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22 Jul 2021 11:00:50
Edmonton Trades
McDavid
Toronto Trades
Matthews
Hyman
Rielly
Hearing there is a sign and trade side deal before Hyman becomes a UFA so Edmonton can get an extra year in his contract, so why not expand it more if both clubs are looking to change the core.
Edmonton will yes be losing the best player on the planet but adding 3 top players like that overall helps them.
Toronto wasn't signing Hyman anyways and trading Rielly opens up space to sign DHamilton, yes they lose those 3 players but if DHamilton is signed and McDavid is a Leaf I think they are better in the end.
Thoughts ?
1.) 22 Jul 2021 12:48:10
I’d rather keep the 3 pieces from Toronto honestly.
2.) 22 Jul 2021 13:43:04
Leafs would have to add. alot.
12 Jul 2021 15:41:25
Detroit Trades
Larkin
Bertuzzi
1st Round Pick 2021 (6th Overall)
2nd Round Pick 2021 (52nd Overall)
3rd Round Pick 2021 (94th Overall)
Toronto Trades
Matthews
Yes this is are you kidding me proposal but wouldn't it help both Teams in all aspects ? Detroit brings in one of the best Centres in the NHL to build around, Toronto yes loses Matthews but with the talent they already have adding 2 top 6 players plus a high 1st Round Pick plus another 2nd Rounder and a 3rd Rounder keeps the prospect pool going strong for the future, and with the Cap money of Matthews off the books they can resign Hyman if they choose to.
Thoughts ?
1.) 12 Jul 2021 16:50:56
Detroit is giving up way too much here. Like this seems like an NHL 21 type of trade.
I can understand asking for Larkin and Bertuzzi but Matthews shouldn’t get both plus a high first . Like maybe we add the 2nd you mentioned but that’s about it.
As I know this is purely for a what if kind of thing. I don’t see Detroit giving up their depth and picks in a rebuild for Matthews and I don’t see Matthews wanting to go from Cup Contender to rebuild.
2.) 12 Jul 2021 18:21:52
Leafs would never do this. everyone on Detroit looks better than they actually are. Exhibit A is Mantha. While he was good in Washington, he was significantly worse than what I think the Caps were expecting. Conversely Vrana was a lot better in Detroit.
Larkin and Bertuzzi are overrated, at least in respect to the value that Wings fans give them.
3.) 12 Jul 2021 23:12:16
I’d do this without hesitation from a leafs POV.
4.) 12 Jul 2021 23:30:08
@Webs, I understand your point there. Mantha was a player who has skill but lacked consistent efforts. Who knows maybe more time in Washington allows him to do better.
As for Wings fans overvaluation of Larkin and Bertuzzi, our intention isn’t to do that, it’s simply that they are our best players on a team that doesn’t have the fortune of having a Matthews, McDavid, etc. We don’t have a pure elite Top 50 NHLer.
So we are not saying that either one is worth a mountain but we just expect a larger return because their value to us is higher because we don’t have any internal replacements. So it will cost you more than you would like to get us to pull the trigger which may make it an overpayment.
5.) 13 Jul 2021 04:17:31
Good deal for Toronto but not for Detroit. This would make them worse now and delay a rebuild.
Toronto won't trade Matthews anyhow.
03 Jul 2021 18:33:10
Arizona Trades
Dvorak
Garland (RFA)
Toronto Trades
Engvall
WNylander
Even though WNylander would be the best player in this trade proposal, when you add Engvall it evens it up as Dvorak (Marner's linemate in JR) and Garland might not have the same talent as WNylander, but both are Top 6 players where Engvall is a bottom 6.
Thoughts ?
1.) 03 Jul 2021 23:20:26
I’d do it.
2.) 04 Jul 2021 02:08:04
So I would say Nylander is the more proven player over Garland and is signed to a good deal so he may have more value for that reason, but I don’t think that value makes up the difference between Engvall and Dvorak. Leafs may need to add a bit such as a 2nd round pick to get Arizona to go for it. However I still don’t think the Leafs will be moving Nylander any time soon.
3.) 04 Jul 2021 06:02:30
Solid trade for both. It would be awesome to see Dvorak and Marner reunite.
28 Jun 2021 14:00:51
Thought out a huge 3 Team Proposal that isn't bias and would help all 3 Teams in the big picture, again would probably never happen because of so many players involved but for fun this would be the biggest trade ever if it happened, here it is.
Arizona Trades
Crouse (Tor)
Dvorak (Tor)
Kessel (Cgy)
Garland (Tor)
Calgary Trades
MTkachuk (Tor)
Monahan (Arz)
RAndersson (Tor)
1st Round Pick 2021 (Arz)
3rd Round Pick 2021 (Arz)
Toronto Trades
Matthews (Cgy)
WNylander (Arz)
Engvall (Arz)
Trade Breakdown.
Arizona
Dvorak/Kessel/Garland/Crouse
-Monahan/WNylander/Engvall/
1st Round Pick 2021/2nd Round Pick 2021
Calgary
MTkachuk/Monahan/RAndersson/
1st Round Pick 2021/3rd Round Pick 2021
-Matthews/Kessel
Toronto
Matthews/WNylander/Engvall
-MTkachuk/Dvorak/Garland/Crouse/
RAndersson
Thoughts ?
1.) 28 Jun 2021 15:09:31
I think Tkachuk is either being overvalued here or Mathews is being undervalued. Buddy has like 2 points in 20 playoff games or something like that.
2.) 28 Jun 2021 15:43:05
Honestly good work on the values; it’s pretty close.
I just don’t see it being realistic:
-You don’t trade Top 5 players in the league (Matthews) for any offer
-Calgary gives up 3 solid players to fill one roster space. I don’t see Kessel really playing a factor. If they were add say Hall and A strong D through Free agency then sure they do it.
Arizona prolly does it tho.
3.) 28 Jun 2021 16:31:06
Huge no from Calgary.
Kessel is overpaid and lazy. With that contract he has negative value in a trade. He's UFA in a year anyhow.
No way Calgary gives up all that for Matthews alone far less take on Kessel too.
News flash people, Calgary is not rebuilding, nor will they be trading their best players away just to help other teams out. Tkachuk is not being shopped. If you want Tkachuk, Lindholm or Andersson it's going to cost a lot more than you think it will.
4.) 28 Jun 2021 20:42:28
MoxNix I never seen you make one good take man Kessel has positive value he has 1 year left and is clutch in the playoffs. He’ll get a 1st at deadline with 50% retained. I’d love him on the leafs to play 3rd line.
5.) 28 Jun 2021 20:47:51
Thats a whole bunch of thinking Pinball. I don't think your values are off to much., maybe Calgary loses to much depth,
However, I think its just way to much. way to complicated., I can't see anything like this ever working.
6.) 28 Jun 2021 21:01:12
@Moxnix that’s exactly what I said lol. Even though Calgary gets the best player, you don’t give up 3 roster guys to fill one. They would have to replace Tkachuk and Andersson, which I don’t see as realistic.
7.) 28 Jun 2021 22:58:48
Brutal.
8.) 28 Jun 2021 23:09:20
While I am not really sure on the values here because of all the players involved. So it’s one to dig through and lots of moving pieces.
That being said is I’m surprised through all this, no one’s questioning how Matthews ends up in Calgary instead of going home to Arizona in this deal?
Just a fun nuance to share.
9.) 30 Jun 2021 15:51:09
Ethan bear trade made me smile.
10.) 30 Jun 2021 16:57:06
Brutal. Calgary hangs up and reports as scammers.
11.) 13 Jul 2021 17:17:03
Your trade ideas continue to get even less realistic.
27 Jun 2021 12:15:56
Rangers Trade
Lafreniere
4th Round Pick 2021
Leafs Trade
Rielly
Engvall
Abruzzese (ECAC)
2nd Round Pick 2021
Drury as GM and new to a lot will see the established player in Rielly as something he would do to improve the team right away, Engvall is a useful checking Winger and Abruzzese from the New York area is a sure fit in this proposal.
Toronto does 2 things, clears up Cap as well as gets a Top 4 LW that has a ton of potential that was a 1st Overall Pick in 2020.
Thoughts ?
1.) 27 Jun 2021 13:17:19
Big no from NYR.
2.) 27 Jun 2021 14:12:56
Rumour is they won’t move Laf for Eichel, so they definitely wouldn’t move him for Rielly.
3.) 27 Jun 2021 17:01:57
Never Happen. The Rangers aren't going to trade their best young player for a guy who's going to be a UFA in a year and the rest of that package isn't worth much.
Engvall isn't worth much and Abruzzese is a little guy. The Rangers are looking to get bigger and tougher after the incident with Tom Wilson and the Capitals. Those two have no value to the Rangers.
Toronto would have to add a lot more than a 2nd round pick to get Lafreniere. Probably have to take a contract back too.
4.) 27 Jun 2021 17:13:54
Big no from the leafs after his first season I don’t see anything special about the kid.
5.) 28 Jun 2021 22:12:17
Pinball, your trades are ridiculous. I've never seen ONE come close to making any kind of sense.
6.) 29 Jun 2021 21:54:48
Hockeyfan. your going to judge a number 1 pick by his 1st year.? Also, did you notice his last 15 games? Kid really came on. He will be a big time player in this league, a future perennial 1st/ 2nd Team end of season Allstar and Potential Hart candidate in time.
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08 Apr 2021 12:48:24
2 Trade Proposals for The Leafs.
First Trade.
Buffalo Trades
THall (50% of Contract Retained)
Toronto Trades
Barabanov
1st Round Pick 2021
Second Trade.
Detroit Trades
Bernier (50% of Contract Retained)
Toronto Trades
FAndersen
4th Round Pick 2021
The Leafs wouldn't have to trade Kerfoot or any other player on the current roster besides an injured FAndersen and replacing him with a healthy Bernier and saving 3.5m in Cap keeps Kerfoot on the Team only making them deeper with quality depth.
The Trades for UFAs have been established and this is very similar to what The Islanders and Devils did last night.
Thoughts ?
04 Apr 2021 21:33:42
Devils Trade
Palmieri (50% of Contract Retained)
Toronto Trades
Simmonds
2nd Round Pick 2021
Leafs are just under the cap limit so it works Cap Wise in this trade proposal.
Thoughts ?
1.) 05 Apr 2021 20:11:28
He’s the only guy that can fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Do you want them to get bullied in the playoffs and throw their skirts on? Or would you rather the other team know there are consequences for their actions.
2.) 06 Apr 2021 23:05:24
Agree with Toronto17. one thing Leafs have lacked the past couple of years is gritty hard nosed players. so Pinball, why would you want to trade away one of the grittier in your face types, the league has to offer? He may not score the way he once did. but he's still an important player. Leafs have enough guys to put the puck in the net. need to keep the grit. And. he still can score .
3.) 07 Apr 2021 04:52:15
If this is all Palmeri can get the devils will keep him .
11 Jul 2020 15:34:12
A Proposal that I don't see happening but if it did would either Team be even interested in doing it ?
Edmonton Traded
McDavid
Toronto Trades
Matthews
Kapanen
Dermott
Thoughts ?
1.) 11 Jul 2020 17:54:42
The Oilers would never do this trade.
2.) 11 Jul 2020 19:49:21
One team would take it and run and the other wouldn't give the deal any consideration at all. See if you can put aside your heavy bias for one minute Pinball and figure out which is which.
3.) 11 Jul 2020 22:55:38
replace kap with freddie and a couple firsts and the oil don't hang up immediately.
4.) 12 Jul 2020 01:38:50
Mackinnon at 6.3 million>>>McDavid with the flat cap.
McDavid isn’t a top 5 most valuable player in the NHL anymore imo but mathews certainly isn’t either.
5.) 14 Jul 2020 01:05:15
McDavid for Matthews, Marner, Rielly and a 1st.
6.) 14 Jul 2020 17:10:33
@EP40 I hope that’s a troll.
Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes and Horvat for McDavid.
7.) 17 Jul 2020 03:24:45
Matthews and Reilly is fair value, but the leafs would still have to add Kapanen To get it done.
18 Jul 2019 11:22:48
Leafs sign Marleau for 700k which they can as Carolina bought him out not Toronto.
Marleau slaps out Marner and makes him sign a 8yr Deal at 8.5m a year and everything is solved in Leaf Land.
Thoughts ?
1.) 18 Jul 2019 14:57:10
Someone would probably have to slap him pretty hard to get him to sign that deal.
2.) 18 Jul 2019 16:37:49
pretty sure I had read that the Leafs offered him 8 years x $10 mln already, so yah he's not signing that
He wants to sign a shorter team deal so he can hit paydirt again in 5 years or whatever.
3.) 19 Jul 2019 01:49:38
Get Ariana Grande to get him on the Igor then maybe he’ll sign it.
4.) 20 Jul 2019 19:46:59
I was in a taxi line in Vegas two days ago behind Marluea and his wife. Super nice guy, talked for 6/ 7 minutes. Shook our hands twice. I asked him if he’s going back to SJ, if they want him back or not and he kinda laughed and got an unsure type answer. I asked if Mitchy boy is going to sign soon, if they are watching some of the other RFAs or not and he says he thinks everyone is waiting for Mitch.
Super nice guy, I wish I had of asked if Mathews wanted a 5 year deal to be UFA sooner to go back home to AZ sooner or not. Wish I got his reaction to that. Haha. Super nice guy, he and his wife.
5.) 20 Jul 2019 19:58:58
His wife is a super nice guy? lol.
6.) 20 Jul 2019 20:04:40
I can’t believe you shook his hand, twice. Cool story bro, lol. How’s Lesnar doing?
09 Aug 2018 20:14:33
Calgary Trades
Lazar
Toronto Trades
Leivo
More of a depth trade proposal but Leivo will play in Calgary and Lazar gives the Centre/RWing depth option for the Leafs 4th Line.
Thoughts ?
1.) 10 Aug 2018 02:33:40
Lazar as the 4th c wouldn’t be bad.
2.) 10 Aug 2018 19:14:49
I’d rather see them trade Leivo where he can get a good opportunity, because he’s been nothing but a loyal guy and a true professional when it couldn’t have been easy. But I’d rather just get a pick, like a 3rd or 4th than another guy to put in the same position.
I figure in the next few years, leafs will be trading quite a few 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks as they try to make deep playoff runs. Why not try to acquire a cpl extras when we can?!
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08 Jul 2021 22:50:24
A third team or a buyout is the only way that can happen if I am not mistaken.
20 Jun 2021 21:21:45
MoxNix
Jones has basically said he isn't resigning, Columbus doesn't have any leverage knowing that and getting Rielly would be an upgrade knowing they don't have to worry about what to do with Jones.
So no Jones in this situation isn't better than Rielly.
20 Jun 2021 16:30:14
#Nylander
Yes you're right The Leafs can just sign him when he becomes a UFA, but when Carolina announced that they have given permission for DHamilton talk to other Teams, that means that if a Team agrees on a Contract for DHamilton there will be a sign and trade deal and he won't be out there as a UFA.
The only reason Carolina is doing this is because they know DHamilton isn't resigning with The Hurricanes and instead of getting nothing for him they at least get a player back in this proposal it's SJones.
On the ice each Team does what it can to beat it's opponent, but the business side of it GMs do look to improve yes but also look to help each other out, just like the NFoligno situation as SJ jumped in as a third team and took a portion of NFoligno's contract so The Leafs had the Cap Space to add him.
24 May 2021 22:57:33
To get McDavid if that was even on the table Ottawa would have to start with probably Brady Tkachuk, Stutzle and Norris to start plus high draft picks and a Contract like Daydonov imo.
23 May 2021 15:47:16
Calgary won't have the Cap Space.
Everyone needs to look at Cap before thinking of a trade idea.
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