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13 Sep 2018 20:37:55
All along I said the leafs wouldn't trade Nylander but I'm taking that back now by contradicting myself and putting my bias aside with this realistic Nylander proposal.

Any Nylander deal would need to meet this Critera.

A. Western Conference team

B. Low salary coming back

C. A RHD

Side note- apparently the Leafs were talking about Paryanko with stl but that's a pipe dream

Dallas acquires- William Nylander

Leafs acquire- Stephan Jones, 1st round 2019 and 2nd round 2020

Leafs- they'll have to move him for something. Jones could be good with Rielly.

Dallas- gets a 21 year old 1st line winger/ possible C who has potential to be a +PPG-guy

What do you guys think?

vbbbvvbb

1.) 13 Sep 2018 20:52:09
What would you think about an offer sheet which gives the leafs a 1st 2nd and a 3rd?


2.) 13 Sep 2018 21:03:54
Leafs don’t need picks, although then they could trade one of their firsts for like Eberle to replace Nylander.


3.) 13 Sep 2018 21:04:06
I don't think stephan johns should be the centrepiece of a deal involving nylander. Leafs could get a much better player back then him.


4.) 13 Sep 2018 21:22:20
Don't worry buddy. We already know you over exaggerate all the time and then back peddle.
Dubas himself has said they will sign the three, Nylander, Marner and Mathews no worries tho.


5.) 13 Sep 2018 21:23:26
It’s Johns not Jones but I think leafs can get a better offer than that if they are trading away Nylander.


6.) 13 Sep 2018 21:33:24
You’d think they would get an better offer but the Leafs don’t have any leverage whatsoever so if a underwhelming deal like this occurs I will not be suprised and I won’t be disappointed in Dubas or any of the Leafs management.

Just a little FYI to everyone stars never get fair value.


7.) 13 Sep 2018 22:07:52
Guys enough about Nylander.

Can we get back to making fun of Rambo for how wrong he was (again) about Karlsson?


8.) 13 Sep 2018 22:27:39
@Habby I would rather see the leafs match it.


9.) 13 Sep 2018 22:35:55
Nylander is not a star yet. But that being said he should get fair value in a trade. karllson pacioretty skinner etc are all in different situation and point of there careers then nylander. Nylander is an Rfa which means he be under the control of the team that gets him. They could decide which contract route they wanted to go. Plus he's still developing and will most likely get better over the next few years. The star players who you were referring to are already in or maybe even slightest past there prime.


10.) 13 Sep 2018 22:37:57
Vbbb what about if it was montreal doing the offer sheet?


11.) 13 Sep 2018 23:22:29
Why do you think leafs don’t have any leverage?! Lol they own his NHL rights till he’s 27. He’s 21. He needs them far more than they need him they have plenty of capable, albeit not as good as him, wingers who would kiss ass for a chance to play with Matthews and pad their stats.

He doesn’t have another NHL team to play for unless leafs allow him to. His rights are very restricted, hence him being called a Restricted Free Agent lol. If he is demanding a contract that throws the pay scale of this roster out of whack, then I’m fine with seeing what type of a Dman they could get for him. But when the answer comes back and it’s Stephen Johns, I’m going a different route lol

This $8mill ask could be him starting really high because leafs went low. Or it could be just BS since it’s apparently from an unnamed western conference executive. Pasternak is a close comparison in age, position, draft and has better production so far. He’s $6.67mill. Monaghan, gaudreau, Scheifele, mackinnon, Larkin, Ehlers all got between $6 and $6.7 mill off their entry level deal. He’s in the middle of that pack at best. Those deals are all a year or 2 old so give him the benefit of the added cap increase and he’s a $6.5-6.75 player. I will bet he signs in Toronto in the next week to 10 days for about $6.5 mill.


12.) 13 Sep 2018 23:40:12
Toronto dosent have much leverage because if he holds out and dosent sign when the season starts his value drops drastically.


13.) 13 Sep 2018 23:41:35
And in that case I wouldn’t match Montreal’s pick could be a huge payoff. + leafs can’t afford the money the leafs would give up.


14.) 13 Sep 2018 23:58:32
From what I read he has the same agent as Gaudreau who also held out as long as possible and the agent is known for this. I guess Nylander’s dad is involved in the negotiations and he was known for holding out as well. He is obviously not as good as Pastrnak and Kucherov, so if he wants to play hardball, trade him. Won’t they just settle on a bridge deal?


15.) 14 Sep 2018 00:12:13
Yeah I think he resigns too.


16.) 14 Sep 2018 02:55:34
Leafs17, you’re right. The agent is the same one that he gaudreau moss allnof camp and he still got $6.75 mill. His original ask was $8mill aswell. He also represented Saad with Chicago and they got tired of the demands and traded him. They went and got him back wth the big salary a year later, but it just shows that there’s still multiple possible outcomes. But again, I bet he signs. Most likely 6-8 years at $6.5 mill. Possibly 2-3 years at $5 mill or so like kucherov did and then hope to cash in for $8 mill after.


17.) 14 Sep 2018 20:11:37
Also it’s easy to sit out during camp. I’m sure he’s missing being a part of camp and seeing the guys etc already. But he can hold out and miss pre-season games, you don’t get paid for them. But once the season starts, at $6.5mill salary that I believe is close to the offer, he loses out on $80,000 a game. That money, even if he signs the next morning, is gone forever. So missing 15 games is almost $1.25mill. If money is your issue, it’s pretty foolish to burn that off the start. That’s why I don’t believe camp finishes before Nylander signs.


18.) 15 Sep 2018 05:45:34
Dubas sounded confident that he will sign the big three. Starting to wonder now. Maybe willie changed his mind i see no other reason. Willy should be signed by now there must be more to it.


19.) 15 Sep 2018 17:00:18
I can see Nylanders problem with it. It’s great to have 3 young stars, try to keep them all and ask them all to buy in and take a little less.

But if you’re the first guy up, you’re in a hard spot. If he feels he’s worth $7.25-7.5 but is asked to take $6-6.5 and does it for the good of the team, how would he feel if next year marner and Matthews don’t take the discount and go for $9.5 and $13 mill. He looks like a fool for 6 or 7 years. Maybe the plan was to have all 3 buy in and sign extensions this summer and the other 2 want to play out their last year, forcing Nylander to look after himself first.


20.) 15 Sep 2018 21:17:21
I'm willing to bet at least 95% of the time players don't even consider taking less money just to keep a group of players together. i think it might happen occasionally in sports with older guys who have seen 1 st hand how hard it is to win a championship. But very very rarely. Also I wouldn't be suprised if dubas has even talked to nylander about a new contract almost all tines these discussions involve management and the players agent. And almost every time the agent is trying to get the highest contract possible. I can't say for sure because I don't know for sure what's going on but I'm willing to bet if leafs management and nylander had sat down together without an agent involved there would be a contract signed by now.


 

 

10 Aug 2018 21:15:55
Toronto: Josh Leivo

NYI: Micheal Del Colle

Toronto- gives Leivo a new chance considering there is no use for him in their organization. Del Colle could Battle Timoshov/Bracco for a top 6 spot on the Marlies. He has lots of talent but his draft position was to high.

Islanders- get a proven depth forward who can slot in on the third line or be a top line player in the AHL. He's really a player you can plug into any situation. Could be a full time NHLer with the right opportunity.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 10 Aug 2018 21:21:58
I think if Lou believed in him enough to trade a former top 5 pick for him, he would have forced Babcock a little harder to get him in some games. This one I would do from leafs perspective for sure because dal Colle is still young enough. But ideally, we get a pick, free up a roster spot and use both at the deadline if there’s a need to address.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 21:43:32
I don’t think the top 5 pick tital holds much value if he’s not considered a bust I’m not sure what is. I doubt he could bring back more then what Edmonton got for Yakapov. I just want to see leivo get a chance in a new organization I don’t care what they get.


3.) 11 Aug 2018 01:22:46
Del colle has really looked bad hey. I wonder what the problem is with him.


4.) 11 Aug 2018 02:10:44
I know the top 5 doesn’t hold much anymore. Just don’t see them giving him up for Leivo. New management so they aren’t connected to that pick like Snow was, but he still just turned 22 and some of those power forwards take a bit of time. Don’t see them moving him for a guy that Lou just had for the last 3 years and he never made that team.

I want to see Leivo get a chance somewhere too tho.


5.) 11 Aug 2018 04:53:19
I think this year could still be a make or break year for him though. He was never the fastest skater but wasn't by no means slow. his stick handeling and overall puck skills were great when he was in junior I thought for sure he'd be a full time nhl forward by now.


6.) 11 Aug 2018 05:29:41
It looks like Del Colle is a career AHL/ Euro player but if he has the passion you never know.


7.) 11 Aug 2018 05:38:08
Dal Colles main problem is skating. Watching him play it seems he's carrying cement in his skates.


 

 

25 Jul 2018 01:01:49
Per Eliot Friedman the Leafs and Sharks are interested in Antemi Paniran as a rental. The price Per Eliot is thought to be ( A 1st +a B PROSPECT) I feel like it'll be more then that but not much

Assumption- this is a deadline deal where his value is at an all time low. He makes it clear he wants to test FA and won't sign in Columbus.

Comparison- Evander Kane and Marian Hossa 2009.

Columbus: Paniran And 3rd 2019

San Jose: Kevin Leblanc and 1st 2019

Clb: gets rid of a great player that is unwilling to stay long term. They pick up a promising prospect in Leblanc who's basically a guaranteed 2nd liner atleast and a 1st

SJ- gets a player who can be there best player offensively and they have the room to resign.

Columbus- Paniran and Ryan Murray

Toronto- Jake Gardiner, Connor Brown, and 1st 2019

Clb- Gardiner would be able to play on their top PP and would be an upgrade over Murray. Brown provides top 9 depth and a strong PKer. The 1st is useally a essential when trading for a top tier rental.

Toronto- 100% won't resign Paniran so he'd help the playoff push but Murray could be a long term solution for the 2nd pairing.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 25 Jul 2018 04:44:40
Uh so the San Jose trade is terrible for Columbus. Easy no imo. As for the Toronto trade i can’t see Columbus also including Murray, especially since I know you think he’s a stud dman lol.
So I think Columbus could get better offers.


2.) 25 Jul 2018 04:53:28
SAN Jose doesn’t have a 2019 first it’ll have to be a 2020 first and Columbus i don’t think would want to wait for a 2020 pick as they have a squad that could compete now so it’ll require a roster player or prospects that’s ready to make the jump.


3.) 25 Jul 2018 05:26:49
Honestly if this is a deadline deal with the assumption you mentioned I take this as a Jackets fan. But I would add that if we are competing for a division spot or are even in a playoff spot, I think we self-rent Panarin to ourselves. This is the best team in franchise history and there is pressure for playoff success after losing to the champs in the first round two straight years.


4.) 25 Jul 2018 05:47:36
Good point Spencmence. Also you’re right A099 my apologies. Also I’ve never said Murray’s a stud McJesus I’m not to sure other teams would offer more but you could be right.


5.) 25 Jul 2018 11:19:20
No, He suggested that the Leafs could or should be interested in Panarin, not that they are interested and looking into him right now. There's a huge difference. You have to rest to understand then respond not just read to respond. There's a big difference.
And it would be a pure one year rental if they did go after him. If they have the space, why not! Go for it for one, year all out.
But your proposed trade for Panarin and Murray is not enough for CLB. Lol. There would be better offers.


6.) 25 Jul 2018 13:04:53
Gardiner is the best piece going back to CBJ from the leafs at the deadline butbhe is a IFA too. Makes no sense, especially including Murray. The best piece coming back only replaces murray who was a throw in, and as of July they have a late first and a bottom 6 player for panarin and Murray? Lol.


7.) 25 Jul 2018 15:29:41
I would love to see a line up of:

Panarin - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Tavares - Marner
Hyman - Kadri - Kapanen
Who - F’ing - cares

Lol but panarin is 100% a luxury. Top 6 scoring is the last thing we NEED to add and if it comes at the expense of Defense it’s a backwards step. The offer above isn’t near enough, and it’s not worth the leafs paying proper value for what we don’t need.


8.) 25 Jul 2018 16:38:11
We’ll see what he gets but UFAs never bring back much. I actually think they get less then that.


9.) 25 Jul 2018 17:53:14
I think If you don’t include Murray in the trade and include Kapanen instead of brown it’s a decent offer for Panarin.


 

 

11 Jul 2018 21:20:26
Washington: Tom Wilson/Andre Burakovsky, Lucus Johanson and 1st 2019

Columbus: Antrimi Paniran

* Capitals have over 8 million in cap space with only Wilson to sign

Washington- gets the best player in the deal and one of the most skilled players in the nhl. Would be ridiculous on the 2nd line. Could finally break out and become Washington's highest producing player.

Columbus: Wilson is one of the best in the NHL at what he does ( torts would love him ) and Bura is a young player on the uprise. They also get 2 1st round picks.

Top 9 for caps-
Ovie-Backstrom-Vrana
Paniran-Kuz-Oshie
Bura-Eller-Smith Pelly

vbbbvvbb

1.) 12 Jul 2018 05:18:08
1) the value of wilson and burakovsky are way different
2) if you want to suggest a trade you should be able to spell the guy's name. Panarin*.


2.) 12 Jul 2018 13:06:19
Good work, vb. Is this offer for an extended Paniran or not?


3.) 12 Jul 2018 13:35:36
No it’s not for an extended Paniran but if he were willing to take a discount around 7 mil the caps could resign him.


4.) 12 Jul 2018 13:42:41
PKane88- maybe provide some imput on the actual trade instead of stating the obvious? I sware I went on cap geek to Copy his name but I totally forgot lol. Anyway what’s your imput on the value.


5.) 12 Jul 2018 15:43:04
I think the jackets could do better even without an extension in place for panarin. I also think he will get paid at least 9 mil or more.


6.) 13 Jul 2018 03:50:12
You butchered his name lol


7.) 13 Jul 2018 13:03:59
Way too much for wsh to give up wilson and a first is plenty.


8.) 13 Jul 2018 13:38:21
VB- I said that burakovsky and wilson value is way different, if it is wilson i'd say fair deal, if burakovsky i'd say huge overpayment by washington.


 

 

09 Jul 2018 17:23:39
CLB: Paniran and 2019 2nd Rd

LA: Toffoli, Vilardi and 2019 1st

Paniran signs 8x8 ( 64 million )

CLB- Paniran said he's willing to sign a short term deal to win in Columbus but you got to think he'll leave as UFA if given the opportunity he wants to live in a big market for his wife to pursue modeling and besides New York LA Is the next best place.

The Jackets get a replacement, a top 10 prospect in the NHL and upgrade their pick.

LA: gets exactly what they need an speedy Offensive Dynamo to play with Kopitar and Kovi or take a spot on the 2nd line in Toffolis old spot while moving Kempe to the 1st line.

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20 Sep 2018 20:27:16
Current leafs training camp lines-

Hyman-Mathews-Brown
Johnson-Tavares-Marner
Marleau-Kadri-Kappanen
Lievo-Ennis-Grundstrom

I thought Hyman was going to play with Tavares? And the lines aren't looking bad without Nylander

vbbbvvbb

1.) 21 Sep 2018 03:41:00
Um I don’t think so
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Marleau/ Matthews/ Ennis
Leivo/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Lindholm/ Kapanen
Those are the lines Babcock had, have you watched a pre-season game yet? Or even seen anything saying that Hyman plays with Matthews and Brown, I dought your lines actually happen.


2.) 21 Sep 2018 04:15:10
I think Hyman was playing with Tavares game one. Ennis was also with Matthews for game 2. Lots of options up front, unfortunately not so much on the back end.


3.) 21 Sep 2018 20:55:41
That’s what the lines were at the morning skate.


4.) 22 Sep 2018 00:31:47
It’s been Matthews with Marleau and Ennis (Nylander) and then Tavares with marner and human like the plan has been for weeks.


5.) 22 Sep 2018 14:32:13
I didn’t watch the games as I’ve been busy but I don’t understand why they’d do those lines at morning skate makes zero sense to me.


 

 

13 Sep 2018 19:53:08
Hmm Karlsson to the sharks for basically Tierny,Norris,1st And 2nd

I guess I was right after all when I said he was going to get an underwhelming deal.

Not suprised at all Ottawa had zero leverage

vbbbvvbb

1.) 13 Sep 2018 20:27:21
Yeah i'm After looking at the return 3 times now it's really not that great a lot of quantity there but very little actual quality Norris is a good prospect and a 1st is always good to have but I mean this was erik karlsson a top 10 player in the world. Looks to me like they got about a late 1st more then montreal got for pacioretty.


2.) 13 Sep 2018 20:36:56
Ok they got rudolfs balcers too that helps it a little bit I guess.


3.) 13 Sep 2018 20:37:12
The 1st is in 2020 too 😂😂. Not 2019 which would help the rebuild more quicker.
I wonder how Rambone will spin this one. Where Sergachev +++. Or Boeser and Hughes +1st.


4.) 13 Sep 2018 20:39:12
Yeah I agree.


5.) 13 Sep 2018 20:50:07
So is there 2 picks plus two conditional picks or just the 2 picks total.


6.) 13 Sep 2018 21:25:52
There's two possible Condotional picks I believe.
One around resigning and getting to finals or something.

And one that has to be a 1st before 2022 of Karlsson ends up on any eastern conference teams roster lost during the 2018-2019 season. They are covering their ass from being burned on the Hoffman deal when they did t want to trade him to their division then San Jose turned around and flipped him to Florida. That is the best this I've ever heard of. Hilarious they had to do that.


7.) 13 Sep 2018 22:24:03
Either way the big winner here is probably the colorodo avalanche.


8.) 14 Sep 2018 14:56:59
Technically the first is 2019 if sjs misses the playoffs. They get a 2nd if karlsson resigns, it turns into a first if sjs also makes the finals this year. If Karl's son plays for an eastern conference team it's a no later than 2022 first.


9.) 14 Sep 2018 16:07:03
So if karlson doesn't resign or San Jose doesn't make the finals but they do make the playoffs and they don't trade him to an eastern conference team what does Ottawa get?


 

 

18 Aug 2018 18:56:47
Eklblad or Paryanko
Jones or Dahlin
Karlsson or Hedman

If you're building a team who do you guys take?

vbbbvvbb

1.) 18 Aug 2018 20:25:49
Good tough comparables. I'm torn and all selections have there valid arguments.
Jones - Ekblad is an unreal pairing.
But so would Dahlin - Parayko. Lol.
Any combo of those four would be nuts.


2.) 18 Aug 2018 22:00:05
Yeah these are tough? Do we count current contracts or just base it on who's better?


3.) 19 Aug 2018 02:53:22
Contracts but assume Karlsson signs the same contract as Hedman.


4.) 19 Aug 2018 05:01:38
We'll he won't but I think I still take hedman. The sure thing in jones and parayko cause he's 2 mil less I think.


5.) 19 Aug 2018 06:02:42
Ya why assume Karlsson signs same as Hedman? Karlsson is better but he'll get 3+ more per year than Hedman. Hedman is a top 3-5 Dman in the league but it's his contract that makes him the most valuable imo, under 8 mill is a steal.


6.) 19 Aug 2018 07:31:18
He probably won’t but I just used it for sake of argument. Curious who you guys think is better if at the same contract.


7.) 19 Aug 2018 14:24:28
Karlsson. And I am about as big a Hedman fan as it gets. Karlsson is the better player hard to argue otherwise right now.


8.) 19 Aug 2018 15:14:50
Yeah karlsson may be slightly better right now but he's also older.


9.) 19 Aug 2018 15:38:08
Yah I’d say Eklblad ( I feel like he’d excel in a different system other then Florida), Dahlin ( not a sure thing but the potential is just so high. ) and Karlsson ( both similar in terms of skill wise but I enjoy watching Karlsson more. )


10.) 20 Aug 2018 06:02:51
Overall game. I think Hedman is the better Dman. Offense, no question its Karlsson. but all around. Hedman. I'll take Ekblad, Dahlin and Hedman.


11.) 20 Aug 2018 16:39:13
If I'm building I'll take Parayko, Jones (love Dahlin but Jones is established, young and still get better) and Hedman.


12.) 21 Aug 2018 19:26:00
Hedmans only a year younger than Karlsson, right? One draft behind anyway, not sure on birthdays. If starting a team I take hedman all day long because he’s bigger, stronger, still mobile, plays both sides of the puck like a beast and is on one of the best contracts in the league. That’s 6 years at 7.6 mill or whatever makes the rest of your team a lot better. Also hasn’t had a significant injury so recently like Karlsson. No shot at Karlssons value intended, Karlsson is great and seems like a real classy and good hearted guy. I hope he goes somewhere outside the Atlantic and has a ton of success lol.


13.) 22 Aug 2018 18:45:35
Yeah your right jim I was thinking they were two years apart. This makes my choice even harder lol. Now because of this I'm leaning toward karlsson. And my though process is also telling me if they both swapped teams how much better would karlsons numbers be and much worse would Hedmans be? It wouldn't be crazy to think karllson would have put up a 100 point season playing in tampa with all that talent around him.


14.) 22 Aug 2018 22:57:46
Yeah, any team would be a lot better with either of those 2, or any of those 6 actually. I’ve just seen a lot of hedman and Karlsson being in the division and I think Hedman is unbelievable and has such a well rounded game. 2 years ago Karlsson proved how well rounded his game had become too, but then I consider that he’s going to get paid a lot more, that little bit older, the injury and coming off a poor year (extenuating circumstances with health, stillborn baby, drama in locker room and at home with wives fighting) and I would bet on Hedman. Can’t go wrong or really disagree too hard with any though.


15.) 23 Aug 2018 05:59:00
Yeah you really can't go wrong either way but remember what vbbb said we have to assume karlson signs for the same as hedman when making our decision. if his next contract is north of 10 mil per which we assume it will be then I take hedman for sure.


16.) 23 Aug 2018 15:15:00
Okay yeah, at 7x8mill, that makes Karlsson an easier one lol.


 

 

10 Aug 2018 21:39:44
I still can't believe in 2015 the Bruins had the 13th,14th and 15th picks and they picked who they picked.

Barzel was a conscious top 10 pick and I was kinda hoping Toronto was going to move down if Strome wasn't available to 8th with Columbus so they could draft him because there were rumours of Columbus looking to move up at the time to select Hanfin. As the draft went on I could not believe Barzel AND Kyle Connor fell down to the Bruins. I was thinking to myself they're going to draft Barzel, Connor and Zbroil ( who at the time was thought to be a safe pick for a top four shut down dman and projected to go higher then his d partner Thomas Chabot. )

At the time I thought Zbroil was a good pick but I still can't believe they took Debrusk and Zach Senyshyn. Just imagine how much better the Bruins would be with Connor and Barzal. Then there was Charlie taking Rienhart over Chabot/Barzal, Zacha going 6th, leafs trading the Konechny pick and Oliver Kylington falling.

How can a GM who gets paid millions not see what almost every other fan could see. If it wasn't for Barzals mid season injury that led him to miss the world Juniors he could've easily been the 3rd pick.

Anyway out of all the drafts I watched the 2015 draft was the funnest of them all. What was your guys favourite draft?

vbbbvvbb

1.) 10 Aug 2018 22:01:24
2016 just the whole media trying to make a huge story out of maybe Toronto takes laine maybe Winnipeg takes puljarvi. When there was no question. Then the actual surprise at #3.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 22:12:55
Yeah I remember having a little giggle at those picks at the time too. All 3 seemed a little off the board for where they were, luckily for them debrusk looks ok.
One draft that comes to mind for me is 1990 the big 4 from the chl. Nobody could really predict what order they would go which was rare even for back then. Pens nabbed jagr at 5 which was still surprising he went that early even considering how talented he was. yeah things were different then lol. i had predicted at the time the habs would draft keith tkachuk at 12th I think they were, but instead they took turner Stevenson who was just amazing lol.


3.) 11 Aug 2018 00:23:48
Lol that draft was over 10 years before I was born.


4.) 11 Aug 2018 01:12:07
I'm surprised Boucherd dropped to Oilers and both Wahlstrom and Dobson fell to isles
Van, NYR, ARI, and I forget who else in the top ten surprised.


5.) 11 Aug 2018 03:36:31
I’ve kinda had a laugh at how they screwed up those 3 picks but in all honesty, after that 7 game series against us this season, Debrusk looks like a player. Not barzal obviously, but a skilled power forward that drives the net really hard and will fit in on that team and be adored by those fans if he plays like he did that series.

At Alpaca, I remember friends of mine trying to convince me the leafs might pass up Matthews after hearing that lol they do it every year. I remember they did the same thing with doughty over stamkos (which doesn’t seem so crazy now but at the time it was stamkos spot to lose) and the very next year with hedman over Tavares (when again, hedmans amazing but he took some time, and Tavares had broken gretzkys OHL goals record lol) .

And then there was a story that came out years later, can’t rememebr who ran the story, but was telling how islanders scouts and management really were debating who to take right till draft day, but it wasn’t JT/ Hedman, the room was apparently split between JT and Duchene who went 3rd to Avs lol.


6.) 11 Aug 2018 05:33:29
Debrusk is good but they shouldn’t have reached with gems in front of them. @ yup yah oilers and Islanders got lucky.


7.) 12 Aug 2018 02:05:29
Yup I don’t think VAN’s pick was a suprise. From what I was seeing Hughes was going to be the 2nd D taken. Montreal’s pick was expected to go outside of the top 10 weeks before the draft and I was seeing Boqvist possibly outside the top 10 too. But yeah I’m really jealous of the Isles draft.


8.) 12 Aug 2018 05:54:36
Actually ebs after his strong performance at the under 18 championship in April most list after that had kotkaniemi in the top 10 and some had him as high as 3rd. Bob mckenzie who usually picks the top 10 as good as any list had him at 5th.


9.) 12 Aug 2018 07:51:12
Okay I might be wrong but I seen him jump to around 12-15 then the thought was he was either going 3rd or around 10. But I don’t keep up with the prospects all that much so your probably right.


10.) 12 Aug 2018 11:28:55
I was suprised Kotkanhowever the hell you say it was picked at 3 as well. Oh boy. fingers crossed. Really wanted Zadina. but hope the Finn does well.


11.) 12 Aug 2018 15:42:36
Yeah ebs around mid season he was still around 12th I think.


 

 

08 Aug 2018 06:46:01
I honestly get why people hate on Mathews the leafs are the biggest media outlet in the NHL and he's the best player in Leafs/American history yes over Modano and Gilmore. He's the best even strength goal scorer in the NHL and As a rookie he scored 40 goals ( more then McJesus ). And almost single handedly brought the leafs to the playoffs. He was on pace for 44 goals and 39 Assists last season and next season 45 goals and 50 Assists is reasonable (95) points I believe Mathews being the best player in American history is a big reason why he's overhyped. I don't think he's as good as McDavid but he's going to be Lemieux as he was to Gretzky. He'll be in McDavids shadow.

Czech had Jagar
Canada had Gretzky
Russia had Valeri Khalamarov
Finland had Temmu Selaming
Sweden had Lindstrom
USA has Mathews

Let's see what this starts also I'll add on this is Projections most analysts agree that at the end of his career he'll have more success then Gilmore and Modano the future looks bright barring an injury.

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1.) 08 Aug 2018 08:20:02
Lol calm down VB, give him a few more years and judge then.


2.) 08 Aug 2018 08:34:49
TSN/ Sportsnet are, yes, truly horrid. Leafs this, leafs that. For a fan of any other team, it’s annoying as all f**k. I haven’t watched either since the leafs got Tavares because I assume it’s just a 24/ 7 circle jerk. Honestly, if a network sprouted up in Winnipeg or wherever that covered every other team but the leafs, I’d watch it every. single. day. I don’t hate the leafs, I hate that they’re shoved down our throats.

As for Matthews, yeesh. Ease up.
I’m pretty sure you know you should too. While I have no evidence, I have a feeling you’re drunk. Matthews is a great player, no doubt. May very well end up being legendary too. But already putting him ahead of US hockey legends is ridiculous, and I know that you know that.

I agree with Triplets. Calm down.


3.) 08 Aug 2018 12:11:04
I guess I’m not allowed to tell you how I really feel. I thought coming from one leaf fan to another that administration would let it ride. Its time to come back down to earth. You’re the reason myself and other leaf fans get grouped in the “delusional” crowd like yourself.


4.) 08 Aug 2018 13:15:11
You’re right lol way to early to tell Mathews isn’t overrated tho he’s over hyped imo I was just saying he has the potential to get apast the Gilmore/ Madano level honesty I haven’t seen either play but. Looking at statistics and highlights and reading others opinions I believe that isn’t a to far fetched opinion. Mathews is then 2nd most hyped player in the NHL. I believe he has potential to reach the Yzerman level and in my non expert opinion i believe Yzerman was better then anyone in leafs history and Madano.

Late night post was reading a thread on HF boreds and trust me there is a lot more biased ones then me.


5.) 08 Aug 2018 15:11:18
Everyone already expressed my opinion on the matter saving me the trouble. Thanks guys. one thing I will ask is why valeri kharmalov from Russia? Yes he was really good but should someone like bure or ovechkin be there instead.


6.) 08 Aug 2018 15:27:59
Oh and can we have some more austin matthews stats please? Maybe you could tell us what his fav food is or the Tv show he's watching right now lol.


7.) 08 Aug 2018 15:57:35
Vbbb continuing on with his wild player evaluations. You need to stop making your evaluations based on playing NHL18 and try to learn something about hockey outside of Toronto.


8.) 08 Aug 2018 16:43:08
Lol. Wow.


9.) 08 Aug 2018 18:00:10
NHL 18 evaluations? Duncan Kieth has the higher overall rating I’m pretty sure. EA underates young players Brock Boeser is like 78 ovr. Haven’t played NHL 18 sense the end of the school year tho.


10.) 08 Aug 2018 18:17:13
Valery Khalamarov is one of the most idolized figures in Russia. All Russian players like Ovechkin and Malkin look up to him. In Russia they believe he’s better then Gretzky he is a national hero. Obviously here in NA we believe differently.


11.) 08 Aug 2018 19:56:55
Matthews is an elite talent 150%. He will be great.

But don’t compare him to Modano or any other USA legend atm. that's jist biased. He will be great. He is great now. But give him time before we start to crown him the ‘USA’s great one’ cause atm, that statement is complteley wild and over anyones head.


12.) 08 Aug 2018 21:34:54
if you ask vb laine is better than ovechkin. if you ask vb schiefle is the best player in the nhl.

thats all you need to know about vb.

potential means 0 until the players actually do

let matthews play a few full seasons and top 90 points a season plus for the bulk of his career before you start throwing modano and gilmour out there.

both those guys won cups btw.


13.) 08 Aug 2018 23:39:02
I live in America and as of now I have Kane way over Matthews! And plus others modano obviously! But I really like Matthews I hope he is as great as he’s supposed to be. but this is the reason we call Toronto fans out! Post about other teams for one week and see what people say maybe you have a better opinion instead of straight bias crap we see everyday.


14.) 08 Aug 2018 23:55:46
Was Modano even that dominate tho? As far as I know he was a star but on a Stamkos/ Tavares level did he ever win a cup? Is it just me or is his legacy not unreal. If Mathews wins a cup or two while consistently leading the leafs you’d think that he gets to that level. America hasn’t gotten many superstars until recently.


15.) 09 Aug 2018 00:04:23
Just because I wouldn’t trade Liane for Ovie in a fantasy keeper league dosent mean I think he’s the better player he’s 10 years younger I’d be a person to make that trade. And Schifele is a great fantasy player I didn’t want to trade him either his teams on the uprise.


16.) 09 Aug 2018 00:10:11
How come Lafontaine never gets mentioned in "Greatest Americans".
I'd say Kane probably has the title. but, Pat Lafontaine was pretty damn good., Brian Leetch was another.
Mathews is going to be in this class soon enough, and probably will surpass everyone and become greatest American. but. like some have said
. let's let him earn it. also, maybe this Hughes kid may have something to say about it. wouldn't it be something if Habs get him. lol. good chance, looking at the current roster. I believe Habs are a Carey Price injury away from having best Odds in the game to get him. and. well, as we all know. it's very possible that may happen.


17.) 09 Aug 2018 05:54:03
That’d be cool if Montreal got hughs. Colorado probably has him tho lol.


18.) 09 Aug 2018 18:57:07
Modano did win a cup with the stars in 99.

BUT Patrick Kane wth an Art Ross, Ted Lindsay Award, Hart Trophy (1st American to win it), 3 cups, Conn Smythe, Olympic medals (silver, but still) and Calder Trophy. Point per game playoff numbers, 50 playoff goals, a bunch of playoff GWGs including 4-5 series clinching ones and of course the OT winner for the Stanley Cup. Greatness comes from the biggest moments and he’s the ultimate big game player of a generation for me.

And had all that at 27 years old. Still under 30 now. He is the guy to beat for greatest American player in my eyes.


19.) 09 Aug 2018 20:20:38
I think Mathews can beat Kane.


20.) 10 Aug 2018 00:14:54
See vbbb that last statement was better. You think matthews can beat Kane. I take that as you mean someday he will better then Kane. Which is perfectly fine. its when you say stuff like he's better then gilmour or modano right now is what gets to people.


21.) 10 Aug 2018 00:31:44
It’s possible, but that’s why I said “he’s the one to beat”. As far as I’m concerned, no American has that type of a resume and certainly not by his age.

Without any major injuries, and the style Kane plays, I don’t see any reason he can’t be a productive player till he’s 35 or 36 years old. So he accomplished all that in the first half of a career. Pretty damn impressive. I doubt his second half will be as productive, but could still collect a cpl more awards and will keep piling up points.


22.) 10 Aug 2018 00:40:35
We know you do vbb’s. Let’s just hope for a decent playoff run for now.


23.) 10 Aug 2018 20:09:01
If he has more cups than Kane, I don’t care if he ever wins an individual award lol both would be incredible but that’s a steep climb.


 

 

 

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24 Sep 2018 17:43:44
Normal fans

Schifele and Liane for McDavid and Lucic

= no from Winnipeg but fair trade

Oilers fans-

Liane, Schifele, Trouba, Helleybuck, Ehlers And Connor for McDavid, Lucic, Talbot and Sekera

= huge no from oilers McDavid is untouchable as he’ll lead the oilers to multiple cups

Next season- Winnipeg makes conference finals oilers miss playoffs.

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23 Sep 2018 18:54:14
Say what you want but Schifele was battling in the conference finals while McDavid was out golfing. 1 player can’t do it all like you oilers fans think. I’ll take Mackinnon+ Schifele over McDavid anyday.

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22 Sep 2018 14:27:27
Pinball you underate Seth Jones he has much more value then Nylander.

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21 Sep 2018 20:49:41
Mathews instead of Nylander might get Columbus’s attention.

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20 Sep 2018 20:21:58
Not a bad offer at all.

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