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04 Nov 2017 20:27:59
I still think a deal could be made for Montreal to acquire the #1 French Canadian centre they desperately need. Not that the French part matters but the city loves it.

Giroux & a young defense prospect for Pacioretty & Galchenyuk?

Other pieces would need to be added but Philly has a lot of defenseman coming up and could use some wing depth IMO. Montreal needs a #1 center and young defense. It would have to be one of Philadelphia's defenseman lower on the list for this to be fair. Any ideas?

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05 Feb 2017 16:59:37
I think St.Louis needs to go after Duchene in a big way. Having Duchene & Stastny is a very respectable 1/2. I think it would take Fabbri, 2017 1st & a top young D man, not named Parayko. I'm not sure if other teams would offer more but I think the value is fair. What do you think Colt? Can you make an honest evaluation of the players and maybe an idea of which D man to add to the deal?

Leafs17

1.) 05 Feb 2017 17:50:14
I'd say Parayko straight up for Dushene. Then they sign Shatty to a 6×6 contract with a NMC.


2.) 05 Feb 2017 18:04:15
To Colorado Avalanche:
- D Kevin Shattenkirk
- F Jori Lehtera

To St-Louis Blues:
- F Matt Duchene
- D François Beauchemin.


3.) 05 Feb 2017 18:12:56
Parayko straight up lol no from Colorado.


4.) 05 Feb 2017 18:46:12
I just read Fabbri is out for the season. There goes that idea.


5.) 06 Feb 2017 03:43:11
Blues are not tradin parayko. With that said we are not going to pay a kings ransom for duchene if we do that then we will only create more holes on the team.


6.) 06 Feb 2017 04:26:53
You have to give to get Colt. I don't suggest Trading Parayko what so ever, but defense is a position of strength at the moment. If trading a top D prospect, a mid 1st and a good forward is what it takes to get a #1 center, I think you do it. Shattenkirk will bring back a nice package to replace some that's lost to bring in Duchene. Or the Blues can be happy with last years run and just sit back and watch the world go by.


7.) 06 Feb 2017 21:13:03
no you don't if your team drafts well. Blues don't need duchene he is way over priced. Blues have some promising talent developing. Shatty is gone colton parayko is our RHD of the future. the blues have another dman in Schmaltz ready to step in plues wallman and DUnn on the left. As for our center issues. We have Tage Thompson and Jordan Kyrou who by the way is having a great season. If that wasnt enough Barbashev has looked very good in his first few games.

i believe in small retools vs selling the farm for talent.

Parayko is not getting trade.


8.) 06 Feb 2017 21:37:18
Are you replying to 10 people at once? I said " I don't suggest trading Parayko. " You've said yourself they need a #1 center and right wingers. You are always right though so there is no having a conversation.


 

 

05 Jan 2017 15:21:54
How about Landeskog for Pouliot, Nurse and a 1st?
I think Landeskog would be a great player and leader for some of the youth in Edmonton. The salaries almost balance out. Colorado gets a young defenseman they are looking for, a mid 1st rounder and a cap dump to replace Landeskog on the left side. I know there's been a lot of Colorado/ Edmonton proposals but I don't think this one has been. Not sure regarding the expansion draft, it may force Edmonton to protect another player. I think you guys said Nurse doesn't need to be protected so that would also help Colorado. Fair?

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1.) 05 Jan 2017 16:00:43
Not at all Landy can get a better return than this. Beside Edmonton should keep Nurse they need him for the future. They just traded Hall for Larson so why trade a D for a winger. If anything they should trade a forward for a left defensemen after the expension draft to play on the second pair while Nurse is progressing.


2.) 05 Jan 2017 16:01:01
Only after the expension draft tho.


3.) 05 Jan 2017 16:02:08
Absolutely no chance this goes down.
Edmonton is very thin at D and needs more D, not another forward.
Nurse is actually exempt from the Vegas draft which makes him too valuable of an asset to move. Nurse falls into the untouchable zone right now with his exemption status, low salary, and his vastly improved play that is making him look like a lock for a legit #1 shutdown dman in the next year or 2.

As much as Landy would help out up front. the cost of Nurse is not worth it.


4.) 05 Jan 2017 17:00:18
Oilers do have surplus of LHD, but Nurse should stay in Edmonton.


5.) 05 Jan 2017 19:17:25
I'd be willing to throw Klefbom in for Landeskog instead. Klefbom would probably be top pair on Colorado. Oil could retain on Pouliot too.


6.) 06 Jan 2017 03:24:13
Klefbom reminds me of Hedman.


 

 

20 Dec 2016 00:01:14
This is probably not the best proposal but I though that it would be an interesting idea.

Ladd and Pulock for JVR

The leafs take on a terrible contract that is going to look a lot worse in 5 years to get Pulock. Ladd obviously needs a fresh start. He has had a very good career and his #'s are pretty good other than this year. He has cup experience and could prove to be a great leader when the leafs are finally ready to compete. I don't know a lot about the young kids, but going by what you guys say I'm guessing Pulock is going to be good. NY gets a top LW to play alongside Tavares and start to shake things up. I'm not even sure the leafs can afford Ladd's contract when it comes time to sign everyone else. Is Pulock worth taking on a contract like that? Maybe someone adds?

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1.) 20 Dec 2016 00:52:12
Leafs take Ladd. Yeah, right.


2.) 20 Dec 2016 01:07:21
It would take more than Pulock to swap JVR for Ladd.


3.) 20 Dec 2016 01:18:22
Do not want Ladd on the leafs and that would make the islanders manegment look bad with trading a player before the 1st year of a long term
Contract.


4.) 20 Dec 2016 01:19:15
Ladd is washed up. You cap dump and Pulock for JVR pretty much.


5.) 20 Dec 2016 05:01:18
Want Lucic instead?


6.) 20 Dec 2016 06:50:54
I'd take Lucic and Klefbom for JVR yep. I don't think you would though. I knew it wasn't the greatest proposal but NY is looking for a winger for Tavares and Toronto needs defense. I think JVR will be moved st the deadline.


7.) 20 Dec 2016 06:53:35
Sorry. That was Ebs not yep.


8.) 20 Dec 2016 09:06:19
I know Klefbom hasn't proven much but he's only a year older than Pulock with a lot more NHL experience. In his limited time Klefboms production has been decent and hopefully this season we really see what he can do.

Career wise Ladd and Lucic have somewhat similar production but not this season. Lol and Ladd is 3 years older which makes a difference with there contracts.

But I like your thinking and it would be nice if something similar could work. Lucic is a dud. Lol but ya can't really dump him year one especially because the NMC.


9.) 20 Dec 2016 15:22:51
Delete Pulock from the trade and it looks about right.


10.) 20 Dec 2016 17:05:38
I have Lucic in my fantasy pool, he's not doing too bad. In a few years it's going to be a real bad contract. I also have Klefbom and Eberle but now it seems as though Sekera took over the PP instead of Klefbom.


 

 

13 Sep 2016 22:50:59
Trouba for Hopkins? Winnipeg gets one of the best 2 way centers in the league (for you k99). Scheifele, Hopkins and Little would make a respectable group of centers. Edmonton gets one of the best, most fierce RHD in the league (for you islandjet) . Edmonton's d core is set. I don't know all the rules for the expansion draft so maybe this is not a good proposal. As far as value goes, who adds?

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1.) 14 Sep 2016 00:32:03
Hopkins is very overrated by people in the west. If you watched Hockey Night in Canada last year, you will know the east sees him for what he is now. However, I love the desire Nuge has and he is a very smart player. Winnipeg should not make this deal.


2.) 14 Sep 2016 02:15:51
Why do you say Hopkins is one of the best two-way centres? He's not on the level of Bergeron or Getzlaf (obviously) or even Backlund of the Flames. I'm not say Backlund is better, he is just a better player defensively.

Hopkins is a very good 2nd line centre who would benefit from more offensive zone starts the defensive. He just happens to play on a team where the only other centres are a rookie and a sophomore who was given way too much in his first year. He's just the best centre defensively on a team with terrible centres.


3.) 14 Sep 2016 04:20:40
Edm takes it, doesn't make sense for peg.


4.) 14 Sep 2016 06:30:14
Alberta moose he clearly stated why he said that lol. But
Nuge is capable of playing 1st line minutes as he's done it for basically his whole career (yes he was rushed) but two years ago he was edmontons best player and Iv seen lots of articles saying he's starting to look like that again in the World Cup. However, yes on Edmonton he's starting to get lost in the depth of center, which is a very good problem for Edmonton. Like I said, he can be a first like center, but he will perform the best if he's a 2nd line center, like you said. Nuge is a very good 2 way player, and as everyone says "we" overrate him, some do, but clearly half the people here don't watch him close enough to see all the little things he does.
But like I already said, he is a good 2nd line center.


5.) 14 Sep 2016 08:28:31
Nearly 60 point center that is known for his defence does have tons of value. He's not flashy and won't wow you but if anything he gets undervalued because he isn't as offensive as other number 1 overalls.


6.) 14 Sep 2016 09:26:55
I'm not sure why this doesn't make sense Lindss. I agree Hopkins is over rated, especially on this site. However, he is a solid #2 center to have behind Scheifele and fits in with the young talent Winnipeg has on the wing. Little could be used more for special teams and center depth. McJ and Ebs, would you guys make the deal or not?


7.) 14 Sep 2016 12:00:28
Somehow I knew this would turn into a RNH debate lol. Anyways like you said Jets have Schiefele and Little down the middle. Both are under 30 and should be good for 55+ points. I don't see the Jets trading Trouba for another forward, let alone a C. The Jets need/ want a top 4 LHD D. Unfortunately, as good as RNH is defensively he isn't that.


8.) 14 Sep 2016 12:29:42
Winnipeg wins easily, Edmonton has enough project/ maybe defence men, can't give up proven centre for a maybe.


9.) 14 Sep 2016 12:41:13
comparing backlund to Nuge is ridiculous.


10.) 14 Sep 2016 13:00:40
Especially since trouba wants more money than Nuge, even if equal salary, Nuge is way more valuable than a #5 defenseman with potential.


11.) 14 Sep 2016 13:10:08
And ya, why would jets want Nuge or little playing a checking line role? Doesn't make to much sense. Davidson had 2 less goals than trouba last year in 30 less games. trouba should have less value then Davidson considering money. Not an Oilers fan but rather have Davidson at 1.4m next two years than trouba at 6-7mil for 6-7 years.


12.) 14 Sep 2016 13:20:08
Alberta moose. Like how you say mcdavid is terrible. And draisital? Nuge? If anything centre is Edmontons only strength. Hardly think they have terrible centres.


13.) 14 Sep 2016 13:48:04
Shoots: you can put your thoughts in one post. I believe he was saying that nuge was given the number one centre role so early because they were a team that was terrible at centre when he came along. I don't believe anyone is saying mcdavid is terrible lol however Trouba is not a 5th dman who just has potential. He has 211 NHL games at 22 years old in the tough western conference. If Nurse plays another 150 games against NHL players and succeeds I doubt oilers fans would agree he is just a fringe player that MIGHT be good one day. Trouba is a very good player who is rubbing people the wrong way with dragged out contract negotiations, but that doesn't make him a bad player on the ice. Be serious.


14.) 14 Sep 2016 14:18:48
I don't mind it.


15.) 14 Sep 2016 15:23:06
This would need to be addressed after the expansion draft as the Oilers have their 3 protected D on the roster already.

Trouba didn't play very good in his first X game.
He was lights out in his first few seasons, but has tapered off.
RNH on the other hand is finally getting some looks from people outside of Oil country. He is getting better and is finally starting to get some size to him.

His 2 way play makes him a very valuable player for the team, so giving him strait up for Trouba who seems to be struggling a bit right now is a bad deal for the Oilers.

Best to wait until the end of the season to evaluate both players and see what Trouba's contract ends up being. If it's RNH for 7.5/ year playing like he is now Trouba. easy no way for Edmonton.


16.) 14 Sep 2016 15:24:02
RNH is a solid center that is a solid #2 center. The Jets have Schiefele and Little as their top 2 centers and RNH would be in the mix as a great 2b. That's not a knock on RNH as the Jets top 3 forward lines are flexible and RNH could be playing with Perreault, Connor, Petan, Stafford even Liane as all three lines would get a lot of playing time. But at $6 mil RNH would be too expensive for Wpg and they would rather use the cash toward Trouba who should sign for less than that.
Trouba is listening to his agent who has a reputation of over valuing his player and wanting way more $ than he is worth. Trouba would be a solid r-shot D that the Oilers desperately need, but the Jets would still need a l-shot d-man. I don't think Wpg or Ed makes this trade at this time.


17.) 14 Sep 2016 15:40:48
Leafs17
Yes there's a debate. RNH is already outplaying Scheiffle at the WHC. This is not anything Oiler fans didn't fully expect. Peg fans are adamant on their assessment of Schieffle being the better of the 2 and don't want to believe. Neutral fans just look at team success and what goes on the scoresheet without watching the intangibles that the actual player has in his game that don't show up such as take aways from opponents, how many times he's provided a great scoring chance and it wasn't cashed in on, and his PK abilities. He's still great on the PP, just not utilized in Edm on the PP. In OT and shootout he's dynamite as well which helps the team out immensely getting those extra points. Watch an OT with him and Eberle sometime. That's fun to watch when they get a hold of the puck.

Regardless of the debate. Long and short of it is that RNH and Scheiffle would be a good 1-2 punch on any team, and at this time it's best for Edm to just keep RNH and let the D develop from within.

Shoots
Agree 100% Edm was thin at center a few years ago and with the amount of injuries in the new NHL center depth is a darn good thing to have. D is coming from within. So No go on trade.


18.) 14 Sep 2016 16:06:24
@McJ
The thing is Hopkins is not capable of playing top line minutes right now. Just because someone has done something for years doesn't mean they're good at it. Shultz isn't a top 4 defenseman even though that's how he was used.
I agree Hopkins is an offensive talent. I'm a very big fan of his since his Rebel days. My issue is people saying he is a two-way centre even though he is bad at defense. Yes he plays against the others team's best players and he's not good at it defensively.

@Shoots
I'm only comparing Backlund (a good two-way centre) to Hopkins (not a two-way centre) in the defensive zone. And in that comparison Backlund is better. Hopkins is much better at offense though.
I'm saying McDavid and Draisaitl are bad at defense. They're both very young and can improve greatly in a few years. Both players are incredible talents.

In short Hopkins is not a two-way centre. That's how he is used and he is bad at half of it.

I think the Oilers would want a deal in place for Trouba before trading for him.


19.) 14 Sep 2016 17:10:25
Lol well you're the only person who thinks Nuge isn't a 2way center then.
Leafs17, would I make the deal? I'd say no.
To me I think it's really important to have 3 very good centerman. Having McDavid, Nuge and Drat is a perfect center depth.
However, I would absolutely trade Nuge for a dman, just not Trouba. Trouba is obviously a good young player with lots of potential, but I just think Edmonton waits for a better player available. So I wouldn't do Nuge for Trouba.


20.) 14 Sep 2016 17:52:30
McDavid and RNH are definetely not bad at defence. RNH lead the league in ice time for a forward two seasons ago and he was top for takeaways as far as I know. And yeah Leafs17 if it weren't for the expansion draft I'd do it. Add Davidson and Lowry for positional needs maybe.


 

 

 

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18 Nov 2017 13:12:31
Why is this Gudas character still in the league? He's another Matt Cooke.

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1.) 18 Nov 2017 14:02:00
he is a decent defenseman when he is in the right frame of mind. but yeah I agree he's a bit matt cookeish.


2.) 18 Nov 2017 16:29:31
Agree. He is one of the worst goons out there.


 

 

18 Nov 2017 10:48:38
Jokinen 1 Cammalleri 0

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1.) 18 Nov 2017 16:39:25
Hahahahaha. 😳😳😳💔

Nice little jab. Hey man, I've been staying away from your Leafs lately. Thank the Habs fans on here for those distractions. Why you coming after me? Haha.


 

 

17 Nov 2017 11:04:58
Could the leafs not get a top 4 defenseman with Leivo, Soshnikov & Kapanen being expendable? I don't know what they are waiting for. Trade them while the team is doing well and maybe you get a better return. I'm not a GM like some of the posters on here but I don't think you wait until your team is in a down slide or when every other team knows you have to make a move.

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1.) 17 Nov 2017 14:15:32
You can't get a top 4 D man for one of those guys tho.


2.) 17 Nov 2017 16:01:08
Need to add a lot to any one of those guys to get a real top 4 improvement. And if you start combining 2-3 young depth players, your team is much worse. Hawks, Penguins etc keep losing players to free agency and trade because of cap issues. That will be the leafs in a cpl seasons. You need soshnikov, kapanen, Leivo, gauthier etc to be your sheary/ guentzel/ Wilson in Pitt and schmaltz/ Hartman/ debrincat on CHI. Cheap, good players to step in to bigger roles. You start unloading too much depth for one roster piece and your window will be closing before it fully opened. Matthews, nylander, marner and rielly are the reason the future is so bright, but those other guys, including Brown on a cheap deal, are integral to its longevity.


3.) 17 Nov 2017 17:51:00
Jim is on the right track. In this cap era it is a silutly essential to have young players on ELC contracts stepping up and making an impact. All contenders will have at least a few.
It's the big reason why I don't want the Oilers to trade for expensive wingers right now when the whole hope is to have Moto or Pulljujarvi be one of those guys in the cheap ELC co tract to help with scoring instead of paying a ton more for it. They just need a rental for this season, and they can afford it big time. But the main hope is to have Bose guys step up next year for a few years and make a big impact on a cheap ELC contract.

If you could get a top 4 D man for one of those guys and a 1st. Then yea, I would do it. Without having to give up a Marner and get a good D improvement would be nice. But hold on to most those guys could be key pieces this, next or the year after.
Do I make sense? Or did I just ramble a little.


4.) 17 Nov 2017 18:46:02
Congrats to you yup for staring to leave the mtl troll stuff and actually having good comments again. Right on.


5.) 17 Nov 2017 20:24:11
Don't you worry bro.
I can still troll the Habs stuff. As long as they're delusional, I will troll.
It's just great fun.


But I do wonder how the Leafs will bolster their blue line.
They will be running into some cap issues maybe with Mayhews and others contracts. Will be interesting anyways.


6.) 18 Nov 2017 10:49:11
Even 2 of them and add Carrick who is a decent Rd? A team that needs forward depth could benefit IMO.


7.) 18 Nov 2017 13:11:18
I definitely didn’t think one of these guys could land a top 4 defenseman. I understand what Jim and yup are saying but I don’t think that trading 2 or 3 of these guys will deplete their depth. The leafs have an abundance of nhl caliber forwards. There is Gauthier as well and is Rychel still around or could he not even crack an nhl roster?


8.) 18 Nov 2017 16:48:50
Maybe two of them and Carrick would interest Van for Tanev? I've looked at Vans roster and it's not as bad as people think. Would those two have to wait until the Sisters retire for a spot?
They have Vanek-Gagner-Eriksson as a forth line!


 

 

17 Nov 2017 11:03:38
Mete moves to forward? That's a nice little bonus to have in the line up.

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25 Feb 2017 11:20:48
Hudler back to Calgary for a 2nd. He had his best years there and could return to form.

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1.) 25 Feb 2017 15:04:54
A second is way to much for him rn. I agree they could use him but for something a lot less.


2.) 26 Feb 2017 06:11:15
Hudler has been awful, I'm sure Stars would trade him for just about anything.


 

 

 

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18 Nov 2017 10:47:46
AO99 you do know why Martin is in the lineup right? I’m pretty sure Kapanen has more skill than him.

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17 Nov 2017 11:05:17
This could be a great deal for both teams. I’m still hesitant about trading one of the big 3 young forwards when there are other forwards who could bring in a decent return. Mind you I don’t think their forwards in the AHL could land Hamilton but maybe someone like Manson or another stay at home defenseman.

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12 Nov 2017 07:25:57
Considering all oil fans say they are deep at LD, I like the trade. Maybe a small add from Montreal. Gallagher would be a nice addition on the right side for Edmonton. I don’t like it because I think it makes both teams better.

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12 Nov 2017 07:24:30
Value may be there but the leafs should see what this Liljigren has to offer. Marner is back to form too so no from the leafs.

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11 Nov 2017 07:45:15
After the season Edmonton had last year, trading Draisaitl because of a slow start to the season would be the biggest mistake IMO. They beat the Sharks and should’ve beat the Ducks. Maybe they should stay the course and hope things come together.

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I think that was a terrible deal by the lightning. Gudas, a 1st & 3rd for a 30 year old average d man. They could have had Polak for Gudas alone. Polak was the 1st name that I could think of, but there had to have been better options for cheaper. Personally, I hope the leafs keep Polak.

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Thanks

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@steamer do you understand that it doesn't go against Toronto's cap? Big difference. The owners are paying, they owe us one. They'll probably raise ticket prices to get their money back.

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That's Toronto for you. I think they should have waited too

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Not really

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