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18 Oct 2019 18:17:12



1.) 18 Oct 2019 19:31:18
Buffalo had too many defensemen as it is. They want to move a defenseman for a forward.

2.) 18 Oct 2019 19:36:27
Agree with Marcus in this one. So Ehlers for Risto makes more sense.

3.) 19 Oct 2019 14:33:54
Tor: Nylander
Buff: Risto
Leafs free up $2.4 mil cap space. Buff dumps a useless -54 d-man that would fit in well on the Leafs defense. STOP with the Ehlers for Risto trolls.

4.) 19 Oct 2019 16:27:29
A deal for risto would need forwards going back not a dman.

Kapanen would be a perfect target for buffalo but toronto would need to add a mid level prospect or a 3rd round pick

Nylander if was involved in this deal, much like i said with ehlers, buffalo would need to add prospects on their end. tage thompson, matej pekar would be my suggestion.

5.) 20 Oct 2019 04:39:44
Islandjet, what would any of your precious jets defenseman +/ - be at playing for a horrible team for their entire career? But then again pionk is jets best defenseman at the moment so ristolainen isn't an upgrade on their best defenseman? Such a homer its stupid.

6.) 20 Oct 2019 11:36:27
Wtf you know nothing about hockey if you think Poink is better then Morrisey.

7.) 20 Oct 2019 15:37:32
Shoots you think -54 d-man is an upgrade worth Ehlers shows how little you know about hockey. Better to be a called a homer than be a moron who contributes nothing here but stupid comments.

8.) 20 Oct 2019 17:59:45
Erik karlsson when his teams suck in ottawa was an awesome -62 in 4 season. this year he is an amazing -9.Thomas Chabot isn't he considered great. well his -24 in 2 seasons with ottawa must mean he sucks.

Either these guys really really suck or the +/ - stat is a crappy stat. can't be both.

9.) 20 Oct 2019 19:57:21
The Karlsson point I’d like to see Islandjet argue.

10.) 20 Oct 2019 21:02:14
Karlson was -64 in 4 seasons for an average of -16 per season. Risto was -128 the last 5 seasons which is an average of -26 per. Also Risto is no Karlson in so many other ways. The Jets don't want him for Ehlers.



14 Oct 2019 13:11:22

Devil's:Taylor Hall resigned 9 million for 7 years


1.) 14 Oct 2019 14:30:08
The Devils would laugh at that offer and if Hall wouldn't sign at 9 mil for 6, what makes you think he'll sign at 9 mil for 7?

Contrary to your beliefs, New Jersey can trade with any team they want. So, they will not be limited to a lowball offer from the Habs.

2.) 14 Oct 2019 15:06:36
If cole caufield or josh brook aren't one of the prospects going to jersey than jersey declines.

3.) 14 Oct 2019 16:18:25
Columbus traded for Panarin. How did that work out there? How about Dallas and Zuccarello? Winnipeg and Hayes? So why does Montreal trade anything to risk derail the rebuild for a stab in the dark shot at Hall? Because Hall is going to make them contenders? Lol. If Hall doesn’t want to stay in Jersey, what does Montreal have to offer him that makes him want to stay there?

I don’t see any reason for Montreal to make a trade for an unsigned Hall. And a resigned Hall will cost more than what is on offer here.

4.) 15 Oct 2019 01:21:55
MTL: Hall and Subban

NJ: Leihkonen, Romanov, 1st rounder, Weber, and Peohling.

La coupe s'en vient bientôt.



13 Oct 2019 22:23:05
MTL:Weber(1.5 million retain), 2rd2020,

Buff: Risto


1.) 13 Oct 2019 22:47:38
Montreal: Tatar
Buff: Risto.

2.) 13 Oct 2019 23:13:08
Buffalo has too many defensemen as it is. They want to move a defenseman for a forward. Maybe something like Drouin or Domi and Poehling or Suzuki for Ristolainen.

3.) 13 Oct 2019 23:22:45
Buffalo doesn't need another RhD and neither does montreal. price and weber are tight. montreal or their fanbase hasn't complained about weber or his cap hit so why start now.

Sorry to be this guy but for once i say montreal passes. weber is a legit top pairing regardless of his age. until he actually shows he is slowing down weber is a montreal lifer unless deal blows montreal over rhe top.

4.) 13 Oct 2019 23:03:47
Yeah I don't think mil does that lol.

5.) 14 Oct 2019 15:14:09
I would pull the trigger on this trade if I was the Habs GM. I doubt Sabres GM would though unless Habs add Leihkonen.

6.) 14 Oct 2019 16:21:44
Weber’s contract is a massive boat anchor and if he retires early the team he is on at the time gets hit with a recapture penalty against there cap. Just to get out from Webers contract is good enough reason to make this trade.

7.) 14 Oct 2019 18:01:53
Actually hockey fanatic. If Weber retires before the contract is up it is Nashville that gets hit with the cap repercussions. Just like Vancouver and luango situation.

8.) 15 Oct 2019 00:54:57
Actually CTC it’s both teams. Just look at Florida’s salary. They have a recapture penalty of about $1M. It’s both the team that signed him, and the team that has him on roster at retirement.

9.) 15 Oct 2019 18:35:56
if weber retires this would be what is owed to both teams

20-21 nash 4.1 mont .762
21-22 nash 4.91 mont .543
22-23 nash 6.14 mont .215
23-24 nash 8.19 mont 0
24-25 nash 12.29 mont 0
25-26 nash 24.57 mont 0

thats the breakdown if weber decides to retire
the 23-24,24-25,25-26 seasons only 1 million is owed in actual cash each year to weber and since those years don't affect montreal . weber may retire. what would nashville do?

10.) 16 Oct 2019 03:57:55
Well before weber actually announces his retirement they could work out a deal with Montreal and weber and send idk a couple 1st round picks to Montreal for weber and put him on ltir for 3years.

11.) 16 Oct 2019 16:45:53
How did you get those numbers? Is there a formula? I’d like to know how to make that calculation too.

12.) 16 Oct 2019 20:55:30
Nashville won’t be able to do anything. Although 24.57 sounds like it is over the max a team can pay a player. So I’m sure Nashville might be able to appeal that last one somehow. If I’m not mistaken, 20%*85.5=17.1. So if Weber is a 24.57 million cap hit, he exceeds the 20%.

Does anyone else think it’s unfair the nhl put these retirement rules with recapture penalties into affect after the contracts were signed, just to punish teams for doing what was allowed by the cba at the time?



13 Oct 2019 11:17:41



1.) 13 Oct 2019 15:40:31
Can a trade offer for useless Risto be any more one sidedly and biased against the Jets? Wow, I can't believe this stupid, stupid post.

2.) 13 Oct 2019 16:37:12
No matter how much you try to push it, the Jets have zero need for bottom pairing defensemen.

The Jets wouldn't give any one of those three players for Risto, let alone all 3.

I know you think Risto is comparable to Seth Jones, Mantha. But that just shows how absolutely terrible you are at assessing players abilities.

3.) 13 Oct 2019 16:38:11

Cant trade ehlers straight up
Cant trade ehlers even if buffalo adds young prospects or picks
Cant trade this proposal because these 3 guys are amazing
Cant trade lower level prospects who "might" be on jets by 2020-21

Starting to think Jets fans just don't want Ristolainen so why does his name keep being plugged in trades to the Jets.

4.) 13 Oct 2019 17:01:35
I think you're exaggerating again Craigger. When has a trade been proposed where Buffalo adds picks or prospects to Ristolainen for Ehlers?

It's not a good look when you have to exaggerate and lie because you don't have anything objective or worthwhile to add to the discussion.

Although you are correct the Jets don't even have a passing interest in Ristolainen.

5.) 13 Oct 2019 17:03:28
Craigger12 I'm glad you understand that the Jets wouldn't want this mistake pron, -50 plus/ minus who gets $5.4 mil per and is a turnover machine. Let Buffalo keep him or trade him to a team that needs a downgrade in their defense.

6.) 13 Oct 2019 17:44:07
But, Risto would be a top pairing D on Winnipeg 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️.

7.) 13 Oct 2019 18:24:34
Maybe take out Appleton, Vesalainen and Roslovic would be good value for Risto.

8.) 13 Oct 2019 19:48:05
You got to cool it down a bit. I was actually sticking up for winnipeg stating if none of these 4 options makes any jets fan happy than maybe the risto rumor mill should stop turning.

By the way ehlers roslovic for ristolainen was the proposal. i said if ehlers is involved than buffalo better cough up 2 young prospects to make it happen. thompson was one and i can't remember the other but 2 anyhow. Someone, have know clue who, stated that's still not enough if ehlers is involved. i said ok.

So yeah, if i over exaggerated what I've seen as the value being offered in this endless ristolainen pointless debate than i appologise but for the record i was on winnipegs side. if you guys don't want risto its now been made pretty apparent by 3-4 fans not just one. If 1 person disagrees with me its fine but if more come on in and disagree than point has been made

Vertius, that's the best way to put this trade. loved it

I still like ristolainen and think he will turn it around +/ - wise as buffalo gets better but hey i'm on my own island.

9.) 13 Oct 2019 20:01:52
Okay then Craigger, I misunderstood you then, sorry about that.

I thought you were saying Jets fans were being unreasonable turning down all these great deals.

I agree though about ending the bad Risto proposals. We have no interest in him, so proposing the same deals over and over again with slight variations isn't very productive and really isn't interesting to discuss.

10.) 13 Oct 2019 20:41:34
Its all good. some of those deals wher unbearable. lol.

11.) 13 Oct 2019 23:06:55
It’s funny how Memarcusjoe keeps talking like he speaks for WPG. ‘We have no interest in Ristolainen” my ass. You don’t know what WPG wants, get out of your delusions. And I know damn well no one on this site cares what your biased ass wants, so I hope the proposals continue, just so I can keep watching you cry daily.

12.) 14 Oct 2019 16:27:13
^vertius said it best.

13.) 14 Oct 2019 20:13:06
Vertius said it well

14.) 14 Oct 2019 23:55:23
on what planet would the jets not want risto with the state their d is in. if all it costs are prospects who won't have any impact for 2-3 years i don't see how bad it could be.

moving from the armpit of america to the armpit of canada has some advantages.



13 Oct 2019 01:01:08

Winnipeg: Ehlers

Just value wise


1.) 13 Oct 2019 05:34:31
Tatar is 28, a winger, very ordinary and 2 years from UFA and Fleury is a nothing special defensive prospect. So, in other words pretty terrible value.

If you wanted to be close in value, you would have to start with a 2C/ top 4D around the same age and skill level as Ehlers.

2.) 13 Oct 2019 07:18:12
That’s good value for Ehlers, though considering how weak Winnipeg’s D is, if any winger gets moved, an NHL D will need to come back. FLeury is a good prospect, but prospects don’t really help Winnipeg right now.

3.) 13 Oct 2019 14:15:39
2 years of Tatar at 5 million, a young top 4 D in the making and a second rounder is not bad for a 30 goal player imo.

4.) 13 Oct 2019 16:24:04
Another dumb post trying to get the Jets to give away a young, relatively inexpensive player signed for 5 more years in Ehlers for Tatar and average prospect and a 2nd. No way the Jets do this joke of a trade.

5.) 13 Oct 2019 17:15:52
Tatar replaces ehlers points for 2 years then the so called amazing prospects i keep reading around here that the jets have take over

Jets gain Fleury who is the 2017-18 coming out party version of josh morrisey this season only plays RHD.

Then montreal hands winnipeg a 2nd rounder to add to what I've also read around here a very deep prospect pool the jets have.

Personally i think either you're really attached to ehlers or you simply think winnipeg can't replace tatar in 2 years with their so called deep prospect pool. its one or the other. pick one.

6.) 13 Oct 2019 19:12:43
It's neither Craigger. It's that Tatar is 28 and has never produced, save his career year last season, anywhere close to Ehlers and is 2 years from UFA.

Yes, if you're an idiot that trade might make sense. But objectively no one being honest would make that trade from a Jets point of view.

Again in terms you might understand. Would you accept that deal (value wise) for Nylander?

7.) 13 Oct 2019 20:25:57
Tatar had 19g 39p sophmore year playing 3rd line on pretty good detroit team . he became a 25-29 goal scorer 45-56 point player on diminshing Detroit team that each year kept losing a star. He had 1 bad year on a horrible detroit team got dealt and was playing 3rd line on a stacked vegas team that went to the cup. Last year he played great and if you see him play he plays gritty so his points don't tell hole story

Ehlers is a 60 point player coming off a down year but has never had bad playing partners. when you get to play with a cast of studs you get points. When they slump you slump. he still is a good player young and on goid contract

Both players are fast and skilled and have an edge to their game. this deal isn't for each other. montreal adds a rhd man and a 2nd rounder.

You didn't get what i was writing. Tatar replaces ehlers points for 2 years and if winnipeg is confident one of their prospects will step up by then, then getting fleury and a 2nd looks like a steal for basically nothing.

As for you resorting to toronto again, ill write this
If i was confident leafs had a replacement for tatar in 2 years ready to go then yes this is a done deal. tatar will get nylanders points for 2 years then get replaced by someone who is a prospect now to take that spot. getting fleury and 2nd for basically nothing would be amazing. if production is never lost then did you really lose anything.

Problem is unless sheldon keefe coaches the leafs guys like bracco, robertson, sda, korchkov just will never get that chance to be that guy in 2 years.

I simply don't have as high hopes that the leafs have a prospect ready to go in 2 years, the way you hype the jets prospects, to replace nylande/ tatar production on matthews wing. making it appear by you that winnipeg would making this a good deal. Its no biggy though, you just have to stop with misreading what is really being written because in the end you either are confident in winnipegs prospects to replace ehlers/ tatar production in 2 years or you're not.

Im not on torontos end at this time.

8.) 13 Oct 2019 20:49:34
Remember even though nylander has a cap hit of 6.9 he is actually only owed 700K this season as 8 million was paid on july 1st.12 million last year was paid to him.

5 years for 28 million actual cash owed is a steal.

This doesn't matter to montreal as they are rich but for any team not in cap trouble and are cash strapped nylander would be a good target. His value is more than ehlers for his kind of reason. not much more but just a snig.

Again, if toronto had a prospect they deemed they're next top 6 RW who they think is ready in 2 years than i think tatar and fleury with a 2nd works pretty good. also if that prospect doesn't work out theyd have 6.9 million to replace that spot beside matthews. either way. its all good. just a conversation of sorts. lol.

9.) 13 Oct 2019 22:46:19
Craigger, the problem is that Tatar doesn't replace Ehlers points for the next 2 years. If you set aside Tatar's career year last season, he is a 40 point player trending down.

While Ehlers at 23 is a 60 point player when you set aside his injury plagued year last season and is only getting better. So, you're about 20 points minimum low there and there's a much, much better chance that Ehlers returns to form and even exceeds it, than there is of Tatar exceeding or even repeating his career season.

So, giving up a young 60 point winger for a 28 year old declining winger, just to pick up a prospect who projects to be a bottom pairing defenseman just isn't worth it.

It would be terrible asset management.

10.) 13 Oct 2019 22:58:52
However, you were saying that I misread what you said but then do the same thing on one of my posts. Where did I say one of Appleton, Vesalainen, Samberg or Roslovic would replace Ehlers production in a couple years?

All I said is that I wouldn't move any of those guys for Ristolainen. Simply because getting Ristolainen doesn't outweigh the impact of losing any one of those players. I'd rather just keep the young guys and stay the course.

Good conversation though. I guess we just need you read each others posts more carefully. Lol.

11.) 14 Oct 2019 13:20:13
Yeah, sorry. sometimes to make the conversation go one direction i can manipulate words a bit. we all do it, its not right but its a human flaw we all got. lol

I also think tatar can't relace ehlers no matter who he plays with

Good points.




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10 Oct 2019 20:58:06
Just a quick post to say I saw Rasmus Ristolainen last night and tonight he was the best defencemen on both teams. I have no clue why people say he's awful on this site. He's not far from Seth Jones ino


1.) 11 Oct 2019 15:08:16
People exaggerate everything. It got to the point where I think people were saying Buffalo is going to have to add something for a team to take him. He’s definitely a really good D. A good physical puck mover.

Also can we squash the whole “if he’s so good why are you always trying to trade him” line? Just because he’s in trade rumours doesn’t mean he’s bad. Use your head a little. Most recently islandjet tried that little line.

2.) 11 Oct 2019 19:36:07
He’s great at some things but he’s a below average skater that lacks hockey sense.

3.) 11 Oct 2019 22:27:24
No he's actually quite fast. On MTL he'd be the second fastest defensemen.

4.) 12 Oct 2019 03:02:02
He's not faster then mete or petry so that would make him 3rd at best.

5.) 12 Oct 2019 08:12:23
He's not good, simple as that. The only part of the game where he provides some value is on the PP, at ES he's a negative.



17 Sep 2019 23:05:30
Overpaid player in nhl:

Milan Lucic(Edmonton
Karl Alzner (MTL)
Marner (Tor)
Parise (Min)
Johansson (Nashville)
Toronto(Austin Powers)
Tom Wilson(Wsh)


1.) 18 Sep 2019 08:09:55
Neither Marner nor Johansen nor Wilson belong on a list with guys like Lucic or Alzner. Tons of other worthy candidates for that list tho.

2.) 18 Sep 2019 10:06:36
Your list is horrible, the post itself is horrible

3.) 18 Sep 2019 10:27:04
It’s made to spite leafs players lol Paniran has a worse contract then anyone on the leafs and if you don’t agree you’re ignorant.

4.) 18 Sep 2019 14:32:28
Lucic is in Calgary now not Edmonton. Lol.

And lmao VB with that funny opinion of yours. “If you don’t agree with me then you’re ignorant! Wahhh”. Talk about ignorant right there.

5.) 18 Sep 2019 14:33:30
Yeah not a lot effort put into that list bud.

6.) 18 Sep 2019 19:03:49
You could almost make the argument that Loui Eriksson and Bobby Ryan should be on this list rather than Matthews and Marner. Maybe I am crazy.

7.) 18 Sep 2019 19:39:02
I guess I’m something like a god then because what I said is an correct statement with no debut unless you’re brain dead if you disagree with me yup I pity you.

8.) 18 Sep 2019 22:10:38

9.) 18 Sep 2019 22:10:51
Bobby Ryan, Loui Eriksson, Brent Seabrook, Milan Lucic, James Neal, Karl Alzner, Ryan Kesler, Nikita Zaitsev, Zach Parise, Johnny Boychuk, Dustin Brown. Those are some contracts to think about my friend.

10.) 18 Sep 2019 22:40:03
My apologies I made a typo debate*.

11.) 19 Sep 2019 10:24:15
Yes you are correct I have an IQ below 50 and I could still teach you and yup the definition of inflation. Lol I probably have a higher IQ then your whole family combined.

12.) 20 Sep 2019 23:04:55
I highly doubt it vb, I don't know chirp from a hole in the ground but you claiming to have a high IQ is a laughable statement around here.

13.) 21 Sep 2019 10:33:45
I'm not a fan of vb's but at least he's above calling people dumb and derping around like a bob probert ass blast. Guy def has over 200 IQ on a bad day c'mon.



14 Sep 2019 11:02:37
It's Official! Now that Mitchell Marner is signed, Austin Matthews will be leaving for Arizona in 5 years!


1.) 14 Sep 2019 12:27:34
Lol is arizona going to have an NHL franchise in 5 years?

2.) 14 Sep 2019 13:37:48
Any comment Mantha on Marner signing for 3-5 million more than he’s worth? All you do is bash the leafs and tell us how good Montreal and Detroit players are.

3.) 14 Sep 2019 14:06:46
3 to 5 mln is a stretch but marner is definitely overpaid. He makes a million and a half more than kucherov on a contract that is two years shorter.

All of Marner, Matthews and Nylander are making a million or so more than they should be IMO. But that’s not going to sink them, and is better than overpaying guys like Jeff Finger and David Clarkson like they did for the past millennium.

4.) 14 Sep 2019 14:51:09
Good signing by the Leafs as Marner is their best player and they showed it by paying him close to what Tavares and Matthews, who I believe is overpaid, get. As much as
this signing really will put the Leafs in cap trouble now in 2 years the cap may go up $5-7 mil with Seattle entering the league, so it won't seem that bad then.

5.) 14 Sep 2019 15:56:07
Oh, you managed to hurt Leafs17 feelings Martha, now say you’re sorry.

6.) 14 Sep 2019 19:53:07
Arizona is most likely going to become Quebec.

7.) 17 Sep 2019 11:21:28
Marner is worth 7.9million at most so ya at 10.9 million he is overpaid.

8.) 17 Sep 2019 11:22:09
Marners is overpaid by 3 million if not more because he is worth around 7.9 million and he's getting 10.9 million.

9.) 17 Sep 2019 18:16:49
@ Detroit didn't you say last week he was worth 9 million what happened? Did he develop a forth nite addiction over the summer?

10.) 18 Sep 2019 03:08:12
Yes he did habby. I wouldn’t have called him out for no reason. Mantha is clueless.

11.) 18 Sep 2019 20:47:57
Mantha also claimed above that because of tax differences, "If Point gets 7.5 million in Tampa he will be making just as much as Marners 10.9 million in Toronto"

So Marner is worth 7.9 mln at most, but he has to get paid roughly $3 mln more because of the tax difference (which is not nearly that significant but let's pretend that it does for the sake of pointing out the inconsistency he has posted on a single page) .

Marner is either overpaid by $3 mln, or the tax difference between Toronto and Tampa at $10.9 mln is ~$3 mln. You can't have it both ways.



13 Sep 2019 19:46:18
What do u guys think about the Kyle Connor Offer sheet from MTL rumor?

MTL:offer sheet Kyle Connor 8.2million for 8 years


1.) 13 Sep 2019 20:37:03
That would be awesome for Winnipeg. Montreal would be overpaying Connor and giving the Jets 4 firsts to do it. However, they can only offer 7 years.

2.) 13 Sep 2019 20:51:11
Actually, I guess with it being over 7 years, it wouldn't be too bad of an overpay. Maybe just the first 3 years or so. But still I think the Jets may consider taking the 4 firsts.

3.) 14 Sep 2019 04:04:11
They wouldn't give up 4st for Aho I doubt they would for Connor or even laine for that matter.

4.) 14 Sep 2019 04:29:53
I hope not. I like him, but not for 4 Firsts.

5.) 14 Sep 2019 04:31:46
If Habs are going to give up 4 first. then try and sign Laine.

6.) 14 Sep 2019 11:05:51
Where are you guys getting 4 first? That's not the compensation for this contract. It's a first, a second and a third.

7.) 14 Sep 2019 12:16:54
8mil @5years would be a 1sr 2nd And a 3rd but not at 8 years.

8.) 14 Sep 2019 15:59:07
Where did the four 1sts come from?

9.) 14 Sep 2019 17:37:00
The Jets will match that offer and deal with the cap problem with Laine later. Laine will sign a bridge for under $7 mil per.

10.) 14 Sep 2019 21:16:11
Wow memarcus where do the 4 firsts come from?

11.) 14 Sep 2019 22:28:51
7x8.2=57.4/ 5=11.48 any offer sheet more than 5 years takes the total contract value and divides it by 5. So in this case that would be 11.48 and it is 4 firsts for any offer sheet 10.6 and over.



06 Sep 2019 22:25:56
Detroit: Hronek, Svechnikov

Win: Connor


1.) 06 Sep 2019 22:38:38
Not close. The Jets won't trade Connor for two maybes when one of them is lousy.

2.) 07 Sep 2019 01:54:45
Hronek is not a maybe, He is a Top 4 RH Dman. Svechnikov is a wild card but only because of injuries otherwise he would have made the team right now.

I would love Connor on the Red Wings, just not sure if there is a fair price.

3.) 07 Sep 2019 03:24:12
46 games where Hronek looked okay, doesn't make him a lock as a top 4D in any way. If you want a sure fire 30 goal scorer, it will cost you more than that. But like you said, I doubt Detroit would be able to create a fair offer that works for both teams.

4.) 07 Sep 2019 09:51:24
Connor better score 30 again for that “for sure” thing.
Or it’s just another homer remark from ya to add to the list.

5.) 07 Sep 2019 12:51:06
Hronek may have a small sample size but he is basically our best Dman going into next year. He’s capable of playing big minutes and all situations. I would say that is the definition of at least Top 4. I never said he is Top pairing but he is definitely worth more than playing on your 3rd pair.

Connor had two 30+ goal seasons, Does that make him sure fire 30 Goal scorer? He is playing with two quality players In Scheifele and Wheeler, so he was bound to be productive. Could he translate that to another team? No guarantee, so just like you talk about Hronek as a maybe. Connor has his maybes as well.

But like we agreed on, neither side will like the trade price. My main point is you are over-valuing Connor and Under-valuing Hronek.

6.) 07 Sep 2019 15:16:11
So, Connor who has played 2 full seasons and never scored less than 31 goals isn't a 30 goal scorer, but a defenseman who looked okay in 46 games is a sure fire top 4D.

The bias on this site never ceases to amaze me.

7.) 07 Sep 2019 16:08:04
I don't believe that The Jets will be trading Connor soon, especially for this package, unless they are getting proven NHL quality in return.

8.) 08 Sep 2019 01:40:02
Ya, and you two Jets Homers are the two most biased on here. Even more so than VB to the Leafs/ Marner and that’s shockingly hard to to, But, congrats.

9.) 08 Sep 2019 01:54:39
@memarcusjoe, You clearly missed the point I said where Connor’s production is not all based on him. Has he carried his line? When I think of sure fire 30 goal scorers, I think of guys who can put up 30 regardless of who their line mates are.

Also if you are so amazed by the bias on this site, take a look in the mirror. The amount of bias you will see will literally be mind blowing.

10.) 08 Sep 2019 01:58:56
My main point for Hronek is that he is more valuable than you give him credit for. I’m not saying he is as good as Trouba or the best Dman ever. I’m just saying he is skilled and has great upside which means we would not trade him easily because he has great value especially to us with a horrible Defense without him.

11.) 08 Sep 2019 04:09:14
Yes Hronek has value, so I'm not under valuing him at all. He just doesn't have anywhere near enough to expect someone like Connor in return. That's just you showing how much bias you have and how you refuse to look at things objectively.

12.) 08 Sep 2019 04:12:41
And again, point out one biased thing I have said in this thread. While I have called you out and pointed out the exact statements you made that were biased, you can't point out a supposed biased statement that I have made.

13.) 08 Sep 2019 09:13:27
No Marcus. You’re the single Mose biased fan on here. Hands down. No question. You’re partner Island is a very close second.

14.) 08 Sep 2019 13:15:26
The biased statement you made is saying that Connor seems to deserve an extraordinary return and that you’re calling Hronek a maybe when he is showing consistency.

Remember the Drouin- Sergachev trade, there were maybes on both sides. Will Drouin succeed in new market and will Sergachev reach his potential.

You are supposedly suggesting that this is a flat out no from Jets, when Hronek is actually a pretty good basis for a trade.

15.) 08 Sep 2019 15:45:15
Okay come on Jets decline easily Svechnikov is just about worthless and Hronek while decent is not close to connor.

16.) 08 Sep 2019 17:24:01
Where did I say I expect an extraordinary return for Connor Datsyuk? All I said is that a maybe prospect with 46 games under his belt, doesn't get you into the running for a player that has never scored less than 31 goals, has said publicly that he wants to sign long term with the Jets and is only 22.

You need to actually read what people post and not attribute your beliefs to the other poster.

I know the normal reaction on this site is to give far more value to a player who may be good someday as opposed to a player that has actually done something in the NHL, but you are really letting your biases let you get carried away.




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20 Oct 2019 16:27:21
If Hall is a bust, what is RNH, Yakupov, Pulijujarvi, Pajaarvi, Nurse?




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19 Oct 2019 12:10:03
Sens laugh and hangup right away.




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18 Oct 2019 10:08:45
Rodrigue is looking solid.




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13 Oct 2019 14:15:39
2 years of Tatar at 5 million, a young top 4 D in the making and a second rounder is not bad for a 30 goal player imo.




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12 Oct 2019 12:32:06
2 rd2020.





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