NHL rumours 4

16 Nov 2023 21:54:01
Lindholm and Tanev both 50% retained.

For

Kulak, McLeod , 2 1sts, 3 2nds, Bourgault, Campbell, Lavoie

Lindholm for 1st and 2nd
Tanev for Kulak, McLeod 2nd
To take Campbell- 1st,2nd, Bourgault, Lavoie

16 Nov 2023 23:36:37
wow. that's a lot for 2 UFAs.

17 Nov 2023 00:26:03
Edmonton also gets out of a awful Campbell contract.

17 Nov 2023 14:23:43
I guess I would be somewhat surprised if EDM & CGY come together on a major trade.

They’ve made 3 smaller ones in their history, but I think it would be challenging to complete a transformative trade with your provincial rival.

17 Nov 2023 15:26:46
Campbell and a 1st/ 2nd for Markstrom. Lol same style as the Lucic Neal trade.

18 Nov 2023 15:31:45
Except Lucic and Neal were serviceable NHLers and Campbell isn’t even a serviceable AHLer. Markstrom is also better then all 3. 4 1sts is the price to dump Campbell.

19 Nov 2023 15:22:12
No team would ever trade 4 1st over buying him out. Lol.

19 Nov 2023 17:58:13
No contender wants dead cap space of a buy out his buy out is long enough for rebuilders to cause an issue down the road. Oilers are in a tough spot.

19 Nov 2023 20:50:48
- Agree with EBS.

- Some rosters just have too many mistakes to fix with trades, buyouts or both.

- A hard cap means there’s less room for error than ever.

- Eventually you get to a point where you can’t fill one hole without creating another.

16 Nov 2023 15:29:50
Arizona Trades
Dumba*

Toronto Trades
Brodie**
Reaves
1st Round Pick 2024


*Arizona retains 50% of Dumba's expiring contract.

**Brodie would have to waive his NTC otherwise it's a no go obviously.


With The Leafs needing more toughness on Defense as well as some better Cap flexibility this proposal makes sense, with Timmons close to coming back, if they are interested in signing PKane they should have enough after this proposal also, yes they would also have to add a 1st Rounder otherwise Arizona wouldn't agree to this proposal.

Arizona really helps themselves getting a 1st Round Pick in the big picture with really only Cap Space being used which doesn't hurt them this year or after in their situation.



Thoughts ?

16 Nov 2023 21:52:09
Dumba is terrible he doesn’t make the leafs, Flames or oilers roster. Not me being a bias leaf’s fan he’s actually very bad at the NHL level. No contender will trade for him he really fell off hard. Awful defensively and as you can see his offence has completely fell off a cliff as well. Brodie averaging 22 minutes a night for the leafs is there best dman defensively and is invaluable to there success. Without him they become the oilers.

14 Nov 2023 18:30:56
Heard some rumblings and figured I throw it out there

Edmonton receives:
Allen @ 50% retained
2024 MTL 3rd conditional

(Conditional - if Edmonton makes playoffs, the 3rd turns into a 2024 MTL 2nd)

Montreal receives:
Bourgault.

14 Nov 2023 22:37:42
uhh what? if you Edmonton makes the playoffs why would Montreal pay a higher pick? Lol

13 Nov 2023 22:13:03
Oilers trade Campbell, Broberg or Bourgault and Holloway

Sharks trade Duclair and Blackwood

14 Nov 2023 10:42:17
Done deal by oilers in my eyes.

25 Nov 2023 05:14:49
Oilers need defense and goal tending.

13 Nov 2023 21:12:43
Flames retool underway:

To SJ: Dillon Dube (rfa)
To Cgy: Anthony Duclair (ufa), conditional 3rd 2025 (if duclair signs with cgy, sj keeps the pick. If duclair walks as a FA, cgy gets the pick. Offsets the team control aspect.
..........
To Tor: nikita Zadorov + 2024 4th
To Cgy: 2024 1st + minten/abruzzes + klingberg (cap dump)

Or

To NJ: nikita Zadorov + 2024 4th
To Cgy: 2024 1st + Arseni Gritsyuk + Brendan Smith (cap dump)
..........
To Van: Chris tanev
To cgy: 2024 1st + hunter brzustewicz + anthony beauvillier (cap dump)

Or

To Tor: Chris Tanev
To cgy: 2024 1st + topi niemela + klingberg (cap dump)
............
To CBJ: Elias Lindholm
To Cgy: Kent Johnson + Andrew Peeke
..........
To Nash: Noah Hanifin
To Cgy: Dante Fabbro + 2024 1st (top 5 protected) + Philip Tomosino

Or

To Nj: noah hanifin + 2024 6th
To Cgy: 2024 1st + Seamus Casey + Arseni Gritsyuk + Brendan Smith (Cap dump)
............
Post deadline flames:
Huberdeau-Johnson-duclair
Zary-kadri-mangiapane
Pelletier/tomasino-backlund-coleman
Pospisil-ruzicka/beauvillier-duehr

Weegar-anderson
Smith/klingberg-Peeke
Smith/lingberg-Fabbro/Klingberg

Futures not on roster Added
3 firsts (teams dealt with may vary), potential 3rd based on the duclair deal, brzustewicz/niemela, Gritsyuk/tomasino, gritsyuk/minten or abruzzese

Move mangiapane the following year for a 1st a d prospect. If anyone throws an asset to take Coleman or Kadri you take it. Assumed hubby is unmoveable.

Yes I'm biased. Thanks for letting me know

15 Nov 2023 23:08:18
Dube stinks. I’d much rather Duclair.

Zadorov fetches a 3rd max

Tanev fetches a 2nd max

Hanifin fetches a 1st max

Lindholm to CBJ doesn’t make much sense and Idk if I would give up Johnson for him.

16 Nov 2023 01:02:12
Hockey dad need to do some research into recent trades. Ben Charot got a first prospect and a third. Tanev and Zadorov close, Hanifin more.

16 Nov 2023 03:28:07
@Hockey_Dads yeah nah, you’re way off

16 Nov 2023 04:17:32
Charot was coming off a Stanley cup final where he was the habs #2 dman ( ice time ) . Edmonston got a 3rd and Zadarov/ him are comparable. Tanev gets a 1st and so does Hanfin. But it won’t be much more then a 1st for either.

20 Nov 2023 05:02:05
Guess we’ll see. Feel free to @ me when they happen.

22 Nov 2023 20:58:04
Absolutely moronic. There is NO CHANCE Van gives up all of that for Tanev. Nobody would. Keep dreaming.

13 Nov 2023 03:38:56
To Edmonton
Jake Allen
Jordan Harris

To Montreal
Jack Campbell
Xavier Bourgeault
2nd in 24
3rd in 25

13 Nov 2023 15:42:45
too much coming back Montreals way.

13 Nov 2023 18:24:01
No need for Harris, so drop him and a pick and you have a deal!

14 Nov 2023 14:51:08
I tend to agree with EBS on this one.

Whatever move EDM makes they are dealing from a position of weakness. They’ll be forced into a painful deal to sacrifice some futures (prospects or picks) to undo some past errors. They have no choice to buy to address the current state or the team. Whatever they do it will be fascinating.

15 Nov 2023 04:44:27
Not enough to dump Campbell I’d imagine they’d need to attach Bouchard or 2 1sts to dump that contract.

15 Nov 2023 15:28:02
Armia instead of Harris? Plus the Oils recent 1st round French Canadian pick and a 2nd is a decent package! It’ll help Montreal get Celebrini!

15 Nov 2023 19:40:37
I’m sure you’re jumping to do that ebsoultly. I think it’d take Celebrini to get out of that contract.

16 Nov 2023 04:14:35
It’s brutal for sure but the buyout isn’t that bad. If Montreal can get a good package to take him, have him suck for a year, draft high then buy him out, it might not be the worst decision. Add a bad contract on there end to ease the pain. Oil might just have to buy him out there self, which I’d be okay with.

17 Nov 2023 00:28:36
If you buy him out you’ll be paying dead cap for what? 6-7 years? No teams gonna do that without massive compensation.

17 Nov 2023 12:01:25
6 years at a cap hit around 1.5 to 2M I believe. That’s why I think it would be a good idea to retain 50% on Campbell if there was an agreement to buy him out. Less cost to dump him and not a bad buyout cost. Nashville bought Duchene out with I think 3 years remaining and Minnesota did it with Parise and Suter recently.

12 Nov 2023 22:16:35
Calgary Trades
Zadorov*
2nd Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Liljegren

*Flames retain 50% of Zadorov's expiring contract.


With Zadorov both being an upcoming UFA and his trade demands Calgary would have to retain salary and add a draft pick imo.
Liljegren is an upcoming RFA so his value is worth more than Zadorov at this stage, plus a younger Defenceman as well.


Thoughts ?

13 Nov 2023 01:22:58
Good thing you are not the Flames GM. Retain and throw in a draft pick. Not a chance. Would rather just keep him for nothing.

13 Nov 2023 02:12:24
I don’t see why Calgary adds the pick lol especially if they’re retaining salary and there’s more teams interested.

13 Nov 2023 17:44:04
Usually the team retaining salary gets the pick, and especially if they are a good player. are you dyslexic or this an actual thought of yours?

14 Nov 2023 20:21:28
Would much, much rather keep Lilijgren the leafs need him. Only good RHD in there system.

12 Nov 2023 20:16:00
Arizona is interested in Hanifin, Vancouver/Toronto are interested in Tanev and Zadorov.


CGY : Noah Hanifin
ARI : 2024 1st, 2024 2nd & Dylan Guenther

CGY : Chris Tanev
TOR : 2024 1st, Fraser Minten & John Klingberg

CGY : Nikita Zadorov (50% Salary Retained)
VAN : 2024 3rd & Aatu Raty

13 Nov 2023 18:09:05
Holy god these are awful. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone overvalue a UFA this much in my life.

Zandorov trade is good tho.

14 Nov 2023 02:45:09
The Taney to Toronto seems fair, Toronto would give klingberg away for free if they could, so minten for tanev and 1st to clear room to get rid of a bad contract. Problem is Toronto doesn't want to trade picks or prospects so probably end up in New jersey. They have assets flames want and cap room. I was gonna say zadorov for klingberg, Robertson and a 2nd but leafs have none.

22 Nov 2023 20:59:02
No chance Van gives up Raty + for a bottom pair rental. Zadorov, at best, is a #4 D man and that's a stretch.

11 Nov 2023 15:08:25
Edm draisatl, Campbell, 1st
Bos Pasternak, swaymam, 1st.

11 Nov 2023 19:09:45
Big no from Bruins.

13 Nov 2023 15:43:55
big no from Oilers.

13 Nov 2023 17:57:52
Not terrible for big names but ntc and stuff never happen, Boston get the best player at a cheaper price but give up a younger goalie that is 1.5 mil cheaper this year but probably makes as much or more than Campbell next year. Draisaitl free agent after next season and will probably get 1.5 million more than pasta after that. Oilers need a goalie but Draisaitl is worth way more than pasta at the moment being a center and better offensively and defensively. Campbell still has 3 more years after this. Pros and cons for both teams but way better for Boston. Better player, have 2 good goalies so can trade 1, and they'll most likely get a much better draft pick.

11 Nov 2023 13:59:30
To Edmonton oilers
Roman joss
To Nashville
Nurse , 2nd pic and Bromberg

11 Nov 2023 21:49:33
Awful that doesn’t even dump Nurses contract.

11 Nov 2023 07:54:08
welp, Zadorov trade packages anyone?

11 Nov 2023 21:53:27
3rd round pick is his value imo I’ve warmed up to him think he’s a solid player but he’s still a overpaid 3rd pairing dman. If he’s in your top 4 your teams not making it past the 2nd round. Very good physical PK specialist but just isn’t good enough to shut down top lines. He’s a very, very good #5 dman.

Do not want his cap hit on the leafs but off the top of my head Dallas could use him.

A team will overpay for him and give a 2nd tho.

12 Nov 2023 19:34:39
Hard to imagine a good pk guy and tenth in defenseman goals last year wouldn't in most teams top 4. Been a plus player for 6 seasons in a row. Vbb just hates alberta teams. Nurse is a cap dump and zadorov is barely an nhler.

13 Nov 2023 18:15:41
Nurse is the worst contact in the NHL and it’s not even close. He is equivalent to a prime Jack Johnson and getting paid 9 million a season. Zandorov is the 5th dman on a putrid flames roster maybe even 6 with Kylington above him. So no if he’s the 6th dman on the flames no he’s not a top 4 dman on a cup caliber team.

13 Nov 2023 20:59:15
Well nurse is overpaid but last 3 years hes over .50 ppg and over +70. Hardly worst contract. And some people think Toronto is a cup contender and zadorov would be their 2nd best defenseman. Nurse should be around 6.5-7.

15 Nov 2023 01:45:21
Nurse is overpaid but I think there were a couple comparables in the 9’s. I think 8M would’ve be closer.

17 Nov 2023 15:57:40
The marner contract is also one of the leagues worst.