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29 Jun 2019 14:40:14
Brown for Kassian
I know we've talked about this in the past and it seemed the leafs were more interested in Benning or Khaira. However, Brown & Kassian are an even swap salary wise and they have similar point production. Kassian brings the grit to the table while Brown is a few years younger. I'm sure more could be added to the mix but the leafs need to be more physical while Edmonton has plenty of it.


1.) 29 Jun 2019 16:26:23
There’s grit out there that isn't a borderline down syndrome lunatic like Kassian.

But I would guess Benning is on the Leafs radar.

2.) 29 Jun 2019 17:31:40
I have no problem with a lunatic. Better than a bunch of bitches!

3.) 29 Jun 2019 18:00:59
I think he'd be a good fit on Leafs 4th. and if he was acting like a lunatic. Babcock would jus sit him, scratch him. Whatever. Leafs have the depth to that. Oilers needed him to be a an every day player.
And honestly, I don't see him as a lunatic., he plays with an edge,

4.) 29 Jun 2019 21:04:20
Kassian hurts his team more than he helps. Kassian is constantly out of position and his gas tank is usually dry after 2 periods. The worst is the bonehead penalties.

Leafs just can’t afford to bench 2 million now.

I’m not a huge fan of Brown’s but he’s positioned, consistent, and plays smart for 60 full minutes.

5.) 29 Jun 2019 22:25:10
Rather have kassian than Brown?! Kassian only good player outsider the top 3.

6.) 29 Jun 2019 22:43:20
Lol. No from Edm.
Benning for Brown more like it.

7.) 29 Jun 2019 23:24:42
I’m guessing you think the value is not even close yupp? I really didn’t think Kassian has much value at all, just looking to add some toughness to the leafs.

8.) 30 Jun 2019 05:29:40
Kassian isn’t a some insane goon. He’s doing what Lucic was supposed to do by protecting the star players. His past incidents are far behind him. Oilers turned him around.

9.) 30 Jun 2019 16:23:05
Did the oilers turn him around or did Kassian realize it was his last chance to get paid doing what he loves?

10.) 30 Jun 2019 19:46:22
Yeah I’m sure if he was in Vegas he wouldn’t turn around. Oilers did, like the entire league gave up on him while the Oilers traded for him.

11.) 01 Jul 2019 11:48:50
I agree that they traded for him when teams were giving up on him. I think it’s a little of both. I’m sure he knew it was his last chance to be a millionaire.



23 Feb 2019 04:48:30
Kadri out with a concussion? Gardiner not at practice for a maintenance day? I say fake news, lol. I'm going to go with a different idea

Kadri/Gardiner for Ferland/Pesce.

Toronto has been linked to both of these players. Ferland brings in the physical presence and Pesce is a good RD on a reasonable contract. It's a small sample but it looks like Nylander is capable of playing center at the NHL level, if necessary.
Carolina could use center depth. Staal is not all that anymore and he's injured. Gardiner would be an offensive boost from the point.
It has been said that it has to be a money in, money out deal for the leafs. Ferland has a smaller cap hit than Gardiner and they're both UFA's. Kadri/Pesce would be the main pieces for both teams, both on similar contracts for years to come.


1.) 23 Feb 2019 05:28:07
Tavares/ Marner/ Hyman
Matthews/ Kapanen/ Johnsson
Nylander/ Ferland/ Marleau
Gauthier/ Brown/ Lindholm
Pesce/ Reilly
Zaitsev/ Muzzin
Hainsey/ Dermott.

2.) 23 Feb 2019 16:30:14
The only way I’d make that trade from a leafs POV is if they took Zaitsev. I believe Gardiner holds more value then Ferland And Kadri has more value then pesce also that leaves a huge hole at the 3rd line C position.

3.) 23 Feb 2019 16:46:01
How are we in a position where we are arguing both that Gardiner is a detriment to a team AND that he has more value than the top 2 way forward currently on the market?

4.) 23 Feb 2019 19:19:42
Gardiner is Toronto’s 2nd/ 3rd best dman as a dman he is out producing Ferland. 51 points as a deffensman is Elite.

5.) 23 Feb 2019 21:51:55
Ferland is not a C.

6.) 23 Feb 2019 21:49:54
Vbb’s he got 52 points once and is on pace for 40. Not too bad at all but Gardiner is not elite.

7.) 23 Feb 2019 22:13:52
If Nylander plays 3C vbb’s, the leafs still look pretty good.

8.) 23 Feb 2019 22:30:29
I'd rather keep Kadri if I was a Leafs fan.

9.) 23 Feb 2019 23:19:44
If you’re talking to me triplets, I put the Center first. Marner and Kapanen are not center either but Tavares and Matthews are.

10.) 24 Feb 2019 20:38:31
Just saw the third line lol, sorry. Curious: Why would you put the C first? Never seen that.

11.) 25 Feb 2019 05:06:23
I don’t know. It’s the centers line, so I put him first. When you’re talking about a line you would say Matthews line.



24 Jan 2019 05:50:17
Anaheim is 30th in the league in scoring and the injuries continue. The leafs are in need of a RH, stay home defenseman.

Kapanen for Manson

Anaheim gets a 22 year old winger with speed & skill. This also gives Anaheim more money this season to add at the deadline.
Toronto gets a 27 year old, physical RH defenseman. He is on a reasonable contract for the next 4 years as well.
I think this is a fair trade one for one. RH defenseman are at a premium but the age difference evens that out. Maybe a small tweak is necessary.


1.) 24 Jan 2019 11:09:12
Age difference does not even that out lol. Kapanen can be included in a package to get Manson but not straight up, comon. he's a 22 year old winger who's having a good season playing with some of the best young talents and veterans in the game. His value is similar to Arturi Lekonen. Add Johnson to the trade and a second rounder and I think its closer.

2.) 24 Jan 2019 12:26:27
Arturi Leckonen has nothing on Kappy.

3.) 24 Jan 2019 13:56:52
I don’t think the leafs add that much boom boom. Yes Kapanen is playing with talent, for the first time in his career. Guess what, every team has talent. I think Kapanen would do just fine with Getzlaf and Rakell too, or anywhere else for that matter. Manson is 5 years older, that’s a pretty big difference.

4.) 24 Jan 2019 15:50:29
I think it would be a fair trade. This is the kind of defenseman the leafs should expect in a Kapanen deal.

And to the “Arturi Lehkonen has nothing on Kappy”. sure he does, he has worse linemates. I’m not saying I don’t like Kapanen; but him and Lehkonen are similar in they way they don’t drive their lines, but can produce when put in a good situation.

5.) 24 Jan 2019 15:53:15
If Manson is traded for anything under a significant overpayment and the Leafs aren't the one to get him, that's a fail by Dubas. Big defensive RHD on a solid contract in his prime. If it costs Kapanen and Johnson or whatever they should do that deal without hesitation.

6.) 24 Jan 2019 16:25:41
Kapanen definitely gets the water brewing for Anaheim but they're needs to be good little pieces added to get a big RHD in his prime.

7.) 24 Jan 2019 17:15:13
Kappanen has Elite speed and can play in any situation he reminds me of Chris Kriender who I believe is a very underrated player in his own right.

8.) 24 Jan 2019 19:29:32
@vbbbb and like kreider he is really streaky and inconsistent. Lehkonen can also play in any situation and you may not admit it but he is better defensively then kapanen. So overall slight edge on offence for kap edge on defence for lehkonen overall they are pretty even at this point.



10 Jan 2019 04:26:59
Just a couple ideas to try and help both teams.

Toronto trades Brown to Edmonton for Kassian and a 2nd? They have similar cap hits, I added the pick from Edmonton because Brown is better and younger.
Toronto gets tougher, Edmonton gets a little deeper.


Toronto trades Kapanen to Edmonton for Kassian and Bear? Toronto gets tougher and another RD in their system. Edmonton gets a top 6 forward that could be real good with McDavid. I'm thinking Edmonton might have to add to this but I know Oiler fans really like Bear.

Are either of these fair value? I'd rather a Nylander/Nurse swap but I don't think that would ever happen.


1.) 10 Jan 2019 05:32:11
I personally wouldn’t include a 2nd to get brown, it would be a 3-4th round because like you said Toronto needs some grit and I don’t see brown worth that much.

2.) 10 Jan 2019 05:32:33
And Kassian and bear for Kapanen go right ahead.

3.) 10 Jan 2019 11:36:32
I wouldn't do the Kapanen deal to be honest. Kassian honestly has very low value, wouldn't trade away a guy on pace for 20/ 50 for him and Bear, even if Bear is highly regarded, aince he hasn't played much in the NHL. First trade i'm on board with, although, i don't think wed get a second.

4.) 10 Jan 2019 16:38:12
Thanks guys. I really don’t want to lose Kapanen and I don’t know a lot about Bear. I would like Kassian on Toronto though.

5.) 10 Jan 2019 20:52:55
Bear is former whl dman of the year and is a pp qb with an absolute cannon, shorter dman but with experience may be a competent offensive 3rd pairing dman.

6.) 11 Jan 2019 00:06:03
Thanks notdelusional. The leafs seem to like the little guys.

7.) 11 Jan 2019 04:27:48
Kapanen is a top six player. Looks like a perennial 20+ goal scorer. He is worth more than a depth forward and depth prospect. Kassian for Brown makes more sense.



30 Dec 2018 00:29:13
Seguin for Kotkaniemi, Alzner and a 1st?
I might be way off here but Montreal should go after Seguin while Weber & Price are still in their prime.
Montreal gets a #1 center and gives them a real good 1/2 down the middle. They also dump Alzner's contract.
Dallas gets a solid young center, 7 years younger than Seguin. They will also save $ once Seguin's new contract kicks in next year.


1.) 30 Dec 2018 01:22:15
No. not going to trade KK. I understand your logic behind the deal, the more I see of KK, the more I like.

2.) 30 Dec 2018 02:23:10
Price has been playing like trash if anything Dallas should go after Weber imo they have a better team just need better secondary scoring. They’re a good team that can’t put it together much like Saint Louis And Florida.

3.) 07 Jan 2019 16:43:49
No to Seguin. Should have stayed in Boston with Thorton.

4.) 07 Jan 2019 16:45:38
Why in would Habs want to deal with Dallas. They are going nowhere still dreaming of the Hull days twenty years later.




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20 Oct 2019 06:27:25
That Drouin guy is looking alright eh biasjoe?




06 Oct 2019 02:18:14
Great leafs/habs game. The leafs were absolutely flying for 2 periods. Nice comeback by Montreal. Kapanen takes a dumb, selfish penalty that was crucial and still plays 2 more shifts in the last 6 minutes. If I was the coach he wouldn't of seen another shift and Moore would've been rewarded with a couple top line shifts.


1.) 06 Oct 2019 09:27:03
What I seen was 2 teams that are miles apart. Yes Montreal won in a shootout . however, the Waaaaaay better team lost.
IMO. Leafs played lazy, even the first 2 periods. they coulda had Habs down by 5 or 6.
Montreal better wake up. can't play that way . Fluery has been a bright spot, but Suzuki needs some AHL.
Why haven't we seen KK on the power play? We see Weal. let the kid learn
Habs are going to be worse than last year.

2.) 07 Oct 2019 01:52:59
Can't tell much from any team yet it's much too early.

3.) 07 Oct 2019 15:08:29
I was at the game. when they announced a penalty shot the place almost exploded. Great game to be at.
Habs are in a lot of trouble. With a 4 on 3 PP, the only person to take a shot (and the exact same one at that) was Weber about 6 times in a row. Very predictable. Suzuki did have some speed and guts to his game, but I agree, needs more time to develop.
I almost crapped my pants when they announced Weal as our 2nd shot in the SO.



02 Oct 2019 19:34:13
I knew Babcock could be an ass but benching Spezza against his former team after he signed for the league minimum is a slap in the face. I hope it's ok that I bashed my own team, I know that's not how this site works but my feelings are hurt, lol. I'm sure Spezza's feelings are hurt also. Does anyone else care to help bash the leafs?


1.) 02 Oct 2019 20:09:54
From tanking to get Matthews, Robidas Island, Lupul's mystery injury, dumping Lou sneakily, leaking Marners contract negotiations, Matthew and friends terrorising a female security guard, now allowing Babs to do this to Spezza. What a classy organization.

2.) 02 Oct 2019 20:49:33
not bashing the leafs but this is nothing new for Babcock a lot of former players don't like him.

3.) 02 Oct 2019 20:51:54
Well you know I never like to bash anybody. unless they deserve it, but it does seem like a weird decision. I guess it's just Babcock's way of telling Dubas "I control this team, not you"?

Babcock does seem very egotistical that way.

4.) 02 Oct 2019 22:12:55
The interesting thing that I heard today by many of the hockey analysts was that this was not the first time Babcock benched a player to prevent him from achieving a milestone or celebratory game.

Babcock did the same thing to Mike Modano when he was in Detroit by benching him on the last game of the season which left him with 1,499 games played instead of reaching the 1,500 milestone.

While the Leafs have had their troubles recently l, I feel this situation deserves to be more focused on bashing Babcock for his disrespect to players.

This is why many players refused to stay in Detroit for long because of Babcock’s style.

I personally was glad when he left Detroit as we needed a change and a new voice. (Although Blashill still has similar tendencies as Babs but that’s another topic)

5.) 02 Oct 2019 22:18:28
It's his job to put the best team he can on the ice. Not sure who he has in his place, but, he's the coach. his call.
However, if I was Spezza, I'd be a hurt too., I'm sure he grew up a Leafs fan, and had been dreaming of the day to put on that Jersey, I'm sure he could have made maybe 3X what he is making this season to play somewhere else and he a regular bottom 6 guy in the line up.
So Leafs 17, I agree with ya, put the classy veteran in. This is opening night of the regular season, not the Playoffs.

6.) 02 Oct 2019 22:26:48
I’ve heard that also habby. A reasonable response from Joe is always appreciated and I agree that it’s a control issue. Spezza is not a solid 2 way player and I believe he didn’t like the signing to begin with and is letting everyone know how he feels. A typical response from Islandjet is also appreciated. I guess I asked for that response, lol. You must be a pleasure to be around.

7.) 02 Oct 2019 23:14:56
I don’t think Shore is a better option than Spezza Sosa. I’ve never been a big Spezza fan but c’mon Babcock.

8.) 02 Oct 2019 23:47:27
If the difference between winning or losing your home opener, when you’re supposed to be a top 5 team in the nhl, against a team that is rebuilding/ inexperienced, is starting some random fourth liner over another random fourth liner, maybe you’re just not a very good coach (or your team is overrated)

9.) 02 Oct 2019 23:49:33
So not playing the guy who signed cheap to come home and play for his hometown team, on opening night? That’a a bit of a di#k move.

10.) 03 Oct 2019 02:37:49
@Datsyuk The interesting thing about that is you’re a wings fan and you’re hearing about that today. I’m sure it was talked about at the time but everything is magnified in Toronto, good or bad.

11.) 03 Oct 2019 02:56:18
It was against OTT, not like they were playing a powerhouse like EDM (😜 joke, obv) .
Spezza should’ve played.

12.) 03 Oct 2019 06:16:06
“Folks, Spezza is a very well respected longtime NHL veteran. He signs with his hometown team, has a good camp. playing in the Leafs home opener vs his former team is a big deal for him. Babcock scratches Spezza. Textbook scumbag move from the biggest fraud in the game”
-Mike Commodore.

13.) 03 Oct 2019 11:46:34
@sosahabs24, Just answering your question and adding a few points.

He put Nick Shore in the lineup in his place because of his PK abilities (Nick Shore also came over from the KHL, from what I heard to return to the NHL) . While I understand icing the best lineup. with the team that the Leafs have, this one game would not be detrimental to their odds of a playoff spot. If anything, Spezza’s excitement may actually make other players happier.

If his replacement was a key player that you know is a difference maker, then I understand the decision. Choosing Nick Shore for this one game over the better player in Spezza is mind boggling.

14.) 03 Oct 2019 13:35:52
I was only able to watch the 1st period and caught the rest of the highlights later. Can someone please tell me that Shore was an absolute stud on the PK. I know they killed 3 penalties but I’m sure Spezza would’ve done just fine. I started not liking Babcock last season with the way he handled Matthew’s ice time. He needs to put differences aside and play the best players.

15.) 03 Oct 2019 14:55:56
Totally agree with ya Datsyuk.

16.) 03 Oct 2019 16:39:22
@Leafs17, I probably heard about the Modano situation before but it’s definitely the power of Leafs media that brings out every story more clearly. Although as Wings fans, we were kind of used to Babcock’s strict roster choices that this either was missed or rather we were just too frustrated with all of the round 1 exits.

Like playing Glenndenning as a top line center in the playoffs against the lightning that one year.

Babcock plays favourites. While loyalty is good, it can also be harmful in other areas.

17.) 03 Oct 2019 19:08:17
He definitely plays favourites.



03 Aug 2019 20:35:58
I just want to bitch for a minute. I like the PTO to Neuvirth, I like him better than Hutchinson. But Matt f'n Read? A small RW whose probably never been in a fight or thrown a body check in his career. He's played 31 games in the last 2 years with 2 points. Obviously his best days are behind him. My only guess is they want a penalty killer in which he was pretty good at years ago. How about a player with some tenacity?


1.) 04 Aug 2019 03:21:51
Or they just might be trying to stock up the farm team.

2.) 04 Aug 2019 05:50:59
It's a PTO. Chill, dude.

3.) 04 Aug 2019 06:13:36
I understand it’s a PTO but it could be a guy like McQuaid or someone with character.

4.) 04 Aug 2019 11:52:22
Lol so you complain about Read but want McQuaid? I can't lol.

5.) 04 Aug 2019 12:40:12
I’d want McQuade too he plays a physical game which the leafs lack. I’d like to see a dirty player on the leafs to cancel players out in the playoffs.

6.) 04 Aug 2019 14:03:47
#1 wanting a player to "play dirty" and "cancel players out in the playoffs" disqualifies your entire comment altogether. That's just plain stupid and not in the sense of any sports or sportsmanship. Cheap and dumb comment.

#2 Putting that aside for a second, physicality is not what solves your problem when at the same time it creates the problem of having a rubbishty player on the ice to provide said physicality.

7.) 04 Aug 2019 14:24:53
Vbb obviously leafs management doesn't think the same as you or they would have kept kadri.

8.) 04 Aug 2019 14:40:34
He’s also not bad defensively at all he’s very solid on the PK is take him over Ristolainen any day. Also look at what a player like Scott Stevens did for the devils. Ruined Lindros’s career if a player could hit like that in today’s game they’d be extremely valuable. I don’t think I’ve ever seen McDavid get hit dirty yet I’d love to see more fish players like Stevens.

9.) 04 Aug 2019 15:55:08
Yes triplets I’d take McQuaid over Read. It’s a PTO so we’re not talking superstars. Is something wrong with wanting a physical player that will defend his teammates? A guy that knows the Bruins very well and they know him. McQuaid is a player that would benefit any team come playoff time. Tampa could’ve used a player like him when they were man handled 4 straight, dude.

10.) 04 Aug 2019 20:23:46
Scott Stevens would be kicked out of the league if he played now. 90% of his hits would be illegal by today's rules. Plus mcquaid is a number 7 blue liner any higher then that on your depth chart and toughness isn't your biggest problem anyway.

11.) 04 Aug 2019 20:40:52
Stevens was a beast, but yes I’m sure most of his hits were to the head.

12.) 04 Aug 2019 22:12:10
This is the dumbest post of all time.
THIS IS A PTO (! ) . Nobody is giving him any money not to mention a contract.
The risk is literally 0, the biggest risk being is that he is going to injure somebody else in practise, but like you said he doesn’t hit.

What’s the problem?

13.) 04 Aug 2019 23:24:32
I didn’t say it was a risk by any means, just want some character. Some of these guys on PTO’s do get a contract, I hope Neuvirth does. I’m not sure why they have PTO’ s TyBa4 if players don’t get a contract?

14.) 05 Aug 2019 00:24:18
Who cares if the leafs had Stevens today they could’ve just tapped him on the Shoulder and said go run Bergeron from behind and the leafs would’ve won the series.

15.) 05 Aug 2019 07:12:58
Nothing more to say to guys that apparently think "canceling out players of the playoffs" and "ruining other players' careers" is sth that has a place in hockey, let alone is a positive quality of a player. Disgusting.

16.) 05 Aug 2019 13:41:16
Maybe not injure him but it’d scare him for the series.

17.) 05 Aug 2019 15:32:41
I didn’t say anything about hurting anyone, maybe you should read it again instead of grouping everyone together. Drais I thought you knew the game of hockey, it is still a physical sport, especially in the playoffs. I guess we’ll see if Toronto or Tampa make it to the cup with a team full of bitches. Most on this site said Boston didn’t have what it takes. They’re a big, mean and physical team that are built for playoff hockey. Until checking is eliminated completely from the game, the physical players still play a big role. This is not house league like you’re used to.

18.) 05 Aug 2019 21:14:50
Even a signing or PTO hurts your feelings? So awesome. So sorry.

19.) 05 Aug 2019 21:51:22
Well, you know, just like there's something in between black and white, there's something between "not a physical sport" (which I never ever said anywhere, btw) and "canceling out players of the playoffs" and "ruining other players' careers".

Also, where did I say that what I said applies to you? I meant VB.

20.) 06 Aug 2019 02:32:28
I agree triplets. I like physical hockey, not players that look to hurt people. Learn how to have a discussion Yupp. You say the same thing every time you post. i'm sure it’s past your bedtime, so get back to me in the morning tiger. I was simply bashing my own team, something the great Yupp has never done. At least your team has physical players where they lack in talent.

21.) 06 Aug 2019 18:45:36
I didn't think VB was old enough to know of Scott Stevens.
Also, no one would take out Bergeron like that.

22.) 07 Aug 2019 15:27:25
Don Cherry’s Rockem And sockem showed me who Scott Stevens is lol.

23.) 08 Aug 2019 03:18:28
Rockem sockem hockey was the main cause of concussions in today's nhl imo. All those kids growing up watching those videos thinking that's how they had to hit to become a nhl player. I remember when they came out. Almost over night my local minor hockey association turned into war on ice. And we were like 12 or 14 year olds. Thanks for the bruises grapes maybe I'll meet you someday and I can return the favour lol.



26 Jul 2019 16:23:54
Eh tank (colt, redwing,etc), is it safe to say Schmaltz is now garbage and Borgman is a stud?


1.) 26 Jul 2019 18:50:44
I mean, was Schmaltz ever really that good?
Mediocre though his USHL career, mediocre through his NCAA years, average in the AHL.
Never understood any of the hype around this guy. (was there even any besides Colt? )

2.) 26 Jul 2019 19:08:26
he’s a shutdown guy so players like him don’t get a lot of hype.

3.) 26 Jul 2019 19:23:34
I don’t think there was TyBa4.

4.) 26 Jul 2019 19:54:16
Vb, he was never ''a shutdown guy''. I'm asking you seriously, why do you make comments about things you don't know? Like it's extremely rare to see you make an educated remark.

Jordan Schmaltz (brother of Nick) converted from forward to defenceman and he was always projected to have a good offensive upside.

''Schmaltz, drafted 25th overall by St. Louis, owns the offensive skill set to become a top pairing powerplay defenseman. He handles the puck with confidence and can find his teammates with lightning quick passing. Schmaltz has a hard accurate shot that finds the net with good accuracy. ''
- Brendan Ross.

5.) 26 Jul 2019 20:04:49
Jordan Schmaltz was an offensive dman. Was suppose to be a more definsvely sound dman than shatty with similar production.

15/ 16 he has 6g 30a in 71 games. looked like he was a shoe in. unlucky for him Parayko after only 17 ahl games jumped ahead of him and played behind shatty and petro. He never really had a chance. I could see hi maybe getting another shot and maybe pull an Ian Cole. Defiantly could impress. I think the entire reason for moving him is that Reinke is almost ready and now we have an option to move borgman up and down with out possibly losing him to waivers.

6.) 26 Jul 2019 20:42:15
He has 67% defensive zone start percentage, O.45CRS and is above average in all other defensive stats. Regardless of what he was in junior he’s being played as a defensive deffensman by the blues organization ( San Antonio Rampage )

Why do you make comments that you don’t know? Tyler Seguin started hockey as a goalie when he was like 7 he switched to forward does that make him defensive forward? You sound silly eat a snickers.

7.) 26 Jul 2019 23:18:00
Why do people even try with vb anymore?




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20 Oct 2019 19:57:21
The Karlsson point I’d like to see Islandjet argue.




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20 Oct 2019 15:25:50
Didn’t you say Hall was a cancer in the locker room yupp?




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19 Oct 2019 23:08:05
They could probably get Zucker without giving up too much. He’s no Hall but he can play. Minnesota needs to do a rebuild IMO.




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19 Oct 2019 22:22:11
I’m still hoping for vbb’s prediction of Nylander 90pts and Marner 130pts. The leafs are barely holding a playoff spot and without Tavares, it may be a tough couple weeks or more. It’s still early but Toronto hasn’t beat a good team yet.




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19 Oct 2019 22:15:57
I don’t see Carolina doing this deal at all.





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I think that was a terrible deal by the lightning. Gudas, a 1st & 3rd for a 30 year old average d man. They could have had Polak for Gudas alone. Polak was the 1st name that I could think of, but there had to have been better options for cheaper. Personally, I hope the leafs keep Polak.




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@steamer do you understand that it doesn't go against Toronto's cap? Big difference. The owners are paying, they owe us one. They'll probably raise ticket prices to get their money back.




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That's Toronto for you. I think they should have waited too




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Not really