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13 Oct 2019 22:23:05
MTL:Weber(1.5 million retain), 2rd2020,

Buff: Risto

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13 Oct 2019 22:47:38
Montreal: Tatar
Buff: Risto.

13 Oct 2019 23:13:08
Buffalo has too many defensemen as it is. They want to move a defenseman for a forward. Maybe something like Drouin or Domi and Poehling or Suzuki for Ristolainen.

13 Oct 2019 23:22:45
Buffalo doesn't need another RhD and neither does montreal. price and weber are tight. montreal or their fanbase hasn't complained about weber or his cap hit so why start now.

Sorry to be this guy but for once i say montreal passes. weber is a legit top pairing regardless of his age. until he actually shows he is slowing down weber is a montreal lifer unless deal blows montreal over rhe top.

13 Oct 2019 23:03:47
Yeah I don't think mil does that lol.

14 Oct 2019 15:14:09
I would pull the trigger on this trade if I was the Habs GM. I doubt Sabres GM would though unless Habs add Leihkonen.

14 Oct 2019 16:21:44
Weber’s contract is a massive boat anchor and if he retires early the team he is on at the time gets hit with a recapture penalty against there cap. Just to get out from Webers contract is good enough reason to make this trade.

14 Oct 2019 18:01:53
Actually hockey fanatic. If Weber retires before the contract is up it is Nashville that gets hit with the cap repercussions. Just like Vancouver and luango situation.

15 Oct 2019 00:54:57
Actually CTC it’s both teams. Just look at Florida’s salary. They have a recapture penalty of about $1M. It’s both the team that signed him, and the team that has him on roster at retirement.

15 Oct 2019 18:35:56
if weber retires this would be what is owed to both teams

20-21 nash 4.1 mont .762
21-22 nash 4.91 mont .543
22-23 nash 6.14 mont .215
23-24 nash 8.19 mont 0
24-25 nash 12.29 mont 0
25-26 nash 24.57 mont 0

thats the breakdown if weber decides to retire
the 23-24,24-25,25-26 seasons only 1 million is owed in actual cash each year to weber and since those years don't affect montreal . weber may retire. what would nashville do?

16 Oct 2019 03:57:55
Well before weber actually announces his retirement they could work out a deal with Montreal and weber and send idk a couple 1st round picks to Montreal for weber and put him on ltir for 3years.

16 Oct 2019 16:45:53
How did you get those numbers? Is there a formula? I’d like to know how to make that calculation too.

16 Oct 2019 20:55:30
Nashville won’t be able to do anything. Although 24.57 sounds like it is over the max a team can pay a player. So I’m sure Nashville might be able to appeal that last one somehow. If I’m not mistaken, 20%*85.5=17.1. So if Weber is a 24.57 million cap hit, he exceeds the 20%.

Does anyone else think it’s unfair the nhl put these retirement rules with recapture penalties into affect after the contracts were signed, just to punish teams for doing what was allowed by the cba at the time?

13 Oct 2019 20:08:07
WPG: Ehlers
BUF: Ristolainen.

Thoughts?

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13 Oct 2019 20:25:27
Tor Nylander
Buff Risto.

13 Oct 2019 22:04:59
Risto >>>>> Ehlers

Ehlers is a sack of potatoes. He had his fifteen minutes. He was a flash in the pan. If he breaks fifty again I would be surprised. He’s a third line player on a contending team.

13 Oct 2019 20:27:14
Ed: RNH
Buff: Risto.

13 Oct 2019 20:30:13
Det: Athanasiou and a #1 pick
Buff: Risto.

13 Oct 2019 20:31:57
Mont: Domi
Buff: Risto.

13 Oct 2019 20:34:15
Cal: Lindholm
Buff: Risto.

13 Oct 2019 23:29:02
Lmao Island. Nylander, Nuge, Lindholm, Domi, AA, 1st are all better than Ehlers. 🤷‍♂️😂.

13 Oct 2019 23:30:39
Thoughts. no. buffalo adds a few prospects and picks

Then. no . nylander at 700K owed this year. no again
Then. no. buffalo adds a few prospects RNH worth more but not ehlers more
Then. no. anthanasiou for risto and prospect maybe. i know was a joke
Then. no. montreal doesn't need rhd. risto plus 1st maybe just for fun
Then. yes. why not. just for fun to get calgary fans to be pissed off for once.

14 Oct 2019 02:00:14
Lol Ehlers is a top 6 player on any team.

13 Oct 2019 23:05:03
Laine

For

Risto.

14 Oct 2019 15:41:34
Please stop the silly Risto trade posts.

14 Oct 2019 16:22:55
Sure. Soon as you guys stop with the silly Risto replies.

14 Oct 2019 17:30:56
This was fun guys, let’s do it again soon.

14 Oct 2019 17:33:27
I was really looking forward to some Marcus tears tho. I feel a little let down.

13 Oct 2019 15:18:04
When Hyman returns from injured reserve.

New Jersey Trades
Severson
5th Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
Kapanen
Ceci

Devil's need a some more offense upfront but would need a RHanded Shooting Defenceman coming back Trading Severson.

Leafs get some much needed Cap Space plus improve on Defense and Hyman takes over from Kapanen on the Tavares Line.


Thoughts ?

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13 Oct 2019 16:34:09
Not a bad trade. is severson much of an improvement from ceci? I say yes but enough for adding in kapanen? I say no but i'm sure there will be much differing opinions on this.

Hyman comes back and leafs need to shed 2.25-750k=1.5 million no matter what. This deal does that plus gives toronto 2 million or so.

So what do leafs do with extra 2 million? I like they play to the max so now how do the leafs add 2 million.

At least this deal gives them more possibilities.

13 Oct 2019 17:41:25
I really like Ceci but I acknowledge Severson is the better player.

13 Oct 2019 20:06:33
Poor Reilly. Imagine he had a solid partner.

13 Oct 2019 22:08:31
Why would Jersey need a right handed defense coming back? They have Subban and Vatanen still. That’s why Severson might be available. Kapanen doesn’t make them contenders and Ceci is a cap dump.

13 Oct 2019 23:35:33
Fair enough. kap for severson straight up. if that's not enough add low level prospects to stotts or kral. if severson not needed should be no issue . toronto needs to cover 700K though. or cap don't work.

14 Oct 2019 02:01:46
With the way Ceci has been playing he’s definitely not a cap dump atleast not to the leafs.

14 Oct 2019 16:25:04
Then he would be a bottom line player at over 4 mill? Starting a new trend at massively overpaying depth players again vb?

15 Oct 2019 00:34:20
He’s on the top pairing? What are you talking abouT?

15 Oct 2019 12:21:31
Sorry vb. I thought you posted. It was Pinball. If Ceci goes to NJ then he is a third line player behind Subban and Vatanen.

13 Oct 2019 11:17:41
Win:Vesalainen,Roslovic,Appleton

Buff:Ristolainen

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13 Oct 2019 15:40:31
Can a trade offer for useless Risto be any more one sidedly and biased against the Jets? Wow, I can't believe this stupid, stupid post.

13 Oct 2019 16:37:12
No matter how much you try to push it, the Jets have zero need for bottom pairing defensemen.

The Jets wouldn't give any one of those three players for Risto, let alone all 3.

I know you think Risto is comparable to Seth Jones, Mantha. But that just shows how absolutely terrible you are at assessing players abilities.

13 Oct 2019 16:38:11
LOL

Cant trade ehlers straight up
Cant trade ehlers even if buffalo adds young prospects or picks
Cant trade this proposal because these 3 guys are amazing
Cant trade lower level prospects who "might" be on jets by 2020-21

Starting to think Jets fans just don't want Ristolainen so why does his name keep being plugged in trades to the Jets.

13 Oct 2019 17:01:35
I think you're exaggerating again Craigger. When has a trade been proposed where Buffalo adds picks or prospects to Ristolainen for Ehlers?

It's not a good look when you have to exaggerate and lie because you don't have anything objective or worthwhile to add to the discussion.

Although you are correct the Jets don't even have a passing interest in Ristolainen.

13 Oct 2019 17:03:28
Craigger12 I'm glad you understand that the Jets wouldn't want this mistake pron, -50 plus/ minus who gets $5.4 mil per and is a turnover machine. Let Buffalo keep him or trade him to a team that needs a downgrade in their defense.

13 Oct 2019 17:44:07
But, Risto would be a top pairing D on Winnipeg 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️.

13 Oct 2019 18:24:34
Maybe take out Appleton, Vesalainen and Roslovic would be good value for Risto.

13 Oct 2019 19:48:05
mamarcusjoe,
You got to cool it down a bit. I was actually sticking up for winnipeg stating if none of these 4 options makes any jets fan happy than maybe the risto rumor mill should stop turning.

By the way ehlers roslovic for ristolainen was the proposal. i said if ehlers is involved than buffalo better cough up 2 young prospects to make it happen. thompson was one and i can't remember the other but 2 anyhow. Someone, have know clue who, stated that's still not enough if ehlers is involved. i said ok.

So yeah, if i over exaggerated what I've seen as the value being offered in this endless ristolainen pointless debate than i appologise but for the record i was on winnipegs side. if you guys don't want risto its now been made pretty apparent by 3-4 fans not just one. If 1 person disagrees with me its fine but if more come on in and disagree than point has been made

Vertius, that's the best way to put this trade. loved it

I still like ristolainen and think he will turn it around +/ - wise as buffalo gets better but hey i'm on my own island.

13 Oct 2019 20:01:52
Okay then Craigger, I misunderstood you then, sorry about that.

I thought you were saying Jets fans were being unreasonable turning down all these great deals.

I agree though about ending the bad Risto proposals. We have no interest in him, so proposing the same deals over and over again with slight variations isn't very productive and really isn't interesting to discuss.

13 Oct 2019 20:41:34
Its all good. some of those deals wher unbearable. lol.

13 Oct 2019 23:06:55
It’s funny how Memarcusjoe keeps talking like he speaks for WPG. ‘We have no interest in Ristolainen” my ass. You don’t know what WPG wants, get out of your delusions. And I know damn well no one on this site cares what your biased ass wants, so I hope the proposals continue, just so I can keep watching you cry daily.

14 Oct 2019 16:27:13
^vertius said it best.

14 Oct 2019 20:13:06
Vertius said it well

14 Oct 2019 23:55:23
on what planet would the jets not want risto with the state their d is in. if all it costs are prospects who won't have any impact for 2-3 years i don't see how bad it could be.

moving from the armpit of america to the armpit of canada has some advantages.

13 Oct 2019 01:01:08
MTL:Tatar,Fleury,2rd2020

Winnipeg: Ehlers


Just value wise

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13 Oct 2019 05:34:31
Tatar is 28, a winger, very ordinary and 2 years from UFA and Fleury is a nothing special defensive prospect. So, in other words pretty terrible value.

If you wanted to be close in value, you would have to start with a 2C/ top 4D around the same age and skill level as Ehlers.

13 Oct 2019 07:18:12
That’s good value for Ehlers, though considering how weak Winnipeg’s D is, if any winger gets moved, an NHL D will need to come back. FLeury is a good prospect, but prospects don’t really help Winnipeg right now.

13 Oct 2019 14:15:39
2 years of Tatar at 5 million, a young top 4 D in the making and a second rounder is not bad for a 30 goal player imo.

13 Oct 2019 16:24:04
Another dumb post trying to get the Jets to give away a young, relatively inexpensive player signed for 5 more years in Ehlers for Tatar and average prospect and a 2nd. No way the Jets do this joke of a trade.

13 Oct 2019 17:15:52
Tatar replaces ehlers points for 2 years then the so called amazing prospects i keep reading around here that the jets have take over

Jets gain Fleury who is the 2017-18 coming out party version of josh morrisey this season only plays RHD.

Then montreal hands winnipeg a 2nd rounder to add to what I've also read around here a very deep prospect pool the jets have.

Personally i think either you're really attached to ehlers or you simply think winnipeg can't replace tatar in 2 years with their so called deep prospect pool. its one or the other. pick one.

13 Oct 2019 19:12:43
It's neither Craigger. It's that Tatar is 28 and has never produced, save his career year last season, anywhere close to Ehlers and is 2 years from UFA.

Yes, if you're an idiot that trade might make sense. But objectively no one being honest would make that trade from a Jets point of view.

Again in terms you might understand. Would you accept that deal (value wise) for Nylander?

13 Oct 2019 20:25:57
Tatar had 19g 39p sophmore year playing 3rd line on pretty good detroit team . he became a 25-29 goal scorer 45-56 point player on diminshing Detroit team that each year kept losing a star. He had 1 bad year on a horrible detroit team got dealt and was playing 3rd line on a stacked vegas team that went to the cup. Last year he played great and if you see him play he plays gritty so his points don't tell hole story

Ehlers is a 60 point player coming off a down year but has never had bad playing partners. when you get to play with a cast of studs you get points. When they slump you slump. he still is a good player young and on goid contract

Both players are fast and skilled and have an edge to their game. this deal isn't for each other. montreal adds a rhd man and a 2nd rounder.

mamarcusjoe,
You didn't get what i was writing. Tatar replaces ehlers points for 2 years and if winnipeg is confident one of their prospects will step up by then, then getting fleury and a 2nd looks like a steal for basically nothing.

As for you resorting to toronto again, ill write this
If i was confident leafs had a replacement for tatar in 2 years ready to go then yes this is a done deal. tatar will get nylanders points for 2 years then get replaced by someone who is a prospect now to take that spot. getting fleury and 2nd for basically nothing would be amazing. if production is never lost then did you really lose anything.

Problem is unless sheldon keefe coaches the leafs guys like bracco, robertson, sda, korchkov just will never get that chance to be that guy in 2 years.

I simply don't have as high hopes that the leafs have a prospect ready to go in 2 years, the way you hype the jets prospects, to replace nylande/ tatar production on matthews wing. making it appear by you that winnipeg would making this a good deal. Its no biggy though, you just have to stop with misreading what is really being written because in the end you either are confident in winnipegs prospects to replace ehlers/ tatar production in 2 years or you're not.

Im not on torontos end at this time.

13 Oct 2019 20:49:34
Remember even though nylander has a cap hit of 6.9 he is actually only owed 700K this season as 8 million was paid on july 1st.12 million last year was paid to him.

5 years for 28 million actual cash owed is a steal.

This doesn't matter to montreal as they are rich but for any team not in cap trouble and are cash strapped nylander would be a good target. His value is more than ehlers for his kind of reason. not much more but just a snig.

Again, if toronto had a prospect they deemed they're next top 6 RW who they think is ready in 2 years than i think tatar and fleury with a 2nd works pretty good. also if that prospect doesn't work out theyd have 6.9 million to replace that spot beside matthews. either way. its all good. just a conversation of sorts. lol.

13 Oct 2019 22:46:19
Craigger, the problem is that Tatar doesn't replace Ehlers points for the next 2 years. If you set aside Tatar's career year last season, he is a 40 point player trending down.

While Ehlers at 23 is a 60 point player when you set aside his injury plagued year last season and is only getting better. So, you're about 20 points minimum low there and there's a much, much better chance that Ehlers returns to form and even exceeds it, than there is of Tatar exceeding or even repeating his career season.

So, giving up a young 60 point winger for a 28 year old declining winger, just to pick up a prospect who projects to be a bottom pairing defenseman just isn't worth it.

It would be terrible asset management.

13 Oct 2019 22:58:52
However, you were saying that I misread what you said but then do the same thing on one of my posts. Where did I say one of Appleton, Vesalainen, Samberg or Roslovic would replace Ehlers production in a couple years?

All I said is that I wouldn't move any of those guys for Ristolainen. Simply because getting Ristolainen doesn't outweigh the impact of losing any one of those players. I'd rather just keep the young guys and stay the course.

Good conversation though. I guess we just need you read each others posts more carefully. Lol.

14 Oct 2019 13:20:13
Yeah, sorry. sometimes to make the conversation go one direction i can manipulate words a bit. we all do it, its not right but its a human flaw we all got. lol

I also think tatar can't relace ehlers no matter who he plays with

Good points.

13 Oct 2019 00:35:11
Ristolainen for Vesalainen.

Nice and easy. Kinda fills a need for both teams.

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13 Oct 2019 05:36:12
No thanks from Winnipeg. Ristolainen is not needed at all. The Jets have plenty of bottom pairing defensemen and Risto is not worth a top wing prospect.

13 Oct 2019 07:19:53
Jets add. While he can be shaky defensively, Risto is a proven and solid top 4 D. Vesalainen is unproven, could be good, could be a bust, unproven’s don’t get top 4 d straight up.

13 Oct 2019 16:25:51
No Risto is not much more than a cap dump as no team needs a -50 plus/ minus d-man at $5.4 mil a year.

13 Oct 2019 23:40:22
The more i read about ristolainen from the opinions of everyone on this site the more i'm starting to think ristolainen at 50% retained for pollman might work? .

And that's a big huge question mark.

Thoughts.

12 Oct 2019 16:52:34
Red wings trades at the deadline

1.
Detroit: Mike Green

Boston: 2020 1st Rd Pick, 2021 2nd Rd Pick*
*if Green resigns with Boston

2.
Detroit: Trevor Daley

Winnipeg: 2021 5th Rd Pick*
*becomes a 3rd if Winnipeg advances to WCF or if Daley plays 30+ total games

3.
Detroit: Jimmy Howard

New York Islanders: 2020 2nd Rd Pick
(Islanders only do this if contending for playoff spot)

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12 Oct 2019 17:11:07
Winnipeg will probably be a bubble playoff team if all goes well. They might do something like that.

12 Oct 2019 17:34:05
The Jets don't need another old 6/ 7 d-man. However Maurice would like to have another useless fossil in the lineup. lol.

12 Oct 2019 21:20:11
If Detroit gets that much for Green, I will be shouting “TRUST THE YZERPLAN! ”.

Like I’m honestly expecting a Conditional 3rd that May turn into a 2nd. Green’s injury history lowered his trade value.

Now it’s the deadline so anything can happen.

12 Oct 2019 21:21:57
Similar to Green, Daley has injury history.

So I could see getting a 5th, maybe a 4th if lucky. Not sure we get that 3rd. Even if the Jets are desperate.

Also wouldn’t the Jets prefer Green over Daley? We could retain Salary on Green for a higher return from them also.

12 Oct 2019 21:22:45
I could see the Isles being interested in Howard but not sure we will get a 2nd unless he starts killing it and stays healthy.

12 Oct 2019 21:27:52
How is Green even worth a 1st? He’s so old and nowhere near what he once was. Winnipeg can do better.

13 Oct 2019 13:58:10
I would love that return for Green but I would be happy with just a 2nd round pick, even potentially a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if Boston makes the cup finals.

Same with the Daley trade, I see his age and injury history catching up to him and making his value lower this season. A 5th round pick would be more than enough to recoup for a 35 year old top 6/ 7th D man.

I could see Jimmy Howard negotiating another 1 year contract with Stevie Y. Other than Holtby or maybe Markstrom, I don't see any potential UFA goalies that would make a better suited replacement to Howard, both in net and as a locker room presence.

If Howard won't be re-signed then I agree a 2nd round pick from NYI for him to play backup to Varlamov would be fair.

** Can we also trade Ericcsson to ANY team for a 7th round pick? **.

13 Oct 2019 21:06:29
@DRWdave, I agree with your assessment.

Although I’m not so sure about keeping Howard. I would consider looking at the UFA market anyways.

If you can sell Ericsson, you will be the new best Wings fan of all time.

12 Oct 2019 01:17:54
MTL:Cole Caufield,Romanov,rd 2020

NJ:Taylor Hall signed 9 million for 6 years

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12 Oct 2019 12:32:06
2 rd2020.

12 Oct 2019 15:33:30
Not a bad start to this deal. New jersey may want a roster player back on this trade. Nothing terribly special just a middle of the pack forward like lehkonen.

Other than that this package seems pretty fair in value.

12 Oct 2019 16:36:35
That’s less then what Montreal got for Patches.

Hall>>>Patches.

12 Oct 2019 17:19:22
Jersey would get a better offer at the TDL as a rental which would include someone's first. There's not much incentive for NJ to trade him in this scenario.

If you want a quality player on a below market contract you need to start with quality going back. Not odds and ends that you think are all right.

Plus, Hall will want more than 9 for 6 years.

12 Oct 2019 21:32:41
Cole caufield is a 1st round pick who has upside to be another debrincat.

12 Oct 2019 21:36:44
I don’t think Montreal have any interest in Hall unless he agrees to sign first, as stated. But then his trade value increases dramatically. More than what’s offered here. And Montreal won’t want to do that. They can just wait and sign him in the off season.

13 Oct 2019 00:09:34
Get Hall by the deadline and you can give him that extra year so you can lower AAV a bit. but hey wait till he is a fee agent so you "might" be able to get a meeting with him. Why not get him earlier so he has time to fall in love with the organisation.

Giving up a bit of prospects and picks is well worth it to have a chance at having taylor hall long term

But hey wait till he is a free agent see how that works out.

13 Oct 2019 03:07:03
I like the above trade proposal. Habs receive a top 30 NHL player in his prime. Jersey receives 2 young prospects with excellent upside.


Here is another proposal:

Habs: Gotisbehere

Philly: Romanov, 2020 2nd round pick, and Hudon.

13 Oct 2019 06:53:47
If 6x9M would get it done you better believe Hall would already be extended, eh.

13 Oct 2019 22:34:18
Columbus traded for Panarin. How did that work out there Craigger? How about Dallas and Zuccarello? Winnipeg and Hayes? So why does Montreal trade anything to risk derail the rebuild for a stab in the dark shot at Hall? Because Hall is going to make them contenders? If Hall doesn’t want to stay in Jersey, what does Montreal have to offer him that makes him want to stay there?

13 Oct 2019 22:34:52
You’re a very argumentative individual aren’t you?

 


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