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18 May 2022 12:37:21
Islanders Trade
JBailey*

Toronto Trades
Kerfoot

*Islanders retain 1.5 million of Bailey's remaining contract.

This would be both a hockey and cap trade proposal.

Islanders in the end will be paying out only 1.5 million for Bailey in the 23/24 season instead of 5 million, Kerfoot on an expiring contract would probably be a 1 year player for New York.

Toronto gets JTs former Winger he teamed up with for The Islanders, and they did play well together, Bailey also needs a change of scenery, and coming to his hometown growing roots should benefit him for the next 2 seasons.


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19 May 2022 02:01:35
If Josh Bailey is available I hope I hope Kent Hughes gives Islanders a mid pick and or prospect for him. He would be a solid veteran to help help a young center in Shane Wright/ Cooley. Mtl could also send Drouin to even salary.

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18 May 2022 03:25:13
WPG
Nate Schmidt

NJ
4th round pick

Jets have too much cap space used up on similar style defenseman and quality young guys waiting.

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18 May 2022 13:09:48
The Jets should be able to get a 3rd for him, so we'll see.

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18 May 2022 15:38:27
The Jets should get something for him in order to rid them of Schmidt's contract.

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17 May 2022 15:30:58
Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Liljegren
NRobertson (AHL)

Vancouver Trades
JTMiller
Poolman

Vancouver both looking to move Salary as well as improve there future will do that in this proposal, yes JTMiller is the best player in this proposal but like Kerfoot will be on an expiring contract, adding both Liljegren and NRobertson for Poolman more than makes this an even trade.

Leafs will be in a serious win now position next season, JTMiller really adds to there second line alongside Tavares and Nylander, losing Liljegren will hurt but you have to give to get, NRobertson is probably there Top Prospect, but having Knies as a potential Top 6 in a couple years replaces NRobertson in the spot.



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17 May 2022 16:46:03
Robertson and Lilegren shouldn't be in any trade proposals at all. Holl needs to go and we need to unload Nylander. his unwillingness to go to the dirty areas, take a hit, or provide 100% effort while on the ice is reason enough to unload him.

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18 May 2022 01:03:12
I don’t think Nylander would fetch a player of his talent level in return. I think a package of Phoeling, 2rd pick and Mysak would get him out of Toronto.

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18 May 2022 02:24:31
That isn’t anywhere near enough for a player that was top 10 in the league in scoring.

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18 May 2022 03:19:12
This must be a joke?

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18 May 2022 13:30:33
Rental Miller will fetch a late first round pick and a player like Liljegren.

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18 May 2022 18:57:28
I thought we were blocking all Toronto proposals on here? What an absolute joke. Canucks want nothing to do with 'middle 6 Kerfoot', 'maybe an up and coming D Liljegren' and 'little Nicky'. I wouldn't trade Miller alone for all that. What a joke.

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18 May 2022 21:02:12
Bottom 6 Kerfoot. The only reason he occasionally gets bumped to the top 6 is because Toronto can't afford middle 6 players.

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18 May 2022 23:21:32
Surprised Canucks didn't have to retain in this proposal.

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17 May 2022 13:58:36
Shake up trade

Toronto - William Nylander
Winnipeg - Mark Scheifele

I believe the cap hits are very similar.

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17 May 2022 14:37:30
Zero incentive for Winnipeg to do it. Nylander is paid more, has the same term, isn't as good and doesn't have anywhere near the impact on a game as Scheifele.

Nylander as a complimentary winger on his own doesn't have enough value to return a top 6C. So, he definitely isn't returning a consistent PPG 1C.

Plus if the Jets are trading Scheifele because of a me first attitude, why would they want a worse me first player in return.

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17 May 2022 15:35:24
Why would the Jets want to trade for a soft, disinterested player like Nylander. At least Scheifele isn't afraid of going into the corners.

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17 May 2022 16:47:24
If only this could become a reality. Jets aren't that stupid though.

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16 May 2022 06:44:51
Canucks- OEL, Horvat, Dickinson 50% retained salary next season, Poolman 50% retained salary next season, Lockwood
Stars- Benn, Suter, Bishop, Gurianov

Canucks gain future cap flexibility while maybe finding a better fit behind Quinn Hughes while replacing Horvat, who is needed to get the Stars to take OEL. The stars get a better second line centre, some depth pieces, more cap space for this off-season, while moving on from Benn's bloated contract.

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16 May 2022 15:04:22
You can't retain salary for just one season, it has to be the same retention for all remaining years on the contract.

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17 May 2022 00:33:19
Good to know, thanks for the information.

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18 May 2022 18:59:02
I don't see Dallas or the Canucks doing this. It's dumb. Canucks are getting younger. Those Stars players are old except for Gurianov. Canucks are re-tooling. This deal makes NO sense.

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15 May 2022 22:20:00
WPG
Scheifele
NJ
1st RD 2nd overall.
Zacha.

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16 May 2022 03:56:38
It fills no needs for Winnipeg. I can't see the Jets having much interest.

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16 May 2022 04:00:25
Plus I don't think NJ needs to give up assets for another top 6 C.

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16 May 2022 04:14:38
This would make the Jets 10 years younger. After missing the playoffs why wouldn’t they do it? No from Jersey.

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16 May 2022 13:24:07
As I said Ebs, it fills no needs for the Jets. Winnipeg doesn't need a low end, left shot, winger/ center, looking for a raise. Especially in exchange for a PPG 1C on a great contract.

The first is nice, but isn't enough for Scheifele.

Besides Jersey isn't a Scheifele away from doing anything and the Jets likely concentrate on things they need. Like right shot forwards and defenseman.

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16 May 2022 15:05:11
NJ laughs.

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16 May 2022 15:27:01
I think NJ would want the player with the high pick as they are still rebuilding and have a team of young high draft picks. Scheifele wouldn't fit in with their plans.

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16 May 2022 16:47:05
The first is nice? Lol it’s 2nd overall. If the Jets wanted to move on from some of there core while still being competitive now and in a few years this would be a no brainer. And it sounds like moving on from the core would be a good idea. Yeah Sheifele is a bargain but he’s 29 with two seasons left on his contract, he wouldn’t be a fit for a lot of teams including Jersey.

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16 May 2022 18:07:37
Lol. Yes Ebs, you and in general most fans, grossly overvalue 1st round picks. Especially in a weak draft.

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16 May 2022 21:01:09
@memarcus You and many others grossly overvalue their favorite team's players and prospects. You're usually pretty close on trade valuations that don't involve the Jets but when it comes to the Jets you're incredibly biased.

No doubt some would say the same about me but of course they are wrong. :)

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16 May 2022 21:09:07
Marcus, how is this a weak draft? Maybe no McDavid, but a lot of really good prospects.
Jersey would be wise to keep the pick. , as good as Scheifele is, he's at his peak, and will slowly ( not quite yet) start to slow down. he's needed more for a team that is in contention now. Maybe a team like Boston would be a good fit? They will need a number 1C maybe even as soon as next season.

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16 May 2022 21:41:43
I know you're just messing around Mox, but you can't seriously believe any team would give up their 1C that is similar to Scheifele for a single first round pick and a meh bottom 6 player looking for a raise.

Take out the names and replace them with generic positions and their value. If you think that is the value of a player that produces at a PPG pace playing the hardest position in hockey to fill. Then I don't know what to say.

You can't seriously believe that is a fair offer?

Would you move your 1C for that? Well then why would Winnipeg?

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16 May 2022 21:53:44
Sosa, I guess weak draft is the wrong word. From what I've been reading and hearing lately, Wright isn't as clear cut a 1OA choice now as he was at the beginning of the season. He's fallen back a bit, while others have raised their stock. I'm hearing that any of 5 or 6 guys could possibly go number one, based on what Montreal inevitably wants. But talent wise they are close. So it isn't a slam dunk choice.

I agree though, as I said earlier, it doesn't make sense for Jersey either. They aren't a Scheifele away from making the playoffs or doing anything, so it isn't a smart move for them.

People always target the wrong teams with trades like this. Scheifele wouldn't waive to go to Jersey IMO and is far more likely to be moved to a contender.

As you are saying, a Boston, an Islanders, maybe Carolina. Someone that needs more offense to push them over the top.

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16 May 2022 22:23:16
Who do you think a comparable to Scheifele would be? I think Washington would 100% take that package for Kuznetsov.

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17 May 2022 02:38:11
@Ebsolutely a good comparable would probably be Gaudreau. Their production is similar just put Gaudreau on a team friendly contract for the next 2-3 years.
He gets an Eichel type package if traded - a low first and maybe a weak pick, a very solid prospect and a respectable vet to match salaries.

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17 May 2022 03:20:28
Kuznetsov isn't a good comparable as he has a worse contract and less production. So, maybe Washington would take the deal to get or from under that contract.

Gaudreau is closer other than being a left winger which is easier to find than a 1C. Scheifele's production is also more consistent even though he plays the more difficult position. But that at least is closer.

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17 May 2022 05:41:54
I think Calgary would take that package if there core was aging and they just missed playoffs. Calgary fans chime in? Hockey dad I’d take the 2nd overall over a solid prospect and a late first.

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17 May 2022 06:42:05
I wouldn't take that package for Lindholm and I wouldn't take Scheifele for him either. I wouldn't want Scheifele and his attitude at all.

A couple years from now when Lindholm is 29 and making more than $4.85 mil he makes now I probably would take that package for him if the Flames needed to retool/ rebuild. But I still wouldn't want Scheifele.

Zacha also happens to be a guy I value quite highly. He isn't a bottom 6 left winger as marcus suggested. He's a versatile center/ winger who can play all 3 forward positions in the top 6 with the skill players or in the bottom 6 with the grinders. He's big fast and skilled. IMO he's another Sam Bennett, a player who's being misused, who just needs a change of scenery to reach his full potential. He's a guy I'd really like to see on the Flames.

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17 May 2022 19:05:22
They brought up Gaudreau as a comparison not Lindholm? Miller > Scheifele and I think there was some big packages for him involving a young roster player, late 1st and solid prospect. This offer would be a young roster player and the 2nd OA. If moving a first for Scheifele was the right move for Jersey I think Zacha and like the 10 OA would be a good move for both teams.

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17 May 2022 19:46:46
Lol Ebs. A career year by Miller that he'll never see again doesn't suddenly make him better than Schiefele. There's no debate, Scheifele is the better and more valuable player especially when you factor in contracts.

Get back to us after Miller puts up a PPG for another 4 or 5 years.

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17 May 2022 23:21:28
When the Miller rumours were swirling he had a year and a half and he makes a million less. His time in Vancouver has upped his value to more than Scheifele IMO. Regardless there comparable. And I don’t remember your thoughts on the Miller proposals but I think you would’ve laughed at Miller for 2OA and Zacha, maybe I’m wrong?

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18 May 2022 00:45:25
Yeah for a rental like Miller 2OA + Zacha is steep. Miller doesn't have the same scoring pedigree as Scheifele, so even if he had 2 years of term, Miller isn't at Scheifele's level.

So, if I was Jersey, I probably wouldn't do it as I wouldn't want to buy high on Miller when his history says he's likely not reaching this level of production again.

Miller just isn't as consistently productive as Scheifele, which keeps Scheifele's value higher. You can try to use various rumours to devalue Scheifele to Miller's level, but there's just nothing rational and objective to justify it.

A Miller is far easier to find than a Scheifele.

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18 May 2022 02:40:45
Miller > Scheifele

Everyone but the Jets fans can see that.

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18 May 2022 13:13:52
Lol Mox. Let's see some actual facts to back it up.

You don't have any? I didn't think so.

When Miller turns into a consistent PPG 1C, come back and make your point.

Right now, you're just showing you can't see things without a heavy bias.

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15 May 2022 08:20:42
Montreal get
2nd Ovr
Luke Hugues

NJ get
1st Ovr.

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15 May 2022 10:16:07
I would do that in a heartbeat if I am Montreal.

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15 May 2022 12:16:09
Nj isn't going to want to upset there Star Jack by trading away his brother.
Also, can't see Habs trading away #1, especially in their own building. Unless its in some sort of deal to land an already established star.
Maybe people don't see Wright as a potential Superstar, but I think he will be just fine. He won't be on the same level as McDavid of course, but he could be a mix of Tavares with Bergeron. That's not to bad IMO.

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15 May 2022 12:22:30
Brutal for NJ. I think 1st and 2nd r worth about the same. Shane Wright I think will actually be worse than Cooley.

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16 May 2022 14:35:42
I also don’t think the gap between Cooley is much. Habs take this and I don’t care what people say there management takes this deal and New Jersey laughs. Maybe Ty Smith and that pick for Wright. That’d only Because smith doesn’t fit in with the abundance of offensive dman New Jersey has. Ironically Smith would be a great fit in Montreal.

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13 May 2022 21:26:37
3 way trade


Mtl- cgy pick-petry

Nj - 2nd pick overall-severson

Van- boeser


Mtl- 2nd overall

Nj-petry-boeser

Van- severson-cgy pick

Tought?

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13 May 2022 22:14:54
NJ says no thanks we'll just keep our 2nd OA.

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14 May 2022 05:13:06
Yes please! .
Unfortunately wouldn't happen . Habs will have to add a sweetener to get someone to take Petrys contract.

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14 May 2022 10:19:44
Heavily favours MTL.

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14 May 2022 16:16:01
Cut Montreal out, but i like the idea of Severson + for Boeser for both teams.

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