NHL rumours 9

17 Jun 2024 05:55:32
To Van - Jack McBain 1.5 Million

To Utah - Ilya Mikheyev 4.75 Million, sharks 6th round pick

Van gets a big forward (perhaps a Joshua replacement). Utah gets speed/skill to their game.

Van trades Joshua rights, for rights to Guentzel from the hurricanes.

Van signs B Dillion (LD), resign Hronek, Zadorov, Myers, Silovs

If trade happens, van would have approximately 31.85 million in cap space. Also assuming the cap projection to be 87.675 total cap space.

Guentzle 9.5 Million
Hronek. 8 Million
Zadorov. 6 Million
Dillon. 4 Million
Myers. 2 Million
Silovs. 1.5 Million

17 Jun 2024 15:26:56
The UFA rights trade makes no sense, I don't think there's ever been a trade between teams for solely the UFA rights between 2 players.

And I think the reason Hronek hasn't been signed yet is Vancouver isn't willing to go as high as $8m, they want a # lower than Hughes AAV and Hronek has been rumored to be included in their attempts to trade Carolina for Necas.

I do like the Mikheyev trade though and I think Utah would pull the trigger on that if it was offered.

17 Jun 2024 18:42:57
Good comment!

I think Necas will stay in Carolina, based on his age, which makes Guentzle the odd man out. As for swapping negotiation rights, I feel it's an advantage to both sides if team won't be able to come to terms and specific team needs. Basically it avoids free agent frenzy and missing out or being out bid for a players services.

17 Jun 2024 20:02:33
Thanks Tuna! I think you're right about Guentzel, the early reports last month suggested that Carolina wanted to try to sign and keep Guentzel but I know I've read that the Hurricanes are open to trading his negotiating rights now.

I think the negotiating rights could be harder to acquire than just offering another free agents negotiating rights though, maybe at least a late round draft pick as well. For example, in the past Detroit has traded a 3rd round pick and the rights to Jonathan Bernier for the rights to Alex Nedjelkovic in 2021 and a 3rd round pick for the rights to Ville Husso in 2022.

Maybe if the Canes are interested in Joshua, his negotiating rights + their 2024 4th round pick would be the right trade value?

17 Jun 2024 03:40:59
1st line
Slavkosky Suzuki caufield
2nd line
Konecky dach farrabe
3rd line
Newhook frost Roy
4th line
Gallagher evans armia

17 Jun 2024 03:35:26
Montreal trade with flyers
Mtl sends 5th overall Jordan Harris , josh Anderson Filip mesar
To Philly for
12th overall,Travis konecky Morgan frost and Joel farrabe
Philly drafts demidov to play with mishkov
Habs draft : iginla , eiserman, sennecke, catton , helenius or defencemen :pareck , biuum,yakemchuk or Dickinson

17 Jun 2024 12:11:27
Flyers say no. going up 7 spots in the draft doesn't doesn't justify sending konecny frost and farabee. It's pretty lopsided.

18 Jun 2024 00:18:50
I’m suggesting Philly to see if they would want to pair with mishkov

18 Jun 2024 18:55:47
Konecny only has one year left until he is a UFA. it isn't that far off.

16 Jun 2024 03:45:13
Calgary Flames :
- Rasmus Andersson (4.5M @ 2 UFA)
- Andrei Kuzmenko (5.5M @ 1 UFA)

Toronto Maple Leafs :
- William Nylander (11.5M @ 8 UFA)


Leafs save 1.4M, acquire a solid RHD on a great contract and a slow skilled winger. Flames acquire an elite forward which they severely lack.

Nylander, 28
82GP | 40G 58A | 98Pts

Andersson, 27
78GP | 9G 30A | 39Pts

Kuzmenko, 28
72GP | 22G 24A | 46Pts

16 Jun 2024 14:05:07
I like the idea but it wouldn't work for many reasons. Nylander has a full no move clause and seems very happy to be playing in Toronto for the next 8 years.

Calgary already made a long term commitment to Huberdeau which turned out to be a huge mistake. If the Flames are as bad as they were this season WITH Andersson and Kuz, I dont even want to imagine how bad they'd be without those 2 and Nylander instead.

17 Jun 2024 23:00:57
That would be good to be terrible for the Flames. No team wins without top end (top 5) draft picks. Need that skill.

16 Jun 2024 03:38:05
Calgary Flames :
- Yegor Sharangovich

Carolina Hurricanes :
- Martin Necas


Necas, 25 (RFA) - C/RW
77GP | 24G 29A | 53Pts

Sharangovich, 26 (3.1M @ 1 UFA) - C/LW
82GP | 31G 28A | 59Pts

Sharangovich is the more complete player which the Canes tend to love. If you look at their lineup, Sharangovich is exactly the type of player they usually go for. I think Sharangovich’s stats are a little inflated but he can still be a 50+ point player especially on a solid team like the Canes. Necas is more offensive and if he was utilized more he’d easily put up 60+ points. Both are very similar players but Necas is better offensively while Sharangovich is better defensively. Necas is a speedy winger (okay centermen) and Sharangovich is a pk specialist with a wicked shot.

16 Jun 2024 19:12:38
I like the base idea. I'd think Calgary would add, and that's where it would fall apart.

17 Jun 2024 18:09:32
Calgary prob needs to add a pick here. Most likely a 2nd and both teams would want to work out extensions as part of the deal.

15 Jun 2024 21:13:13
Blues Trade
Saad*

Leafs Trade
Kampf*
Reaves

*Both Saad and Kampf would have to waive their NTC otherwise it can't happen.


This is just a good old hockey trade, Kampf gives St.Louis a good 3rd line checking Centre and Reaves goes back to were it all started giving them some much needed toughness.

Leafs add to their core of Berube type players and Saad would fit in nicely.



Thoughts ?

15 Jun 2024 23:31:52
This makes all the sense in the world for Toronto. But absolutely none for the Blues. Saad, a 20 goal scorer who can play up and down the lineup for 2 4th liners? No chance.

16 Jun 2024 00:34:53
St. Louis says no.
Toronto adds more.

16 Jun 2024 00:55:22
Reaves has negative value.

16 Jun 2024 01:16:27
Pinball…you don’t have to post EVERY embarrassing notion that comes to mind.

Webmasters, you need to institute some form of quality control to ensure one poster without hockey knowledge or impulse control ruins the experience of your otherwise fine website.

16 Jun 2024 13:53:04
I'm saad you left Robertson and Liljegren out of your trade offer pinball 😢 you're supposed to make these trades fair for both teams and you left out the 2 most important players the Leafs have of value!

You're going to tell me that not even Dewar deserves to be packaged with this offer? He's too talented to be left out of this. 😩

You got to remember Liljegren and Robertson and Dewar next time pinball, they're absolutely essential to be included in any trade you make especially if you're going to look for a player that can play top 4 right handed D or be the starting goalie, and Saad can do both!

18 Jun 2024 03:27:59
Is Saad not overpaid for what he brings?

19 Jun 2024 05:08:14
Hjarmarsson. I have to disagree with you. Reeves is not a 4th line player. A extra that sits in the press box and eats popcorn on the odd chance he'll be in the lineup at some point.

15 Jun 2024 18:42:29
Montreal trades with devils

Montreal trades caufield and 26th overall
To devils for
10th overall, Alex holtz and Dawson Mercer

Montreal trades with Columbus
Mtl trades Anderson and Barron or Harris
To Columbus for Patrik laine

15 Jun 2024 19:48:22
No & no to each from MTL.

17 Jun 2024 12:16:39
Laine should be cheap to get. he doesn't want to be in Columbus, and he's has off ice struggles. At 8.7 million per year. the cap space is to valuable. A team like Utah mY the a shot at him. but cbj probably adds.

15 Jun 2024 16:50:50
Tor: marner, liljegren, jarnkrok. Chi: Jones, 3rd . Chicago gets marner, rfa, and a cap dump for top de and even generous draft pick.

15 Jun 2024 20:29:24
No for Toronto. Can get more.

15 Jun 2024 04:58:19
Tor: liljgren, Robertson, jarnkrok, marner. Chi: 18th overall. Chicago takes Torontos garbage And marner and gives a good 1st round pick

15 Jun 2024 14:07:43
Shootsmcgee
Toronto makes that trade, how long after is Treliving fired and becomes Chicago's GM?
In your head I am sure every Leaf is garbage with that post.

15 Jun 2024 15:08:41
You got him shoots. He's having a panic attack hoping this isn't real.

15 Jun 2024 15:56:55
Interesting take, but I still say CHI wants to compile as many high picks and prospects as they can as a rebuilding team.

15 Jun 2024 16:24:32
Jarnkrok is terrible, a cap dump at this point. a couple fringe players and marner. Pinball, what's so unbelievable?

15 Jun 2024 16:33:56
In all honesty pinball keeps this site going posting silly things.

15 Jun 2024 16:41:29
Shootsmcgee
Would Chicago give Toronto Seth Jones, Taylor Hall, Nick Foligno and Lukas Reichel for The Leafs 1st Rounder this upcoming draft?
Afterall Toronto would be taking Chicago's garbage and Seth Jones right?
People attack me and you post the most ridiculous post possible.
I laugh at all you actually, keep it coming I love delusional posts.

15 Jun 2024 20:34:24
Except none of those players are garbage. Jarnkrok gets 10 to 20 goals and 30 to 40 points while playing the PK effectively only making just over 2 million. Robertson is still young and should come around and Lily is a decent 4-6 RH man. I get the point your trying to make. But matching ignorance with ignorance is futile. Be the bigger man, we all know Pinbaĺl is NOT the voice of reason and lives in the fantasy world.

15 Jun 2024 21:26:34
Thats a funny joke again. Seth Jones is good and payed like it. Folingo is overpaid but for a purpose. If chicago wanted to trade him they wouldn't of signed him till Bedards, korchinski, nazar end. Hes there for leadership. Chicago isn't un a cap crunch like Toronto. that's not comparable. Why everyone have to explain hockey to you. If Toronto wants there big name defenseman, they have to give something of value. So do your next post without the names Robertson, kampf, liljegren and jarnkrok. Then maybe people will take you seriously. I think most would agree that hall, Reichel are better than the names you bring up.

15 Jun 2024 23:38:32
Shootsmcgee, great take on the Hawks. Jones is the whipping boy in Chicago because he is overpaid by $1-2 million a year. But because of that people think he is trash.

16 Jun 2024 01:27:03
SHOOTS: Pinball is killing this site.

PINBALL: people don’t “attack” you. You post nonsensical garbage, and you’re too far gone to realize how out of touch your posts are. Maybe learn something from the consistent feedback you receive. Your hockey knowledge has been called out regularly, and you learn nothing from it. You ruin the experience of this site.

16 Jun 2024 02:47:47
Shootsmcgee
I did and put Marner as a centre piece, yet even that's not good enough.
And Quiet Guy do you not understand this site?
It's all in fun and everything that is 95% on here are just trade ideas, in other words it is all fantasy not facts.
Cheers.

16 Jun 2024 13:58:50
So in other words, the only fantasies that are valid are pinballs.

Everyone else's fantasies are just ridiculous.

If we're going to dream we got to dream BIG like pinball:

- Throw 3 RFAs and a 1st round pick at the LA Kings for their captain.
- Tell everyone Marner won't be traded, but then trade Marner for 4 1st round picks and tell everyone you're doing the other team a favor because Marner is better than everything Toronto is getting back


At least now we know what we've all been missing this whole time.

14 Jun 2024 19:23:07
Devils Trade
Mercer (RFA)
Holtz
Nemec
10th Overall Pick 2024

Leafs Trade
Marner*
Jarnkrok
Liljegren
DeWar (RFA)

*Marner would have to both waive his NMC and do a sign and trade otherwise this trade proposal can't happen.


NJ gets the best player in this proposal is why they would do it, all 4 played for Keefe last season with The Leafs so it helps also next season with his first year as coach.

Leafs can really never win a trade trading an elite player like Marner, but it gives them more Cap flexibility to improve as much as possible, all 3 players are solid players and getting the 10th Overall will help in getting a Top prospect in this years draft.



Thoughts ?

14 Jun 2024 19:46:09
Thats so nice of you to come up with a trade proposal that would leave New Jersey with $9.5 million in cap space to sign 6 more roster players including replacements for Holtz, Mercer and Nemec and a starting goalie :)

I mean sure, 2 of those players they're getting from Toronto are RFAs but even if they get signed for what they'll ask for, that still leaves about $5 million to find a stating goalie and round out the bottom 6 and bottom pair D right? Totally doable and exactly what their plan has been all along.

I especially like the part where you tried to make this sound like you're doing New Jersey a favor by trading for 2 of their future best players in Nemec and Mercer by saying that with Marner they're actually the ones getting the best player in this proposal.

And I mean we've all heard the rumors that the Devils are looking to acquire a top 6 forward right? All those rumors about looking for a starting goalie and showing interest in Markstrom, Ullmark and Saros are probably just fake news to distract from their real target which has been Marner all along.

And you even included the 10th overall pick too! :) that's so awesome Pinball. You know after the disappointing season Devils fans just went through watching the team finish bottom 10, I think what the fanbase really wants more than a starting goalie to round out their already complete team is to throw their whole future away for 1 year of Mitch Marner. I'm glad you took the time to look at this from the Devils fans perspectives as well.

I'd give this a 9.5 out of 10 for creativity, it would have been a perfect 10 but you forgot to include Robertson which I'm honestly surprised by since you rarely leave him out of your trades.

14 Jun 2024 19:49:28
"Marner will not be traded, everyone seems to forget a few things.

First of all Treliving isn't trading an elite forward for a package like that, he is too smart to pull that proposal, Treliving is looking to get better not worse and trading Marner doesn't make them better.
Second Marner has stated he is playing out his final year of his contract with TORONTO, he has a NMC in his contract and he has complete control of being traded.
Thirdly The Leafs have 19,405.333 million in Cap Space to improve, players like Cowan, Grebyonkin and Quillan or Minton are options at forward if they focus on Defense and or Goaltending.
Marner didn't have a very good playoff we all know that, but in the previous playoffs he did perform.

Trust me when I say Marner won't be traded, he won't. "

- Pinballisback, June 05, 2024.

14 Jun 2024 20:06:46
Fitz hangs up phone.

14 Jun 2024 21:08:04
#PinballNeedsATimeOut.

14 Jun 2024 21:34:17
Jesus man. NJ is literally a goalie away from being back in the playoffs. Honestly if Hughes hadn't got hurt they probably would've been in there this year. If Treliving got offered this he would take it and disconnect the phones before NJ could call back with second thoughts.

15 Jun 2024 00:37:49
Nashan, Chickenfoot and MG69.

No team wants an elite forward, how silly is that what was I thinking.

Amazing how you all think, and I am delusional?

15 Jun 2024 02:18:30
Don't listen to the haters Pinball. I think you're really good at these trades.

You always find a way to identify a team need for the Leafs like left handed defensemen or 36 year old franchise centers, and when it comes to packaging RFAs and late 1st round picks nobody does it better than you.

Whether it's Kopitar, Laine, Chychrun, or anyone else the Leafs have no use for, you're always finding a way to trade Liljegren, Robertson, and Dewar for the best return possible. 👍

For your dedication to being a Leafs homer they should build a statue of you outside of Scotiabank arena looking like this: 🤡.

15 Jun 2024 05:21:49
I assume 99% of pinballs things are funny joke's.

15 Jun 2024 15:02:24
Shootsmcgee
Lets look at it the other way

NJ Trades
JHughes
Haula
NFoote
Marino

Toronto Trades
Knies
Holmberg
Niemela
1st Round Pick 2024

Does Treliving laugh and hangup the phone?

Give your head a shake it's similar the other way.

15 Jun 2024 16:00:33
PINBALL:

- no way Marner doesn’t go to unrestricted free agency. He will go to market, and why shouldn’t he.

-NJ wants to make a splash in the playoffs, so why would they want a player like Marner?

15 Jun 2024 16:29:16
Pinball, did you just give an example of how ridiculous your trade was with a rebuttal of another ridiculous trade?

15 Jun 2024 16:46:04
Chickenfoot
As I stated on my post he would have to sign a long term contract as well as waive his NMC otherwise no deal.
Now you are twisting my post, truthfully Treliving isn't trading Marner but if he was imo it would look something like I posted.

Marner replaces Mercer
Jarnkrok replaces Holtz
Liljegren replaces Nemec
DeWar is there 4th line centre

Tell me how NJ isn't better with that trade off?

15 Jun 2024 19:34:09
Shootsmcgee
No I gave an example of how Toronto would never do a trade like that, afterall when it's the other way the team not named Maple Leafs have players nobody wants either right?
Has to be every team has garbage players, like NJ who couldn't even make the playoffs last year.
Garbage team and players right shoots?

15 Jun 2024 19:37:01
Because man all of them are cost controlled. We have paid four players $10mill plus and it has gotten us one trip to the second round. Not every team wants to add a big massive contract while giving up players that are cost controlled.

16 Jun 2024 01:32:51
Pinball, you’re embarrassing yourself. No one is twisting your words, you’re just immune to truthful feedback.

Marner will go to Unrestricted Free Agency. Period. He’s not going to forego being a UFA to suit your ridiculous fantasies, period.

17 Jun 2024 12:23:26
NJD definitely hold. Those players are really young and will be good players. It comes down this question:
Is it better to over pay for 1 really good player?

Or

Have slightly less talented players, but still play well with each other?

I think the 1 line toronto experiment is over. NJD say no.

17 Jun 2024 18:00:04
Marner is a fine player but the value people think he will garner is not in touch with reality.
1st he is a small player that disappears when it matters (fact)
2nd he has a huge contract (that alone diminishes returns)
3rd he is not a center (the massive returns expected come from dominant 2 way centers, not soft wingers)
4th he has a NTC and controls the destination (without an extension his value is less that my 2nd point)

14 Jun 2024 14:44:07
Seattle Trades
Borgen

Toronto Trades
Timmons


Thoughts ?