NHL rumours 4

03 Jul 2024 21:25:38
Mtl- Anderson 33% retain dvorak

Car- kotkaniemi


Habs sign tarasenko 2year 13m

Anderson get a free start, at 3.8, if he bounce back could be a good depth forward for Carolina. Dvorak can sit in the 3c center

Habs give a last chance to kk, if don't pay out, buy him out next year at 900k a year for the next year 8 years, and free roster spot for younger on bottom 6 forward by trading Anderson.Tarasenko fill a need on the top 6 and will mentor demidov next year

Slaf-suzuki-tarasenko
Caufield -kk-dach
Armia-newhook-roy

03 Jul 2024 21:55:40
Detroit just signed Tarasenko - 2x$4.75M.

04 Jul 2024 00:01:15
I would do Matheson, Anderson, Dvorak
For kotkaniemi and Necas

04 Jul 2024 01:03:05
Habs decline. Absolutely zero interest in KK, but wish him well.

04 Jul 2024 02:02:18
I thought Montreal was getting offers of 1sts and top prospects all day every day for Anderson?

04 Jul 2024 16:44:26
memrusjo . the 1st and top projects were every leaf trade.

05 Jul 2024 23:24:39
Yeah last year Anderson value went down drastically butwith some retention, on a 3rd line, in the north/ south Carolina playstyle, pretty sure he could bounce back to a 15 goal 40 pts a year at 3.8 with some grit that's not that bad.

03 Jul 2024 15:37:28
I have a proposal that involves 4 teams combined here it is.

Anaheim Trades
Vatrano (Columbus)

Chicago Trades
SJones (Columbus)
1st Round Pick 2025 (Anaheim)

Columbus Trades
Laine (Chicago)
Jenner (Toronto)

Toronto Trades
NRobertson (Anaheim)
Kampf (Anaheim)
Liljegren (Chicago)


This is an everything type trade as it's a hockey trade, a cap trade, and a player requesting a trade proposal.


Thoughts ?

03 Jul 2024 15:54:00
Name 1 time in the history of the NHL that you've seen 4 NHL teams involved in a trade at the same time.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

03 Jul 2024 15:56:33
Liljegren literally signed an extension with Toronto 4 days ago, I think if you're willing to trade him less than a week into his new contract you're just exposing your lack of loyalty to players that committed to the Leafs.

You give Treliving a lot of credit for being a smart GM so tell me why you think he would do something like this and demonstrate to every player in the NHL that if you sign with Toronto you're risking being traded elsewhere as fast as you can sign the contract?

Oh I almost forgot you're just going to continue giving me the silent treatment because you cant defend your trades and you hate getting bad feedback.

03 Jul 2024 15:58:58
Columbus loses Jenner? gets Jones and Vartan? I would pass.

03 Jul 2024 16:31:24
balsam8
They signed Monahan and are stacked at Centre is why The Jackets would do this, they add a Top 6 winger, a Top 2 defender in SJones and give up Jenner and Laine who wants out?
Why would they pass that up?

03 Jul 2024 17:25:40
Columbus is stacked at RD too with Severson, Jiricek and Gudbranson lol. They just bought out the best player they got back in the Jones trade because they're giving Jiricek more NHL ice time.

I'm still waiting to hear 1 example of a time in NHL history where 4 teams were involved in the same trade. Take your time no rush. I know you've probably got to sign in to a few burner accounts first to get your believable count up.

03 Jul 2024 21:05:31
NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HAPPENING. LOL.

04 Jul 2024 00:00:51
Nashan
You make a comment like that without reason only LOL?
So let's break it down for you.

Anaheim trades Vatrano on an expiring contract for NRobertson, Kampf and Chicago's 1st Round Pick 2025 and remember Anaheim is in a rebuild.

Chicago trades SJones and their 1st Round Pick 2025 for Laine and Liljegren, yes Chicago like Anaheim is in a rebuild but with what they have done so far they want to quicken that process obviously, adding a Top 6 winger in Laine and a younger Defender isn't bad for them either.

Columbus trades Jenner and Laine and get Vatrano and SJones, a pretty fair trade for them also adding a Top 2 Defenceman as well as a sparkplug like Vatrano to what they have upfront, remember Laine is done in Columbus so to get max value is next to impossible.

Finally Toronto trades NRobertson who also has asked for a trade, Kampf who is a solid 4th liner except for only his cap hit and Liljegren, yes they just signed him but that doesn't mean they won't trade him if need be for Jenner who will help huge in replacing Bertuzzi.


So tell me why this proposal whether it happens or not doesn't make sense for any of the teams involved?

04 Jul 2024 01:28:38
Pinball why do the Leafs always give up spare parts and get the best players back in all your trades?

04 Jul 2024 17:09:53
Island I can tell you right now.

Pinballs answer is going to be something like "only YOU think those players are spare parts. If this trade was made by anyone else it would get overwhelming praise but because it's me you all disagreed with it. "

04 Jul 2024 18:43:42
Jones isn’t going back to Columbus
Chicago rebuilding as well so they aren’t giving up first rounder
You need to stop justifying in leafs favor.

03 Jul 2024 09:29:50
Columbus Blue Jackets :
- Patrik Laine
- 2026 1st Round Pick (Top 10 Protected)

Anaheim Ducks :
- Isac Lundestrom


T Zegras - L Carlsson - T Terry
C Gauthier - M McTavish - P Laine
A Killorn - R Strome - F Vatrano
J Harkins - S Colangelo - B McGinn

P Mintyukov - C Fowler
O Zellweger - R Gudas
B Dumoulin - U Vaakanainen


J Gaudreau - S Monahan - K Johnson
B Jenner - A Fantilli - Y Chinakhov
G Brindley - C Sillinger - K Marchenko
I Lundestrom - S Kuraly - D Voronkov

Z Werenski - D Severson
I Provorov - D Jiricek
J Johnson - E Gudbranson

03 Jul 2024 14:05:17
Are you saying Laine is a cap dump or do you really think Lunderstrom is worth a potential 40 goal guy and a 1st. This is awful. Laine would land a good pick even at his cap hit. A team like Chicago can take the risk because the reward could be huge.

04 Jul 2024 00:22:29
@vbb I’m calling Laine a cap dump in this deal. Back to back 50pt seasons and then missed an entire season while making 8.7M for the next 2 seasons ain’t exactly a steal.

04 Jul 2024 00:42:39
You called Mangiapane a cap dump, so why not Laine?

Laine makes 8.7M and registered 52Pts playing on the 1st Line and PP.
Mangiapane makes 5.8M and registered 40Pts playing on the 3rd Line.
- Both played for a defense-first system on bad teams
- Mangiapane is significantly better defensively
- Laine missed the entire season
- Laine requested a trade so they lost their leverage

Kevin Hayes was dumped with a 2nd, Mikheyev dumped with a 2nd and Walman dumped with a 2nd. It’s a huge risk for any team especially after missing the entire season with that cap hit.

04 Jul 2024 03:13:08
NotACasual maybe take a look at the GP. He was near a PPG on a brutal blue jackets team and same as the year prior he was pacing for 82 PTS. Yes he has injury problems and has off ice issues but Mangiapane is no where’s near a healthy Laine. Are you really trying to say he is?

Like I said 2 years in a row pacing at or near a PPG, still young and completely healthy going into the season. That is the definition of a buy low. A team like Chicago would be stupid not to take him why wouldn’t they.

04 Jul 2024 05:28:20
I’m not saying Mangiapane is as good as Laine but Laine carries a lot of risk that may scare off some teams. Jackets have everything working against them in a potential trade for Laine. Maybe they don’t have to pay for a team to take him but I just threw an idea out there.

04 Jul 2024 15:13:30
They won’t have to pay for him. Like I said their is zero reason why Chicago or San Jose wouldn’t take the risk.

04 Jul 2024 16:22:19
Well considering Chicago only has around $4mill in cap space they can't afford him without maybe giving up AA, but even still they'd have under a mill in cap space after the fact.

As for San Jose why add that contract when there is potentially going to be some big names available next year at free agency that they'd have a tonne of cap room to utilize.

Laine obviously could have a great year and he could also have a mediocre year or just not have a year at all. There's too many unknowns and $8.7mill on a player with that many unknowns just doesn't seem like a smart gamble to make.

04 Jul 2024 17:26:32
Taking a guy that can score 40 is a no brainer for a team that can easily fit his cap for the next two years.

04 Jul 2024 18:44:43
Laine isn’t worth a bag of pucks.

03 Jul 2024 09:16:08
Flames need a defensemen, Avalanche need cap space and some cheap depth.


Calgary Flames :
- Brayden Pachal (775K @ 1 RFA)
- Kevin Rooney (1.3M @ 1 UFA)

Colorado Avalanche :
- Samuel Girard (5M @ 3 UFA)
- 2025 2nd Round Pick (NYR)


J Drouin - N MacKinnon - M Rantanen
G Landeskog - C Mittelstadt - V Nichushkin
M Wood - R Colton - N Kovalenko
P Kelly - K Rooney - L O’Connor

D Toews - C Makar
C De Haan - J Manson
E Brannstrom - B Pachal


A Kuzmenko - N Kadri - Y Sharangovich
J Huberdeau - C Zary - A Mantha
B Coleman - M Pospisil - M Coronato
J Pelletier - M Backlund - R Lomberg

M Weegar - R Andersson
K Bahl - S Girard
J Bean - D Miromanov

04 Jul 2024 16:25:59
Colorado is in cap hell going into Rantanen's contract year so I won't be surprised if they explore a deal to clear cap space like this.

They really need to have the conversation with Landy about his playing future, especially if he gets injured again this year. Great player and leader, but can't seem to escape the injury big.

03 Jul 2024 04:30:32
Marner for Rasmussen, Edvinsson, 1st & 2nd

Robertson for B.Tanev (50% retained) & 2026 3rd round pick.

Leafs dump Jarnkrok.

Offer sheet S.Jarvis 8.538 X 7, leafs compensate with a 1st, 2nd & 3rd.

03 Jul 2024 04:41:45
Retained and a pick. Tanev the better player right now so nope on that one. I think to much for Marner as well.

03 Jul 2024 09:09:03
Detroit says hell no!

03 Jul 2024 13:07:56
Marner would only get them a package that substantial if there was a signed extension and a sign & trade.

And Edvinsson isn't available.

02 Jul 2024 17:45:18
New York Rangers
- Jacob Trouba ($8m until 2026)

Detroit Red Wings
- Jeff Petry ($2.34m until 2025)
- Olli Maata ($3m until 2025)*
- 2025 1st round pick
- Jonathan Berggren (RFA)

*Detroit retains 25% of Maata's salary ($750k)

"Reports over draft weekend indicated the Detroit Red Wings are interested in acquiring Trouba, a Michigan native." - The Score, June 30, 2024


Honestly I don't know how this trade would play out I'm just looking at what Detroit might be willing to move while also realizing Trouba isn't the $8m defenseman he's paid to be anymore.

Petry would need to have NYR off of his 15 team no trade list, and he can't have any more salary retained as both Pittsburgh and Montreal are retaining to create the $2.34 cap hit he currently has.

Maata is he odd man out on the left side with Chiarot, Gustafson and either Edvinsson/Lagesson taking the last spot.

With their prospect pipeline already stockpiled, this might be the year Yzerman is willing to part with a 1st round pick. If prospects are what Drury would want, Mazur and Soderblom might be available but any 1st rounders drafted in the last 3 drafts are not on the trade block.

Drury just made $12.8 million in cap space with Goodrow being waived, but Schneider and Lindgren need new contracts and Miller, Lafreniere and Shesterkin are all eligible to sign extensions now.

I'm thinking 2 bottom pair defensemen, a 23 year old RFA forward and a 1st round pick might not be a quality return for their captain, but the Rangers might value the immediate roster help + no retention on Trouba's contract to be worth it.

This is a short term solution to free up more cap space for New York to keep their core players beyond 2025, and a long term solution for Detroit to bring in Trouba as a top 4 defenseman, a Michigan native, and potentially extend him after this contract ends.

02 Jul 2024 18:16:30
Seen a report that Shesterkin is wanting a huge raise. Like over $11mill. Miller and Laf both likely in the $6-$7mill range now for an extension. Gonna be an interesting situation to navigate for NYR management.

02 Jul 2024 23:05:18
Interesting scenario DRW. It would be a complicated one to pull off. Petry is also a Michigan boy.

I think a more likely scenario is a clean trade of Trouba to a mutually acceptable destination via another to ensure two teams could retain enough to not make a single team take on that gaudy cap hit.

(I. e. CHI by way of MTL, or some other combo of cities, with sweeteners for each. The ultimate destination will have to be a US city since his dad can’t legally travel outside of the U. S. to watch him play, which is why he left WPG to begin with. )

02 Jul 2024 16:02:37
Offer sheet for Pinto
3 years @ 4.5 million
Who tries this. Only cost a second round pick.

02 Jul 2024 17:11:54
They need a roster player back IMO. They got to get out of the basement.

02 Jul 2024 17:15:11
Ottawa matches. 5-6M is interesting tho.

02 Jul 2024 17:20:58
It would be tough to find a team willing to offer sheet him, Ottawa wont forget it and there will be payback when the right player comes along that they'd be willing to offer sheet to return the favor.

03 Jul 2024 00:50:25
Pinto signed.

02 Jul 2024 15:02:14
Clb Laine


Mtl : Anderson-mesar-harris

02 Jul 2024 14:45:54
Anaheim Trades
Vatrano

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Kampf*
Liljegren

*Kampf will have to waive his NTC to complete the transaction.


Anaheim in full rebuild and adding lots of great young promising players add 2 more in this proposal, yes we all know Kampf is a Cap dump for The Leafs but Anaheim has a ton of Cap to take that hit, and Kampf's only problem is his Salary for a team like Toronto not Anaheim as Kampf is still a full time player not a depth center.

Leafs with what they did in Free Agency adding huge on Defense and Goaltending had to sacrifice not being able to sign Bertuzzi, Vatrano on an expiring contract will be what they lost in Bertuzzi in the Top 6 and Treliving will be both needing some Cap relief and get one more player for the top 6.



Thoughts ?

02 Jul 2024 16:04:24
Still same players for everyone in league. Lol.

02 Jul 2024 16:48:03
Nashan
You really don't think Anaheim gets the best in this proposal long term?
They are trading a 30 year old Winger on an expiring contract for 3 players 2 of them more long term upside then Vatrano.
Are you forgetting that The Ducks are in a rebuild and rebuilding teams always look to keep the rebuild going forward and trade older assets for the future?
When Toronto years ago had Kessel what did they do to start a rebuild?
Anaheim is no different in their situation, The Leafs do it because they are in a win now window plus need Cap relief.
You can disagree with me which is up to you but honestly this proposal will help both teams, and it's not one sided imo as you are probably thinking.

02 Jul 2024 17:24:40
Vatrano gels with the locker room. He's not likely to replicate his shooting % from last year or goal production, but you can look to Vatrano for at least 40-60 points in the Ducks top 6.

And if/ when Anaheim is ready to shop Vatrano, they'll garner a lot more interest at the trade deadline.

He's worth more to the Ducks than the yard sale items you're shopping from the Leafs. You'll see whats up when Robertson is traded for at best a 3rd round pick.

02 Jul 2024 17:28:37
Anaheim takes that in a heartbeat. There still won't be a deal as Toronto just signed Lilly. Be hard pressed to trade him so fast.

02 Jul 2024 20:02:07
Quiet Guy
Liljegren was a RFA not a UFA so it was more business so other teams in a trade know the exact dollar amount imo.
And Toronto I believe takes that trade in a heartbeat as well for where they are, it's a trade that helps both teams.

03 Jul 2024 14:56:46
Love the idea of adding Vatrano. Unsure whether or not the Ducks unload him this summer or at the deadline. Lily shouldn't be dealt at this point. Just signed recently and with the news of our newly acquired giant potentially having some uncertainty around his knees we'll need Lily on the right side. And though Kampf is an everyday NHLer he's still a 4th line player on most teams so it's gonna cost us something to unload him. Don't expect us to trade him until end of preseason based on how our younger centers perform and whether or not they can make the jump to full-time NHLer.

02 Jul 2024 03:41:26
To Montreal- Askarov


To Nashville- Primeau- Harris - Hage, 2025 2nd

02 Jul 2024 03:59:48
Sorry. I recant haha.

02 Jul 2024 01:51:40
EDM - Kane

CAR - Burns.

02 Jul 2024 03:42:52
I like it.