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08 Jul 2018 11:55:41
Mtl: Gallagher, Houde

Carolina: Jordan Staal, Rask

Two good small wingers for 2 centers

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08 Jul 2018 15:04:57
Ok so gallahger is pretty good I'll give ya that. But houde? What has he done to even appear he might be good at the nhl level.

08 Jul 2018 00:10:56
Hi every body!!

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08 Jul 2018 04:54:18
Hi doctor nick!

07 Jul 2018 10:21:15
Bergevjn pffered Galchenyuk and Nathan Beualieu for Panarin to the blackhawks 2 years ago. Bergy wants to put the bait againsts Clb. Does mtl offer they're first next year and hope for the best? he's a tentalizing player

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07 Jul 2018 13:27:43
I would hope not.

07 Jul 2018 16:45:24
Adding panarin to Montreal right now is going to do what Phil Kessel did to Toronto. He will be an exciting player, often the only thing worth cheering for on a crap team, and just make them good enough to miss out on high picks. All this does is keep them a 20-25th overall team instead of a 28-31 which they should want to be for the next 2-3 seasons. When Phil left Toronto, we were finally bad enough to get marners and matthews. Don’t add anyone of significance to that roster unless he’s under 23 and cheap.

07 Jul 2018 22:28:54
Panarin would go to Russia.
Going to Montreal. with a bunch of french people watching your games. scary.

08 Jul 2018 00:08:23
jim hitting nails on the head on he regular.

08 Jul 2018 05:31:23
2707 when did French people become scary? You are really starting to seem like a bit of a dick.

08 Jul 2018 08:02:38
Thanks ovie. I try lol.

06 Jul 2018 20:28:17
Can anyone tell me what they know of Jordan Subban? Is he going to be a lifetime AHLer? I'm guessing there will be a few clowns saying he's a future Norris trophy winner. Those comments are always appreciated too. Thanks.

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06 Jul 2018 22:52:00
He's a future Norris trophy winner.

06 Jul 2018 23:00:11
He once looked like he might be capable of being a 3rd pair dman with powerplay ability. He took a big step backwards last year and if steps back anymore he may become a career echler. good skater with a decent shot. up until last year at least.

07 Jul 2018 02:14:31
Thanks habby and I hope so yupp.

07 Jul 2018 05:28:04
Habby is not correct.
Jordan Subban is a real offensive talent. The thing is, he is only 5'9 and 170lbs.

He projects to be a great AHL defenceman, but not a regular NHLer. Most likely will become somebody like Adam Clendening or Ryan Murphy. But probably a little worse.

He didn't take a step back, he was just dumped in the depth chart of the Ontario Reign (LA's Farm Team)

Coming from an Oilers fan.

07 Jul 2018 05:33:39
Very nice shot that’s about it.

07 Jul 2018 08:10:33

07 Jul 2018 13:29:34
It was his 3rd year in the ahl and his worse one yet not a good sign. plus if he was so great don't you think he would have been higher on the depth chart?

07 Jul 2018 17:21:25
And if he had that kind of upside, a rebuilding team like Vancouver who isn’t in a rush, would have held on to him. If a team at the bottom trying to accumulate young assets gave him up for nothing, it says something. Never say never, could find his game, but a very long shot.

07 Jul 2018 22:25:34
@Unbiased Jim

Because Vancouver wanted Nic Dowd instead. And he's an NHL regular 3rd/ 4th liner. Great on the PK too.


They got him to help their AHL team in the playoffs. Their AHL team needed a better PP. Even though they had Sean Walker, Alex Lintuniemi, Paul Ladue and Kevin Gravel as their top defencemen in the AHL.

08 Jul 2018 04:57:20
But yet they didn't play him in the playoffs.

08 Jul 2018 08:07:01
@2707 Canucks weren’t going to the playoffs clearly, nick Dowd was a useless add for them and Ontario Reign made Jordan Subban a healthy scratch in every important game down the stretch including the whole first round of playoffs. Why say things when either you have no clue, or are completely lying?!

08 Jul 2018 08:14:38
Canucks REALLY wanted nick Dowd. That’s why 40 games later he’s a Washington capital lol it was a nothing trade.

08 Jul 2018 11:51:33
I'm just saying that Vancouver was desperate for a power play quarter back defensemen last year and the year before and they never once thought calling up Jordan Subban was a good idea, also worth noting Travis green the current HC of the canucks coached him for 2 years in Utica didn’t ask to call him up so that says a lot.

06 Jul 2018 15:51:05
Is there still a fantasy hockey league for this site? If so are there any open spots?

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06 Jul 2018 16:17:11
There is and there is currently no open spots as far as I know next season 2020 there may be an expansion tho.

06 Jul 2018 16:55:19
If any spots open up, I'm interested.

07 Jul 2018 09:03:34
You sure you're not just Montrealfinest and changed your fav team again? We thought about expanding the field by 2 managers before, so if that happens or someone bails, I'll make a post on here.

07 Jul 2018 20:19:54
Lol no, I used to be in it as draftMcdavid, but took some time away from the site, and decided I didn't like my name.

07 Jul 2018 22:26:38

He isn't finest because he used a comma and had an ''h''.

08 Jul 2018 08:52:14
@2707: fair lol
@PF: aight I remember you lol, people have been demanding your return anyways.

06 Jul 2018 14:24:40
I wouldn't be surprised if a 3 way deal happened with Erik Karlsson with Tampa and vancouver. I hope vancouver doesn't end up with Karlsson. just prospects and picks.

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06 Jul 2018 22:53:56
The third team not names Ottawa or Tampa would just be retaining some of a players contract and receiving picks for that.

Like Karlsson traded to NYR, NYR retaining money and trading him to Tampa. For example. Something around that idea.
The third team who just retains money on a contract will reciece picks for that. That's all.

06 Jul 2018 12:00:16
I know people have been saying it for the last 5 years or more but if tampa lands karlsson without giving much from there current roster I might even admit then that they might just be the cup favourite.

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06 Jul 2018 16:19:04
I don’t think they give up any key pieces ( one of Johnson, Callahan or Killhorn ), Foot and 1st.

06 Jul 2018 22:55:40
I and lots of people have been saying for years now that Yzerman is a wizard. If he pulls this off, especially with a good extension and maybe even without giving up Point or Sergachev (I would be shocked as Fuk if he pulls that off) .
Would be nuts. Yzerman if serving the best kool-aid in history in Tampa if those things happen.

05 Jul 2018 21:24:20
On the score, I saw a Myers for gardiner speculation. IMO, Gardiner is the better defenceman, but Myers is also a RHD, which seems to be in more demand at the moment. What do you think should be added to either side to make this a fair trade?

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05 Jul 2018 21:44:23
I think they’re pretty even, RH is what people think leafs need because we have Rielly and Gardiner on the Left and zaitsev on the Right in the top 4. But doing this just switches to looking for the top 4 LHD. Unless dubas and Babcock are confident enough in dermott to take gardiners spot and have

Rielly, Myers
Dermott, Zaitsev

I’m sure some people will say Myers has more value, he also makes 5.5mill compared to gardiners 4.05mill which probably levels any of that out.

05 Jul 2018 23:25:30
It's kind of a sideways trade. No point for either side really.

05 Jul 2018 23:45:05
Gardiner is also 10x better offensively and Puck moving.

06 Jul 2018 18:10:02
Gardner seems like a better play based on his point totals however 15 of his points came on the power play. He is a defensive liability as was very evident in the playoffs and would be in the 3rd pairing behind Morrissey and either Poolman, Kulikov or Niku. Myers has his faults but he is a right shot d-man who is under a very affordable contract and isn't a defensive nightmare that Gardner is. I think if the Jets move him he will be part of a package that could include possibly Perreault, Petan, Dano, Kulikov, Copp and even Little. No the Jets would have very little interest in Gardner.

06 Jul 2018 19:01:36
@islandjet: 15 of gardiners 52 points were on the PP so that inflates his value? 17 of Myers 36 pts were on the PP lol dumb argument #1

Gardiner is terrible defensively and yet he has a better CF% than Myers and a higher defensive impact rating. You’re basing your judgement of him on a single game, which happened to be the worst game of his life, which is what ill informed people do. Dumb argument #2

Myers is on an affordable contract at 5.5 million and gardiners at $4 mill is what exactly?! Somehow unaffordable? Lol dumb argument #3

I don’t mind you saying you would rather Myers, I even said some people could value Myers higher and that’s fair, but to use 3 clearly false things to call Gardiner a liability and nightmare shows you’re either extremely biased or really uneducated on the game.

06 Jul 2018 19:02:55
Jake Gardiner begins Poolman on the left side hahahahaha just saw that now. I hope you were laughing writing that.

06 Jul 2018 19:32:02
I understand what your writing and on paper your points are valid but the Leafs would trade Gardner and his 52 point, $4 mil contract for Myers any day as he is not a shut down d-man, is a mistake prone heart breaker. At his age he still makes the same mistakes that an 18 year old makes. I just hope that there is no validity to this trade rumor as Myers may be the missing piece the Leafs desperately need, a top 2 right shot d-man that could be a significant piece in Toronto ending their 52 year cup drought. I just don't see the Jets wanting or needing this team killing, mistake prone d-man. Why do you think there are so many posts about how the Leafs should unload him? By the way have you ever seen Poolman or Niku play?

06 Jul 2018 23:58:40
Eye test sees Myers make a lot of mistakes too. Analytics say Gardiner is better defensively. Plain as day stats say he’s far better offensively. Old school or new school the arguement doesn't hold water. You can like Myers better but each evaluation method points to Gardiner being anywhere from slightly to far better. Add in that he makes less and all Myers has over him is That he shoots right. I’m not a huge Gardiner fan and far from a Myers hater, but don’t sit here and try to show some gap between them like I’m comparing Gardiner to doughty lol.

07 Jul 2018 00:02:35
And saying Poolman would be higher on the depth chart than Gardiner for LD on WPG would be me telling you that if Myers came to Toronto he would be behind Andrew Nielsen on our right side haha but I wouldn’t do that because I don’t say outrageous stupid things to Put down a proven top 4 Nhl Dman like both these players are.

07 Jul 2018 15:19:59
Unbiased Jim its refreshing to get post from someone who actually backs up his point of view with well thought out facts, observations and opinions instead of insults and childish comments. I guess I'm not that into the analytics part of the game but more into what I observe about players. I think there would be teams that would be better trade partners than the Jets and Leafs for these two players. I personally hope Gardner stays with the Leafs as it would be good to see him rebound from that last horrible game. I may not agree with you but enjoy your insight and posts.

08 Jul 2018 08:09:52
Appreciate it. I try not to get too personal or anything and keep it a good conversation but sometimes we all get fired up haha I only let myself off the leash for Rambo now because he’s a different breed. I have no problem calling him an idiot. Respect the rest lol.

05 Jul 2018 17:16:25
Welcome to montreal jack hughes!!

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05 Jul 2018 17:40:28
They’ll probably go off the bored and take someone French knowing Bergivan but in all honesty it seems like every pick sense Galchenyuk they went off the board. You can debate about Sergachev I thought they should’ve took Jost but obviously he was a good pick.

05 Jul 2018 18:04:13
Montreal selects Samuel Poulin lol

05 Jul 2018 19:23:43
Vb where do you get these things man. Has bergevin ever went off the board and took someone French?

05 Jul 2018 23:46:01
No I’m just saying off the board the French part was a joke.

05 Jul 2018 14:44:25
As Mcjesus has pointed out, “Leafs will now have to trade marner And Nylander to keep Matthews.

So I looked into other teams. Between 2013 and 2015 Pittsburgh resigned their whole core. At time of signing:

5 players - Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Letang and Fleury received 58.5% of the salary cap at that time.

I put in some hypothetical amounts for Matthews (11.5mill) marner ($8mill) and Nylander ($6.25mill)

At today’s salary cap (which could very well be higher next year when Matthews and marners deals kick in) the leafs would be spending 62% of their cap on 7 players - Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, Andersen and Kadri.

How is that a bad situation?!?! I guess it’s stupid to want to be in as good of, if not better, position than the 2014 penguins right? Because what have they accomplished since then?! Lol.

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05 Jul 2018 15:45:36
Yes I agree jim if they can develop a couple top 6 dman that can produce on the cheap side they will be just fine. there is enough talent up front that even if they have to they should be able to fill the rest of the positions with cheap plugs and guys on entry level deals and still produce enough offense.

05 Jul 2018 16:04:47
I’d think Marner gets a similar contract to Schifele 7.25 I believe and Nylander signs a similar bridge deal to Kucherov 4.75. But on a long term deal 6.25 is reasonable. Marner also seems like the guy to take a hometown discount to me anyway.

05 Jul 2018 16:43:35
We would have to rely on finding wingers on the cheap which is exactly what the penguins did. Guentzel and sheary were after thoughts in a minor system but when you have the advantage of slotting those guys (kapanen, Johnsson, Leivo etc) in with great centres like Crosby and Malkin, and like we can on the other side of marner/ Tavares, Nylander/ Matthews, Kadri/ marleau it makes it easy for them to succeed. Then if they have a cpl good years and want a big raise like sheary did, you move him and find the next guy.

05 Jul 2018 16:53:53
The thing is Malkin and Crosby can win championships the leafs can’t right now as they’re constructed y’all will score 3 goals a game but give up 5 that defense is pathetic and I’m not a leafs hater Matthews is my favorite player.

05 Jul 2018 17:13:19
MadeinDade, The last cup penguins won, letang never played a shift in the playoffs, they had Ron Hainsey on their top pair. Hainsey is our 4th best D.

05 Jul 2018 17:42:49
When you can send 3 lines over the boards that should control the play in the offensive zone and all have defensively responsoble players on them (hyman, brown, Kadri, marleau, Tavares) it takes a lot of pressure of your D. Instead of great defense, you need simple and capable Dmen which is what Rielly, Zaitsev, Gardiner (not always simple, but adequate), hainsey and dermott are can be.

05 Jul 2018 18:33:07
I don’t think they’ll have too much problems resigning there main guys. But they also have highish paid defence that’ll make the cap squeeze worse. The third year on Marleau wasn’t ideal but hey they managed to get rid of Martin for nothing so that helps.

05 Jul 2018 18:36:04
Rielly is pretty damn good. I’d definitely say he has more value then Letang.

05 Jul 2018 18:33:07
I don’t think they’ll have too much problems resigning there main guys. But they also have highish paid defence that’ll make the cap squeeze worse. The third year on Marleau wasn’t ideal but hey they managed to get rid of Martin for nothing so that helps.

05 Jul 2018 18:36:04
Rielly is pretty damn good. I’d definitely say he has more value then Letang.

05 Jul 2018 19:00:40
Realistically, the thing is, we can afford all of the big three if we don't waste money on meh second/ third liners or #4 dmen. I wanted De Haan, but after seeing what he got, it makes sense why we didn't go for him.

SPend money on the core, don't spend it on role players like we did for guys like Clarkson before. Cheap depth around a good core wins chamipnsjips.

05 Jul 2018 19:42:55
Yeah. Dubas said before their pitch to tavares they ran through a whole bunch of different scenarios of Matthews, marner, Nylander signing for different amounts, short term, long term etc and said in no scenario could they not keep all 3. He said if there was any doubt he couldn’t keep them, he would have disclosed that to tavares because it wouldn’t be fair for him to commit not knowing the core would remain. In my original post above, that’s a great 7 pieces to start with for basically the same price Pitts spent on their best 5.


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