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03 Jul 2018 15:43:46
Noticed some sabres fans weening about the leafs saying the only reason they got tavares is because they tanked and cleared cap room lol. I find this super funny coming from the biggest tankers in nhl history

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03 Jul 2018 16:21:32
I agree the Sabres are almost up there with the Oilers.

03 Jul 2018 19:20:11
It’s the way the league is set up. Don’t blame the teams for following the rules to better themselves. Sabres have been tanking for as long or longer than the leafs. they finished last in 2014 and lost the ekblad lottery to panthers and finished last in 2015 but lost mcdavid lottery to oilers. Don’t be mad that leafs finished last once and actually won the lottery wth the best odds. It’s luck. Winning Matthews expediated our rebuild for sure, but the build was done with calculated decisions too. They were planning to be able to do this 2 years ago when they lost the bid for stamkos shanahan said.

03 Jul 2018 19:21:52
The sabres are a joke lol

03 Jul 2018 19:23:54
Not to mention Nylander was on the board when they took Reinhart. And marner when they took Eichel (not saying they should have taken Marner over Eichel obviously, just that they had the opportunity to take the same guys we took that are now our core)

03 Jul 2018 19:37:58
Also both teams brought in back up goalies that they thought had starter potential (Lehner and Bernier) . Leafs identified it wasn’t working and spent the assets they could afford to get Andersen as where sabres put up with poor goaltending for years. Sabres had 1st rounders like grigorenko ans zadorov that didn’t pan out there and leafs got 4th 5th and 6th rounders from the same era in hyman, brown ans Johnsson on their roster.

The year or two of tanking is not the difference in where these 2 teams are. It’s the managements decisions.

03 Jul 2018 20:22:57
Tanking is the easiest thing in the world to do I'm suprised some teams like the sabres have this much difficulty doing it.

03 Jul 2018 23:35:36
@Habby, you’re right the actual tanking is simple. Trade away good players, sign mediocre players to one year deals, and fill the roster with them and prospects.

But what I meant is just doing that doesn’t guarantee you anything. If sucking for 4/ 5 years and accumulating top picks assured you would be a contender then the oilers would have been winning games by 2015 instead of winning Mcdavid, sabres would be a contender because they started a year ahead of Toronto, and Arizona should have 2 cups because they have been picking near the top for a decade lol it’s the other moves that make it all work.

04 Jul 2018 00:58:10
Carlyle had a winning record when he was fired from the leafs. Me thinks leafs fans should keep their trap shut when it comes to talking about teams intentionally tanking.

04 Jul 2018 04:58:51
Yes jim that's true but a rebuild doesn't always have to mean Turing a team into a contender. franchises like buffalo and arizona I'm sure would be pleased with just being a playoff contender at this point. rebuild doesn't mean changing into a cup favourite to a lot of teams it just means improving and some of those teams like buffalo and arizona can't even seem to do that. I'm sure they will eventually but man talk about your long rebuild. Not trying to make excuses for edmonton either but a couple of those years they had the 1st overall picks were not real strong drafts. but they have sucked for a long time too and there is really no excuse for it.

04 Jul 2018 05:00:54
But the hardest thing to do is not to become a contender it's being able to be a contender year after year. rebuilding is super easy compared to that.

04 Jul 2018 13:20:29
Chirp nailed it.

04 Jul 2018 13:27:47
This is also a very sensitive subject for chirp had you been around for it Sosa. Hours of entertainment. I know you have a soft spot for the oilers so we won’t talk about all the years they pooped the bed while the leafs fell a point or 2 shy of the playoffs. One team collected 1st overalls and the other didn’t.

04 Jul 2018 18:03:55
Leafs tanked for two years oilers and Sabres tanked for 10 the Kessel Era is where the Canadians are at now.

04 Jul 2018 20:42:14
Vb I think they are more like the sundin era. The core group has had moderate playoff success while not making the finals where as the kessel era had zero playoff success.

04 Jul 2018 20:43:25
Hopefully the habs have sense enough to skip the equivalent of the kessel era lol.

05 Jul 2018 02:14:58
Oilers just sucked, that’s all.
Just because you get 1st overall picks it doesn’t mean they’ll work out. Weak drafts are weak drafts. Plus MacT and KLowe should never be in charge of anything ever.
I feel like you’re trying to make it personal for some reason. I have zero to do with the Oilers.
Just as you have zero to do with the leafs, even though you probably like to pretend otherwise.

Still, leafs fired a winning coach and replaced him with a stump. As if that isn’t intentionally tanking! Puh-leeease! 😂.

03 Jul 2018 12:55:15
How well do you guys think calgary will do this season?

With acquiring James Neal, Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin, Austin Czarnik, Derek Ryan etc.

With their lineup looking like this

Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - James Neal
Matthew Tkachuk - Mikael Backlund - Elias Lindholm
Sam Bennett - Mark Jankowski - Michael Frolik
Austin Czarnik - Derek Ryan - Troy Brouwer

Mark Giordano - TJ Brodie
Noah Hanifin - Travis Hamonic
Rasmus Andersson - Michael Stone

Mike Smith
David Rittich / Jon Gillies

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03 Jul 2018 15:51:17
I hear Neal might play on a wing with Bennett or Jankowski to spread out offense and get him away from top checking. Either way, I think they’re like a lot of teams, look good on paper but have to prove a lot. Also I think (like almost every team) their season hinges on goaltending. And smith was up and down last year and isn’t getting any younger.

03 Jul 2018 19:23:21
Smith stood on his head but hopefully that changes with a new coaching system. I think they will be a threat this year, same with the leafs!!! I think the Leafs and Flames will be the 2 canadian teams to make it the farthest idk about the peg tho

03 Jul 2018 21:10:43
It's a solid line up.

03 Jul 2018 12:50:51
This is to big for a comment imo but this is directed towards 2707 and the " Faulk is number 1 D man on 50% of teams "

I'm about to list all of Dman on Each 31 teams that are better then Faulk in alphabetical order of team and sorted from best to worst for eash team.

Anaheim- Hampus Lindholm, Cam Fowler and Josh Manson

Arizona- OEL

Boston-Charlie McAvoi

Buffalo- Rasmus Dahlin

Calargry- Mark Girodano

Carolina- Jacob Slavin( Most underated player in NHL ) , Dougie Hamilton and Brett Pesce

Chicago- Duncan Keith

Colorado- Eric Johnson and Tyson Barrie

Columbus- Seth Jones and Zach Werneski

Dallas- John Klinberg

Detroit-Debatable Mike Green ( in process of Rebuild)

Edmonton- Adam Larsson

Florida-Arron Eklblad

LA-Drew Doughty

Minnesota- Ryan Sutter,Jared Spurgeon, Matt Dumba and Jonas Brodin

Montreal- Shea Weber

Nashville- Josi, Subban, Ellis, Ekholm

New Jersey- Sami Vatanen

Islanders- Leddy

Rangers- Shattenkirk

Ottawa- Karlsson and Chabot

Philly- Provorov and Ghost

Pittsburgh- Letang

San Jose- Burns and Vlasic

Sanit Louis- Pietrangelo, Paryanko and Edmonston

Tampa- Hedman,McDonagh and Stralman

Toronto- Rielly and Gardiner

Vegas- Miller and Theodore

Washington- Orlov ( another underrated dman ) and Karlsson

Winnipeg-Buff and Trouba

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03 Jul 2018 15:35:24
There a lot more then that too bv just a quick glance morrisey in winnipeg muzzin in la matheson in fla tj brodie and hanafin in calgary and so on and so on lol.

03 Jul 2018 16:06:36
Schmidt in Vegas, risto in buffalo, arguably Krug in Boston but I wouldn’t have Chabot on that list in Ottawa. Not yet anyway. And Dahlin is obviously all speculative, but signs clearly point to yes.

03 Jul 2018 16:08:02
Also guys that watch their own teams will have other under the radar guys that we don’t really know or think are that good, for example Zaitsev in his first year was really impressive to watch and then took a big step back last year with injuries and inconsistency.

03 Jul 2018 16:26:41
Risto was in my mind but I decided not to put him in there because of advanced stats but he’s a beast I think he’s much better. I considered Muzzin but I left him out. Never really considered Schmit and I personally don’t like Krug but you can make an argument. Also yah Morrisy is in the same Catagory as Chabot.

03 Jul 2018 19:54:00
Yeah, I think morrisey has proven a lot more than Chabot tho. Chabot May have a higher ceiling, but morrisey has played tough minutes in a tough division and hasn’t looked out of place at all. Chabot hasn’t had that real break out moment yet in the NHL. Went full beast mode at WJC tho.

03 Jul 2018 21:21:05
Some of these i disagree with.

04 Jul 2018 00:49:03
There isn't an argument krug is much better then faulk vb.

03 Jul 2018 02:22:46
NYI- Lee
TOR- Kadri.

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03 Jul 2018 03:54:12
Yah not a chance from the leafs. C>W. They’ll use there center depth to win.

03 Jul 2018 03:56:44
Leafs are planning on using their centre depth to cover up a bit of their blue line holes. Kadri is a massive part of that. Shut down centre with back to back 30+ goal years at $4.5mill. Can’t afford to lose that.

Also Lee obviously has great chemistry with Tavares but wingers for him to play with is not a problem we have. Babcock already said he will have marner on his wing, that was in the pitch they made to him.

And lastly Lee has a year left making $3.75mill and with 40 and 34 goals in the last 2 seasons, he’s going to get a big raise we can’t afford.

03 Jul 2018 04:19:39
I don’t know why the leafs trade away a center on a great contract. Lee is good also but the leafs keep Kadri.

03 Jul 2018 05:00:25
Toronto is weak on the left wing was my only thinking and New York could use another centre now obviously. Lol yeah Lee will get a raise but it might not be too much higher than Kadri’s. And I understand center depth is important but a team doesn’t need a 4.5 million dollar 30 goal scorer on the 3rd line when there left wing is weak. Just a thought but also using the money and trade chip on a D would probably make more sense for Toronto.

03 Jul 2018 05:41:50
Kadri got 4.5 mill after a poor season and some off ice problems. He scored 30 goals twice since. Lee only makes 750k less and put up those 2 massive seasons on that contract. It will be hard to put up 35+ again without tavares obviously, but if he puts up near 30, that’s 105 goals over 3 seasons. He’s not signing for Kadri money lol Kadri wouldn’t sign for Kadri money except he was already locked up when he broke out.

03 Jul 2018 19:30:04
I disagree with your notion that the Leafs are weak at LW. You clearly don't understand how Babs runs his lines.

03 Jul 2018 21:03:27
Who do they have on the left wing? And I was thinking Lee might sign around 5.5 but yeah your right he might sign for a bit more than that.

03 Jul 2018 02:09:24
NYI- Lee
CAR- Faulk.

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03 Jul 2018 03:54:30
This is bettet.

03 Jul 2018 00:06:02
So with Tavares, Kadri and Mathews potential 11+ a year contract coming up.. that's well over 25 mill i'm centers..

Mathews to Arizona

1ST in 2019
Dvorak to Tor..

. Roast me..

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03 Jul 2018 03:56:52
Tavares goes before Mathews come on he’s going no where no matter what the Package. That 25 mil for centers is worth it.

03 Jul 2018 03:58:17
Matthews isn’t going anywhere lol tavares is here to play with him and win, not to take over for Matthews.

03 Jul 2018 04:26:34
Leave there new found center situation as is please. After Marner, Nylander and Marleau, they have a ton of cheap options to fill the wings. I know defense is a concern but I say wait to see how this season goes. See if any defense develop and decide what to do with Gardiner.

03 Jul 2018 09:03:54
Yeah because Matthews gets you a franchise #1D, a likely top 10 pick and a solid, young future top 6er. Leafs fans are the worst.

03 Jul 2018 11:06:27
It’s a Montreal fan that proposed this. Leaf fans simply replied that Matthews is not going anywhere. I’m sorry Tavares chose his hometown over the money he could’ve had in Tamps. No need to be upset with us, you’re usually better than that.

03 Jul 2018 13:56:50
Ya Triplets. i'm a Habs fan.
I jus proposed it, cause as good as Tavares is. they still have a lot of issues in the back end. and this team is still not a Cup winner IMO. yes Pittsburgh has done it with Crosby and Malkin as 2 numbr 1s. however. they are both better than both Mathews and Tavares.
I get bringing in Tavares, however ig you guys want your cup. you have the best chance to do so with Mathews as a peice that can complete your team.

03 Jul 2018 19:32:31
Do you seriously think the Leafs would trade him for anything less than that package? I don't.

03 Jul 2018 21:25:03
Johnny t is better then Malkin imo and Matthews will be soon.

02 Jul 2018 23:21:01
Mcdonaugh extention will look aweful by 2021.

lot of hard miles in new york, 3-4 more deep playoff runs equates to an extra season on those tires.

no trade for whole duration. if he was serious about wanting to contend for the next 8 seasons (feasable with that group) he should have taken 5 million, especially with the taxes.

me thinks stevie y will regret this one.

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03 Jul 2018 04:07:31
I don’t know if it will look bad in 3 years. By year 6 I’m sure it will. But the same day his 6.75 kicks in (a raise of 2mill) stralman, Girardi ans cobourn all come off the books at just over $11 mill total.

So of that 11 mill, McDonoughs raise takes $2 mill, bring stralman back for $5 mill of it and you have a top 4 of Hedman, Stralman, McDonough and Sergachev for $4 mill less than they’re spending right now.

Still a great D core behind all those forward and in front of vasilevsky.

03 Jul 2018 09:05:10
Doubt Stralman gets a raise on his current deal considering his age, but I agree with most of the rest you've said.

03 Jul 2018 13:09:35
Ya it doesn't look great. It all depends on how quickly he crashes since it looks like its already started. My gut reaction is bad deal but i'm hoping he's able to rebound a bit if he regains form it won't look bad. D contracts in general are starting to get outta hand.

02 Jul 2018 18:57:21
Flames sign James Neal at 5.75m x 5yrs

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02 Jul 2018 19:54:15
Ugly term.

02 Jul 2018 21:38:04
I'm not a big fan of james Neal but I think he could be a good fit with the flames. Cap and term are not bad considering what players comparable to him usually get.

02 Jul 2018 22:35:26
Yeah, I think he will be alright there. Like all contracts nowadays, the last year or two are probably questionable, but should be able to put up 30 goals for them for the next 3-4 seasons.

03 Jul 2018 00:08:38
I like ot for Calgary.
. I also think he can add some veteran leadership to this group of young skilled forwards. would be better of its a 3 year deal. but. like Habby said its comparible to others.

03 Jul 2018 05:47:31
JVR is a year and a half younger, got the same 5 years, but at $7 mill instead. Both guys score goals, Neal plays a little more physical. I’d say it’s in the right range that I expected.

02 Jul 2018 03:41:19
Sorry islanders fans, but you still have a decent roster and if your forwards progress (barzal, beauvullier, etc. ) and you add a Defenceman and a goalie you’ll be solid

Andres lee-Barzal-Bailey
Clutterbuck-? -?

Sidenberg-Pulock/ Aho

? (Lehner? )

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01 Jul 2018 23:04:30
I understand islanders fans being upset. They lost the best player on their team and one of the best in franchise history for nothing.

But seeing twitters reaction and the jersey burnings etc is garbage. He was a great player for them that they had for 9 years. They had him for the last 5 years as a superstar at 5.5 mill while other teams were paying players as good $8-10.5 mill and they did nothing with it.

If anything, this hopefully starts a trend of star players chasing cups and dreams rather than an unnecessary loyalty. Maybe if islanders build properly around barzal ans the kids they got this year, they can get someone else’s star to go there in 3-4 years.

But saying Tavares ‘owes’ them anything which is a huge narrative on Twitter is dead wrong. It was a legal contract that the team lived up to the bare minimum of their end, he lived up to his end. Teams, owners and managers (especially Lou Lamoriello) has zero loyalty to players when the shoes on the other foot, like the 4 or 5 veterans he buried in the minors on the leafs to gain an advantage, so why show it back?

If a team does everything they can to help you reach a common goal, stay. If not, follow your heart!

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02 Jul 2018 03:18:14
Kind of pathetic people just look at the players as peices of a chess game. They don’t understand they have emotions he wanted to go play for his home town and closer to his family on a better team that’s perfectly understandable. On top of that the islanders organization is a train wreck.


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