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28 Feb 2024 20:14:52
Seattle Trades
6th Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Hildeby (AHL)
Grebyonkin (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

*Kraken retain 50% of Larsson's remaining contract.

Thoughts ?

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29 Feb 2024 01:46:07
- This the same trade you posted yesterday, except you swapped AHL player you included.

- Do you seriously think it makes a difference whether you have Hildeby instead of Abruzzese?

- I don’t think Ronnie Francis looks at this and goes, “wow…Hildeby? We are DEFINITELY doing this deal NOW! ”.

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29 Feb 2024 03:20:54
Seattle an expansion team only a few years ago has no serious prospect depth.
Look at the ages of all the goaltenders at The NHL and AHL level, Hildeby will be a stud goaltender because of Woll he is expendable.
Timmons is out now but will be more a next season defenceman for Seattle, Grebyonkin is a good prospect and adding a 1st Round Pick only helps for the future.
Why do you think a team like Seattle wouldn't want prospect depth?
Larsson is good but this isn't an AllStar they are trading.
We can agree to disagree but Ron Francis knows you build by having prospects and draft picks, minus a few players the entire organization has castoffs from other teams and not very many prospects.
So your logic again makes no sense.

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29 Feb 2024 10:29:18
Don't think you see GMs take a chance on a guy like Grebyonkin until they see what he looks like playing on NA sized ice and how adjust to the different style of play. Obviously the potential is there for him to be an offensive NHLer, but his defensive game needs work and lots of it.

Hidleby has great numbers in the AHL and it is unfortunate Keefe didn't give him a game or two when he was up with us to see how he would fair. If he's going to be a "stud goalie" why are we trading him when goaltending is an area of weakness for us?

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29 Feb 2024 12:31:07
Because Woll is our Goaltender going forward, plus Toronto has Peksa and Akhtyomov as future Goaltender prospects.
Toronto is actually deep with Goaltender prospects so Hildeby is expendable, and Seattle has no serious Goaltending prospects.
That's why for both Teams.

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29 Feb 2024 13:27:43
We would be foolish to put all our eggs in the Woll basket. He's looked good in a small sample size there's no denying that, but until I see him log 40+ games in the season and put up good numbers I'm not willing to say that's our guy. If Hildeby is as good as we are hoping why would you not want to hold onto him and run a tandem of Woll and Hildeby rather than find a stop gap backup year after year? The other two you mentioned are probably 3-4 years away from potentially being able to compete for an NHL job. Seattle has 8 picks this upcoming draft and that's without any trades yet to potentially happen. They can easily grab a couple goalie prospects this draft.

You were onto something when you suggested a guy like Rutta or Brown. And thankfully Tanev didn't go for what I and most others thought he would go for so the odds of it costing a tonne to get a player like that went down. Larsson would be a great add, but Francis doesn't need to move him and can hold onto him till they get the deal they want which I don't think will be this. Rather hold onto our 1st and get another prospect (since we have very few of them) and see where we are at in the summer.

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29 Feb 2024 15:34:05
PINBALL: Thanks for the unintentionally hilarious lesson in how to build a team. that was awesome! It's always notable to be condescended to and insulted by someone with your hockey acumen. You're on fire today Pinball!

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03 Mar 2024 00:32:37
Seattle drafts a goalie in the 2nd round, back in 2022, then pinball claims Seattle has no goalie prospects.
You can't make this stuff up.

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04 Mar 2024 15:50:15
@Renidrag I find it more ironic he's talking about Seattle having no prospect depth when we (the Leafs) don't either lol.

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28 Feb 2024 03:35:58
Cal: tanev, hanifan 50% both. Dal: faska, lundkvist,kyrou, 2 first, 2 3rds. Tanev and hanifan should get a 1st and a young player or prospect, then 3rds for retention. Faska makes money work. Read Dallas has talked about getting both. Anywhere close?

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28 Feb 2024 17:06:50
SHOOTS: wow, that's an aggressive play, and it totally works for both sides! This is a really interesting and realistic one Shoots! Nill is the kind of guy to be quiet for a long time and then pull something major if he finds it. Interesting stuff!

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29 Feb 2024 01:21:16
Maybe 4ths cause faska is a decent player to get back.

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29 Feb 2024 03:06:14
Guess not. 😂.

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29 Feb 2024 03:24:35
Well got Dallas right i guess, kyrou the offensive d, grushnikov the defensive d so was close, 2nd and 3rd with no retention.

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29 Feb 2024 15:35:27
Shoots: it was an excellent proposal, and you were obviously on to something.

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29 Feb 2024 15:50:48
What how does kyrou work into this lmfao.

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01 Mar 2024 11:06:16
REDWING: what’s your question regarding Kyrou’s inclusion?

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27 Feb 2024 23:29:25
Montreal Trades

Toronto Trades
Villeneuve (AHL)
Grebyonkin (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

*Montreal retains 50% of DSavard's remaining contract.

A trade that helps the future for Montreal, The Leafs finally get there RHanded Veteran Defensive Defenceman.

Thoughts ?

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28 Feb 2024 09:57:12
If Savard gets traded it’ll be for a 1st or equivalent plus.

I assume the Russian is there for trolling & fun, and in the spirit if that I appreciate the sense of humour 👍.

Neither prospect moves the needle for me personally, and I fully expect Tampa or someone else will make a much more compelling offer.

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28 Feb 2024 11:59:18
Savard isn't worth a first.

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27 Feb 2024 16:03:37
Montreal trade with nj devils
Devils: holtz
Montréal trade with la
La:Turcotte and 2nd round
Mtl trade with Florida
Mtl :Dvorak and 2nd round
Fla: knight
Mtl trade with Anaheim
Mtl: Harris, Barron ,Winnipeg 1st , mtl 2nd round
Ducks: zegras

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27 Feb 2024 18:11:25
- NJ trade is fair.

- LA trade is close, but I think Savard will bring a 1st + at the deadline.

- The FLA trade doesn't seem like a fit where Dvorak is done for the season. Perhaps it gets revisited as an off-season deal, but personally, as talented as Knight is, his addiction issues are a big red flag for me.

- The ANA trade is fair, but personally I don't like one-dimensional players like Zegras. He's like a Johnny Gaudreau in too many ways, and just doesn't seem like the kind of guy you go to battle with.

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27 Feb 2024 18:27:27
Allen not an improvement for devils. LA has log jam on defence already, not sure they want Savard. Why knight? Seems to much for Zegras. So I’m guessing no on all. 😂.

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27 Feb 2024 23:04:52
Allen is a 33 year old backup goalie

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28 Feb 2024 01:15:23
Log jam on d in la , who? Besides doughty? Savard is an upgrade
Devils: all 3 of their goalies are below 900 save% and are over 3.2 goals per game , Allen has similar number albeit on a bottom 5 nhl team , so imo Allen is an upgrade
Knight might be worth the gamble
And mtl ain’t getting Zegras for much less if not more

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28 Feb 2024 04:05:11
Spence and Clarke are 2 good young RHD but their LHD deepth is another thing.

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28 Feb 2024 17:15:17
Good points on Allen sidekick. I see him as a 1B that could come to a team without spooking a starter. (Goalies always have a more delicate psyche. to say the least. ) Allen is a good, short-term solution for someone. He's playing on a lousy team and his numbers reflect that.

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27 Feb 2024 15:51:36
To Pitt: Norris, Chychrun, 4th round pick (becomes 2nd round if Guentzel signs with OTT)

To Ott: Guentzel, Blomqvist

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28 Feb 2024 02:56:31
This is horrible for Ottawa, why would they even consider this?

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28 Feb 2024 13:29:45
What happened to you in Ottawa?

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27 Feb 2024 14:55:05
Seattle Trades
6th Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Abruzzese (AHL)
Grebyonkin (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

*Kraken retain 50% of Larsson's remaining 2 years of his contract.

This is very similar to the McCabe trade last year,but because Larsson has a bit more value less comes from Seattle and more comes from Toronto in this proposal.

Thoughts ?

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27 Feb 2024 14:18:34

EDM Trades:

- Gagner
- 5th (2025)


- Future Considerations


ANA Trades:

- Henrique (50% retention)


- Holloway
- 2nd ('24)
- 3rd ('24)

- EDM trades Gagner's expiring deal to MTL to free up a little cap space.

- MTL gets a 5th for accommodating EDM.

- ANA gets 2 pieces for pending RFA Henrique, plus a 3rd for retention.

- EDM gets their third line center & depth in the bottom 6.

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27 Feb 2024 16:51:49
@Chickenfoot think you meant UFA for Henrique. Regardless though I think the value is there to land Henrique. What an add that would be for the Oilers too. Holloway doesn't seem to be a part of the Oilers future and if they can add a guy like Henrique for the playoffs I think they will be better for it.

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27 Feb 2024 21:05:45
Holloway will be apart of the Oilers future unless he’s traded for a big piece. The 2nd and 3rd might be enough for Henrique. I think he’s a good target for the Oil.

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27 Feb 2024 21:26:29
MG: you are right that I was wrong😁

I’m not a big fan of the Oilers’ more notable prospects, but a change of scenery going to a less competitive team can be a boost for some. I would be curious to see him get a shot in ANA, and who doesn’t like some California sun this time of year!

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28 Feb 2024 01:02:31
@Ebsolutely you are overvaluing Holloway big time. A great comparison value wise for him is Nic Robertson. Many people, myself included, don't see Robertson as a trade piece that moves the needle much at all for a big piece. And yet he has more goals, assists, and points than Holloway career wise all while playing less games.

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28 Feb 2024 18:23:33
I didn’t even really put a value on Holloway, I could just see a 2nd and 3rd being enough for Henrique. Holloway plays a big fast game that translates easily to a bottom 6 player, but he still has potential to be a top 6 guy. I think Holloway moves the needle quite a bit in a trade today, if he doesn’t prove much by next year then I’ll agree his value will dip a lot.

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27 Feb 2024 11:10:09
Det kasper wallinder 1st 2024

Stl - buchnevich.

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27 Feb 2024 13:39:14
Interesting deal here @redwing1.

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27 Feb 2024 15:44:55
I dont like having Kasper in this trade, I'd rather include Berggren but overall this is a good package.

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27 Feb 2024 15:55:09
Does it work. I think ita truly a fair deal. Top line winger who os ppg and 30 goal scorer and another year left. For former first wallinder which has top 4 potential and 1st 2024.

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28 Feb 2024 02:01:55
Cant believe no one is really disagreeing with me. Very rare everyone thinks its good.

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01 Mar 2024 13:10:09
It's a good trade idea man. Like DrwDave said I think they'd probably rather hold onto Kasper. But it's an aggressive offer and would give them another weapon upfront.

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26 Feb 2024 18:44:31
I have a creative 3 way trade similar to the trade that brought Ryan O'Reilly to The Leafs.

Chicago Trades Gust (AHL) to Washington for Mantha and The Capitals retain 50% of Mantha's expiring contract.

Toronto Trades a 1st Round Pick 2024 and their 2024 3rd Round Pick (NYI Pick) to The Capitals for Gust.

Chicago Trades Mantha with Chicago retaining another 50% of Mantha's expiring contact to The Leafs for NRobertson.

So in the end Washington trades Mantha retaining half his salary and getting a 1st Round Pick and a 3rd Round Pick in 2024 from Toronto.
Chicago gets NRobertson and retaining another 50% of Mantha's contract.
And Toronto gets Mantha and Gust.
With 2 retaining of 50% by both Washington and Chicago yes Toronto can fit Mantha into their cap.

Thoughts ?

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26 Feb 2024 20:32:28
Toronto passes. A 1st, 3rd and Robertson for a 30 year old ahler and Mantha who when healthy is an average hockey player. No thanks.

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26 Feb 2024 15:36:29
Sharks Trade

Leafs Trade
Grebyonkin (KHL)
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)

*SJ retains 50% of Rutta's remaining 2 years of his contract.

Sharks are rebuilding and this is exactly what teams like SJ do.
Toronto is getting a pretty good RHanded Shooting Defenceman that plays a solid defensive game.
So who today is going to spin it that Rutta is the next best Defenceman in the NHL and SJ would never accept a deal like this ?

Thoughts ?

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26 Feb 2024 18:18:34
It's definitely there value wise I think. Once one of the top dmen available for trade get traded it will help to gauge what the ones below will garner in return. Again though I think we should let it ride out this year and regroup in the offseason. See where our prospects/ depth players are at, grab another 1st round prospect this year, and see what FA has to offer. Best case scenario is we stay hot and can carry the play into the playoffs and maybe go on a run.

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26 Feb 2024 18:58:05
- "Grebenkin" is an unsigned draft pick from 2022, so if SJ really wanted him, they or any other NHL team can sign him as a Free Agent this summer when he's no longer your team's property. He has zero value in trade.

- Timmins is out indefinitely with "mono".

- So your trade for Rutta comes down to a 3rd. AND SJ retains for 2 years?

Get real Pinball. stop wasting everyone's time with these ridiculous homer trades of yours. They're getting worse, and that's saying something.

It isn't "spin" when someone disagrees with you Pinball, just like it isn't "leaf bias" when someone disagrees with your one-sided trades.

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26 Feb 2024 20:11:22
Grebyonkin's KHL contract ends after this season not The Leaf rights.
Please at least post facts not what comes out of your own head.
Yes you are spinning this because it's a Leaf trade.

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26 Feb 2024 20:34:54
Rutta is a 5/ 6 dman on most teams. But to retain for 2 years the Leafs would need to add.

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26 Feb 2024 20:35:04
Also Chickenfoot if a player plays in The KHL which Grebyonkin does Toronto's rights are indefinite, other European Leagues its 4 years.
Grebyonkin was drafted in 2022 so even if he wasn't playing in The KHL which he is Toronto would still have 2 years of rights to Grebyonkin.
Again I hope I have educated you so you stop putting your Chickenfoot in your mouth.

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27 Feb 2024 01:26:44
Yah I was pretty positive we owned his rights for at least another year. He is having a pretty good season in the KHL. Take out the retention and I can see SJ being interested. Timmins gives them a younger right shot dman going forward. Not sure if you can trade players who are on the LTIR, SJ would have to see him as someone they can use next season. Grebyonkin is a low risk, mid return player for SJ. From scouting reports I've read he's a bigger body at 6'2 and is primarily a pass first kind of player with pretty good foot speed. SJ is years away from being in the playoff hunt and with Rutta's age he's expendable for SJ.

Everything will come down to what Tanev gets traded for as he's the top RHD that's likely to get traded and will determine what market value is for the players below him.

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27 Feb 2024 04:26:17
PINBALL & MG: you are correct about the KHL transfer agreement. GOOD FOR YOU PINBALL! 👍. (I’ve never seen you own when you’ve been wrong about anything, but I have no issue with it. )

It’s still a ridiculous trade, and the reality of the trade deadline returns will likely come as a shock for you. Generally teams aren’t looking to add guys with mono at the deadline.

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27 Feb 2024 08:57:03
Lol no most teams aren't, but mono isn't forever and the Sharks can afford to wait for his return. It's not outrageous to think that this could land Rutta though. Timmins likely is a regular in SJ's lineup once the mono passes, Grebyonkin gives them a decent prospect, and a 3rd is a 3rd. Get rid of the retention all together from SJ as that does likely make that pick a higher pick because of it.

It will all come down to what Tanev gets as that will set the market for RHD defensive dmen, Grier's interest in Grebyonkin and whether he thinks he ever makes is way across the pond to play in North America. For comparison Grebyonkin's stats in the KHL are better than what Panarin's were at the same age. Whether they can translate to North American hockey and the smaller ice is the question mark.

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27 Feb 2024 13:01:36
I will always own up to being wrong, what I post is strictly my opinions on Trades.
I will respond if I feel someone else is wrong about certain players.
For example in this proposal SJ is rebuilding and a player like Rutta would be moved to get future assets, Timmons, Grebyonkin and a 3rd are future assets, as for the retention Rutta has a $2,750.000 cap hit for this season and next which means SJ will be on the hook for only $1,375.00 for 2 seasons cap wise which isn't huge for a team rebuilding.

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27 Feb 2024 13:58:52
PINBALL: I would agree that 1.375M isn't much for a rebuilding team, but I just don't see any incentive to SJ to make this trade as proposed.

The 3rd can be seen as compensation for retention, but I just don't see SJ seeing either Grebyonkin or Timmins as an enticing package. If they move Rutta it will be for a better package than this in my humble opinion.

For what it's worth, I haven't seen you acknowledge when you were wrong, ever. You didn't see me taking a lap when I bulls-eyed the Monahan trade, etc., nor do I have any issue accepting when I've gotten it wrong. Full kudos to you on this one. I think the reality of the trade deadline trades and returns will be a big surprise to you.

MG: agreed that Timmins' mono isn't forever, and that SJ can afford to play the long game, I just don't see why they'd be enticed to make this trade? They'll be looking for high picks or prospects with upside.

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27 Feb 2024 14:58:18
@Chickenfoot Grebyonkin could be looked at as a potential mid/ high level prospect. Key word is obviously potential. Like I said at the same age as Panarin he has more points in the KHL. That's a very promising thing going for him and shows that the potential is there. Whether that potential is ever reached is a complete unknown, like it is with any prospect.

End of the day Grier would have to be pretty high on that potential. Could they get better offers? For sure. Could an offer like this be enough to entice him to pull the trigger? For sure. All comes back to whatever Tanev gets dealt for will set the market for that level and the level below IMO. Should be interesting and I still hold the preference of the Leafs making zero moves and going with the group they have right now. They're hot right now with some ugly wins, but playing good hockey for the back half of the season.

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27 Feb 2024 18:25:58
I hear what you're saying MG, and as usual, you make a lot of sense.

Every team needs to have guys playing and contributing on cheap ELC contracts, and this is especially true in Toronto where fewer draft picks have left fewer prospects to fill roster gaps.

My thinking is that if Grebyonkin was any good that he'd already be playing somewhere in the leafs' system, and be under contract.

Rebuilding teams are willing to take on cap if it boosts picks and prospects for a rebuild. I just don't see this package as enticing to SJ. Trade capital is something the leafs are short of at this deadline, and it will be very challenging for Treliving to not trade the two 1st picks he has in the next 3 years to address his deadline needs.

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27 Feb 2024 19:23:57
@Chickenfoot I think it's more they are letting him honour his contract before making a push for him to come to North America. I think the potential is there. He's got 19G, 22A, and 41P in 67 games in what some consider the 2nd best league in the world playing; and is only 20 years old. Everything you would ideally want in a prospect. With any player though that comes from over sees it's always will they be able to adjust to the smaller ice surface and the different style of play. From everything I've read he has the offensive skills to be an NHLer, his defensive game needs improvement.

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27 Feb 2024 21:44:10
I respect your point of view MG, and I will definitely be interested to see how this kid progresses.

As an unsigned Russian, and all that goes with being a Russian prospect in this day and age, I don’t see him or Timmins as meaningful trade chips that are going to move the needle much for a rebuilding team like SJ. Time will tell the truth I guess, as it always does👍.

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28 Feb 2024 12:10:36
For sure. A lot of unknowns for sure. Apparently the Leafs are looking at signing him to his ELC. Grier would have to be high on the potential and think that he'd sign with them.

The potential for a busy deadline is there, also potential for it to be a snooze fest. Hopefully lots of action.

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28 Feb 2024 17:20:39
MG: I'm leaning more towards the deadline being "sleepier" than usual. It's not breaking news to say it's a capped out league, and I think there will be more teams than usual sit it out, or make smaller moves.

In the long run I think your man Treliving is wise to take a stand and not trade either of his first round picks. Unless you think you're a move or two away, keep your powder dry. It's tough when you're not drafting enough because your roster gets too expensive too fast when you don't have meaningful contributions from players on ELC's.

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26 Feb 2024 15:35:42
Toronto - Adam Larsson (50% retained), P.E. Bellemare

Seattle - 24 1st Rd pick, 24 NYI 3rd Rd pick, 5th Rd pick (whenever), Nick Robertson, Conor Timmins

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26 Feb 2024 19:18:31
- I think you're close, but the second year of retention at 50% is going to cost something, provided Ronnie Franchise even wants to trade one of his more dependable D.

- Robertson has little value, and Timmins has even less value. plus mono. If you replaced those two with a better prospect (or a 2nd if you could pick on up in trade) .

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26 Feb 2024 20:37:14
Hopefully Toronto would pass here. I do like Larsson but not at that expense.

Robertson does still have value. He is only 22.

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