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04 Aug 2022 15:16:15
Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Simmonds
Niemela (SML)
1st Round Pick 2024
Vancouver Trades
JTMiller
4th Round Pick 2023
I have tweeked a few things from my proposal the other day changing Niemela from NRobertson with The Canucks looking more on a Defenceman Prospect, changing The Leafs 2023 1st Rounder to a 2024 1st Rounder, and Vancouver sending a 4th Rounder instead of a 7th Round Pick in the 2023 Draft.
The reasons are still the same of what each Team would be looking for going forward into next season.
Thoughts ?
1.) 04 Aug 2022 17:57:24
I think it's best to tweak in the thread of your original proposal, otherwise it does look like the exact same trade & players all the time.
2.) 04 Aug 2022 19:41:05
Vancouver wants a RD who can play on the top pair right away. They won't get it but that is what they want.
They probably want someone a fair bit bigger than Quinn Hughes and a whole lot better defensively. Niemela is the exact opposite another small "offensive" defenseman.
3.) 05 Aug 2022 03:07:32
This yard sale isn’t even close to what VCR will get for Miller.
4.) 05 Aug 2022 17:20:57
I keep reading this as though VAN will get a VCR for Miller from another Yard Sale, as if that's a better return lol.
03 Aug 2022 21:03:50
Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Simmonds
NRobertson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2023
Vancouver Trades
JTMiller
7th Round Pick 2023
Canucks are at a point of either sign JTMiller or Trade him, this proposal is only if Vancouver decides they aren't resigning him, Kerfoot and Simmonds are obviously for just this upcoming season, and NRobertson and The 1st Rounder are stocking up for the future, with NRobertson on the bubble of becoming a regular in The NHL.
Leafs are looking for that Top Left Winger to fill out the Top 6, and JTMiller would fit perfectly on Toronto on either Matthews or Tavares's line, Muzzin has to be traded regardless if this proposal happens or not to get under The Cap, Toronto will be trading away some future with NRobertson and a 1st Rounder being shipped out, but worth it imo.
Thoughts ?
1.) 03 Aug 2022 21:39:43
Take out Simmonds + the 7th and I don't mind it
Need to send a Pick to ARI, BUF or ANA to retain 50% of Miller's contract though to fit him in + Sign RFA Sandin
Could swap Holl (if he approves=M-NTC) for Schenn at the same time
1st + Kerfoot@3.5 + Holl@2 + Robertson FOR Miller@5.25 + Schenn@850k.
2.) 03 Aug 2022 22:22:24
another Kerfoot, Robertson trade… wow, I atleast you didn’t include Holl ig… no from vancouver
3.) 03 Aug 2022 23:30:51
Pinball, is Robertson the new Bracco? Someone that you guarantee us is a top 6 forward on any team but the Leafs, but will end up not being qualified?
4.) 03 Aug 2022 23:53:18
@memarcus pretty much, I remember the Bracco days lmfao
5.) 04 Aug 2022 00:51:04
I get the jab's about @Pinball and myself proposing Trades with the same players often, but what are we supposed to do!? Propose Trading our Best Players!?
Teams looking to get Top Picks inevitably have to take a player in return. MTL took back Tyler Pitlick to get a 1st + 2nd Round Prospect Heineman for Toffoli
I guess they also got the 5th Round Pick, so a 1st + Nick Robertson + Alex Kerfoot + 5th/ Simmonds seems about right to me. At least Toffoli had Term whereas JT Miller is a Rental.
Only other thing you could do is counter-propose with more Picks and a 3rd Team to take on Kerfoot and/ or JT Miller's Cap Hit, otherwise TOR can't take him on.
6.) 04 Aug 2022 15:28:11
Nick Robertson isn't Bracco. Also leafs don’t want to get rid of him. There’s a good chance he ends up on the Tavares-Nylander line to start the season.
7.) 04 Aug 2022 18:07:50
Robertson has Good Potential. Surprised I haven't seen a proposal with DAL to guilt Jason in to signing a Team Friendly deal now that they brought his Brother in.
8.) 05 Aug 2022 01:51:11
LOL, Nick Robertson with Tavares and Nylander. That'd last about 5 minutes before he's benched.
28 Jul 2022 11:59:56
Islanders Trade
JBailey
MMartin
Leafs Trade
Kerfoot
Muzzin
2 for 2 deal that tweeks both Teams needs.
Islanders add a third line 2 way Centre in Kerfoot,and a much needed Veteran Lefthanded Shooting Defenceman in Muzzin in this proposal.
Leafs get a better suited LWinger in JBailey who played well with Tavares on The Island, MMartin a former Leaf comes back as fourth line energy Winger that fits what's needed now on Toronto, also gives Toronto the Cap Space that's much needed.
Thoughts ?
27 Jul 2022 20:44:31
Ottawa Trades
MMurray
3rd Round Pick 2023
7th Round Pick 2024
Toronto Trades
Muzzin
This would complete The Draft Day Deal that sent MMurray and 2 Draft Picks to The Leafs for future considerations, Muzzin would have to accept a trade to Ottawa and it's only my assumption, but Dubas would have had to have the ok by Muzzin first.
To me if I am right this trade makes even more sense for both Teams, as it's still not completed.
Thoughts ?
1.) 27 Jul 2022 23:14:40
Matt Murray already got traded to TOR.
2.) 27 Jul 2022 23:22:25
I’m so confused
3.) 28 Jul 2022 08:16:30
Stop using Internet Explorer pinball lol.
4.) 28 Jul 2022 20:17:01
I’m going to smoke a fatty, then come back and try reading this again.
5.) 28 Jul 2022 21:28:28
Nah, Ottawa is fine with the actual return of Future Considerations. Compared to Muzzin and Murray, that guy will be a stud, and a lot cheaper. ? ?.
6.) 28 Jul 2022 23:17:47
Confused as to why Ottawa would have given up 2 draft picks ti take on Muzzins bad contract.
26 Jul 2022 11:27:01
Sharks Trade
Meier*
Leafs Trade
Kerfoot
NRobertson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2023
*Sharks retain 25% of Meier's contract.
Leafs add a Top 6 Winger that they are looking for, Muzzin will have to be traded before the season starts to get under the Cap and also resign Sandin.
Sharks get more than they got for Burns in this proposal, and being in a rebuild this is a typical trade(s) Grier will be making to go forward for San Jose.
Thoughts ?
1.) 26 Jul 2022 11:51:24
Meier would fetch a whole lot more than that.
2.) 26 Jul 2022 15:04:47
MoxNix
So please tell me what Meier would fetch in a trade?
He is on an expiring contract to start, he is a very good player but in the same category as WNylander, who has 2 years left on his contract not 1 year like Meier.
Grier trades Burns a stud on Defense that's signed another 3 season's, plus retained salary for less of a package I am proposing.
So to say SJ will get much more you haven't been paying attention to the trades this offseason.
3.) 26 Jul 2022 15:43:25
He’s an RFA and that’s not even close to enough value.
4.) 26 Jul 2022 17:09:27
If Meier were to become available he'd be the 2nd biggest trade of this offseason after Tkachuk. Were you paying attention to what the Flames received in the Tkachuk trade?
Meier >>> Nylander
Meier > every Leaf except Matthews.
5.) 26 Jul 2022 17:16:26
Dude just look at what Tkachuk got. If they somehow got Meier then i think you're giving up Nylander or Bunting, 1st and Knies. Stop proposing lopsided trades lol. Kerfoot is a solid 3rd liner, Robertson is an alright prospect, and that first will be around 20-32 I'm guessing plus you want them to retain? San Jose blocks your number dude. I'm not trying to hate cause i really like Kerfoot but he wouldn't hold much value to a team like San Jose especially when they're giving up an elite player like Meier.
6.) 26 Jul 2022 17:25:16
I think i may have figured out who the armchair gm is on cap friendly that has been posting lopsided Leafs trades...Pinbaaaall
7.) 26 Jul 2022 17:27:32
I can't believe you tried to use a trade for 37 year old Brent Burns as a comparable for 25 year old pending RFA power forward Timo Meier.
With Tkachuk gone Timo Meier would be at or near the top of the list of most teams free agent wish lists. He'd fetch a return a lot closer to the one Tkachuk got than what you proposed too!
8.) 26 Jul 2022 18:23:04
I think Meier’s value is somewhere between Tkachuk and Fiala, closer to Fiala. Except San Jose has no reason to take whatever offer they get like Minny did. Honestly a 1st and Robertson are a pretty good start if San Jose needed to move him obviously need to add though.
9.) 26 Jul 2022 18:30:26
fr lmfao like whaaat, Burns to Meier comparison lol
10.) 26 Jul 2022 19:11:28
Speaking from a Flames point of view several players and prospects that Calgary normally wouldn't consider trading would be available in a trade for Timo Meier.
That includes prospects Pelletier, Coronato and maybe Wolf too, forwards Mangiapane and any forward under him on the depth chart, any defenseman other Andersson (Weegar too if he resigns) and possibly even Huberdeau.
11.) 26 Jul 2022 19:50:21
Wait a second everyone attacking me on my proposal.
Kevin Fiala and Meier are completely comparable in player value, what did The Wild get for him?
If you all don't know a Defenceman (prospect) who is less of a prospect than NRobertson, and a 19th Overall Pick, yes Meier is one season away from being a RFA but what I proposed is very comparable and adding Kerfoot and NRobertson being a better Prospect than LAKings gave Minny it's about right not having to sign Meier until after next season.
The Fiala trade set the asking price for similar players in similar situations, that's how the NHL works, that's like selling a similar house for much more when the market says different, that is also comparable to what I just explained.
12.) 26 Jul 2022 23:57:27
Setting aside the lousy value everyone else is pointing out;
- Meier makes 6M
- Kerfoot makes 3.5M
- leafs are 1.493M OVER the Cap, with one roster spot left to fill
Think it through Pinball…. steady……. steady…….
PS. Does Scooby have permission to trade one more 1st? Won’t the next GM need that for the next rebuild?
13.) 27 Jul 2022 00:20:26
It’s like selling your house after a divorce and having no choice compared to waiting it out and getting the best price. Lol I don’t know but I don’t think that package gets Meier. We’ve seen the same package about 300 times so it’s a little nauseating to see and makes it have less value.
14.) 27 Jul 2022 00:26:55
As usual. a ridiculous trade.
Jesus I'm starting to think this Kerfoot is Wayne Gretzky.
15.) 27 Jul 2022 00:38:07
EBS: in the words of the immortal Troy McClure:
“A town with money is a lot like a mule with a spinning wheel. No one knows how he got it……. and danged if he knows what to do with it. ”
?.
16.) 27 Jul 2022 03:09:22
Yeah Miere isn’t a better player then Marner and doesn’t bring the on ice value Tavares does as a centre.
17.) 27 Jul 2022 14:47:07
@Bossman Pinball thinks Kerfoot is Jesus!
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18 Mar 2022 19:12:42
Toronto Trades
WNylander
NRobertson
Liljegren
Dermott
Hirvonen (SML)
1st Round Pick 2022
2nd Round Pick 2023
Vancouver Trades
JTMiller
Garland
LSchenn
Hunt
Both Toronto and Vancouver basically said respectfully that WNylander and/or JTMiller wouldn't be traded from their respected teams, and I know it probably won't happen, but if both Teams would be willing I believe this would be great trade for both Teams imo, plus it would be the biggest deadline trade in NHL history.
Thoughts ?
08 Apr 2021 12:48:24
2 Trade Proposals for The Leafs.
First Trade.
Buffalo Trades
THall (50% of Contract Retained)
Toronto Trades
Barabanov
1st Round Pick 2021
Second Trade.
Detroit Trades
Bernier (50% of Contract Retained)
Toronto Trades
FAndersen
4th Round Pick 2021
The Leafs wouldn't have to trade Kerfoot or any other player on the current roster besides an injured FAndersen and replacing him with a healthy Bernier and saving 3.5m in Cap keeps Kerfoot on the Team only making them deeper with quality depth.
The Trades for UFAs have been established and this is very similar to what The Islanders and Devils did last night.
Thoughts ?
04 Apr 2021 21:33:42
Devils Trade
Palmieri (50% of Contract Retained)
Toronto Trades
Simmonds
2nd Round Pick 2021
Leafs are just under the cap limit so it works Cap Wise in this trade proposal.
Thoughts ?
1.) 05 Apr 2021 20:11:28
He’s the only guy that can fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Do you want them to get bullied in the playoffs and throw their skirts on? Or would you rather the other team know there are consequences for their actions.
2.) 06 Apr 2021 23:05:24
Agree with Toronto17. one thing Leafs have lacked the past couple of years is gritty hard nosed players. so Pinball, why would you want to trade away one of the grittier in your face types, the league has to offer? He may not score the way he once did. but he's still an important player. Leafs have enough guys to put the puck in the net. need to keep the grit. And. he still can score .
3.) 07 Apr 2021 04:52:15
If this is all Palmeri can get the devils will keep him .
11 Jul 2020 15:34:12
A Proposal that I don't see happening but if it did would either Team be even interested in doing it ?
Edmonton Traded
McDavid
Toronto Trades
Matthews
Kapanen
Dermott
Thoughts ?
1.) 11 Jul 2020 17:54:42
The Oilers would never do this trade.
2.) 11 Jul 2020 19:49:21
One team would take it and run and the other wouldn't give the deal any consideration at all. See if you can put aside your heavy bias for one minute Pinball and figure out which is which.
3.) 11 Jul 2020 22:55:38
replace kap with freddie and a couple firsts and the oil don't hang up immediately.
4.) 12 Jul 2020 01:38:50
Mackinnon at 6.3 million>>>McDavid with the flat cap.
McDavid isn’t a top 5 most valuable player in the NHL anymore imo but mathews certainly isn’t either.
5.) 14 Jul 2020 01:05:15
McDavid for Matthews, Marner, Rielly and a 1st.
6.) 14 Jul 2020 17:10:33
@EP40 I hope that’s a troll.
Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes and Horvat for McDavid.
7.) 17 Jul 2020 03:24:45
Matthews and Reilly is fair value, but the leafs would still have to add Kapanen To get it done.
18 Jul 2019 11:22:48
Leafs sign Marleau for 700k which they can as Carolina bought him out not Toronto.
Marleau slaps out Marner and makes him sign a 8yr Deal at 8.5m a year and everything is solved in Leaf Land.
Thoughts ?
1.) 18 Jul 2019 14:57:10
Someone would probably have to slap him pretty hard to get him to sign that deal.
2.) 18 Jul 2019 16:37:49
pretty sure I had read that the Leafs offered him 8 years x $10 mln already, so yah he's not signing that
He wants to sign a shorter team deal so he can hit paydirt again in 5 years or whatever.
3.) 19 Jul 2019 01:49:38
Get Ariana Grande to get him on the Igor then maybe he’ll sign it.
4.) 20 Jul 2019 19:46:59
I was in a taxi line in Vegas two days ago behind Marluea and his wife. Super nice guy, talked for 6/ 7 minutes. Shook our hands twice. I asked him if he’s going back to SJ, if they want him back or not and he kinda laughed and got an unsure type answer. I asked if Mitchy boy is going to sign soon, if they are watching some of the other RFAs or not and he says he thinks everyone is waiting for Mitch.
Super nice guy, I wish I had of asked if Mathews wanted a 5 year deal to be UFA sooner to go back home to AZ sooner or not. Wish I got his reaction to that. Haha. Super nice guy, he and his wife.
5.) 20 Jul 2019 19:58:58
His wife is a super nice guy? lol.
6.) 20 Jul 2019 20:04:40
I can’t believe you shook his hand, twice. Cool story bro, lol. How’s Lesnar doing?
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26 Jul 2022 19:50:21
Wait a second everyone attacking me on my proposal.
Kevin Fiala and Meier are completely comparable in player value, what did The Wild get for him?
If you all don't know a Defenceman (prospect) who is less of a prospect than NRobertson, and a 19th Overall Pick, yes Meier is one season away from being a RFA but what I proposed is very comparable and adding Kerfoot and NRobertson being a better Prospect than LAKings gave Minny it's about right not having to sign Meier until after next season.
The Fiala trade set the asking price for similar players in similar situations, that's how the NHL works, that's like selling a similar house for much more when the market says different, that is also comparable to what I just explained.
26 Jul 2022 15:04:47
MoxNix
So please tell me what Meier would fetch in a trade?
He is on an expiring contract to start, he is a very good player but in the same category as WNylander, who has 2 years left on his contract not 1 year like Meier.
Grier trades Burns a stud on Defense that's signed another 3 season's, plus retained salary for less of a package I am proposing.
So to say SJ will get much more you haven't been paying attention to the trades this offseason.
17 Jul 2022 23:12:46
TrevorA
This proposal would give Toronto 1.9 million to sign Sandin, if you send Simmonds to The Marlies that's 2.8 million to sign Sandin with a 22 man roster, plenty of Cap to resign Sandin.
Player and Cap Space Wise it would help The Leafs, MMartin would be The Patrick Maroon of The Leafs on the 4th Line, JBailey had great success playing on a line with Tavares with NY, and Mayfield is a perfect Defense Partner for Rielly.
10 Jul 2022 21:01:55
LilTuzziBert
It's ok if you're a Leaf hater, there are a lot out there, unlike the DeBrincat trade in my proposal I am offering a Top Winger in Nylander, weather you believe he is one he truly is one, Kerfoot is a solid 2 way forward and Muzzin is still a Top 4 Defenceman, Robertson at 20 years old is a true Top Prospect as well I added a 1st Round Pick for one season of JTMiller more than likely, Garland is really a replacement for Kerfoot similar players and Myers with a 6 million a year contract, how this is ripping off Vancouver I would love to hear your logic?
06 Jul 2022 22:59:26
LilTuzziBert
You're right about Holl, that package is way to much going to Vancouver, Canucks would have to part with a 4th Rounder and Holl would be replaced with Liljegren out of the proposal.
Trade Breakdown
JTMiller/ Garland/ 4th Round Pick 2022
-WNylander/ Kerfoot/ Holl/ NRobertson/
1st Round Pick 2022
Myers/ Dickinson - Muzzin/ Simmonds
Cap Difference is basically even.
Player difference basically even.
Canucks are better long term.
Leafs are better for the now.
Thanks for making me look at it in a more prospective way, now this proposal does make more sense for both Teams not just one.
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