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26 Jun 2019 06:37:32
Vancouver: Tanev, Goldobin, Schaller

Toronto: Johnsson, Kapanen, Dermott

Since apparent this is trash Canucks/ Leafs proposals day, here’s a good one.

Vertius

1.) 26 Jun 2019 10:02:49
1) why would toronto bother resigning johnsson and kapenen just to trade them?
2) why would toronto clear out cap space by trading marleau to resign younger players just to trade the players they plan on resigning?
3) i see dermott having a higher ceiling in toronto long term than tanev would helping short term
4)no from toronto.


2.) 26 Jun 2019 10:59:22
I’ll take Dermotte over that whole package just awful leafs give up the three most valuable pieces. A lot of people here might think I’m incredibly biased but I’m sure anyone here that’s a leaf will back me up when I say Dermotte can easily step into a top 4 role next season. Goldobin is okay wouldn't crack the leafs top 9 if he was a LW possibly the 3rd line And Schallar is awful. Tanev is as Injury prone as it gets and is coming off an awful season he might be worth a mid pick.

So basically it’s 3rd, 3rd And 7th for 1st, 1st And 1st

Kappanen could get a mid 1st, Johnsson could get something around 19 overall and not sure what Dermotte could get but he’s probably the most valuable piece from the leafs POV- a cost controlled young top 4 dman.


 

 

25 Jun 2019 17:59:28
Well, according to Vb, a better rookie season means a better player overall, and he believes that because Marner had a better rookie season than Kucherov, that he will eventually be better than Kucherov and hit 130 points himself.

So, by that logic, Pettersson - who had a better rookie season than Marner - will be better than Marner - and by extension Kucherov - and Canucks fans should expect him to hit, at least, 150 points in a season.

But, Pettersson is a Centre which means his value is automatically higher, so how about this:

Canucks: Pettersson

Leafs: Marner, Rielly

No? I didn't think so either. Do you finally see how stupid your logic is Vb? Or are you a lost cause?

Vertius

1.) 25 Jun 2019 20:15:44
Thanks for not including all leaf fans. Vbb’s, the self proclaimed genius does not represent all of us. Neither does pinball.


2.) 25 Jun 2019 22:00:47
Everything I say comes true so I mean I’m not sure 🤔 Marner is one of the top 10 most valuable pieces in the game because of his age and skill.


3.) 25 Jun 2019 22:46:15
@Leafs17

I'm pretty sure VB is a Newfie, so that should explain some of his horrible thinking.


4.) 25 Jun 2019 22:59:33
Get over yourself vbb’s. Please let us know what that everything is. Hayes getting 7 million, big f’n deal. He’s a big #2 center that puts up decent numbers. Not too far fetched. I believe there was something about a trade too but I don’t remember. I would say all the non sense that’s come from your mouth for the last 5 years evens that up. No need to be a big shot, some of these posters put us in the same group as you.


5.) 25 Jun 2019 23:53:05
VB man, come on, these takes are trash mate.


6.) 25 Jun 2019 23:23:16
“Marner had more assists than Pettersson has points in his career”, well he’s only played one season and that first season was better than Marners.
I also have to add Hughes definitely has Reilly potential.


7.) 26 Jun 2019 02:15:31
@tyba4 what do you have against newfies? . Where are you from?


8.) 26 Jun 2019 02:32:46
1st of all with the Assists thing I was stirring the pot

2nd Hughes does have Riellys potential. Definitely not worth close to Rielly until he proves it tho.

3rd I said Detroit will reach for a deffensman. Projected Karlssons return and everyone said I was crazy. Proposed Johansson for Jones and got ridiculed. I’m usually pretty accurate with other signings but this is on the top of my head.


9.) 26 Jun 2019 07:17:48
My apologies, you are a genius.


 

 

22 Jun 2019 18:47:37
Confirmed.

Vancouver: J. T. Miller

Tampa Bay: Conditional first-round pick in 2020, a third-round selection in 2019 and goaltender Marek Mazanec. Should the Canucks not make the playoffs in 2019-20, the first-round selection will move to the 2021 draft.

Vertius

1.) 22 Jun 2019 19:19:30
Terrible for Vancouver the leafs gave a 1st to dump Marleau the Lightning got a 1st to dump JT Miller that’s a better return then what Subban got.


2.) 22 Jun 2019 19:41:37
So bad for Vancouver but you got to factor in age and his versatility of position that made him more attractive.

Definitely paid too much by Vancouver though.


3.) 22 Jun 2019 19:43:20
It’s not terrible at all, Miller is a 50 point guy who can play LW and C. A lottery protected first, a third, and an ahl goalie is fair value. The Canucks will likely be back in the playoffs by 2021 so even if TB gets that pick, who cares?


4.) 22 Jun 2019 20:07:27
Miller is def. more valuable than Marleau but that deal still stinks for Vancouver.


5.) 22 Jun 2019 20:43:54
Vancouver is improving but I feel this is too early for them to take that step of making a trade like this.


6.) 22 Jun 2019 21:40:47
Ohh yes I’m not saying he isn’t I’m just saying he’s a cap dump for Tampa.


7.) 22 Jun 2019 23:32:39
cap dump/ cap casualty depends on how you see it.

I might be in the minority here, but I like the trade mainly because Vancouver absolutely stole Hoglander with their 2nd rdp. This guy is a stud. He’s a Swedish copy of Brendan Gallagher. He’s going to push for a spot this up coming season and if he doesn’t make the opening night roster he can play right away in the AHL. What a steal!


8.) 23 Jun 2019 00:19:35
JT Miller's is 26, under 6 million and can play at multiple position. The price is actually fair for a guy Vancouver wanted. It's not a steal by any means but a solid trade for both teams imo.


9.) 22 Jun 2019 23:28:09
I don’t think the value is that bad or off, Miller is a valuable piece, but I’m not sure Vancouver is the team to be making that deal with where they are in their competitive cycle. The goalie is also overseas so just the rights, but that 2021 first could be a high pick if Vancouver doesn’t improve drastically.


10.) 23 Jun 2019 01:43:03
Vancouver should be a playoff team next year and JT Miller helps with that too. In the right situation he's a 60+ point guy imo.


11.) 23 Jun 2019 02:28:37
I personally love Miller. Not sure about the value but he’ll be top 6 in Vancouver and be putting up good numbers.


12.) 23 Jun 2019 07:34:05
As jbs said, fair price to pay for Miller, probably done by the wrong team, tho.
And just because TB has good use for the cap space the Miller trade creates, doesn't mean he was s cap dump. Cap dumps are players who aren't worth their contract, which isn't the case here, clearly.
Miller is a very useful top 6 F, can play all 3 positions, physical play.
So this is in no way comparable to the Marleau trade, but since it's from VB, I'm not surprised anwyways.


13.) 23 Jun 2019 12:08:59
Personally, if Miller and Skinner still got paid the same I'd take Miller bcuz of his versatility. At 5.25 million it's a deal in this market imo.


14.) 23 Jun 2019 18:46:17
I was in no way comparing him to Marleau I was comparing the cap situation of the Leafs to Tampa.


 

 

22 Jun 2019 17:44:00
Confirmed.

New Jersey: P. K Subban

Nashville: Santini, Davies, 2x 2nd Round Pick.

Vertius

1.) 22 Jun 2019 18:05:44
Woah! New Jersey going big. Didn’t believe this when I saw it until it showed up on TV! Wow!


2.) 22 Jun 2019 18:43:35
Instant help but in 3 years another team in cap hell.


3.) 22 Jun 2019 19:08:12
@islandjet possibly but it won't be because of subban he will be gone by then.


4.) 22 Jun 2019 19:22:35
3rd line wingers will be getting payed 7 million in 3 years.

Top players will be getting 15 million +

In 20 years top players will be getting 30 million+.


5.) 22 Jun 2019 19:57:19
Didn’t the cap go down this season? Or at least didn’t go up.


6.) 22 Jun 2019 20:50:18
They got to do the cba soon so contracts will level out. Wont see a bigger contract than McDavid for a while.


7.) 22 Jun 2019 21:42:11
It’s projected to go up 2 million but 3 million lower then originally anticipated.


 

 

22 Jun 2019 17:23:58
Confirmed.

Leafs: 2020 sixth-round pick

Hurricanes: Patrick Marleau, a conditional first round pick (2020) and a seventh round pick (2020).

Shoutout to the leafs fan telling me the Canucks would have to add to take Marleau for his ‘veteran presence’ lmao

Can all the Leafs/ Jets fan on here just take a break? I can’t recall how many times they’ve called me or others on here clueless about player values, but after looking at the returns their players have gotten time and time again, they just need to look in the mirror and realize that they’re the ones way out in outer space and clueless on values, not us.

Vertius

1.) 22 Jun 2019 17:43:36
What a sad existence some people have that being right on a trade board is so important to them.


2.) 22 Jun 2019 18:03:02
I wish I Yzerman took Marleau for this price. That would be a great deal.

Well done Canes and glad Leafs had to pay a hefty price to get out of their cap problems.


3.) 22 Jun 2019 18:04:14
What a sad existence some have to attack people on a hockey board who don’t agree with how valuable their players are xDD *cough* Islandjet *cough*.


4.) 22 Jun 2019 18:05:02
It was quite obvious they were going to have to pay to get rid of marleau cap hit didn't expect they would have to pay this much though.


5.) 22 Jun 2019 19:24:09
Leafs made out like bandits on this one I thought they’d have to give Kappanen. Great deal for the leafs.


6.) 22 Jun 2019 19:54:08
Carolina gouged the Leafs good and all the leaf homers were telling us that Marleau would net them a positive return. 😆

A first to dump a contract with only one year of term. Well done Dumbass! The rookie GM gets schooled again.


7.) 22 Jun 2019 20:12:48
This post really shows how all over the place everyone’s thoughts are. Some think leafs gave too much and others think it’s good, including a non leaf fan. I’m guessing the truth lies in between.


8.) 22 Jun 2019 20:38:08
Did someone really say Marleau would get a positive return? I’d love to know who. I’m guessing it wasn’t all the leaf homers like biasjoe suggests. “Rookie GM gets schooled again” I guess you’ve moved pass Chevy giving Trouba away. Why so much hate douche?


9.) 22 Jun 2019 20:41:03
Anyone with common sense knew it was going to cost the Leafs something of value to entice a team to eat the last year of Marleau’s contract. My guess would have been Bracco or one of their D-prospects (the same way anyone with common sense could tell you Trouba wasn’t getting Nolan Patrick plus) .

I don’t think this is a bad look for Dubas either. He paid the price to fix a mistake made by his predecessor. If he can do the same with Zaitsev the Leafs cap problems are solved and they will be able to keep all of the young players they want to.


10.) 22 Jun 2019 22:38:22
Who said Marleau would net Positive? Marcus, everyone can see the salt in you, because the Jets have done sh*t within the last week, you turn to leaf hating, ha.

I will admit, this is higher than I would’ve thought; I would’ve thought it would be like Bracco + Brown as a sweetener, or A 2nd++, but I think the only guy who thought Marleau would net positive is Pinny, so don’t generalize all leaf fans lmao.


11.) 22 Jun 2019 23:16:05
It looks like the leafs are close with Kapanen and Johnsson. I heard 3.2-3.4 for Kapanen. I’m not an expert like some people on this site but I like that price tag. I was worried Kapanen would get 5. I hope they don’t sign these 2 and then trade them. If they keep everyone, obviously someone has to go to get a d man but I’m in with giving up a 1st to keep the core.


12.) 22 Jun 2019 23:58:37
Similar deal for johnsson but 4 years. Great work by Dubie getting those two signed and safe from offersheets. They were the low hanging fruit because teams could make offers that would only cost them only 1st or 2nd. Used Marleau’s space for them.


13.) 23 Jun 2019 02:32:26
I don’t like giving up a 1st again but the leafs have a lot of depth in the system, for now. If it allows everyone to get signed, great. I really think Dubas is doing alright. He should’ve traded Nylander the second he held out but whatever.


14.) 23 Jun 2019 03:09:43
Id take those numbers with a grain of salt leafs17 I mean it's obviously just a guess by someone with no actual knowledge of the situation. You know as well as I do dubas and company would not be leaking any contract info on these two guys with the offer sheet period so close unless signing them already done. Not sayin this isn't the number they will sign for but it just looks to me someone cut marleaus cap hit in half and split it between the two of them lol.


15.) 23 Jun 2019 06:40:14
Who knows?


 

 

 

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18 Jun 2019 01:04:42
Hhahah oh my god, I have to post again.

The jets got back their own first round pick in the Trouba deal so it's essentially Trouba for Pionk 1 for 1. LOL

I'll say it again. What happened to Trouba for Ekblad?! Trouba for Werenski?! Trouba for Kakko+?! You Jets fans are DELUSIONAL LMAO.

Vertius

1.) 18 Jun 2019 02:41:57
Don’t forget Trouba for Joe Veleno and the 6th overall 😂 😂😂.


2.) 18 Jun 2019 03:34:18
Pretty terrible for the Jets, but trading him without an extension in place really killed the value.

I wonder why Toronto couldn’t beat that? Couldn’t afford him? The Leafs desperately need a #1 defenseman, how could they pass this up?


3.) 18 Jun 2019 05:02:58
That was a horrible trade.


4.) 18 Jun 2019 05:45:20
Toronto doesn’t have money or a 1st round pick this year. I believe the mastermind Chevy wanted to get back into the 1st round. Please tell us Joe how much the rest of the Jets that want out are worth.


5.) 18 Jun 2019 10:59:21
Lol Joe, no need to bring Toronto into this, I can tell your raging on the inside. The Leafs will go after a more affordable guy like Colin Miller or so.

Or hmmm, hear me out, Trouba isn’t a #1 dman and top 20 dman in the league? that's why his return was so low? Hahahahah.


6.) 18 Jun 2019 11:18:33
Why would any canadian team m trade assets for a guy who doesn’t want to play in Canada?

these are things that impact a player’s return — things that an intelligent, unbiased person accounts for when predicting a player’s trade value.


7.) 18 Jun 2019 19:40:30
One thing I will miss is debating over what Trouba would get in a trade. Some offers posted here were a way better return than the actual deal. Now we can have fun with what Ehlers could get the Jets in a potential trade.


8.) 19 Jun 2019 17:50:18
Wow there was a 6th overall and Joe Veleno for Trouba proposed.

I am so glad that whoever said that is not a real GM. It is so bad.


9.) 22 Jun 2019 03:25:42
Memarcus said it wasn’t enough 😂.


 

 

25 Feb 2019 20:53:14
Petan to the Leafs for Par Lindholm. think Jets fans will finally admit how worthless he is now that he didn’t bring in Stone? Lol.

Vertius

1.) 27 Feb 2019 12:31:55
I actually never minded Petan as a 4th liner. I think leafs made a good move with that one.


 

 

 

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19 Jul 2019 01:56:41
Funny how Vb always craps on Draisaitl saying he wouldn’t be so good without McDavid when Marner jumped 30 points after getting put with Tavares. The bias is joke worthy.

Draisaitl is a guy who can easily hold down center all year, his contract is better than what Marner is going to sign for, and skill wise, I’d say he’s as good or better then Marner. In a Draisaitl for Marner swap the leafs add, not Edmonton.

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17 Jul 2019 21:47:45
Exactly. Canucks wouldn’t retain anything.

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16 Jul 2019 20:20:49
NHL games don’t matter pinball, it’s the same reason Gusev is treated as a god on this site despite never setting foot on NHL ice.

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16 Jul 2019 00:51:26
Honestly not bad, I like it. It would be an all in move for NYI.

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15 Jul 2019 20:57:06
@TyBa4

I I can’t remember ever seeing a trade proposal from you that wasn’t at least -10 on the agree/ disagree ratio. Your a clown with zero clue what you’re talking about.

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