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03 Mar 2021 13:54:24
to Calgary
Eichel
Hall

to Buffalo
Monahan
Gaudreau.

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02 Mar 2021 22:52:59
Oilers and Blue Jackets

Everyone knows the Oilers need a better Goalie and Jarmo Kekäläinen has stated that he wants a centre.

To the Oilers:
Joonas Korpisalo
Max Domi
2021 1st round pick

To the Blue Jackets:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Tyler Benson
Alex Chaisson
2022 2nd round pick

There would have to be salary going both ways to make this work. This seems fair. who adds?

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03 Mar 2021 03:18:02
Could work, take out the 1st

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03 Mar 2021 13:20:29
Agree with Not a Casual. Unless RNH is coming with a good cap hit extension, CBJ isn’t paying a first on top of a good cheap goalie and domi.

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03 Mar 2021 13:29:58
For the oilers, love this trade
For Columbus it is also pretty good.

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02 Mar 2021 20:38:20
Mtl:Caufield,Fleury,Byron

Nashville:Forsberg

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03 Mar 2021 01:56:29
so

caufield = forsberg
fleury = compensation for taking byron
byron = cap dump?

i can see that.

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03 Mar 2021 02:18:11
The only player of value is Caufield, and Fleury doesn’t have much value I’d assume. Byron was waived and nobody took him. going to have to offer something better, and a 1st would most likely be involved

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03 Mar 2021 03:18:43
@pkane88 Caufield does not = Forsberg alone

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03 Mar 2021 13:23:07
If that’s the ask for Forsberg, 10 teams would top it.

Caufield, Robertson,

Byron, Kerfoot (better player, hasn’t been waived but needed to go for money)

Fleury, Liljegren

I think there’s other teams that are closer to contending than Habs and have better assets to offer than Leafs that would top either of these offers.

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03 Mar 2021 13:26:03
Lol Caufield is not a good prospect. Guhle is a much better prospect in the habs organization.

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02 Mar 2021 20:20:11
3 Team Trade Proposal.

Nashville Trades
Granlund (Toronto)
(50% of Granlund's Contract Retained by Nashville)

Toronto Trades
Vesey (Vegas)
1st Round Pick 2021 (Nashville)

Vegas Trades
5th Round Pick 2021 (Nashville)


Nashville Trades away Granlund a UFA after this season getting 2 Draft Picks one being a 1st
Rounder.

Toronto fills out there Top 6 at Forward getting Granlund.

Vegas gets a Bottom 6 Forward that stabilizes there lineup.


Thoughts ?

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02 Mar 2021 20:43:51
I'd say instead of Vesey to Vegas, something similar to the Robin Lehner deal could, where Lehner was 50% retained by Chicago, went through Toronto, where Toronto retained 50%, and then he went off to Vegas; out of the exchange, Toronto gave up Martins Dzierkals whos never going to leave the KHL and got back a 5th for retaining like 1.25M on the 2.5M (since Chicago retained 50% which was 2.5 M of the 5M)

I doubt Vegas has the cap space, but another team like maybe New Jersey or so would do the retaining, so:

Granlund and an AHLer go to Toronto with Nashville not retaining for the 1st, Vesey and a 4th,
the 1st and Vesey go to Nashville for Granlund without retention and,
a 4th goes to New Jersey in exchange for an AHLer and New Jersey retaining 50% on Granlund.

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02 Mar 2021 21:16:56
@TopShelfSlappers
Toronto doesn't have the Cap Space unless Nashville retains 50% of Granlund's Salary to take on his full Salary, Vegas has just over 900k in Cap Space and Vesey makes 900k so yes they have the Cap to take on Vesey's Contract and Vegas does need a Bottom 6 LWinger.
Because Nashville is retaining 50% of Granlund's contract Toronto would have to add a 1st Round Pick in this deal imo.

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02 Mar 2021 22:25:04
Pinball, what TopShelf was suggesting is that another team facilitates the retention in a similar way to the Lehner deal.

Nashville would take the place of Chicago, Another team with Cap Space takes Toronto’s place in retaining the 50% before shipping Granlund to Toronto.

Overall those types of deals are rare so not sure if it will happen.

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03 Mar 2021 02:44:50
Yeah @Datsyuk that's what I was aiming for

It is kinda rare, but I could def see it happening with lots of teams stuffed to the cap this year, so a lot of the bottom feeders like ANA/ DET/ OTT/ SJ/ NJ/ BUF should be more willing to retain (on UFA deals like Granlund, not on term deals) for the incentive of like a 3rd, 4th or something of the sort.

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02 Mar 2021 19:42:56
To COL: Dylan Larkin, Filip Zadina
To DET: Alex Newhook, Bowen Byram, 2022 2nd

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02 Mar 2021 22:26:25
Newhook and Zadina are probably close in terms of value.

Byram + 2nd does not get Larkin.

Avs would have to add here and not sure either team really does it.

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02 Mar 2021 18:11:08
Nashville Trades
Granlund (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
Vesey
1st Round Pick 2021

Thoughts ?

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02 Mar 2021 15:31:14
Detroit Trades
Larkin (50% of Contract Retained)
Ryan
Biega
6th Round Pick 2021

Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Engvall
Vesey
Sandin (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2021
2nd Round Pick 2021

This would be a huge Trade if this went down, Leafs going for it all this year adding these 3 players you add experience, more goals from all 4 lines when healthy and more depth on Defense.

The hardest part for Detroit making a trade like this would be trading Larkin, but with a rebuild that they are going through this is a step back but more steps ahead in the big picture.


Thoughts ?

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02 Mar 2021 15:49:03
Why would Detroit retain 50% of Larkin? They can get just as good of a package @ 0% retention

If Ryan continues playing how he has then he’ll fetch a 1st most likely @ the deadline to a contender
Biega, 6th = Vesey
So
Sandin, 2nd, Kerfoot and Engvall for Larkin @ 50% ? I don’t see Detroit taking that at all, that’s brutal for Detroit, also Toronto doesn’t need another C

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02 Mar 2021 16:17:05
Ryan will not catch a 1st i'd bet my life on it and the leafs don’t need him or want him I can promise that. Take him out and the retention and I’d do it as a leafs fan.

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02 Mar 2021 16:54:27
If Ryan keeps playing the way he has then I have no doubt in my mind he’d get a first at the deadline from a contending team

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02 Mar 2021 17:01:03
Detroit shouldn't and wouldn't trade Larkin. If they do, which again, they shouldn't, it shouldn't be for more futures.

That's an okay package from Toronto, but an okay package isn't getting Larkin for sure, espec. at 50% retention.

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02 Mar 2021 17:05:34
I’ll call you out when he only gets a 3rd.

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02 Mar 2021 17:51:03
@nylander “if he keeps playing the way he has” remember I said that though, so if he finishes with about 30-40pts then I think he’ll fetch a 1st. You can call me out when I’m wrong, it’s just what I think cause he’d add secondary scoring, leadership and he’s on a cheap 1 year deal

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02 Mar 2021 18:51:00
My guess is Ryan gets a2nd, or stays with Detroit.

This also reminds me of leaf trades. You won't get larkin at 50% off, since Detroit won't pay for him to play 2 years for someone else. I think larkin starts with nylander, but larkin is more valuable to Detroit as their top centre.

Don't trade sandin and picks for old players. Only trade them for players you can keep a long time. With larkin, you have 3 years to be the best. With sandin and picks, you can keep your window open longer.

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02 Mar 2021 19:22:21
A second is reasonable. Idc if he’s on pace for 30 goals he’s still not getting a 1st. Same situation as Thomas Vanek.

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02 Mar 2021 22:29:52
Ryan is definitely getting a 3rd at minimum, maybe a 2nd if lots of teams in.

If bidding gets competitive, I could see a conditional late 1st as a condition ( Team reaches cup final)

This would still be a 1st that mimics a high 2nd.

Honestly we probably get the 3rd with a chance of a 2nd but just saying if bidding is high, things could get crazy.

Not saying they will but you never know.

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02 Mar 2021 22:30:52
Also Larkin could garner that package alone with no retention.

So not even touching that deal.

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03 Mar 2021 13:28:48
The deal itself is terrible for the Wings. As for Ryan, I have a really hard time believing him getting more than a 2nd, and would most likely be a late 2nd because the only teams adding a guy like him are playoff bound.

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01 Mar 2021 20:26:45
This one is a tad far fetched for both sides to be honest but with all the heat Eichel and Dahlin keep getting in Buffalo it could be possible.

BUF : Eichel, Dahlin, and Okposo/Skinner (BAD contract)

OTT : Chabot, Dadonov, Thompson, White, Zaitsev, L.Brown, Abramov, Formenton, 2021 2nd

Breakdown is basically Chabot Abramov and a 2nd for Dahlin as their Chabot value alone should put him pretty close to dahlins. And the rest of the package as is.

Dadonov and Zaitsev are both top 6 and 4 guys as is White essentially with the latter 2 having great bounce back years so far.

While Thompson and Brown are considered solid high end prospects with the latter being a project sure but with a change of scenery I believe he could flourish as he has shown signs of it just not getting the opportunities in Ottawa.

I am NOT including a 1st because I don't believe it's really needed with the surplus of prospects ottawa has and I have already included plus the taking back of 1 of 2 terrible contracts.

I also because of that surplus do not believe this goes against the rebuild either as it is essentially swapping defensive styles and the kids they want to build around aren't moving nor are they making a bad move if a likely lottery pick. Chabot can be replaced in this years draft as well.

Let's face it, most of ottawas prospects would likely be top 2 or 3 on any other team. Look at Balcers as a prime example back in San Jose

Sure Eichel probable won't win anything this year after this but come next year the team will likely be ready to compete thus speeding up the rebuild.

Stutzle Eichel Batherson
Tkachuk Norris C.Brown

Dahlin Branstrom
Sanderson Docker

Add a defense like Clarke in the draft.

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01 Mar 2021 21:46:40
Does ottawa have a 2021 or 2022 2nd? Or do they have derek stepan and matt Murray?

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01 Mar 2021 23:09:26
And that’s how you destroy a rebuilding team..

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02 Mar 2021 01:11:23
Chabot and a bucket of crap for the most hyped dman in NHL history and a 23 year old franchise centre. That’s laughable.

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02 Mar 2021 01:42:55
NotACassual not with a team like Ottawa. They still have Tkachuk Batherson Norris Stutzle Pinto Grieg Jarventie C.Brown Sokolov Docker Sanderson Branstrom and Zub

They also still would have their possible lottery 1sts.

And both Eichel and Dahlin are young enough to fit the rebuild as well, while the bad contract no matter which one is still a veteran who can replace Dadonov leadership.

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02 Mar 2021 01:45:23
Face-lift didn't they have 3 in 2021? And the Matt Murray deal was for the 2020 2nd not 2021 2nd

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02 Mar 2021 03:43:12
Nylander really dude? Sure Dahlin is better Defensively than Chabot but Chabot has been blowing him out of the water offensively so far. Obviously there is a little more value in dahlin due to his hype but Abramov and the 2nd aren't exactly worth nothing. Abramov on most teams and like a lot of sens prospects would be an instant top 3 or 5 at worst prospect.

As for the Eichel part, clearly Eichel is a huge asset. But calling the rest of the trade from ottawas part a bucket of crap? I think you need to find a new sport to watch pal. Dadonov is a perenial 50 plus point guy who actually has played a playoff game or a few lol, white is a former calder cup consideration who's having a major bounce bad year after only 1 bad year, Zaitsev is actually back to top 4 form, Formenton is the FASTEST prospect in hockey with loads of potential to be even better than Batherson who just so happens to be the Sens current leading scorer, Brown with a change of scenery could possibly reach original expectations and become a top 3 or 6 center, and Thompson will most likely be a top 4 dman at worst and has drawn Brent Burns comparisons in how he plays.

How is any of that a bucket of crap in any way? Or are you just a sad leafs fan who's mad that Ottawa actually has more than enough to make something big like this happen? We can give you Stepan or Anisimov for a bag of pucks if you want? Lol

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02 Mar 2021 04:34:49
@sens_able I like the thought process but I don’t think Sens should do it. I’d take Chabot over Dahlin right now honestly

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02 Mar 2021 13:36:45
Bobby Orr, Denis Potvin, Paul Coffey, Lindstrom, Hedman, etc no one, literally no one was ever more hyped then Rasmus Dahlin going into a draft Dman take longer to develop but in 3 years time there is no question in my mind that Dahlin will be the best dman in the nhl.

If I’m the Sabres and I was offered Mathews for Dahlin I’d laugh and decline. Dahlin will be that good but dman take more time to develop. He’s 20 years old and on a awful team. Chabots like what? 3-4 years older? That’s a lot of development.

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02 Mar 2021 15:41:53
Getting two franchise players is bad for a rebuild? Just keep Dahlin and Chabot out of the trade. The rest in comparison to Eichel is a bucket of crap. Who cares if Zaitsev is back to original form and Brown could maybe be a top 6 center, they don’t have value worth near as much as Eichel. got to give up one top piece then add from there. That means one of Tkachuk, Chabot, Stutzle, Sanderson.

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02 Mar 2021 15:51:14
@ebsolutely I don’t think it would be smart to rush their rebuild. They aren’t ready to contend yet

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02 Mar 2021 19:03:09
I'm not sure why Buffalo does this. The reasoning for chabot+ for dahlin can be made, but the add would be lots as dahlin is younger, more potential upside, and they drafted him.

This trade makes Buffalo older, while making them lose dahlin and eichel. A reasonable package to me, is Tkachuk, chabot, Norris and this year's 1st, no protection.

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02 Mar 2021 20:09:36
If Eichel gets traded its for quality. The argument is to be made for DahlinChabot, but even at the basis that Chabot=Dahlin, which is most reasonable, Eichel isn't getting traded for quantity.

Eichel+Okposo gets one of Stutzle/ Tkachuk + Zaitsev/ White + Norris/ Batherson + some pick, which is a trade neither team should be really willing to do.

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03 Mar 2021 12:50:01
You guys are crazy if you actually believe that. Eichel is NOT Gretzky guys. He's just NOT.

Erik Karlsson had one year left and was regarded as the number 3 player in hockey in his prime at the time of his trade and didn't even get a quarter of what you are suggesting Eichel should get, Stutzle Batherson and an unprotected lottery 1st? Don't make me laugh.

The asking price I believe is a top player, a top prospect, and a 1st (not lottery). You get that here with Dadonov or Zaitsev let alone both, Formenton or Thompson let alone both, and white plus the 2nd (which I could say if sens make playoffs this year becomes a 1st otherwise stays a 2nd). Not sure what the problem is?

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03 Mar 2021 13:29:55
Eichel should get 3x as much as what Karlsson got. He plays a more valuable position, younger and not a pending UFA. Pending UFAs carrry little value.

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