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19 Jul 2019 15:47:04
I actually think this would be a very solid hockey trade that benefits both teams a lot. If you don't like it please elaborate I think this would be a good idea for both teams.

Rangers: Mika Zibanajad- 26 years old 2018-2019 stats 82GP 30G 44A 74P ( on a weak Rangers roster ) 5.3 mil for 3 years

Buffalo: Sam Rienhart- 23 years old 2018-2019 stats 82GP 22G 43A 65P ( improved every season but had benefit on playing on stronger roster ) signed 1 more year at 3.65 mil

Buffalo gets the stronger current better player to Centre the second line and provide secondary scoring and can play wing is Middelstad/Cozens breaks out

New York is a young retooling team that is going to take abit of time to compete so they get the younger player that's improved every season.

17 Jul 2019 15:01:51
Toronto Maple Leafs: Mitch Marner, Timothy Lilijgren, 2nd 2020 And 2nd 2021

New York Islanders: Oliver Wahlstrom, Noah Dobson, Adam Peeltch And 1st 2020

Leafs- get 2 solid RHD that can jump in the lineup and Oliver Wahlstrom is a high potential prospect will never be a replacement for Marner but Is a gifted scorer. The 1st Brings in a solid prospect

Islanders- Mitch Marner instantly transforms there roster Lee-Barzel-Marner would become one of the most dangerous lines in the game could see Marner reaching 120 points there. Lilijgren adds RHD depth to their system and 2 2nds helps rebuild their prospect pool after trading 2 solid pieces.

Leafs lines-

Johnsson-Mathews-Kappanen
Hyman-Tavares-Nylander
Moore-Kerfoot-Bracco
Gauthier-Spezza-Mikelev

Rielly-Peltch
Muzzin-Barrie
Ceci/Dermotte-Dobson

Andersson

1.) 17 Jul 2019 17:02:07
HUGE overpayment from toronto.

2.) 17 Jul 2019 18:25:28
LOL but you think Marner for Laine is fair?

3.) 17 Jul 2019 18:44:22
Islanders can’t afford to do this.

4.) 17 Jul 2019 19:40:56
Yes they can afford this gives them over 10 million in cap space with the potential to trade leddy for even more.

5.) 18 Jul 2019 02:38:01
@vb

Yes, they would have to lose more salary somehow, you are correct. NYI @ 8.6 + 1.6 (Peltch) = 10.2. Very close to what Marner will get. They can be 10% over in offseason, so they can sign him. After that, Leddy is goner I guess.

6.) 18 Jul 2019 12:35:01
They’re looking to move leddy anyway.

16 Jul 2019 00:19:10
I'm going to attempt to make a 100% fair Mitch Marner Trade obviously there is a lot of leaf hate on this site so hopefully the more reasonable fans will agree with this.

Toronto: Mitch Marner, Timothy Lilijgren And 2nd round pick 2020

Islanders: Noah Dobson, Oliver Wahlstrom And 1st 2020

1.) 16 Jul 2019 00:43:49
Not bad.

2.) 16 Jul 2019 00:51:26
Honestly not bad, I like it. It would be an all in move for NYI.

3.) 16 Jul 2019 00:59:20
No from Toronto imo, I feel like Toronto would want at least 1 proven solid impact player for Marner. Value wise, Marner might also get a little more.

4.) 16 Jul 2019 01:19:38
I was thinking of Toronto adding something of lesser value and the Islanders adding Peltch but I’m not sure.

5.) 16 Jul 2019 02:01:14
Can't believe I am saying this but I agree with Mantha. If the Leafs trade Marner there have to be players involved who help now.

6.) 16 Jul 2019 04:14:43
A huge part of this deal is the leafs don't take back any cap for this season unless Dobson makes the team and even then it's less then a million. Dobson looks to be a very near future top pair wahlstrom is a solid prospect as well. it solves the leafs cap issue and they get back two future players and a 1st. It's close.

7.) 16 Jul 2019 11:23:53
Maybe Habby, but imo, if u trade a guy like Marner and only get maybes for him, you just lost the trade.

8.) 16 Jul 2019 14:15:12
Dobson is not a Maybe imo he’s a sure thing.

9.) 17 Jul 2019 04:32:16
IIsnders can’t afford to do this without dumping salary.

12 Jul 2019 13:45:18
Dallas has been looking for forward depth for awhile now and Perry/Pavelski is a good start but it's not complete.

Dallas: Julius Honka and 1st 2020

Vegas: Nikita Gusev

* Dallas would then need to trade 1 of Cogliano, Johns, Hanzel or Comeau

Dallas gets a 2nd line forward to add potential elite offensive depth.

Vegas gets a 1st for a player they can't afford and Honka would come in cheap.

Lines-

Benn-Seguin-Radulov
Gusev-Pavelski-Perry
Cogliano-Hanzel-Jamnmark m
Hintz-Faska-Dickensson

1.) 12 Jul 2019 16:18:44
i don't get why this Gusev guy is getting all this attention and wants 4 million a year. Maybe he did well in russia but he's unproven in the nhl. i'd give him a 1 year 1-2 million "prove it" contract first then payday after.

2.) 12 Jul 2019 18:15:45
It’s more than just that he did well in Russia. He’s dominated the KHL and international play for the past 3 years. Tampa wanted him to start in AHL which is why he refused to come over and ended up getting traded, he’s got a lot of skill which is why teams are so intrigued by him.

3.) 12 Jul 2019 19:53:19
Your 4th line is better than the 3rd and possibly the 2nd.

4.) 12 Jul 2019 20:26:21
Soooo. good value or no?

5.) 12 Jul 2019 22:57:57
@vb
No.

6.) 13 Jul 2019 02:59:55
I’d say a little steep considering Vegas doesn’t have much of a choice right now. Teams might not want to pay the price to get someone there unsure of.

09 Jul 2019 23:59:01
After the most recent trade of Nylander for Jokiharju the Sabres now have Ristolainen, Colin Miller, Jokiharju, Montour And Bogosion with Dahlin,Scandella and McCabe locked in on the left side.

Projected lines

Dahlin-Miller

Scandella-Montour

McCabe-Bogosion/Jokiharju

Trade-

Buffalo- Rasmus Ristolainen

Detroit- Andreas Athanasiou

Buffalo gets a highly skilled forward to help with their depth. Could either take the LW or Center spot.

Detroit- gets a physical PP specialist dman who has the ability to log big minutes. He is the same age as Athanaseau and brings a lot to their blue line.

1.) 10 Jul 2019 01:39:28
Sounds like a ristolainen trade coming up for sure now.

2.) 10 Jul 2019 03:04:59
I think Bogosian or McCabe go before Ristolainen

3.) 10 Jul 2019 03:05:12
Not bad value aswell

4.) 10 Jul 2019 03:27:14
Detroit says no. AA is a 30 goal scorer and is more valuable to Detroit than Risto would be.

5.) 10 Jul 2019 05:57:48
@HockeyFanatic
Risto > AA.
Defenceman almost always worth more than forwards. Especially a 24year old 6’4” 220lbs 40 point right shot defenceman that is also locked up for 3 years at a pretty good deal.
AA has value, but not Risto’s value.
Also, if this trade somehow does go through Risto will be the best defenceman on the Wings.

6.) 10 Jul 2019 06:06:57
@HockeyFanatic @Anybody that refers to Risto as “a huge defensive liability”
Risto isn’t great defensively, but please provide me the stats to prove that he’s “a huge defensive liability”. I’d love to hear that from you.
Just from a 5 second google I can see that he has 44 giveaways while also having 23 takeaways. Not bad for a guy who is according to you is a huge defensive liability.
Also, those are 44 giveaways in 78 games played. (.56 giveaways per game) .
He also has 121 blocked shots and 235 hits in 78 games. (1.5 blocked shots per fame and 3.3 hits a game. )
I’m not arguing that Risto is some stud of a defensive defenceman (because he definitely isn’t) but you don’t know what you’re talking about buddy.
Here’s a reference for you. Drew Doughty had 105 giveaways with only 23 take always. He also doesn’t have nearly as many hits as Risto and Risto has more blocked shots.

7.) 10 Jul 2019 11:13:05
Well, there you have it gents. Risto is better than Doughty.

Kind of makes you wonder why all the Buffalo fans are itching to trade him because he’s a defensive liability.

8.) 10 Jul 2019 12:27:14
TyBa4 come on it only takes a quick search to look at his advanced statistics and they’re along the lines of Cody Ceci and actually worse in some categories he obviously has value but he is not a top pairing guy on a playoff team. Number 3 at best. Also saying Risto being the best dman on the wings isn't an accomplishment Green is debatably just as good although regressing their Dcore is very young and largely unproven.

@Seanmoneyhands. Well Risto is apart of the losing culture in buffalo and his role as a top pp player takes away opportunities for Dahlin. Risto should go somewhere where he can play on the top PP and that is certainly not Buffalo with Dahlin. Once they traded for Montour his fate was sealed IMO. His time in Buffalo is nearing an end.

9.) 10 Jul 2019 13:08:49
Tyba4. As far as I’m concerned blocked shots and hits can show toughness but also a lack of defensive skill. The best way to not get scored on is to retrieve to puck and get it out of your zone, blocking a bunch of shots means you are giving up a bunch of shots, you’re just willing to get in the way every now and then. It’s the same argument against Russell. Same with hits, you’re only hitting if the other team has the puck. Effective Defense is about shot prevention, high danger chance prevention, and puck retrieval. You can block and hit and be a good Defencemen but if that’s what you’re pointing to to show someone isn’t bad, they’re probably bad.

10.) 10 Jul 2019 14:30:03
You really can't compare defensive stats and get a good reading on who's better then who. Every category you have high stats in such as hits and blocked shots can be considered good or bad. a low giveaway amount could just mean a player doesn't carry the puck much. It's tough to get a read on dman using any stats as most dman play against different competition as well. Risto numbers are based on him being on a bad team with him usually playing against other teams top lines. I'd like to see where he stacks up playing 2nd pair minutes or with a good defensive dman on his line.

11.) 10 Jul 2019 16:35:12
@unsportsmanlike
Oh my god, it’s like you completely decided to ignore when I said that Risto isn’t great or good defensively and just decided to spin your own thing.
the point I was trying to make is that Risto isn’t a huge defensive liability AS STATED IN THE FIRST 2 SENTENCES.
Never have I said he was better than Doughty defensively, all I asked for is some statistics to back up the “huge defensive liability” claim and provided counter stats of my own.
@jb32
As a 6’4 220 defenceman Risto does his job using his size to block shots and hit. “Blocking a bunch of shots means giving up a bunch of shots” well, yeah. Buffalo gives up a bunch of shots because it’s Buffalo. Russell and Risto aren’t in the same category because Risto can be classified as an offensive defenceman and Russell, well, is Russell. Since he’s an offensive defenceman that moves the puck up the ice, the number of turn overs is important as it demonstrates how well he can get a rush started and how good his passing accuracy is. When he has the puck, he doesn’t give it up a lot.
@Habby2
AGAIN, I’m not saying Risto is better than Doughty. What that reference is supposed to show you is how good Risto’s stats really are compared to a top 10 defenceman in the league. We all know that Doughty > Risto, it was just a reference to put perspective on Risto’s stats. As stated above.
“A low giveaway amount can mean the player doesn’t carry the puck as much”. See, that would apply to a defensive defenceman and not a 40-45 point offensive defenceman on a crappy team. If he scores 40+ points, he carries the puck. Risto is a PP QB for the Sabres.
Last statement I completely agree with, Risto is stuck on a bad team and constantly going against the best players for 22+ minutes a game. He’s on the PP and the PK at times.

12.) 10 Jul 2019 16:38:18
@VB
Can’t believe I have to clarify this for you, when I said Risto would be the best defenceman on the wings it was clearly a response to HockeyFanatic saying AA would be more valuable to the Wings than Risto will be. Which is just ridiculous.
I’d rather have a fringe top 2 defenceman than a 50
point forward.

13.) 10 Jul 2019 18:47:20
I was speaking in general terms tyba I wasn't really referring to what you said.

14.) 10 Jul 2019 19:13:48
His potential is higher then 50 points and let's not forget he scored 30 goals. Buffalo needs scoring depth more then they need Risto.

15.) 10 Jul 2019 19:32:18
@habby
Ah, my bad then.

16.) 10 Jul 2019 19:52:49
It’s the same with Risto as Russell when talking about their defensive acumen and pointing to blocked shots as evidence they aren’t really that bad. I wasn’t comparing them as overall players. Blocked shots inherently will be higher for guys that give up more, blocked shot % would be something more useful. The metrics aren’t where I want them to be but I can tell you that the only defencman with a worse shots for/ against ratio 5 on 5 on Buffalo was Scandella and Risto was on the ice over 100 more 5 on 5 shots against than any other D man on the team. I’m not sure it’s Because he’s on Buffalo, I’m not convinced that defensively he isn’t part of the problem.

17.) 10 Jul 2019 20:57:59
Ristolainen>Barrie.

18.) 10 Jul 2019 21:01:55
Buffalo's team corsi is 5% less with him on the ice. That should be a warning sign. Blocked shot is just a sign of the puck being in your own zone too much. Ristolainen possession stats are bad. he's been in a bad spot trying to be a #1 but 2nd line de he might be good.

19.) 10 Jul 2019 21:43:12
Anyone else not like advanced stats? This argument proves it all. He has bad advanced stats then when he gets traded and excels people will say he just got better. Nope he’s a good D being used above his skill. I’d take him on the Oilers 100% if he goes as cheap as this site thinks.

20.) 10 Jul 2019 21:59:23
Well Barrie out produces him on a yearly bases so I’m pretty sure that’s False.

21.) 10 Jul 2019 23:04:24
@ebs I'd take him on the habs too in a heartbeat all these advanced stats can tell you some important things about players a lot of times but for a defenceman they don't really show close to everything. Imo he's a good 2nd pair dman who was forced to be a number 1 dman on a crappy team. players who are in that situation rarely look good.

22.) 10 Jul 2019 23:42:31
We get it Mantha, all leaf players suck in your opinion.

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02 Jul 2019 15:47:23
Wow just wow okay this is an amazing deal for the leafs I can't say how pleased I am with Kyle Dubas on this one

Toronto: Nazim Kadri, Calle Rosen And 3rd round 2020

Colorado: Tyson Barrie ( 50% retained ), Alex Kerfoot and 6th round 2020

Toronto- Gets a perfect rental dman most likely in Barrie, a 3C replacement who should be cheap and only scored 2 points less then Kadri.

Colorado- Gets the 2C they're desperate for should be a 30 goal guy again easily

Leafs lines 2019-2020

Johnsson-Mathews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Kerfoot-Spezza-Kappanen
I'm really not sure what the 4th line is but it's going to decent

Rielly-Ceci
Muzzin-Barrie
Dermotte-Mancrin/Gravel/Lilijgren/Sandin

Andersson

Some how the leafs managed to make them selves even better.

1.) 02 Jul 2019 17:11:58
Defence is better forwards are a little worse.

2.) 02 Jul 2019 19:24:53
I don’t think the forwards are worse.

I don’t think Kerfoot is as good as Kadri but Marleau was getting way too much ice time and all of the young guys in theory should still be getting stronger and better at this point in their careers.

3.) 02 Jul 2019 19:46:21
Habby as long as Babcock isn’t an idiot and puts Nylander with Mathews the forwards will be a lot better. I’ll guarantee Nylander Is going to be PPG+ if he plays with Mathews for the WHOLE season. Marner and Mathews are going to improve most likely.

4.) 02 Jul 2019 21:02:11
They are worse because you only have 3 lines that will have to wear them down as the season goes on lol marleau is better then spezza but I’d have to have kappenen instead of Hyman in the top six. Hyman kerfoot and spezza might not be a bad line but your right if the young guys improve and take another step they will be better.

5.) 02 Jul 2019 21:26:28
I know everyone is going to disagree with me, but I still think Leafs need someone with an edge, some nastiness and toughness. Kassian. the one guy who had an edge is gone. would be nice when other teams rough up Mathews, Marner and Nylander, Tavares someone keeps the other guys honest.

6.) 02 Jul 2019 21:56:08
I agree Sosa.

7.) 03 Jul 2019 02:30:40
I’ve been saying this too Sosa. Need some truculence, lol.

8.) 03 Jul 2019 04:25:20
Do you really need toughness now though?

9.) 03 Jul 2019 04:44:26
I truly believe you do in the playoffs habby. The refs often put the whistles away and some teams can’t handle it. In the regular season I don’t think it’s as important but it’s nice having a guy to make sure nobody takes a run at your star players.

10.) 03 Jul 2019 05:16:59
You can add some grit at the deadline if need be.

11.) 03 Jul 2019 06:16:20
If you had cap space I'm sure Vegas would be tickled pink to get rid of reeves.

02 Jul 2019 13:24:57
I made a post about the Barrie trade but it didn't go through but here are the lines for 2019-2020.

Johnsson-Mathews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Kerfoot-Spezza-Kappanen
Moore-Gauthier- a few players will battle for this spot.

Rielly-Caci
Muzzin-Barrie
Dermotte-Lilijgren/Saindin/Mancarinin/Harpur/Gravel

This is a very solid lineup that could potentially win the cup but I think the leafs may need to dump sparks and Horton to meet the offseason cap compliance deadline while signing Marner, Ceci and Kerfoot with only 11 million in cap space.

1.) 02 Jul 2019 15:35:14
And the cup predictions are already started lol.

2.) 02 Jul 2019 16:22:28
Saying “could potentially win the cup” is not a cup prediction I think Tampa bay and Maybe even Philadelphia if Carter Hart is as good as I think he is will be better but IMO the leafs are definitely better then the bruins on paper at the moment. I think West is very weak but obviously Winnipeg, San Jose, Saint Louis And Nashville are contenders.

3.) 03 Jul 2019 01:32:36
Leafs been better on paper then the Bruins for years.

4.) 03 Jul 2019 05:17:34
What about this comment leafs17? I guess you didn’t see this one.

5.) 03 Jul 2019 14:49:32
I call vbb’s out more than anyone habby. Saying that line up could potentially win the cup is just a fact. Nobody is planning a parade like you guys suggest. If you’re suggesting this is a positive comment from you towards the leafs, read it again. The leafs are better on paper but can’t beat the Bruins habby. Sounds like a subtle way of saying that Toronto is not better than Boston. I’ll give you the one comment that you said their team improved this year but you usually throw a jab with every response.

6.) 03 Jul 2019 17:41:58
Well if we are going to put our own twist on every comment we can change it to mean anything.

7.) 03 Jul 2019 17:44:37
There is about 20 teams in the league who on paper could look like a cup contender I mean even I could say like vbb if montreals young guys take the next step and price plays like his hart trophy winning season and poehling continues his 3 goal a game pace that Montreal will be a contender.

8.) 03 Jul 2019 17:47:10
We said the blues had a shot last year but nobody was saying it around Christmas in fact they were probably one more loss away from tearing it down and tanking the season that's how fast things can change.

9.) 03 Jul 2019 17:52:21
you guys been saying the same thing for years cup contender cup contender cup favourite lol give it a rest. You got talent on the team it's going to win a lot of games everyone already know this . You think your roster is better Tampa for example? They didn't win the cup last year and if we are just going by what's on paper your going to have to beat them to get there. Maybe even meet them in the 1st round.

10.) 03 Jul 2019 17:59:05
So let's say you lose 1st round again this year muzzin or Barrie is gone and replaced by sandin for example are you a cup contender then cause I'm sure we will here it again or will it be because of the coach you know that guy who is the best coach in the world lol. We got guys on here who think marner is the best player in the world and that garret sparks can actually return an all star in a trade. like chill out this team right from the players to the front office have done nothing yet at least wait until they do before declaring them greatest of all times. That's all i'm trying to say.

11.) 03 Jul 2019 18:04:34
Sometimes you have to say an extra negative thing to bring guys back to reality. I mean 3 weeks ago you guys would have called Ceci the worst dman in the league and now somehow he's on the first defence pair on a cup contender lol. You see what I'm getting at here? I say negative things about the leafs sometimes I mean it sometimes I say it to dispute an overblown statement by a leaf fan.

12.) 03 Jul 2019 18:06:23
Can you imagine how misarable this site would be for non leaf fans if we agreed with everything that was posted about the leafs?

13.) 04 Jul 2019 01:31:59
He who replies the most must be right.

14.) 04 Jul 2019 04:57:46
Hey I thought you weren’t talking to me lol.

30 Jun 2019 23:13:40
Free agency predictions

Paniran And Bob to Florida on 7 year 9.5 million contracts with full NMC's

Pavelski to Tampa Bay

Connolly to Edmonton on on a 5 year 5 mil contract

Duchene to Nashville on a 7 year 9.5 million dollar contract

Jake Gardiner to Montreal on a 7 year 7 million dollar contract

Nyquist signs around the 6 million range

Marcus Johansson will sign for over 5 million

Dizingle to Colorado

Hopefully Sekera to Leafs.

1.) 30 Jun 2019 23:41:45
I think it’s pretty much set Pavelski is going to Dallas. 5 mill seems high for Connolly especially on 5 years. Other than that everything else seems reasonable.

2.) 30 Jun 2019 23:51:48
Connolly will not get that much at all, Duchene won't get that term, Gardiner won't get that much either. Since when is a Bottom 6 player like connolly worth 5 @ 5

What is the NHL coming to

3.) 01 Jul 2019 00:35:18
It’s inflation you guys can feel free to rip me if they don’t happen.

4.) 01 Jul 2019 01:38:00
It’s coming to a lockout.

5.) 01 Jul 2019 02:30:05
Apparently bob Mackenzie said that Bobrovsky would likely go to Florida. And islanders are surprisingly the favorited for panarin. I thought that was interesting.

6.) 01 Jul 2019 02:45:00
Okay retweaking this

Connolly to Florida 3.5 million for 4 years ( Florida taxes )

Duchene to Nashville at 8 mil for 7 years

Pavelski to Dallas for 4 years a 7 million per

Paniran to Islanders.

7.) 01 Jul 2019 03:39:34
I'd take Gardiner on a 5 for 6. he will obviously get more, but that would be the # I'd like to see.

8.) 01 Jul 2019 11:34:08
You said matching $9 million contracts the other day. $9.5 is not much different but you must have heard a new rumour to add to your predictions.

9.) 01 Jul 2019 11:58:37
Connolly getting 3.5 compared to the 5 you said earlier has nothing to do with taxes and more to do with he’s a 3.5 mill player. Inflation after almost no cap increase doesn’t make him worth 5.

10.) 01 Jul 2019 14:54:34
Yes I’ve heard new rumours.

11.) 02 Jul 2019 14:03:02
Not even close in your original post. Maybe you’re not a genius after all and you’re just like the rest of us? We hear or read about rumours and guess from there.

28 Jun 2019 05:07:34
Early playoff predictions

Atlantic
Tampa
Toronto
Florida

Metro
Washington
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh

Wildcard:
Boston
New Jersey
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Buffalo
Carolina
Montreal
Rangers
Islanders
Columbus
Detroit
Ottawa

Pacific
San Jose
Calgary
Vancouver

Central
Winnipeg
Saint Louis
Colorado

Wildcard:
Nashville
Dallas
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Chicago
Edmonton
Vegas
Minnesota
LA
Anaheim
Arizona

Florida Panthers win the cup vs San Jose in 7 games.

1.) 28 Jun 2019 06:05:28
So I guess the leafs are out in the first round again at least that's believable lol.

2.) 28 Jun 2019 07:15:53
Sure, VB.
VAN is not making the playoffs. Think Vegas, EDM and esp CHI will be ahead of them and make it.
Boston division top 3 over FLA for sure. Metro is a crap shoot behind WSH, imo. CAR, MON, NYR could all sneak in, too.

3.) 28 Jun 2019 07:24:00
Cant see san jose making the finals without Pavelski...

4.) 28 Jun 2019 11:16:51
You have Ottawa finishing last but that still seems too high.

5.) 28 Jun 2019 12:59:36
Honestly I can could actually see Florida placing ahead of the leafs with Paniran and Bob. They’ll add two great players to an already great core.

6.) 28 Jun 2019 13:45:49
If you can’t see San Jose making the playoffs without Pavelski you haven’t been watching hockey for the past year.
Quick newsflash for you:
Hertl is now a 70+ point centre
Couture is now a 70+ point centre
Timo Mier expected to score 70+ points after like a 68 point season.
Erik Karlsson should put up Karlsson like numbers if he’s healthy.
Burnsy is declining but still Burnsy.

7.) 28 Jun 2019 14:30:30
Pavelski scored a lot of goals but the offence absolutely does not run through him. Hertl is the sharks best forward now and in a couple of years could be in consideration for the Selke.

8.) 28 Jun 2019 17:12:21
TyBa4 in his defence he said finals not Playoffs.

9.) 29 Jun 2019 01:47:59
I’d say:

Metro: WSH/ PHI/ CAR
Atlantic: TB/ TOR/ BOS
WC: FLA/ NJD
Rest: MTL/ BUF/ PIT/ NYR/ CBJ/ NYI/ DET/ OTT

—

Central: STL/ COL/ WPG
Pacific: CGY/ SJS/ ARZ
WC: NSH/ VGK
Rest: VAN/ DAL/ CHI/ ANA/ EDM/ MIN/ LA.

10.) 29 Jun 2019 07:40:12
@VB: FLA defense is still not good, tho.

11.) 29 Jun 2019 14:14:34
They have a top 10 PP QB on the backend in Yandel, Eklblad and Matheson. It’s not a top defence but it’s solid.

12.) 30 Jun 2019 07:58:08
Your "knowledge" perfectly summed up by bringing up "top 10 PP QB" in a conversation about FLA's DEFENSE being iffy.

13.) 30 Jun 2019 20:45:11
Lol what he was like 4th in PP point as a dman last year.

27 Jun 2019 19:55:45
So I'm going to make this thread for the purpose of debating the top 20 players in the NHL. This is my personal list this will exclude goaltenders.

1. Crosby
2.McDavid
3. Ovechkin
4. Kane
5.Kucherov
6. Doughty
8. Bergeron
9. Burns
10. Mackinnon
11. Hedman
12. Mathews
13. Barkov
14. Marner
15. Tavares
16. Schifele
17. Malkin
18. Hall
19. Guadreau
20. Point/Draistle/Marchand
Honourable mentions- Seguin, Stamkos, Jones , Giroux, Kopitar, Karlsson, Eichel

2nd tier mentions- Rantanen, Towes, Wheeler, Josi, Klingburg, Slavin, Petrangelo, Barzel, Kuznetzkov, Backstrom, O'Rielly, Letang, Suter, Larkin, Benn, Aho.

Reason Karlsson And Malkin are so low is due to injuries if they bounce back next Season they can definitely climb up pretty high.

1.) 27 Jun 2019 20:38:43
I think you might get crapped on because of Kucherov at five. People will argue he’s #1 or top 3. Personally, I think that’s a fair position. Played with Stamkos and Point most of the year so his numbers got inflated. Kane, Ovechkin, McDavid and Crosby used/ still do carry their teams on their backs for most of the season.

2.) 27 Jun 2019 22:35:24
I would rank MacKinnon higher, I'll put him above Ovechkin, there are quite a few I'd actually have above Ovi, I also think Giordano could be on the list. I also think Marner should be the highest Leaf then Tavares, then Mathews. Mathews may eventually be the best of the 3, however he hasn't been consistently enough .

It is a pretty good List VB. I dobt totally agree with the order, but most of the players in there belong to be in there.

3.) 27 Jun 2019 23:20:58
My apologies totally forgot about Gio I think he’s a honourable mention around 25. And I think you might be right Sosa I personally like Marner more but his position is more valuable at C and has a rare goal scoring ability few posses. Also Ovi is the best scorer of all time IMO I never had the privilege of seeing the players before the 2000s play being born in 2001 but I’d say he is. I could possibly see Mackinnon as high as 6 all players are so close after Crosby and McDavid a lot players arguments can be made for number 3 but that’s my opinion.

4.) 27 Jun 2019 23:38:33
Well VB. For your generation he is (Ovi) the best. and a case for all time is deffinetley there. Its a different game now forsure, but to watch the way Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux dominated and scored at will was magical. I don't think we will ever see players dominate hockey the way they did.
Like I said. good list.

5.) 27 Jun 2019 23:54:03
Where is tarasenko.

6.) 28 Jun 2019 00:10:53
Hes probably that 2nd tier Colt . I'm suprised Stamkos isn't in first tier VB , would ya take Sheiffle over him? Damn. there sure are lot of good players in the league.

7.) 28 Jun 2019 00:36:03
Yah Taresanko is 2nd tier. Top 50 for sure. And yes Schifele isn’t surrounded by quite as Much talent as Stamkos is I feel like Schifele is undebatable the best player in Winnipeg he also really steps it up in the playoffs and I like that.

8.) 28 Jun 2019 00:37:43
I stopped when I saw Crosby at number 1 no need to go any further lol.

9.) 28 Jun 2019 05:10:39
Crosby deserves to be at one and there is no debut McDavid isn’t their yet. Crosby does it all and he’s the definition of clutch. His hockey IQ is unparalleled he could probably play as a defensemen and be one of the best.

10.) 28 Jun 2019 07:19:58
I absolutely LOVE TyBas stupid reasoning for Kucherov.
#1 the only occasion he played with Stamkos and Point was on the PP
#2 HIS stats are the ones getting inflated? All the time I'm hearing Point's numbers are inflated by Kucherov? Realize something? Maybe they're just both very, very good and form a great duo? This inflating argument is stupid unless it's a super obvious case like Crosby pushing Kunitz to formerly unseen heights.
Also if you make that argument, at least decide who's "inflating" who, because you cannot have both.

And why is this always just for TB players? McDavid inflated by Draisaitl? Ovechkin inflated by Backstrom? Crosby inflated by Malkin? And so on. hockey is a team sport, some lines fit better some worse.

11.) 28 Jun 2019 07:21:30
And regarding the list: Doughty is def too high. Karlsson should be a lot higher. IMO, Tavares is better than AM. I'd put Kuch top 3 for sure, MacKinnon also a bit higher, to name a few.

12.) 28 Jun 2019 13:09:17
Ranked Karlsson so low because of his injury if he comes back next season he could definitely climb higher. Mathews is definitely a tier above Tavares. Marner carried Tavares to some extent great players but really benefits from playing with Marner he does it all. Mathews does it by himself with two not great but decent line mates. I ranked Doughty so high because he is such a safe player and still looked elite on a bottom 5 team.

Also all the Tampa players stats are being inflated because of playing with each other a Kucherov by himself and no stars let’s say he was on a line with Dylan Strome and Brandon Saad he’d probably put up 95-105 points where as Patrick Kane dominates every shift with 2 sub par line mates. That’s my argument. Also Mackinnon could fall in all the way to 6th imo.

13.) 28 Jun 2019 14:25:56
Stamkos has talent on the team, just not on his line. It’s a legit issue for them right now.

14.) 28 Jun 2019 15:27:34
Vb, using your logic then Marner and Tavares also have inflated numbers from playing with each other.

15.) 28 Jun 2019 16:44:28
They do there’s no denying that Tavares numbers are inflated.

16.) 29 Jun 2019 01:54:50
marner goes for 60 points first 2 seasons, playing with decent established 50 point players in jvr and bozak, then goes off for 90 when he gets JT, a bonafide, career point a game guy whos always played with NOBODIES, and marner inflated JTs numbers?

jesus. kids today.

im a leaf fan but marner is not gods gift. marner isn't worth more than matthews or JT, shouldn't get a penny over kuchs money and even that's a stretch.

17.) 29 Jun 2019 03:03:41
I agree ovie, marner is very skilled and may only get better but he went from a 60 Point season to 90 and JT didn’t have a career year, I think it’s safe to say taveres helped marner more than the other way around.

18.) 29 Jun 2019 04:14:26
Lol Tavares set career highs because of Marner. Marner just broke out this season.

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Ebsouletly he was an absolute beat in the playoffs I’ll give him that but Marner is a better player. Marner is better defensively although Drais is actually good in his own end and Marner is more dynamic. Difference is while Marner definitely has more talent Drais is bigger and plays Center.

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