NHL rumours 5

14 Jul 2019 05:12:56
What do you think? Would you do it from a Leafs/Lightning perspective?

Maple Leafs acquire D Erik Cernak & RW Mathieu Jospeh from the Lightning in exchange for RW William Nylander

To Leafs -
• RD Erik Cernak (ELC x 1YR)
• RW Mathieu Joseph (ELC x 1YR)

To Lightning -
• RW William Nylander (6.962 @ 5YR)

Cernak might get a raise of 3.85M @ 4-6YR when his contract expires, Joseph maybe gets around 3M or a bridge deal. Leafs get cap space to upgrade their roster and Tampa gets a proven Top 6 RW.

Tampa Bay Lightning also would have enough cap for this trade. Obviously they would have to make some moves to sign Brayden Point which they are in the process of moving players like Tyler Johnson & Alex Killorn.


Maple Leafs Projected Lines :


Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner

Andreas Johnsson - Auston Matthews - Kasperi Kapanen

Trevor Moore - Alexander Kerfoot - Mathieu Joseph

Nic Petan - Jason Spezza - Nick Shore


Morgan Rielly - Tyson Barrie

Jake Muzzin - Erik Cernak

Timothy Liljegren - Cody Ceci

14 Jul 2019 06:03:13
The Lightning don't touch this. Nylander is good, don't get me wrong, but #1 this will cause more cap trouble in the future, #2 why help out a division rival? and especially #3 TB absolutely needs Cernak, he's been superb in his rookie year last season and is a great fit next to McDonagh in the Top 4. Joseph is a speedy winger, obv not as talented as Nylander is, but I could still see him get 50+ if he plays on a scoring line consistenly, he has the speed and finishing ability to match there.

14 Jul 2019 06:16:48
Tb is pretty weak on rd already. And also point needs signing so not a chance they add a pricey forward. I think if anything they trade a forword for a cheaper rd to get point signed.

14 Jul 2019 06:21:26
And also point is worth a lot more than nylander so signing point is a lot more important than trading for a lesser forword.

14 Jul 2019 15:34:34
Ya Tampa gets the best player but Nylander is kinda redundant for them and they probably have the cap to sign Point now but would definitely need to move more if they add Nylander. This trade has them trading from a weakness to add to a strength, to then need to trade from that strength for cap relief.

14 Jul 2019 16:16:33
No from both teams not bad tho no because of Cap from Tampa and value wise Tampa adds a pick I’d try for Vancouvers 1st.

14 Jul 2019 16:20:08
Tampa is just as high or cernak as they are on serg obviously different players but they really love that kid.

14 Jul 2019 17:07:21
Tampa already lost a couple d men this off season. They don’t do this trade.

13 Jul 2019 19:18:29
mtl- drouin-mete-suzuki- 1st pick
2021


wpg- laine


habs sign gardiner 5year 33M
and send down
alzner 4.6M
peca 1.3M
weise 2.4M

domi-kotkaniemi-laine
tatar-danault-gallagher
lekhonen-poehling-armia
cousins-weal-byron

gardiner-weber
chiarot-petry
kulak-juulsen

extra folin-thompson

13 Jul 2019 21:33:09
Start with Kotkaniemi and add from there.

13 Jul 2019 21:39:42
I'd sooner keep mete and have him on the 1st pair with weber.

13 Jul 2019 22:25:45
Gardiner would be nuts with Weber. Mete is obviously a solid prospect but I’d throw him with Petry. Gardiner And Petry would be ugly IMO.

14 Jul 2019 00:33:03
If MTL starts with Kotkaniemi to get Laine, they stop right they're. We've been looking for are number 1 center for 15 years, were not going to give him up for a RFA winger who just had a terrible year for the talent he has. Plus Kotkaniemi is worth more atm bcuz he is on a ELC contract for another 2 years wich is worth alot. Laine at 10 million+ is scary imo.

14 Jul 2019 02:05:29
I'd be fine with
Mete weber
Kulak petry
Chiarot jullsen
Reily folin
With brook Romanov fleury etc etc all coming along not really any need to pay that kind of money for gardiner I don't think they have any intention to anyway.

14 Jul 2019 02:24:09
Odd that your name is DetroitMantha and you refer to the Canadiens as “we”.
Also, this doesn’t make sense for both teams. Kotkaniemi is the Canadiens’ baby. They’ve looked for a playmaking centre, and they got one.

13 Jul 2019 16:32:24
Calgary to sign and trade Tkachuk at 7 million to the Leafs for Nylander.

Reunite him with Marner giving him additional reason to sign with the Leafs.

13 Jul 2019 16:52:09
Tkachuk brings way more to the table than Nylander.

13 Jul 2019 16:58:20
Tkachuk >>> nylander.

13 Jul 2019 17:09:32
Leafs would have to add considerably

And I doubt anyone gets Tkachuk signed for 7, unless it’s a bridge deal.

13 Jul 2019 17:58:11
Dream on. Tkachuk>>>>>>>Nylander.

13 Jul 2019 22:18:19
How about tkachuk for nylander, liligren/ sandin, and a draft pick.

14 Jul 2019 01:26:32
I’d do that @Habby.

14 Jul 2019 02:26:36
I’m confused, why would the Leafs trade Nylander to shed cap and then sign Tkachuk to a 7M AAV when Nylander already gets paid the exact same amount.
Toronto’s problem isn’t that Marner doesn’t want to sign with them, it’s that they don’t have the money to sign him and right now it’s just a waiting game on who breaks first. Will Marner take a pay cut to stay with the Leafs or will the Leafs trade somebody to make room for Marner.

14 Jul 2019 04:55:53
Oh boy. Flames say no but Nylander does interest me but not with that contract and that price for him

14 Jul 2019 06:04:25
Tkachuck won't sign for "just" 7M and TOR would def have to add.

13 Jul 2019 16:04:12
Toronto and Vancouver to make big trade.

VAN: Marner, Ceci and Gauthier

TOR: Boeser and Tanev

13 Jul 2019 16:10:41
No from Vancouver. You can keep Marner and his 11-12 mil.

13 Jul 2019 16:11:35
Tanev has zero value with his injuries take him out of the trade. Marner>>Boeser.

13 Jul 2019 17:07:19
Tanev still has positive value and would improve the Leafs top 4.

And I doubt Marner is getting 11-12 mln.

13 Jul 2019 18:29:15
he’d improve the top 4 for the 30 games he plays.

13 Jul 2019 18:41:34
Yes vbbv, he would. Which is why he wouldn’t have “zero value”.

13 Jul 2019 20:53:11
@unsportsmanlike
Don't you love it when VB says something then proves himself wrong in the next thing he writes?

13 Jul 2019 21:52:47
After Marner signs Vancouver would be bringing in like 15M in salary from this trade.

13 Jul 2019 22:42:04
TyBa4 with my superior intelligence I’ll teach you something. A better sentence would be “Do you guys enjoy when VB contradicts his statements”. If any of that goes over your head or if the gammer is to hard for you to comprehend I’ll be happy to further elaborate on the topic.

Anyway as per my previous two statements

“Previous” means most recent. I stated Tanev has zero value because he is always injured. I then followed it up by saying for the 30 games he’d play he is solid ( although last year that was not the case ) now in the NHL each season there is 82 games played and if a player were to play only 30 of the 82 games his impact would be irrelevant and on top of that it’d kill a cap strapped team like Toronto. You’re very welcome for the Knowledge now let’s make this the most disagreed upon post in this sites history.

13 Jul 2019 23:07:31
Half of this s*** is such a joke cause the original trade isn't good for Toronto, then VB comes in and makes an absolutely stupid statement and the whole post goes to bashing him for that 😂😂😂😂.

14 Jul 2019 01:24:30
You got to give Vb some props, no matter how stupid he constantly makes himself look, he never leaves.

14 Jul 2019 02:30:02
Lol Vb what are you talking about? You’re the same kid that said “over here on the east side of Canada we don’t do that “you’re” sh*t. We just say your and be done with it” and then called everybody “inbreads” in the fantasy league lolol.

14 Jul 2019 02:31:40
@TopShelf
Welcome to nhl-trade-rumours in 2019. i like how it is.

14 Jul 2019 17:09:45
TyBa4 did you have a different user name before?

13 Jul 2019 13:24:32
Edmonton Trades
Puljujarvi

Vegas Trades
Tuch

Edmonton will have to shed a bit of Salary to start the Season like a Lucic buyout and it also helps Vegas with there Cap Space problem.

Thoughts ?

13 Jul 2019 14:01:24
No from Vegas come on. Like I said it’ll probably be a Gusev and Clarckson package.

13 Jul 2019 20:54:51
@vb
Doubt it. Gusev wants to play for a contender or at least a playoff team. Since free agency is basically over the only teams left to take Clarkson's contract AND then sign Gusev to the deal he wants is most likely a rebuilding team.
If he's traded to a rebuilding team, Gusev will just go back to Russia.

13 Jul 2019 22:42:44
Colorado is not a rebuilding team?

13 Jul 2019 13:19:53
Are any of these good?

To CGY - Andreas Athanasiou
To DET - Oliver Kylington, Mark Jankowski, Second Round Draft Pick & Fifth Round Draft Pick

To CGY - Third Round Draft Pick
To MTL - Michael Frolik

To CGY - Nikolaj Ehlers
To WPG - Mikael Backlund

To CGY - Seventh Round Draft Pick
To OTT - James Neal, First Round Draft Pick & Glenn Gawdin

To CGY - Jesper Fast
To NYR - Austin Czarnik

To CGY - Alexander Wennberg
To CLB - T.J Brodie

To CGY - Matthew Nieto
To COL - Fourth Round Draft Pick



Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Elias Lindholm

Nikolaj Ehlers - Andreas Athanasiou - Matthew Tkachuk

Sam Bennett - Alexander Wennberg - Jesper Fast

Andrew Mangiapane - Derek Ryan - Matthew Nieto


Mark Giordano - Rasmus Andersson

Noah Hanifin - Travis Hamonic

Juuso Valimaki - Rinat Valiev

13 Jul 2019 14:02:41
HUGE nod from Detroit, Winnipeg and Calgary on the Columbus deal.

13 Jul 2019 16:31:21
The Jets would not make that trade.

13 Jul 2019 16:55:58
I’d bet the jets would Islandjet. It’s safe to say you and biasjoe don’t really know what Chevy would do. I think Backlund doesn’t get enough credit on this site.

13 Jul 2019 17:40:30
Only extremely biased posters would think the Calgary-Jets trade is good for the Jets. No chance the Jets trade a 23 year old first line winger for a 30 year old 3C. Lol.

13 Jul 2019 22:20:39
I thought Backlund was younger. Chevy still might consider, lol.

14 Jul 2019 04:58:04
Backlund is a solid number 2 center, can kill penalties, win faceoffs, good backcheck. I think you underrate backlund a bit. I agree @Leafs17

13 Jul 2019 07:46:41
Just read there's rumours of three way trade from Calgary edmonton and Vancouver. Lucic, Eriksson and neal... depends what else involved but seems like a very lateral move all three teams. Probably a hockey writer making things up but hypothetically. What team/teams would have to add? To me lucic has thrown in the towel but maybe neal and Eriksson could bounce back? Thoughts?

13 Jul 2019 08:02:49
Soo Lucic to Vancouver (where he's from), Neal to Edmonton & Eriksson to Calgary. Mhmm idk how i feel about that would honestly rather have Neal tbh

13 Jul 2019 08:10:19
Definitely made up. Canucks need to shed cap, not acquire a worse contract.

13 Jul 2019 12:45:06
100% made up.

13 Jul 2019 00:04:35
Team with the best prospect pool for each position?
My picks:

Goalie - Edmonton
Defence - ??
Forward - Ottawa

There's like 4-5 teams that have really nice prospects for defence, really difficult to pick which one

13 Jul 2019 00:43:22
Tampa, Philadelphia, Leafs are my top three picks.

13 Jul 2019 02:29:30
I'm bias but Blackhawks is looking pretty good.

13 Jul 2019 02:55:14
Makar, Bryam, Timmons. Bouchard, Broberg, Samurakov. Maybe not the deepest but two teams with really high end D prospects.

13 Jul 2019 03:20:52
Chicago has bloquist, ian mitchell.

13 Jul 2019 03:24:13
Woulda said Chicago before they traded jokiharju. But I'm bias but have two defensemen that were better than a point per game in junior last year.

13 Jul 2019 03:42:06
How do Edmonton and Ottawa have the best ANYTHING? Lmao. If any Vancouver has the best goalie prospects with Demko and DiPietro.

13 Jul 2019 04:37:19
Honestly I don’t think Tampa has the best prospect pool st any position. I think it’s Colorado for D but that’s about all I’m willing to commit to.

13 Jul 2019 04:52:04
Ebsolutley makes a good point.

13 Jul 2019 05:06:04
@Vertius
Stuart Skinner looking really good, his potential is to be a starter. We know what he’s capable of when he gets hot. (.932 save % in the WHL playoffs)
Dylan Wells had very lowkey good OHL career. Looking to be the AHL backup this year. Only 21.
Shane Starrett surprised everyone in Bakersfield with his talent. Took away the starting job from everyone.
Hayden Hawkey one of the best goalies in the NCAA right now. Not sure, but I’m pretty sure he’s a top 3 goalie statistically.
Olivier Rodrigue was the best goalie prospect in the NHL draft a year ago.
Ilya Konovalov KHL’s rookie of the year. Already a KHL star while only being 20 years old.

For Ottawa:
These forwards don’t even need an explanation
Drake Batherson, Colin White, Logan Brown, Tkachuk, Abramov, Josh Norris, Jacob Bernard-Docker, Shane Pinto, Filip Chpalik, Johnathan Davidsson.

13 Jul 2019 07:43:50
Is it really difficult tho like really?

Best defence prospect group hands down with absolutely zero debut is Colorado Connor Timmons ( not as we’ll know was injured this year but should crack the lineup this season potential top 2 dman worst case he’s a solid 2 way top 4 guy. AND Byram/ Makar we all know those 2 the both have all star potential. Then Detroit has the 2nd to best D group imo.

Forwards got to be the Rangers Kappo Kakko And Kravstov up front are two top 5 prospects + they got Howdwn, Chytil and Lias Andersson

Goaltending easily Flyers if Carter Hart is still considered a prospect he’s a star in the making he’s the next Carey Price.

13 Jul 2019 07:45:53
I like the leafs 2 kid goalies more then edmontons. But nyi have a top prospect goalie that if he comes from khl they have the best.

13 Jul 2019 06:51:04
jbd is defence.

13 Jul 2019 07:00:20
ottawa has chabot, wolanin, brannstrom, jbd, tychonick, and the Finn they took in the 1st round this year on defence which in my opinion is a fairly solid crop. i would even consider their goalie position somewhat stocked with Gustavsson, daccord, hogberg and sogaard in the pipeline.

13 Jul 2019 07:04:38
and you forgot formenton on forward, but added the likes of chlapik and brown.

13 Jul 2019 10:33:33
@Facelift
Yeah, forgot Formenton because I thought I already mentioned him. But yeah, Formenton is a top one.
@Vb
I don’t know if you’re related to Carter Hart, but you have to relax with him lol.
Ottawa’s is better, sure Kravstov and Kakko lead, but they don’t have that much depth as the Senators. 2 players won’t lead you to the playoffs, just ask the Oilers.

13 Jul 2019 13:21:51
Like I said Chytil is looking like a top 6 forward, Lias Andersson looking like a very good middle 6 Center and Howden who is pretty hyped. Who does Ottawa have Tuch is good

Kappo Kakko> Batherson, Brown, Norris And Chaplik combined. Colin White And Brady Tkachuk are not prospects anymore the played a full season in the NHL.

Norris >>>>> Logan Brown

Then they got Kappo Kakko.

13 Jul 2019 14:06:19
Lol what most of my post got cut off like what Idk why I said Tuch he plays on Vegas I must’ve meant Norris or something and there was way more I never even said Logan Brown>>>>>>Norris. I’m so confused.

13 Jul 2019 14:39:35
Dont count out the islanders, they have some great defensive prospects starting with dobson.

13 Jul 2019 15:58:10
Dallas has pretty good goalie prospects too.

13 Jul 2019 23:00:37
Clueless, islanders got one goalie from russia. konovalov is younger and putting up the same Numbers + they got got starrett and Skinner or i would say every oilers goalie prospect is doing great


And on defence oilers prospect should at least be top three . bouchard Broberg Jones samorukov everyone of them should be ready to make the team 20-21.

13 Jul 2019 23:29:22
Are any of these Oiler goalies going to be ready before McDavid gives up on the team?

14 Jul 2019 01:41:46
Oilers have some goalie depth and couple of them have looked decent. They have drafted 7 goalies in the last 6 drafts so they should have some depth. They are probably not going to be able to keep them all for much longer and I'm not sure if Hayden Hawkey will be resigned. Also rodrigue is looking more like a Zachary fucale then a future starting goalie.

12 Jul 2019 20:32:19
Mtl- mete-reilly-hudon-2nd pick


Vegas- tuch


Then habs gardiner 6year 36M

Vegas free caps to sign gusev, get a good young D in mete, a good draft pick and 2 depth player

Drouin-domi-tuch
Tatar-danault-gallagher
Lekonen-kotkaniemi-armia
Cousins-weal-byron



Gardiner-weber
Chiarot-petry
Kulak-juulsen

Extra thompson-folin

13 Jul 2019 00:12:42
Habs should not trade Mete.

13 Jul 2019 00:45:20
Tuch is so valuable to Vegas. I can’t see them trading him unless it’s an overwhelming package, which this one isn’t.

12 Jul 2019 19:39:19
Van loui Eriksson

Ottawa 4th round pick 2020

12 Jul 2019 20:37:18
As much as I’d love that, we’re going to have to add to get rid of Eriksson.

12 Jul 2019 22:55:35
Are you serious lol.

12 Jul 2019 23:54:22
You either pay through the nose to get rid of him, or trade him for somebody else with a bad contract.

13 Jul 2019 02:41:49
Maybe erickson and a 1st round for like a few water bottles.