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29 Jun 2019 14:40:14
Brown for Kassian
I know we've talked about this in the past and it seemed the leafs were more interested in Benning or Khaira. However, Brown & Kassian are an even swap salary wise and they have similar point production. Kassian brings the grit to the table while Brown is a few years younger. I'm sure more could be added to the mix but the leafs need to be more physical while Edmonton has plenty of it.


1.) 29 Jun 2019 16:26:23
There’s grit out there that isn't a borderline down syndrome lunatic like Kassian.

But I would guess Benning is on the Leafs radar.

2.) 29 Jun 2019 17:31:40
I have no problem with a lunatic. Better than a bunch of bitches!

3.) 29 Jun 2019 18:00:59
I think he'd be a good fit on Leafs 4th. and if he was acting like a lunatic. Babcock would jus sit him, scratch him. Whatever. Leafs have the depth to that. Oilers needed him to be a an every day player.
And honestly, I don't see him as a lunatic., he plays with an edge,

4.) 29 Jun 2019 21:04:20
Kassian hurts his team more than he helps. Kassian is constantly out of position and his gas tank is usually dry after 2 periods. The worst is the bonehead penalties.

Leafs just can’t afford to bench 2 million now.

I’m not a huge fan of Brown’s but he’s positioned, consistent, and plays smart for 60 full minutes.

5.) 29 Jun 2019 22:25:10
Rather have kassian than Brown?! Kassian only good player outsider the top 3.

6.) 29 Jun 2019 22:43:20
Lol. No from Edm.
Benning for Brown more like it.

7.) 29 Jun 2019 23:24:42
I’m guessing you think the value is not even close yupp? I really didn’t think Kassian has much value at all, just looking to add some toughness to the leafs.

8.) 30 Jun 2019 05:29:40
Kassian isn’t a some insane goon. He’s doing what Lucic was supposed to do by protecting the star players. His past incidents are far behind him. Oilers turned him around.

9.) 30 Jun 2019 16:23:05
Did the oilers turn him around or did Kassian realize it was his last chance to get paid doing what he loves?

10.) 30 Jun 2019 19:46:22
Yeah I’m sure if he was in Vegas he wouldn’t turn around. Oilers did, like the entire league gave up on him while the Oilers traded for him.

11.) 01 Jul 2019 11:48:50
I agree that they traded for him when teams were giving up on him. I think it’s a little of both. I’m sure he knew it was his last chance to be a millionaire.



23 Feb 2019 04:48:30
Kadri out with a concussion? Gardiner not at practice for a maintenance day? I say fake news, lol. I'm going to go with a different idea

Kadri/Gardiner for Ferland/Pesce.

Toronto has been linked to both of these players. Ferland brings in the physical presence and Pesce is a good RD on a reasonable contract. It's a small sample but it looks like Nylander is capable of playing center at the NHL level, if necessary.
Carolina could use center depth. Staal is not all that anymore and he's injured. Gardiner would be an offensive boost from the point.
It has been said that it has to be a money in, money out deal for the leafs. Ferland has a smaller cap hit than Gardiner and they're both UFA's. Kadri/Pesce would be the main pieces for both teams, both on similar contracts for years to come.


1.) 23 Feb 2019 05:28:07
Tavares/ Marner/ Hyman
Matthews/ Kapanen/ Johnsson
Nylander/ Ferland/ Marleau
Gauthier/ Brown/ Lindholm
Pesce/ Reilly
Zaitsev/ Muzzin
Hainsey/ Dermott.

2.) 23 Feb 2019 16:30:14
The only way I’d make that trade from a leafs POV is if they took Zaitsev. I believe Gardiner holds more value then Ferland And Kadri has more value then pesce also that leaves a huge hole at the 3rd line C position.

3.) 23 Feb 2019 16:46:01
How are we in a position where we are arguing both that Gardiner is a detriment to a team AND that he has more value than the top 2 way forward currently on the market?

4.) 23 Feb 2019 19:19:42
Gardiner is Toronto’s 2nd/ 3rd best dman as a dman he is out producing Ferland. 51 points as a deffensman is Elite.

5.) 23 Feb 2019 21:51:55
Ferland is not a C.

6.) 23 Feb 2019 21:49:54
Vbb’s he got 52 points once and is on pace for 40. Not too bad at all but Gardiner is not elite.

7.) 23 Feb 2019 22:13:52
If Nylander plays 3C vbb’s, the leafs still look pretty good.

8.) 23 Feb 2019 22:30:29
I'd rather keep Kadri if I was a Leafs fan.

9.) 23 Feb 2019 23:19:44
If you’re talking to me triplets, I put the Center first. Marner and Kapanen are not center either but Tavares and Matthews are.

10.) 24 Feb 2019 20:38:31
Just saw the third line lol, sorry. Curious: Why would you put the C first? Never seen that.

11.) 25 Feb 2019 05:06:23
I don’t know. It’s the centers line, so I put him first. When you’re talking about a line you would say Matthews line.



24 Jan 2019 05:50:17
Anaheim is 30th in the league in scoring and the injuries continue. The leafs are in need of a RH, stay home defenseman.

Kapanen for Manson

Anaheim gets a 22 year old winger with speed & skill. This also gives Anaheim more money this season to add at the deadline.
Toronto gets a 27 year old, physical RH defenseman. He is on a reasonable contract for the next 4 years as well.
I think this is a fair trade one for one. RH defenseman are at a premium but the age difference evens that out. Maybe a small tweak is necessary.


1.) 24 Jan 2019 11:09:12
Age difference does not even that out lol. Kapanen can be included in a package to get Manson but not straight up, comon. he's a 22 year old winger who's having a good season playing with some of the best young talents and veterans in the game. His value is similar to Arturi Lekonen. Add Johnson to the trade and a second rounder and I think its closer.

2.) 24 Jan 2019 12:26:27
Arturi Leckonen has nothing on Kappy.

3.) 24 Jan 2019 13:56:52
I don’t think the leafs add that much boom boom. Yes Kapanen is playing with talent, for the first time in his career. Guess what, every team has talent. I think Kapanen would do just fine with Getzlaf and Rakell too, or anywhere else for that matter. Manson is 5 years older, that’s a pretty big difference.

4.) 24 Jan 2019 15:50:29
I think it would be a fair trade. This is the kind of defenseman the leafs should expect in a Kapanen deal.

And to the “Arturi Lehkonen has nothing on Kappy”. sure he does, he has worse linemates. I’m not saying I don’t like Kapanen; but him and Lehkonen are similar in they way they don’t drive their lines, but can produce when put in a good situation.

5.) 24 Jan 2019 15:53:15
If Manson is traded for anything under a significant overpayment and the Leafs aren't the one to get him, that's a fail by Dubas. Big defensive RHD on a solid contract in his prime. If it costs Kapanen and Johnson or whatever they should do that deal without hesitation.

6.) 24 Jan 2019 16:25:41
Kapanen definitely gets the water brewing for Anaheim but they're needs to be good little pieces added to get a big RHD in his prime.

7.) 24 Jan 2019 17:15:13
Kappanen has Elite speed and can play in any situation he reminds me of Chris Kriender who I believe is a very underrated player in his own right.

8.) 24 Jan 2019 19:29:32
@vbbbb and like kreider he is really streaky and inconsistent. Lehkonen can also play in any situation and you may not admit it but he is better defensively then kapanen. So overall slight edge on offence for kap edge on defence for lehkonen overall they are pretty even at this point.



10 Jan 2019 04:26:59
Just a couple ideas to try and help both teams.

Toronto trades Brown to Edmonton for Kassian and a 2nd? They have similar cap hits, I added the pick from Edmonton because Brown is better and younger.
Toronto gets tougher, Edmonton gets a little deeper.


Toronto trades Kapanen to Edmonton for Kassian and Bear? Toronto gets tougher and another RD in their system. Edmonton gets a top 6 forward that could be real good with McDavid. I'm thinking Edmonton might have to add to this but I know Oiler fans really like Bear.

Are either of these fair value? I'd rather a Nylander/Nurse swap but I don't think that would ever happen.


1.) 10 Jan 2019 05:32:11
I personally wouldn’t include a 2nd to get brown, it would be a 3-4th round because like you said Toronto needs some grit and I don’t see brown worth that much.

2.) 10 Jan 2019 05:32:33
And Kassian and bear for Kapanen go right ahead.

3.) 10 Jan 2019 11:36:32
I wouldn't do the Kapanen deal to be honest. Kassian honestly has very low value, wouldn't trade away a guy on pace for 20/ 50 for him and Bear, even if Bear is highly regarded, aince he hasn't played much in the NHL. First trade i'm on board with, although, i don't think wed get a second.

4.) 10 Jan 2019 16:38:12
Thanks guys. I really don’t want to lose Kapanen and I don’t know a lot about Bear. I would like Kassian on Toronto though.

5.) 10 Jan 2019 20:52:55
Bear is former whl dman of the year and is a pp qb with an absolute cannon, shorter dman but with experience may be a competent offensive 3rd pairing dman.

6.) 11 Jan 2019 00:06:03
Thanks notdelusional. The leafs seem to like the little guys.

7.) 11 Jan 2019 04:27:48
Kapanen is a top six player. Looks like a perennial 20+ goal scorer. He is worth more than a depth forward and depth prospect. Kassian for Brown makes more sense.



30 Dec 2018 00:29:13
Seguin for Kotkaniemi, Alzner and a 1st?
I might be way off here but Montreal should go after Seguin while Weber & Price are still in their prime.
Montreal gets a #1 center and gives them a real good 1/2 down the middle. They also dump Alzner's contract.
Dallas gets a solid young center, 7 years younger than Seguin. They will also save $ once Seguin's new contract kicks in next year.


1.) 30 Dec 2018 01:22:15
No. not going to trade KK. I understand your logic behind the deal, the more I see of KK, the more I like.

2.) 30 Dec 2018 02:23:10
Price has been playing like trash if anything Dallas should go after Weber imo they have a better team just need better secondary scoring. They’re a good team that can’t put it together much like Saint Louis And Florida.

3.) 07 Jan 2019 16:43:49
No to Seguin. Should have stayed in Boston with Thorton.

4.) 07 Jan 2019 16:45:38
Why in would Habs want to deal with Dallas. They are going nowhere still dreaming of the Hull days twenty years later.




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13 Jul 2019 02:04:59
It's been a pretty boring week. I like the Ferland deal, for that price I'd take him over Johnsson, maybe Kerfoot too but he was part of a trade.I wouldn't take Ferland over Kapanen though. I thought someone was going to over pay big time for Ferland. It's about time Columbus signed someone. Dzingel is a start and I heard they talked to Marner's agent about an offer sheet. I'm most disappointed in Pavelski going to Dallas, sorry ProDepth. All those years the leafs couldn't make the playoffs, San Jose was my playoff team. I loved watching Pavelski destroy the Wings, he's one of my favorites. I'm ok with the Leafs moves, I admit that I'll miss Kadri, sometimes. When he played on the edge and didn't cross the line he was really effective. He hurt the leafs too often though. I think getting traded will be an eye opener for him and he'll have a few more really good years. I won't be happy until the leafs are more physical though, lots of talent but a bunch of bitches!
The Marner situation is starting to bother me. I've said many times before that Dubas should've traded Nylander the second he held out. Would've set a precedent and
maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. Maybe not though, there's other really key pieces to a team left unsigned. Do any of you guys wish your team did something different or do you like what they did?


1.) 13 Jul 2019 05:09:19
Dzingel signed with the Hurricanes.
Ferland deal looks good on paper but sucks for Vancouver.
5 million left to sign Boeser and Goldobin. Can’t really trade anyone without making a hole in your roster or without taking back salary.

2.) 13 Jul 2019 08:01:38
I wish my team would’ve signed Connolly (3.25 x 4), Dzingel (3.375 x 2), Hartman (1.9 x 2). Not wasted 750k on signing Jurco when they have no cap space. Traded Russell instead of buying out Sekera. Traded for Vessey (3rd), Burakovsky (2nd, 3rd), Miller (2nd, 5th) . Although I like the Granlund signing.

Lucic, Gagner, Chaisson, Kassian, Granlund, Khaira, Brodziak, Nygard, Jurco, Cave and Has. All bottom six guys with a couple capable of playing up the lineup. That’s a lot of money to spend on the bottom six when they only have three bona fide top six guys.

3.) 13 Jul 2019 16:44:29
Oh that’s right, Dzingel to Carolina. I read that the Ferland signing made things difficult for Vancouver but it’s still a pretty good price for him IMO. Ebs I don’t know what Edmonton can do with their situation. I’d give whatever it takes for someone to take Lucic.

4.) 13 Jul 2019 19:22:48
Oh yeah, Ferland deal is great. 40-50 point power forward who is capable of scoring 20 goals per season. With Myers, Ferland and Luongo’s salary it makes it really tough to sign Boeser though. I’d expect he’d want something like 6.5m for 2 years as a mini bridge deal.

5.) 18 Jul 2019 04:14:33
Thing with Ferland is that teams were worried about his concussion problems and that’s why it took so long for him to sign. He wanted term and teams were hesitant. Got 4 years from Vancouver, the most he was offered. Pretty sure it was 4.



01 Jul 2019 11:52:07
What's up with the leafs signing Agostino? I don't know much about him.


1.) 01 Jul 2019 15:04:39
27 points in 60ish games last year, always been a prolific AHL scorer. Potentially the next tyler ennis, or is a guy who goes and tears it up for the Marlies. Likely going to be the 12th or 13th forward on the team, assumping Goat is waived/ traded.

2.) 01 Jul 2019 15:15:18
Decent depth guy should fit in with the leafs.

3.) 01 Jul 2019 15:17:05
Thanks. Not interesting at all.

4.) 01 Jul 2019 17:27:50
Hey look on the bright side leafs17 you got spezza too.

5.) 01 Jul 2019 17:39:26
I really like the Spezza signing gives the leafs a excellent 3rd liner who can help on the 2nd PP and be a C replacement if a Center gets injured.

6.) 01 Jul 2019 19:02:47
Yeah it's a zero risk too for 700k.

7.) 02 Jul 2019 14:02:39
Nothing wrong with the Spezza signing at all. I’d still like to see some grit but I don’t think I will.

8.) 03 Jul 2019 05:21:03
See how I said the spezza signing was zero risk and somewhat agreed with vbbbbb.



30 Jun 2019 19:45:03
Leafs need a back up goalie, 4th line center, RD and some grit. Some names I'd be interested in are McElhinney, Engelland, Stralman, McQuaid, Schenn, Prout, Sheahan, Bellemare, McLeod. Some of these guys are going to be more money than others obviously. Some of these guys may resign with their current team and some are not very good but cheap, lol. If Engelland doesn't resign in Vegas he would be my first choice along with Bellemare and McElhinney. Any other names the leafs should target or any names that shouldn't even be on my list?




01 Jun 2019 21:04:46
Just a question for the jets fans out there. A couple of you turn down every single offer anyone suggests for Trouba. Do you guys have a proposal that you think is fair for Trouba or a #2 center you'd like to see on your team?


1.) 02 Jun 2019 00:46:56
Any Canadian fanbase over-values their players and their team. That's just how Canadians are.

And tbh I don't even think they really need a #2 centre as Jack Roslovic looks like he can step up and be just that.

2.) 02 Jun 2019 01:59:06
Have they tried Roslovic at #2 because Little doesn’t cut it?

3.) 02 Jun 2019 03:18:53
Would the Leaf fans trade Rielly for some of the offers posted on here for Trouba? No chance. The Jets don't want or need Kadri and Zaitzev so stop trying to get Trouba for him. By the draft Trouba will most likely be traded and we'll see what the Jets get for him.
I also agree with TyBa4 about Roslovic if Maurice ever gives him a chance to play with Ehlers and Laine.

4.) 02 Jun 2019 03:22:00
I really don’t think it has anything to do with being Canadian tbh. Fans like that exist in every fan base, larger fanbases have more of em. Everyone has at least some bias to their team as well if not only because they watch their team more than any other.

5.) 02 Jun 2019 03:36:27
One of the ones that I think could possibly work would be with Detroit. One of Hronek/ Cholowski/ McIssac and Detroit's 1st or maybe their second and another prospect/ pick. Something along those lines, all a bit variable on the actual picks/ prospects involved for an extended Trouba.

6.) 02 Jun 2019 04:45:54
Nah I know a lot of Jets fans — most are pretty reasonable but the ones on this site seem to suffer from a syndrome of a down.

7.) 02 Jun 2019 15:01:18
The trade I believe has a chance is with Philly involving Patrick and a first for Trouba. Philly know what they get in Trouba while the Jets are taking a chance with often injured Patrick who hasn't developed as expected. The first covers the Jets if Patrick doesn't get better than a #3 center.

8.) 02 Jun 2019 21:33:22

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but Roslovic has a good chance of being the solution. 25th overall pick in 2015 and too good for the AHL. Had a little bit of a disappointing season this year but in his previous ones he always exceeded expectations.

36GP-26P (tied for first in points) in his first NCAA season (18yo) despite the team already having a #1 centre in Anthony Louis.

Led his AHL team in points and assists in his first AHL season (19yo)

In his second AHL season he finished with the highest PPG % on the entire team. (32GP 15-20-35)

and i'm not even a Jets fan and found this from a quick google search.

9.) 02 Jun 2019 22:30:45
None of us know what Trouba will fetch but it’s nice to know what you guys think will work. I do think the jets would have some interest in Kadri islandjet, I don’t think they want Zaitsev at all. Some of the offers on this site are brutal but there has been some very reasonable offers for Trouba. Philly is definitely a team that has interest in Trouba, they’ve been trying to replace Pronger for years. I also think Detroit could be a really good fit, Kronwall is on his last leg and the fans love that style.

10.) 03 Jun 2019 03:35:18
I’ve only seen point totals TyBa4, not being sarcastic. I’ve admitted many times before that I don’t know a lot about most of the young kids unless I’ve seen them play. I didn’t think he was ready for 2nd line duties.



01 Jun 2019 02:55:35
What do you guys think of the Marleau to the kings rumours? They said it would save cap space for the leafs short term but it would be someone with term left that would help the kings down the road. The only contracts that fit that bill are Brown or Carter. The leafs were interested in Brown a few years back.


1.) 01 Jun 2019 04:48:02
Or Kovy. I think Zaitsev and Marleau for Kovy and Phaneuf.

2.) 01 Jun 2019 05:28:52
I was looking at it as a 1 for 1 deal vbb’s. It could be multiple players.

3.) 01 Jun 2019 17:23:03
If the Leafs do trade him, I'd like to see Marleau go to some team with a shot . been a classy guy in the game for a long time, would be great to see him compete for a cup. . which he's really close to doing so in the Leafs .

4.) 01 Jun 2019 20:51:03
I agree Sosa but I think it was McKenzie who said Marleau would probably accept a deal to LA, which is surprising to me.

5.) 01 Jun 2019 22:08:26
Maybe he misses the West Coast then, if he would accept a trade to LA .




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19 Jul 2019 15:14:23
I’m in on Ristolainen. Leafs can’t afford him right now but I think I’d like his style. Defense always take longer to develop. He is still young and could round out his game still.




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18 Jul 2019 02:06:07
So Kotkaniemi is better than Marner and Laine now Mantha? I’m sure he’s going to be good but one 34 point season doesn’t make you better than 2 proven players. Do you see how dumb that sounds?




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14 Jul 2019 20:00:33
Vbb’s there’s no stats to go off other than the 3 years he’s played. Is he as bad as he was last year, no way. Most players would suffer from holding out and missing training camp. Then there’s the pressure of living up to your contract when you return. I think he’ll be back to a 60 pt player. Is he a 90 pt player like you think, I doubt it. I really hope Nylander proves me wrong.




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14 Jul 2019 17:09:45
TyBa4 did you have a different user name before?




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14 Jul 2019 17:07:21
Tampa already lost a couple d men this off season. They don’t do this trade.





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I think that was a terrible deal by the lightning. Gudas, a 1st & 3rd for a 30 year old average d man. They could have had Polak for Gudas alone. Polak was the 1st name that I could think of, but there had to have been better options for cheaper. Personally, I hope the leafs keep Polak.




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@steamer do you understand that it doesn't go against Toronto's cap? Big difference. The owners are paying, they owe us one. They'll probably raise ticket prices to get their money back.




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That's Toronto for you. I think they should have waited too




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Not really