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08 Jul 2024 19:45:35
SJ Trades
Future Considerations

Toronto Trades
Kampf*
NRobertson (RFA)

*Kampf will have to waive his NTC to complete the transaction.



With Cap being an issue with Toronto Kampf imo is the one that has to go, you have to add NRobertson for The Sharks to take on Kampf's remaining 3 years.



Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 08 Jul 2024 21:48:23
What cap issue? The leafs can run a 22 man roster and be under the cap. Just can’t run 23 players.


2.) 08 Jul 2024 22:10:44
Not enough from the leafs. Thoughts, my senators had to shed a 3rd to send joseph packing. 27 year old joseph, a 35 point man with a Stanley cup ring and 2 years left at 2.9
Kampf at 29 years old, a 19 point man with 3 years left at 2.5 would need something other than a disgruntled RFA forward who requested a trade. The sharks would want better compensation for taking on a contract that the leafs had no problems giving out to the guy just one year ago.


3.) 09 Jul 2024 02:50:06
Facelift39
NRobertson to start had only 8 points less in 16 fewer games, why are you focused on Kampf only? NRobertson is the prize for SJ and better than Joseph hands down as well as 5 years younger.
Prime example of focusing on one player when it comes to Leaf proposals.
Why would SJ want a 22 year old winger who is only getting better in your thinking.
Plus Joseph makes more than Kampf not a lot more but more regardless.
SJ isn't giving up anything for 2 NHL Players with NRobertson in the Top 6 on SJ.


4.) 09 Jul 2024 02:52:09
Vbb
Incorrect as DeWar isn't signed yet and they don't have enough Cap for DeWar.


5.) 09 Jul 2024 05:44:57
Right well that’s depends on how much he signs for. The obvious choice to go is Timmons.


6.) 09 Jul 2024 11:41:05
Detroit had to give San Jose a 2nd round pick to dump Walmans $3.4m contract.

Robertson has no trade value, in your own proposals you've gone from using Robertson as the main piece of trades to try and get Zegras, Chychrun and many others.

Now you're saying he's a throwaway to dump Kampfs contract. Figure it out pinball. Add a 2nd round draft pick and stop being such a crybaby when people give you a reality check on how these cap dump trades work.


7.) 09 Jul 2024 18:25:12
Robertson, a 2-way player with 27 points and 5 seasons under his belt does not hold the value you are suggesting. an NHL top 6? ? ? ?.


8.) 09 Jul 2024 18:50:20
DRW. thanks for bringing some hockey sense to this thread once again. YEESH! Yep, SJ is going to take on bad leaf contracts for absolutely nothing (aka "future considerations". )


9.) 10 Jul 2024 04:26:27
Chickenfoot
didn't Dallas just trade Faska to The Blues for future considerations and didn't have to add anything?
You going to tell me Faska and Kampf aren't comparable?
Oh right only if Faska was a Leaf then no team will take on that contract.
You do realize your bias is obvious right?
I don't mind people disagreeing with me that's part of the site, but accept mine when you get it back without insults, unless you are an adolescent and have obvious growing up to do, your responses are usually very immature.


10.) 12 Jul 2024 03:01:17
PINBALl…absolutely hilarious. (and without even trying. )

- you ask me to accept your feedback, and reply without insults.

- then you insult by saying, AND I QUOTE: “unless you are an adolescent and have obvious growing up to do, your responses are usually very immature”.

You just can’t make this stuff up, so I think I’ll let your words say it all. WELL PLAYED! YOU’RE DOING GREAT??.


11.) 12 Jul 2024 19:58:00
Chickenfoot
That was my sarcasm at the end.
I said it because I knew you would point it out lol.


 

 

06 Jul 2024 16:12:39
Detroit Trades
Rasmussen

SJ Trades
Granland


Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 06 Jul 2024 18:35:43
I doubt Detroit has any interest in Granland, and do seem to like Rasmussen. Zero chance this happens.


2.) 06 Jul 2024 19:53:20
lago
With Detroit having resigned Patrick Kane and signing Tarasenko at RW, and Raymond and DeBrincat on LW, they have a great top 6 at Wing but besides Larkin they need a second line Centre, Granlund would fit perfectly on the top 6 as for Rasmussen Detroit has Copp, Motte, Compher that fill the same type of player, I have to disagree with you about Detroit not wanting Granlund.


3.) 06 Jul 2024 21:54:03
Granland is not an upgrade at #2C over Compher. Nope, no thank you.


4.) 06 Jul 2024 22:05:06
lago
Granland adds to the top 6 and Compher drops to the 3rd line with Copp making Detroit better overall, my proposal keeps Compher on Detroit not trading him away.


5.) 07 Jul 2024 03:15:40
Rasmussen is a 25 year old drafted and developed 6 foot 6 top 9 forward whose signed for 3 more years after this for a $3.2m aav.

He's significantly better for his role compared to 32 year old Granlund, a $5m pending UFA playing on his 3rd NHL team in the last 2 years.


6.) 07 Jul 2024 03:20:19
I'll take Rasmussen over Granland every day and twice on Sunday. Don't want Granland, don't need Granland, he adds zero to the Red Wings.


7.) 07 Jul 2024 04:32:53
lago
So Detroit doesn't want almost a point a game Centre in Granlund?
Detroit has plenty of prospects the reason Kane and Tarasenko were signed because The Red Wings are ready to take the next step, is Detroit better this upcoming season with Rasmussen or Granland?
That's actually an easy answer.


8.) 07 Jul 2024 13:29:15
Yes, it is.

Rasmussen - 25 years old, 6'6", 220lb, Cap hit $3.2M
Detroits most physical forward

Granland - 32 years old, 5'10", 185lb, Cap hit $5M
No upgrade over Compher, pushes Detroit
over the salary Cap after Seider, Raymond,
Veleno and Bergrren are signed, causing the
need for another salary dump.

No thank you. But I will propose this - To Detroit, Granland,
$2M retained, to SJ, Husso, no retention.


9.) 08 Jul 2024 14:43:53
You're way out of your depth pretending to know anything about the Red Wings pinball.

If Granlund is so good maybe you should offer Liljegren and Robertson for him to the Leafs. :)


 

 

06 Jul 2024 14:31:38
Carolina Trades
Necas

Winnipeg Trades
Ehlers


Makes sense to me for both teams.


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Pinballisback

1.) 06 Jul 2024 14:57:19
I don't think Chevy will use his best trade chip for two years of a player that is a lateral move and will be more expensive than Ehlers next year.


2.) 06 Jul 2024 15:49:44
I think WPG would have to add. But I also think Necas next contract would be higher than Ehlers. So as a financial standpoint, I think WPG would decline.
Even tho it would be nice addition for WPG.


 

 

03 Jul 2024 15:37:28
I have a proposal that involves 4 teams combined here it is.

Anaheim Trades
Vatrano (Columbus)

Chicago Trades
SJones (Columbus)
1st Round Pick 2025 (Anaheim)

Columbus Trades
Laine (Chicago)
Jenner (Toronto)

Toronto Trades
NRobertson (Anaheim)
Kampf (Anaheim)
Liljegren (Chicago)


This is an everything type trade as it's a hockey trade, a cap trade, and a player requesting a trade proposal.


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Pinballisback

1.) 03 Jul 2024 15:54:00
Name 1 time in the history of the NHL that you've seen 4 NHL teams involved in a trade at the same time.

Go ahead, I'll wait.


2.) 03 Jul 2024 15:56:33
Liljegren literally signed an extension with Toronto 4 days ago, I think if you're willing to trade him less than a week into his new contract you're just exposing your lack of loyalty to players that committed to the Leafs.

You give Treliving a lot of credit for being a smart GM so tell me why you think he would do something like this and demonstrate to every player in the NHL that if you sign with Toronto you're risking being traded elsewhere as fast as you can sign the contract?

Oh I almost forgot you're just going to continue giving me the silent treatment because you cant defend your trades and you hate getting bad feedback.


3.) 03 Jul 2024 15:58:58
Columbus loses Jenner? gets Jones and Vartan? I would pass.


4.) 03 Jul 2024 16:31:24
balsam8
They signed Monahan and are stacked at Centre is why The Jackets would do this, they add a Top 6 winger, a Top 2 defender in SJones and give up Jenner and Laine who wants out?
Why would they pass that up?


5.) 03 Jul 2024 17:25:40
Columbus is stacked at RD too with Severson, Jiricek and Gudbranson lol. They just bought out the best player they got back in the Jones trade because they're giving Jiricek more NHL ice time.

I'm still waiting to hear 1 example of a time in NHL history where 4 teams were involved in the same trade. Take your time no rush. I know you've probably got to sign in to a few burner accounts first to get your believable count up.


6.) 03 Jul 2024 21:05:31
NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HAPPENING. LOL.


7.) 04 Jul 2024 00:00:51
Nashan
You make a comment like that without reason only LOL?
So let's break it down for you.

Anaheim trades Vatrano on an expiring contract for NRobertson, Kampf and Chicago's 1st Round Pick 2025 and remember Anaheim is in a rebuild.

Chicago trades SJones and their 1st Round Pick 2025 for Laine and Liljegren, yes Chicago like Anaheim is in a rebuild but with what they have done so far they want to quicken that process obviously, adding a Top 6 winger in Laine and a younger Defender isn't bad for them either.

Columbus trades Jenner and Laine and get Vatrano and SJones, a pretty fair trade for them also adding a Top 2 Defenceman as well as a sparkplug like Vatrano to what they have upfront, remember Laine is done in Columbus so to get max value is next to impossible.

Finally Toronto trades NRobertson who also has asked for a trade, Kampf who is a solid 4th liner except for only his cap hit and Liljegren, yes they just signed him but that doesn't mean they won't trade him if need be for Jenner who will help huge in replacing Bertuzzi.


So tell me why this proposal whether it happens or not doesn't make sense for any of the teams involved?


8.) 04 Jul 2024 01:28:38
Pinball why do the Leafs always give up spare parts and get the best players back in all your trades?


9.) 04 Jul 2024 17:09:53
Island I can tell you right now.

Pinballs answer is going to be something like "only YOU think those players are spare parts. If this trade was made by anyone else it would get overwhelming praise but because it's me you all disagreed with it. "


10.) 04 Jul 2024 18:43:42
Jones isn’t going back to Columbus
Chicago rebuilding as well so they aren’t giving up first rounder
You need to stop justifying in leafs favor.


 

 

02 Jul 2024 14:45:54
Anaheim Trades
Vatrano

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Kampf*
Liljegren

*Kampf will have to waive his NTC to complete the transaction.


Anaheim in full rebuild and adding lots of great young promising players add 2 more in this proposal, yes we all know Kampf is a Cap dump for The Leafs but Anaheim has a ton of Cap to take that hit, and Kampf's only problem is his Salary for a team like Toronto not Anaheim as Kampf is still a full time player not a depth center.

Leafs with what they did in Free Agency adding huge on Defense and Goaltending had to sacrifice not being able to sign Bertuzzi, Vatrano on an expiring contract will be what they lost in Bertuzzi in the Top 6 and Treliving will be both needing some Cap relief and get one more player for the top 6.



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Pinballisback

1.) 02 Jul 2024 16:04:24
Still same players for everyone in league. Lol.


2.) 02 Jul 2024 16:48:03
Nashan
You really don't think Anaheim gets the best in this proposal long term?
They are trading a 30 year old Winger on an expiring contract for 3 players 2 of them more long term upside then Vatrano.
Are you forgetting that The Ducks are in a rebuild and rebuilding teams always look to keep the rebuild going forward and trade older assets for the future?
When Toronto years ago had Kessel what did they do to start a rebuild?
Anaheim is no different in their situation, The Leafs do it because they are in a win now window plus need Cap relief.
You can disagree with me which is up to you but honestly this proposal will help both teams, and it's not one sided imo as you are probably thinking.


3.) 02 Jul 2024 17:24:40
Vatrano gels with the locker room. He's not likely to replicate his shooting % from last year or goal production, but you can look to Vatrano for at least 40-60 points in the Ducks top 6.

And if/ when Anaheim is ready to shop Vatrano, they'll garner a lot more interest at the trade deadline.

He's worth more to the Ducks than the yard sale items you're shopping from the Leafs. You'll see whats up when Robertson is traded for at best a 3rd round pick.


4.) 02 Jul 2024 17:28:37
Anaheim takes that in a heartbeat. There still won't be a deal as Toronto just signed Lilly. Be hard pressed to trade him so fast.


5.) 02 Jul 2024 20:02:07
Quiet Guy
Liljegren was a RFA not a UFA so it was more business so other teams in a trade know the exact dollar amount imo.
And Toronto I believe takes that trade in a heartbeat as well for where they are, it's a trade that helps both teams.


6.) 03 Jul 2024 14:56:46
Love the idea of adding Vatrano. Unsure whether or not the Ducks unload him this summer or at the deadline. Lily shouldn't be dealt at this point. Just signed recently and with the news of our newly acquired giant potentially having some uncertainty around his knees we'll need Lily on the right side. And though Kampf is an everyday NHLer he's still a 4th line player on most teams so it's gonna cost us something to unload him. Don't expect us to trade him until end of preseason based on how our younger centers perform and whether or not they can make the jump to full-time NHLer.


 

 

 

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14 Jun 2024 15:53:08
New Jersey Trades
Mercer
Nemec
10th Overall Pick 2024
2nd Round Pick 2025

Toronto Trades
Marner*
Liljegren

*Marner would have to both waive his NMC and do a sign and trade otherwise Marner and NJ say no.


IF Marner agrees to a trade and signing long term with NJ and The Leafs willing to make this bold move, it will definitely change things for both teams.

Mercer is no Marner but a solid Winger, Liljegren is no Nemec either and that's the improvement for Toronto, I see NJ pursuing Guentzel and should have just enough to sign him and have a full roster imo.



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13 Jun 2024 15:35:37
Montreal Trades
Suzuki
Caufield
DSavard
5th Overall Pick 2024
57th Overall Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Marner*
NRobertson
1st Round Pick 2026

*Marner would have to both waive his NTC and do a sign and trade.


Montreal wants Marner this should be the asking price if Marner agrees to going to Montreal.



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Pinballisback

1.) 13 Jun 2024 19:58:48
Not even sure why I am responding to this. bur Pinball, maybe this is why you get so much negative backlash on this site. This is horrible. I might be bias, but this is one of the more rediculous trades I've seen from you.


 

 

28 Feb 2023 21:35:48
What a Leaf Day so far.

Leafs Going
Sandin (Washington)
Engvall (NYIslanders)
3rd Round Pick (Vancouver)

Leafs Incoming
Gustafsson (Washington)
LSchenn (Vancouver)
1st Round Pick 2023 (Boston's Pick)
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYIslanders)

All I can say is my thorn on here Chickenfoot, didn't I say Dubas was going to do big things ?
More to come by THE GENIUS Dubas.

Pinballisback

1.) 01 Mar 2023 12:47:53
In 2 weeks he has brought in O’Rielly, McCabe, Acciari, Lafferty, Schenn, Gustafsson and recovered a 1st rounder…. lost only Sandin, Engvall and Joey Anderson off the NHL roster, has chicago paying 50% of McCabe for 2 more seasons AND actually gained cap space over that period.

I honestly don’t know anyone else that would have or could have done that. If they don’t extend him, where do you go looking for a replacement GM that’s an upgrade? I wouldn’t wanna be the guy who has to find it. And if you don’t keep Dubas around, does Brandon Pridham, their cap expert, stay? Or does he go with Dubas?

I think it’ll be a big mistake to not extend Dubas regardless of what happens in the first round. He’s done his job at an elite level. It’s up to the players to do theirs now.


 

 

18 Mar 2022 19:12:42
Toronto Trades
WNylander
NRobertson
Liljegren
Dermott
Hirvonen (SML)
1st Round Pick 2022
2nd Round Pick 2023

Vancouver Trades
JTMiller
Garland
LSchenn
Hunt

Both Toronto and Vancouver basically said respectfully that WNylander and/or JTMiller wouldn't be traded from their respected teams, and I know it probably won't happen, but if both Teams would be willing I believe this would be great trade for both Teams imo, plus it would be the biggest deadline trade in NHL history.


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08 Apr 2021 12:48:24
2 Trade Proposals for The Leafs.

First Trade.

Buffalo Trades
THall (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
Barabanov
1st Round Pick 2021



Second Trade.

Detroit Trades
Bernier (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
FAndersen
4th Round Pick 2021


The Leafs wouldn't have to trade Kerfoot or any other player on the current roster besides an injured FAndersen and replacing him with a healthy Bernier and saving 3.5m in Cap keeps Kerfoot on the Team only making them deeper with quality depth.

The Trades for UFAs have been established and this is very similar to what The Islanders and Devils did last night.


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12 Jul 2024 19:58:00
Chickenfoot
That was my sarcasm at the end.
I said it because I knew you would point it out lol.

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11 Jul 2024 00:38:13
Nashan
My point is Dionne and Gilbert Perreault never won a Cup.
If you think Marner won't be in The HOF after he retires you are also delusional.
Marner is an elite forward.

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10 Jul 2024 19:56:48
Nashan
So Marcel Dionne and Gilbert Perreault weren't elite players?

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10 Jul 2024 04:26:27
Chickenfoot
didn't Dallas just trade Faska to The Blues for future considerations and didn't have to add anything?
You going to tell me Faska and Kampf aren't comparable?
Oh right only if Faska was a Leaf then no team will take on that contract.
You do realize your bias is obvious right?
I don't mind people disagreeing with me that's part of the site, but accept mine when you get it back without insults, unless you are an adolescent and have obvious growing up to do, your responses are usually very immature.

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09 Jul 2024 23:33:43
Nashan
Who is the elite player in this proposal with Utah and who is just about to hit his prime?
Marner was a Top 5 RWinger in points last season and has consistently been a top ELITE player for more than a few years now.
Why are you making Marner out as an average player constantly?
Truthfully Treliving would want more than that package as Guenther is going to be good but not anywhere in the same class as Marner.

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