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23 Feb 2019 04:48:30
Kadri out with a concussion? Gardiner not at practice for a maintenance day? I say fake news, lol. I'm going to go with a different idea

Kadri/Gardiner for Ferland/Pesce.

Toronto has been linked to both of these players. Ferland brings in the physical presence and Pesce is a good RD on a reasonable contract. It's a small sample but it looks like Nylander is capable of playing center at the NHL level, if necessary.
Carolina could use center depth. Staal is not all that anymore and he's injured. Gardiner would be an offensive boost from the point.
It has been said that it has to be a money in, money out deal for the leafs. Ferland has a smaller cap hit than Gardiner and they're both UFA's. Kadri/Pesce would be the main pieces for both teams, both on similar contracts for years to come.


1.) 23 Feb 2019 05:28:07
Tavares/ Marner/ Hyman
Matthews/ Kapanen/ Johnsson
Nylander/ Ferland/ Marleau
Gauthier/ Brown/ Lindholm
Pesce/ Reilly
Zaitsev/ Muzzin
Hainsey/ Dermott.

2.) 23 Feb 2019 16:30:14
The only way I’d make that trade from a leafs POV is if they took Zaitsev. I believe Gardiner holds more value then Ferland And Kadri has more value then pesce also that leaves a huge hole at the 3rd line C position.

3.) 23 Feb 2019 16:46:01
How are we in a position where we are arguing both that Gardiner is a detriment to a team AND that he has more value than the top 2 way forward currently on the market?

4.) 23 Feb 2019 19:19:42
Gardiner is Toronto’s 2nd/ 3rd best dman as a dman he is out producing Ferland. 51 points as a deffensman is Elite.

5.) 23 Feb 2019 21:51:55
Ferland is not a C.

6.) 23 Feb 2019 21:49:54
Vbb’s he got 52 points once and is on pace for 40. Not too bad at all but Gardiner is not elite.

7.) 23 Feb 2019 22:13:52
If Nylander plays 3C vbb’s, the leafs still look pretty good.

8.) 23 Feb 2019 22:30:29
I'd rather keep Kadri if I was a Leafs fan.

9.) 23 Feb 2019 23:19:44
If you’re talking to me triplets, I put the Center first. Marner and Kapanen are not center either but Tavares and Matthews are.

10.) 24 Feb 2019 20:38:31
Just saw the third line lol, sorry. Curious: Why would you put the C first? Never seen that.

11.) 25 Feb 2019 05:06:23
I don’t know. It’s the centers line, so I put him first. When you’re talking about a line you would say Matthews line.



24 Jan 2019 05:50:17
Anaheim is 30th in the league in scoring and the injuries continue. The leafs are in need of a RH, stay home defenseman.

Kapanen for Manson

Anaheim gets a 22 year old winger with speed & skill. This also gives Anaheim more money this season to add at the deadline.
Toronto gets a 27 year old, physical RH defenseman. He is on a reasonable contract for the next 4 years as well.
I think this is a fair trade one for one. RH defenseman are at a premium but the age difference evens that out. Maybe a small tweak is necessary.


1.) 24 Jan 2019 11:09:12
Age difference does not even that out lol. Kapanen can be included in a package to get Manson but not straight up, comon. he's a 22 year old winger who's having a good season playing with some of the best young talents and veterans in the game. His value is similar to Arturi Lekonen. Add Johnson to the trade and a second rounder and I think its closer.

2.) 24 Jan 2019 12:26:27
Arturi Leckonen has nothing on Kappy.

3.) 24 Jan 2019 13:56:52
I don’t think the leafs add that much boom boom. Yes Kapanen is playing with talent, for the first time in his career. Guess what, every team has talent. I think Kapanen would do just fine with Getzlaf and Rakell too, or anywhere else for that matter. Manson is 5 years older, that’s a pretty big difference.

4.) 24 Jan 2019 15:50:29
I think it would be a fair trade. This is the kind of defenseman the leafs should expect in a Kapanen deal.

And to the “Arturi Lehkonen has nothing on Kappy”. sure he does, he has worse linemates. I’m not saying I don’t like Kapanen; but him and Lehkonen are similar in they way they don’t drive their lines, but can produce when put in a good situation.

5.) 24 Jan 2019 15:53:15
If Manson is traded for anything under a significant overpayment and the Leafs aren't the one to get him, that's a fail by Dubas. Big defensive RHD on a solid contract in his prime. If it costs Kapanen and Johnson or whatever they should do that deal without hesitation.

6.) 24 Jan 2019 16:25:41
Kapanen definitely gets the water brewing for Anaheim but they're needs to be good little pieces added to get a big RHD in his prime.

7.) 24 Jan 2019 17:15:13
Kappanen has Elite speed and can play in any situation he reminds me of Chris Kriender who I believe is a very underrated player in his own right.

8.) 24 Jan 2019 19:29:32
@vbbbb and like kreider he is really streaky and inconsistent. Lehkonen can also play in any situation and you may not admit it but he is better defensively then kapanen. So overall slight edge on offence for kap edge on defence for lehkonen overall they are pretty even at this point.



10 Jan 2019 04:26:59
Just a couple ideas to try and help both teams.

Toronto trades Brown to Edmonton for Kassian and a 2nd? They have similar cap hits, I added the pick from Edmonton because Brown is better and younger.
Toronto gets tougher, Edmonton gets a little deeper.


Toronto trades Kapanen to Edmonton for Kassian and Bear? Toronto gets tougher and another RD in their system. Edmonton gets a top 6 forward that could be real good with McDavid. I'm thinking Edmonton might have to add to this but I know Oiler fans really like Bear.

Are either of these fair value? I'd rather a Nylander/Nurse swap but I don't think that would ever happen.


1.) 10 Jan 2019 05:32:11
I personally wouldn’t include a 2nd to get brown, it would be a 3-4th round because like you said Toronto needs some grit and I don’t see brown worth that much.

2.) 10 Jan 2019 05:32:33
And Kassian and bear for Kapanen go right ahead.

3.) 10 Jan 2019 11:36:32
I wouldn't do the Kapanen deal to be honest. Kassian honestly has very low value, wouldn't trade away a guy on pace for 20/ 50 for him and Bear, even if Bear is highly regarded, aince he hasn't played much in the NHL. First trade i'm on board with, although, i don't think wed get a second.

4.) 10 Jan 2019 16:38:12
Thanks guys. I really don’t want to lose Kapanen and I don’t know a lot about Bear. I would like Kassian on Toronto though.

5.) 10 Jan 2019 20:52:55
Bear is former whl dman of the year and is a pp qb with an absolute cannon, shorter dman but with experience may be a competent offensive 3rd pairing dman.

6.) 11 Jan 2019 00:06:03
Thanks notdelusional. The leafs seem to like the little guys.

7.) 11 Jan 2019 04:27:48
Kapanen is a top six player. Looks like a perennial 20+ goal scorer. He is worth more than a depth forward and depth prospect. Kassian for Brown makes more sense.



30 Dec 2018 00:29:13
Seguin for Kotkaniemi, Alzner and a 1st?
I might be way off here but Montreal should go after Seguin while Weber & Price are still in their prime.
Montreal gets a #1 center and gives them a real good 1/2 down the middle. They also dump Alzner's contract.
Dallas gets a solid young center, 7 years younger than Seguin. They will also save $ once Seguin's new contract kicks in next year.


1.) 30 Dec 2018 01:22:15
No. not going to trade KK. I understand your logic behind the deal, the more I see of KK, the more I like.

2.) 30 Dec 2018 02:23:10
Price has been playing like trash if anything Dallas should go after Weber imo they have a better team just need better secondary scoring. They’re a good team that can’t put it together much like Saint Louis And Florida.

3.) 07 Jan 2019 16:43:49
No to Seguin. Should have stayed in Boston with Thorton.

4.) 07 Jan 2019 16:45:38
Why in would Habs want to deal with Dallas. They are going nowhere still dreaming of the Hull days twenty years later.



18 Nov 2018 23:50:42
Nylander for Bennett, Stone & 1st?
Calgary adds a top 6 forward and I don't think they have a need for Stone or his contract. Toronto gets some much needed grit who is also the same age as Nylander, a decent RD and a mid to late 1st probably. Calgary definitely gets the best player in the deal and rid themselves of Stone's contract but I think it also helps the leafs salary wise. Stone could be ok for a couple years until Liljegren or Sandin are ready. I know there are a lot of different views about Bennett on this site but I like the way he plays and I think he still has more potential.

Leafs also pick up Luke Schenn just because I love the guy and I don't want to see Marincin ever again.





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28 Feb 2019 04:23:09
Gardiner & Dermott out, I guess we haven't seen the end of Marincin like I was hoping, lol. The leafs are going to get burned spotting teams a goal or two and not showing up until the 2nd period. Unfortunately I missed this game but they were down 1-0 and getting out shot 13-2 when I checked in the first. This has been a pattern as of late and the top teams in the league will finish the job once ahead by a couple.


1.) 28 Feb 2019 05:10:03
You think sandin lillegren or Rosen will get a shot?

2.) 28 Feb 2019 08:50:38
I doubt Sandin or Liljegren but that would be nice to see. Rosen or maybe even Borgman? I don’t even know if Borgman is still around but he likes to throw the body at least. I think Babcock likes Marincin for some reason I can’t figure out.

3.) 28 Feb 2019 11:42:44
NAh, problem is, both Rosen and Borgman are inmured atm. Their first choice was probably Rosen tho, but obv he's unavailable, and I don’t think Dubas is willing to bring up the kids (Lily and Sandin) so early.



22 Feb 2019 03:47:24
E.Staal has to go back to Carolina for the playoff push.


1.) 22 Feb 2019 06:00:12
That's possible and interesting.



21 Feb 2019 00:52:53
I'm surprised Washington waived Smith-Pelly. A veteran that can skate and is physical. I think he had good playoffs too. I hope the leafs claim him.


1.) 21 Feb 2019 02:58:02
He can be damn lazy. I remember when Habs had him, was always expecting so much more.

2.) 21 Feb 2019 05:16:29
Yeah he plays 10 good games a year.

3.) 21 Feb 2019 06:04:28
But 7 clutch goals last playoffs, should count for something.

4.) 21 Feb 2019 13:04:15
His 7 goals counted last year. he had one good stretch of hockey in his career. I wouldn't count on DSP to be a goal scorer. however, since you can claim him off waivers, maybe it's worth adding him incase y have injury issues. jus not sure what his salary cap hit is.



13 Dec 2018 10:04:01
I really think Toronto should try and get Maroon now. There will be a few teams looking for a power forward come deadline day. I'd prefer Simmonds but I think philly will be asking for too much.
It's a start for a St.Louis shake up, maybe a young kid can step up in his place.
For Toronto, they obviously need some grit. If given a chance to play in the top 6, Maroon could get back on track. Maybe he resigns? I think Maroon will fetch a 1st from a contender, maybe not.


Gives Toronto many combinations. With Marner being such a good play maker, I put him with Maroon and sent Hyman back to his line from last year with Matthews and Nylander. Just my thoughts.


1.) 13 Dec 2018 11:55:52
I wouldn't give up a 1st for maroon.

2.) 13 Dec 2018 12:38:59
He has a NTC on this one year deal because he wanted to play in home town STL where his girl and kid live. He's super close to his 13/ 14 year old son Anthony and they are best of buds. He loves being close to home.
With that said, you would just have to hope he would want to leave that for Toronto. Not saying he wouldn't.
I don't think he having any of a noticeably good year to fetch a 1st tho. STL would gladly take one for him if you're offering tho! 1G 7A in 23GP.

3.) 13 Dec 2018 13:11:34
Yeah, he took less money to get the NTC so he could be a hometown Blue. It’s possoble it hasn’t been what he thought it was going to be with all the losing and negativity and would welcome a move out, but I wouldn’t pay that 1st for him. I’d rather add a prospect to that 1st for Simmonds or spend the 1st on a rental D who would have a bigger impact for us.

4.) 13 Dec 2018 13:20:17
I like that you guys don’t think it would take a 1st, Pinball said the same the other day. I know it’s his home town and he’s having an off year, but the forward group in Toronto is much more talented. I know what you mean yupp about his kids but tell me one nhl player that is not super close with their kids and would love to be close to home. I’m sure he was hoping for a more successful season for himself and the team, maybe he’d waive for a few months to see what happens in Toronto. I’d do a 2nd in a heart beat to have a physical presence and a guy that we’ve seen bury some goals.

5.) 13 Dec 2018 15:12:07
Actually he has a no trade clause till December then he can name right teams to go to. I am sure he would like to go to contender. He won't be back in stl. Just hasn't worked out.

6.) 13 Dec 2018 20:56:03
He has a NTC till January 31st. So feb 1st he submits a list of 8 teams he won’t go to, not 8 he will go to. So they have 22 options to trade him to.



27 Nov 2018 23:29:05
@thermo. Is that c sucking American prick really coming back to the lineup or is he still out for a few more months? You told us you knew someone that said Matthews will be out 4-5 months, not weeks.


1.) 28 Nov 2018 03:41:45
It was obvious he was full of it at the time lol.

2.) 28 Nov 2018 04:06:56
Not sure who this Thermo is. but I also heard Yankee Doodle going to ride on his pony pretty damn soon.

3.) 28 Nov 2018 04:11:44
However, if I was his coach, GM or whatever, I'd be pissed . I'd tell him, shut up. , your no Dr, they clear ya. not you. if he doesn't play next game, will become a controversy that he doesn't trust the medical staff ect.

4.) 28 Nov 2018 09:37:29
Wtf Sosa? Not everything is a conspiracy.

5.) 28 Nov 2018 13:07:40
@Leafs17. Yes it is, JFK shooting, World Trade Center was an inside job and Auston Matthews. 3 biggest conspiracies in history.

6.) 28 Nov 2018 13:09:13
Didnt say it was a conspiracy. its jus players shouldn't announce they are fit for duty. the team Dr does that. Mathews acting high and mighty. putting himself before the team. Even made Babcock look stupid., he didn't know. kid needs to keep his mouth shut. they should trade him, to his hometown team and let him rot down there.

7.) 28 Nov 2018 13:38:17
There’s no conspiracy or controversy. They wanted him in one full contact practice before he plays, that was yesterday. If he doesn’t play tonight, no problem we will see him Saturday. If he does, great lol and the envy and need to have him out of your division makes it all sweeter.

8.) 28 Nov 2018 13:52:46
Also if you have listened to his coach at all talk about injured players, he’s the guy that says “should be fine to play, don’t know what the Dr is saying but looks good enough to me” lol so I don’t expect that guy to give Matthews a hard time for saying “I’ll be back tomorrow”.

9.) 28 Nov 2018 16:23:22
Babcock just said he’s cleared and playing tonight, you can quit worrying for us Sosa, we appreciate your concern lol.

10.) 28 Nov 2018 18:01:52
Your welcome Jim. congrats on getting Yankee Doodle back.

11.) 28 Nov 2018 20:56:12
Are you going back to work soon Sosa?

12.) 28 Nov 2018 21:31:46
Lol. December 19th. haha.

13.) 28 Nov 2018 21:58:31
Mall Santa?!

14.) 28 Nov 2018 23:48:51
Hm. not a bad idea Jim. unfortunately lol town I work in. no mall. And to damn cold to be outside. lol.

15.) 29 Nov 2018 02:45:50
And . Jim your wife could sit on my lap lol.

16.) 29 Nov 2018 04:29:59
Actually not married, but I assume you saw Matthews stat line tonight, so I understand your bitterness 😉.

17.) 29 Nov 2018 05:51:24
In his defence jim he posted that before the game. You must have a girlfriend or have just got out of a long term relationship cause you don't develop the arguing skills you have by being single lol.

18.) 29 Nov 2018 13:01:12
I don’t argue with my girlfriend. She knows she’d lose. I Was just born stubborn.

19.) 30 Nov 2018 09:02:01
Good for u Sosa on your recovery. Hopefully it keeps progressing.
Just by curiosity what do u do for work.

20.) 01 Dec 2018 17:33:40
Heavy Equipment Operator.




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25 Mar 2019 03:21:45
Come up with your own name for me McJ, yupp already calls me that. Do to think the hahahah oh man was referring to it being way too much for Parayko? I doubt it. Most of us don’t need a full paragraph to understand what someone is saying. Get your head out of your a** McJ. It is decent value like the original poster thought, Mike and myself. Delusional does not see value in leaf players which is what I was getting at. If you Oiler fans are going to resort to name calling, maybe you should find a site where you can call each other names and talk about how much value Oiler players have.




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24 Mar 2019 18:10:55
He’s an oilers fan, that’s the problem. Rieder and Bear for Parayko would be a better return in his eyes. NotDelusional2, are you FairTrade4All or would you even admitnit if you were?




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01 Mar 2019 20:23:54
There was a couple people last year calling Marner a 4th liner last year because he was demoted for a week or two. Not looking much like a 4th liner now. Kadri is #2 center on many teams in the nhl.




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26 Feb 2019 06:22:08
I really don’t know a lot about Petan Joe. I don’t think he’ll see top 9 minutes unless the leafs trade for a defenseman in the off season. Toronto is just as deep as Winnipeg as far as forwards go. Another little guy is not what the leafs needed.




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26 Feb 2019 01:52:49
I don’t think that’s a compliment but I’ll take it Mike, lol. It’s better “than” you’re looking for though buddy. Since we’re talking about how smart people are.





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I think that was a terrible deal by the lightning. Gudas, a 1st & 3rd for a 30 year old average d man. They could have had Polak for Gudas alone. Polak was the 1st name that I could think of, but there had to have been better options for cheaper. Personally, I hope the leafs keep Polak.




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@steamer do you understand that it doesn't go against Toronto's cap? Big difference. The owners are paying, they owe us one. They'll probably raise ticket prices to get their money back.




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That's Toronto for you. I think they should have waited too




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Not really