NHL rumours 5

11 Oct 2019 14:48:30
Habs: Taylor Hall

NJ: Poehling, 2 second round picks, and Romanov.

11 Oct 2019 15:28:12
I truely don't know the value of Hall. He gets hurt a lot and is an upcoming UFA this summer. That said when he is in lineup he looks amazing. Imagine him on either of the top 2 lines in montreal. theyd really start looking like a contending team even more than they do at this moment. Star power does go a long way when its crunch time.

im sure Jersey fans would want Poehling along with another top end prospect plus a few 1st rounders just the same as Habs fans would love this offer.

From the outside looking in i'm thinnking it would take a little more than the offer being presented but less than the offer i'd presented for Jersey Fans

Add something a bit more entising than this offer and i'm sure both fan bases would be happy.

very good target for Montreal. well done.

11 Oct 2019 15:25:39
Why does new jersey do this.

11 Oct 2019 17:06:59
Hall may have an injury history and be a pending UFA but he's also a former Hart trophy winner and a 1st overall pick. His value would still be much higher than 2 2nd rounders and 2 high prospects.

11 Oct 2019 19:27:16
Hall won’t get moved unless the devils are garbage at deadline.

12 Oct 2019 02:41:59
Hall isn't going anywhere unless NJ has no hope of re signing him. I don't think he is even worth that deal as a rental right now. To a contending team? Maybe. The Habs may bite on that because it probably outs them above or on par with the leafs and bruins instantly as long as he stays healthy but NJ brought in a bunch of guys to try and convince hall to stay. They won't let him go right now unless they are A garbage at deadline or B unable to resign him and are offered a good package.

12 Oct 2019 02:48:25
Sounds like a lot to be giving up for a UFA. Montreal won’t risk derailing their rebuild to gamble on a single player. Even one as good as Hall.

12 Oct 2019 03:32:27
NJ is not a contending team. They might make playoffs this year, but realistically, they are not contenders. That being said, neither are Montreal. Furthermore, Hall doesn’t make either team a contender either. He makes each team better, yes, but not contenders. He played with more talent in Edmonton and couldn’t make them contenders. Montreal won’t want to bring him in as a rental. So you can forget this deal. If Jersey can’t re-sign him long term before deadline, they should trade him regardless of where they stand, though they might just use him as their own rental if they are in playoff position at deadline.

18 Oct 2019 03:12:07
That's a lot for a Rental player.

11 Oct 2019 14:31:58
Toronto - Nylander

Buffalo - Ristolainen

Toronto does this because they have gone all in this year and with the 4 overpay contracts he gave out, Dumbass has slammed the Leafs window shut at the end of this year.   Yet the Leafs defense is still abysmal.   This would give Toronto a player that would be their best defensive defenseman and they would be unloading deadweight.

Buffalo does this because they want to move a defenseman for a forward and Risto has requested a trade.   They get a winger that may be able to turn his career around with a change of scenery.

Toronto May need to retain to make salaries work.

11 Oct 2019 14:58:04
Memarcus I know what your doing. lol If, as some posters write, Risto is worth Ehlers then he is worth Nylander. They both have 5 points so far this season. The only difference is that the Leafs supporters believe that they don't need defensive help and wouldn't want to trade Nylander as they believe he will be a 60 point player this season. Risto isn't worth either Nylander or Ehlers.

11 Oct 2019 14:58:30
Is this suppose to be a troll? Lol because I don’t think it’s that bad. I think last year it would’ve been a good trade. Buffalo would probably have to add a little. But the Leafs D looks pretty good does it not? Reilly - Ceci, Muzzin - Barrie as the top 4 is really solid.

11 Oct 2019 14:59:16
Buffalo wouldn't do this trade even if Toronto added a good prospect. Nylander just dosnt have a ton of value to get a defensmen of Ristolainen's caliber.

11 Oct 2019 15:27:28
Seems to me Marcus that wpg needs a dman more so than tor. So I think you should post about that. I don't think buff is coming back.

11 Oct 2019 15:35:25
I agree with DetroitMantha. i don't think Buffalo does this deal either. i mean they really didn't like Alex so why go for William.

I think Risto would be a good addition for the leafs. Fits their style more than Ceci does but nylander isn't the answer for Risto.

On the flip side I can't see management doing something so dramatic to get a RHD. They upgraded with Barrie. Leafs management has given way too much money to nylander to just let him go for a position not as in much need. Take away nylander and the drop off in talent for Matthews really decreases more than the upgrade in defence by adding Ristolainen.

Good proposal though as given. as Ebsolutely put it given a differant circumstance (like summer of 18) and this deal probably could of happened.

11 Oct 2019 15:50:07
No Ebbs, it's not a troll, I'm just trying to have a discussion. The Leafs aren't competitive with the real contenders due to lack of defense. This gives them something they need for something they don't.

Redwing1, yet the Jets have given up less goals while having a tougher schedule with more injuries to their D than Toronto to start the year.

I agree though about Buff, I think he has made his mind up that he is retiring.

11 Oct 2019 16:12:07
$20.3 million dollars out of $45 million owed has already been given to nylander. can't see toronto dealing him unless the return is for a top Defencemen. Risto in my opinion is a top 4 guy but Toronto would want a top2 guy due to fact the team getting him gets him for a bargain money actually owed wise.

comparing leafs and jets so early in the season is pointless. start comparing at the 20-30 game point.

Stamkos calls out team, point returns and it didn't matter who played tampa it was going to be a blowout. that's hockey folks. peaks and valleys.

11 Oct 2019 16:17:59
why was another team (winnipeg), not involved in this deal, even brought up in this discussion?


makes no sense.

11 Oct 2019 16:24:53
Now that I agree with Craigger. It's too early in the season to start panicking. Which is exactly why I don't want the Jets to flip out after 5 games and make a panic trade.

11 Oct 2019 16:33:46
Craigger, you'd have to ask Redwing1 why he brought up the Jets. I think he wants to control who posts on what.

11 Oct 2019 16:34:36
Its only a panic move if the deal is lopsided. When a trade actually upgrades for a true need long term its never a panic trade. The Jets GM didn't do anything panic wise with trouba last year so i'm sure he will hold on to his jets (sorry bad pun) before really assessing his team. that said what's fun coming on these sites without being involved in a rumor.

again why is this back to Jets. lol.

11 Oct 2019 16:43:16
Lol Nylander is a PPG player this year and people are saying he doesn't have value

Leafs don't need Risto, he's a great defenceman, but not the one we need. We need a defensive guy to play with Reilly. A trade I can see happening when Hyman comes back is Kapanen+Ceci+Bracco for a top 2-way RHD depending on Kapanen's play up to that point.

11 Oct 2019 17:41:21
When dealing Nylander its not just about his skill or value on the ice. Much like Marner, Tavares and Matthews any team aquiring them this season only needs to pay them roughly 700K. although their cap hit is what it is their actual money owed for this season is next to nothing. everything has already been paid to them in bonuses for this year. taking that into account any of these guys value in a trade would demand a kings ransom.

imagine a struggling team finacially that has cap space. if they aquired a free player for a whole year that is a stud theyd give that team trading this kind of player a boat load back. its economics

all 4 guys once their bonus is paid in july 1st every year their value for that year is massive. just sayin.

11 Oct 2019 17:58:38
redwing1 is just stirrin the pot. no worries. lol.

11 Oct 2019 19:34:06
Craigger comparing William Nylander to Alex Nylander is beyond stupidity two completely different caliber players with different playing styles. Alex is a playmaker where as William has a much better scoring ability. Not to mention Alex isn’t even a nhl player.

11 Oct 2019 20:21:55
vbbvvbb,

Not once did i compare the two. I simply wrote that buffalo didn't like dealing with alex so they may be hesitant dealing with william. By dealing i mean negotiations as michael is a handful to deal with.

If whàt i wrote many many posts ago made you think i was comparing the two as the same ability sorry about that.

Also, who knows why buffalo didn't want alex. sometimes after a team let's go of a player they tend not to go after family members in a trade or future signings. Of course i could be way off with this perseption as william may be the player buffalo wants.

Guess in the end anything is plausible i just don't see a trade between nylander and ristolainen happening at this moment for éverything that has been written throughout this topic.

11 Oct 2019 22:04:26
Marcus

You also need to consider playing styles. Tor plays a fast and loose offensive style. Where as dog plays a more central focus on team 200 ft game. Only team that does it better is the blues. So far.

12 Oct 2019 02:44:00
A guy I know around here calls people "Homers" a lot when they post something dumb. I'm shocked he didn't say that this time lol. Nylander had one bad year and isn't on the worst contract at 6.9. He will do well this year and is worth more than Risto lol.

12 Oct 2019 02:55:13
I don’t think the Leafs liked dealing with Nylander either.

10 Oct 2019 16:04:20
Nashville Trades: Turris (5 years x 6 Million)
*Maybe add a pick for Detroit taking on additional 2 years

Detroit Trades: Nielsen ( 3 years x 5.25 million

Logic: Nashville gets a productive 2-way C who can help on Shootouts and help add depth that Turris has not been as successful with in Nashville.

Turris played with Mantha at Worlds and that chemistry could give Turris a new start and Detroit to run two good lines instead of one top line.

Who adds? Is it close?

10 Oct 2019 16:36:26
this is a pretty good trade. good value on both ends

well done.

10 Oct 2019 16:38:22
As a Wings fan I don't want to add any players with higher cap or longer term during a rebuilding year.

I'd rather keep Nielsen's cap hit for 2 more years and try to trade him in year 3. He will fill the hole of a 3C behind Larkin and AA.

10 Oct 2019 18:02:08
@DrwDave, I see your points. AA while I would have liked to see be a center, he is now destined to be a winger.

Nielsen has the better contract in the short term as you mentioned but he is 35 and would likely prefer to be on a cup contender while he’s still capable. Turris is only 30 and would be 35 by the time of expiry. The cap difference between the two isn’t much.

While we are rebuilding, having someone to slot in as a 2-3c is not bad considering our only promising Top 6 potential C we have in the system is Veleno. Besides Fililpula will be gone after next season and then Veleno can start at 3C and build from there for a couple years.

So that’s my logic behind why I don’t think this is too bad as we do need a mix of experience and youth. Now to be fair, I may reconsider this depending on upcoming contracts for AA and Mantha.

12 Oct 2019 02:45:30
Good prop. Nothing bad to say.

10 Oct 2019 15:11:55
to winnipeg
Madison Bowey

to Det
Poolman
5th round 2021


Bowey played 36 games as Morriseys defence partner in Kelowna and they looked pretty good and comfortable together

worth a shot to have morrisey play with someone familiar until winnipegs figures out thr RHD situation. not giving up much to give morrisey someone he's had success with.

thoughts?

10 Oct 2019 15:47:38
Wasn’t Bowey on waivers or am I mistaken? I’m thinking he could be bad for practically nothing.

10 Oct 2019 15:53:12
@Ebs, Bowey wasn’t on waivers at all. Detroit got him as part of the trade with Washington for Nick Jensen.

@Craigger, What’s Poolman’s upside? I haven’t really seen him. So I can’t judge whether I like this or not.

10 Oct 2019 15:59:28
Lol. The Jets are adding to the better defenseman to get the worse one.

10 Oct 2019 16:08:27
Poolman and Bowey are from the same draft year. however, poolman is a year and a bit older. As a prospect Bowey had much more upside but as they developed it appears they are pretty even in their abilities. both are nothing special but put in right circumstances they could very well strive more than they have. they also are both the same size. You lose or gain nothing with this deal except Bowey has played with morrisey before so could be a better fit than poolman in winnipeg. Due to Bowey being a bit younger that's why the 5th is included.

10 Oct 2019 16:38:27
actually these 2 dmen are pretty close in how they play. no real downgrade or upgrade for either team. what winnipeg is adding is bowey is younger by a year and a bit. that's the value here. bowey has more upside. may not be a lot but its enough to add a 5th rounder.

10 Oct 2019 16:43:08
Bowey's trade value may be low at this point in the season, and with Detroit having Daley and Ericsson on IR I believe he's more valuable to the team than he would be at the trade deadline.

Hold onto him until February and if contract negotiations don't produce anything by then, perhaps trade him at the deadline.

10 Oct 2019 16:57:36
Okay Craigger, that's fine. Winnipeg still says no though. It's not worth giving up a 5th for a 6/ 7/ 8 defenseman. We have plenty. The Jets need top 4D, not bottom pairing guys and press boxers.

10 Oct 2019 17:18:30
Maybe a poolman for Jack Johnson trade could be worked out to appease the Jets faithful.

10 Oct 2019 17:36:35
How about Ristolainen as a top 4 Dman? confusion settles in.

10 Oct 2019 17:57:04
The Jets would be better off keeping Poolman as he is playing now and the team doesn’t need another 6/ 7 d-man.

10 Oct 2019 23:05:41
@Craigger, Thanks for the insight into Poolman. While as you mentioned the difference between the two isn’t much, from a Detroit perspective we may just keep Bowey then. There’s incentive for the Jets in terms of him being a RH Dman and playing with Morrissey.

For Detroit, I don’t see a 5th being really a major add at this point. So in terms of trading Bowey, I like DRWDave’s approach of waiting until Trade deadline to see best deal available.

Overall a good post but rather aim for the highest return possible.

11 Oct 2019 13:00:59
Datsyuk_Fan13

no problem. i can see where you are coming from and great response. both sides seem to not want this deal. lol. it happens.

10 Oct 2019 13:33:20
If Buff doesn't come back and the Jets have cap space.

WPG: Vesalainen
BUF: Ristolainen

10 Oct 2019 13:58:18
this deal works out well for winnipeg as ristolainen is the most talked about dman in buffalo at the moment and Winnipeg has hinted at wanting to get a RHD.

i think Vesalainen is a guy winnipeg wouldn't want to give up on just yet. I odviuosly don't know that for a fact but if a deal needs to be a money in for money out would Bryan Little be a player Buffalo could be intersted in for Ristolainen?

overall ristolainen in my opinion is a good target for winnipeg.

10 Oct 2019 15:50:39
Little makes 5.3M for 5 more seasons, he has very little trade value IMO.

10 Oct 2019 16:00:18
No interest in Ristolainen.

10 Oct 2019 16:02:02
Thats a very fair response. don't know how Little is worth around the league. he has skill just that contract sucks. lol.

10 Oct 2019 17:35:52
Is Ristolainen considered a top 4 Dman?

mamarcusjoe,
Did you not write you are only interested in top 4 Dmen but now you're not interested in Ristolainen?

youre a confusing person to read.

10 Oct 2019 17:42:18
If Risto is so great why are the Sabres looking to him?

10 Oct 2019 18:11:36
Risto isn't great and opinions are differing on him being a top4 D or not.

His stats suggests he is a top 4 D. maybe not the best one around but he would help winnipeg in my opinion. get him at a good price and he will be a good upgrade.

buffalo seemed to get a bunch of RHD. much like Carolina and Faulk now buffalo has extra RHD so Risto seems to be the one buffalo is offering. i'm sure Buffalo will get an even better package than what Carolina got due to age and contract for risto.

10 Oct 2019 20:23:51
Craigger, Ristolainen is not a top 4D, or at least not a very good one. He's a power play specialist that is terrible at everything else a defenseman needs to do. He's like Tyler Myers, much better suited to a 5D.

I think you get confused because you read "Jets need top 4D" as "Jets need any defenseman close to top 4 level, no matter how crappy they are. " So, you assume the Jets will make a panic trade.

We need top 4D, doesn't mean any top 4D will do.

I would take Risto, but only if he was dirt cheap. I certainly wouldn't give up a promising prospect for him.

10 Oct 2019 20:03:59
right now jets barely have a dman that can play on most teams top 6. Outside of morrisey who is only a 3/ 4 jets need dmen who are better than what they have. You can only patch for so long. Just like you can only attempt comebacks so long until eventually luck just runs out. If i were a jets fan i'd accept anything more than the jets have right now.

Baggers can't be choosers.

10 Oct 2019 21:09:32
Yes we can. Do you see any Jets fans here making proposals for defenseman? No, because there aren't any good ones available. I just see Leaf fans begging the Jets to make a bad panic trade.

The Jets started the season on a 4 game road trip, missing Buff for 4 games and Morrissey for 2 and yet we're .500 with our defense.

The mighty Leafs with no injuries, a super defense and playing 4 easy games to start the season are only 2-1-1. Maybe you should be worrying more about the Leafs D?

10 Oct 2019 21:14:10
Risto plus minus (-41 last season) shows he is on the ice for far more goals against than he is on for goals scored. He is at best a very weak, mistake prone, so called top four d-man the Jets should not trade for as his contract, $5.4 mil for 3 seasons would handcuff the Jets for signing real top 4 d-men.

10 Oct 2019 21:29:46
mamarcusjoe,

So you don't want ristolainen because he is only a pp specialist and nothing much defenceman like after that.

You only want a true top 4 dman not a fringe top 4 dman. You say "we" need a top 4 dman doesn't mean any top 4 dman will do.

Then you say would take risto but only at a cheap price.

I don't think i'm confused by anything except the things you seem the write.

10 Oct 2019 22:34:28
That +/ - rating of ristolainens is pretty rechid. I won't disagree with anyone on that. Its also one of the most crappy stats ever recorded in hockey. Since 17 of his points were PP points means 26 of his points were even strength. So he ended up on the ice 67 times when buffalo was scored on at even strength. that's still pretty bad but is comparable to guys who get 80 even strength points and have +/ - rating of only 13. Lots of those guys around. Just giving readers something to munch on here.

Not saying he is fantastic but guatentee if he had a good team in front of him he would improve his +/ - stat greatly.

That said i'm ok with winnipegs fans not wanting risto. Opinions are opinions. That was a very good point you brought up islandjet. i can see why due to that point in your opinion youd want to stay far far away from ristolainen.

mamarcusjoe,
You keep bringing up the leafs at the end of a discussion when you have nothing more to say. Considering this conversation never had anything to do with the leafs its quite petty. i'm just trying to have regular discussions with regular people writing about the best sport in the world. Sorry you get so offended by that. Sorry i like to broden my scope on how players are valued in each fan base instead of limiting my opinions too only 1 fan base opinions. I love diversity. Its what makes good conversation continue. bias opinions based soley on the team you cheer for will limit the conversation pretty fast.

Again once i opened my mind to many opinions outside my own, conversations became much more fun.

10 Oct 2019 23:31:13
I mean he leads buffalo in TOI and PKTOI he’s statistically their 1D.

11 Oct 2019 00:27:29
Craigger,
It's just when you go on and on and on about the same thing, trying to force a trade on Jets fans that we don't want. You don't know anything about the Jets lineup or how much anyone makes, but we're supposed to take your word for it that these trades are good for the Jets.

You proposed the trade we turned it down and gave you our reasons why and yet you continued to tell us how much we need him. It gets a little tiring.

It's funny how when Islandjet gives you a reason, you accept it and say it is a good reason and move on. But when I give you the same reasons, that's not good enough and I'm being close minded.

We've said we have no interest in Risto. Just deal with it.

11 Oct 2019 01:26:17
Craigger, for the Leafs references, I'm just trying to give you examples in terms you understand since you don't seem to know much about the Jets.

Your contention is that the Jets should be in full on panic mode, even though they are 2-2 after starting the year on a 4 game road trip including back to back games to start the year while missing Morrissey for 2 of those games and Buff for all 4.

Where for comparison the Leafs with a much easier schedule including 2 games at home, are 2-1-1. Why shouldn't they be in panic mode as well?

My contention is, let's just see how it goes for a while, there's no need to panic 4 games into the season and make bad trades, when we're 2 -2.

11 Oct 2019 10:17:32
mamarcusjoe,
I didn't even start his trade proposal. i'm just in on the conversation. Start from the beginning and youll clearly see that. I responded to 2 differant people on 2 differant topic areas. Most of my responses had nothing to do with you until you came in and said" no interest in ristolainen" which is just fine but unfortunetly i was in the middle of responding to others replys. Hate to break it to you but you aren't the only person on this site. So what you say goes? Islandjet and ebsolutely responded to my questions and made good responses. you're basically just throwing your opinion around about ristolainien without backing it up with stats. i'm fine with you not liking ristolainen but i'm allowed to defend him as a hockey player. that's my right.

Then you resort to comparing leafs to jets once you got nothing to say.
The whole buff thing and his salary when i admitted i was off on the salary. i said i was wrong on that one item. you don't know how to let things go. ill warn you now though if u want to go toe to toe with stats and salaries and prospects rankings bring it. wait until i actually do research. see the buff thing was all off the top of my head. i didn't research his salary because i didn't care.

Just because you write it doesn't mean its true. . enjoy living in your bubble thinkng your opinions are better than everyones elses. by the way in your head you think you work for the jets but if you did youd be fired for responding on these sites. so there's your little reality bubble burst.

11 Oct 2019 12:21:48
trying to force a player on jets fans? .

when did i ever say Jets HAVE to get Ristolainen? . i'm just trying to figure out if he is in fact a top 4 dman and if he'd fit a teams system. then commenting on actual stats.

the jury is still out on those questions

stating "we turned it down" who is we and when did i actually offer Ristolainen. I simply countered the original deal.

mamarcusjoe this site isn't just about you and your opinions. others have opinions too.

11 Oct 2019 23:17:47
jets would not do this.

10 Oct 2019 13:32:41
WPG: Poolman
DAL: Honka

Or

WPG: 3rd Round Pick 2020
DAL: Honka

10 Oct 2019 13:59:59
I think that second deal would be perfect for winnipeg and dallas

winnipeg apparently wants a RHD and Honka apparently wants traded out of Dallas and is a RHD. seems like a good idea.

10 Oct 2019 16:01:32
First deal is no. Second one is close. I'd rather give up a lower pick or C/ D prospect.

10 Oct 2019 17:37:29
What is wanted to give up is not in reality what Honka is worth.3rd or 4th rounder that's his worth. take it or leave it. pretty simple.

10 Oct 2019 17:45:47
The Jets wouldn’t trade Poolman for Honka. I don’t believe that they will trade for a defence man at this Tim.

09 Oct 2019 15:58:19
EDM: Puljujärvi.

CAL: Gaudreau.

09 Oct 2019 16:47:59
I can't see Calgary turning this one down. Lol.

09 Oct 2019 18:04:17
I think Treliving might go for this.
Not sure Edm can add the contract so CAL retains %50 and Edm adds Gagner.
Actually maybe this instead:

EDM: Puljujarvi, Gagner, Manning, Russell
CAL: Gaudreau (%50 retain), Hanifin.

09 Oct 2019 18:22:44
Ha Ha ha. I'm waiting for Sean Monkeybrain to see this. I think you could add more cap dumps from Edmonton though yupp.

10 Oct 2019 08:16:26
Calgary adds big time. Gaudreau is a liability and probably a cap dump at this point. Puljujärvi a top 20 forward in the league

10 Oct 2019 08:17:24
Winnipeg trades Patrik Laine and Nikolaj Ehlers to Calgary for Milan Lucic and Tj Brodie. 2 cap dumps for 2 cap dumps. Similar in skill

10 Oct 2019 16:51:17
Treliving would say no to that Sean, he just got Lucic and they absolutely love him there. They aren’t letting him go for that so soon.

10 Oct 2019 20:43:22
@yupp i agree Lucic is worth more than Ehlers alone not worth eating Laine's contract

09 Oct 2019 14:12:31
To Winn
Matt Dumba

To Minn
Big Buff
2020 2nd
2020 1st(cond)
2021 1st(cond)

basically winnipeg hands minny the 2nd since it will take buff till christmas to really be ready

the 2 1st are conditions based on if Buff doesn't play this year at all Minny gets the 2 1st rounders

thoughts

09 Oct 2019 14:32:00
oh and buff is from minny. if he won't play in his home state then he won't play anywhere.

09 Oct 2019 14:48:16
No thanks from Winnipeg. The Jets won't be making any panic trades.

09 Oct 2019 15:32:12
how is this a panic trade. Dumba becomes the best D on the team. lol. you make a lot of panic comments.

09 Oct 2019 15:47:59
So if Byfuglien does play then it’s only Dumba and a 2nd? Not a chance. Plus I feel like a deal would only be made if a team knows for sure if he’s playing again or not.

09 Oct 2019 16:01:18
Minny laughs. Dumba way more valuable to them right now to trade for an older not even playing Buff.

What Buff is doing to Winnipeg is the biggest dick move ever. Bob McKenzie said last night he didn’t even skate or work out all off season. Then tells the team he might retire during training camp. Total blind side. Huge part of that team and he treats them like this leaving a massive hole they could have worked with if they had the time.

Minny laughs at this idea of Dumba for him.

09 Oct 2019 16:10:51
I call them panic trades because they are. They are incredibly poorly thought out and short sighted. The Jets would be giving up 2 firsts, one of which at least will likely be pretty good and a second for Dumba.

Dumba is a nice player, but he's not good enough to mortgage the future for.

09 Oct 2019 16:22:29
dumba and a 2nd is pretty close to market value for buff

i mean you could always just hold on to buff and "hope" he returns or take a good dman and a 2nd for him. pickers cants be choosers

i agree though only make deal if he guarentees he will play. that's fair. no conditions then. just dumba and 2nd for Buff (guarenteed he will play play)

09 Oct 2019 16:50:53
If Buff agrees to play, there is no chance the Jets would screw him over and trade him.

09 Oct 2019 17:17:24
wow, memarcusjoe, wow

if you read this trade proposal right youd read that the 2 1sts wound only happen if buff decided not to play ever again. wow

also, buff isn't playing for winnipeg so the question isn't if buff decides to play hockey again. its if this trade was proposed if he decides to play for minny. so winnipeg isn't screwing him over at all.

READ please.

09 Oct 2019 17:18:23
memarcusjoe,

do you know what a condition means in hockey terms. if not then please go look it up.

09 Oct 2019 17:48:30
during this debate we have established that the 2 conditional 1sts are off the table

this deal only happens if Buff says he will play for Minny, nothing else

now with that in mind

Dumba for Buff and a 2nd

is that fair market value?

what would need to be added for either side if not fair?

09 Oct 2019 18:29:45
Oh Craigger, your trades are always based on some idiotic premise. If Buff plays again it will be in Winnipeg, nowhere else. He won't be traded. He'll either come back and play for the Jets, or retire. At least put minimal effort and thought into your proposals to make them somewhat realistic.

09 Oct 2019 18:49:18
It’s a business Marcus. They 100% would “screw him over” and trade him. Especially if what yup said is true. And yes if they would trade him and a 2nd for Dumba, they’d jump all over it. But they can’t because it’s not enough IMO.

09 Oct 2019 19:27:15
Dumba>>>Buff with age and contract considered.

09 Oct 2019 19:28:50
That just shows how little you know about the Jets or TNSE, ebs. TNSE is a first class organization, they're nothing like the Mickey Mouse organization you're used to with the Oilers. There is zero chance the Jets talk Byfuglien out of retirement and then turn around and trade him. Unless he specifically asked to be moved, which he hasn't.

09 Oct 2019 20:08:19
Buff may want to play for a contender. The jets one year window has closed.

09 Oct 2019 20:17:41
Oh memarcusjoe,
Your responses are always based on some idiotic premise.
Last time i checked no significant UFA comes to winnipeg. Heck, atlanta had an easier time bringing in ufas of significance. How does this make winnipeg first class

FYI buff is from minny. That was the whole premise of this trade. If a player is having a hard time deciding to retire from the sport its very possible going home is the only way they will come out of retirement. See i'm the type of person who looks at it every way possible. I could personally care less either way if he retires or not. However, like many players they want to be closer to home. This trade does that. Just because your mind is so closed off to see multiple pausibilities to why he is even thinking of retiring doesn't mean my thought is wrong. If winnipeg was such a first class organisation like you say they are then i'm pretty sure they will explore this. If buff says he will come out of retirement if he got to play back home this classy organisation would look into máking it happen. Just because you think you know everything winnipeg doesn't mean you know buffs real thought. Insinuating the notion that you do know his thoughts and stating he hadnt asked for a trade anywhere when you truely don't know makes you very arrigant.

Winnipegs fans and management should only hope a deal like this falls in their lap. Saying you want to see him just sit and retire over getting a player to replace him is pretty silly. just like most of you comments.

09 Oct 2019 21:26:56
Once again Craigger you show your ignorance of the reality of hockey and of the Jets in particular.

You make up a foolish scenario in your head and then try to pass it off as fact. No one knows why Buff isn't playing, we can only speculate. So, a silly premise like yours just isn't realistic to talk about.

I never said I wouldn't take the deal for Buff, I just said it wouldn't happen.

Go back to the Leafs boards and discuss the one year window the Leafs have instead. The Leafs have 4 players overpaid by about 10 million total. Next year they lose almost all their defenseman and don't have any cap space to replace them with NHL players due to a poor GM and you still haven't won a playoff series.

The Leafs have to win it all this year or they are done. They've closed the window on themselves with bad contracts. Unlike the Jets who are barely starting to open their window.

09 Oct 2019 21:45:25
If Buff is indeed done playing then the Jets should just let him retire. If he still isn't sure by the middle of Nov then see if Buff wants to play for another team. If he does give any team he would want to play for permission to talk with him. He could then assure that team he would report, then a trade with the Jets can be made. This would be a win/ win/ win for both teams and Buff.

09 Oct 2019 22:37:22
Memarcusjoe,
Once again another person resorting to going off topic because they don't know how to debate.

Lets look at the situation. First off noone really knows why buff just up and is debating retirement. My solution is deal him for something of value to his home team just as a suggestion to see if he will unretire.

Your solution let him sit and wait it out

Both suggestions are fine and dandy. Not once did i state buff will come out of retirement if he went to minnesota. It was a suggestion. This site is based on suggestions. Do you actually think what you come up with is real. Its all speculation. Come back to reality. Suggesting and giving reason for that suggestion doesn't make you arragent. However, stating you actually know winnipegs managements rhinking and buffs thinking does. Everyone is allowed to suggest.

All i can say is noone just walks away from 35 million. Either he won a 35 million dollar lottery and said hell with hockey or he just isn't happy with something. Is it hockey related? Who knows. Did he ask for a trade and winnipeg said no so he retired? You don't know. what's wrong with suggesting a trade. If you don't like suggestions then i suggest you stop reading. Nothing is real and noone on these sites know the truth until it happens in real life. not my problem your close minded.

10 Oct 2019 02:17:30
Craigger,

As you've demonstrated you are totally ignorant of Byfuglien's situation. Buff isn't walking away from 35 million, he's only leaving 15.2 on the table. So, it's pretty obvious you have no idea of his situation.

No one would walk away from that kind of money you say? I guess Ilya Kovalchuk, who left 77 million on the table, and Andrew Luck, who left more, should have consulted with you first.

Not every player is greedy, to some, like Buff, having earned 65 million or so in his lifetime is good enough and they'd rather retire with their health and live a happy life.

But you want to speculate on a trade with a whole bunch of 'ifs' and somehow get a fair evalution. IF Buff doesn't want to retire, IF he wants to play, IF he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg, IF he'll only play for Minnesota, IF the Jets will agree to trade him.

There's just too many restrictions to make a realistic offer that will help both teams. So, not worth discussing.

10 Oct 2019 05:53:39
Damn, Craigger is slapping Memarcusjoe around like the clown he is.

10 Oct 2019 07:56:28
Bahaha! I don’t know if it should be biasjoe or bitterjoe?

10 Oct 2019 09:27:26
If a team is adding its Winnipeg. Buff is near the end if not already.

10 Oct 2019 10:26:38
Memarcusjoe,

You got to relax a bit. you're taking these proposals way too serious. I can speculate all i want. you're way too attavhed to buff.

Yes, i made an error in what Buff has remaining on his contract. I heard from someone on sportsnet he has 35 when in fact he has half that. Either way that's my error. me bad.

Still doesn't change my response.
As for kovalcuk he didn't retire from hockey he left the nhl to . oh what's this. go home. gee where did i read that reason before. oh yeah. i wrote it earlier.
As for andrew luck he retired for a whole differant reason. When youve been concused you start to look at the future in a whole differsnt light. Since luck has made 200 million in endorsements i'm thinking he is thinking long term here. Again, i'm speculating on luck but i'm sure he has a better readon than buff right now since he at leadt manned up and went to media with it. at least he gave fans closure.

Its not like anything we write here is real. Just so you know you speculating why buff has retired is no differant than my speculations. Its not like you know buff. You have the same info we all have. I try to find other angles and be creative while you sit in your little bubble thinking the world is juśt black and white. get a little grey it makes the world a little more fun.

10 Oct 2019 12:22:33
you suggesting "Not every player is greedy, to some, like Buff, having earned 65 million or so in his lifetime is good enough and they'd rather retire with their health and live a happy life. " is not differant than my suggestions. that's what they are suggestions.

Where you in a room with Buff and heard him say out of his mouth this is what he is doing? If your answer is no than you have no clue either. speculation is all any of this is.

bottom line you don't want Dumba for Buff and a 2nd. anything else you or myself speculated during this conversation is just that speculation.

Hate to see how you become if one of these speculations comes true. geesh.

10 Oct 2019 12:41:30
arrogance,
unpleasantly proud and behaving as if you are more important than, or know more than, other people:

memarcus joe, not once have i stated or acted like i know more than other people. having more than 1 idea about a situation is not arrogance its speculating.

only thinking the situation is what you think it is, that is arrogance.

10 Oct 2019 16:06:18
It's not the speculation that is bothersome Craigger. It's that you are completely ignorant on the player you are talking about.

You actually think Buff is being paid $17.5 mil a year?

Or, are you just poorly informed on Buff in general. Otherwise where did $35 mil come from?

10 Oct 2019 16:48:47
i admitted to the dollar owed amount. heard sportsnet person say he is owed 35 million. guess i either heard him wrong or he said it wrong but i already admitted to that mistake so why does it stillo bother you. do you hold grudges or something

he is owed 14 million.8 this year and 6 next year i believe but i might have reversed those. his cap hit to the jets is 7.6 million.

where you get that 17.5 million for 1 year i don't know. that was your own mis read. I thought he had 4-5 years remaining on his contract but he only has 2.again i already covered this.

anyways it really doesn't matter now as this conversation was lost ages ago.

10 Oct 2019 17:03:48
winnipeg can keep buff. this was merely a conversation to try and put a positive on such a negative situation. apparently some people just love having negative stuff around them.

10 Oct 2019 17:28:13
CraiGger Is Making very valid points here.

10 Oct 2019 17:46:40
Yeah, this debate was a hundred percent domination by Craigger. Homerjoe can’t get over his own ego and delusions. I think the guy really believes he’s part of the WPG . org with how he thinks he knows everything about them and what they’re thinking. It’s pretty depressing watching him on here tbh.

10 Oct 2019 18:13:56
i did screw up on the Contract value remaining on Buff though. so ill give mamarcus that one.