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28 May 2020 16:41:50
Ok guys I sort've seen this on social media discussions recently and wanted to get some thoughts as it does sound kind of interesting to me.

Now keep in mind these are completely hypothetical situations depending on how the lottery and play in round of playoffs go.

Say the bottom 4 seeds in the east all win their matchups. That leaves Ottawa with the 13th overall pick via the New York Islanders.

Now say Ottawa gets extremely lucky and wins both the 1st and the 2nd overall picks in the lottery while Detroit drops to 4th (since I don't think they would do the trade I'm bout to post), and say Buffalo wins 3rd overall.

Now say Ottawa wants to use some current assets to move up in the draft from 13th to 6th or 7th and again from there to 3rd.

Ott : 13th overall in 2020, 2021 2nd, 2020 3rd, Chlapic, Duclair

Lak or Ana : 2020 6th overall or 20207th overall

Then,

Ott : 2020 6th or 7th overall, L. Brown, zaitsev, Gustafson, 3rd best 2020 2nd

Keep in mind the move up only happens if Ottawa were to win the other 2 outright in lottery giving them all 3 and the chance to make history.

The reason I have Detroit drop to 4th here is because the too desperately need the star power and I doubt for that reason they would move at all given how high they are on stutzle. But Buffalo I can see doing this trade because on paper they are loaded with talent but lack a true starting goalie. What this trade does for them is it gives them a top 6 potential center anyway in brown so losing out on stutzle or Byfield won't hurt as much, plus they get a potential starting goalie in Gustafson, a NHL bottom 6 dman, and they add a late 2nd rounder just to move down 4 to 4 spots in the draft. It's a no brainer for Buffalo as even by that point there is guaranteed to be a stud left. They would end up with either Raymond, Rossi, Drysdale, Holtz, or Askarov, all of which would be amazing for them.

And Ottawa would make history and get the bonified best 3 in the draft in Lafreniere, Byfield, and Stutzle. But I would leave all 3 develope 1 more year in junior while the main team has 1 more horrible year and go for Owen Power in next year's draft before bringing all 4 up together with the likes of Docker, Branstrom, Formenton, Norris, Thompson, Balcers, and Batherson.

What do you all think? Is this realistic or would I have to add to the first trade? 2nd trade I believe should be more than enough to get the job done as there is a lot of good stuff there. Again remember this is hypothetical if those scenerios go as stated.

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28 May 2020 17:25:48
I wish I could delete this post, lol.

28 May 2020 18:58:34
Why would they even want to acquire the 3rd overall pick if they win 1st and 2nd? Also you’d have to give up a lot more to move up.

28 May 2020 19:09:50
Loooool not even close bud, sorry try again.

29 May 2020 04:10:10
If Ottawa gets #1 and #2, they have no need to move up to #3. The problem would be 3 years after they bring them up, they're probably paying 3 almost identical contracts, which will be ridiculous or bridges.

Usually when players play together and get contracts together, they're close. Kane and Toews did it. Monahan and Gadreau got super close deals. Ottawa would have a Male leafs problem, too much cap % to a couple stars.

31 May 2020 01:35:47
Ok monkeyful that is understandable but it's not like they will need those contracts right away though. Entry contracts are 3 years long. When those 3 years are up Ryan, anismov, Anderson, boadker, zaitsev, and hainsey contracts will be off the books by then, and the cap will be up a bit too. With those contracts sens are at the floor now. That's like 35 million right there roughly which would be more than enough for all 3. And they wouldn't even be back at the floor yet, with tkachuck they'd be near the floor.

31 May 2020 01:55:25
Vbbvbb When you say it would take a lot more I'm assuming you mean the 13th to 6th or 7th could use more? Maybe a little bit but not as much as you like to think. And the 6th or 7th to 3rd trade, if you think that needs more I really want to know your dealers phone number? Or did you buy all the good stuff already?

Logan Brown is a future top 6 center

Gustafson is a future starting goalie

The 6th or 7th pick is not far from the value of the 3rd pick this year. Byfield and Lafreniere sure but Stutzle, Raymond, Drysdale, Rossi, And Holtz, the difference is so small it's nearly non existent. Stutzle has a slight edge but that is it.

Throwing in a 2nd in the deepest draft since 03, plus Brown, Gustafson, and a serviceable NHL dman in zaitsev. There's not 1 thing wrong with that trade. Infact anyone with half a brain would say that is what we call an overpayment!

As for the 13th look how deep this draft is dude you got Perfetti, Gunler, Sanderson, Askarov, Holloway, Quinn, Mercer, and Lindell all of which have top 10 skill level and would be top 10 ay other year. So the difference between any of them and the 6th or 7th pick is not much bigger than the gap between 7th and 3rd.

So adding a 2nd, a 3rd, a depth prospect, and a middle 6 goal scorer with speed to again should be more than enough. Maybe add what? Nick Paul? Or Christian Jarod? Or maybe Johnny Tychonic? Anymore than that is way too much, so please, lay off the drugs dude, they mess with your head.

31 May 2020 02:09:37
EP, how is that not close? Please tell me. Top 20 guys mostly have top 6 potential. Guaranteed top 15 do. Moving up 4 to 6 spots each time and adding the pieces I did helps all teams involved. It don't take a kings ransom to get that done dude. Rossi is not much better than Lundell, and Stutzle is not that much better than Rossi. So why would the picks where they are projected to go be worth more than the price I mentioned above?

Duclair was Ottawa's second best player this year and adding him to the 13th overall, as well as a b- to b prospect in chlapic, and a 2nd, and a 3rd should be enough to move to at least 7th.

And considering Lafreniere >> Byfield > Stutzle =/ > Drysdale = Raymond = Rossi = Holtz

7th to 3rd is NOT a huge leap in skill, so adding a B+ to A- prospect like Brown, a B to B+ prospect like Gustafson, a serviceable defense man like Zaitsev, and 2nd round pick in a massively deep draft class is well more than enough to get that deal done. Team that owns the 3rd would be insane to refuse all that and if they did they deserve to be fired no question!

28 May 2020 14:42:42
Dallas Trades
Klingberg

Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Liljegren (AHL)
Abramov (QMJHL)

Thoughts ?

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28 May 2020 15:52:11
It’s going to take a lot more than that.

28 May 2020 16:46:50
Maybe if you switch kerfoot with Kapanen sure but I doubt Dallas dumb enough to take a bum like kerfoot.

28 May 2020 16:59:35
Why would Dallas intentionally weaken themselves by making this trade?

28 May 2020 00:26:34
Habs offer sheet Mantha 5 years 40 million

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28 May 2020 08:56:54
If Habs offer anyone. hopefully its Sergachev.

28 May 2020 17:37:51
A lot of money for Mantha.

28 May 2020 23:45:08
That’s just 0.5 million less then Bergevin offer sheeted Aho for. Yes Mantha is French but he’s also a winger that gets about 20 points less then Aho. I don’t think Mtl should give him 8 million. Even 7 is pushing. He’s a 6 million guy but I get he’s have to overpay to get him trough an offer sheet. I just don’t think it’s bright to give up a first rd pick+ a second rd pick and then having to overpay the guy about 2 million. He would not produce well because soo much pressure would be on his shoulders!

29 May 2020 04:12:05
Montreal should draft and not chase a cup for price when they're not very close. I respect price, but Montreal is not the place he'll win the cup.

29 May 2020 05:52:15
Boy that’s a lot for mantha.

27 May 2020 19:21:17
Jets need a 2C
WPG
Laine

VAN
Horvat

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27 May 2020 19:29:13
JETS could sign defenseman
Hamonic from Manitoba
Edmundson from Manitoba through FA which adds toughness on the blueline if they can re-sign Demelo too.

27 May 2020 19:59:18
Horvat doesn't even start a conversation for Laine.

27 May 2020 20:01:08
Hamonic would only be an option if he is willing to take bottom pairing money and Edmundson isn't needed.

27 May 2020 20:02:34
No from Van.

27 May 2020 20:38:51
I don't think the Jets are looking to move Laine at this time.

27 May 2020 21:26:05
As much as I like Horvat, I can't see Jets doing this. or Canucks. Canucks have a really good 1 2 punch down the center.
Remember Wheeler is getting older, so I don't think Jets are going to want to trade away a dynamic Winger like Laine. I also don't think we have seen the best from Laine. I still believe, if he puts his full effort into it, he could win numerous Richard trophies.

27 May 2020 21:57:07
If Edmonton can’t hold onto RNH then Winnipeg will sign him.

28 May 2020 03:34:55
Would be cool to see what RNH and Ehlers could do on line together. Speed and skilled.

28 May 2020 03:38:21
Horvat is a center. As has been pointed out numerous times by the Jets fans, centers are far more valuable than wingers. I can't see Vancouver trading away the leader of their team for a floater with no defence skills.

28 May 2020 14:52:50
RNH might be a possibility although he probably re-signs in Edmonton. But that would be the general idea, add a 2C without giving up any of our 5 best forwards.

29 May 2020 04:14:45
I personally like horvat better, but laine has more value.

But horvat fixing jets wanting a 2c, makes Canucks need a 2c to replace him. Also laine is young. How much defense did ovie play?

27 May 2020 02:12:33
To Ottawa
Copp
3rd

To Peg
Tierney

Aside from being the better offensive player, Tierney is also the better defensive player. Other than cf%, Tierney has Copp beat in every single category worth mentioning. Same goes for Tierney vs Lowry or Roslovic as well. No doubt about it. Tierney is the better player and would be Jets second line center

Tierney

47.8cf%, 47.8xgf%, 49.01HDCF%, 46.15HDGF%, 43.1%OZSt

Copp

51.79cf%, 46.0xgf%, 42.6HDCF%, 32.43HDGF%, 46.2%OZSt

Lowry

46.3cf%, 40.94xgf%, 34.5HDCF%, 33.3HDGF%, 33.6OZSt

Roslovic

51.5cf%, 43.91xgf%, 36.8HDCF%, 40.0HDGF%, 53.3OZSt.

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27 May 2020 13:50:44
No from Winnipeg. Tierney will likely be looking for $3.5 mil a year on his next contract. Too much money for a 3C.

27 May 2020 15:11:38
But Joe. Right now Lowry is making 3 million. So you wouldn't give Tierney the extra 0.5 million to do a better job?

Also, Copp and Lowry and Roslovic are all due raises this summer or next. What do you think they will be asking for? If any of them ask for over 3 million, then Tierney is not only the better player, he will be cheaper for what he does too.

27 May 2020 15:21:36
And that's why I said when this was brought up 2 or 3 posts down. Maybe after next year if Tierney signs a decent contract and if Lowry and Copp price themselves out, then we could look at bringing him in. Right now it would be wasting a 3rd round pick on a player that won't make a difference.

27 May 2020 15:22:15
Looking at these numbers again, it's actually not surprising that Winnipeg did so bad this year. Like, all three of Winnipeg's players had HDGF% of 40 and under. That is terrible for a full time NHL player that is supposedly a defence first style player.

27 May 2020 15:42:55
Tierney may be better center than Copp but what the Jets really need is a true #2 center. Tierney, Copp, Lowry and Eakin, are a collection of 3/ 4 centers while Roslovic has never been given a chance to be a #2. All this trade would do is exchange similar centers, with similar signing problems and the Jets also give up a 3rd. The Jet would be better off trading for a true #2 center and if Copp, the 3rd and extra pieces could be part of a package to get a 2nd it would be to the Jets advantage to wait.

27 May 2020 16:29:23
Exactly Islandjet. A slightly better 3C doesn't really make any difference and would just be a waste of a 3rd round pick in a deep draft. As we've said all along, if the Jets are going to spend assets it would be on something they need, like a real 2C, not paying a hefty price to marginally upgrade the bottom 6.

27 May 2020 19:10:51
So. we all know that the Jets need a 2C. who do you think they would be able to target Island and Joe?

27 May 2020 19:45:58
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there are any available, so the Jets will likely have to make do in-house. Maybe with Chevy's ties to Chicago they take a look at Strome if he is really available, or if Tampa can't find a way to move salary to keep Cirelli they can look at that, but he would probably be to costly to acquire. Possibly an NHL ready 2C falls to us in the draft or a 2C that none of us know is available becomes available at a reasonable cost.

Most likely the Jets roll with what they have and use a mix of Little (if he comes back), Wheeler, Copp and finally give Roslovic a chance at 2C. I'm also figuring that the Jets likely won't re-sign Eakin.

27 May 2020 22:53:39
Right now Little is the Jets best option as a #2 center. Its just unfortunate that he has very little chemistry playing with Laine and Ehlers. If Roslovic is given a fair chance to play between Laine and Ehlers Little would be a great #3 center. So there is no need to trade for an unproven Tierney as they still have Lowry and Copp. The Jets should possibly look to make an RFA an offer if they still think they need a #2 center.

28 May 2020 03:44:50
Unproven Tierney? He's played 436 games and has averaged over 40 points in each of the last three seasons. His numbers are very good for a #2C. He's a lot more proven than Roslovic and has been playing top six in Ottawa already so is more than capable of running his own line against top competition.

I don't know what you guys expect. You had Stastny and Hayes and lost them both. You aren't going to get a 1b center for the trash you guys offer up as quality players.

28 May 2020 08:59:56
I'm not sold on Tierney. I see him more as a really good 4th line ctr on a good team. He gets more ice time in Ottawa by default.

28 May 2020 16:20:15
He had a 40 point season in San Jose, his stats are actually super underrated. I don’t know anything about him but he’s put up solid numbers.

28 May 2020 16:23:28
Stastny and Hayes wanted too much money for too long a term and the Jets already have Little with that type of contract. The Jets have too many 3/ 4 centers of their own so why add another in Tierney?

26 May 2020 17:50:55
Pit:
Jaden Schwartz

Stl:
2021 2nd
2021 3rd
Kasper Bjorkvist

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27 May 2020 01:48:34
Obvious cap dump. Given what guys like Pageau and others brought at the deadline this year, I have to wonder if this is enough return for an extremely consistent goal scorer and core part of the team the last half decade.

It's probably close enough, and if we decide we need to dump salary, this isn't a bad return. Still, without that 1st round it seems like it's a bit short.

26 May 2020 16:30:44
Honestly I think if the penguins can clear up some cap space they could make a somewhat big splash in Free agency.

To LA:
Bjugstad, Johnson, Murray
To Pitt:
Roy, Moore, 2nd round pick 2020 (Vegas)

Pittsburg signs Tyler Toffoli 6 years 6 mill per

Guentzle-Crosby-Toffoli
Zucker-Malking-Rust
Tanev-Mccann-Horqvist
Moore-Blueger-Simon
*Aston-Reese, Lafferty

Dumoulin-Letang
Petterson-Mario
Rikola-Roy
*FA signing

Jarry
DeSmith

I'm not sure how people value Bjugstad and Johnson, which is why I threw in Murray. Let me know your thoughts on that trade because I'm really not sure how to interpret their contracts.

I just felt LA could use some older players to help with their youth as Brown and Carter are declining very fast. Johnson also brings a physical element that I think they lost when they traded Clifford.

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26 May 2020 19:06:48
No way from LA. Murray doesn’t have a lot of value and Bjustad/ Johnsson have negative value.

26 May 2020 19:11:14
So vb what would be more fair, like if Pittsburgh added the second round pick instead of LA? Like I just want to know what you guys would view as fair.

26 May 2020 23:52:24
Take out everything from LA add a conditional 7th from LA and then Pittsburgh adds to take on 2 dead weight contracts Murray really struggled this season and has little value.

27 May 2020 01:42:57
Yeah. Because Roy and Moore and a late 2nd have so much value that this deal is a fleecing is it VB? If you are getting hung up on small things like the pick that is thrown in, then you are being a wee bit nitty picky don't you think?

27 May 2020 05:28:09
A big free agent splash? toffoli?

27 May 2020 14:29:21
Habby I said a somewhat big splash.

27 May 2020 16:16:16
@Saint Louis fan I honestly didn’t know who Matt Roy was until 2 days ago but statistically he was on of the most efficient dman in the NHL this season. He holds a lot of value. I’d move Andreas Johnsson for him in a heartbeat. Probably Kasperi Kappanen too. What’s murray worth? A 2nd? Those other 2 contacts you’d have to pay to dump. Bjustad and Murray as a package is maybe worth a 7th to a team with a lot of space this season absolutely destroyed Murray’s value. Jack Johnson like Lucic, Neal, Seabrook etc is considered a toxic contract it’d take a 1st to dump him atleast.

27 May 2020 18:57:12
Vb I think your exagerating Johnsons’s contract a bit there, the differences between his contract and guys like Lucic, Erickson and Seabrook is about 3-4 million dollars. It’s not terrible it’s just not a contract most teams would sign him to. I’m not sure why Pittsburgh did it.

Another thing they could do is re-sign Sheary and trade Tanev who hasn’t really seemed to fit into their lineup.

28 May 2020 03:47:20
Did Pittsburgh sign bjugstad or was it Florida? I thought it was Florida.

25 May 2020 14:05:32
Tor:
Ryan Pulock

NYI:
Kasperi Kapanen
Timothy Liljegren

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25 May 2020 16:12:02
I think it’s fair, Pulock’s is a great 2-way guy and would be a great partner for Reilly.

As far as the value goes I think it’s at least very close, I know most people undervalue leafs players on this site though so don’t be surprised if year here them say the islanders would never do that lol.

25 May 2020 16:26:50
I think it’s depends on how much Lilijegreen is valued. If he still has first round value then it’s fair but if he’s heading towards bust territory it’s probably not enough for Islanders.

25 May 2020 17:51:28
how does this help the islanders? I don’t think they would trade their best dman for this.

25 May 2020 18:49:41
No way from Islanders.

25 May 2020 20:06:33
Isles laugh.

25 May 2020 20:10:03
VB, what do you think of Lilijegreen? Do you think he will become the stud top2 défense en he was projected to be earlier in his draft year when he was talked about for the top 3 pick. Or just a solid top 4 D or even not even play in the nhl at all. I see him in a lot of proposed trades so it’s almost like Leafs fans don’t have faith in him anymore. Anybody else wan chimme in?

25 May 2020 20:21:10
It’s not that we don’t have faith in him, he will become a top 4 RHD one day, it’s just we need one right now. That’s the thing, it’s what a lot of prospects go through.

He has value, I think he would be able to fetch an early second round pick. The thing is as soon as you suggest “1st round pick”, even if it’s late, people tend to go nuts. It’s not that much of a difference, just like 5-10 spots away.

26 May 2020 02:43:23
He has top end elite skating and good IQ but doesn’t utilize his skating well offensively and is good defending on the rush.

26 May 2020 13:12:33
Is it safe to compare Lilijegreen to Slava Voynov?

26 May 2020 19:07:54
I can’t comment on Voynov as I haven’t watched him in years.

 


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