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18 Feb 2020 00:44:09
Confirmed trade.

Vancouver gets Toffoli.

LA gets Madden, 2nd and Schaller. There is a conditional pic depending on if he resigns or not.

As a Canucks fan, I really like it. It hurts to lose Madden, but to get immediate help in Toffoli who can easily be a 30 goal scorer makes it worth it.


1.) 18 Feb 2020 11:41:43
You think he can score 30 goals for you this season? Everything I’m reading he’s just a rental in Van because they will have some hard cap decisions this and next off season.

2.) 18 Feb 2020 16:59:08
Our cap situation honestly isn’t as bad as is seems. Things will be tight, but we can easily sign the key guys, and with Ferland going on LTIR we can easily resign Toffoli too if we want.

3.) 18 Feb 2020 20:36:21
That happened already.



18 Nov 2019 19:42:00
VAN: Eriksson

LA: Kovalchuk

What do you think?

Eriksson has slowed down, has no offensive ability left but is still solid defensively which LA could use.

Kovalchuk has slowed down, is a liability on defense but can still put up some points which Vancouver could use.

Eriksson has one extra year on his deal but Kovalchuk makes a little more money per year and at least Eriksson would play on LA unlike Kovalchuk who they’ve benched.

Maybe Van could add a 4th or something?


1.) 18 Nov 2019 20:15:10
Is there such a thing as a trade where both teams lose?
If there isn't this is about as close as it will come.

2.) 18 Nov 2019 21:23:49
Rather they look at Montreal and go something like Erickson and Goldobin for Alzner, Weise and a 3rd.

Montreal could use a couple forwards, as Drouin and Byron are out for awhile.
Basically some cap dumps for an asset each.

3.) 18 Nov 2019 23:55:10
Dont think the young stars on Nucks need any influence from Kovalchuck.
Hes not a good Pro. he has more talent in his pinky than most players ever get. yet, he jus doesn't apply it.
His day as a Pro should be done.

4.) 19 Nov 2019 02:13:15
I say this is a realistic and solid trade

5.) 19 Nov 2019 10:06:35
Renidrag, actually made an offer I would entertain as a Montreal fan. Goldobin could be like another Lehkonen type player that could maybe replace Byron permanently. Byron best days are over I think.

6.) 20 Nov 2019 00:33:11
This isn’t like the Neal for Lucic trade where everyone knew Neal was going to bounce back while Lucic was still going to suck the bag. Both these guys career is over. I don’t see any point in trading them for each other. I.



26 Jun 2019 06:37:32
Vancouver: Tanev, Goldobin, Schaller

Toronto: Johnsson, Kapanen, Dermott

Since apparent this is trash Canucks/ Leafs proposals day, here’s a good one.


1.) 26 Jun 2019 10:02:49
1) why would toronto bother resigning johnsson and kapenen just to trade them?
2) why would toronto clear out cap space by trading marleau to resign younger players just to trade the players they plan on resigning?
3) i see dermott having a higher ceiling in toronto long term than tanev would helping short term
4)no from toronto.

2.) 26 Jun 2019 10:59:22
I’ll take Dermotte over that whole package just awful leafs give up the three most valuable pieces. A lot of people here might think I’m incredibly biased but I’m sure anyone here that’s a leaf will back me up when I say Dermotte can easily step into a top 4 role next season. Goldobin is okay wouldn't crack the leafs top 9 if he was a LW possibly the 3rd line And Schallar is awful. Tanev is as Injury prone as it gets and is coming off an awful season he might be worth a mid pick.

So basically it’s 3rd, 3rd And 7th for 1st, 1st And 1st

Kappanen could get a mid 1st, Johnsson could get something around 19 overall and not sure what Dermotte could get but he’s probably the most valuable piece from the leafs POV- a cost controlled young top 4 dman.



25 Jun 2019 17:59:28
Well, according to Vb, a better rookie season means a better player overall, and he believes that because Marner had a better rookie season than Kucherov, that he will eventually be better than Kucherov and hit 130 points himself.

So, by that logic, Pettersson - who had a better rookie season than Marner - will be better than Marner - and by extension Kucherov - and Canucks fans should expect him to hit, at least, 150 points in a season.

But, Pettersson is a Centre which means his value is automatically higher, so how about this:

Canucks: Pettersson

Leafs: Marner, Rielly

No? I didn't think so either. Do you finally see how stupid your logic is Vb? Or are you a lost cause?


1.) 25 Jun 2019 20:15:44
Thanks for not including all leaf fans. Vbb’s, the self proclaimed genius does not represent all of us. Neither does pinball.

2.) 25 Jun 2019 22:00:47
Everything I say comes true so I mean I’m not sure 🤔 Marner is one of the top 10 most valuable pieces in the game because of his age and skill.

3.) 25 Jun 2019 22:46:15

I'm pretty sure VB is a Newfie, so that should explain some of his horrible thinking.

4.) 25 Jun 2019 22:59:33
Get over yourself vbb’s. Please let us know what that everything is. Hayes getting 7 million, big f’n deal. He’s a big #2 center that puts up decent numbers. Not too far fetched. I believe there was something about a trade too but I don’t remember. I would say all the non sense that’s come from your mouth for the last 5 years evens that up. No need to be a big shot, some of these posters put us in the same group as you.

5.) 25 Jun 2019 23:53:05
VB man, come on, these takes are trash mate.

6.) 25 Jun 2019 23:23:16
“Marner had more assists than Pettersson has points in his career”, well he’s only played one season and that first season was better than Marners.
I also have to add Hughes definitely has Reilly potential.

7.) 26 Jun 2019 02:15:31
@tyba4 what do you have against newfies? . Where are you from?

8.) 26 Jun 2019 02:32:46
1st of all with the Assists thing I was stirring the pot

2nd Hughes does have Riellys potential. Definitely not worth close to Rielly until he proves it tho.

3rd I said Detroit will reach for a deffensman. Projected Karlssons return and everyone said I was crazy. Proposed Johansson for Jones and got ridiculed. I’m usually pretty accurate with other signings but this is on the top of my head.

9.) 26 Jun 2019 07:17:48
My apologies, you are a genius.



22 Jun 2019 18:47:37

Vancouver: J. T. Miller

Tampa Bay: Conditional first-round pick in 2020, a third-round selection in 2019 and goaltender Marek Mazanec. Should the Canucks not make the playoffs in 2019-20, the first-round selection will move to the 2021 draft.


1.) 22 Jun 2019 19:19:30
Terrible for Vancouver the leafs gave a 1st to dump Marleau the Lightning got a 1st to dump JT Miller that’s a better return then what Subban got.

2.) 22 Jun 2019 19:41:37
So bad for Vancouver but you got to factor in age and his versatility of position that made him more attractive.

Definitely paid too much by Vancouver though.

3.) 22 Jun 2019 19:43:20
It’s not terrible at all, Miller is a 50 point guy who can play LW and C. A lottery protected first, a third, and an ahl goalie is fair value. The Canucks will likely be back in the playoffs by 2021 so even if TB gets that pick, who cares?

4.) 22 Jun 2019 20:07:27
Miller is def. more valuable than Marleau but that deal still stinks for Vancouver.

5.) 22 Jun 2019 20:43:54
Vancouver is improving but I feel this is too early for them to take that step of making a trade like this.

6.) 22 Jun 2019 21:40:47
Ohh yes I’m not saying he isn’t I’m just saying he’s a cap dump for Tampa.

7.) 22 Jun 2019 23:32:39
cap dump/ cap casualty depends on how you see it.

I might be in the minority here, but I like the trade mainly because Vancouver absolutely stole Hoglander with their 2nd rdp. This guy is a stud. He’s a Swedish copy of Brendan Gallagher. He’s going to push for a spot this up coming season and if he doesn’t make the opening night roster he can play right away in the AHL. What a steal!

8.) 23 Jun 2019 00:19:35
JT Miller's is 26, under 6 million and can play at multiple position. The price is actually fair for a guy Vancouver wanted. It's not a steal by any means but a solid trade for both teams imo.

9.) 22 Jun 2019 23:28:09
I don’t think the value is that bad or off, Miller is a valuable piece, but I’m not sure Vancouver is the team to be making that deal with where they are in their competitive cycle. The goalie is also overseas so just the rights, but that 2021 first could be a high pick if Vancouver doesn’t improve drastically.

10.) 23 Jun 2019 01:43:03
Vancouver should be a playoff team next year and JT Miller helps with that too. In the right situation he's a 60+ point guy imo.

11.) 23 Jun 2019 02:28:37
I personally love Miller. Not sure about the value but he’ll be top 6 in Vancouver and be putting up good numbers.

12.) 23 Jun 2019 07:34:05
As jbs said, fair price to pay for Miller, probably done by the wrong team, tho.
And just because TB has good use for the cap space the Miller trade creates, doesn't mean he was s cap dump. Cap dumps are players who aren't worth their contract, which isn't the case here, clearly.
Miller is a very useful top 6 F, can play all 3 positions, physical play.
So this is in no way comparable to the Marleau trade, but since it's from VB, I'm not surprised anwyways.

13.) 23 Jun 2019 12:08:59
Personally, if Miller and Skinner still got paid the same I'd take Miller bcuz of his versatility. At 5.25 million it's a deal in this market imo.

14.) 23 Jun 2019 18:46:17
I was in no way comparing him to Marleau I was comparing the cap situation of the Leafs to Tampa.




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27 Sep 2019 17:28:51

Laine singed 2x6.75

Thank god, now memarcus can shut up about the almighty Laine.


1.) 27 Sep 2019 17:44:49
Finally. very short contract though. I guess he just wants the shortest terms so he can increase his value after a slow season last year.
Do you think they sign Conner long term now? That would be my guess.

2.) 27 Sep 2019 17:54:21
Deffinetley not what I thought he was going to get .

3.) 27 Sep 2019 18:25:55
Finally no more post trying to steal Laine from the Jets and posters saying any dumb anti Jet trade was overpayment for Laine.

4.) 27 Sep 2019 18:40:04
I don't think it will stop the bad trade proposals Islandjet. The trolls here are pretty dense.

5.) 27 Sep 2019 20:01:31
Laine to Montreal for Folin and a 3rd.

6.) 27 Sep 2019 20:02:16
Just didn't want to let you Jets fans down.

7.) 27 Sep 2019 20:05:19
@mcmarcus and @islandjet, the Laine trades will be greatly reduced now since he signed. However the 2 year deal, does put into concern how long Laine wants to be a Jet for?

Also not all trades posted on here about Laine were meant to be trolls, they were simply people speculating and trying to estimate what they are worth based on others assessments.

At least that was my intention with Laine and Connor posts, to see if they were traded, what would others expect to see in return.

8.) 27 Sep 2019 20:41:55
Good one sosahabs24,

9.) 27 Sep 2019 21:34:45
@Datsyuk I disagree about the trade posts. 95% of them were troll posts. When you have guys offering 28 year old UFA defenseman and 30 year old 4th liners for a 21 year old elite winger, it's obvious they're trying to troll and get people bickering.

10.) 28 Sep 2019 17:57:39
No Marcus, that’s just your true homerism coming out that you overvalue him so much you actually believed %95 of the posts were trolls. That’s your own fault. Don’t push blame onto it here for your own problems. You’ve gotten pretty sad lately dude.

11.) 28 Sep 2019 21:03:53
Marcus is the biggest troll on the site. Says the most ridiculous things and calls other's trolls. he's the biggest homer since redwing but he's calmed down since he's changed his name.

12.) 30 Sep 2019 06:57:19
So I list my title huh.



29 Jul 2019 19:03:34
It sounds like Gusev is going to NJ for a second and a third, who would’ve guessed that a guy who’s never played in the NHL isn’t worth a top prospect or a 1st eh? All these over-evaluating clowns on here got proven wrong again, what else is new.


1.) 29 Jul 2019 19:47:32
Then Gusev scores 75 points and Vegas fans cry.

2.) 29 Jul 2019 20:46:45
I don't think the return was a huge question. Nobody wanted to pay 4.5/ year (which is what he got from NJ) . VGK has already been down that road with bringing over a great KHL player only to be burnt with Vadim Shipachyov. He played 3 games and then was asked to spend some time in the AHL to get used to the rink and pace and never showed up. There is risk involved in trying to bring people over that have developed more on the larger rink. Vadim was i think 30 or so and Gusev is 27. will be harder to do now than when they were younger.
I hope it works out well for NJD, they have made some great changes this off season. Gusev might be the replacement for Hall if he decides to leave as a UFA next year.

3.) 29 Jul 2019 20:59:36
High risk high reward for NJ.
The reward outweighing the risk.
Gusev could be an NHL star, he has the skillset for it.

4.) 29 Jul 2019 23:08:43
I don’t really see how it’s high risk, they got him for a 2nd and 3rd in different years, only pay him 4.5mil in the 2nd season, if he doesn’t pan out they let him walk without losing much, if he works then they can extend him.
Good deal for NJ.

5.) 30 Jul 2019 07:06:53
Well, because it could be a Shypachyov situation. Last 2 big names coming out of the KHL didn’t pan out (Shypachyov and Kovalchuk) . Except LA and GK didn’t really give up anything for them except for salary.
New Jersey is giving up a 2nd and a 3rd as well as 4.5M for 2 years.

6.) 30 Jul 2019 22:13:43
Low risk and high reward*.



18 Jun 2019 01:04:42
Hhahah oh my god, I have to post again.

The jets got back their own first round pick in the Trouba deal so it's essentially Trouba for Pionk 1 for 1. LOL

I'll say it again. What happened to Trouba for Ekblad?! Trouba for Werenski?! Trouba for Kakko+?! You Jets fans are DELUSIONAL LMAO.


1.) 18 Jun 2019 02:41:57
Don’t forget Trouba for Joe Veleno and the 6th overall 😂 😂😂.

2.) 18 Jun 2019 03:34:18
Pretty terrible for the Jets, but trading him without an extension in place really killed the value.

I wonder why Toronto couldn’t beat that? Couldn’t afford him? The Leafs desperately need a #1 defenseman, how could they pass this up?

3.) 18 Jun 2019 05:02:58
That was a horrible trade.

4.) 18 Jun 2019 05:45:20
Toronto doesn’t have money or a 1st round pick this year. I believe the mastermind Chevy wanted to get back into the 1st round. Please tell us Joe how much the rest of the Jets that want out are worth.

5.) 18 Jun 2019 10:59:21
Lol Joe, no need to bring Toronto into this, I can tell your raging on the inside. The Leafs will go after a more affordable guy like Colin Miller or so.

Or hmmm, hear me out, Trouba isn’t a #1 dman and top 20 dman in the league? that's why his return was so low? Hahahahah.

6.) 18 Jun 2019 11:18:33
Why would any canadian team m trade assets for a guy who doesn’t want to play in Canada?

these are things that impact a player’s return — things that an intelligent, unbiased person accounts for when predicting a player’s trade value.

7.) 18 Jun 2019 19:40:30
One thing I will miss is debating over what Trouba would get in a trade. Some offers posted here were a way better return than the actual deal. Now we can have fun with what Ehlers could get the Jets in a potential trade.

8.) 19 Jun 2019 17:50:18
Wow there was a 6th overall and Joe Veleno for Trouba proposed.

I am so glad that whoever said that is not a real GM. It is so bad.

9.) 22 Jun 2019 03:25:42
Memarcus said it wasn’t enough 😂.



25 Feb 2019 20:53:14
Petan to the Leafs for Par Lindholm. think Jets fans will finally admit how worthless he is now that he didn’t bring in Stone? Lol.


1.) 27 Feb 2019 12:31:55
I actually never minded Petan as a 4th liner. I think leafs made a good move with that one.




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22 Aug 2021 20:37:06
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11 Aug 2021 19:22:43
Pettersson is a franchise C who had an unlucky injury slow down his career. Though with how much of a mess the Canucks last season was, I don't think him staying healthy would have mattered.

As for value in the trade its a fair deal, but MTL would be getting by far the best player, and it would open a hole on the Canucks that KK will never fill. So with that said, the Canucks say no. Good proposal though!




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23 Jul 2021 18:58:33
Rangers would NOT be adding a pick to that Georgiev trade lol. Kassian is not the player Oilers fans wish he was and Stalock is a fringe backup on a good day.




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13 Jul 2021 19:09:38
No chance Reinhart signs for less than 6.5-7 AAV.




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No chance Reinhart signs for less than 6.5-7 AAV.





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