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10 Oct 2018 13:03:40
I'll bite on Nylander/Tanev but I'd make a 1st manditory as IMO Tanev isn't a good enough base.

Leafs: William Nylander and 2nd 2019

Canucks: Tanev and Top 5 protected 1st 2019 ( continues until pick is outside of top 5 )

Leafs get a potentially early pick and the deffensman they need. Vancouver gets a potential franchise altering player who could challenge for a scoring tital in the future.

Boeser-Petterson-Nylander

This could challenge

Marchand-Bergeron-Pasta
Or
Benn-Seguin-Radulov

I would not make a trade with Vancouver unless Demko,Hughes or 1st 2019 was in the deal.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 10 Oct 2018 14:14:48
Easy no from the Canucks. With the draft being in Vancouver, there is zero chance they trade their first pick.

Nylander "franchise altering player". Lol 😆.


2.) 10 Oct 2018 14:42:26
Nylander being a franchise altering playwr is as ridiculous as your take on Trouba memarcusjoe.


3.) 10 Oct 2018 15:38:12
@itookdon Let's not turn this into another Leafs begging for Trouba thread.


4.) 10 Oct 2018 15:45:50
@doncherry

It was vb that referred to Nylander as a ranchise altering player. Joe was mocking him for it. As he should.

@vb

Tanev is garbage. I have a very hard time seeing someone who has spent that much time being injured ever returning to previous form, let alone reach full potential. You really want to trade out 1RW for an injury riddled defenseman and a 1st? Plus you want to give them a 2nd for doing them this favor?

Leafs pass.


5.) 10 Oct 2018 15:55:02
@leafsgm. He’s saying vbb calling Nylander that is equal to Marcus calling Trouba a superstar.


6.) 10 Oct 2018 16:41:56
@unbiasedjim

Ok. You’re right. Lol. I get it now. They’re both right.


7.) 10 Oct 2018 16:50:44
Never said I wanted Trouba memarcusjoe. There are at least 10 other dmen i would want before him that might in the slightest be available.


8.) 10 Oct 2018 17:39:11
Actually though Trouba is far, far, far closer to a superstar (which I've never called him) than Nylander is to a "franchise altering player" lol. 😆

Unless by "franchise altering" you mean that he'll alter your franchise for the worse because you'd be overpaying for a soft as butter winger?


9.) 10 Oct 2018 18:08:47
Memarcusjoe, go back and read a bunch of your posts on him please. You talk the guy up as much as anybody does there favorite player or team. His claim is ridiculous about Nylander, but you should not be commenting based on your undying love and support for Trouba.


10.) 10 Oct 2018 19:11:45
Turning down offers for Trouba that make the Jets worse as I do, is not the same as calling Nylander a "franchise altering player". Lol

Go back and re-read my posts on Trouba, I've never once called him anything more than what he is. A young, top pairing defenseman.

I know things like the truth don't go over well on this site, but there you have it. Please try to be truthful and not exaggerate when you are claiming another poster said something.


11.) 10 Oct 2018 19:21:49
"Potential franchise altering player"
That's got to be the best thing I've ever read on here.
Way too funny.


12.) 10 Oct 2018 20:09:03
Any player who you can put up a PPG is a franchise altering player. He can’t be a face of a Franchise like A Crosby, Dahlin or Price he can be a player similar to Paniran or Kessel.


13.) 10 Oct 2018 21:42:28
Lol Kessel was franchise altering. Leafs had to get rid of him to get better.


14.) 10 Oct 2018 22:24:44
Joe you’ve also said that Trouba is better than Reilly. We all know that Toronto needs defense but I don’t see your center depth tearing up the score sheet. I can admit the leafs are not a perfect team, can you say that the mighty jets are not a perfect team? I didn’t think so. You probably think Scheifele/ Roslovic are the next Crosby/ Malkin. No need to be ignorant every time you post.


15.) 10 Oct 2018 23:14:49
@Leafs17, now what are you on about? What does Nylander not being a "franchise altering player" have to do with the Jets center depth?

No, I agree the Jets are not a perfect team, but as much as it pains Leaf fans to admit it, they Jets are a very good team, deeper and better than Toronto. Even with our center depth, we still had over 100 points and were 2nd in the NHL before Stastny arrived. So, it's not like center is a weakness that is killing us.

As for Reilly, Trouba is better than him in every category except PP points. That's why I say that.

I've tried giving civil responses on here many times, but when it is something the homers here, yourself included, don't want to hear, they normally respond with name calling, yourself included, because they can't back up their homerism with facts. So, sometimes when a Leafs homer makes a stupid statement like vvbb did, I like to give a little shot back.

Or if a poster outright lies about something and tries to attribute that to me as doncherry did above, I feel I have the right to call them out on it.


16.) 11 Oct 2018 00:28:16
Bahaha! There’s not a single person on this site that has ever said the jets are not a good team. You say the leafs are “begging” for Trouba on a daily basis so I like to point out some things you can’t see about your own team. You and your sidekick have been called homers by every fan base on this site so you don’t have a leg to stand on. Have a nice day.


17.) 11 Oct 2018 00:35:31
Leafs17 I feel like you’re putting down Schifele here he belongs in the Mathews/ Tavares tier or atleast very close.


18.) 11 Oct 2018 01:43:52
@Leafs17, right. They call us homers because we turn down trades that the Jets can't afford cap wise or make the Jets worse. So, that somehow makes us homers I guess?

Just imagine the furor on this site had Islandjet or I said an equal Jets player, Ehlers, was a potential "franchise altering player". This place would have melted down, but when a Leafs homer says it, we should just let it go as fact.

I give you credit though for exiting a discussion for once without name calling. You have a nice day too.


19.) 11 Oct 2018 03:29:33
Not at all vbb’s. I’m putting down the #2/ 3 combo. Scheifele is a stud. The jet homers (not Alpaca) like to bash the leafs any chance they can. They will tell you that Matthews/ Tavares are decent. I do watch hockey, I know the jets are a good team but these guys think their sh*t doesn’t stink.


 

 

09 Oct 2018 04:09:21
I'll give a few cracks at some Nylander proposals but I believe he'll resign to something similar to Pasta/Ehlers he belongs in that tier. I think a lot of people underrate him because he's shadowed by Mathews and Marner ( now Tavares ) I think he is better then Ehlers and he has PPG potential in him. Still only 22.

Toronto: William Nylander

Arizona: Jacob Chychrun,Hudson Fasching And 2nd 2019

Obviously Arizona gets someone to contend with Keller for the best forward and brings excitement to a pretty boring team. Chychrun can replace Gardiner on the 2nd pairing for Next season but for this season the leafs can play him on the right hand side.

Anaheim: William Nylander

Toronto: Ondrej Kase And 1st 2019

Leafs get a capable replacement with more of a scoring touch and a 1st. Anaheim gets a fresh Dynamic player who IMO who would mesh extremely well with Rakel and Getzlaf. He'd be an PPG+ threat could possibly lead the Ducks in points. Obviously a player like Manson and Montour but that topic has already been discussed.

Toronto: William Nylander

Vegas: Nate Schmite

Vegas gets the more skilled Dynamic player Toronto gets the Player they need aside from being right handed. Personally I don't think Vegas part with him tho.

Don't think he'll get traded to a eastern conference team IMO the last thing the leafs need is Nylander developing into a 90 point player who absolutely terrorizes the leafs for years to come.

Thoughts?

vbbbvvbb

1.) 09 Oct 2018 04:26:27
I don’t want any of those packages. Obviously Nate Schmidt is really good and would be nice, but doesn’t fit our need of RHD. If you’re not filling the biggest hole on the team, why trade a 22 year old that you feel could score 90pts? (that’s pretty hopeful I think)


2.) 09 Oct 2018 04:30:18
You can forget about Schmidt. The steroid using cheat that got caught and is suspended for 1/ 4 of the season. Schmidt brings nothing to the table we don’t already have except extra scrutiny and judgement. Why on earth would Leafs even consider taking on someone so unprofessional?


3.) 09 Oct 2018 05:20:02
Haha that’s goofy some of the greatest athletes of all time used steroids when looking at football and baseball. He had the highest toi in the playoffs. No dman on Toronto can effectively play a 40 minute game Schmite can when you get into those double OT games.


4.) 09 Oct 2018 05:20:42
90 points is also hopeful but you never know.


5.) 09 Oct 2018 06:55:11
Vb. I don't think Phoenix would want to trade Chychrun.
I think Nylander has more value than Schmidt. and Kase and 1st . no thanks.

Chris Tanev, and 2nd from Canucks
For Nylander.
Ya, it's an overpayment for Tanev, but seems like you have to overpay for a Dman these days.
If you can think of a small add on from Canucks. even better.
I also see a high point ceiling for Nylander. somewhere between 80 to 90 is possible in the right situation.


6.) 09 Oct 2018 13:12:48
That's a pretty harsh condemnation for Schmidt given that from what I read had no idea he was taking a banned substance and he had so little of it in his system it would have had zero impact on his performance.

Cut the guy some slack . he's not Slava Voynov.


7.) 09 Oct 2018 14:21:56
Your giving up way too much in the Vegas Deal, Nylander for a pending UFA defenceman who was suspended for 20 games? Leafs say no. Maybe if it’s Miller and Tuch your getting the leaf consider it, but no way in this deal. I don’t think Schmidt is bad or was given a suspension that seems too long, it’s just he isn’t going to get you Nylander.
The Anaheim one ain’t bad, but I would much rather have a defencman like Manson or Montour coming back if we deal Nylander, leafs want to contend, Kase may help but he has a concussion so you never know how he may pan out
Arizona one isn’t bad but again leafs don’t need LD, they need a RD so leafs pass.


8.) 09 Oct 2018 15:39:11
I don’t see how someone doesn’t know how he had a banned substance in his body. Not possible in my eyes. And this whole equivalent to a drop in the ocean thing is bull as well. These hormones and steroids are extremely poserful, and all it takes is a tiny amount to get results. Add to that the fact that he had probably taken a cycle months before testing and it just hadn’t come out of his system yet and you get a positive result. If it looks like a cheat, it is a cheat. Comparing him to steroid using athletes in other sports isn’t even a worthwhile comparison. In baseball especially we have seen the MLB crack down on cheats. Players getting long term suspensions and even not having their records recognized and in some cases, denied entry to HOF.

Schmidt isn’t even a very good defenseman. Even if he wasn’t caught and suspended, he still isn’t worth Nylander. He brings nothing to the table except extra scrutiny. It would be a media frenzy in Toronto should he join the team. I can’t think of any reason why Dubas would trade for him.


9.) 09 Oct 2018 16:07:47
Man like I said he can play 40 minutes a night with the hardest minutes he’s not exactly a offensively gifted dman but he does the little things right. Personally I’d love Slava Voynov but i doubt the leafs would take him.


10.) 09 Oct 2018 16:10:03
Ok wild theory here, do you think he was bitten by a bug (like a mosquito) that may have contracted the steroids from another person? I mean it seems like a possibility since the amount found in his body was so small.


11.) 09 Oct 2018 16:25:50
Of course he can play 40 minutes a night. He’s on steroids.


12.) 09 Oct 2018 21:59:49
Lol I know I know people on steroids but they can’t 40 min a night in the NHL. Have you ever taken steroids? If not you can’t really comment on on the effects unless if you have a Phd in Medicine. The reality is he’d be the leafs best defensive Dman last season he was by far the Knights best dman.


 

 

13 Sep 2018 20:37:55
All along I said the leafs wouldn't trade Nylander but I'm taking that back now by contradicting myself and putting my bias aside with this realistic Nylander proposal.

Any Nylander deal would need to meet this Critera.

A. Western Conference team

B. Low salary coming back

C. A RHD

Side note- apparently the Leafs were talking about Paryanko with stl but that's a pipe dream

Dallas acquires- William Nylander

Leafs acquire- Stephan Jones, 1st round 2019 and 2nd round 2020

Leafs- they'll have to move him for something. Jones could be good with Rielly.

Dallas- gets a 21 year old 1st line winger/ possible C who has potential to be a +PPG-guy

What do you guys think?

vbbbvvbb

1.) 13 Sep 2018 20:52:09
What would you think about an offer sheet which gives the leafs a 1st 2nd and a 3rd?


2.) 13 Sep 2018 21:03:54
Leafs don’t need picks, although then they could trade one of their firsts for like Eberle to replace Nylander.


3.) 13 Sep 2018 21:04:06
I don't think stephan johns should be the centrepiece of a deal involving nylander. Leafs could get a much better player back then him.


4.) 13 Sep 2018 21:22:20
Don't worry buddy. We already know you over exaggerate all the time and then back peddle.
Dubas himself has said they will sign the three, Nylander, Marner and Mathews no worries tho.


5.) 13 Sep 2018 21:23:26
It’s Johns not Jones but I think leafs can get a better offer than that if they are trading away Nylander.


6.) 13 Sep 2018 21:33:24
You’d think they would get an better offer but the Leafs don’t have any leverage whatsoever so if a underwhelming deal like this occurs I will not be suprised and I won’t be disappointed in Dubas or any of the Leafs management.

Just a little FYI to everyone stars never get fair value.


7.) 13 Sep 2018 22:07:52
Guys enough about Nylander.

Can we get back to making fun of Rambo for how wrong he was (again) about Karlsson?


8.) 13 Sep 2018 22:27:39
@Habby I would rather see the leafs match it.


9.) 13 Sep 2018 22:35:55
Nylander is not a star yet. But that being said he should get fair value in a trade. karllson pacioretty skinner etc are all in different situation and point of there careers then nylander. Nylander is an Rfa which means he be under the control of the team that gets him. They could decide which contract route they wanted to go. Plus he's still developing and will most likely get better over the next few years. The star players who you were referring to are already in or maybe even slightest past there prime.


10.) 13 Sep 2018 22:37:57
Vbbb what about if it was montreal doing the offer sheet?


11.) 13 Sep 2018 23:22:29
Why do you think leafs don’t have any leverage?! Lol they own his NHL rights till he’s 27. He’s 21. He needs them far more than they need him they have plenty of capable, albeit not as good as him, wingers who would kiss ass for a chance to play with Matthews and pad their stats.

He doesn’t have another NHL team to play for unless leafs allow him to. His rights are very restricted, hence him being called a Restricted Free Agent lol. If he is demanding a contract that throws the pay scale of this roster out of whack, then I’m fine with seeing what type of a Dman they could get for him. But when the answer comes back and it’s Stephen Johns, I’m going a different route lol

This $8mill ask could be him starting really high because leafs went low. Or it could be just BS since it’s apparently from an unnamed western conference executive. Pasternak is a close comparison in age, position, draft and has better production so far. He’s $6.67mill. Monaghan, gaudreau, Scheifele, mackinnon, Larkin, Ehlers all got between $6 and $6.7 mill off their entry level deal. He’s in the middle of that pack at best. Those deals are all a year or 2 old so give him the benefit of the added cap increase and he’s a $6.5-6.75 player. I will bet he signs in Toronto in the next week to 10 days for about $6.5 mill.


12.) 13 Sep 2018 23:40:12
Toronto dosent have much leverage because if he holds out and dosent sign when the season starts his value drops drastically.


13.) 13 Sep 2018 23:41:35
And in that case I wouldn’t match Montreal’s pick could be a huge payoff. + leafs can’t afford the money the leafs would give up.


14.) 13 Sep 2018 23:58:32
From what I read he has the same agent as Gaudreau who also held out as long as possible and the agent is known for this. I guess Nylander’s dad is involved in the negotiations and he was known for holding out as well. He is obviously not as good as Pastrnak and Kucherov, so if he wants to play hardball, trade him. Won’t they just settle on a bridge deal?


15.) 14 Sep 2018 00:12:13
Yeah I think he resigns too.


16.) 14 Sep 2018 02:55:34
Leafs17, you’re right. The agent is the same one that he gaudreau moss allnof camp and he still got $6.75 mill. His original ask was $8mill aswell. He also represented Saad with Chicago and they got tired of the demands and traded him. They went and got him back wth the big salary a year later, but it just shows that there’s still multiple possible outcomes. But again, I bet he signs. Most likely 6-8 years at $6.5 mill. Possibly 2-3 years at $5 mill or so like kucherov did and then hope to cash in for $8 mill after.


17.) 14 Sep 2018 20:11:37
Also it’s easy to sit out during camp. I’m sure he’s missing being a part of camp and seeing the guys etc already. But he can hold out and miss pre-season games, you don’t get paid for them. But once the season starts, at $6.5mill salary that I believe is close to the offer, he loses out on $80,000 a game. That money, even if he signs the next morning, is gone forever. So missing 15 games is almost $1.25mill. If money is your issue, it’s pretty foolish to burn that off the start. That’s why I don’t believe camp finishes before Nylander signs.


18.) 15 Sep 2018 05:45:34
Dubas sounded confident that he will sign the big three. Starting to wonder now. Maybe willie changed his mind i see no other reason. Willy should be signed by now there must be more to it.


19.) 15 Sep 2018 17:00:18
I can see Nylanders problem with it. It’s great to have 3 young stars, try to keep them all and ask them all to buy in and take a little less.

But if you’re the first guy up, you’re in a hard spot. If he feels he’s worth $7.25-7.5 but is asked to take $6-6.5 and does it for the good of the team, how would he feel if next year marner and Matthews don’t take the discount and go for $9.5 and $13 mill. He looks like a fool for 6 or 7 years. Maybe the plan was to have all 3 buy in and sign extensions this summer and the other 2 want to play out their last year, forcing Nylander to look after himself first.


20.) 15 Sep 2018 21:17:21
I'm willing to bet at least 95% of the time players don't even consider taking less money just to keep a group of players together. i think it might happen occasionally in sports with older guys who have seen 1 st hand how hard it is to win a championship. But very very rarely. Also I wouldn't be suprised if dubas has even talked to nylander about a new contract almost all tines these discussions involve management and the players agent. And almost every time the agent is trying to get the highest contract possible. I can't say for sure because I don't know for sure what's going on but I'm willing to bet if leafs management and nylander had sat down together without an agent involved there would be a contract signed by now.


 

 

10 Aug 2018 21:15:55
Toronto: Josh Leivo

NYI: Micheal Del Colle

Toronto- gives Leivo a new chance considering there is no use for him in their organization. Del Colle could Battle Timoshov/Bracco for a top 6 spot on the Marlies. He has lots of talent but his draft position was to high.

Islanders- get a proven depth forward who can slot in on the third line or be a top line player in the AHL. He's really a player you can plug into any situation. Could be a full time NHLer with the right opportunity.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 10 Aug 2018 21:21:58
I think if Lou believed in him enough to trade a former top 5 pick for him, he would have forced Babcock a little harder to get him in some games. This one I would do from leafs perspective for sure because dal Colle is still young enough. But ideally, we get a pick, free up a roster spot and use both at the deadline if there’s a need to address.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 21:43:32
I don’t think the top 5 pick tital holds much value if he’s not considered a bust I’m not sure what is. I doubt he could bring back more then what Edmonton got for Yakapov. I just want to see leivo get a chance in a new organization I don’t care what they get.


3.) 11 Aug 2018 01:22:46
Del colle has really looked bad hey. I wonder what the problem is with him.


4.) 11 Aug 2018 02:10:44
I know the top 5 doesn’t hold much anymore. Just don’t see them giving him up for Leivo. New management so they aren’t connected to that pick like Snow was, but he still just turned 22 and some of those power forwards take a bit of time. Don’t see them moving him for a guy that Lou just had for the last 3 years and he never made that team.

I want to see Leivo get a chance somewhere too tho.


5.) 11 Aug 2018 04:53:19
I think this year could still be a make or break year for him though. He was never the fastest skater but wasn't by no means slow. his stick handeling and overall puck skills were great when he was in junior I thought for sure he'd be a full time nhl forward by now.


6.) 11 Aug 2018 05:29:41
It looks like Del Colle is a career AHL/ Euro player but if he has the passion you never know.


7.) 11 Aug 2018 05:38:08
Dal Colles main problem is skating. Watching him play it seems he's carrying cement in his skates.


 

 

25 Jul 2018 01:01:49
Per Eliot Friedman the Leafs and Sharks are interested in Antemi Paniran as a rental. The price Per Eliot is thought to be ( A 1st +a B PROSPECT) I feel like it'll be more then that but not much

Assumption- this is a deadline deal where his value is at an all time low. He makes it clear he wants to test FA and won't sign in Columbus.

Comparison- Evander Kane and Marian Hossa 2009.

Columbus: Paniran And 3rd 2019

San Jose: Kevin Leblanc and 1st 2019

Clb: gets rid of a great player that is unwilling to stay long term. They pick up a promising prospect in Leblanc who's basically a guaranteed 2nd liner atleast and a 1st

SJ- gets a player who can be there best player offensively and they have the room to resign.

Columbus- Paniran and Ryan Murray

Toronto- Jake Gardiner, Connor Brown, and 1st 2019

Clb- Gardiner would be able to play on their top PP and would be an upgrade over Murray. Brown provides top 9 depth and a strong PKer. The 1st is useally a essential when trading for a top tier rental.

Toronto- 100% won't resign Paniran so he'd help the playoff push but Murray could be a long term solution for the 2nd pairing.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 25 Jul 2018 04:44:40
Uh so the San Jose trade is terrible for Columbus. Easy no imo. As for the Toronto trade i can’t see Columbus also including Murray, especially since I know you think he’s a stud dman lol.
So I think Columbus could get better offers.


2.) 25 Jul 2018 04:53:28
SAN Jose doesn’t have a 2019 first it’ll have to be a 2020 first and Columbus i don’t think would want to wait for a 2020 pick as they have a squad that could compete now so it’ll require a roster player or prospects that’s ready to make the jump.


3.) 25 Jul 2018 05:26:49
Honestly if this is a deadline deal with the assumption you mentioned I take this as a Jackets fan. But I would add that if we are competing for a division spot or are even in a playoff spot, I think we self-rent Panarin to ourselves. This is the best team in franchise history and there is pressure for playoff success after losing to the champs in the first round two straight years.


4.) 25 Jul 2018 05:47:36
Good point Spencmence. Also you’re right A099 my apologies. Also I’ve never said Murray’s a stud McJesus I’m not to sure other teams would offer more but you could be right.


5.) 25 Jul 2018 11:19:20
No, He suggested that the Leafs could or should be interested in Panarin, not that they are interested and looking into him right now. There's a huge difference. You have to rest to understand then respond not just read to respond. There's a big difference.
And it would be a pure one year rental if they did go after him. If they have the space, why not! Go for it for one, year all out.
But your proposed trade for Panarin and Murray is not enough for CLB. Lol. There would be better offers.


6.) 25 Jul 2018 13:04:53
Gardiner is the best piece going back to CBJ from the leafs at the deadline butbhe is a IFA too. Makes no sense, especially including Murray. The best piece coming back only replaces murray who was a throw in, and as of July they have a late first and a bottom 6 player for panarin and Murray? Lol.


7.) 25 Jul 2018 15:29:41
I would love to see a line up of:

Panarin - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Tavares - Marner
Hyman - Kadri - Kapanen
Who - F’ing - cares

Lol but panarin is 100% a luxury. Top 6 scoring is the last thing we NEED to add and if it comes at the expense of Defense it’s a backwards step. The offer above isn’t near enough, and it’s not worth the leafs paying proper value for what we don’t need.


8.) 25 Jul 2018 16:38:11
We’ll see what he gets but UFAs never bring back much. I actually think they get less then that.


9.) 25 Jul 2018 17:53:14
I think If you don’t include Murray in the trade and include Kapanen instead of brown it’s a decent offer for Panarin.


 

 

 

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19 Oct 2018 01:37:21
Hmmm.....I agreed with Sports Center when they ranked him the 4th ranked center and I was called an idiot.......I said Mathews was the better player and was going to out produce Tavares and I was called an idiot....nothing's set in stone it's only 7 games into the season but I think my predictions aren't unreasonable whatsoever.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 19 Oct 2018 06:18:40
Like you said. only 7 to 8 games. he's good VB. we all know that. has had a great start. can't take that away, he very well may be even the 2nd best . But. let's play at least half the season . before we get into all this .


2.) 19 Oct 2018 10:02:22
I recall people calling you an person but not for saying those two things. But if we are basing everything on 7 games wouldn't that mean he should have been the number 1 or 2 ranked center lol.


3.) 19 Oct 2018 13:22:53
People have been calling you an person for multiple things of the last few months not just this. Lol.


4.) 19 Oct 2018 13:37:03
Point is Mathews is/ Was underrated by a lot of people on here.


5.) 19 Oct 2018 17:10:54
I don't care what he has done in 7 or 8 games VB. there are still probably 5 or more centerman I would take. that may change., however not in the first month of the season.


6.) 19 Oct 2018 20:02:34
Sosa, who would be the 5 you would take? Actually just curious. To me there’s only 1 if I was starting a team for the future, and maybe a cpl others if it was for right now only.


7.) 19 Oct 2018 20:21:16
Matthews s young, unbelievably talented, natural goal scorer, and is controllable for years.

There’s very few centers I would take over Matthews right now. He absolutely is top 5 in the game, and that’s a fact.


8.) 19 Oct 2018 22:40:35
Right now considering the start he had and the fact he's still on a entry level deal you would have to rank him number 1 in terms of overall value. I don't think he will be that high on the list when he signs his new deal though but I guess if keeps up this pace maybe he will.


9.) 20 Oct 2018 00:42:08
Well Jim, if we are going by age as of now. I'm going to say Mathews # 2.

But. if I have 1 year, and only one year .
I take
McDavid
Crosby
Malkin
Stamkos/ Tavares
McKinnon
Bergeron/ Kopitar
Mathews.

And this is right now. by end of season I could very well change my tune.


10.) 20 Oct 2018 16:25:00
I think I'd take him over tavares and stamkos right now Sosa but for one year the rest look pretty good. starting next season all of the guys you mentioned will be cheaper as well which helps their case too.


11.) 20 Oct 2018 16:27:46
Fair list. I would have him above a cpl of those guys for 1 year. But agree long term he’s #2 at worst.


12.) 20 Oct 2018 17:13:06
Has Mathews even has a top 10 league scoring year or had an 82 point year (PPG)? Just curious.
Hasn't even had a 70 point season yet.


13.) 21 Oct 2018 01:54:07
He has had a PPG+ season last season.


14.) 22 Oct 2018 19:05:59
45g 83pt pace last year through 62 games.


 

 

20 Sep 2018 20:27:16
Current leafs training camp lines-

Hyman-Mathews-Brown
Johnson-Tavares-Marner
Marleau-Kadri-Kappanen
Lievo-Ennis-Grundstrom

I thought Hyman was going to play with Tavares? And the lines aren't looking bad without Nylander

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1.) 21 Sep 2018 03:41:00
Um I don’t think so
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Marleau/ Matthews/ Ennis
Leivo/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Lindholm/ Kapanen
Those are the lines Babcock had, have you watched a pre-season game yet? Or even seen anything saying that Hyman plays with Matthews and Brown, I dought your lines actually happen.


2.) 21 Sep 2018 04:15:10
I think Hyman was playing with Tavares game one. Ennis was also with Matthews for game 2. Lots of options up front, unfortunately not so much on the back end.


3.) 21 Sep 2018 20:55:41
That’s what the lines were at the morning skate.


4.) 22 Sep 2018 00:31:47
It’s been Matthews with Marleau and Ennis (Nylander) and then Tavares with marner and human like the plan has been for weeks.


5.) 22 Sep 2018 14:32:13
I didn’t watch the games as I’ve been busy but I don’t understand why they’d do those lines at morning skate makes zero sense to me.


 

 

13 Sep 2018 19:53:08
Hmm Karlsson to the sharks for basically Tierny,Norris,1st And 2nd

I guess I was right after all when I said he was going to get an underwhelming deal.

Not suprised at all Ottawa had zero leverage

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1.) 13 Sep 2018 20:27:21
Yeah i'm After looking at the return 3 times now it's really not that great a lot of quantity there but very little actual quality Norris is a good prospect and a 1st is always good to have but I mean this was erik karlsson a top 10 player in the world. Looks to me like they got about a late 1st more then montreal got for pacioretty.


2.) 13 Sep 2018 20:36:56
Ok they got rudolfs balcers too that helps it a little bit I guess.


3.) 13 Sep 2018 20:37:12
The 1st is in 2020 too 😂😂. Not 2019 which would help the rebuild more quicker.
I wonder how Rambone will spin this one. Where Sergachev +++. Or Boeser and Hughes +1st.


4.) 13 Sep 2018 20:39:12
Yeah I agree.


5.) 13 Sep 2018 20:50:07
So is there 2 picks plus two conditional picks or just the 2 picks total.


6.) 13 Sep 2018 21:25:52
There's two possible Condotional picks I believe.
One around resigning and getting to finals or something.

And one that has to be a 1st before 2022 of Karlsson ends up on any eastern conference teams roster lost during the 2018-2019 season. They are covering their ass from being burned on the Hoffman deal when they did t want to trade him to their division then San Jose turned around and flipped him to Florida. That is the best this I've ever heard of. Hilarious they had to do that.


7.) 13 Sep 2018 22:24:03
Either way the big winner here is probably the colorodo avalanche.


8.) 14 Sep 2018 14:56:59
Technically the first is 2019 if sjs misses the playoffs. They get a 2nd if karlsson resigns, it turns into a first if sjs also makes the finals this year. If Karl's son plays for an eastern conference team it's a no later than 2022 first.


9.) 14 Sep 2018 16:07:03
So if karlson doesn't resign or San Jose doesn't make the finals but they do make the playoffs and they don't trade him to an eastern conference team what does Ottawa get?


 

 

18 Aug 2018 18:56:47
Eklblad or Paryanko
Jones or Dahlin
Karlsson or Hedman

If you're building a team who do you guys take?

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1.) 18 Aug 2018 20:25:49
Good tough comparables. I'm torn and all selections have there valid arguments.
Jones - Ekblad is an unreal pairing.
But so would Dahlin - Parayko. Lol.
Any combo of those four would be nuts.


2.) 18 Aug 2018 22:00:05
Yeah these are tough? Do we count current contracts or just base it on who's better?


3.) 19 Aug 2018 02:53:22
Contracts but assume Karlsson signs the same contract as Hedman.


4.) 19 Aug 2018 05:01:38
We'll he won't but I think I still take hedman. The sure thing in jones and parayko cause he's 2 mil less I think.


5.) 19 Aug 2018 06:02:42
Ya why assume Karlsson signs same as Hedman? Karlsson is better but he'll get 3+ more per year than Hedman. Hedman is a top 3-5 Dman in the league but it's his contract that makes him the most valuable imo, under 8 mill is a steal.


6.) 19 Aug 2018 07:31:18
He probably won’t but I just used it for sake of argument. Curious who you guys think is better if at the same contract.


7.) 19 Aug 2018 14:24:28
Karlsson. And I am about as big a Hedman fan as it gets. Karlsson is the better player hard to argue otherwise right now.


8.) 19 Aug 2018 15:14:50
Yeah karlsson may be slightly better right now but he's also older.


9.) 19 Aug 2018 15:38:08
Yah I’d say Eklblad ( I feel like he’d excel in a different system other then Florida), Dahlin ( not a sure thing but the potential is just so high. ) and Karlsson ( both similar in terms of skill wise but I enjoy watching Karlsson more. )


10.) 20 Aug 2018 06:02:51
Overall game. I think Hedman is the better Dman. Offense, no question its Karlsson. but all around. Hedman. I'll take Ekblad, Dahlin and Hedman.


11.) 20 Aug 2018 16:39:13
If I'm building I'll take Parayko, Jones (love Dahlin but Jones is established, young and still get better) and Hedman.


12.) 21 Aug 2018 19:26:00
Hedmans only a year younger than Karlsson, right? One draft behind anyway, not sure on birthdays. If starting a team I take hedman all day long because he’s bigger, stronger, still mobile, plays both sides of the puck like a beast and is on one of the best contracts in the league. That’s 6 years at 7.6 mill or whatever makes the rest of your team a lot better. Also hasn’t had a significant injury so recently like Karlsson. No shot at Karlssons value intended, Karlsson is great and seems like a real classy and good hearted guy. I hope he goes somewhere outside the Atlantic and has a ton of success lol.


13.) 22 Aug 2018 18:45:35
Yeah your right jim I was thinking they were two years apart. This makes my choice even harder lol. Now because of this I'm leaning toward karlsson. And my though process is also telling me if they both swapped teams how much better would karlsons numbers be and much worse would Hedmans be? It wouldn't be crazy to think karllson would have put up a 100 point season playing in tampa with all that talent around him.


14.) 22 Aug 2018 22:57:46
Yeah, any team would be a lot better with either of those 2, or any of those 6 actually. I’ve just seen a lot of hedman and Karlsson being in the division and I think Hedman is unbelievable and has such a well rounded game. 2 years ago Karlsson proved how well rounded his game had become too, but then I consider that he’s going to get paid a lot more, that little bit older, the injury and coming off a poor year (extenuating circumstances with health, stillborn baby, drama in locker room and at home with wives fighting) and I would bet on Hedman. Can’t go wrong or really disagree too hard with any though.


15.) 23 Aug 2018 05:59:00
Yeah you really can't go wrong either way but remember what vbbb said we have to assume karlson signs for the same as hedman when making our decision. if his next contract is north of 10 mil per which we assume it will be then I take hedman for sure.


16.) 23 Aug 2018 15:15:00
Okay yeah, at 7x8mill, that makes Karlsson an easier one lol.


 

 

10 Aug 2018 21:39:44
I still can't believe in 2015 the Bruins had the 13th,14th and 15th picks and they picked who they picked.

Barzel was a conscious top 10 pick and I was kinda hoping Toronto was going to move down if Strome wasn't available to 8th with Columbus so they could draft him because there were rumours of Columbus looking to move up at the time to select Hanfin. As the draft went on I could not believe Barzel AND Kyle Connor fell down to the Bruins. I was thinking to myself they're going to draft Barzel, Connor and Zbroil ( who at the time was thought to be a safe pick for a top four shut down dman and projected to go higher then his d partner Thomas Chabot. )

At the time I thought Zbroil was a good pick but I still can't believe they took Debrusk and Zach Senyshyn. Just imagine how much better the Bruins would be with Connor and Barzal. Then there was Charlie taking Rienhart over Chabot/Barzal, Zacha going 6th, leafs trading the Konechny pick and Oliver Kylington falling.

How can a GM who gets paid millions not see what almost every other fan could see. If it wasn't for Barzals mid season injury that led him to miss the world Juniors he could've easily been the 3rd pick.

Anyway out of all the drafts I watched the 2015 draft was the funnest of them all. What was your guys favourite draft?

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1.) 10 Aug 2018 22:01:24
2016 just the whole media trying to make a huge story out of maybe Toronto takes laine maybe Winnipeg takes puljarvi. When there was no question. Then the actual surprise at #3.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 22:12:55
Yeah I remember having a little giggle at those picks at the time too. All 3 seemed a little off the board for where they were, luckily for them debrusk looks ok.
One draft that comes to mind for me is 1990 the big 4 from the chl. Nobody could really predict what order they would go which was rare even for back then. Pens nabbed jagr at 5 which was still surprising he went that early even considering how talented he was. yeah things were different then lol. i had predicted at the time the habs would draft keith tkachuk at 12th I think they were, but instead they took turner Stevenson who was just amazing lol.


3.) 11 Aug 2018 00:23:48
Lol that draft was over 10 years before I was born.


4.) 11 Aug 2018 01:12:07
I'm surprised Boucherd dropped to Oilers and both Wahlstrom and Dobson fell to isles
Van, NYR, ARI, and I forget who else in the top ten surprised.


5.) 11 Aug 2018 03:36:31
I’ve kinda had a laugh at how they screwed up those 3 picks but in all honesty, after that 7 game series against us this season, Debrusk looks like a player. Not barzal obviously, but a skilled power forward that drives the net really hard and will fit in on that team and be adored by those fans if he plays like he did that series.

At Alpaca, I remember friends of mine trying to convince me the leafs might pass up Matthews after hearing that lol they do it every year. I remember they did the same thing with doughty over stamkos (which doesn’t seem so crazy now but at the time it was stamkos spot to lose) and the very next year with hedman over Tavares (when again, hedmans amazing but he took some time, and Tavares had broken gretzkys OHL goals record lol) .

And then there was a story that came out years later, can’t rememebr who ran the story, but was telling how islanders scouts and management really were debating who to take right till draft day, but it wasn’t JT/ Hedman, the room was apparently split between JT and Duchene who went 3rd to Avs lol.


6.) 11 Aug 2018 05:33:29
Debrusk is good but they shouldn’t have reached with gems in front of them. @ yup yah oilers and Islanders got lucky.


7.) 12 Aug 2018 02:05:29
Yup I don’t think VAN’s pick was a suprise. From what I was seeing Hughes was going to be the 2nd D taken. Montreal’s pick was expected to go outside of the top 10 weeks before the draft and I was seeing Boqvist possibly outside the top 10 too. But yeah I’m really jealous of the Isles draft.


8.) 12 Aug 2018 05:54:36
Actually ebs after his strong performance at the under 18 championship in April most list after that had kotkaniemi in the top 10 and some had him as high as 3rd. Bob mckenzie who usually picks the top 10 as good as any list had him at 5th.


9.) 12 Aug 2018 07:51:12
Okay I might be wrong but I seen him jump to around 12-15 then the thought was he was either going 3rd or around 10. But I don’t keep up with the prospects all that much so your probably right.


10.) 12 Aug 2018 11:28:55
I was suprised Kotkanhowever the hell you say it was picked at 3 as well. Oh boy. fingers crossed. Really wanted Zadina. but hope the Finn does well.


11.) 12 Aug 2018 15:42:36
Yeah ebs around mid season he was still around 12th I think.


 

 

 

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22 Oct 2018 23:13:22
Crouse is terrible like he is absolutely garbage at hockey skill wise he stood out in the O because of his size but never got better. No way he ever Cracks the leafs lineup. Dosent even stand out in the AHL.

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22 Oct 2018 23:10:18
I feel like Toronto can either go for 1 Dmen of lesser value like Pesce and do a 1 for 1 swap or they could do Nylander for a future Oriented package probably with 2 1sts or a high one. I feel like he’ll sign a 1 year deal then be traded for picks at the draft like Bobby Ryan on Anaheim.

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I believe he will be worth 9.5 million on a long term contract but I wouldn’t pay him that if I were the leafs I could see him pulling a Seguin.

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21 Oct 2018 14:04:19
coming from the guy who thinks Stamkos>Mathews and Crosby—>Fantasy league.

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