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11 Jan 2019 22:13:12
So here's what the so called insiders have told us so far about the upcoming trade deadline. ufas on teams out of the playoffs are available and the top teams in the league who have cap space are looking to add. well golly gee guys thanks for letting us know we would have never figured that out on our own.

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11 Jan 2019 19:50:40
To bad to see Rick Nash retire relatively early due to concussion concerns... obviously the last few seasons, he hasn't been the dominant power forward he had been in the past, but was still a capable 2 way Top 6 forward..
I guess my question is... He played in an era where 100 pts and 50 goals was not common.., Is he a Hall of Famer.?? I'm on the fence., probably leaning towards no., due to lack of team success Anyone with some good arguments as to why he should be?

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11 Jan 2019 21:45:18
Im on the fence with him too. One reason I could see him being in tho is cause he was the one who brought hockey to light in Columbus. he's the story behind the Jackets and easily their franchises best player. It'll be interesting tho.

11 Jan 2019 23:27:13
It's too close to call really. Based on his numbers I would say no. But his international success and his rocket trophy along with what TSS said it's close and he might someday get in.

11 Jan 2019 20:57:52
Rick nash never had 50 goals in a season. His best season was 41 goals. And he never had 100 points. His best season was 79. Not Hall of Fame material they're is absolutely no argument to that. I personally really liked him was one of my favorite player growing up but he never played like a future hall of Famer even in his best seasons.

12 Jan 2019 01:52:59
My argument to that Boom is that not many people did get 100 pts or 50 goals. he played in an era were Jamie Benn won the Art Ross with 87 pts. I'm not saying he is a Hall of Famer either., but I think it's closer than you say. If you think of his era, he was a pretty big deal for a number of seasons.
I still say no, but I'm wondering if anyone has a case for him to he in the Hall.? So far, I guess not.

12 Jan 2019 02:42:15
He never scored 50 but he did lead the league one year. There is an argument to be made. I don't think he gets in either but I wouldn't be surprised if he did someday.

14 Jan 2019 14:29:59
They're is absolutely no argument to br made with Rick Nash in the hall of fame. He was never a hall of Famer type player. Never a leader of a team even in Columbus it was him before the team. Not Hall of Fame material.

09 Jan 2019 23:22:36
Line up i hope to see next year for the habs:

Drouin-poelhing-domi
Suzuki-kotkaniemi-gallagher
Lekhonen-danault-armia
Byron-shaw-agostino

??-weber
Mete-juulsen
Reilly/ollofson-fleury

We should sell tatar and petry now since their value his high right now for a left D or picks and go after gardiner.

Petry seems a fit for toronto / tampa / edmonton (wont waive his clause for edmonton).
Tatar seems a good fit for col / nsh / car/bos / edm.

Thoughts?

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10 Jan 2019 00:54:34
If the return is real good I wouldn't mind trading petry and or tatar. But we don't really need to and unless there is a good young player coming back that can jump into the lineup next year to help fill the loss then it's going to create two big holes. I mean we can sit back and say brook can replace petry and suzuki can replace tatar and maybe someday they will but right now they can't. ollofson has been injured since we got him and I wouldn't be hoping or planning on him filling a spot on our blue line next year. Also I feel there is zero chance ( or close to it) that ryan poehling will be on the top line next year and possibly ever also two right shots on a line with kotkaniemi and I hope we don't have to play agostino next year.

10 Jan 2019 01:41:50
You really want Poehling and Suzuki as top 6 next season? They aren't ready. going to be a couple years before they are NHL regulars. let alone top 6 . I see Suzuki a potential top 6, however I see Poehling as a 3rd line good 2 way centerman. don't let the World Jrs fool ya, he won't be that dominant in the NHL. I think a good player, just not an offensive star .

10 Jan 2019 22:09:27
Mtl picked Phoeling knowing he will not be a star at the nhl level but definitely going to be a center in the nhl probably Mikael Backlund type center. Exellent third line center, good second line center.

09 Jan 2019 14:46:14
This is just a shot in the dark. What's the odds of Winnipeg getting home town boy Jonathan toews for.solid center for a rental l

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09 Jan 2019 14:51:45
None considering he still has a few years on his contract.

09 Jan 2019 14:52:47
I would put the chance at less than zero. The Jets can't afford Towes going forward, or what Chicago would want for him.

09 Jan 2019 14:54:53
I could see him coming there in 2030.

09 Jan 2019 15:05:49
The Hawks would have to retain $4 mil a year to make this happen.

09 Jan 2019 15:29:31
Winnipeg is going to have enough issues trying to keep this team together with all the big contracts on the horizon., I think Toews is slowly starting to go on the decline for his career. best for Jets to just worry about what they have atm.

09 Jan 2019 19:16:58
You spelled wheel wrong in your username there chief.

09 Jan 2019 00:52:17
We have all talked about the leafs cap crunch and how they are probably going to lose gardiner and kapanen but what about the jets? Similar situation who are they losing?

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09 Jan 2019 01:34:39
There’s a few other teams in that conversation. i don’t think the jets or leafs are even facing the biggest challenge.

09 Jan 2019 11:50:40
Tampa could be another as well if Point demands north of 8-8.5?

And as for both Toronto/ Winnipeg, i think both teams lose our older guys (UFAs), as well as vets and as well don’t really get a chance to uograde positionally (in Toronto’s case, I think we won’t get to see a true #1RHD unless Liljegren blossoms into one) .

So like for WPG, i could see them losing Bryan Little for pennies on the dollar, similar to the Johansson to New Jersey trade, because they have the whole Trouba stituation which will probably cost a decent amount, compounded onto Laine and Morissey, but I think they make it out well because they have controllable assets (Schief, Helebyuck, Buff), As for Toronto, there's virtually no chance we get Gardiner back, and we probably will lose guys like Connor Brown. I think we bridge Johnsson and/ or Kapanen and wait until Marleau’s 6 million disappears, but in that time, we don’t upgrade defence at all, and the d looks like Rielly/ Zaitsev/ Dermott/ Oz/ Rosen/ Liljegren.

09 Jan 2019 14:50:55
If the Jets can't get Trouba to agree to a reasonable contrcr he will be traded by the draft and they will sign Myers. Laine will get paid but not as much as people think as he's having a sporadic year. Connor will be an important but costly resigning. I feel for the Leafs as they have Matthews and Marner that will get over $20 million per combined next season. I really believe that Arizona is going to be the only team to make a crazy $15 mil per offer sheet for a RFA. MAtthews is their hometown boy and franchise savior. Only Marner is a true hometown kid, playing for a team he's from, among the big name free agents.

09 Jan 2019 19:19:47
I think the notion that Arizona is capable of paying a single player $15 mln a year is rather comical.

09 Jan 2019 21:50:49
15M is i think the max this year. sounds crazy, but i wouldn't be surprised if he is asking for 13 and is he really worth that? basically 18% more than Tavares. He might get it but he is not worth more that McD and would hope he ends closer to Tavares.

08 Jan 2019 02:35:28
Positional value aside who is the better player?

Kappo Kakko or Jack Hughes?

Imo Hughes is overrated. Yes he tares up the USHL but that's basically another BCHL he is obviously going to be a very good player i don't see him being a Mathews/Eichel esq player. I see him like a Antemi Panairan type player. Kappo Kakko seems like a faster Blake Wheeler with a better shot. I think he'll be an elite player in NHL.

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08 Jan 2019 05:48:26
Kappo gained ground on him during the wjc but he didn't catch him. hughes was playing hurt at the world juniors and still played good. I actually like them both and I've been pumping kakkos tires for a year now but as it stands hughes is still number 1 but it's getting closer.

09 Jan 2019 04:07:33
Probably going to be Hughes, however, what concerns me, no Canadian. I think its time Hockey Canada did some changes. everyone is catching up, and won't be long we will be surpassed.

09 Jan 2019 14:31:03
Canada is still miles ahead. They didn’t have any one potentially going 1st overall last year either. The 1st round will be dominated by Canadians as usual and next year Canada has Lafreniere and Byfield.

09 Jan 2019 16:14:20
Although canada is still top of the food chain a lot of countries with a much smaller player base are getting closer. Also I would argue actual top end talent is probably even closer. With the millions of dollars hockey canada brings in every year it might be wise to start investing some of that for the future by allowing kids to sign up for minor hockey free of charge.

07 Jan 2019 23:14:30
Pro hockey runora says prize for martinez is a 2nd and good prospect


Mtl offer fleury-hudon-2nd pick

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07 Jan 2019 23:46:52
So honest Question. How would you re-rank the top 25 prospects now. Just curious to what others thought.


sportsnews prospect list sep 2018

1. Elias Pettersson
2. Andrei Svechnikov
3. Rasmus Dahlin
4. Casey Mittelstadt
5. Eeli Tolvanen
6. Kirill Kaprizov
7. Miro Heiskanen
8. Filip Zadina
9. Conor Timmins
10. Adam Boqvist
11. Dylan Strome
12. Ryan Donato,
13. Robert Thomas
14. Martin Necas
15. Cale Makar
16. Kristian Vesalainen
17. Ilya Samsonov
18. Anthony Cirelli
19. Joel Farabee
20. Filip Chytil
21. Sami Niku
22. Klim Kostin
23. Henrik Borgstrom
24. Joe Veleno,
25. Brady Tkachuk,

I am not completely sure how to rank all of them but i would def do top ten like this

1 Elias Pettersson
2 Rasmus Dahlin
3 Brady Tkachuk
4 Kirill kaprizov
5 Miro Heiskanen
6 Robert Thomas
7 Conor Timmins
8 Casey Mittelstadt
9 Martin Necas
10 Cale Makar.

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08 Jan 2019 04:18:15
Lots of love for the habs I see lol.

08 Jan 2019 04:18:54
From sports net I mean.

08 Jan 2019 04:30:04
Timmins is an interesting choice. He hasn’t played all year because of concussion.

The level of talent that has been pouring into the league the last decade is just incredible. Really, since Crosby’s and Ovechkin entered the league, the nhl has just really turned the whole game around. These kids today are fun and entertaining to watch. They are able to do things that simply wouldn’t have been imagined possible 10 years ago. And the game is much improved because of it.

08 Jan 2019 11:47:57
Cirelli shouldn’t be in the top 25 I’ll say that much. Love the kid and he plays an important role but it’s doubtful he ends up anything more than a 3rd line defensive centre with fairly limited offensive output. Got a high floor but not much for a ceiling and I think you got to give prospects value for their ceiling. He’s like Tampa’s 3rd-5th prospect to me def not on a league list like that.

08 Jan 2019 12:56:05
Putting Svech outside of the top 10 is very bold. He's actually having a solid-good rookie year on an offensively weak CAR team and advances numbers also suggest he's due for positive regression. He'd easily still be in my top 5.

08 Jan 2019 16:28:00
I think that was an oversight on my part.

08 Jan 2019 20:36:33
I don't see any reason why middlestat or necas should be ahead of svechnikov or kotkaniemi at this point. Or even Timmons and makar for that matter.

08 Jan 2019 20:41:39
Also kaprizov is doing less at 21 then tolvenen did as a 18 year old in the khl. Yet tolvenen doesn't get a mention? I'm even more surprised you ranked him over Thomas when IMO Thomas is superior to him in almost every thing. So in closing sportsnets list is a D- and yours is a D+.

09 Jan 2019 13:12:04
Kotkaniemi should be clost to Svechnikov at this point and in front of a lot of players on this list I'd even say he's top 5. Is production, defensive play, center positioning and young age makes him one of the players on the list that has the most ceiling. He could become a #1 80+ point center.

09 Jan 2019 13:21:36
1. Dahlin
2. Pettersson
3. Tkachuk
4. Svechnikov
5. Kotkanemi
6. Heiskanen
7. Thomas
8. Middelstad
9. Quinn Hughes
10. Tolvanen
Only 1 Canadian. Personally I’d take Zandina long term over a few of the above mentioned.

09 Jan 2019 15:34:34
Vbb list is much better.

10 Jan 2019 03:35:20
I’m surprised Frost didn’t make top 25. He’s doing outstanding.

06 Jan 2019 20:01:15
Been in Vegas for 11 days now and finally getting to a VGK game! Tried to go to the New Year's Day game but was sold out. This place is a great party! So glad they took to hockey here in Vegas, a great first year helped for sure. But they love the Knights all over the city here.

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06 Jan 2019 20:49:30
Standing O for the warm ups. Club music pumping. Vegas show girls at the glass on the NJ Devils side for the entire warm ups. This atmosphere in here is unreal. So much more fun than boring corporate Aeneas like Tor, Edm, Van.

06 Jan 2019 21:51:05
And on top of that the team is actually doing good again this year which is still surprising the heck out of me.

06 Jan 2019 22:24:46
Who else has been to a game in Vegas? And how did you like it.

07 Jan 2019 03:04:16
I've been to Vegas 3 times 1st two times I won close to 95,000 combined last time I lost about 35,000$ I promised myself after the last time I would never go back again lol.

07 Jan 2019 09:46:22
How does anyone spend 11 days in Vegas?!

07 Jan 2019 19:51:38
lol yeah I’m with Chirp on this one. not sure my wallet or liver could handle 11 days there. yupp must be in beast mode.

08 Jan 2019 00:08:10
I come a lot. Play poker semi professionally. Came down with a bunch of buddies and partied for New Years, I'm just on a one way ticket and running very good. Might go home a few days tomorrow, huge convention in town this week. Comped rooms whenever I come. I love this place.
That VGK game atmosphere was so damn cool tho, I highly recommend any of you to travel here for your teams game here.
I might come for 2 weeks when the Oilers play here twice in 15 days March 16 and April 2.

06 Jan 2019 18:25:07
From what I've heard Dougie Hamilton would rather go to museums and site see rather than join teamates at clubs and such. Based on his past being labelled a party animal and being traded for it I don't blame him for wanting to change his ways. But even still now he's considered "not a team player" which I don't understand. Anyways in saying all that if it is indeed true I'm curious to know if Edmonton should consider trailing RNH for Hamilton straight up... what are your thoughts Oiler fans

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06 Jan 2019 18:48:55
I thought that he was always into that kind of stuff and it didn’t go over well in Calgary. I never heard of him being a party animal.

06 Jan 2019 19:52:38
I think we was a party guy in boston.

06 Jan 2019 21:00:32
Nuge always puts up decent numbers if it weren’t for injuries but this season is a bit of a breakout season for him I think. He’s too valuable to the Oilers to make that trade. Especially since Hamilton is having a bad season. If it was possible to get Hamilton for less than I’d be all for it. Chiarelli is more interested in overpaying for number 6-7 D though.

06 Jan 2019 23:45:42
But at what point do the oilers management decide that this “core” isn’t working? Something needs to be done and trading mcdavid or draisatl wouldn’t be smart. nuge would bring back a good return specifically to a team like hurricanes that lack scoring and have a surplus of defence. Oilers were looking for a puck moving right hand shot dman, Hamilton makes less than nuge and fills a more important slot than 3rd line center.

If I was the oilers I’d try to trade nuge and a 2nd or 3rd for Hamilton and gautier. Gautier could be a good scoring winger beside mcdavid. Next year Yamamoto should be around and that gives them 2 scoring wingers. I don’t know. I’m not even a oilers fan but it pisses me off that after all this time and high draft picks they are still trash, i don’t know how management puts up with icing damn near the same rubbish each year and expecting different results year after year. They say when something’s working you don’t fix it but this teams been broke for the last decade and nothing seems to be done. waste of mcdavid.

06 Jan 2019 23:59:45
You sure you’re not thinking of Seguin being the party guy in Boston? Never heard that about Hamilton.

07 Jan 2019 00:49:51
I don’t think they should trade Hopkins either. Not that their defense is any good but they are 25th in the league in goals for. I don’t know how they fix this mess but bringing in guys like Rieder, Rattie, etc. and thinking they’re going to be top 6 players is a joke. I guess they hope Bouchard becomes a stud and Lucic retires. I would send Lucic to the press box and let someone else try to earn a job.

07 Jan 2019 01:56:10
It’s not from a lack of making moves Mertle. Nuge has been with the team the longest and he’s like 24. Nuge isn’t a 3rd line center though. The Oilers have no depth scoring so they need him. Chia just needs to get an actual decent D instead of wasting assets on #7 D. Bouchard, Jones and Bear coming up should help the Oil D. Think Faulk would come at a cheaper price? Use skinner as a model?

07 Jan 2019 04:35:49
Hamilton for Nuge is a fair trade I could even see Carolina throwing in a sweetener.

Hamilton And Julian Gauthier for Nuge?

Gauthier was a 1st round pick in 2016 a Scoring winger which is one of Edmonton’s biggest needs.

Edmonton should not be trading 1sts tho.

07 Jan 2019 21:42:07
I just think that at this point they need to make a big splash, not another minor league swap, not trading for bottom pairing players. Even something drastic like trading Hopkins and this years first, unprotected for pietrengelo/ Parayko and kyrou or something similar to kyrou. They haven’t done anything the last 7 years with nuge so why not try something new. Trading away this years forst tells fan that they’re at least trying to be better. If St. Louis is looking to rebuild then a top 10 pick and a top 6 youngish center is a good start. Paryko/ petro instantly improves their defence and they also get a scoring winger. Again they need to do something that fills needs and tells the fans that losing isn’t acceptable anymore.

 


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