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21 Jul 2018 01:35:01
Sens trade: Rambo

Jets trade: memarcusjoe

Both teams send the respective paint chip eaters to the minors to work on their proposal bias.

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19 Jul 2018 16:02:37
When the Leafs signed Marleau (3x6.25) I was excited because it kinda signifies the end of the rebuild and was significant because a great player who could go anywhere came here, meaning we were becoming a destination again.

But like a lot of fans, I was skeptical of the 3rd year. He was 37 and his contract would now overlap Matthews and Marners extensions. We had to give it to him because San Jose was offering him 2 years.

I just read an article however showing that he has played 706 consecutive games, has missed a total of 31 games in 20 NHL seasons and has averaged 30 goals (29.7) per season since 2009 (age 30-39). He may be one of the best players to have that longevity we have seen. A freak ageless wonder athlete like Selanne and Jagr.

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19 Jul 2018 18:10:25
He plays a speed game don’t really think he can be as effective as Jagar and Selanne but you never know.

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19 Jul 2018 18:53:05
Great player who could go anywhere? I don't recall there being a huge bidding war over him lol. I'm pretty sure he came to toronto because they were probably the only team that offered him that 3rd year. he has been really durable his whole career that's why he can still play at his age that on top of being a really good skater. Should hold off on the jagr and selanne comparisons though. He was never near those two guys they were elite/ great marleau even when he was at his best was still just good. But at least it shows along with the tavares signing that at least good Ontario born players don't mind signing in toronto now. that wasn't always the case as we both know.

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19 Jul 2018 18:56:23
That was suppose to read with the tavares signing not along with tavares. I'm aware marleau was born in sask. i was implying marleau came for the money. Tavares came cause he wanted to play here.

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19 Jul 2018 21:38:31
@Habby

I don’t doubt he had options. I don’t mean he had 30 teams in a bidding war, just that he had a choice, held the cards and came here when his only chance nnextion was playing a cpl tournaments with Babcock. (And Babcock actually cut him from world juniors in his draft year)

And comparing him to Selanne/ Jagr wasn’t directly related to their point totals or whatever. It was to their longevity and the fact that they are 2 players who’s game never dropped off from where it was even into their late 30s and early 40s. I was comparing the lack of drop off in production, not where their numbers were to begin with. I never said he’s as good as either of those players lol.

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20 Jul 2018 03:27:09
Ok I can't argue with that. I'm curious to see his production over the next 2 years. I think he moves down the totem pole at least one notch this season with the arrival of tavares . might see his totals drop a little. He should still be a useful player for them though for the remainder of his contract.

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20 Jul 2018 14:17:29
Yeah. They say he’s a fitness freak that takes great care of his body which has always been the constant of these athletes that last the longest. He was even trying to convince marner and Matthews to pick up a cpl of his habits. Says he takes all his gear off and has a 5 minute ice bath between each period lol but a guy that has had over 30 goals 7 times, 35+ 3 Times and a 44 goal season while averaging 29 for a 20 year career, I’m okay with calling ‘great’ lol.

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20 Jul 2018 19:06:19
marleaus production drop off this season because of tavares? you mean going from kadri centering your line to jt centering your line means less production? i'll beleive it when i see it.

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20 Jul 2018 20:39:25
He is starting on Matthews wing with Nylander on the other side Babcock said. I like his chances of staying around the 27 goals he had last year and maybe adding a few more to his 20 assists. I could see a 25G 30-35A season.

JT is starting with Marner and Hyman if nothing changes before camp.

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18 Jul 2018 21:51:01
If you were Ottawa would you rather have sergachev or point as the main piece coming back in the karlsson trade? Why?

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18 Jul 2018 23:08:24
If I were Yzerman I’d say you’re not getting either you can give me him for Foote+ or let him walk and sign with us as a UFA.

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18 Jul 2018 23:21:15
I would think Sergachev but could see advantages to both. I just think they have White, Tkachuk, chlapik, brown up front and really only Chabot as a good D prospect. I’d say losing Karlsson would open up a need for Sergachev more. However if it’s sergachev/ raddysh or point/ Foote then it makes it close either way.

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19 Jul 2018 00:35:58
I wouldn't be surprised if Yzerman was able to make a trade and not give up either one of them.
Tough choice tho in my opinion. I really don't know which of the two I would want from an Ottawa stand point. I'm stumped on that one.

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19 Jul 2018 03:06:23
Tough call, sens have brown and white who at this point may still be good centres so sergachev would be good as the center piece of a trade, as their only really promising d prospect is chabot, but on the flip side if sens aren’t comfortable with the colour tandem as their future centerman then point would be center peoce. tough call. If I were sens I’d want both of them, it’s not everyday a team gets a chance to acquire a franchise d man on his prime when your team is in win now mode.

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19 Jul 2018 04:46:28
I feel like its obviously Point. And i also feel like he isn't really on the table. he's young, going into last year of ELC and has shown he can take over games at both ends of the ice. he's a 22 year old 30 goal scorer and all star who was often played in a shut down role. Sergachev is a good young piece but Point is a young established top 6C you can play against another teams top line.

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19 Jul 2018 10:04:12
0% chance they are getting point and I feel if SY was willing to include Sergachev, the trade would be done by now. So. prolly neither.

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19 Jul 2018 13:07:16
Triplets I disagree. I think Sergachev is on the table. It was reported they had a deal in place before Melnyk nixed it because it didn't include Ryan and Sergachev was the main piece bacl (and what separated Tampa from DAL/ VGK)

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19 Jul 2018 14:26:52
Point is a really good young player and I would t want to trade him if I was a lightning fan. But the whole “all-star” thing is a stretch. He was a late addition for an injury replacement which they try to give to players on the host team first. He didn’t crack top 40 in scoring among forwards, so when 24 forwards are selected to go, I think it’s obvious there were more deserving. Not trying to devalue the guy but his all star appearance was not deserved like most players were.

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19 Jul 2018 17:07:51
Well @ Unbiased Jim, it was only Points sophomore year and his value does not is not only reflected on the score sheet.
He was voted 8th for the Selke trophy at just 22 years old. Guess that says a lot about his defensive abilities, will definitely earn a few Selke nominations if not trophies in the future, imo.

@jbs: Well, none of the big trustworthy insiders actually ever reported anything like that, or did they? (or anything of substance at all, really) . It's an assumption as much as it was an assumption that the trade was "as good as done". It might be true and he might give up Sergachev, but I really feel like the longer it takes the worse it'll be for the Sens.

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19 Jul 2018 18:05:20
@triplets. I agree. He’s a great young player, and like I said I wouldn’t want him included in a deal if I were you. I was just saying his all star appearance wasn’t earned so I don’t see that as a point to bring up discussing his trade value. He’s the type of guy you win with tho and has enough legitimate great attributes to bring up that a pity invite to the all star game doesn’t need to be one of them.

And when I said he didn’t crack top 40 in scoring, I don’t mean only scoring matters in the NHL But for all star selection, faceoff percentage and ability to shadow a star isn’t really taken into consideration. That’s the point I was making that I didn’t think was hard to recognize. Brian Boyle was at that game too for hometown/ sentimental reasons and he’s good defensively but I’m not going to call him an all star from now on.

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19 Jul 2018 19:33:00
When it comes to All Star its by division. At that point in time he was 5th amongst forwards in division and goals and 9th in points while putting up Selke vote getting D. Being home may have given him an edge on all star replacement but wasnt the sole reason. I think to say a player at a 0.9 PPG pace with his D and at that pointed limited PP time was undeserving is underselling him a bit. Borderline sure. But i wouldn't say unearned.

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20 Jul 2018 15:38:52
Yeah, Marner finished ahead of Point in scoring but clearly did most of his damage in the second half so obviously wouldn’t be considered. But trochek finished with 75 pts, had more points in a cpl less games when the teams were named, when the replacement was made and when the game was played. Point was picked ahead of him solely because he plays for Tampa and not the Panthers. Not difficult to see that. Could have had a second, more deserving panther there instead of a 5th lightning. Or another deserving Bruin like PPG Pasternak or Bergeron?!

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17 Jul 2018 09:32:40
Tor needs rd depth Carolina could use f held

Tor brown and 4th

Car Pesce

Tor has wing depth Grundström is gunna push to be on the roster this year and you can replace a brown.

Car would be able to slide tvr in Pesce place on the rd

Be a solid trade for everyone

The pick is cause I value rd way more then wingers.

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17 Jul 2018 11:06:15
Jeez. There's been posts about Kapanen for Mckowen/ Morin that have been close and good talks. But now you want to trade a lesser player for a better D man? Is that's what's going on here? Because Is Kapanen > Brown? And Pesce > Mckowen/ Morin?
I'm not sure who is better kapanen Or Brown but I've just seen a lot of Leafs fans on here suggest they would way rather trade Brown and keep Kapenen. So that's what leads me to believe Kapanen > Brown.

Anyways. Carolina says no thank you.

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17 Jul 2018 12:38:45
This isn’t even close lol. And Pesce wouldn’t be ‘depth’, he would be our best RHD.

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17 Jul 2018 14:06:27
First of Yupp Kappanen for Mckowen/ Morin isn’t close that’s a big no from leafs. Peace is a top 30 dman in the NHL who is exactly what the leafs need on an amazing cap hit. The 1st pair of Pesce-Slavin won’t be moved. If there’s a big trade in Carolina with the leafs it’d be Pesce+ for Nylander ( eww I would rather have a fun to watch potential PPG player but positional wise it makes sense. ) or Nylander+ for Slavin ( I’d love this. )

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17 Jul 2018 15:10:43
First off VBB congrats in staying on topic for once. Knew you had it in ya, I think.

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16 Jul 2018 21:31:21
Elias Lindholms new contract is 6 years 4.85 mill per.

In 5 NHL seasons, his Career high in goals was 17, 3 years ago.

Career high in pts was 45.

I don’t know if he had a ton of leverage because the flames traded Hamilton and ferland for him and hanifin without contracts, so if they didn’t get something done it would look really bad on the GM. But this does not look like a team friendly deal at all and kinda sways who I think won the trade now towards Carolina. If these were his demands and canes wouldn’t pay it, I can see their point in trading him.

All I know is Kadris 6x4.5 looks even better again.

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16 Jul 2018 22:13:50
And Adam Henrique for $5.825M per season two overpayments today.

Lindholm 188 points in 374 games played. Maybe they are paying for a gamble on the future hoping he breaks out or something.

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16 Jul 2018 22:39:31
That’s my guess Yup could see him setting career highs this year 60 points maybe? If along side Gudreau and Mohnahan of course.

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17 Jul 2018 00:18:49
Yeah. Kadri wasn’t putting up the 30+ goals before he signed either, then he broke out and it looks like a steal, so that’s still possible. But he did have better numbers than these to indicate an offensive breakout was more likely.

I just remember when the Hamilton trade was made at the draft that I, and a cpl others, said that the contracts these guys sign could determine who won the trade. This one doesn’t look great at the moment and if I’m hanifin, and just saw Lindholm get this, and I hold the same leverage, 1 would be licking my chops.

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17 Jul 2018 03:54:54
Jim I think at the time kadri signed his deal he was coming off a 45 point season too. Contracts will go up over time even in a span as short as 2 years. i was expecting lindholm would sign for 4.5 per so it's not completely outrageous in my eyes. But is for sure not team friendly at this point like you said. but a lot of people didn't think kadri was either at the time. Same thing as pacioretty in montreal at the time he signed. those both worked out we'll and I think calgary is thinking lindholm will work out too.

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17 Jul 2018 04:05:13
Henriques deal is far worse IMO lindholm is just as good right now and still has potential to get even better.

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17 Jul 2018 09:33:15
Is Lindholm contract is good imo if he hits 55+ points this year Calgary looks like genius. Depends if he can get his game to the next level. I see him have around the same potential that Drouin has but he's a also a center too. At 4.5 million very good contract imo.

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17 Jul 2018 09:35:02
Henrique contract is mediocre imo overpaid. Not underpaid but definitely not overpaid. He's only 28, just had 50 point season and is a good 2 way center. Toes makes 10.5 million and they're not that far apart imo. Yes Toews is better but not 5 million better. I value Henrique more then Toews arm contract included.

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17 Jul 2018 11:08:54
Who will play with Johny and Monohan, Neal or Lindholm?
If they want to justify this lindholm contract I think they should play him with those two to be as successful as possible to justify that pay cheque. Neal has already has success in his career points and goals wise so at least that contract was "earned" in a sense.

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17 Jul 2018 14:09:31
@Habby.
I said there’s still a chance lindholm can break out and Make it a great deal for Calgary, and I didn’t say leafs are genius’s and knew Kadri would become a 30 goal man.

I said he had better numbers than Lindholm that could indicate a more likely offensive breakout
Before signing their respective contracts:

Kadri - 326gp 81g (.25gpg) 197pts (.60ppg)
Lindholm - 374 gp 64g (.17gpg) 188 pts (.50ppg)

lindholms career high is 45pts and 17 goals.
Kadri had better (18g and 44 pts ) in the 48 game lockout shortened season behind only kessel for team lead and 12pts up on JVR for 3rd.

First pro action was in Sweden for lindholm and was exactly .50ppg (same as NHL numbers)

Kadris was in AHL and had 107pts in 119 games (.90ppg) - he wasn’t a draft eligible guy playing pro like lindholm, I understand, but showed he could play a mans game extremely well for a small player while getting under opponents skin and playing physical. Another trait that keeps players in the NHL

I know there’s no guarantees but I stick to saying leafs management had a lot more evidence that Kadri COULD be an offensive star than lindholm has shown.

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17 Jul 2018 15:14:30
My comment was made before your 2nd comment was posted jim I wasn't trying to argue just in case that is what you may think. I was just implying that the timing was good on the kadri and pacioretty deals. Today in the same situation they would both sign for 5mil plus.

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17 Jul 2018 15:32:23
I will say this in lindholms defence. The kadri deal which was signed 3 years after his 44pts in 48 games ( which padded his stats up to that point) . Was followed by 3 years of wildly inconsistent play . On top of that while he was still showing decent two way ability and gritty play. He was awful on faceoffs and was not being used on the pk. Both things that lindholm is pretty good at I will stick by what I said too that a lot of people, leaf fans included hated his deal at the time. I bet you really didn't like it either. Now tell the truth lol.

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17 Jul 2018 17:03:08
Honestly I was estatic when they signed him to that deal. They announced him and Rielly together, both 6 years, Kadri at 4.5 and Rielly at 5 mill. I’m not going to say I predicted him scoring 64 goals the next 2 years lol but like I said, there was more than enough evidence to show he could be an offensive star and to lock him up for his entire prime (24-30) for that price I thought was really smart. Some flames fans might like his deal and could make reasonable arguements, I just don’t see that he has shown the same offensive ability which at the end of the day, is what most players get paid for.

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17 Jul 2018 17:16:31
And that’s not saying I thought Kadri was actually worth more than the $4.5, but it’s all about timing and the team dynamic as much as it is the league comparables

When Kadris deal was up, we had already traded kessel, marner was in junior, hadn’t drafted Matthews yet and were really lacking any high end skill on the NHL roster. I thought he was in a position to exploit that like phaneuf when his deal came up and the management had absolutely no plan of life without him and therefore had next to no leverage when we gave him the $7millx 7years.

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16 Jul 2018 02:57:05
Leaf fans:

Can you explain the Frederik Gauthier selection? He was drafted 21st overall and can't score in the AHL. The only thing that's actually keeping him in the AHL and not the ECHL is his PK ability.

He was never a PPG in the CHL (which in my opinion is a must for a first round selection, excluding defencemen).

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16 Jul 2018 07:43:17
Classic Barrie.

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16 Jul 2018 12:12:15
Heres your answer:
Dave Nonis.


Is there really a point in bring this up Barrie? c'mon man, lmao.

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16 Jul 2018 12:52:43
He was the last ‘safe pick’. Meaning 5 years ago they took him rather than going for a homerun and missing completely. He’s 6’5” centre that plays really smart. So he could always be a 4th line centre. That’s how leafs used to draft. The next year was the change in philosophy where they went all skill (Nylander over nick Ritchie) and then marner over hanifin, and obviously Matthews wasn’t much of a choice, but then liljegren too. Taking risks for bigger pay off now instead of the safe one.

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16 Jul 2018 15:28:31
Ohh 2707 is Barrie that explains the hate post. You litterly knew I’ve played with those players as I mentioned it in the Fantasy league. But anyway Dave Nonis was Peter Charlie Mark Bergivan esq ( sorry habs fans ) made a lot of questionable draft choices ( few good ones like Rielly) . Frederik Gauthier was drafted to be a Brian Boyle type player and he could still be. He’s a career 4th liner he’s great defensively but almost invisible offensively.

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16 Jul 2018 16:05:09
Same reason montreal took mccarron a few picks later. Big strong forwards who were decent skaters. Also a crappy draft after the top 15 probably led a few teams to take the safe pick which they figured would at least make the lineup eventually. In both cases they might still make a teams fourth line some day but I have zero confidence either will make there current teams roster .

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16 Jul 2018 01:06:57
R.I.P ray emery

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14 Jul 2018 17:09:37
For those who still wonder when the habs soured on subban. I can tell you this, things were never the same after they went to arbitration. Things were said on both sides which I don't think were ever forgivin. Just a little post to those fans of teams that may have a star player going to arbitration.

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14 Jul 2018 16:20:14
I really don't see the Premium for RHD in the NHL

Top 10 RHD-
1. Doughty
2. Karlsson
3. Burns
4. Pietrangelo
5. Weber
6. Subban
7. Jones
8. Klingburg
9. Letang
10. Buffuglien/Eklblad

Top 10 LHD
1. Hedman
2. Josi
3. Suter
4. OEL
5. Vlasic
6. Slavin
7.Ghostisphere
8. Lindholm
9. Kieth
10. Girodano/Rielly

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14 Jul 2018 17:05:26
Right hand side looks better.

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15 Jul 2018 07:35:43
Maybe its about more than the top 10? RHD thins out much faster, def less (good) depth.

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15 Jul 2018 07:36:42
Also props for ranking Weber > Subban and Jones lol.

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15 Jul 2018 15:17:53
How is Weber not as good as Subban and Jones? Jones will be a stud but he’s definitely not better now and Subban is one dimensional and in that 1 dimension Weber is better then him lol. In a full season Weber was projected to score 50 points this season on a bottom 5 team. That says a lot he’s extremely underrated due to his contract. On a top team he's a 65 Point player while being the best pker in the game.

Also when you look at the lower end RHD it’s Trouba, Paryanko, Hamilton, Ristolainen and Erik Johnson vs guys like Provorov, Muzzin, McDonagh, Gardiner and Yandel LHD cut off very Quickly it seems like most teams have imbalances on the right side not the left. With that being said Chabot and Dahlin will probably climb up the top 10 next season.

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15 Jul 2018 16:01:44
Vb let's just be clear. Weber is very good. he's not as good as you claim. You can't use a quarter of the season and project it with any kind of certainty. His career could be pretty much over if he doesn't recover well from these injuries. You say he's a 65 point player on a good team but he's never scored 60 in his life and isn't getting any younger. You know who has scored 60? Subban. And Jones had more points last year than Webers career high 56. he's a good player won't deny that. Positions himself well defensively and has one of if not the best slapshots in hockey. But you're still either overvaluing him or discounting at least Subban.

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16 Jul 2018 02:53:44
VB.

1. Weber is declining. With the injury he had this past season, that process will be sped up. His skill level will drop to a top 4 in 2-3 years.

2. Jones is the next upcoming defenceman in the NHL. Perhaps even the next Doughty. Excellent offensive game and has an extremely under-rated defensive side.

3. How is Subban one dimensional? If you mean offence, Subban is much better than Weber in that category. In terms of physicality, I'd say both are pretty close but Subban takes the cake. But in terms of defending, Weber wins.

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16 Jul 2018 03:28:55
Also:

Huge lol at Giordano being even in that list aaand at Slavin being so high up.

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16 Jul 2018 03:49:36
He’s never been on a world class power play like Toronto or Tampa tho put him top powerplay and I firmly believe he’s a 60 Point player. My opinion. We’ll see about the injury but I believe you’re blowing that out of proportion.

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16 Jul 2018 12:44:51
Ok but neither has Subban or Jones. Subban has played on the same teams and Jones played on one of those teams and Columbus.

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16 Jul 2018 15:32:34
Once Subban left Montreal the Canadians took a step back and once Weber left Nashville the preds took a step forward imo. And you can’t seriously say Subban is physically better then Weber come on now. Subban a better PP quarter back and puck mover butweber has the much better shot.

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19 Jul 2018 01:08:29
I'll tell you that subban is the best interference player in the league never have I seen someone sit on so many top players in the league holding them out of the play. #1.

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13 Jul 2018 13:02:12
What the odds of this next year for the canucks

Artem.p seguin boeser
Peterson horavt virtanen
Sven gaudette lind
Russel beagle palmu

Joulevi tanev
Hughes guddy
Hutton stecher

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13 Jul 2018 13:39:49
like 0.

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13 Jul 2018 14:42:07
Lol. Is this another new Brock account? Where did he go. What's his newest name anyways.

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14 Jul 2018 11:00:42
It could happen tho next offseason think this team would make the playoffs.

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14 Jul 2018 11:02:45
There aleast a 0.1 chance lmao.

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14 Jul 2018 11:05:54
Maybe if they had an elite gm like Peter Charelli because we all know he can build a playoff team and never losses trades. Always bring in Elite talent for oilers trash like that joke of a guy Tanner Hall or whatever for Adam “ the King “ Larsson. Or that nobody prospect Matt Barzel for the most promising prospect in the game Griffin Rienhart.

So my answer is no there is zero percent chance Seguin and Paniran sign on a team that dosent know how to do a proper rebuild. Paniran goes to Chicago as a FA and Seguin resigns.

You should just prey Jim Benning dosent try to fast track their rebuild like the leafs did.

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14 Jul 2018 14:26:43
And you're Leafs are absolutely perfect right VBB? Clarkson, Lupul, Phanuef, Robidas, Kessell, Rask just a few off the top of my head.
Yet another crazy over exaggerated comment of yours that has nothing to do with original post, Wtf is wrong with you lately?
You used to cry and cry and cry when I would post stuff like that.

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14 Jul 2018 15:31:28
Now that the leafs are on the right path yupp, some fans feel they need to talk sh*t. There’s fans like this for every team. FairTrade4all was an example for the oilers fan base. The oilers almost made it to the western finals and they could do no wrong. Every player was worth gold and Chiarelli was the best GM in the league. When things go south, the mouths stop running. I think most people only bash in retaliation but we have a few kids on this site that are very immature.

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14 Jul 2018 16:09:58
My last sentence “ you should just prey Jim Benning dosent try to fast track the rebuild like the leafs did” I’ll own up to the mistakes the leafs made but I never supported the manegment during that era. Even then the leafs were not tanking like the oilers.

Just don’t really like the oilers I guess they have one of the best players in the NHL ( no all around I don’t think he’s better then Crosby he dosent have the 2 way IQ yet ) and they can’t even make it to the playoffs.

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14 Jul 2018 19:56:18
To stay on topic, I don't believe this is possible for the Canuks. I think they have to hope they build through the draft and find some gems to develop. I love the city of Vancouver too, one of the nicest cities in Canada IMO. Maybe the nicest. I'm just not sure they stand out when a superstar UFA is looking at teams roster wise.

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16 Jul 2018 13:08:25
Vbb is just giving a bit back lol oilers and leafs were both garbage for a decade but oilers were handed 4 1st overalls to keep fans hopeful. But once the oilers had that playoff run a cpl years ago, almost every oilers fan on here developed a holier than thou attitude and talked down to leaf fans on the site. So now that the oilers struggled and leafs are landing big fish and looking great, he’s going to throw a cpl stones back lol not a big deal.

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16 Jul 2018 14:23:57
Lol ya I don't think the Canuks will get Seguin and Panarin either man.

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