NHL rumours 9

28 Sep 2023 15:00:05
Anaheim Trades
Lyubushkin

Toronto Trades
Brodie
Liljegren

So in my proposal I am trading 2 upcoming players on expiring contracts Lyubushkin and Brodie plus adding an young NHL defenceman not a prospect to a rebuilding team with a ton of cap space.
So I await esponses of how Anaheim would never do this etc.
Ducks win in this proposal for who they are trading and getting, Toronto wins getting much needed cap space.


Thoughts ?

28 Sep 2023 21:15:00
the only way I see this happening is if Anaheim throws in a draft pick. T. O. still has hope for Liljegren and probably worth more than just being a throw in.

30 Sep 2023 15:09:27
Ok Anaheim throws in a 2nd Round Pick in next years draft balsam8.
Is it a deal iyo?

30 Sep 2023 23:40:34
Stop trying to trade Brodie no one that’s a leaf’s fan wants him gone besides you.

01 Oct 2023 15:56:51
vbbbvvbb
Do you not understand how The Leafs are over The Cap and they need to shed salary?
I do like Brodie but his 5 million Cap Hit has to go so Toronto has room to possibly add in this case Lyubushkin and maybe sign Patrick Kane, you seem like the only one that doesn't understand how The Cap works.

01 Oct 2023 20:59:59
I understand where you are coming from vbbbvbb. but trades seem to be more about getting under the cap instead of considering who you are losing. it makes sense to move $5M. I do agree it would be a loss. only other way they can possibly get under the cap is if they move another player to Robidas island based on an "injury"

05 Oct 2023 21:42:06
Well once the leafs make it to game one of the regular season cap compliant I’ll laugh at you all.

26 Sep 2023 19:56:57
Ott: Joseph, 1st rd pick 24

Detroit: Future Consideration

Every one knows Ottawa is in a cap crunch and needs to move salary to sign Pinto and its not going to be cheap. Ottawa is most likely going to have to pay more because of this. Philly wants Boucher to take Joseph contract and I don't think Ottawa wants to move any of their top prospects as they believe they are closer to being a playoff team so moving one of their two 1st this year makes sense. Detroit has a open roaster spot still, cap space and they get a second first back that they traded earlier to Ottawa in the Debrincat deal. Maybe Dorian can pull off a better deal or payless but right it seems more then not Ottawa will be paying more then they want .... or trade Pinto.

27 Sep 2023 19:15:25
I don't see any open roster spots in Detroit. They already have 23 players with NHL experience under contract, and several good rookies that look NHL ready. What open spot do you see? I see 13 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 3 goalies on the team, and 2 more defensemen and another forward ready to step in.

03 Oct 2023 22:38:16
So you figure boucher and Joseph has more value than a 1st and Joseph?

05 Oct 2023 21:44:40
I’d take a 1st over Boucher. He was a awful pick. IF he pans out he will be Garnet Hathaway type player.

23 Sep 2023 16:41:13
Chicago Trades
Future Considerations

Toronto Trades
Brodie
NRobertson

Chicago has the cap and could use a veteran defenceman that can be traded at the deadline with salary retained, Brodie at 2.5 million if Chicago retains half of his salary and any team needing a defenceman at the deadline would probably be able to afford that, adding NRobertson is the sacrifice Toronto has to make to shed that salary.
Leafs can then add a defenceman like a Peeke or Lyubushkin to play with Rielly and be under the cap.


Thoughts ?

23 Sep 2023 17:25:31
I thought Robertson was going to be the next Marner so why trade him?

23 Sep 2023 17:51:17
You’re a lost record man. No leaf’s fan besides you wants Brodie gone he’s the leafs best dman. If anything why wouldn’t the give Rielly away if he makes 2 million more. Rielly isn’t as good defensively and Klingberg can replace his offence.

23 Sep 2023 18:09:46
Who ever said Robertson would be the next Marner? And Brodie is far from great vb. He is a good 3/ 4 dman.

23 Sep 2023 21:55:09
vbbbvvbb
So please tell me who goes to get the cap under the limit?
Lafferty isn't enough, the only one that makes sense is Brodie because of the 5 million cap hit, this gives The Leafs enough cap to replace Brodie if need be, or sign Patrick Kane if he decides to sign in Toronto, subtraction for addition in trading Brodie.

24 Sep 2023 03:47:10
Chicago is done for now they said, but Brodie gets traded maybe to a team that equals salary that has too many winger. Or Toronto sends more for eating his entire salary, like picks or better prospects.

24 Sep 2023 16:21:26
Let me think. Lets trade our best defensive defenceman retain 2.5 million and trade honey baker winner who costs us nothing against the cap and is waiver exempt for nothing. man what are you thinking?

Would you trade Connor Murphy retain 2.5 and Lukas Rychel for nothing?

24 Sep 2023 22:08:56
Morgan Rielly should go before Brodie.

25 Sep 2023 16:29:53
Bm4, Murphy is better than brodie and reichel is a lot better then Robinson so no. Chicago doesn't have cap issues so no. The only reason pinball pushing to trade brodie is hes like one of 4 guys they can trade. And the only one to get under cap. I really don't know what a honey competition has to do with hockey.

25 Sep 2023 19:50:45
On what planet is Murphy better then Brodie?

26 Sep 2023 16:15:31
Brodie is our best defensive dman; he however is not worth his $5mill cap hit he unfortunately makes. I'd be okay if we unloaded Kampf instead. We have some guys who can fill that role and it should free up the needed cap space.

26 Sep 2023 19:10:18
- with so many teams needing cap relief, and so few teams who can offer it, no one is taking 33 year-old Brodie at 5M and the perpetually injured Robertson for nothing. It'll take assets to create space in this current marketplace.

- the leafs need to shed 3M in cap space, which is really 4M to allow for in-season call-ups. They also need to add a truly defensive D-man to shore up a blueline with an average age of 30. There are some real question marks on the leaf blue line to all but the most hard-core true believers. (My leaf fan buddies rightfully see it as a major concern. )

- While Brodie is an obvious candidate, I think some of the trades attributed to Nylander on here make more sense. A Nylander trade could bring back a D-man which will be much needed. (ideally someone who can skate and make up for lapses by Klinger, who simply can't outscore is defensive shortcomings. )

- Treliving is a seasoned hockey manager. I suspect he'll pull a fairly big surprise, possibly with a Nylander trade, rather than risk losing him like Gaudreau as a UFA. He's been around long enough to understand what his roster truly needs.

23 Sep 2023 02:12:58
ANA trades Trevor Zegras

OTT trades Josh Norris

Ottawa creates a little cap space and keep Pinto in the process. Zegras doesn't seem happy with contract talk in Anaheim. Lots of upside to his game. think both teams get what they need.

23 Sep 2023 16:37:29
Value would be not far off but Norris barely played last year due to injuries. He’s a risk for now, especially at his cap hit

23 Sep 2023 17:01:55
Ottawa says no.

23 Sep 2023 17:52:18
Anahiem doesn’t touch this. Norris injury is just way to concerning.

22 Sep 2023 14:13:16
ANA - Zegras (negotiating rights)
MTL - 2025 1st (CGY), 2024 2nd (COL), 2025 2nd, Farrell, Armia (Cap dump)

With McTavish and Carlsson down the middle, Anaheim has options, since negotiations aren't going too well for Zegras' new contract. They gain multiple picks and a solid LW prospect with good offensive upside. Almost all positions are set in their prospect pool, to the exception of winger position, which this trade improves. Armia is added as cap dump for negotiation leverage with Zegras.

MTL gets a young, solid offensive center that could play with Caufield, his best buddy.

22 Sep 2023 18:43:31
As with any trade of a player of Zegras' quality, it will cost you at least one asset you don't want to give up. One magic bean and a few inconsequential picks and/ or prospects and an uncompensated cap dump won't be considered.

22 Sep 2023 20:01:49
Be prepared to give up Reinbacher if you want Zegras lol trading Zegras would set the Ducks back so far. Quality > Quantity

22 Sep 2023 22:11:11
I don't even think Anaheim want Reinbacher. They already have Drysdale, Mintyukov, Zellweger, Luneau, Warren as promising young dmen. Picks give them more flexibility

23 Sep 2023 00:33:47
I wouldn't give up zegras for that. Probably mid first, always a maybe, 2 2nds, one Probably very late, another maybe prospect that was a 4th round pick. And expect them to take a cap dump. Future perennial allstar for a bunch of maybes. No thank you.

25 Sep 2023 15:14:51
I don't see this happening . I like Zegras, but you have to weigh out moving alot of pieces for 1 player. then if he wants $$$$$, you can upset the structure of your salary on the team. plus we all know what happens when you pay too many guys too much money.

20 Sep 2023 02:51:58
Friedman mentioned Colorado’s interest in Backlund this season. They also want a backup goalie so I feel they would be the perfect trading partners.


To Colorado Avalanche :
C - Mikael Backlund ( 5.35 @ 1 UFA )
G - Daniel Vladar ( 2.20 @ 2 UFA )
3rd Round Pick in 2025 - CGY

To Calgary Flames :
LD - Samuel Girard ( 5.00 @ 4 UFA )
W - Logan O’Connor ( 1.05 @ 2 UFA )


Flames need a Noah Hanifin replacement for when he’s traded and need to free up a goaltending spot for Dustin Wolf.
Colorado wants another veteran C, want a backup goalie and eventually have to trade a defensemen so they can keep Devon Toews.
This trade would make a lot of sense for both teams.


Jonathan Drouin - Nathan MacKinnon - Mikko Rantanen
Artturi Lehkonen - Ryan Johansen - Valeri Nichushkin
Miles Wood - Mikael Backlund - Tomas Tatar
Andrew Cogliano - Colton Ross - Ben Myers

Devon Toews - Cale Makar
Bowen Byram - Josh Manson
Jack Johnson - Kurtis MacDermid

Alexandar Georgiev
Daniel Vladar


Jonathan Huberdeau - Elias Lindholm - Matt Coronato
Andrew Mangiapane - Nazem Kadri - Yegor Sharangovich
Jakob Pelletier - Blake Coleman - Dillon Dube
Logan O’Connor - Adam Ruzicka - Walker Duehr

Mackenzie Weegar - Rasmus Andersson
Samuel Girard - Chris Tanev
Oliver Kylington - Nikita Zadorov

Jacob Markstrom
Dustin Wolf

(Hanifin Gone)

17 Sep 2023 00:11:02
To NYR :
C - Shane Pinto

To OTT :
LW - Alexis Lafreniere

17 Sep 2023 05:34:40
Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Stutzle-Giroux-Taresanko

Laf is not cracking that top 6.

18 Sep 2023 04:43:40
Not a bad trade. Also Tarasenko only has a 1 year contract so laf could fit in nicely next year.

18 Sep 2023 17:55:59
Pinto has no leverage and will sign for half as laf. Would make no sense for ott. I don't care about draft pedigree like some on here, just results.

19 Sep 2023 11:32:18
agree Shoots. draft pedigree means little if results not there. . Lafreniere leaves me wondering if he has more to give. is he being used properly? would a change of scenery help him?

19 Sep 2023 18:00:56
Laf can’t play RW that’s why he has been struggling so much he is a LW.

19 Sep 2023 20:59:07
I sure laf use is a big part of the problem but as you pointed out he would be in the same position in ott.

14 Sep 2023 16:15:21
Columbus Trades
Peeke

Toronto Trades
Brodie
Lafferty
Hildeby (SHL)


Thoughts ?

14 Sep 2023 17:52:22
Explain why on earth Columbus would do this. Every leaf trade put up never balanced.

14 Sep 2023 20:21:56
Nashan
Brodie is a Lefthanded shooting Defenceman and Columbus is stacked on the Rightside compared to the Leftside, plus Brodie would be a Top 3 Defenceman on Columbus.
Lafferty is a solid bottom 6 Winger/ Centre that young teams always add in a rebuild.
Hildeby isn't some throw in prospect, he is a solid Goaltender that could become a future #1, Toronto has plenty of Goaltending Depth coming up but Columbus doesn't.
Peeke is solid but will never be an All-star so honestly don't you believe you are over rating Peeke?
So there you got why this makes sense for Columbus, for Toronto they need to shed some Cap and if this wasn't a Cap situation they are actually weaker after this proposal.

15 Sep 2023 10:57:13
Columbus declines. no value coming back.

15 Sep 2023 11:51:53
Brodie hasn't played the left side for years man. Might be left handed but he plays better on the right side. Hildeby is a complete unknown in terms of whether his play in Europe will transfer over hear. We had a Swedish goalie before who was suppose to be our saving grace and that blew up in our faces. Just don't see it happening.

15 Sep 2023 16:51:40
MG69
Brodie can play either side equally as well, in fact he played a lot with Holl last season with Holl a RHanded Shooting Defenceman.
Hildeby is a very good prospect, to say he isn't is a judgement that has no base at all.
Peeke is a solid Defenceman that fits The Leafs better than he does on Columbus, that's why it makes sense for both Teams imo.

18 Sep 2023 18:15:12
I still don't think pinball realizes brodie isn't gonna get you much, hes a salary hindering weight. Just like he is on Toronto. If Toronto retained 50% they'd get a good return. But as is they'll pay to trade him or take an equal salary for a similar talent.

21 Sep 2023 20:12:18
Peeke isn’t making Columbus this season. He can be had for free on waivers most likely.

12 Sep 2023 20:09:35
Toronto: Nick Robertson

LA: Alex Turcotte

Both have had unfortunate injuries that set back their development. Robertson has produced a little more but Turcotte is a C and has the draft Pedigree. Leafs need C depth and LA needs winger depth.

13 Sep 2023 06:13:09
That's actually a pretty fair deal, however I could see the Kings saying no due to how high Turcotte was drafted. Maybe they're willing to be more patient with him but it is a very fair trade.

18 Sep 2023 18:28:24
They both terribly injury prone but turcotte has always been the much better player. If they both had a change of scenery and were healthy, Toronto would win this trade by a mile.

19 Sep 2023 18:03:10
Turcotte when he has played post draft year has not looked better then Robertson at all. Turcotte has 0 Points in NHL and awful AHL stats.

19 Sep 2023 22:47:30
Vbb, I'm gonna say turcotte has his turn this year. how about McMichael from Washington. Robertson and him were neck and neck in ppg in ohl and he hasn't panned out.

11 Sep 2023 06:57:23
2 Trade Proposals to Get the Leafs under the cap limit

Vegas Trades
Martinez
Hague

Toronto Trades
Nylander


La Trades
Lewis

Toronto Trades
Robertson

11 Sep 2023 14:49:25
- I'm not sure why the Cup Champs would consider this trade.

- Vegas' D-corps was widely seen as the biggest reason they won a cup with a journeyman goalie. I'm not sure why they'd trade 2 of their top-6 D, who each average 18 mins/ game?

- Trading Nylander for market value will be a challenge because every signal he's telegraphed is that he's going to market (which I certainly have no issue with) Players wait for their shot at UFA, and the high-end ones usually want to maximize their return.


As for the proposed Lewis trade from LA, he just signed there. Teams don't sign free agents and then pull the rug out from underneath them by trading them. It just doesn't happen, unless it's one of those rare "sign and trades".

Furthermore, Lewis was Drafted by LA, and won Cups there, so at 36 he seems to be choosing to "go home" where his NHL career started for one last go-around before retirement.

Last but not least, if Robertson is traded, he'll be a throw-in on a more consequential deal for reasons previously offered.

12 Sep 2023 05:40:50
@Chickenfoot that’s really good reasoning but I was just kidding, I was being ignorant because Pinball’s mock trade triggered me lmao. My bad

12 Sep 2023 12:38:00
CASUAL: too funny. I should have known better! : )

12 Sep 2023 19:38:54
I love coming on this site and seeing Chickeenfoot took up NotACasual and Ebsolutley as role models some people really need guidance and people to look up to and it really warms my heart seeing what you guys do for him.

11 Sep 2023 03:41:09
Toronto Trades
Rielly

Calgary Trades
Tanev*
Kylington

*Brodie would have to accept the trade otherwise it's a no go obviously.

11 Sep 2023 06:42:28
Oops Rielly*
but you get my point, not saying Hanifin is Rielly but that's exactly what the trade looks like lol

11 Sep 2023 18:58:18
Hanfin? What are you talking about man.

12 Sep 2023 00:25:54
Actually, I don't get your point. You have an asterisk beside Tanev's name, then mention Brodie, then Reilly having to accept a trade.
You then for some reason bring in Hanifin's name Into the proposal, so I am not sure who is intended to be traded in this proposal, as it contains 5 different defensemen.

12 Sep 2023 03:30:24
Ohh he’s referring to the trade below saying they are equally bad.

12 Sep 2023 05:32:44
Yeah it was a joke post lol

12 Sep 2023 15:15:20
Now I understand.

I have stopped wasting my time reading what pinball posts, as they are always bad for the other team.

12 Sep 2023 19:41:45
But I do love the Comp of Tanev to Brodie both very effective defenders who bring a ton to the table outside of offence. I’d absolutely love Tanev on the leafs far, far more then Hanfin. Hanfin is probably better but the leafs don’t need a LHD at all.