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07 Dec 2022 14:54:00
Chicago Trades

Toronto Trades
2nd Round Pick 2024

Hawks rebuilding and really Domi isn't going to get them any more than a proposal like I posted.
Tie's Son comes home and is an improvement over Kerfoot.

Thoughts ?


1.) 07 Dec 2022 18:30:42
I wholeheartedly agree Pinball. wow!

Domi's season on an expiring 3M deal is absolutely worth a 2nd. He'll bring a 2nd at the deadline or a comparable prospect, so you absolutely nailed this one.



05 Dec 2022 22:15:54
Toronto Trades
Niemela (SHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

Vancouver Trades

Thoughts ?


1.) 06 Dec 2022 01:07:21
I think the Canucks would have to add their 2023 1st.

2.) 06 Dec 2022 02:08:50
OMG that’s bad…I’d love to read your file Pinball to get a better understanding of what you’re dealing with. This is probably the most delusional post you’ve ever posted. Wow!

3.) 06 Dec 2022 13:27:18
Vancouver is looking to shake things up and Toronto is looking to win it all this year.
Horvat, LSchenn, Kerfoot and Holl are all UFAs after this season, so with guarantee players in this transaction after this season is Boeser for WNylander, Niemala and a 1st Rounder.
Vancouver wins the trade after this season by far, so because this is a trade for this season and next my proposal I believe is very fair.
That's my explanation.

4.) 06 Dec 2022 15:25:43
Nylander >> Boeser
Kerfoot, Niemela, 1st = Horvat (this is around the price year after year for top UFA’s. It might get beaten by another team but it’s in the ball park)

5.) 06 Dec 2022 15:55:58
Your first sentence is 100% correct: VCR needs to rebuild/ reshuffle, and your leafs are in "go for it" mode.

Everything after that is written from a leaf needs/ wants perspective, and I fully appreciate that you're too far gone to even consider something other than the leaf point of view.

Your trade value for Horvat & Boeser is HORRIBLY undervalued, and that yard sale you're offering is way OVER-valued. This is typical of all your proposals, and the comments reflect that. You may not see it, but obviously most here do.

On the topic of Niemela, who is a common inclusion of leaf fans, because leaf TV (Sportsnet & TSN) have talked him up. They talk EVERY leaf prospect or player up, but considering they share a 90% ownership stake in MLSE, maybe you should take their daily leaf hype with a grain of salt.

Niemela is a 20 year-old, undersized D, who will likely never play in the NHL. If he does it will be because he brings something to overcome his "generously listed" 160-pound frame. He doesn't have unbelievable stats in his playing history, and as a 3rd round pick, he has roughly a 54% chance of making the NHL. As an undersized player his chances are even less unless he shows something more than he has so far.

There are prospects, and there are top-end prospects. Niemela might be coveted amongst the leaf fan base, but that's more by default since your team tends to trade most of your picks to fix roster construction flaws.

In short, Niemela is NOT an important piece in any trade proposal, and if both Boeser & Horvat are traded, it will be for better packages than this.

6.) 07 Dec 2022 00:54:02
Chickenfoot vs the world. Boeser has very little value. As Reindrag will tell you ( Canucks fan ) he is extremely slow and is a black hole outside of the ozone. ( Nylander is elite in 2 of the 3 zones ) . Horvat is a UFA and Schenn who has been playing really well should get a 2nd.

I wouldn’t move Nylander for that straight up because of what I mentioned with Boeser I just don’t think he is worth his cap hit to the leafs. Also the Canucks should target younger pieces then Nylander. Outside of the Pettersson connection he isn’t a great fit age wise imo.

7.) 07 Dec 2022 10:04:46
“Chickenfoot vs the world”?

Man…this is a fan site where people exchange sports opinions. ? Sounds like you might need a little break and perhaps a good long walk outside. You are hilarious without trying to be?.

8.) 07 Dec 2022 12:54:58
Gonna guess Vancouver is likely on the list of 10 teams Holl wouldn't like to be traded to so that stops this deal in its tracks.

9.) 07 Dec 2022 13:59:58
@ChickenFoot it’s VB, he likes to get hostile for some reason.

10.) 07 Dec 2022 17:56:16
I just mean you’re trying to argue against a Canucks fan saying they need to add a 1st to push your tin foil narrative that every leafs Player has low value. If anyone is angry it is you who reply negatively to every single one of Pinballs posts when you could simply just ignore them and move on.

11.) 07 Dec 2022 18:37:30
CASUAL - absolutely hilarious eh?

A fan comment forum is a lot like leaving your door open all night living on Main Street: you never know who is going to walk in, or what they may be dealing with.

: )

BTW, your Flames look like they're rounding things into shape nicely, and they are undisputably Canada's best shot at bringing the Cup home when Markstrom gets his game back. Good luck the rest of the way man.

12.) 08 Dec 2022 01:53:22
VB…narrative? You’re in too deep pal, it’s hockey fans talking hockey. I’m not sure what kind of mindset you deal with but this is hockey talk…narrative is more of something you see on political shows.

As far as Pinball goes, I disagree with almost every post he’s ever written. If you read above you’ll see you’re wrong about that too. I give kudos where I think it’s due. You suggest “I could have simply moved on rather than replying negatively to his posts”. Well, I could say the same about you, but it just doesn’t bother me what you say. It’s words on a page. I’d have to respect your opinion to be offended by you.

By the way, when you said you watched the prospect 5x more than anyone else on this page, I laughed out loud. I could explain why but it would be lost on you. You are hilarious without trying. You do you…. I guess…and I’m flattered you find me so interesting ?.



03 Dec 2022 15:50:09
Anaheim Trades

Toronto Trades

*Anaheim retains 50% of Klingberg's Contract.

Leafs sacrifice the future trading NRobertson, but Top Teams make trades like this.
Ducks about ready to fold this season add NRobertson for the future in the big picture.

Thoughts ?


1.) 03 Dec 2022 19:48:58
That's pretty awful for Anaheim if you want them to retain and take Holl on as a dump. Toronto needs to add their 1st minimum to that to have a competitive offer.

2.) 03 Dec 2022 19:51:26
Horrible trade for the Ducks.



02 Dec 2022 12:27:00
Philadelphia Trades
Ellis (LTIR)

Toronto Trades
Muzzin (LTIR)

This is a type of Trade that helps both Teams for different reasons.
Muzzin might play this season, and because of that The Leafs can't go out and add to the cap until they know 100% he isn't playing this season.
Ellis isn't playing this season so he can be buried in LTIR for the rest of this season, if he plays again in the future that's a bonus for Toronto, if not they will keep him in LTIR.
Flyers get rid of Ellis's long term contract and can focus on rebuilding their team.

Thoughts ?


1.) 02 Dec 2022 13:00:22
no point. why wouldn't Philly just keep him for their own use?

2.) 02 Dec 2022 16:14:41
I don’t thing anyone is expecting poor Muzz to play again, sadly.

3.) 02 Dec 2022 17:54:35
The ltir capspace will help the Leafs, so it has to be a good trade.
Why else would he post anything other than something that helps the Leafs.
Now if he added a pick going to the Flyers, that might be reasonable.

4.) 05 Dec 2022 13:00:22
BOTH players are dealing with career-threatening injuries, and are on LTIR.

They're on Robidas Island and left no forwarding address.

This seems like a move for the sake of making a move. Why bother with a transaction of players who likely will never play? Sketchy PR move too.



26 Nov 2022 03:24:20
Minnesota Trades

Toronto Trades
1st Round Pick 2023

*Minnesota retains 50% of remaining Contract(s)

Leafs add both a Top 6 Winger, as well as a Top RHanded shooting Defenceman.

Wild improve getting Kallgren for Goaltending depth plus a 1st Round Pick.

Thoughts ?


1.) 26 Nov 2022 15:32:37
not sure why the wild would make this deal. kerfoot has some value but no more then a third line player, simmonds and holl have no value at all simmonds was on waivers not to long ago and kallgren is a 3rd string goalie with potential but as back up at the nhl level. the first round pick will most likely be a mid/ late first. while the wild in your words give up a top 6 forward and a top 4 dman and on top of that the wild eat 50 % of salary. pretty sure the wild turn this down.

2.) 28 Nov 2022 11:30:06
wild loses out on this big time.




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18 Mar 2022 19:12:42
Toronto Trades
Hirvonen (SML)
1st Round Pick 2022
2nd Round Pick 2023

Vancouver Trades

Both Toronto and Vancouver basically said respectfully that WNylander and/or JTMiller wouldn't be traded from their respected teams, and I know it probably won't happen, but if both Teams would be willing I believe this would be great trade for both Teams imo, plus it would be the biggest deadline trade in NHL history.

Thoughts ?




08 Apr 2021 12:48:24
2 Trade Proposals for The Leafs.

First Trade.

Buffalo Trades
THall (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
1st Round Pick 2021

Second Trade.

Detroit Trades
Bernier (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
4th Round Pick 2021

The Leafs wouldn't have to trade Kerfoot or any other player on the current roster besides an injured FAndersen and replacing him with a healthy Bernier and saving 3.5m in Cap keeps Kerfoot on the Team only making them deeper with quality depth.

The Trades for UFAs have been established and this is very similar to what The Islanders and Devils did last night.

Thoughts ?




04 Apr 2021 21:33:42
Devils Trade
Palmieri (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
2nd Round Pick 2021

Leafs are just under the cap limit so it works Cap Wise in this trade proposal.

Thoughts ?


1.) 05 Apr 2021 20:11:28
He’s the only guy that can fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Do you want them to get bullied in the playoffs and throw their skirts on? Or would you rather the other team know there are consequences for their actions.

2.) 06 Apr 2021 23:05:24
Agree with Toronto17. one thing Leafs have lacked the past couple of years is gritty hard nosed players. so Pinball, why would you want to trade away one of the grittier in your face types, the league has to offer? He may not score the way he once did. but he's still an important player. Leafs have enough guys to put the puck in the net. need to keep the grit. And. he still can score .

3.) 07 Apr 2021 04:52:15
If this is all Palmeri can get the devils will keep him .



11 Jul 2020 15:34:12
A Proposal that I don't see happening but if it did would either Team be even interested in doing it ?

Edmonton Traded

Toronto Trades

Thoughts ?


1.) 11 Jul 2020 17:54:42
The Oilers would never do this trade.

2.) 11 Jul 2020 19:49:21
One team would take it and run and the other wouldn't give the deal any consideration at all. See if you can put aside your heavy bias for one minute Pinball and figure out which is which.

3.) 11 Jul 2020 22:55:38
replace kap with freddie and a couple firsts and the oil don't hang up immediately.

4.) 12 Jul 2020 01:38:50
Mackinnon at 6.3 million>>>McDavid with the flat cap.

McDavid isn’t a top 5 most valuable player in the NHL anymore imo but mathews certainly isn’t either.

5.) 14 Jul 2020 01:05:15
McDavid for Matthews, Marner, Rielly and a 1st.

6.) 14 Jul 2020 17:10:33
@EP40 I hope that’s a troll.

Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes and Horvat for McDavid.

7.) 17 Jul 2020 03:24:45
Matthews and Reilly is fair value, but the leafs would still have to add Kapanen To get it done.



18 Jul 2019 11:22:48
Leafs sign Marleau for 700k which they can as Carolina bought him out not Toronto.
Marleau slaps out Marner and makes him sign a 8yr Deal at 8.5m a year and everything is solved in Leaf Land.

Thoughts ?


1.) 18 Jul 2019 14:57:10
Someone would probably have to slap him pretty hard to get him to sign that deal.

2.) 18 Jul 2019 16:37:49
pretty sure I had read that the Leafs offered him 8 years x $10 mln already, so yah he's not signing that

He wants to sign a shorter team deal so he can hit paydirt again in 5 years or whatever.

3.) 19 Jul 2019 01:49:38
Get Ariana Grande to get him on the Igor then maybe he’ll sign it.

4.) 20 Jul 2019 19:46:59
I was in a taxi line in Vegas two days ago behind Marluea and his wife. Super nice guy, talked for 6/ 7 minutes. Shook our hands twice. I asked him if he’s going back to SJ, if they want him back or not and he kinda laughed and got an unsure type answer. I asked if Mitchy boy is going to sign soon, if they are watching some of the other RFAs or not and he says he thinks everyone is waiting for Mitch.
Super nice guy, I wish I had of asked if Mathews wanted a 5 year deal to be UFA sooner to go back home to AZ sooner or not. Wish I got his reaction to that. Haha. Super nice guy, he and his wife.

5.) 20 Jul 2019 19:58:58
His wife is a super nice guy? lol.

6.) 20 Jul 2019 20:04:40
I can’t believe you shook his hand, twice. Cool story bro, lol. How’s Lesnar doing?




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06 Dec 2022 13:27:18
Vancouver is looking to shake things up and Toronto is looking to win it all this year.
Horvat, LSchenn, Kerfoot and Holl are all UFAs after this season, so with guarantee players in this transaction after this season is Boeser for WNylander, Niemala and a 1st Rounder.
Vancouver wins the trade after this season by far, so because this is a trade for this season and next my proposal I believe is very fair.
That's my explanation.




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17 Nov 2022 03:03:58
Joey Anderson is a RW not a Goaltender.




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14 Sep 2022 22:03:11
So no Team wants Sandin and Knies because they are unsigned?
They both will sign whatever NHL Team owns there rights.
Oh by the way Meier is a RFA just like Sandin after this upcoming season.
Just admit you're a Leaf hater because the devaluing of Kerfoot, Sandin and Knies shows that, let me guess no Team wants a 1st Round Pick either?
Again Fiala and Meier are very comparable and what did Minnesota get from The Kings in that Trade?
My proposal offers much more than Minny got.




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12 Sep 2022 23:50:48
Reading what you posted you described one player in the proposal from The Leafs, that would be Muzzin and even saying that He is still a good Defenceman as long as he stays healthy.
The other 3 players don't fit over the hill, injury prone, over paid and under achieving at all.
Now if Sandin is exchanged in this proposal I actually could see Arizona being interested, but the Muzzin contract is still a problem unless he truly is done and can be put on LTIR imo.




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01 Sep 2022 21:02:27
Completely disagree with you and time will prove me right.





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