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01 Aug 2024 22:26:30
Toronto:
Mitchell Marner (50% retained)
San Jose:
Givani Smith (AHL)
Scott Sabourin (AHL)
Andrew Poturalski (AHL)
2025 1st round pick (top 10 protected)
Klim Kostin
Nico Sturm
If Laine and Jenner with 50% retention is worth Kampf+Jarnkrok+ 3 AHLers and a 1st rounder, Marner should be worth the same sized package right Pinball?
Thoughts?
1.) 02 Aug 2024 20:43:24
Why engage. Pinballs offer was bad. we all know it. If No one responds he is less likely to post. And yes this is terrible for Toronto.
2.) 02 Aug 2024 20:45:57
Only difference being the 2 leafs nhl players pinball suggests are better than the players you put in for SJ, and the 3 all players are better as well.
Yours is worse than the bad deal pinball suggests.
3.) 03 Aug 2024 11:51:52
My trade is very clearly sarcastic since Marner is 99% staying put this season.
But even on the 1% chance he was traded, I think a Marner trade would look a lot more like a futures package for the Leafs instead of something ridiculous like, oh I don't know, Laine and Kent Johnson and a 2nd round pick with no retention on Laine.
02 Jul 2024 17:45:18
New York Rangers
- Jacob Trouba ($8m until 2026)
Detroit Red Wings
- Jeff Petry ($2.34m until 2025)
- Olli Maata ($3m until 2025)*
- 2025 1st round pick
- Jonathan Berggren (RFA)
*Detroit retains 25% of Maata's salary ($750k)
"Reports over draft weekend indicated the Detroit Red Wings are interested in acquiring Trouba, a Michigan native." - The Score, June 30, 2024
Honestly I don't know how this trade would play out I'm just looking at what Detroit might be willing to move while also realizing Trouba isn't the $8m defenseman he's paid to be anymore.
Petry would need to have NYR off of his 15 team no trade list, and he can't have any more salary retained as both Pittsburgh and Montreal are retaining to create the $2.34 cap hit he currently has.
Maata is he odd man out on the left side with Chiarot, Gustafson and either Edvinsson/Lagesson taking the last spot.
With their prospect pipeline already stockpiled, this might be the year Yzerman is willing to part with a 1st round pick. If prospects are what Drury would want, Mazur and Soderblom might be available but any 1st rounders drafted in the last 3 drafts are not on the trade block.
Drury just made $12.8 million in cap space with Goodrow being waived, but Schneider and Lindgren need new contracts and Miller, Lafreniere and Shesterkin are all eligible to sign extensions now.
I'm thinking 2 bottom pair defensemen, a 23 year old RFA forward and a 1st round pick might not be a quality return for their captain, but the Rangers might value the immediate roster help + no retention on Trouba's contract to be worth it.
This is a short term solution to free up more cap space for New York to keep their core players beyond 2025, and a long term solution for Detroit to bring in Trouba as a top 4 defenseman, a Michigan native, and potentially extend him after this contract ends.
1.) 02 Jul 2024 18:16:30
Seen a report that Shesterkin is wanting a huge raise. Like over $11mill. Miller and Laf both likely in the $6-$7mill range now for an extension. Gonna be an interesting situation to navigate for NYR management.
2.) 02 Jul 2024 23:05:18
Interesting scenario DRW. It would be a complicated one to pull off. Petry is also a Michigan boy.
I think a more likely scenario is a clean trade of Trouba to a mutually acceptable destination via another to ensure two teams could retain enough to not make a single team take on that gaudy cap hit.
(I. e. CHI by way of MTL, or some other combo of cities, with sweeteners for each. The ultimate destination will have to be a US city since his dad can’t legally travel outside of the U. S. to watch him play, which is why he left WPG to begin with. )
22 Jun 2024 21:21:15
Winnipeg Jets
- Rutger McGroarty
Carolina Hurricanes
- Martin Necas
Winnipeg are rumored to be shopping McGroarty, he wants NHL playing time and the Jets couldn't promise that.
Carolina has been shopping Necas and they're asking price is rumored to be high, but would the low cap ELC that McGroarty comes with along with his top 6 forward potential be enough?
1.) 23 Jun 2024 03:15:55
I like these two as the centerpieces. Just think Winnipeg has to add a pick or two.
2.) 23 Jun 2024 13:43:07
I actually suggest Rutger and a 1st for Necas on HFboards.
3.) 23 Jun 2024 15:34:30
I don't see Winnipeg targeting an RGA winger that has arb rights and is looking for a large raise.
It's more likely the Jets look for a comparable prospect or try to fill the hole at 2C or top 4 RHD even if they have to add.
4.) 23 Jun 2024 16:49:09
Unless McGroarty tells the Jets he won't sign with them I don't believe that he will be traded.
5.) 23 Jun 2024 17:30:27
The Winnipeg Jets are likely to trade former first-round pick Rutger McGroarty, a league source told The Athletic’s Murat Ates this weekend.
According to Ates, the University of Michigan star’s relationship with the Jets has deteriorated since the end of the NCAA season and he no longer believes his future is with the Jets.
Ates reports the Jets wanted to sign McGroarty to a professional contract this past April but were unwilling to promise the 20-year-old winger a path to playing time at the NHL level either that spring or the following fall in training camp. This meant that McGroarty could have been sent to the AHL instead of returning to Michigan to try and lead his team to a national title.
- posted from TSN.
If the Jets aren't ready to give him NHL ice time why would they hold onto him when his trade value is at an all time high?
Team needs that Marcus has mentioned include a top 6 winger and a top 4 defenseman preferably right handed.
Necas extension won't be higher than $7m and he's a versatile player who can play right wing or center.
But I guess we'll see on draft day.
6.) 24 Jun 2024 04:19:50
From what I've read Carolina wants top 6 forward for necas, not prospects or picks.
20 Jun 2024 17:21:44
Ottawa Senators
- LD Jake Chychrun ($4.6m until 2025)
- G Anton Forsberg ($2.75m until 2025)
- 2024 1st round pick (Boston's pick, 25th overall)
Boston Bruins
- G Linus Ullmark ($5m until 2025)
Ottawa is aggressively pushing to land Ullmark. The former Vezina trophy winner won't come cheap and the package offered reflects that.
Boston acquires a backup for Swayman this season and they recoup their 2024 1st round pick, but the prize here for them is Chychrun.
I dont expect Ottawa to hold onto Korpisalo, either a separate trade or a buyout will happen for Korpi.
1.) 20 Jun 2024 19:51:37
I did see this elsewhere, and while it seems steep for OTT with that 1st, the ARE desperate.
BOS is definitely in the drivers seat since so many teams need a starting goalie, and they have two.
2.) 24 Jun 2024 04:52:50
I really don't think Boston is trying to add salary.
17 Jun 2024 16:44:18
For the record, I dont think Marner wants to be traded but ultimately the decision to trade him comes down to him and whether he feels hes lived out his welcome in Toronto.
With Nashville, it seems like there are many fits that make them the leading candidate if Marner wants out. The line chemistry with O'Reilly, the cap space to sign long term, and a passionate fanbase that has realistic expectations of him and the team.
So with that being said, if Marner were to submit a trade list and Nashville was on it:
To Nashville:
Mitch Marner ($10.9m until 2025)
To Toronto:
Jusse Saros ($5m until 2025)
Luke Evangelista ($797.5k until 2025)
2024 2nd round pick (Winnipegs, 59th overall)
I've been wondering if Marner for Saros 1 for 1 is fair enough or if Nashville would be adding.
I've also looked through their entire roster to figure out what else Toronto could/would ask for in this blockbuster. Evangelista brings the most trade value being on an ELC with 54 points in 104 NHL games. He's not replacing Marner's talent or point production, but he's an ideal player to bring in for a middle 6 forward who might develop into a 50-60 point winger.
The late 2nd round pick seems unnecessary, you could argue its not needed or that its the last ask from Treliving to get the best return for Marner.
Currently, Toronto/Treliving doesnt have a 2nd round pick to use until 2027. The late 2nd round pick holds very little value but if Trotz was asked for a pick to be included in a Marner package, Nashville has 3 2nd round picks this year and 2 in 2025.
Since I'm not a Leafs fan with a fragile ego I welcome any feedback you guys have. Cheers!
1.) 17 Jun 2024 18:06:42
Marner is over valued here.
Marner for Saros maybe. I believe TO adds because of the cap difference.
2.) 17 Jun 2024 18:19:00
The return Marner gets will ultimately come down to whether it's a sign and trade or if he's given permission to negotiate an extension with the potential team before hand. Whatever that number is will determine what the return is. I think this is fairly accurate though.
3.) 17 Jun 2024 18:45:05
I agree MG, what I put together would be a draft day trade but waiting for free agency to start would open the door for a team to negotiate an extension and do a sign and trade deal with Toronto.
@Chazz keep in mind that although the $10.9m cap hit is huge, waiting until after July 1st also means Toronto is picking up his $7.250m signing bonus and it would likely increase the potential return for Marner.
4.) 18 Jun 2024 14:46:21
Fair value both ways.
I like it for both teams. Don’t see Marner waiving to go to Nashville not to resign there.
5.) 18 Jun 2024 17:54:53
I can see Marner waiving to strictly get out of Toronto. But no team should be willing to give up much unless there's an agreement to resign. He's a top player who can put up points and is for the most part very sound defensively. He had a horrible showing in the playoffs though and it definitely hurt his value.
End of the day he likely plays out his contract and hits the road. He's earned that right to do so. The amount of cap space that the Leafs will have come 2025 offseason is huge. And the 2025 free agency class has the potential to be one of the best. Though he'd be a huge loss something has to give cause the 'Pay four players north of $10mill' plan didn't work at all.
6.) 18 Jun 2024 19:39:01
I think if the Leafs hold off until after free agency opens to reach out to teams about Marner, they'll garner a lot more interest and might even get a few competitive offers from several teams.
The beauty about MLSE having such deep pockets is that they can afford to pay Marners signing bonus before a trade can materialize and it wouldn't even be an issue. Any team acquiring Marner is getting a player that makes $10.9 million on paper but 66% of that has already been paid up front in the bonus.
7.) 20 Jun 2024 20:08:22
Good post MG. You’re a fair-minded fan?.
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25 Jun 2024 00:35:50
Sweeney gonna Sween,
Ullmark to Ottawa for Korpisalo, Kastelic and 2024 1st round pick (25th overall, Bostons pick)
Senators retaining 25% of Korpisalos contract and Bruins are saving $1.165m in team salary.
Thoughts?
I can't believe Ottawa picked up a Vezina winning goalie for such a small package while getting rid of Korpisalos contact AND they managed to keep their 7th overall pick and Chychrun.
Sweeney got goofed
1.) 25 Jun 2024 03:57:05
Empty prospect cupboard and not wanting to take on any salary played a big part I feel. Korpisalo likely gets flipped for another pick. The need for a goalie marker wasn't the greatest and when you add that he had a NTC this very well could've been the best he could do.
Interested to see if Ullmark stays at his Vezina level or if he returns to his Buffalo Sabres form.
2.) 26 Jun 2024 20:54:35
Korpisalo at 3mil is a steal. He is a very over qualified backup to Swayman. Absolutely phenomenal asset managemet by Boston imo. Swayman is the number 1 there and Ullmark was not needed.
3.) 30 Jun 2024 00:59:35
It's not going to matter who's in the net if there isn't major improvements to the team's defensive structure.
27 Sep 2019 17:43:13
Laine signed 2 year bridge deal at 6.75m aav.
Hopefully this will put to rest the speculation of a trade, and brings some closure to what he's actually worth.
1.) 27 Sep 2019 18:07:47
$6M salary first year. $7.5M the final year. This deal would have been a lot better for more years that’s for sure.
Just shows how good a deal Point signed.
Read that Laine and Rantanen were on the same plane together heading back to North America today. Maybe He’s close to a deal too.
What’s he and Connor worth compared to this Laine deal?
2.) 27 Sep 2019 18:35:00
I’m still so shocked SJ have Timo $10M salary on his 4th and final year of the deal.
3.) 27 Sep 2019 20:02:05
Now does Connor get paid more than Laine? Is he worth more? Will Connor get a longer term deal compared to Laine?
The new questions now that his signing is finally done.
4.) 27 Sep 2019 20:42:38
Hopefully Laine will play with a chip on his shoulder after reading about him wanting out of Winnipeg and how he's a lazy, uninterested, one dimensional, selfish player. Glad he's back with the Jets.
5.) 28 Sep 2019 10:51:55
He is pretty 1 dimensional and I’m saying this as a huge fan of his.
6.) 28 Sep 2019 16:37:58
Who here thinks Timo Mier getting $10M in his 4th and final year of his contract, meaning his next contract has to start at $10M, Who disagrees with me and thinks that’s a great contract right now. Speak up. Lol. Curious to know who thinks that’s a good contract.
7.) 28 Sep 2019 20:58:15
Yupp, you've been drinking again. Mier got 6 mil a year over 4 years. Got 30 goals last year. Getting 10 mil this year must mean he got 14 mil the first 3 years right? 4 million is pretty cheap for a 30 goal guy.
8.) 29 Sep 2019 00:51:49
The Mier deal is fine. that’s approximately what he’s worth. Strong, goal scoring power forward. Perfect for the Sharks. I’d give him the same deal.
9.) 29 Sep 2019 18:04:02
What? Timo deal is 4 years x $6M AAV. But salty for the fourth and final year is $10M. Meaning his next deal will have to be qualified at $10M.
Tkuchuck and Points final year salary is $9M. They will have to be qualified at $9M now.
Lianes deal is like $6.75M AAV but salary is $6M first year and $7.5M next year. So his next deal has to be at least $7.5M.
These bridge deals can be alright, but the biggest thing to look at is the final years salary, not AAV. This is only an issue of the player is still a RFA when bridge deal is up.
I’m surprised I have to teach some of you this and you don’t understand what I’m saying.
21 Sep 2019 14:26:11
Interesting opinion I read online today, just wanted to share for context because we throw around a lot of Laine trades these days.
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Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet: It is believed that Dustin Byfuglien's ankle hasn't healed as much as they had hoped. The Winnipeg Jets would have traded Jacob Trouba anyways, but they would have planned differently with regards to Byfuglien. There will be trade rumors involving Justin Faulk and Rasmus Ristolainen.
The Jets were interested in Ben Hutton but had to wait and the Los Angeles Kings were ready to sign him.
Trading Patrik Laine for a defenseman would be a hard trade for the Jets to win. Laine will be looking for more than $6 million on any two-three year deal.
1.) 21 Sep 2019 15:50:54
Likely if Byfuglien retires, the Jets will just stand pat and play the young guys to get more experience for them. Then next summer they'll have a better idea of what kind of defenseman they need to add and sign one from the bumper UFA crop next summer. The Jets were the 2nd or 3rd youngest team last year, so there is no need to throw away young talent on aging vets that won't make much difference to our playoff chances.
Faulk and Risto may be options for this year, but only if they come cheap. If the Jets trade for one of them, it won't be for Ehlers, Laine or Connor. Unless it was part of a much larger deal.
09 Oct 2024 00:11:50
Whats wrong with Kampf? Why is he included in every single trade you come up with?
If this isn't a cap saving move then it means you think Kampf isn't good enough to hold his own as a PK specialist.
If it will cost Toronto Liljegren just to attract a team into taking Kampf, wouldn't it be easier to just hold onto him and see how the season starts out?
Since the Leafs haven't even played a single game this season nevermind played one with the lines they want to roll, how can you say this move gives them 4 solid lines?
Overall thoughts, you once again forgot that the Leafs are forward heavy and don't need a scoring forward if it's going to cost them a PK specialist and a right handed defenseman.
07 Oct 2024 17:07:06
Toronto is already over the cap with Pacioretty and Lorentz signed.
They also have a log jam at LW with Knies, Robertson, Pacioretty and even Cowen and Alex Nylander. They don't need Vatrano but they do need cap space.
Kampf and Jarnkrok have modified NTCs which may include Anaheim as 1 of their 10 no trade teams since they're on a playoff team already and wouldn't want to play for a bottom feeder.
You could offer Liljegren to Anaheim for future considerations to make cap space, but then again Anaheim has no need for him on their RHD depth and the Leafs are short of RHD depth already.
Overall thoughts are you woke up this morning and didn't seem to notice that the Leafs roster is forward heavy and in no need of a scoring winger.
07 Oct 2024 13:11:49
So Boston receives:
Linus Ullmark
2 1st round draft picks
Joonas Korpisalo
Mark Kastelic
And all they need to do is trade Swayman?
03 Oct 2024 03:04:00
Or LA could just continue you to develop Clarke and give him more opportunities on the PP with Doughty out.
And I think you meant Clarke has such a high ceiling it's worth the cost.
And you're correct, Clarke has such a high ceiling it would take a much better return for LA than 3 role players on the Leafs roster, a goaltender prospect and a late 1st round pick.
01 Oct 2024 21:48:24
Typical Pinball proposal showcasing how much of a soft Leafs fan he is.
No loyalty to any players that have locker room chemistry and packaging 3 players for 1 in return whilst at the same time claiming that Leafs players hold some value.
Vbv you may be right about Liljegrens value to the Leafs vs his actual value as a player. But that doesn't excuse you from being softer than 10 ply toilet paper. You're quick to attack someones intelligence when you disagree with their opinions, and even quicker to cry about bullying when your own intelligence is being questioned.
It's sad to see that a summer break from posting on here hasn't changed anything from either one of you.