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27 Apr 2018 11:45:09
My 2018/19 leaf line up. Keep in mind I am not a GM, nor have I been interviewed for the position, yet! I don't think my signings will go through because I seem to be the only one that cares about toughness. Anyways, Bozak is a must to resign. He's a great 3rd line center that kills penalties, wins face offs and is great in the shoot out. I'd love to see Komarov back as 4th line center. He takes face offs short handed and I believe he's played center in Finland and TO. I'm sure Plekanec will go back to Montreal. I don't see there being enough money to go around for JVR considering they still have to sign Nylander, then Matthews and Marner the following year. I say just small changes this year in hopes of taking a run at Doughty when the time comes.

Re sign - Nylander $6 for 6, Bozak $3 for 3, Komarov $2 for 2, Polak $1 for 1 and Carrick $1 for 1

Sign - Maroon $3 for 3, Prout $1 for 1

Walk - JVR, Plekanec, Moore

Just a guess on money and term

Matthews, Nylander, Hyman
Kadri, Marner, Marleau
Bozak, Kapanen, Maroon
Komarov, Brown, Johnsson
X - Martin, Leivo, Aaltonen(4th center?)

Zaitsev, Reilly
Hainsey, Gardiner
Prout, Dermott
X - Polak, Carrick

I just think Hainsey needs to be with Gardiner. The defense is still weak but the team would be a little tougher to play against. Maybe Liljegren is ready for 19/20 and they could have a legitimate top 4, hoping they land Doughty of course.

Leafs17

1.) 27 Apr 2018 12:45:00
Okay so heres what I think:
1. Resigning Komarov would be a big mistake, esp to that contract
2. Neither Bozak nor Maroon will come that cheap plus Maroon already pretty much said he wants back to the Oilers
3. As you basically said, Leafs still lack a top end D, they won't go anywhere without one, imo.


2.) 27 Apr 2018 14:03:43
I could see bozak coming back at a contract kind of like that but maybe a bit higher. He’s 4.2 mill now, and got that contract while playing top line for 4-5 years with kessel. He’s now very aware he’s behind Matthews and Kadri. I would think 3x3.5 or maybe even ideally for me would be like 2x3.75 or 2x4. It’s a discount for sure but it’s the only place he’s played and where he started his family. got to play those cards.

The fact komarov didn’t play the 4 games of the playoffs when he was healthy for 3 tells me that babcocks opinion of him has changed. Midway through this season I thought he was most likely to return, not any more.


3.) 27 Apr 2018 14:20:10
I'm guessing Maroon signs in Edm, NJ or STL.
I think Leafs main focus should be to find a top 4 D.


4.) 27 Apr 2018 17:39:43
Nylander 6x6 will not happen he’s easily going to demand more money as well.


5.) 27 Apr 2018 20:29:43
I know Maroon liked his time in Edmonton but this is a business. Do they bring back another big, physical winger or go with players that can skate? Komarov coming back is a long shot, especially because he is not a natural center which they lack. I just like him and was hoping to see him back. Still might need a 4th line center. McJ I don’t know what it will take to sign Nylander. Pastrnak is $6.6 and he is better than Nylander.


6.) 27 Apr 2018 21:48:11
Nylander can demand more money all he wants; he's not going to get it.

Pasta is a good comparable for him (same draft year) and he's way better and only makes 6.6.


7.) 27 Apr 2018 23:01:24
Might be a bit more than 6x6 but his playoff didn’t help his case. Pasternak and ehlers are both similar player types from the same draft and both have had slightly more success. They’re both on long term deals around 6.5 mill. I think that’s where it will be. Even outside those very similar comparisons there's Gaudreau, Monahan, Mackinnon, scheifele etc who were all really good players coming off entry levels in the last 2-3 offseasons and all got between 6 and 6.75 million. Draisaitl is the exception getting 8.5 and I don’t think that’s the new norm, that’s the one GMs will look at and realize it hurts their situation.


8.) 27 Apr 2018 23:36:59
Ya my only argument to Nylander getting more money is comparing himself to Drat who got 8.5 like you said, and his argument could be that he’s the next best player on Toronto and he could try to get 7 Mil+.


9.) 27 Apr 2018 23:45:54
unsportmanlike Nylander is getting at the very least 7 million for 8 years. he's a star in the making who has 2 60 points season before turning 22. Plus the fact he plays center is valuable. Toronto is going to have to pay him what he's worth. he's on of the stars in this team and knows it. If Mattews gets around 9-10 million he is going to want at least 70% of that. And max year 100%.


10.) 28 Apr 2018 01:34:43
@triplets You’re right they won’t be going anywhere next year with minimal changes. However, they were a period away from beating one of the top teams in the league. I just think the leafs should be patient for one more year and make a serious push for Doughty. Gardiner’s contract will be up, maybe they let him walk and Dermott slides into the top 4. I really don’t know if they can afford Doughty after signing Matthews and Marner. If they could fit him in without trading a young stud, they will be contenders.


11.) 28 Apr 2018 02:52:36
Colt, Matthews isn’t signing for 9 lol and marner has shown who the second best player is. Arguably it’s Matthews, marner, Rielly, Nylander.


12.) 28 Apr 2018 03:14:05
I love Nylander but if Nylander asks for 7 mil trade him for defensive help. He should not be making more then Pasta.


13.) 28 Apr 2018 03:20:30
Oh yeah Colt? Is he a gold medal winner like Muzzin?


14.) 28 Apr 2018 12:05:10
Fair point McJ regarding Drai. I would point out however (contrary to Colt’s post that was bereft of facts as usual) that Drai plays a lot at centre and has been effective (Nylander has merely had a few brief stints there and has not been able to hack it; he’s going to get paid for what he has done up till now and that is as a winger) .

Secondly, the Leafs have Lou Lam who is not an easy negotiator (ffs he won’t even let the kids have facial hair in the regular season) . I don’t think Nylander gets anything close to Drai money.


15.) 29 Apr 2018 15:04:20
* I meant the fact he can also play center is valuable.


 

 

21 Feb 2018 08:50:03
Just a thought. Would Draisaitl for Faulk & Rask/Lindholm be fair? Gives Carolina a #1 center and Edmonton the RD they need, plus a #3 center. I already know what FT4A will say, just wondering what normal Oiler fans would think.

Leafs17

1.) 21 Feb 2018 11:29:15
Looking at it again, maybe Draisaitl for Faulk, Lindholm plus? I don’t think Edmonton should trade Draisaitl at all but Carolina has some good assets to at least get Edmonton thinking.


2.) 21 Feb 2018 13:29:32
I think it would have to be lindholm Faulk and a pick for Draisatl.


3.) 21 Feb 2018 13:37:32
I be always been a fan OF Elias Lindholm and belief he still has the potential to become just as good or maybe better then Drai so big no from Canes. I think Drai' s stats are saturated and that If he played in Carolina he would be a 60 point player tops. Still good but Drai is like a Monahan you know? Do u trade Faulk and Linholm for Monahan? Nooo.


4.) 21 Feb 2018 15:12:27
It’s going to have to way more than that lol and no sorry Lindholm will never be just as good or better than Drat yikes man. And that comparison is whack lol.


5.) 21 Feb 2018 15:57:29
Oilers add, maybe Nurse, Yamamoto and 2018 1st.


6.) 21 Feb 2018 18:39:05
Leafs17

Austin Matthews for the crew you named instead seems more reasonable.


7.) 21 Feb 2018 20:03:23
Sorry oil fans. Trying to make your team better but that’s a monumental task. That is yet again a very original reply yup. FT4A, there is no crew in this league that could fetch an Oiler player is there? I guess you guys stick with 3 good centers and nothing else. Good luck with the tank job chirp.


8.) 21 Feb 2018 21:34:41
McJ and Ebs, please disregard any negative comments I make towards the oilers. I do like Edmonton and you guys seem ok. I really don’t think the Oilers should trade Draisaitl but they should be listening to every offer. Is there a package from Carolina you would accept?


9.) 21 Feb 2018 22:31:14
It’s not too bad I just think a lesser trade based around Nuge would be more realistic. I think Faulk and Nuge have closer values than Faulk and Draisaitl.


10.) 22 Feb 2018 00:17:58
Thanks Ebs. I think Faulk and Hopkins could be a one for one similar to Johansen and Jones. Maybe a small add somewhere. I do believe that Draisaitl has what it takes to bring in a top defenseman, top 6 forward and possibly more. You’re right about a Hopkins deal being more realistic but it doesn’t solve the winger issue. However, trading Draisaitl would hurt too much I’m guessing. I wouldn’t want to see him go if he was on my team.


 

 

10 Feb 2018 17:29:14
It's no secret the goaltending on Long island is a disgrace. What about making a move for Craig Anderson? His #'s are down this year but he is a much better goalie than Halak IMO. Anderson might just need a fresh start on a team battling for a playoff spot. Halak is a UFA so Ottawa can let him walk and address their goaltending in the off season. Also, Tavares has said he wants to see management doing everything they can to put together a winning team.

Anderson for Halak plus a 2nd or 3rd?

Leafs17

1.) 10 Feb 2018 19:10:31
I think that’s interesting but I’d think Ottawa would want a better return since they will be entering their full rebuild. But I also don’t know how much they value Anderson. But good post.


2.) 10 Feb 2018 21:09:02
Andys turning 37 in may, he's been a great goalie for a long time. it all comes down to how much gas he has left in the tank, personally I've been expecting this drop off for a season or two now because of his rising age. Wish ottawa did something with they're goaltending in the off season last year when all the fleurys and bishops were on the move, even all the jonathan berniers, mike smiths and brian elliotts. Too bad the sens couldn't have got in on that goalie carousel.


3.) 11 Feb 2018 00:44:14
Interesting . However. Sens Just offered him an extention so i don't think they're planning on trading him. Also i wouldn't love taking back back Halak if we're only getting a 2nd. but Andy would definitly help NYI.


4.) 11 Feb 2018 03:01:41
Thanks for the responses. I think Anderson has enough left in the tank to make a playoff run and he has 1 more year left I believe. I understand Hoff but Halak is a UFA so they don’t have to keep him. Maybe Halak and a 1st would be more appropriate? I didn’t look to see other UFA goalies this year but the money they save on Anderson could get a good goalie as well, plus the pick for a rebuild.


5.) 11 Feb 2018 14:05:47
Ottawa wouldn't want halak.

Maybe replace halak with Michael dal Cole. sure he looks like a bust now but maybe he just needs a change of scenery and ottawa might do it for him. i'd sooner take my chances on him than halak.


 

 

07 Jan 2018 20:19:41
I posted similar proposals a while back and got mixed reviews. With the position the Oilers are in I think the Leafs/Oilers could help each other. I'd really like to see the leafs have some more grit, especially if they make the playoffs. The Oilers could use more speed and talented wingers.

Kapanen, 2nd for Nurse?
Kapanen, Gardiner for Nurse, 3rd?

Are either of these fair? Oiler fans have said there is a lot of depth on LD, maybe they could give up Nurse to bring in Kapanen. In the 2nd trade they replace Nurse with a mobile defenseman and add Kapanen. I know the leafs are looking for a RH defenseman but IMO this will improve their team while waiting for Liljegren to develop.

Leafs17

1.) 07 Jan 2018 20:24:24
I mean if I had to choose one of the two it would clearly be the second one where Edmonton gets back Gardiner and Kapanen, and i'd personally do that in a heartbeat. Nurse is starting to look like a good player lately he’s one of the few bright spots for the oilers this year but I think oilers could benefit more from the way Gardiner plays which is way more offensive. And oilers have terrible prospect pool and Kapanen would be a nice addition with no RW depth.


2.) 07 Jan 2018 20:51:45
Lol. The Oilers aren't trading Nurse right now. If they were it would be in a package for a better D man coming back. Not a few smaller pieces.


3.) 07 Jan 2018 20:57:08
I would call for Chiarelis head if he made one of those trades.


4.) 07 Jan 2018 21:31:45
I’d also expect a better package but if I had to pick of the two for sure the second one imo.


5.) 07 Jan 2018 21:52:16
Yea Oilers gets fleeced.


6.) 07 Jan 2018 22:27:24
I just think Nurse is an immovable asset for the oilers.


7.) 07 Jan 2018 22:55:39
I’ll take Gardiner 10/ 10 times over Nurse but I’d do the 1st deal in a heartbeat.


8.) 08 Jan 2018 00:17:14
Nurse can easily get a better package


9.) 08 Jan 2018 00:54:59
Sorry yup, but Gardiner is not too bad either. I know points don’t mean everything but take a look at them when you get a chance. Call for Chiarelli’s head is a little dramatic like you usually are. Kapanen could skate circles around half of the forwards on your team right now. By the way, you tube Darnell Nurse fights and see if he ever takes the visor off. He fought Reaves, Shaw, Haley all while the other guy didn’t have a visor, with plenty of time to take it off. He must be a d bag like Kadri. No need to be one yourself cause it’s me posting. I could understand not wanting to move Nurse because he is one of your teams few bright spots, but don’t make it sound like he is a Drew Doughty or something. Craig Button had so many wonderful things to say about the Oilers, I thought maybe some speed up front and on defense would help. You’ve made 3 trade rumours in 5 years so tone it down a notch.


10.) 08 Jan 2018 01:13:17
Why do you just reply to me? What's with your small hard on for me man? 5 out of 6 people commented wouldn't trade Nurse for what you proposed. If Kapanen is so great then keep him, If I'm trading Nurse its in a deal that's upgrading him or for a legit top 6 winger. Not Kapanen.
Lmao. You're hilarious man.
I've never once hinted Nurse is like a Doughty, I'm not that stupid. You whine a lot towards me. You entertain me. These deals are terrible for Nurse, you're coming out ahead and you know it. That's why you posted.


11.) 08 Jan 2018 01:14:13
@McJ you changed your tune quite a bit after yup posted. No need to agree with your fearless leader all the time. You and Ebs are usually pretty solid Oiler fans. Maybe my proposal is off but like you originally said, Gardiner’s style of play could be what the Oilers need and Kapanen could be in most teams top 9.


12.) 08 Jan 2018 01:31:35
I think Gardiner is being undervalued here. Yup acting very dramatic and above all as usual.


13.) 08 Jan 2018 03:24:18
Gotta agree with leafs17 on this.


14.) 08 Jan 2018 03:53:28
I don't agree with leafs17


15.) 08 Jan 2018 04:21:48
You’re way off like usual chirp. Flamers and Key habs disagree, no problem. Pavelec thinks Nurse is an immovable piece which I can understand. McJ would take the deal with Gardiner “in a heart beat. ” (Oiler fan no? ) Nylander would take Gardiner over Nurse straight up. Where’s the 5 of 6 people? Are you looking at disagrees cause you should know how that works. Your comments to people are why you have people calling you out on a daily basis, not just myself. I think I explained why I posted the rumour. Toronto needs grit IMO, Oilers need speed. I also said they could help each other. The 2 players offered are good players, even though they wear blue and white. Maybe Edmonton should sit back and watch the season go by? Did you look up Nurse fights? Always a pleasure!


16.) 08 Jan 2018 04:55:52
It's not a rumor! It's your suggestion. Lol
And it's terrible! Nurse isn't available.


17.) 08 Jan 2018 05:06:05
When I commented 5/ 6 McJ, Keyhabs, Pavalec, Flamers and me said this was bad. You and Nylander said is was believable. Sorry, that's 5/ 7 if you include yourself.
5 out of 7 comments at that point said its bad for Edm.

They are decent players, I never said they weren't.
But the Oilers aren't making Nurse available for them. Chierelli would be run out of town instantly for it.


18.) 08 Jan 2018 05:58:15
Read McJ’s original reply again. You like to pick and choose what to read. You call keyhabs delusional on a regular basis but now he’s credible? No offence to him. Anyways, I thought it would help both teams. It’s not like I offered two grizzled veterans. Gardiner puts up respectable #’s every year and Kapanen has shown he can play. Both are young, smooth skaters. Your comment about keeping Kapanen if he’s so good shows you don’t have a clue. Teams trade from a position of strength. Just curious what you think they should do? Go for another 1st overall? There may only be one player on that team not available when Chiarelli is run out of town.


19.) 08 Jan 2018 12:21:20
The proposition is terrible? Well so are the Oilers this year. Every team, when in a state of freefall, will tend to make trades that do not bode well for themselves,

They clearly aren't winning with this core @yup. I haven't seen anyone say Nurse is an immovable asset. Aren't your top two dman Larsson and Klefbom? Why is Nurse so immovable, especially considering the team needs offensive dmen like Gardiner, and skilled forwards like Kapanen. Come on. Nurse isn't a top dman, and he isn't going to be. he's a top4 dman, and honestly, the 2nd deal is pretty fair.

The Oilers need to shakeup. You can't just keep saying no to every Oilers trade.


20.) 08 Jan 2018 14:53:02
Actually Nurse and Larsson I would say are out 1-2, when considering who is available or not. Nurse is 22 and showing signs this year now of becoming what we hope he will. I would say Klefbom is available tho, but in a package with a equal or better RHD coming back not this stuff proposed by Leafs17. Nurse is considered part of the core. I agree we need a shake up, But it's not going to be Nurse. Lol.

No, no these deals aren't fair and they don't make the Oilers better. They aren't giving away 22 year old nurse who is improving big time this year for those pieces. I would say maybe to Klefbom because I think he could be made available, not nurse, for this.
I wouldn't trade Klefbom for this stuff either tbo. Would be in a deal for a better return.


21.) 08 Jan 2018 19:57:23
That’s a more reasonable explanation yup. If you didn’t come out like it was the worst trade suggestion in NHL history, we’d all have some respect for you. Not that you care about that anyways but I was trying to help both our teams needs. Looking back, I think my first proposal should have been Kapanen and a 1st instead for Nurse. The second proposal I still think is fair and so do others. I guess that’s why you and I are not GM’s.


22.) 09 Jan 2018 15:05:52
Oilers say no, gardiners a plug. if kapanen is so great, keep him.


 

 

02 Dec 2017 09:07:50
Kane to Edmonton for a 1st (lottery protected). Edmonton needs scoring.

Giroux to Montreal for Galchenyuk, Scherbak & Plekanec. Philly can let Plekanec walk and have cap space and a couple young forwards. Montreal must go all in while Price is in his prime.

Iginla signs in Calgary, just cause

Toronto gets a 3-4 RH d man for Kapanen and a 1st. Leafs don't lose Marner or Nylander and wait for Liljegren to develop. Maybe Tanev, Stone, Braun, Ceci, Schenn, McQuaid, Bogasian? I don't know if any of these guys are available but just a thought.

Leafs17

1.) 02 Dec 2017 11:01:20
I would do Kapanen and a first for Ceci, don't think that Dorion would however. Sadly.


2.) 02 Dec 2017 15:32:13
I don’t think Chucky should be traded.


3.) 02 Dec 2017 17:11:14
what kane? would help if you said what team. if chicago, not even close, if buffalo a bit much.


4.) 02 Dec 2017 18:28:46
Clearly he didn’t mean patty kane but no way I’d give up a 1st for Evander especially since he’s UFA.


5.) 02 Dec 2017 19:06:23
I put Kapanen and a 1st as the trade bait coming from Toronto. All those defense listed have different value and some couldn’t get both from Toronto. Maybe just Kapanen or just the 1st could land one of these guys if their team was out of contention.


6.) 02 Dec 2017 19:15:23
Sorry PKane88, I definitely didn’t mean your buddy.


7.) 03 Dec 2017 10:15:21
If Hanzel and Ladd can get a 1st + as UFA to be at deadline then E. Kane will get more than just a 1st.


8.) 03 Dec 2017 10:15:54
I would give just a 1st for Neal or E. Kane any day of the week.


 

 

 

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07 Apr 2018 22:28:27
What do you guys think about how the SPHL do their playoffs? The nhl has been talking about it recently. Apparently this is also the league that the nhl took the 3 on 3 overtime from. Teams 1-4 choose who they play from 5-8. Team 1 obviously getting first choice of who they want to play from teams 5-8. I think it's a great idea. Either that or the nhl needs to go back to the standard 1 plays 8 and so on.

Leafs17

1.) 08 Apr 2018 09:44:11
Yeah go back to the old 1 plays 8 th format.


2.) 08 Apr 2018 18:01:07
1 through 8. best way.


3.) 09 Apr 2018 03:05:48
I find it funny that a lot of leafs fans I've talked to are saying the format is unfair now because we are finishing with 105pts and have to play Tampa or Boston. Last year habs won the division and had to play the rangers who only had a point less than them and we didn’t care or feel sorry for them lol I agree there’s better formats, but fans hate rules when it directly affects their team rather than for the good of the league as a whole.


4.) 10 Apr 2018 05:05:32
I was just asking what you thought of that format Jim. The 1-8 format is also much easier to follow and they don’t need to focus so much on division rivalry. I really don’t care who Toronto plays.


5.) 10 Apr 2018 16:10:42
Leafs17. I wasn’t meaning it at you, I’m talking friends of mine I talk to. I agree it should go back to the 1 vs 8 like you said. I play hockey with a few habs fans and last year they were pissed with the format, and with good reason, and the leaf fans I know didn’t say a thing because we snuck in on the last day and had to play the presidents trophy winner, same way it would have been in 1 vs 8 format. Now this year we are more in the habs shoes last year and my leafs fan friends are upset by it.


6.) 10 Apr 2018 23:58:35
I do think the format where 1-4 choose their opponent is quite interesting though. You’re not always going to choose the lowest seed but what team you “think” is a better match up for your team. It could create new found rivalries.


7.) 11 Apr 2018 23:53:42
For sure. Some teams just have other teams number that they would wanna avoid. Like penguins being a low seed would still probably be avoided.


 

 

29 Mar 2018 04:10:05
I sure hope the leafs can bring back Bozak & JVR. The depth at center after Matthews and Kadri is thin and Bozak could probably be had for a reasonable price. Although JVR can be invisible at times, there's no denying his scoring abilities. As much as I like Komarov, I don't see him in the picture next year. Unless they package Brown with a couple other assets to acquire a defenseman, maybe Komarov can stay.

Leafs17

1.) 29 Mar 2018 14:56:42
JVR is really making a case in the last cpl months that he deserves a big raise from his 4.25. Probably could get near 7 mill on a long term deal which leafs just can’t do. If he really wants to stay and takes a big discount from that, then it’s possible, but don’t see it as likely. Bozak on the other hand won’t be getting a big raise from him 4.2 mill. He’s been here since he left college and started his family here. I could see him wanting to stay, knowing that his days of being a top lone centre with kessel are long behind him and being a third liner behind Matthews and Kadri. 3 years at 3.5-4 mill might get it done.


2.) 29 Mar 2018 21:58:26
Bozak should stay 100%. If he comes at less than 4 million tbh, which he should, considering that he isn't a name brand commodity, i'd take him back for sure. If he wants 3.5x3 years i'd do it tbh. Maybe its nostalgia on my part, but I really can't picture him in another jersey, and I do think that out of the three (Leo, JVR, Bozak) he'd be the one most likely to stay, considering he's been here the longest out of them three, and might i add, is the longest tenured leaf (9 years) . I'm sure he'd wanna win with this team too: he's gone through so much hard times w Wilson and Carlyle he's deserving of it.

And 3.5 million for 40 points a year is not bad at all tbh. he's consistent too, which is super good. And if he really dips in production, his contract wouldn't be unmovable (if he takes 3.5x3)


3.) 29 Mar 2018 23:21:25
Think he’ll sign for that short of term though? Think Bonino contract would be a comparable? 4x4 I think it was.


4.) 30 Mar 2018 01:27:40
@Ebs, he may have other suitors offering more. It all depends what he wants. I can’t see Toronto willing to pay him what another team would. He would still be the second best option at centre on a few teams and therefore they would pay him more. Here he is definitely behind Matthews and Kadri, babcock has said he sees Nylander as a centre in the near future (I kinda hope they keep him with Matthews) and marleau is a very capable centre of they needed him. Plus they have a cpl younger options. So leafs are not desperate enough to beg him to stay, but I agree with TSS, 3x3.5 would be good. Especially if they point to Kadri who has the task of playing against all the top lines and back to back 30+ goal years at 4.5mill.


5.) 30 Mar 2018 17:03:20
Good points guys. If JVR does not come back, Nylander must stay on the wing IMO. They can’t lose both of their scoring from the wing. I think Kapanen will do a decent job filling in some scoring if JVR does not come back. Bozak is a valuable piece and a very solid 3rd line center. I’m holding out hope JVR will take a 3 year home town discount to see if he can help win a cup.


6.) 03 Apr 2018 22:57:59
JVR could take less money for long term as a discount or more money on less term, but thinking a guy having his best season of his career leading into UFA will take a discount and a shorter term just isn’t realistic. Fair is probably 6.5 mill x 6years.

Maybe he takes 5 - 5.5 mill if you go 7 or 8 years, or maybe he takes 7-7.5 mill on a 4-5 year term. But I’m almost 100% certain he won’t be back for less than 5 years AND less than 6 million.


 

 

11 Mar 2018 22:15:18
So are they going to fix the goaltender interference rule before the playoffs? The one in last nights leaf game was a horrible call IMO. It can't be reviewed because a penalty was called on the play is also horrible. They could've reviewed it and seen that he wasn't trying to bump the goalie and he was helped into Andersen by Hainsey. The calls go both ways with every team but these calls are ruining games. From what the analysts say, nobody knows what the rule is. Why does there have to be a rule? If there is goalie contact on a goal, it should be automatically reviewed and left in the hands of the refs. I don't see why it can't be a judgement call on their part. If they feel the player intentionally bumps the goalie and didn't allow him to make a save, no goal. Last nights goal should've been reviewed automatically whether a penalty was called or not. The call was no goal on the ice so there would still have to be enough for them to see that it was accidental contact. This would've resulted in a good goal and no penalty on the play. Am I missing something to the rule?

Leafs17

1.) 12 Mar 2018 04:22:29
The one thing I've been saying the last year or so about this is that in my opinion I would have the few guys in the Toronto "war room" making every call with regards to goalie interference. Right now there is about 40 different refs that seem to be calling it different every time. There's no constancy. If you have the same one or two people calling every situation then maybe there would be some consistency. That's the only way I see it being "fixed" it is painful lately tho.
Or what about this, I don't care for it too much but it would fix it? like international play, Play is blown dead as soon as a player enters the paint. That will never happen but it's kinda worth mentioning.


2.) 12 Mar 2018 13:50:04
That’s a good idea yup about the “war room”. I think that even if a penalty is called it should be reviewed and the penalty can be over turned also. I don’t have a problem with guys in the blue paint as long as they don’t interfere with the goalie. Sometimes they are pushed into the blue paint, which defenseman would do all the time if it got a whistle.


3.) 12 Mar 2018 14:34:10
Yeah, having the war room make the final call on a review is the best way to get consistency. As it stands, you’re asking a coaching staff the bet their only time out of the game on a referee admitting he was wrong on national TV and in front of 20,000 love fans. Not a good enough gamble. It should be, like Yup said, the same handful of guys making every single call. Then they would quickly get comparables to every situation (guys getting pushed in, guys tying up a goalies stick, jamming a pad over the line etc) and it becomes a text book. Just refer to the last 3 or 4 that were a similar situation.


4.) 12 Mar 2018 14:39:03
Well then that would be a delay of game penalty, Same idea as shooting the puck over the glass in defensive zone to get a whistle.
But like I said, I don't think they will go that far. That's a little too drastic. But they do need some consistency in this goalie interference drama. And in my opinion they need one or two guys calling every situation.


5.) 12 Mar 2018 14:43:13
The war room has been a joke on several occasions this year too. Probably close to as bad as the refs. But I guess if the same few people were making the call night in and night out and they were actually qualified unlike the people who are there some nights it might help.


6.) 12 Mar 2018 18:12:55
It can’t be that difficult to get this situation resolved. It would be awful to see a playoff game decided by this.


7.) 12 Mar 2018 18:39:18
I agree leafs17 but it shouldn't even be an issue as long as it has been. flashbacks of buffalo/ Dallas run through my mind.


8.) 12 Mar 2018 22:51:48
When has the war room been a joke? You know they don’t make the calls, right? All they do is advise and they don’t have the ability to overturn or uphold a call, that’s on the ref. So you or anyone else watching knows what the war room said to the refs and what made the ref keep or overturn his call.


9.) 13 Mar 2018 03:54:56
There is consistency. All call go againt Edmonton. Lol. Sorry cheap shot but it really seemed that way this year.


10.) 13 Mar 2018 23:30:09
So jim why do they call them in the first place? Are the refs that incompetent that they need the war room to explain the rules to them? I'm sure they could just hand an iPad to the refs and let them see the replays if this were the case. but it's not the case is it jim? The war room is contacted for a reason and they have just as much say in the final decision as anyone else. they can give there opinion on a play and sway the refs decision.


 

 

03 Mar 2018 23:00:06
I'm not sure if this has been suggested before but what about a deal with Price & Tavares being the main pieces? It may be far fetched but some type of sign and trade to lock Tavares up for years to come. NY has the worst goaltending in the league and Montreal needs a #1 center. Anyone have any suggestions of a way that this could work?

Leafs17

1.) 03 Mar 2018 23:29:20
Love the idea leafs17 not sure if either team would go along with it though.


2.) 03 Mar 2018 23:49:05
I really don’t know how to value these players. Obviously goalies are crucial to a teams success. I’m sure Price will bounce back to form but his injuries are a concern. I would think Tavares holds much more value but I could be wrong.


3.) 04 Mar 2018 00:55:42
I would say how the other goalies for montreal have played in his absence he shouldn't hold much value at all. if he hadn't played at all this year habs would easily be in the playoffs as far as I'm concerned.


4.) 04 Mar 2018 04:06:44
Habby, stop picking on habs players please. Price is an all world goalie. Stop hating.

Also if you think price is the only reason habs aren’t a good team and in the playoffs, well, that tells everyone a lot about your thought process lol.


5.) 04 Mar 2018 10:31:39
Jim watch a habs game and then give your opinion. Google the numbers with him playing and compare them to the other goalies. we all know how good you are at using google shouldn't be hard to find.


6.) 04 Mar 2018 10:29:52
Wrong. Price has lost value since he's the best goalie in the work and not a ufa like Tavares.


7.) 04 Mar 2018 22:17:36
A lot of times team defence changes based on who’s in the net too. Guys have more confidence when certain guys play. I haven’t watched every game and I know his numbers weren’t up to his standard at all, but if he’s the only reason you think they aren’t a playoff team, I think that’s crazy.

I’d say they aren’t in playoff picture because goaltending wasn’t good enough, because their captain and best player pacioretty is on pace for his lowest offensive season since 2009/ 10, the 2 next best offensive weapons on the team, drouin and galchenyuk, barely put up a point per game combined (72 pts through 65 GP), a 25th ranked PK and 28th in the the league in goals for.

Not an excuse for price, but he is obviously not the only reason habs don’t make the playoffs. He can’t score goals too. Unless you think all the offence should be allowed to dry up from the best players and the goalies should be on the hook to keep the puck out.


8.) 04 Mar 2018 22:32:02
Harder to score goals when your playing from behind all the time. This goaltending would have resulted in more goals for as we'll cause they would have held the fort long enough for the offense to contribute instead of being out of games halfway through the first period due to hortible goaltending.


9.) 05 Mar 2018 01:22:53
I hope for the sake of carry price that he does get traded. If a team like the jets wanted to go all in and make a trade for him they’d be intant cup favourites! Montreal fans are absolutely ridiculous when it comes to loyalty to its players! I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, price was lights out the last handful of seasons of course besides the current season and if he had a actual team in front of him he’d be the goat! as a price fan there’s nothing I’d like to see more than a repeat of what they did to Roy. Habs don’t deserve him. Last time I checked it’s a team game and if you think it’s hard to win/ score when playing from behind it’s even harder to win impossible I hear to win when you can’t score goals or play any sort of defence.


10.) 05 Mar 2018 02:32:09
Defence looks pretty good lately mertle. loyalty means nothing these days so if the players don't care about loyalty then why should the fans? On top of that I'm the only hab fan saying price should be traded so you don't need to lump all hab fans on here in that category. i said after kreider ran price in the playoffs a few years ago the first chance they got they should have traded him and I been saying it ever since. after an AHL calibre goalie came in and played the rest of that series almost as good as price was playing that was enough for me. now we are seeing another ahl goalie and a waiver pickup out playing him. Every time he gets bumped in the crease I assume he's going to be injured and if he came back next year and lead the habs to the cup I'd still say to trade him . But that's just me you or anyone else don't have to like it.


11.) 05 Mar 2018 02:32:42
Plus the jets should be just fine without him they have a good enough goalie.


12.) 05 Mar 2018 03:17:21
Not me Mertle . I want him to retire a Hab! The only reason i'd ever want to see him leave, is for a cup.


13.) 05 Mar 2018 03:45:43
Habby, you accused me of picking on pacioretty for days and for being biased, I would assume that means you feel your assessment of him is accurate. But now you are making excuses for him and everyone else on the team for a lacklustre season by throwing price under the bus as the ONLY reason your teams not in the playoffs. You’re officially an idiot instead of a passionate fan. Price is the best player, in any position, to play for that team since Patrick Roy. Top 3 offensive weapons are having bad seasons and you still can’t admit that, instead you blame the entire season on a goalie battling injury problems. No wonder the team is bad, there’s zero accountability. Management, to coaches to fans just blame their failures on injured players instead of the poor play of the players who are actually on the ice. What a joke.


14.) 05 Mar 2018 03:53:42
I’m sorry, I just don’t like when players that have given everything they have to a team and get thrown under the bus after going through a slump. It’d be like saying taveres is the reason the islanders haven’t won a cup since he’s been there. just not fair to a player or a person in general to get rubbish on when they aren’t the best day in and day out.
Also I’m quite aware that the jets wouldn’t go after price I just wanted to use them as a example as a team that plays like a team how dominant they’d be with a goalie of careys caliber (not to say hellybuk isn’t good or isn’t going to get better) . Sosa I’m glad to see someone who actually shows loyalty to a guy that’s been the backbone of s mediocre team, give credit where it’s due and without Carey in prior years I have a hard time believing there would have been any playoffs for the Habs. I’m in the same boat as you, I’d
Love to see him win a conn smyth somewhere other than Montreal.


15.) 05 Mar 2018 05:00:54
Jim I'm talking about a player on my team unlike you who just talks about other teams players there lies the difference. But to explain my point even further seeing as though you must love to read my comments jim. It's not that I don't like price or don't think he's a good goalie but he sucked this year plain and simple. Was there a reason for it? I'm sure there was probably several. But that don't make up for the fact he's damaged goods IMO and they can sit back like they did with saku koivu and watch one of the best players in the league for a year slowly turn into a 3 rd line center because of constant injuries and ailments or they if they get the chance which I doubt they will, trade him. My vote is on the latter and I stick by it. Because if there Is a chance of moving him now I seriously doubt it will be there in a year or two.


16.) 05 Mar 2018 13:05:38
I’m not against trying to trade the guy away with that contract. It could make sense. It’s just brutal to come right out and say he is the ONLY reason that they don’t make the playoffs. 4-5 top players on that team didn’t meet expectations and have a good season. They all share blame. When the guy that’s been the start and carries that team to the playoffs multiple times by standing on his head when the team couldn't score, maybe when he struggles the forwards, especially the leaders like patches should feel it’s their responsibility to pick up the slack and try to bail him like he has bailed them out for 5 years, rather than using it as an excuse again.

Also I have talked about leafs players. I’ve said multiple times that JVR is a defensive liability, very one dimensional, Great within 20 feet of the opponents net and next to useless anywhere else on the ice. I’d say that’s comparable to saying patches is a really good sniper but doesn’t do a lot else. And when ranking the 3 we were talking about at the time I said simmonds>patches>JVR because JVR is even softer than patches.


17.) 05 Mar 2018 16:48:01
There you go again I never said price was the only reason. I said if he didn't play at all this year they would be in the playoffs which means a variety of things. The players appear to have much more confidence playing in front of niemi and lindgren it seems. or at least they try harder so this would lead possibly to a little more scoring and without a doubt more wins. several things could be going on there the one I'm leaning toward is because of prices injury history the players don't play the same in front of him as they did in previous years. every time he gets bumped he's injured and this plays on everyone's mind. so what's the solution trade everyone other then price and leave him in net until he's crippled to the point you have to carry him out and lay him down in the crease?


18.) 05 Mar 2018 17:47:22
You’re solution was probably the right one 18-24 months ago if that’s how you felt. Trade price for a massive package and rebuild. But once the Weber for subban and sergachev for drouin (to a lesser degree because drouin is still young too) trades happened, coupled with trading for and signing shaw, and signing alzner, they have made a commitment to guys in their late 20s and 30s over youth and identified themselves as a win now, or win soon team rather than being patient. Now if they want to reverse that, it’s a long road back and trading the best player but not doing a full flip of the roster does nothing but keeps them mediocre.


19.) 05 Mar 2018 18:19:57
I've been saying rebuild since they lost to the rangers. This is nothing new from me. i expect patches to be traded along with a couple others anyway. Having a few veterans on the team doesn't signify you can't rebuild. it doesn't hurt to have those guys to help the younger guys. leafs have signed martin hainsey and marleau during there rebuild. players like droin gallahger galchenyuk mete juulsen lehkonen hudon are all young enough to be around for a rebuild. But my opinion is if the habs unloaded some of the older guys who are easily replaced and handed the reigns to some of the younger guys the team would be better off anyway. Doesn't need to be a total rebuild just a culture change.


20.) 05 Mar 2018 18:30:26
An example of this happened at the deadline when they traded plekanec. Daneult can easily replace him for cheaper as the teams 3rd line center. But because of stupidity or what some call loyalty they will probably resign plekanec to a 2 year 8mil deal this summer and bring him back. they will have 2 3rd line centers and still not have a 1st. they have arguably the best goaltending depth in the league with lindgren mcniven hawkey and most of all cayden primeau all showing promise. But yet they are building around a 10.5 mil crippled goaltender. Plekanec 4 mil and prices 10.5 is 14.5 mil you think if they offer tavares that he doesn't snatch it up. There's your 1st line center.


21.) 05 Mar 2018 18:35:59
That's not necessarily the route I would take personally just an example. They say 1st line centers are not availible but it gets to the point where your not getting them cause your resources are tied up in others because of this loyalty thing again. they won't trade price because of loyalty I mean what else is keeping him there? There was no talk of trading patch till he had a down year this year now it's been front page news since before Christmas have he not given his all the last 5 years? how come no talk of price being traded? It's one of two reasons loyalty or nobody else wants him .


22.) 05 Mar 2018 19:33:13
Just to be clear when I said lost to the rangers I meant the year they lost to them in the conference finals not last year.


23.) 05 Mar 2018 09:05:22
You’re right with leafs having martin and Marleau and Hainsey around as mentors and veterans through a rebuild, the difference is tho that 2 of those guys are cheap and only signed for another year and two respectively.

Marleau isn’t cheap, but only has 2 years after this and is still putting up good numbers along with being a leader and example. I think shea Weber is probably the best leader and example for youth of how to be a leader and a pro anywhere in the league, problem is it’s only a matter of time before his on ice game slips and then it’s a long time of paying a guy 7.5 mill to be an assistant coach out there.

Like you said, having veterans doesn’t mean you can’t rebuild, but having guys taking up that kinda cap space for that many years is not a good thing at this point. You can find great character/ leader/ examples every July 1st for 3 mill or less on 1, 2 or 3 year terms. But what’s done is done, MB put them in a hole. I’d be scared as a fan if Molson's thinks he’s the guy to lead them out of that same hole.


24.) 06 Mar 2018 12:32:38
How did habs-4 get credit for my comment? Haha one of them is a GM, one is a former player and one is a ghost hacker LOL.


25.) 06 Mar 2018 15:31:33
And the other poster is a know it all jim. What's your point?


26.) 06 Mar 2018 15:40:49
@ habs4cup I'm not concerned about weber the guy played on one foot for 20 some games this year and still looked like a top defenseman. with the cap going up in 4 years when he starts to decline his cap hit won't look near as bad. if he gets that bad habs can probably do like the leafs done with lupol or he will retire and Nashville will be on the hook for the remainder of his contract. i would agree though about the other big long term contract on the team. we don't need to pay 10.5 a year for a beat up goalie when we have guys coming through the system that can do the job.


27.) 07 Mar 2018 17:35:41
I think you missed what happened there. That post is what I wrote, but it says it’s from Habs4Cup lol you’re replying to someone who didn’t write that. I did.


28.) 07 Mar 2018 17:36:25
For some reason it just says that he/ she did.


29.) 07 Mar 2018 19:03:16
Lol maybe the administrator knows how much you love the habs so he changed yor name.


 

 

26 Feb 2018 23:50:23
Can we stop talking about Karlsson, at least until June?

Leafs17

1.) 27 Feb 2018 00:56:04
Yes please.


2.) 27 Feb 2018 01:39:57
Yes please! . I'm down with that.


3.) 27 Feb 2018 03:53:09
Ya but then If he's still there the rumours will start again.


4.) 27 Feb 2018 11:06:38
He’ll be there Alpaca and we’ll do this all over again. I hope Karlsson gets traded in a deal for Pacioretty. Then we can stop talking about both of them. I see on the rumours page someone has already started more Karlsson proposals.


5.) 27 Feb 2018 13:24:52
You're asking for too much. Lol. Don't hold your breathe. It will continue until he signs or is traded.


 

 

 

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05 May 2018 11:55:55
I’d take Marner over Nylander. He looks real good for a 4th liner.

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28 Apr 2018 21:31:44
I like it. Jenner is a nice addition since Toronto lacks size and center depth. I don’t know a lot about Savard but I do know he’s more defensively responsible than Gardiner. Cole would be a nice addition as well. I like that your not trying to trade Nylander or Liljegren. The leafs draft a RH defenseman first round and people want to trade him. Let’s see how he develops before trading core players.

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28 Apr 2018 01:34:43
@triplets You’re right they won’t be going anywhere next year with minimal changes. However, they were a period away from beating one of the top teams in the league. I just think the leafs should be patient for one more year and make a serious push for Doughty. Gardiner’s contract will be up, maybe they let him walk and Dermott slides into the top 4. I really don’t know if they can afford Doughty after signing Matthews and Marner. If they could fit him in without trading a young stud, they will be contenders.

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27 Apr 2018 20:29:43
I know Maroon liked his time in Edmonton but this is a business. Do they bring back another big, physical winger or go with players that can skate? Komarov coming back is a long shot, especially because he is not a natural center which they lack. I just like him and was hoping to see him back. Still might need a 4th line center. McJ I don’t know what it will take to sign Nylander. Pastrnak is $6.6 and he is better than Nylander.

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27 Apr 2018 07:05:52
Also sign Maroon, JVR walks. I think teams need a good balance of speed and grit.

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I think that was a terrible deal by the lightning. Gudas, a 1st & 3rd for a 30 year old average d man. They could have had Polak for Gudas alone. Polak was the 1st name that I could think of, but there had to have been better options for cheaper. Personally, I hope the leafs keep Polak.

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Thanks

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@steamer do you understand that it doesn't go against Toronto's cap? Big difference. The owners are paying, they owe us one. They'll probably raise ticket prices to get their money back.

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That's Toronto for you. I think they should have waited too

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Not really

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