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02 Aug 2019 11:25:11
Buffalo- Rasmus Ristolainen

Winnipeg- Dimitry Kulikov (cap dump), 2nd round 2020 and 3rd round 2020

Buffalo- can eat Kulikovs contract for a season and get back 2 draft picks for a deffensman who is useless with Dahlin on the top pp

Winnipeg- gets a 3rd pairing dman who can chip in on the 2nd pp. he could become a decent player without the minutes he's getting in buffalo many argue he wouldn't be the the worst defensive player in the game with a sheltered role.

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1.) 02 Aug 2019 12:53:06
Look Vb Ik you hate the guy but put him on just about any team and he’s a top-4 D man. If traded then Buffalo will probably get close to what habs traded to get Petry. A good level prospect (at the time) with a second and third.


2.) 02 Aug 2019 13:22:18
No thanks. Risto is as bad as Kulikov, but has a worse contract.


3.) 02 Aug 2019 13:57:36
I don’t hate Risto he’s something like Chris Kriender definitely shouldn’t be a dman but he’d be a good 2nd line forward.


4.) 02 Aug 2019 16:37:54
“Risto is as bad as Kulikov”, other than the fact that Ristolainen matched Kulikov’s career point total in just the last 4 seasons. Ristolainen is also 4 years younger. You say a lot of dumb, bias things Joe but this is bad.


5.) 02 Aug 2019 18:35:36
MTL gave a 2rd pick and a conditional 5th Rd pick for Jeff Petry. They're was no prospect and 3 Rd pick.


6.) 02 Aug 2019 18:57:44
Ya sorry I was thinking of the Vanek trade and mixed those up sorry about that.


7.) 02 Aug 2019 23:42:47
Petry=Risto.


 

 

26 Jul 2019 21:50:43
Edmonton- Patrick Hornqvist

Pittsburgh- James Neal ( 1 million retained ), Jesse Puljujarvi and 2nd 2020

Edmonton- gets rid of a cap dump and brings in an effective player in Hornqvist.

Pittsburgh- takes a flyer on Neal hoping reunited chemistry Sparks his play and also get two prospects to help with their poor prospect group.

*maybe Pittsburgh adds a conditional pick based on Puljujarvi's performance.

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1.) 26 Jul 2019 23:50:31
This is so bad man.
Sorry Leafs17, didn’t mean to hurt your feeling.

Can you believe the Oilers got Neal for Lucic!? Didn’t even have to give a 1st away with him like Dubas had to do with a bad contract.
The Oilers are keeping Neal and he’ll bounce back with at least 20 goals. Make my words. I’ll eat them if he bombs, and if he does, his contract is insanely better to buy out than Lucic. Great gamble. Great trade. This pprooosed trade by you is garbage. Lol.


2.) 27 Jul 2019 01:52:12
Well Dubas did not have to take James Neal’s contract back in the deal either.

I think Holland did well in this deal and agree Neal could bounce back, but that’s still a boat anchor of a contract at this point. He traded what was most certainly crap for different crap that may or may not be less crappy.

I agree this proposed deal stinks though and Edmonton is way better off just keeping Neal and giving him every chance to succeed (lots of PP/ McDavid time) .


3.) 27 Jul 2019 02:23:59
Yupp no matter how you look at it Neal is still garbage not Lucic garbage because no one is but he has negative value Hornqvist is still very good. No ones denying he won’t score 20 but aside from that he contributes nothing.


4.) 27 Jul 2019 04:11:49
Pittsburgh traded neal away to get hornqvist.

Their prospect pool is thin, but they're still in win mode, not time to tear down yet.


5.) 27 Jul 2019 07:15:11
i'd do it from edmonton perspective, but i'd think they'd give neal a chance to play with mcdavid/ drais/ rnh before trading him right away, they just got neal.


6.) 27 Jul 2019 13:16:07
I didn’t make the post but thanks for thinking of me. It must suck obsessing over a complete stranger.


 

 

25 Jul 2019 22:43:28
Toronto- Mitch Marner

Ottawa- Tkachuk, JG Pageau And 1st 2020 ( big question mark but a lot of value make it 1st overall protected )

Toronto- Gets a high risk pick with Ottawa's 1st in 2020 could potentially be a star. Brady Tkachuk brings a different playing style to the leafs and Pageau is a decent replacement for Kadri

Ottawa: gets the best U25 winger in the game. Who can instantly wear the C and lead the team.

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1.) 25 Jul 2019 23:00:23
Leafs don’t need a replacement for kadri, they already got Kerfoot and locked him at a comparable to kadri contract. Don’t thinknits smart to move marner to a division rival. Same could be said with Ottawa. If marner is moved to don’t think it’ll be to s team in the east especially for a player that isn’t the same caliber (not that tkachuk couldn’t be or won’t be) but tkachuk may or may not be all he’s was hyped up to be. If the leafs trade marner they either should take 4 firsts or a player that is currently close to his caliber.


2.) 25 Jul 2019 23:22:25
Kerfoot is a very poor Center and prefers playing wing. I’d rather try Kappanen as the 3C then Kerfoot. Kerfoot was the LW with Mackinnon and Rantanen for the most part. Pageau is an excellent shutdown guy something like Danault but maybe not as good offensively.


3.) 26 Jul 2019 00:51:14
Vb where did you get that Kerfoot is “a very poor centre”?
I know damn well you east coast kid didn’t watch any Colorado games. He might prefer to play wing, but that doesn’t mean he is “a very poor centre”.

Now on the trade. Personally, I don’t see why’s Ottawa would need Marner. Like I said before, on the Senators he’d probably finish with like 70 points.
JG Pageau has very little value imo because of his salary. He’s a bottom 6 player that gets laid 3.1M.


4.) 26 Jul 2019 00:55:46
Marner is not worth that, actually Tkachuck is worth more then Marner. If you look where Marner was at his age Tkachuck is looking like he can become, by a huge difference, better then Marner.


5.) 26 Jul 2019 04:12:25
VB where did you see Kerfoot played wing with Mac and Rantanen most the time? I was pretty sure Landeskog played with them like 95% of the time or something and Kerfoot Centered a line with like Ghetto and Wilson. I could be wrong I’m just curious because so much was made about that one Colorado line and their dependence on it.


6.) 26 Jul 2019 06:33:37
What Detroit is saying is obv not true, Marner is def the better player compared to Tkachuk. With that being said, there is no way OTT trades another sure fire top 3 pick.


7.) 26 Jul 2019 08:26:53
Go on HFboards and look at Colorado fans opinions of Kerfoot.


8.) 26 Jul 2019 08:55:02
Vb
Oh, so what you’re saying is you’re stealing people opinions without developing your own?


9.) 26 Jul 2019 13:05:24
Well I mean being in Atlantic time you can’t watch a lot of western conference games and the ones I watch are usually Canadian teams.


10.) 26 Jul 2019 15:28:51
Pageau is not an adequate replacement for Kadri. It would be better if he was just left altogether and simply made it Marner for Tkachuk and 1st.

Marner is by far the superior player at this moment. That may or may not change in the future, but it most definitely holds true for now.


11.) 26 Jul 2019 18:48:45
Then you aren’t qualified to say Kerfoot sucks at centre.


12.) 26 Jul 2019 19:06:08
Well Kerfoot was minus 13 as a centre last year played majority of the time on the wing also landy moved up and down the lineup after further research he was moved to spread out scoring and was their best defensive forward. I just watched 2 hours of video on Kerfoot and he dosent impress me much his defensive stats are deceiving and from what I saw while he does have solid playmaking potential he’s definitely nothing special scored 3 really nice goals.


13.) 26 Jul 2019 20:05:17
@vbb Kerfoot is a fine center. I seen him play a few times, more his first season than last year, he was not a stand out either way good or bad. He played a good game. He will be a good third line center. While he doesn’t exactly drive the play, he also doesn’t make many mistakes, and can play both ends of the ice.


 

 

24 Jul 2019 13:15:09
LA- Tyler Tofoli And Alec Martinez

Montreal- 1st 2020 and an okay prospect

LA- gets rid of 2 veteran players to allow the a rebuild to occur while acquiring a 1st.

Montreal- gets 2 solid veteran players who both fill needs.

Montreal then signs Gardiner to a cheaper contract most likely.

Gardiner-Weber
Martinez-Petry
Chariot-Mete/Juulsen

vbbbvvbb

1.) 24 Jul 2019 13:35:19
that'd be a pretty solid D core. made even better with price in net too.


2.) 24 Jul 2019 14:14:03
Bergevin has never traded a 1st round pick and with the draft in Montreal next year I'd be thinking they would really like to keep this one. If they were to trade it it would be for someone younger I believe. Also this gives Montreal 27 nhl contracts. now when Weise and alzner get sent to Laval it will be down to 25 but they would still have to give away 2 more players to make this work. Also with the contracts of toffoli and Martinez I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have the cap to sign gardiner.


3.) 24 Jul 2019 15:06:58
Right I forgot yah that pick won’t be traded and they could make room fairly easily.


4.) 24 Jul 2019 15:48:29
I like the players and it would make habs a better team but I don’t see room on the roster for either as there top 9 is already solid and wingers aren’t really what they need as they have a bunch. And for D they have an ok D core but I think you forgot about how many they have already as they have lots of NHL D they might be 4-7 D on teams but still lots that won’t make it through waivers.


5.) 24 Jul 2019 17:44:37
Some room could be made easily vbbbb but I don't think enough could be made to make a gardiner signing worthwhile. Like peca and Hudon and Reilly or folin could be moved or put on waivers but it still wouldn't create the space to sign gardiner.


6.) 25 Jul 2019 01:29:50
Martinez>Muzzin but still no from mtl.


7.) 25 Jul 2019 01:55:25
I kinda think Toffoli is worth a 1st on his own. Maybe even Martinez too. Muzzin brought a first and he’s not really a whole lot bettter than Martinez, if at all. LA would want more.


 

 

20 Jul 2019 22:56:32
Toronto: Mitch Marner, Garett Sparks ( cap ) and Timothy Lilijgren

Calgary: Mathew Tkachuk, Sam Bennet And Rasmus Andersson

Calgary- Gets a star player who can play in all situations and has potential to be the best point producer in the whole NHL who also fits Calgary's position of need while playing a strong defensive game. Lilijgren replaces Rasmus Andersson.

Toronto: Gets a physical presence that they're missing with Both Tkachuk and Bennet. Rasmus Andersson fills the role beside Rielly on the top pairing

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1.) 20 Jul 2019 23:24:39
No thanks from Calgary, Marner is good but TK plays a special roll, and Ras looks really really good.


2.) 20 Jul 2019 23:55:15
Calgary is giving important pieces away. No from both teams, i don't think toronto would wanna let Marner go and calgary wouldn't wanna give tkachuk away or pay 13mil for 1 player


3.) 21 Jul 2019 12:05:16
Mitch Marner slightly worth more than Tkachuk.
Bennett >> Sparks
Andersson > Liljijgren

Calgary loses this one. Too many pieces of their team leaving for one forward.


4.) 21 Jul 2019 13:31:53
Marner is not worth Slightly more then Tkachuk. The gap between Marner and Tkachuk is like the gap between McDavid and Eichel.


5.) 21 Jul 2019 14:38:22
I do think Marner’s skill level is much higher than Tkachuk but Calgary still gives up too much. I’d take that deal as a leaf fan.


6.) 21 Jul 2019 15:03:51
Marner will not get 13 million.


7.) 21 Jul 2019 17:16:54
Marner is overrated enormously on this site. Now being compared to McDavid? Seriously? He compares to Johnny Gaudreau and maybe Patty Kane. Not McDavid.


8.) 21 Jul 2019 17:45:41
Guadreau is smaller and a lot worse defensively Kane is a fair comparison.


9.) 21 Jul 2019 18:16:56
Tkachuk and marner have similar value, even if marner is worth a tiny bit more the rest of the trade is so lopsided in Toronto's favor it's not even remotely a fair trade for Calgary. Just to let the leafs fans in this site know, no one wants sparks. He has little value unless your team is lacking an ahl goalie.


10.) 21 Jul 2019 19:10:49
Every player that has some contact with the Leafs is going to get over valued. You know points aren’t everything right? Tkachuk is much more physical, better PK, better goal scorer and I’m sure there are more. Tkachuk is the best power forward in the NHL right now.

According to Leafs fans Cody Ceci now has value? lol what.


11.) 21 Jul 2019 20:16:14
Vbb’s wasn’t comparing Marner to McDavid. Do you even know how to read Mantha? What vbb’s was saying is that Marner has way more value than Tkachuk in his mind. Just as McDavid has way more value than Eichel.


12.) 21 Jul 2019 20:32:47
Tkachuk is better than Marner on the PK TyBa4? Are you pulling that out of your donkey's ass? Marner is an excellent penalty killer. No Ceci does not have value, neither does Sparks.


13.) 21 Jul 2019 21:03:59
Garret Sparks is a cap dump no one is implying he has positive value and Tkachuk is not better on the PK and Tkachuk Is not even close to being the best power forwards in the NHL Blake Wheeler, Ovie ( plays a hybrid style ), Jamie Benn, etc are better.


14.) 21 Jul 2019 23:38:53
Tkachuk also plays on calgarys best shut down line. Plays with two defensive minded players and still had 34 goals. If he played with gudreau and Monahan he'd match marner in points. Marner also gets a lot more offensive zone starts.


15.) 22 Jul 2019 00:10:22
Vbb, tkachuk had more goals then wheeler and benn. And guess what. they have better linemates. And tkachuk is a year younger so might hit 90 points next year. If tkachuk hits 90 next year he's easily better player at the same age.


16.) 22 Jul 2019 13:15:09
He played on the top pp this year and Calgary’s top pp this year which was very good if the leafs PP was strong Marner could’ve easily put up 115 points. Marner also plays on the leafs top PK and dosent cost multiple games by taking stupid penalties.


17.) 24 Jul 2019 18:58:01
Vbb tk might take some penalties, but he also draws close to the most more than makes up for it.


 

 

 

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08 Aug 2019 14:09:47
Who do you guys think would win? U26 All world vs all world 26+.

Draistle-McDavid-Kucherov
Guadreau-Mackinnon-Rantanen
Laine-Mathews-Marner
Eichel-Barkov-Pasternak

Rielly-Jones
Dahlin-Klingburg
Slavin-Paryanko/Trouba

Vaisalavski
Gibson

Vs

Ovechkin-Crosby-Kane
Stamkos-Tavares-Seguin
Hall-Malkin-Wheeler
Marchand-Bergeron-Kopitar

Hedman-Karlsson
Josi-Doughty
Girodano-Burns

Price
Bobrovski

Note: as you can see defence takes a lot longer to develop may be common knowledge for some but this is proof.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 08 Aug 2019 15:03:37
LOL.
I love how you won't shut up about Marner but put him in the third line behind Rantanen.


2.) 08 Aug 2019 16:41:17
It’s a chemistry thing. If you knew anything about coaching you build lines around centres so McDavid being the best would get the player he has the most chemistry with (Drais) even tho Marner, Guadreau, Pasta, Barkov, Eichel etc are all better. Rantanen Is on the 2nd line because he has experience playing Mackinnon Great chemistry and Switching Marner to LW on the line over Guadreau would be redundant as the both have similar styles and offensive impact even tho Marner may be better he’s dropped to the 3rd line to play with Mathews and be able to feed the second to best shot in the game in Laine. The 2nd,3rd And 4th line are about equal imo they’d get the same amount of playing time you could make a strong argument for the 4th line being better then the 2nd.


3.) 08 Aug 2019 16:43:55
What’s also scary is there is only 5 Canadians on the U26 team.


4.) 08 Aug 2019 18:51:47
Marner points last three seasons. 61/ 69/ 95.
Driasitl points last three seasons. 77/ 70/ 105.
Both play with very good line mates. Sorry, who’s better? Drai $8.5M locked up longest term possible. Marner wanting a lot more for less term, to go through this all again soon? Marner and Mathews are the two most overrated, over hyped players I’ve maybe ever seen. Add Subban to those two. And when Marner isn’t 1st or 2nd (to Mcdavid) in league scoring this summer will you admit that you’re a clueless biased homer?


5.) 08 Aug 2019 18:58:48
I’ll never say I’m biased what other player on the leafs do I overvalue? Marner is a year younger then Drais and played with garbage linemates Tavares and Hyman are both garbage compared to him. Drais is a product of McDavid.


6.) 08 Aug 2019 18:59:35
Also the two years prior was an development curve for him.


7.) 08 Aug 2019 19:08:44
Lmao. Tavares is garbage? Tavares is better than Marner to a ton of people. Wow. You really are delusional. And Drai is a beast, Mcdavid helps but you can’t deny how unreal a talent he has. Marner is very very very good, I’ve watched him a lot, but man, right now, Drai is better and it’s not even a question. Marner can surpass him this season, sure. But right now, No. Hats just your biased opinion and projections. The stats and facts and points point to Drai. Right now.

Oh and I would take the top young group. I like a lot of those players. Mcdavid, Drai, McKinnon, Pasta, Barkov, Rantanen.


8.) 08 Aug 2019 19:35:48
Tavares is not garbage. And Drais also brings in a lot more of a physical element compared to Marner.


9.) 08 Aug 2019 21:16:20
This is a direct quote from VB.

''24 Apr 2019 18:33:18
I’m not sure anyone implied that leafs players have much value.

Mathews and Tavares top 10 Cs- Facts undebatable''

If you would all like to verify, go to mememarcus' account and look at the talk post he made about the Leafs and the Panthers.


10.) 08 Aug 2019 22:10:30
Well are they not top 10Cs? And yes Tavares is garbage compared to Marner everyone in the leafs organization is compared to him. Sure Drais is more Physical and is the better power forward no doubt yes stats show that he had 10 more points they also show he gets much, much more offensive opportunity and has better linemates then Marner. Well visit this discussion after next season.


11.) 09 Aug 2019 05:22:47
vbb’s you’ve lost it eh? Nobody is saying Marner is not good, but everyone else in the organization is garbage compared to him? That’s pretty funny.


12.) 09 Aug 2019 06:06:27
Matthews finished 23 among centres in total points and he is on a stacked team.
Centres like Brayden Point (7th) Elias Lindholm (17th) and Sean Couturier (19th) finished ahead of him.

So. how is Matthews a top 10 centre?


13.) 09 Aug 2019 14:03:03
He was injured lol he was like 3rd in PPG.


 

 

27 Jul 2019 14:09:56
Just curious who do you guys think has more value within the league?

Marner or Mathews

Nylander or Tavares

For me I'd take Marner like I've said he'll be battling McDavid for scoring titles for years to come. Although he will never be the goal scorer Mathews is he's debatably the best playmaker in the game.

I'd take Nylander over Tavares he has high upside and is much younger and cheaper.

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1.) 27 Jul 2019 23:05:54
lol marner battling Mcdavid.
If McDavid was on the leafs he’d put up 140 points.

LOL. NYLANDER OVER TAVARES WHAAAAA?


2.) 28 Jul 2019 03:18:58
11 million for Tavares vs 7 mil for a 23 year old Nylander.


3.) 28 Jul 2019 03:19:46
Also the number McDavid would put up on the leafs are irrelevant in this discussion.


4.) 29 Jul 2019 06:22:03
Marner is the better player compared to AM, but I think "the league" would value AM slightly higher.

Tavares hands down.

And btw, no, Marner won't battle McDavid lol. Weird way to spell "Kucherov"


5.) 29 Jul 2019 19:54:52
He will tho that’s the thing.


6.) 31 Jul 2019 07:34:29
Your head must be really brown, VB, eh?
I mean, as much as you shove it up Marner's you know what.


 

 

22 Jul 2019 13:41:01
I making this post to try to put aside people's leaf hate and show how good Marner really is.

Marner led the leafs in points this year while playing on the top PK and playing a low amount of 5v5 time and weaker pp then the others I'm about to list. Obviously 94 points is a weak season for Marner and next year will hopefully be a huge year.

All these players are at 22 years old.

Mitch Marner- 82GP 26G 68A 94P

Nathen Mackinnon-82GP 16G 37A 53P

Nikita Kucherov- 77GP 30G 36A 66P

Patrick Kane- 82GP 23G 43A 66P

Taylor Hall- 53GP 14G 24A 38P

Sydney Crosby- 77GP 33G 70A 103P

Johnny Guadreau- 72GP 18G 43A 61P

Leon Draistle- 78GP 25G 45A 70P

Aleksander Barkov- 61GP 21G 31A 52P

Connor McDavid- 78GP 41G 75A 116P

Jack Eichel- 77GP 28G 54A 82P

As you guys can see Marner is pretty good so shouldn't he be worth more then all those guys besides McDavid? I'll repeat some players take longer to break out and Marner is one of them.

vbbbvvbb

1.) 22 Jul 2019 14:44:53
I've always thought Marner was a damn good player. it's the other guy who has made me a Leafs hater.


2.) 22 Jul 2019 15:05:03
Yeah Sosa I wasn’t referring to you with this post you seem pretty unbiased unless it comes to American players.


3.) 22 Jul 2019 15:16:27
Not even so much the American thing . I jus seen a cockiness about him. but, I've let that go. he's a damn good player. Jus think he could be the peice to really put the Leafs over the top.
I believe Marner will battle McDavid for scoring titles for years to come. He will at least be a perennial top 10 scorer in league for next 10 years or so.


4.) 22 Jul 2019 16:01:38
You must really hate Liane, Kuznetzkov, Ovie and Josh Ho Sang then.


5.) 22 Jul 2019 16:14:51
Kuznetsov yes. If I was playing he'd get a cross check to the head. he's worse than Mathews. Ovi. well a little, but he can back it up. Laine is amazing one of my favs. Ho Sang. can't back it up
But anyway, that's all last year stuff. maybe Mathews jus goes and scores goals, celebrates like the classy guys and I like him again. Really liked him his rookie year. thought he was a good humble kid.


6.) 22 Jul 2019 18:41:25
Just going to post some stats since this is always your go to argument I. e. Kucherov. 1) Marner got over a minute and a half and 5 shifts more per game last year than Kucherov did that season. 2) Marner has Tavares, Kucherov had Palat and Johnson (40 and 38 points) . 3) Kucherov also led his team in scoring. Tampa was middle of the pack in scoring but top 5 in goals against, very defence oriented that year. 4) Tampa had the 3rd worst PP in the league that year at 15.77%. For comparison Toronto was 8th last year at 21.8%. 5) In total last year Marner had about 150 more 5on5 minutes than Kucherov that year and 225 more minutes total (roughly 40 fewer PP minutes) . 6) I’m not going to argue Marner is not a good defensive forward, he is, but he was the 4th Leafs forward in SH TOI and 5th in SH TOI/ Game at just under a minute in a half. So while he was used on the PK, it wasn’t an absurd amount he was their last forward in the rotation. The next lowest forward after him was Tavares at 12 seconds a game. He played twice as much on the PP as PK. Leafs were the least penalized team in the league they didn’t have that much PK time to hand out. Nobody is saying Marner isn’t a stud, but again saying he’s more valuable than Kucherov because he did more with more opportunity doesn’t hit home to me. Not to mention Kucherov is locked in long term for likely cheaper and is right now the better player. You talk about players taking longer to break out like it applies to Marner more than someone like Kucherov.


7.) 22 Jul 2019 21:00:36
Thanks for saving me the pain jbs32.
there’s really very little point in proving VB wrong with stats as he’ll find new ones and bend them to fit his own narrative. the kid has very little hockey knowledge that isn’t about the leafs.


8.) 22 Jul 2019 22:01:49
I’m not going to go in depth about the Kucherov argument I’ll leave it at they’re both great players with Kucherov being better right now. That’s 1 player on the list. Also TyBa4 I’ve played hockey since I was 4.


9.) 22 Jul 2019 23:29:15
There are about 6 or 7 more guys on the list that the same argument can be made for vbbb. Also a lot of the guys on that list play center which according to most everyone makes them more valuable. I think you misinterpret people's arguing with your extreme bias for marner with marner hate. There is a difference. I think marner is a real good player and was the leafs best player this year but there is only 3 guys on that list I would take him over right now and one of those is just because of age. in a playoff series right now I probably don't take him over anyone on the list. And depending on his new contract which by all reports seems like it's going to be big he may not have more value then anyone there when this season starts except maybe Taylor hall.


10.) 23 Jul 2019 02:13:04
Seems like a pretty good argument vbb but he also plays with Rielly, Hyman & Tavares who are respectable really good players. Who got to take that into perspective. he's also on the powerplay unit with Matthews, Johnsson, Rielly, Tavares. Like you got to think about all of that, like how does he get his points and if you show who he plays with then it makes a lot of sense


11.) 23 Jul 2019 05:47:54
This Marner/ Kucherov stuff is getting ridiculous. Kucherov had an amazing year plain and simple. If Marner can match that I would be impressed. Give it up vbb’s, I’ve played hockey since I was 4 also. It doesn’t mean you’re god’s gift to hockey. To Moneyhands point though, most people on this site would say Hyman is garbage.


12.) 23 Jul 2019 07:31:23
What, besides of all the correct arguments jbs and others made, is also a factor is that many of those other players' 22 year old seasons where in years when scoring was waaay down compared to how high it was last year. Like, without having checked any specific numbers, I bet Kane's 66 pts from 2010 maybe? equate to 80 in last years numbers easily.


13.) 23 Jul 2019 10:02:33
Didn't Kane have an 88 point season and a stanley cup by that age?


14.) 23 Jul 2019 12:59:45
80 points would still be 14 less so I don’t get your point?


15.) 23 Jul 2019 14:06:19
First of all, league wide scoring was up this year. So 90 points this year isn't as impressive as 5 or so years ago (still impressive tho) Secondly, most of these guys are centers, who are generally valued more. And third, Marner was playing in a better situation then most of these guys, on a line with a centre who scored 47 goals while shooting 16.4%. A lot of guys on this list were stuck on bad teams for the first couple years of their careers.


 

 

02 Jul 2019 15:47:23
Wow just wow okay this is an amazing deal for the leafs I can't say how pleased I am with Kyle Dubas on this one

Toronto: Nazim Kadri, Calle Rosen And 3rd round 2020

Colorado: Tyson Barrie ( 50% retained ), Alex Kerfoot and 6th round 2020

Toronto- Gets a perfect rental dman most likely in Barrie, a 3C replacement who should be cheap and only scored 2 points less then Kadri.

Colorado- Gets the 2C they're desperate for should be a 30 goal guy again easily

Leafs lines 2019-2020

Johnsson-Mathews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Kerfoot-Spezza-Kappanen
I'm really not sure what the 4th line is but it's going to decent

Rielly-Ceci
Muzzin-Barrie
Dermotte-Mancrin/Gravel/Lilijgren/Sandin

Andersson

Some how the leafs managed to make them selves even better.

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1.) 02 Jul 2019 17:11:58
Defence is better forwards are a little worse.


2.) 02 Jul 2019 19:24:53
I don’t think the forwards are worse.

I don’t think Kerfoot is as good as Kadri but Marleau was getting way too much ice time and all of the young guys in theory should still be getting stronger and better at this point in their careers.


3.) 02 Jul 2019 19:46:21
Habby as long as Babcock isn’t an idiot and puts Nylander with Mathews the forwards will be a lot better. I’ll guarantee Nylander Is going to be PPG+ if he plays with Mathews for the WHOLE season. Marner and Mathews are going to improve most likely.


4.) 02 Jul 2019 21:02:11
They are worse because you only have 3 lines that will have to wear them down as the season goes on lol marleau is better then spezza but I’d have to have kappenen instead of Hyman in the top six. Hyman kerfoot and spezza might not be a bad line but your right if the young guys improve and take another step they will be better.


5.) 02 Jul 2019 21:26:28
I know everyone is going to disagree with me, but I still think Leafs need someone with an edge, some nastiness and toughness. Kassian. the one guy who had an edge is gone. would be nice when other teams rough up Mathews, Marner and Nylander, Tavares someone keeps the other guys honest.


6.) 02 Jul 2019 21:56:08
I agree Sosa.


7.) 03 Jul 2019 02:30:40
I’ve been saying this too Sosa. Need some truculence, lol.


8.) 03 Jul 2019 04:25:20
Do you really need toughness now though?


9.) 03 Jul 2019 04:44:26
I truly believe you do in the playoffs habby. The refs often put the whistles away and some teams can’t handle it. In the regular season I don’t think it’s as important but it’s nice having a guy to make sure nobody takes a run at your star players.


10.) 03 Jul 2019 05:16:59
You can add some grit at the deadline if need be.


11.) 03 Jul 2019 06:16:20
If you had cap space I'm sure Vegas would be tickled pink to get rid of reeves.


 

 

02 Jul 2019 13:24:57
I made a post about the Barrie trade but it didn't go through but here are the lines for 2019-2020.

Johnsson-Mathews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Kerfoot-Spezza-Kappanen
Moore-Gauthier- a few players will battle for this spot.

Rielly-Caci
Muzzin-Barrie
Dermotte-Lilijgren/Saindin/Mancarinin/Harpur/Gravel

This is a very solid lineup that could potentially win the cup but I think the leafs may need to dump sparks and Horton to meet the offseason cap compliance deadline while signing Marner, Ceci and Kerfoot with only 11 million in cap space.

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1.) 02 Jul 2019 15:35:14
And the cup predictions are already started lol.


2.) 02 Jul 2019 16:22:28
Saying “could potentially win the cup” is not a cup prediction I think Tampa bay and Maybe even Philadelphia if Carter Hart is as good as I think he is will be better but IMO the leafs are definitely better then the bruins on paper at the moment. I think West is very weak but obviously Winnipeg, San Jose, Saint Louis And Nashville are contenders.


3.) 03 Jul 2019 01:32:36
Leafs been better on paper then the Bruins for years.


4.) 03 Jul 2019 05:17:34
What about this comment leafs17? I guess you didn’t see this one.


5.) 03 Jul 2019 14:49:32
I call vbb’s out more than anyone habby. Saying that line up could potentially win the cup is just a fact. Nobody is planning a parade like you guys suggest. If you’re suggesting this is a positive comment from you towards the leafs, read it again. The leafs are better on paper but can’t beat the Bruins habby. Sounds like a subtle way of saying that Toronto is not better than Boston. I’ll give you the one comment that you said their team improved this year but you usually throw a jab with every response.


6.) 03 Jul 2019 17:41:58
Well if we are going to put our own twist on every comment we can change it to mean anything.


7.) 03 Jul 2019 17:44:37
There is about 20 teams in the league who on paper could look like a cup contender I mean even I could say like vbb if montreals young guys take the next step and price plays like his hart trophy winning season and poehling continues his 3 goal a game pace that Montreal will be a contender.


8.) 03 Jul 2019 17:47:10
We said the blues had a shot last year but nobody was saying it around Christmas in fact they were probably one more loss away from tearing it down and tanking the season that's how fast things can change.


9.) 03 Jul 2019 17:52:21
you guys been saying the same thing for years cup contender cup contender cup favourite lol give it a rest. You got talent on the team it's going to win a lot of games everyone already know this . You think your roster is better Tampa for example? They didn't win the cup last year and if we are just going by what's on paper your going to have to beat them to get there. Maybe even meet them in the 1st round.


10.) 03 Jul 2019 17:59:05
So let's say you lose 1st round again this year muzzin or Barrie is gone and replaced by sandin for example are you a cup contender then cause I'm sure we will here it again or will it be because of the coach you know that guy who is the best coach in the world lol. We got guys on here who think marner is the best player in the world and that garret sparks can actually return an all star in a trade. like chill out this team right from the players to the front office have done nothing yet at least wait until they do before declaring them greatest of all times. That's all i'm trying to say.


11.) 03 Jul 2019 18:04:34
Sometimes you have to say an extra negative thing to bring guys back to reality. I mean 3 weeks ago you guys would have called Ceci the worst dman in the league and now somehow he's on the first defence pair on a cup contender lol. You see what I'm getting at here? I say negative things about the leafs sometimes I mean it sometimes I say it to dispute an overblown statement by a leaf fan.


12.) 03 Jul 2019 18:06:23
Can you imagine how misarable this site would be for non leaf fans if we agreed with everything that was posted about the leafs?


13.) 04 Jul 2019 01:31:59
He who replies the most must be right.


14.) 04 Jul 2019 04:57:46
Hey I thought you weren’t talking to me lol.


 

 

 

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