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04 Dec 2017 09:11:51
Canucks elder 1.5 or 2 retained and a 3

Penguin. Ion Cole and a 1 round pick

Canucks. Ben Hutton sven baertschi and a 2


Jets Kyle Connor

Canucks Sutter Ian Cole vanek

Mtl 1 round pick and 2 secornds

Probably never happen but they should do something like this

Then trade there 3 first round picks for the first overall


Canucks lines next year

Connor horvat boeser
Goldobin gadeutte virtanen
Sedin sedin erikson
gadjovich pettersson Lind

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04 Dec 2017 16:42:21
Not a chance the Jets trade Connor.

03 Dec 2017 21:12:40
If Ladd can get a 1st, Dano, conditional pick and Hanzel gets a 1st, 2nd and 4th round pick as rental UFAs, Does E. Kane and Neal deserve more if they are traded?
And if Philly decides to trade Simmonds, who has another year left on a great deal.

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04 Dec 2017 02:57:27
They do deserve more whether they get it or not is another thing. Timing will be very important if they wait for teams to get desperate then the return will be bigger.

04 Dec 2017 14:31:13
It depends on how many bible teams there are and how many contenders there are.

04 Dec 2017 23:26:23
I think E. Kane would be a great rental for Tampa.

03 Dec 2017 19:53:30
Is it time for Edmonton to get a new backup? Broissoit has let in 5 goals or more in 4 of his 5 starts. Any suggestions?

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03 Dec 2017 21:07:00
Believe it or not they still like him right now and will give him some more time before considering replacing him.
But more time and if he is still having 4+ goals allowed then I think they either give Ellis a few starts and see how he does or look for a verteran back up maybe. But for right now, they are still actually fine with LB.

04 Dec 2017 00:23:47
Eddie Lack to EDM for a 4th

04 Dec 2017 09:07:54
Cam Talbot. Then they can look for a new starting goalie. This is kind of fun being a douche bag like yup.

04 Dec 2017 09:08:06
You can't pin anything on one player right now in Edm. The whole team isn't playing well this year. And especially now without Larsson, Talbot and Sekera out.
Two of your top 4 D and starting goalie out. Any team in the league would struggle a little with those out.
Imagine Calgary with Hamilton, Brodie and Smith out.

Our D with Auuvitu and Gryna in full time is so bad. They are 7th d man to step In for a few games here and there. Not full timers. I'm not making up excuses, my team is legit playing bad right now. No excuse. Lol. I'm actually criticizing my own team negatively.

04 Dec 2017 09:09:15
But I could be wrong. Not afraid to admit.
I'm not sure how long Talbot will be out for, if it's longer than just another week or so, then maybe they do go after someone else. I like Pickard for some reason. Maybe Hutchinson, Even Halak (only if talbot out longer than a week or two) .
But I still think they are ok with LB and will give Ellis a shot if not %100 confident in LB

But without Larsson and Sekera, that D is brutal. Can't expect much with two of the top 4 D and starting goalie out. Sucks.

04 Dec 2017 16:47:35
Leafs17. At least I don't make disgraceful comments about pediphiles that then get deleted by admin.
Not sure what your hard in for me is all about. You need to get over it man.

03 Dec 2017 02:47:06
22 years ago to the day the wings beat montreal 11 to 1 we'll tonight was a different story. Maybe something good we'll come out of it this time for the habs cause we all know what happened after the game 22 years ago lol

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03 Dec 2017 04:54:21
Ya remember? Yet your the first one to wanna trade Price.

03 Dec 2017 12:49:21
The problem wasn't they traded roy it was what they got for him. we have a much better GM now then we had then. He wouldn't be pressured into making a trade like ole Reggie was.

03 Dec 2017 16:30:27
Well I will say he's better than Houle. but I still don't see why the love for Bergevin.

04 Dec 2017 00:51:11
I've got plenty of reasons why I consider him at least a decent GM but if you are actually a habs fan and don't at least know most of them by now it's pretty pointless to even get into it.

04 Dec 2017 02:42:56
Ya. it's pretty pointless.

04 Dec 2017 20:43:53
At least Sosa is a sane Habs fab, down to earth and realistic.

05 Dec 2017 03:02:02
Of course you would say that yup he agrees with everything you say lol. i'm starting to think you are both the same person.

05 Dec 2017 03:50:59
Bahaha!

05 Dec 2017 05:14:32
Lucic, Radulov, Sergachev and Subban all more points than Drouin, Pacioretty and Galchenyuk right now.

05 Dec 2017 10:10:14
Phil kessel and Jakob vorachek have more points the mcdavid right now. Edmonton is among the worst teams in the league right now. What's your point yup?

05 Dec 2017 12:45:12
The same person hey Habby? And I agree with everything he says? Damn I wish I knew u in person. Your a goof.

05 Dec 2017 15:19:10
You seem like a nice enough guy Sosa, so you’re definitely not the same guy. I’ve never seen you be rude and inconsiderate to anyone, until now of course. You do however agree with everything that yup says. I think that’s partially because you’re a secret Oiler fan. Yup and chirpy have been bashing people on here for years for their trade proposals, yet rarely ever post one themselves. Yes there are some annoying trolls but there are many just trying to have fun, only to get bashed by the 2 smartest arm chair GM’s in hockey. When playing nice, they are both educated hockey fans, yet very bias. Most of the time unfortunately, just sarcastic know it alls. Did I cover everything yup? You asked, now I will let it go like you asked.

05 Dec 2017 17:49:17
Jus kinda get sick of Habbys lil remarks. but Ya, I might have gotten a lol carried away and for that I apologize. As for agreeing with Yup. on most counts I do. Lol. If I don't, I'm a big boy I'll have a good ole fashion respectful debate with him. as for being a secret Oilers fan. not going to lie. my Heart is always with the Canadiens. however I'm from the West, BC. I hate the Nucks and when succeeding, both Edmonton and Calgary. I will jump on the wagon . if Montreal is out. I do take Edmonton over Calgary as well.
Latley there has been a lot of trolls, clowns and jus complete goofs on here. I've been on for awhile, and back then we had 2 guys. The famous Montreals Finest, as well as a Blues fan with a few names. or a 3rd I guess. Pinball. These guys had some different beliefs forsure, but they did not post a bunch of BS that was absolute nonsense. nor did they insult or call others down. it was jus good fun and usually there wasn't any personal shots.
So when people talk crap about me. Ya I'm going to get my back up. but I shoulda let cooler heads prevail and not stoop to others levels.
Anyway. that's my rant. now back to hockey.

05 Dec 2017 20:39:55
I’m sure we can all get back to hockey. There is some very good talk and proposals at times. Yes the trolls are ridiculous. The St. Louis fan you’re referring to, I truly believe he valued the players on his team that high. The Blues did end up trading “one of the best playmakers in hockey” for Schenn. I don’t understand that one but even real GM’s are off on their value of players. Yet that guy was beat down every time he spoke by some high school bullies. I will only ever be rude to someone if I feel they are being rude to others. I apologize yup if you think I was personally attacking you but I was. Hopefully we can get back to hockey.

05 Dec 2017 21:39:53
Chill out Sosa if I'm a Goof why would you even want to know me in person? I wouldn't consider you a goof but I still don't wanna know you in person. Yup absolutely hates the habs which I don't mind cause eventhough for years the oilers were my 2nd favourite team I'm really starting to hate them as we'll. for a team who have had the high draft picks they have had over the last few years and be this bad it's ridiculous. for a guy that sees this but still makes a point of getting on here and crapping on everyone else is pathetic. And my problem with you Sosa is not that I think your a goof or clueless like yup would say it's the fact you constantly agree with him. Have some respect and faith for your team man and stop supporting a guy who has no respect for anyone else on here.

05 Dec 2017 22:21:49
I don't completely hate the Habs. When did I ever say that?
I hate delusion and trolling. I've always said that. I call out delusion when I see it.

05 Dec 2017 22:23:27
Wow. Seems you two take this so personal. Sorry I'm dealing with feelings here. Hope you guys can get passed this. Don't be delusional and I won't bash you. Lol.

05 Dec 2017 22:26:44
It is unfortunate hab that some people on this site make you like the the team less.

05 Dec 2017 23:07:58
Lol. Habby. I'll agree with anyone on here if I believe they are right, I'd disagree with them as well. Anyway. it's all good. let's jus get back to hockey.

06 Dec 2017 08:08:06
No leafs17 nobody makes me like my team less. I stand by my team through the good and the bad. I just don't like when people constantly bash other peoples opinion on here. Yup has been terrible for this. In his defence sometimes the trades have been awful but this site and every other site like it is the same. You shouldn't call people dump clueless or anything else. There might be kids on here posting trades it's no way to talk to them and it's not setting a good example. if you don't agree with something just say you don't and give reasons why. No need for all the name calling and other garbage. Yup comes across as a know it all. But guess what he doesn't know anymore then you or me or anyone else on here lol. He can be insightful on times but lately he's just acting like a child and because of the way he's acting the trolling is at a all time high.

06 Dec 2017 09:00:21
Agreed. You are the original hab right? You and I disagreed on many things years ago but there was always a mutual respect. Ovie was always respectful too. I definitely don’t change the way I feel about my team by what people say. I meant cheering for other teams.

06 Dec 2017 10:09:44
Yes leaf17 you are right.

06 Dec 2017 12:53:49
Awe. I feel better about this moving forward I'll try not to hurt your feelings anymore. I will criticize the delusion from in a more friendly matter moving forward buddy.
We are all friends here.

02 Dec 2017 21:39:33
Flyers 10 straight loss. Even tho Hextall says he believes in his group and won't make any big significant trades, Does every believe that? They held a closed door meeting a few nights ago.

Who is their untouchables, and who could maybe be available.

Untouchables:
Patrick
Provorov
Konechy
Ghost
Couturier

Available:
Simmonds
McDonald
Filpula
Wiese

Keep Giroux and Vorochek?

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03 Dec 2017 05:16:44
If the right situation came. I'd even consider trading Patrick. only Provorov would be absolutley untouchable. not saying trade Patrick, however, I'd listen if the right names were said coming the other way. who those names are. I dunno lol
Philly hasn't had a good goalie since Hextalls rookie season way back, thin was 87 88 season. I jus don't know what goalie out there would be available to help this team. Lots of great starters in the league, but I don't see that guy who is wasting away being a backup., that could change Phillys fortune. any ideas Yup?

03 Dec 2017 15:09:53
Ryan Miller? Old but still a capable starter. Vlarmov?

04 Dec 2017 23:28:36
Ryan Miller is staying in Anahiem. He wanted to by on the west coast to be in the same time zone as his wife a Hollywood actress living in LA. Hence why he wanted to go to Vancouver. He really wanted to go to San Jose or LA or Anaheim. Now he's in Anaheim, the LA area and will
Probably just stay there until he retires. He's probably fine as a backup role now that he's in that area with wife and kid.

05 Dec 2017 20:38:35
I don't think Miller is the answer. I don't see him any better than what they have now. I know they have Hart in the system. he could be really good. or maube he's not. I'm trying to think of a Darling or Talbot type. however they aren't really doing that great this year either. Not saying they, especially Talbot won't rebound. For some reason, I still think James Reimer could be a decent starter. but. Luongo is going to be done soon, so they wouldn't want to part with him I imagine. someone mid to late 20' who needs a chance as a starter. Any one come to mind?

02 Dec 2017 20:34:18
EDM: Brossoit
TOR: Russell, 3rd in 2019

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03 Dec 2017 02:06:33
I don’t think this is how trades work.

03 Dec 2017 07:46:42
Amazing deflection by Brodie tonight. Great goal.

03 Dec 2017 19:35:02
Yup, I’ll ask your opinion when I want to tank for 10 years or how to waste 1st overall picks (yes I am salty about the game)

03 Dec 2017 21:10:06
I don't blame you. I would be salty too.
I was salty after the Leafs/ Oilers game the other night, especially when Flames fans were coming out of the wood work to make fun of the Russell own goal when the Flames weren't even involved in the game. Now Brodie scores on himself in that matchup. I thought it was great.
I think you'll still make the playoffs man, but might need to improve somewhere. The D is so overrated. Might need a scoring winger too?

04 Dec 2017 09:05:46
Are you serious? After what Russell did versus the leafs yup.

02 Dec 2017 20:33:39
WPG: Laine, Schiefele, Hellebucyk
TOR: Freddy Andersen

Winnipeg gets a great goalie and gets rid of two great fwds but are very deep so they can afford it

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02 Dec 2017 21:14:29
Jets add the rest of the team. Anderson is so good he could probably get a shutout and a Hat trick in the same game.

03 Dec 2017 06:50:52
Is this pinballs new account anyone know?

02 Dec 2017 19:01:06
Doughty should be talking to Tavares instead of Kalrsson. Saying to Tavares "hey man. Let's both sign 1 year $5M contracts in Toronto. Try and win a cup, then whatever". Now that would be crazy.

But he wants to be known as one of the highest paid players in the league instead. He'll get $10M+ on the open market as a FA. Someone will pay that %100
Karlsson could get $12-13M on the open market.

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02 Dec 2017 19:24:59
Id hate to see the NHL turn into the NBA where they have these "Super Teams.
I think Bergevin really screwed up the FA market by signing PK to such a high number. cause ya, now these guys can command 10+ no problem.
Im also wondering in NHL should consider an age cap got contracts. only long term till 35. then max 2 year deals.? Paying some of these guys 10+ in there over the hill age is going to be hard on teams. Yes, Price is my fav. but not sure paying him 10+ when he is passed 35 is a good idea.

02 Dec 2017 20:39:40
Yes Sosa bergevin is the cause of everything wrong in the world. Lol you do know he wasn't the first person to pay a big contract. i mean even if you had said it was glen sathers fault for his contracts he gave to gomez and drury it wouldn't have been so bad lol.

02 Dec 2017 21:36:55
That's old news Habby. I'm talking bout since the New CBA. Anyway, why you so in love with Bergevin.? What has he done to this team to make them a contender?

02 Dec 2017 21:42:02
And Habby. think bout it. are Karlsson and Doughtys agents going to compare contracts to Drury and Gomez. thinkin probably not.

03 Dec 2017 03:49:48
Bergevin is doing a fine job best Gm we have had since sam pollack.

03 Dec 2017 14:14:55
Really sorry but Tavares is already doing this in Tampa, you're too late bud.

02 Dec 2017 09:08:17
Not a hate post, but just a serious question for Oiler fans such as Yup and McJesus.

What's your honest opinion on Peter Chiarelli?

For me, I'd list his moves like this:

Good moves:
- Patrick Maroon for a 4th Round Pick.
Good trade, Maroon is a solid vet presence/ third liner on most teams.

- Cam Talbot for a 2nd Round Pick.
Starting goalie for a couple picks: good move.

- Matt Benning / Drake Caggiula signings
Two college boys who both became decent players.

- Zach Kassian for Ben Scrivens.
Kassian panned out as something for Edmonton, Scrivens was a dud.

Bad moves:
- Matthew Barzal and Anthony Beauvillier for Griffin Reinhart.
No need to go in depth, too much for a guy who was already approaching bust territory.

- Justin Schultz for a 3rd Round Pick.
Seems like very little for Schultz. Yeah, his value was low, but he was a 20-30 point dman. Plus, Edmonton could use a guy with his puck-moving skills now.

- Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson + Milan Lucic signing.
Hall for Larsson was too little imo. A first should have came back with Larsson, or at least something. Cause Hall is better, no doubt. Larsson is good, but he's no superstar. Plus, Milan Lucic as the replacement for Hall is good in short-term, but will sting long-term. Too long of a deal for Lucic.

- Drafting Pulj instead of trading down.
It was rumored for long that Edmonton was going to drop to 8th in the 2016 draft, and trade the 4th overall pick to Montreal in exchange for the 8th++. Imagine if the Oil had Serg ++ instead of Pulj.

- Nail Yakupov for a 3rd.
Yes, yes, he was a bust. But, he played less than half the year with McDavid. They hardly tried him with McD. Maybe, who knows, if McD/ Yak came through for a season, maybe Yak actually turns decent (not good, but more valuable than a 3rd) . Right now, I'd rather have Yak than a 3rd, then again, STL gave up on him too.

- Jordan Eberle for Ryan Strome.
It was for cap, or whatever. No. He should have gotten something more than a dud in Strome back. Eberle was a solid 60 point guy. Of course he wasn't going to get a top tier dman, hell, he probably wouldn't have gotten a guy like Sam Vatanen, however, he is worth more than Strome.

- Kris Russell extension.
Paying a guy 4x4 is a big deal, and Russell is an up and down dman who is kinda iffy. Idk. Not the worst move here.


So, again. Not a hate post. But I was just looking over Chiarellis work, because someone on IG said that he had traded away:

Seguin (when he was on Boston) Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Barzal, Beau and Schultz for.

Larsson, Strome and two 3rd's. (these pieces are still left) .

Which got me thinking. So yeah.

And Boston fans, if ya read this, how did you like Chiarelli?

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02 Dec 2017 09:45:46
Fair assessment, imo.

02 Dec 2017 10:54:25
I wasn't going to read and just say, you worry about yourself.
But the decided to give in. Lol

You say picks for in other trades the decide to add in who the team decided to pick (Barzel) in that one. 15 other teams passed up on Barzel, That's completely messed up. At least say who the player Rangers selected in the 2nd round in the talbot trade instead on "2nd"'rounder.

Maroon was for a 4th and a career AHLer AND got Anaheim to retain money for three years. At least make it right. That turned out amazing.

Kassian turned out amazing as well. Not just an "ok"
Trade. That turned out way better than just ok.

Talbot turned out to be unreal as well.



Holy F. When they trade Hall they NEEDED D man and needed to get bigger and tougher. Hence why they wanted Lucic and traded for Maroon and Kassian.
Lucic $ is fine but I've always been vocal about not liking to term but there are comparable sat the exact same Free agency time that makes it easy to take. Still just don't like the term (a lot of GMs in the cap era are making most laws with contract TERM these days)

The Oilers actually were never going to trade down in that draft. They had their eyes set on Sergachev until CLB surprised everyone and took PLD ahead of Pul when everyone had it as Mathews - Liane - Pul
They didn't take Pul and that changed everything. At that time and the way they were ranked by ALL of not most analyst, you would be PISSED, AT THE TIME, if your GM passed up on Pul, at that time.

Tak just needed a chance of scenery. Had low value. One dimensional. Wish him the best of luck. You do. It get a lot of value back in those trade. I could bring up a million of those type of change of scenery trades for every team.
Also, Fuk Dallas Eakins.

I hate the Russell extension. Don't mind $4M. At 2 years. It was 4 years. That's that term thing again I've spoken about so much. LOTS of GMs around the league are making mistakes when it comes to term. I could also name a millions of these bad style of singings around the league.

02 Dec 2017 11:08:42
Should do this for Montreal.
Imagine if they had Subban, Sergachev, Markov, Radulov, instead of Weber, Drouin, Striet and Hemsky.

Ya. Chiarelli is doing fine. Lots of wins. Some losses.
The players themselves are playing terrible right now. If anyone is to blame it's the players. An Eberle or Sekera in the lineup is not the difference right now. There are a lot of players playing bad.
With Sekera being out for months at the start of the year I think PC should have made a trade for a D man at the beginning of the year. Going with two of Benning, Gryba and Auuvitu, was never going to work. If you're going to critic anything I would say not fixing that Sekera injury problem out at the start of the year is the biggest.

Another one, When they traded Eberle on the off season, they didn't trade him for Strome in hopes Strome would replace Eberle. They had hoped the team would spread that out. Hoping Pul was now ready (he's only 19! Chill) or Slepy, Drake, other younger would step up a bit.
Pul had a bad camp, Yamamoto came out and had an amazing camp. Changed the whole "plan"
And now lots of the players are having bad starts.
It's NOT PCs fault for this bad start. It's the players.

Worry about your own teams.
"Superstars" Marner and Nylander both demoted to fourth line for extended period of times. Things are fine there too.

02 Dec 2017 13:02:58
&the point bout Barzal/ Reinhart?

Sure, I can point out who the Rangers picked, but who cares? Edmonton clearly won the deal.

Barzal however, I remember watching that trade live. Edmonton couldve picked him, it was the 15th pick, and Edmonton then only decided to trade it + the a second for Reinhart. the second was moved up and became Beau.

15 other teams missed. But edmonton could have also had him. If edmonton traded pick15 when they picked McDavid, then sure. But i do remember, the pick was traded right before the Barzal selection.

02 Dec 2017 13:43:33
Yup is such a homer chirelli is as bad as any gm.

02 Dec 2017 15:01:45
You know Edmonton never had the Beauvillier pick right? It was the Rags pick that went to Tampa in the St Louis deal and sure Iles got it using EDM second as one piece but also threw in a 3rd. Oilers didn't give up Beauvillier because they don't get Beauvillier with the picks they gave up.

02 Dec 2017 15:24:39
@Jbs


Oh yeah, my bad. It was like Tampa traded down and got Mitch Stephens + while NY got beau. You're right bout that. So change Beau to Stephens.

02 Dec 2017 19:02:37
Are you a defense attorney yup? If not, you’re in the wrong business.

02 Dec 2017 19:10:05
@Yup

Thanks for your input.

Only reason I did this on Edmonton and not Montreal is cause relatively, I thought Montreal was going to be complete s*** this year. They had no foundation. They trDed a 19 year old dman for a winger. Everyone knows MB is a bad GM, and everyone knows he's made terrible moves, there's relatively no denying it. With Edmonton however, they were thought of as a cup finalist this year, didn't happen. There has to be something, and its not just the players faults. Edmonton lacks scoring, and look who they traded away: Hall, Eberle and Yakupov. Sure, you can say Hall for Larsson was fair cause you needed dman, but at the end of the day, there's no denying it, its a woefully insufficient return. Just like when my Leafs traded Kessel, they got a woefully insufficient return. Kessel and Hall were/ superstars and deserved more than they got.

And if you're going to say the Kassian/ Maroon trades were really 'amazing', then the Barzal and Eberle trades must be really, really bad. Jus sayin.

And the ending with the Leafs, yeah, Marner and Nylander have had problems, but they still are at 17 and 21 points each, respectively, Everyone in Toronto is pitching in, and really, the only bad moves mad by Lou, that I remember, are Zaitsy's seven years (would've preferred five), taking Korshkov over Debrincat in 2016 (lots of teams passed on Debricant so idek) and the Kessel deal, which was actually orchestrated by Dubas/ Hunter. So yeah. I'm sorry if I ticked ya off a bit, cause you're telling me to 'mind my own team', but can't I observe other teams as well?

02 Dec 2017 19:12:03
@Yup

Thanks for your input.

Only reason I did this on Edmonton and not Montreal is cause relatively, I thought Montreal was going to be complete s*** this year. They had no foundation. They trDed a 19 year old dman for a winger. Everyone knows MB is a bad GM, and everyone knows he's made terrible moves, there's relatively no denying it. With Edmonton however, they were thought of as a cup finalist this year, didn't happen. There has to be something, and its not just the players faults. Edmonton lacks scoring, and look who they traded away: Hall, Eberle and Yakupov. Sure, you can say Hall for Larsson was fair cause you needed dman, but at the end of the day, there's no denying it, its a woefully insufficient return. Just like when my Leafs traded Kessel, they got a woefully insufficient return. Kessel and Hall were/ superstars and deserved more than they got.

And if you're going to say the Kassian/ Maroon trades were really 'amazing', then the Barzal and Eberle trades must be really, really bad. Jus sayin.

And the ending with the Leafs, yeah, Marner and Nylander have had problems, but they still are at 17 and 21 points each, respectively, Everyone in Toronto is pitching in, and really, the only bad moves mad by Lou, that I remember, are Zaitsy's seven years (would've preferred five), taking Korshkov over Debrincat in 2016 (lots of teams passed on Debricant so idek) and the Kessel deal, which was actually orchestrated by Dubas/ Hunter. So yeah. I'm sorry if I ticked ya off a bit, cause you're telling me to 'mind my own team', but can't I observe other teams as well?

02 Dec 2017 21:32:14
Lol. Chiarelli isn't anywhere near as bad as MB. That's hilarious. MacT is tho! Lol.
The players are playing like crap in Edm. Not the GM.
I have criticized my GM in many ways, don't you guys worry. Should have made a deal for a D man when found out Sekera was out long term. Maybe even a winger, but he had hoped guys were going to step up, and they didn't when they should have.

03 Dec 2017 03:54:11
Chirelli did such a horrible job in Boston in his last years there that he should have never got another job in any capacity in the nhl. Bergevin has picked better players off waivers then chirelli has aquired since coming to edm lol.

03 Dec 2017 07:48:14
Habby, Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahhahhahahahaha
Lmao that's hilarious.

03 Dec 2017 12:51:54
Oh I get it now yup. Things that are true are funny to you hahahahahahahahahaha now that's hilarious.

04 Dec 2017 09:00:07
Observe whoever you want Top shelf. At least you can admit the Kessel return was weak. Yup thinks he knows everything, insults everyone, yet can’t take it when someone judges the mighty oilers. Who knows, maybe they still get into the playoffs. Or maybe another 1st overall pick is in store for them.

04 Dec 2017 16:50:53
You say some of the dumbest things on this whole page Leafs17. You really are a high school kid aren't you?
I only insult delusion, not everyone. You need to get over your big hard on for me man.

01 Dec 2017 22:51:19
Based on doughty's recent comments I don't think he'll resign in LA. I do think Toronto would be a good fit for him and I think have the assets for him. Yes they could wait until he becomes a free agent but my guess is 30 other teams are going to be interested. LA does a signs doughty 7 years 10.5/year and trades with Toronto

LA- Doughty

Tor- nylander, dermott, kapenen and this years 1st

With nylander being a part of the package Leafs won't have to worry about giving his big raise and not being able too afford doughy. It's obvious leafs would get a right handed young(ish) top d man, and kings get top 6 winger possibly 2 depending how you value kappinen, s potential top 4-6 d man and a mid- later 1st. Good offer from leafs and for kings it's better than losing him for nothing. Like I said it'd be a sign and trade

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02 Dec 2017 03:07:05
If he's just going to sign there as a UFA after next season, as you say. Then why trade that much for him. If he wants to sign in Toronto he will, and no need to worry about 29 other teams or having to trade for him to show him you want him. He'll damn well know you want him lol.
But, you will have to let one of Marner or Nylander go in the next comin years of Doughty comes to Toronto. Especially for more than PKs $9M which is what he says he's worth and what he wants.
If LAK knows he's not resigning with them they take this deal and run.

02 Dec 2017 04:41:25
Just for fun, It’s possible to have them all, just need a solid stream of cheap young players coming in like Chicago and Pittsburgh. That’s where Leivo, kapanen, Sosh, dermott etc come in. Theoretically:

Matthews $11, marner $6, nylander $6,
Marleau $6.25, kadri $4.5, hyman $2.25
Brown $2.1,

Rielly $5, Doughty $10.5
Gardiner $4, Zaitsev $4.5

Andersen $5

That’s $67.1 million worth of guys locked up for 1-5 more years after doughty would be available. The cap seems to be going up $2-3mill a year, it’s at 75mill today. Say it’s near $80 mill in 2 years. Gives them 13 mill left with 7 good forwards, a good top 4 D and a great goalie. With a few entry level contracts and a few cheap veterans for bottom pair D (Polak type) and 4th line (dom Moore type) and a cheap veteran back up, it can be done. The bargains this management got on guys like kadri, Rielly, zaitsev and Andersen over the past 2 years allow them flexibility. Also marleaus deal overlaps this by only a single year. Then 6mill more is free for raises or other shopping.

I’m not saying this will happen, it’s a long time till then and things can change. Leaf fans have been lead on by UFAs before lol but people saying it’s impossible isn’t true. For the first time in decades they have a management team that I believe can pull stuff like this off.

Anyway, criticize away lol.

02 Dec 2017 12:57:21
And @Unbiased, Marleaus up in a year, so 6 million free.

02 Dec 2017 21:30:08
Isn't this Marleuas first of three years? He has two more years after this one, no?

02 Dec 2017 23:56:29
I’m a huge doughty fan, I’d like to see him on the leafs I just don’t think he’d choose the be there if he hit the open market. That’s why I suggested the sign and trade. Leafs give up a bunch yes but they also get exactly what they want in doughty. But yeah I guess if he was to sign a contract knowing that he’d be traded to a team he didn’t want to go to he wouldn’t sign. I just wanted to get if the offered package would be acceptable for doughty.

 


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