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17 Jun 2024 16:44:18
For the record, I dont think Marner wants to be traded but ultimately the decision to trade him comes down to him and whether he feels hes lived out his welcome in Toronto.

With Nashville, it seems like there are many fits that make them the leading candidate if Marner wants out. The line chemistry with O'Reilly, the cap space to sign long term, and a passionate fanbase that has realistic expectations of him and the team.

So with that being said, if Marner were to submit a trade list and Nashville was on it:


To Nashville:

Mitch Marner ($10.9m until 2025)

To Toronto:

Jusse Saros ($5m until 2025)
Luke Evangelista ($797.5k until 2025)
2024 2nd round pick (Winnipegs, 59th overall)


I've been wondering if Marner for Saros 1 for 1 is fair enough or if Nashville would be adding.

I've also looked through their entire roster to figure out what else Toronto could/would ask for in this blockbuster. Evangelista brings the most trade value being on an ELC with 54 points in 104 NHL games. He's not replacing Marner's talent or point production, but he's an ideal player to bring in for a middle 6 forward who might develop into a 50-60 point winger.

The late 2nd round pick seems unnecessary, you could argue its not needed or that its the last ask from Treliving to get the best return for Marner.

Currently, Toronto/Treliving doesnt have a 2nd round pick to use until 2027. The late 2nd round pick holds very little value but if Trotz was asked for a pick to be included in a Marner package, Nashville has 3 2nd round picks this year and 2 in 2025.

Since I'm not a Leafs fan with a fragile ego I welcome any feedback you guys have. Cheers!

DrwDave

1.) 17 Jun 2024 18:06:42
Marner is over valued here.

Marner for Saros maybe. I believe TO adds because of the cap difference.


2.) 17 Jun 2024 18:19:00
The return Marner gets will ultimately come down to whether it's a sign and trade or if he's given permission to negotiate an extension with the potential team before hand. Whatever that number is will determine what the return is. I think this is fairly accurate though.


3.) 17 Jun 2024 18:45:05
I agree MG, what I put together would be a draft day trade but waiting for free agency to start would open the door for a team to negotiate an extension and do a sign and trade deal with Toronto.

@Chazz keep in mind that although the $10.9m cap hit is huge, waiting until after July 1st also means Toronto is picking up his $7.250m signing bonus and it would likely increase the potential return for Marner.


4.) 18 Jun 2024 14:46:21
Fair value both ways.
I like it for both teams. Don’t see Marner waiving to go to Nashville not to resign there.


5.) 18 Jun 2024 17:54:53
I can see Marner waiving to strictly get out of Toronto. But no team should be willing to give up much unless there's an agreement to resign. He's a top player who can put up points and is for the most part very sound defensively. He had a horrible showing in the playoffs though and it definitely hurt his value.

End of the day he likely plays out his contract and hits the road. He's earned that right to do so. The amount of cap space that the Leafs will have come 2025 offseason is huge. And the 2025 free agency class has the potential to be one of the best. Though he'd be a huge loss something has to give cause the 'Pay four players north of $10mill' plan didn't work at all.


 

 

11 Jun 2024 13:20:13
Something I think we might see on the draft floor on June 28th is the Calgary Flames drafting back to back in the 1st round.

With their 9th overall pick the Calgary Flames select Berkly Catton from the Spokane Chiefs.

And then... we have a trade to announce.

The New Jersey Devils trade their 10th overall pick to the Calgary Flames in exchange for Jacob Markstrom and the 62nd overall pick.

To New Jersey: Jacob Markstrom, pick #62 (2nd round)

To Calgary: Pick #10

Calgary uses this drama to announce that with the 10th overall pick, they select Tij Iginla from the Kelowna Rockets.

Calgary walks away from day 1 of the draft with 2 top 10 picks and the next generations Iginla to play for the Flames.

New Jersey walks away from day 1 of the draft with their starting goalie solidified and have a 2nd round pick to use on day 2(they currently have no 2nd round pick this year.)

DrwDave

1.) 11 Jun 2024 14:49:59
Done deal for both teams.


2.) 11 Jun 2024 21:00:41
I’m not sold on Markstrom returning the 10th overall pick. If a goalie is moved for 10th overall I see it being Saros/ Askarov or Sorokin. They are more comparable to Schnider due to age. Markstrom is not exactly young anymore.


 

 

08 Jun 2024 14:10:38
Tampa Bay Lightning:
- Tanner Jeannot ($2.665m for 2024-25)
- 2025 3rd round pick

NHL Utah
- Shea Weber ($7.857m until 2025-26 on LTIR)
- 2024 7th round pick


Lightning free up cap space to get Stamkos signed, and acquire another player that can be placed on LTIR for the next 2 seasons for more cap flexibility.

Utah acquire a roster player and a slightly higher draft pick in return, and can benefit from using Jeannot this season while they determine if he fits and should be extended, or could be traded at the deadline.

DrwDave

1.) 09 Jun 2024 07:51:48
Solid


 

 

04 Jun 2024 17:57:17
LA Kings:
- Arthur Kaliyev(RFA)

Buffalo Sabres:
- 2024 2nd round pick (43rd overall)


Kaliyev has requested a trade and Blake will be looking to move him. The Sabres seem like a great fit with their young core.

LA also has no draft pick in the 2nd round this year.

The Sabres prospect pipeline is considered #1 in the league* (according to ESPN), so trading a 2nd round draft pick to acquire a 22 year old power scoring forward seems like a smart gamble for Buffalo.

DrwDave

1.) 04 Jun 2024 22:11:26
I think BUF adds another pick or midrange prospect. ?.


 

 

04 Jun 2024 17:24:46
Tampa Bay Lightning:
- Tanner Jeannot ($2.665m for 2024-25)
- 2024 6th round pick

NHL Utah
- Shea Weber ($7.857m until 2025-26 on LTIR)
- 2024 7th round pick


Lightning free up cap space to get Stamkos signed, and acquire another player that can be placed on LTIR for the next 2 seasons for more cap flexibility.

Utah acquire a roster player and a slightly higher draft pick in return, and can benefit from using Jeannot this season while they determine if he fits and should be extended, or could be traded at the deadline.

I included the 6th in exchange for the 7th just as an extra sweetener for Utah because this trade is helping Tampa in a huge way.

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27 Sep 2019 17:43:13
Laine signed 2 year bridge deal at 6.75m aav.

Hopefully this will put to rest the speculation of a trade, and brings some closure to what he's actually worth.

DrwDave

1.) 27 Sep 2019 18:07:47
$6M salary first year. $7.5M the final year. This deal would have been a lot better for more years that’s for sure.
Just shows how good a deal Point signed.
Read that Laine and Rantanen were on the same plane together heading back to North America today. Maybe He’s close to a deal too.
What’s he and Connor worth compared to this Laine deal?


2.) 27 Sep 2019 18:35:00
I’m still so shocked SJ have Timo $10M salary on his 4th and final year of the deal.


3.) 27 Sep 2019 20:02:05
Now does Connor get paid more than Laine? Is he worth more? Will Connor get a longer term deal compared to Laine?

The new questions now that his signing is finally done.


4.) 27 Sep 2019 20:42:38
Hopefully Laine will play with a chip on his shoulder after reading about him wanting out of Winnipeg and how he's a lazy, uninterested, one dimensional, selfish player. Glad he's back with the Jets.


5.) 28 Sep 2019 10:51:55
He is pretty 1 dimensional and I’m saying this as a huge fan of his.


6.) 28 Sep 2019 16:37:58
Who here thinks Timo Mier getting $10M in his 4th and final year of his contract, meaning his next contract has to start at $10M, Who disagrees with me and thinks that’s a great contract right now. Speak up. Lol. Curious to know who thinks that’s a good contract.


7.) 28 Sep 2019 20:58:15
Yupp, you've been drinking again. Mier got 6 mil a year over 4 years. Got 30 goals last year. Getting 10 mil this year must mean he got 14 mil the first 3 years right? 4 million is pretty cheap for a 30 goal guy.


8.) 29 Sep 2019 00:51:49
The Mier deal is fine. that’s approximately what he’s worth. Strong, goal scoring power forward. Perfect for the Sharks. I’d give him the same deal.


9.) 29 Sep 2019 18:04:02
What? Timo deal is 4 years x $6M AAV. But salty for the fourth and final year is $10M. Meaning his next deal will have to be qualified at $10M.
Tkuchuck and Points final year salary is $9M. They will have to be qualified at $9M now.
Lianes deal is like $6.75M AAV but salary is $6M first year and $7.5M next year. So his next deal has to be at least $7.5M.
These bridge deals can be alright, but the biggest thing to look at is the final years salary, not AAV. This is only an issue of the player is still a RFA when bridge deal is up.
I’m surprised I have to teach some of you this and you don’t understand what I’m saying.


 

 

21 Sep 2019 14:26:11
Interesting opinion I read online today, just wanted to share for context because we throw around a lot of Laine trades these days.

31 Thoughts Rumor Roundup
Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet: It is believed that Dustin Byfuglien's ankle hasn't healed as much as they had hoped. The Winnipeg Jets would have traded Jacob Trouba anyways, but they would have planned differently with regards to Byfuglien. There will be trade rumors involving Justin Faulk and Rasmus Ristolainen.

The Jets were interested in Ben Hutton but had to wait and the Los Angeles Kings were ready to sign him.

Trading Patrik Laine for a defenseman would be a hard trade for the Jets to win. Laine will be looking for more than $6 million on any two-three year deal.

DrwDave

1.) 21 Sep 2019 15:50:54
Likely if Byfuglien retires, the Jets will just stand pat and play the young guys to get more experience for them. Then next summer they'll have a better idea of what kind of defenseman they need to add and sign one from the bumper UFA crop next summer. The Jets were the 2nd or 3rd youngest team last year, so there is no need to throw away young talent on aging vets that won't make much difference to our playoff chances.

Faulk and Risto may be options for this year, but only if they come cheap. If the Jets trade for one of them, it won't be for Ehlers, Laine or Connor. Unless it was part of a much larger deal.


 

 

 

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17 Jun 2024 20:02:33
Thanks Tuna! I think you're right about Guentzel, the early reports last month suggested that Carolina wanted to try to sign and keep Guentzel but I know I've read that the Hurricanes are open to trading his negotiating rights now.

I think the negotiating rights could be harder to acquire than just offering another free agents negotiating rights though, maybe at least a late round draft pick as well. For example, in the past Detroit has traded a 3rd round pick and the rights to Jonathan Bernier for the rights to Alex Nedjelkovic in 2021 and a 3rd round pick for the rights to Ville Husso in 2022.

Maybe if the Canes are interested in Joshua, his negotiating rights + their 2024 4th round pick would be the right trade value?

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17 Jun 2024 18:45:05
I agree MG, what I put together would be a draft day trade but waiting for free agency to start would open the door for a team to negotiate an extension and do a sign and trade deal with Toronto.

@Chazz keep in mind that although the $10.9m cap hit is huge, waiting until after July 1st also means Toronto is picking up his $7.250m signing bonus and it would likely increase the potential return for Marner.

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17 Jun 2024 15:26:56
The UFA rights trade makes no sense, I don't think there's ever been a trade between teams for solely the UFA rights between 2 players.

And I think the reason Hronek hasn't been signed yet is Vancouver isn't willing to go as high as $8m, they want a # lower than Hughes AAV and Hronek has been rumored to be included in their attempts to trade Carolina for Necas.

I do like the Mikheyev trade though and I think Utah would pull the trigger on that if it was offered.

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16 Jun 2024 14:05:07
I like the idea but it wouldn't work for many reasons. Nylander has a full no move clause and seems very happy to be playing in Toronto for the next 8 years.

Calgary already made a long term commitment to Huberdeau which turned out to be a huge mistake. If the Flames are as bad as they were this season WITH Andersson and Kuz, I dont even want to imagine how bad they'd be without those 2 and Nylander instead.

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16 Jun 2024 13:58:50
So in other words, the only fantasies that are valid are pinballs.

Everyone else's fantasies are just ridiculous.

If we're going to dream we got to dream BIG like pinball:

- Throw 3 RFAs and a 1st round pick at the LA Kings for their captain.
- Tell everyone Marner won't be traded, but then trade Marner for 4 1st round picks and tell everyone you're doing the other team a favor because Marner is better than everything Toronto is getting back


At least now we know what we've all been missing this whole time.

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