premium.
15.) 20 Oct 2019 03:48:10
Nylander is an elite winger? You do realize heās on pace for about 45-50 points right? Not exactly elite unless standards have fallen more that I realized.
16.) 20 Oct 2019 11:34:50
Aho is on Pace for 30 does that mean heās not elite?
17.) 20 Oct 2019 17:37:53
No it doesn't vbbb but at least he was elite at one point of his career.
17 Sep 2019 20:02:01
Jets- Laine
Carolina- Pesce And Necas
Jets get a younger cheaper replacement for Trouba and a potential 2C for a player who is not fitting in ( should be a 40+ goal guy. )
Carolina gets a top 5 goal scorer in the nhl.
1.) 17 Sep 2019 21:07:15
I think that would be a good basis to start if the Jets decide to move Laine.
2.) 17 Sep 2019 21:46:07
Jets arenāt getting Necas and Pesce. People need to stop undervaluing Necas.
3.) 17 Sep 2019 23:23:00
Necas has a good shot of being a great #2
Same with pesce.
4.) 17 Sep 2019 23:43:12
Thatās too much from Carolina. Necas is ranked as their top prospect I believe. You underrate him in this deal. Would be a win for Winnipeg. Liane would be a good fit in Carolina tho. Unless Liane signs long term under $8M then I maybe would from Carolina.
5.) 18 Sep 2019 10:25:05
Laine is underrated imo 2nd to best goal scorer in the NHL besides OVI.
6.) 18 Sep 2019 16:03:43
Yeah, Laine is the second best goal scorer, but anyone who watches him out there will know that the rest of his game is severely lacking. I canāt help but think back to the clip of big Buff shouting āyou got to moveā at him while he was stood still in the corner like a pylon. If you take Laineās goals away, heās barely an NHLer, and that severely detracts from his value.
7.) 18 Sep 2019 19:35:49
Sure but goal scoring is the hardest thing to find in hockey he can transform any PP and he has the size/ hands to create space.
23 Aug 2019 02:56:39
leafs need to sign Marner and may have to make a few trades.
Edmonton- Puljujarvi, Neal ( cap dump) and 3rd
Toronto- Tavares ( if he waives ) And 1st
Toronto saves over 5 mil in cap. Edmonton gets a player to battle Nuge for 2C. Edmonton would then need to make a few more deals to fit under the cap.
Toronto- Rielly
Islanders- Dobson
Toronto frees another 5 million and gets the 2nd to best defence prospect in the game. Also fills the RHD slot. The Islanders get a top 10 dman.
Leafs sign Marner- 8 years @ league Max 16 million per 128 million USD/178 million CAD gross per full length of contract
Marner will follow his same development path as last year and have 25 point increase while improving all around game. By the end of his career he'll be known as the 3rd to best player besides the Great one and Bobby Orr ( discluding original 6 greats ) you heard it hear 1st bold prediction
1.) 23 Aug 2019 05:36:31
thank you vb, very cool!
2.) 23 Aug 2019 06:01:56
So marner > lemieux?
Also wouldn't Edmonton be giving up the 1st, not Toronto? Tavares >>>> Edmonton package.
Tavares for rnh, puljujarvi, and a1st would be closer.
3.) 23 Aug 2019 08:15:03
aaaaaand just like that Toronto is rebuilding again.
4.) 23 Aug 2019 10:11:52
Tavares>Marner, so VB is saying Marner is worth less then the Edmonton package?
5.) 23 Aug 2019 11:20:40
Marner at 16m? Ahahahah 3rd best player loooool vbb is a joke bruh
6.) 23 Aug 2019 13:51:02
This should go on the fantasy page.
7.) 23 Aug 2019 14:44:13
Another great troll job. šššµš«.
8.) 23 Aug 2019 17:28:05
Mario was unreal but didnāt have the instinct of Marner. McDavid and Crosby are unreal but if Marner continues is trajectory he should be a 150 point player he turned a 70 point Tavares into a 50 goal guy imagine what he could do with good linemates. I hope heās traded to the Jets imagine
Laine-Schifele-Marner.
9.) 23 Aug 2019 17:34:13
Mr. Vbb, what youāve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. ā.
10.) 23 Aug 2019 17:49:22
Alex debrincat scored 28 goals his rookie year, 41 last year. So project him to have 55 next year and 70 the year after and in a few will break Gretzky's single season record with about a 120 goals.
11.) 23 Aug 2019 18:00:07
3. Cake makar, 6. Bowen byram, 10. Adam boqvist, 12. Quinn hughes,14. Adam fox, 19. Rasmas sandin, 21. Erik brannstrom 22. Noah Dobson. So experts don't really agree with you but what do they know? They're just experts and not mentally I'll.
12.) 23 Aug 2019 18:59:33
Lol. Not realistic but amusing.
13.) 23 Aug 2019 21:27:47
Please donāt confuse me with vbbās moneyhands.
14.) 24 Aug 2019 01:32:32
Leafs17 i take it all back bro ahah
21 Aug 2019 21:16:11
As per the Marner to Switzerland rumours
There is a loophole that would allow Marner to attend the leafs training camp if he would sign with a European team. He'd have to then buy out his own contract on the European team before he signs in the NHL. But this is really the only thing he can do as the leafs have no cap space until the in season LTIR opens up.
Very smart move and if it takes place it'll probably be a huge controversy.
1.) 22 Aug 2019 06:26:29
Lol keep on dreaming, VB. His agent is simply using this as a way to force the Leafs to pay a bit more.
2.) 22 Aug 2019 11:49:38
Do you read the tweets on Twitter? This was reported by Darren Dreger.
I personally believe Marner is worth 13 million but Iād still be happy if he signed for league Max and the leafs dump Tavares.
3.) 22 Aug 2019 11:51:47
Also itās nonsense how you think this is a tactic heād be getting payed under 2 mil in the Swiss league if it was the KHL it would be a tactic. Marner deserves more then the 13 mil Columbus offered for Panairan.
4.) 23 Aug 2019 00:26:23
Vbb, nope, panarin has some years on marner so has time to catch up but panarin is better when looking at advanced stats. Did read an article that explained how marner is over rated.
02 Aug 2019 11:25:11
Buffalo- Rasmus Ristolainen
Winnipeg- Dimitry Kulikov (cap dump), 2nd round 2020 and 3rd round 2020
Buffalo- can eat Kulikovs contract for a season and get back 2 draft picks for a deffensman who is useless with Dahlin on the top pp
Winnipeg- gets a 3rd pairing dman who can chip in on the 2nd pp. he could become a decent player without the minutes he's getting in buffalo many argue he wouldn't be the the worst defensive player in the game with a sheltered role.
1.) 02 Aug 2019 12:53:06
Look Vb Ik you hate the guy but put him on just about any team and heās a top-4 D man. If traded then Buffalo will probably get close to what habs traded to get Petry. A good level prospect (at the time) with a second and third.
2.) 02 Aug 2019 13:22:18
No thanks. Risto is as bad as Kulikov, but has a worse contract.
3.) 02 Aug 2019 13:57:36
I donāt hate Risto heās something like Chris Kriender definitely shouldnāt be a dman but heād be a good 2nd line forward.
4.) 02 Aug 2019 16:37:54
āRisto is as bad as Kulikovā, other than the fact that Ristolainen matched Kulikovās career point total in just the last 4 seasons. Ristolainen is also 4 years younger. You say a lot of dumb, bias things Joe but this is bad.
5.) 02 Aug 2019 18:35:36
MTL gave a 2rd pick and a conditional 5th Rd pick for Jeff Petry. They're was no prospect and 3 Rd pick.
6.) 02 Aug 2019 18:57:44
Ya sorry I was thinking of the Vanek trade and mixed those up sorry about that.
7.) 02 Aug 2019 23:42:47
Petry=Risto.
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10 Oct 2019 03:11:30
Is it just me or has Cody Ceci been looking very solid this season I think a change of scenery is exactly what he needed he's been very good with Rielly on the top pairing. Big upgrade on Zaitsev so far.
1.) 10 Oct 2019 20:43:44
Ceci has looked really good
2.) 10 Oct 2019 22:19:47
Really? My friend whose a leafs fan was just messaging me complaining about how awful he is this morning lol.
3.) 11 Oct 2019 19:37:24
No he has looked very solid Tampa game was an off night for the whole dcore tho.
4.) 12 Oct 2019 04:23:32
This was before the Tampa game. He said he looked alright the first game then has looked real bad. Disagree if you want Iām just relaying his thoughts from watching the games lol. Tampa game was a trap for Leafs Tampa coming off an embarrassing loss, getting called out by Stammer, Point coming back, and playing who most say is the biggest challenger in the division if they couldnāt show up for that game they should just call the season and go home.
14 Sep 2019 02:32:45
Marner has signed a 6 year deal at 10.8 per year it will be official soon
People can stop with the horrendous proposals now.
1.) 14 Sep 2019 06:12:04
Good!
2.) 14 Sep 2019 09:02:14
he said after making way, way more horrible counter proposals in the comments.
3.) 14 Sep 2019 14:00:10
Yay! I can finally stop seeing the Larkin for Marner posts and the Holl list of trades that are awful!
Can Laine sign next please? I need to stop the Detroit trades for Laine too.
4.) 14 Sep 2019 14:02:01
Now that he is signed, Do leafs have a team that can go all the way? Or do they need to create more cap space to add a player they need? And if yes, Can they do it even with all of the contracts going on LTIR?
28 Aug 2019 13:07:46
Interesting fact I came across Leon Draistle had 7 goals and 4 assists while McDavid didn't touch the puck in the play last year. Pretty crazy.
1.) 28 Aug 2019 14:09:41
Another interesting fact the maple leafs haven't won a cup since 1967.
2.) 28 Aug 2019 14:11:33
Another good fact the leafs are paying Matthews $11,634,000 a year to score 75 points and have no money to sign their best player (in history) lool
3.) 28 Aug 2019 15:48:10
Where did you find those stats? Curious to know how many McDavid had without Draisaitl.
4.) 28 Aug 2019 16:47:57
I saw an interesting stat too VB. Despite you saying he was a product of Marner last year Tavares is 2nd to Ovie in goals over the past 5 years!
5.) 28 Aug 2019 22:39:03
āTavares is garbageā tho.
6.) 29 Aug 2019 07:14:05
They played on a line a lot so that stat isn't even surprising. I would bet it's the other way around, too. And that it's also the same for almost all good players playing on a line (Marchand, Bergeron, Pastrnak - Kucherov and Point - MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog - etc. ) .
Provide some context to a random stat, otherwise it's not worth anything.
Also to what jbs said: I can show you a ton of stats that prove that if you want to get into that stupid who carried who argument (I pointed out before that I don't believe in the carrying thing), it was definitely Tavares making Marner better and not vice versa.
7.) 29 Aug 2019 14:26:39
Then why did Marner have more points then Tavares ever had in his career LMAO.
8.) 29 Aug 2019 16:02:25
And without Tavares he was a 60-70 point player the previous two years.
9.) 29 Aug 2019 16:22:41
who thunder turkey we don't do facts and deductive reasoning here lol.
10.) 30 Aug 2019 02:17:53
I never understand your references Colt55/ redwing1.
11.) 30 Aug 2019 05:09:39
Redwings sarcasm is awesome lol
12.) 30 Aug 2019 07:06:11
What you said is completely irrelevant to the argument, VB.
Just because Marner had a couple points more in the end, doesn't mean it wasn't Tavares making Marner better.
https://imgur.com/z5jfNEZ
13.) 30 Aug 2019 13:17:18
Lol nothing you said was deductive reason Marner the year before lastās was a was a 20 year old sophomore still eligible for the world juniors. His increase in points was due to maturity and development not Tavares. Youāre deductive reasoning would conclude if Pettersson/ Robert Thomas put up more points next season itād be due to their respective linemates not development. Did you ever here of a break out season. But itās okay the Education system in public schools is terrible now days Iāll conclude you lack of intelligence is due to your education or lack of. So Iām sorry about that if you like my email Iām sure I could teach you a lot.
14.) 30 Aug 2019 18:49:17
Itās hilarious when someone tries to give another person a dig regarding intelligence while making so many grammatical errors. Vb strikes again!
15.) 30 Aug 2019 20:48:24
ānow days Iāll conclude you lack of intelligenceā, bahaha!
16.) 31 Aug 2019 03:00:06
Wow omg I made a typo and didnāt put the r in your so hilarious. Is mentioning simple typos really the only counter argument you can make.
17.) 31 Aug 2019 08:02:43
Who are you even responding to, VB? Me? Cause that would be funny, AGAIN not talking about a single point I made.
Comment on the stats in the picture I sent. Do it.
18.) 31 Aug 2019 16:10:48
VB, You missed some comas, itās āyouāreā not your and missed a? At the end.
19.) 31 Aug 2019 18:37:14
And your sentence structure was an abomination.
Iāll give you a moment while you google what āabominationā means.
20.) 31 Aug 2019 22:34:09
Most people on this site donāt care about spelling or grammar vbbās. However, you constantly go out of your way to let us all know how smart you are. Donāt be surprised when youāre put in your place.
21.) 01 Sep 2019 06:23:10
And still no response to the Marner and JT stats, who would of guessed.
22.) 02 Sep 2019 09:55:34
Not really sure what you want me to say? āyou're wrongā? Thatās like saying Boeser carried Pettersson.
08 Aug 2019 14:09:47
Who do you guys think would win? U26 All world vs all world 26+.
Draistle-McDavid-Kucherov
Guadreau-Mackinnon-Rantanen
Laine-Mathews-Marner
Eichel-Barkov-Pasternak
Rielly-Jones
Dahlin-Klingburg
Slavin-Paryanko/Trouba
Vaisalavski
Gibson
Vs
Ovechkin-Crosby-Kane
Stamkos-Tavares-Seguin
Hall-Malkin-Wheeler
Marchand-Bergeron-Kopitar
Hedman-Karlsson
Josi-Doughty
Girodano-Burns
Price
Bobrovski
Note: as you can see defence takes a lot longer to develop may be common knowledge for some but this is proof.
1.) 08 Aug 2019 15:03:37
LOL.
I love how you won't shut up about Marner but put him in the third line behind Rantanen.
2.) 08 Aug 2019 16:41:17
Itās a chemistry thing. If you knew anything about coaching you build lines around centres so McDavid being the best would get the player he has the most chemistry with (Drais) even tho Marner, Guadreau, Pasta, Barkov, Eichel etc are all better. Rantanen Is on the 2nd line because he has experience playing Mackinnon Great chemistry and Switching Marner to LW on the line over Guadreau would be redundant as the both have similar styles and offensive impact even tho Marner may be better heās dropped to the 3rd line to play with Mathews and be able to feed the second to best shot in the game in Laine. The 2nd,3rd And 4th line are about equal imo theyād get the same amount of playing time you could make a strong argument for the 4th line being better then the 2nd.
3.) 08 Aug 2019 16:43:55
Whatās also scary is there is only 5 Canadians on the U26 team.
4.) 08 Aug 2019 18:51:47
Marner points last three seasons. 61/ 69/ 95.
Driasitl points last three seasons. 77/ 70/ 105.
Both play with very good line mates. Sorry, whoās better? Drai $8.5M locked up longest term possible. Marner wanting a lot more for less term, to go through this all again soon? Marner and Mathews are the two most overrated, over hyped players Iāve maybe ever seen. Add Subban to those two. And when Marner isnāt 1st or 2nd (to Mcdavid) in league scoring this summer will you admit that youāre a clueless biased homer?
5.) 08 Aug 2019 18:58:48
Iāll never say Iām biased what other player on the leafs do I overvalue? Marner is a year younger then Drais and played with garbage linemates Tavares and Hyman are both garbage compared to him. Drais is a product of McDavid.
6.) 08 Aug 2019 18:59:35
Also the two years prior was an development curve for him.
7.) 08 Aug 2019 19:08:44
Lmao. Tavares is garbage? Tavares is better than Marner to a ton of people. Wow. You really are delusional. And Drai is a beast, Mcdavid helps but you canāt deny how unreal a talent he has. Marner is very very very good, Iāve watched him a lot, but man, right now, Drai is better and itās not even a question. Marner can surpass him this season, sure. But right now, No. Hats just your biased opinion and projections. The stats and facts and points point to Drai. Right now.
Oh and I would take the top young group. I like a lot of those players. Mcdavid, Drai, McKinnon, Pasta, Barkov, Rantanen.
8.) 08 Aug 2019 19:35:48
Tavares is not garbage. And Drais also brings in a lot more of a physical element compared to Marner.
9.) 08 Aug 2019 21:16:20
This is a direct quote from VB.
''24 Apr 2019 18:33:18
Iām not sure anyone implied that leafs players have much value.
Mathews and Tavares top 10 Cs- Facts undebatable''
If you would all like to verify, go to mememarcus' account and look at the talk post he made about the Leafs and the Panthers.
10.) 08 Aug 2019 22:10:30
Well are they not top 10Cs? And yes Tavares is garbage compared to Marner everyone in the leafs organization is compared to him. Sure Drais is more Physical and is the better power forward no doubt yes stats show that he had 10 more points they also show he gets much, much more offensive opportunity and has better linemates then Marner. Well visit this discussion after next season.
11.) 09 Aug 2019 05:22:47
vbbās youāve lost it eh? Nobody is saying Marner is not good, but everyone else in the organization is garbage compared to him? Thatās pretty funny.
12.) 09 Aug 2019 06:06:27
Matthews finished 23 among centres in total points and he is on a stacked team.
Centres like Brayden Point (7th) Elias Lindholm (17th) and Sean Couturier (19th) finished ahead of him.
So. how is Matthews a top 10 centre?
13.) 09 Aug 2019 14:03:03
He was injured lol he was like 3rd in PPG.
27 Jul 2019 14:09:56
Just curious who do you guys think has more value within the league?
Marner or Mathews
Nylander or Tavares
For me I'd take Marner like I've said he'll be battling McDavid for scoring titles for years to come. Although he will never be the goal scorer Mathews is he's debatably the best playmaker in the game.
I'd take Nylander over Tavares he has high upside and is much younger and cheaper.
1.) 27 Jul 2019 23:05:54
lol marner battling Mcdavid.
If McDavid was on the leafs heād put up 140 points.
LOL. NYLANDER OVER TAVARES WHAAAAA?
2.) 28 Jul 2019 03:18:58
11 million for Tavares vs 7 mil for a 23 year old Nylander.
3.) 28 Jul 2019 03:19:46
Also the number McDavid would put up on the leafs are irrelevant in this discussion.
4.) 29 Jul 2019 06:22:03
Marner is the better player compared to AM, but I think "the league" would value AM slightly higher.
Tavares hands down.
And btw, no, Marner won't battle McDavid lol. Weird way to spell "Kucherov"
5.) 29 Jul 2019 19:54:52
He will tho thatās the thing.
6.) 31 Jul 2019 07:34:29
Your head must be really brown, VB, eh?
I mean, as much as you shove it up Marner's you know what.
21 Oct 2019 00:56:13
Of course theyād rather trade a 3rd then a a 2nd LMAFO. Orlov is criminally underrated Carlson provides the offence on the blue line Orlov provides the defence.
20 Oct 2019 11:36:27
Wtf you know nothing about hockey if you think Poink is better then Morrisey.
20 Oct 2019 11:34:50
Aho is on Pace for 30 does that mean heās not elite?
20 Oct 2019 11:32:51
Crosby, Malkin and Kessel>> Hall, McDavid and Drais
Also Yzerman, Federov, Hull, Shannahan, Dasyuk, Zetterberg and Robitalis? Detroit 2002 I think. Sakic, Sundin and Forsburg? Lemuix and Jagar+ Whoever.
19 Oct 2019 12:10:24
Either this site has heavy bias against the leafs or there is Differentiations of hockey knowledge between the two sites. While HF boards may have a higher concentration of leafs fans the Ottawa fans still like it. I think people should look at this form posted on HF Boards I feel as if many people here have been Brainwashed into Believing Nylander isnāt a great hockey player. I for 1 believe Ottawa takes this and runs but as said Melynk does not take the 10 million it can be argued Nylander is currently the better player then Tkachuk ( we all know this siteās opinion as an whole ) Kerfoot a young 3C, A solid prospect and a pick.