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10 Aug 2018 21:39:44
I still can't believe in 2015 the Bruins had the 13th,14th and 15th picks and they picked who they picked.

Barzel was a conscious top 10 pick and I was kinda hoping Toronto was going to move down if Strome wasn't available to 8th with Columbus so they could draft him because there were rumours of Columbus looking to move up at the time to select Hanfin. As the draft went on I could not believe Barzel AND Kyle Connor fell down to the Bruins. I was thinking to myself they're going to draft Barzel, Connor and Zbroil ( who at the time was thought to be a safe pick for a top four shut down dman and projected to go higher then his d partner Thomas Chabot. )

At the time I thought Zbroil was a good pick but I still can't believe they took Debrusk and Zach Senyshyn. Just imagine how much better the Bruins would be with Connor and Barzal. Then there was Charlie taking Rienhart over Chabot/Barzal, Zacha going 6th, leafs trading the Konechny pick and Oliver Kylington falling.

How can a GM who gets paid millions not see what almost every other fan could see. If it wasn't for Barzals mid season injury that led him to miss the world Juniors he could've easily been the 3rd pick.

Anyway out of all the drafts I watched the 2015 draft was the funnest of them all. What was your guys favourite draft?

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10 Aug 2018 22:01:24
2016 just the whole media trying to make a huge story out of maybe Toronto takes laine maybe Winnipeg takes puljarvi. When there was no question. Then the actual surprise at #3.

10 Aug 2018 22:12:55
Yeah I remember having a little giggle at those picks at the time too. All 3 seemed a little off the board for where they were, luckily for them debrusk looks ok.
One draft that comes to mind for me is 1990 the big 4 from the chl. Nobody could really predict what order they would go which was rare even for back then. Pens nabbed jagr at 5 which was still surprising he went that early even considering how talented he was. yeah things were different then lol. i had predicted at the time the habs would draft keith tkachuk at 12th I think they were, but instead they took turner Stevenson who was just amazing lol.

11 Aug 2018 00:23:48
Lol that draft was over 10 years before I was born.

11 Aug 2018 01:12:07
I'm surprised Boucherd dropped to Oilers and both Wahlstrom and Dobson fell to isles
Van, NYR, ARI, and I forget who else in the top ten surprised.

11 Aug 2018 03:36:31
I’ve kinda had a laugh at how they screwed up those 3 picks but in all honesty, after that 7 game series against us this season, Debrusk looks like a player. Not barzal obviously, but a skilled power forward that drives the net really hard and will fit in on that team and be adored by those fans if he plays like he did that series.

At Alpaca, I remember friends of mine trying to convince me the leafs might pass up Matthews after hearing that lol they do it every year. I remember they did the same thing with doughty over stamkos (which doesn’t seem so crazy now but at the time it was stamkos spot to lose) and the very next year with hedman over Tavares (when again, hedmans amazing but he took some time, and Tavares had broken gretzkys OHL goals record lol) .

And then there was a story that came out years later, can’t rememebr who ran the story, but was telling how islanders scouts and management really were debating who to take right till draft day, but it wasn’t JT/ Hedman, the room was apparently split between JT and Duchene who went 3rd to Avs lol.

11 Aug 2018 05:33:29
Debrusk is good but they shouldn’t have reached with gems in front of them. @ yup yah oilers and Islanders got lucky.

12 Aug 2018 02:05:29
Yup I don’t think VAN’s pick was a suprise. From what I was seeing Hughes was going to be the 2nd D taken. Montreal’s pick was expected to go outside of the top 10 weeks before the draft and I was seeing Boqvist possibly outside the top 10 too. But yeah I’m really jealous of the Isles draft.

12 Aug 2018 05:54:36
Actually ebs after his strong performance at the under 18 championship in April most list after that had kotkaniemi in the top 10 and some had him as high as 3rd. Bob mckenzie who usually picks the top 10 as good as any list had him at 5th.

12 Aug 2018 07:51:12
Okay I might be wrong but I seen him jump to around 12-15 then the thought was he was either going 3rd or around 10. But I don’t keep up with the prospects all that much so your probably right.

12 Aug 2018 11:28:55
I was suprised Kotkanhowever the hell you say it was picked at 3 as well. Oh boy. fingers crossed. Really wanted Zadina. but hope the Finn does well.

12 Aug 2018 15:42:36
Yeah ebs around mid season he was still around 12th I think.

10 Aug 2018 16:19:18
And the award for best user name on this site goes to itookdonscherry! Lololol

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10 Aug 2018 01:10:20
Just a question because I don't see him play enough to judge. Is Seabrook not still a very good defenseman? I know his contract is huge and I don't know if Chicago would be in a position to retain say $2 million. I was thinking he would be a good fit in Toronto with Stanley cup experience as well.

Obviously not at $6.8 but under $5 maybe? Carrick could go the other way which would free up salary for Chicago and he is an RFA at seasons end. Maybe other pieces would have to be involved. This might not be a good idea but I don't see the leafs getting Parayko orTrouba without giving up too much.

The leafs could probably let Gardiner walk next season and fit Seabrook in. Chicago IMO would be open to try and unload his contract while getting younger but retaining $2 million for 6 years may be a deal breaker. I'm just trying to think of other options on defense for Toronto. Franson? I read an article that he is looking for a home, not one year deals.

I know he has said in the past that he loved his time in Toronto. $3 million for 3 years? I'm sure you guys will let me know how bad these ideas are.

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10 Aug 2018 02:25:29
I think seabrook would be a decent fit short term. He's still a capable 2nd pair dman. It's. The 6 years which would be scary for the leafs. but I'd be totally against Franson at that price cause he should be much cheaper then that. Maybe 1 year 1.5 or 2 year 1.4 per year would do it then he probably be worth taking another chance on.

10 Aug 2018 02:32:58
Seabrook very good? No he’s a 4th dman he still has the hands but his feet are gone. He’s probably as good as Tyler Myers now.

10 Aug 2018 04:18:06
I only said 3 years habby because he’s looking for a longer contract than one year. I’ve always liked him even though he’s not the shutdown man the leafs need. Vbb’s I remember you bashing Seabrook many times. They just gave him that contract a couple years ago. Did he fall apart?

10 Aug 2018 04:19:52
I’d be happy with Myers as well. Is Seabrook at $5 million still that bad?

10 Aug 2018 08:51:04
He's barely a top 4 guy anymore, prolly not for much longer.

10 Aug 2018 11:19:48
Thanks for the info guys. I thought he was still a top pairing d man with an outrageous contract.

10 Aug 2018 13:00:55
Seabrook had a down year but so did everyone on the hawks I think he still has a couple good years left in him. Probably not 6 good ones though. I don't see how Franson can honestly expect a 3 year deal considering he spent most of last year in the minors. He played well there though and if he would accept a 0ne year deal for cheap he might be worth taking a chance on again.

10 Aug 2018 13:33:33
You could probably get Franson for 1 year at $1M. Or even a PTO first.
I don't think it's smart st all for any team to retain that much money for that long like your suggesting the Hawks do. Especially for only Carrick coming back.

10 Aug 2018 15:16:02
For less than $5 mill I would like seabrook for 3 years maybe. He’s not a top pair guy anymore for sure, but if he was, $6.8 mill wouldn’t be outrageous money, right? It’s just seeing the decrease in him from age 31-33, really makes me worry what we would be getting from 33-36, let alone 37-38.

Unfortunately it’s like Weber. He’s the perfect Dman for Toronto. Absolute beast RHD that would take so much pressure off Rielly, plays all situations, but again it’s those last few years on the deal that make it an easy no for me. Those guys were both warriors for a long time and were always in the playoffs and representing Canada, so a ton of extra really hard miles on their bodies. This when we will see their game slow down and injuries pile up.

10 Aug 2018 15:29:05
Yah by year for of that contract you'd be paying 6 million for a 6th dman Chicago definitely regrets that contract he’s one of the most washed up players in the game.

10 Aug 2018 16:11:30
Big difference with weber though jim. If he's beat up by the time his last 2 or 3 years of his deal rolls around then he will just retire. Why force it for 1 mil per year at that point. The other difference is weber is still a top pair dman and until I see any difference in him I don't believe the decline rumor. Plus this is the first battle with injuries he's ever had. Just montreal luck it happened with them. in his 26 games with montreal on one leg last year he was still as good as he ever was.

10 Aug 2018 17:33:08
Oh yeah, I’m not saying Weber isn’t a top pair. I fully believe he is. I meant the last 3-4 years of both those deals, which is seabrook till 37 or whatever and Weber till 41. They’re not at the same point of decline right now at all, but by the same point in that contract I would assume he will be.

And seabrooks contract is front loaded too. Not quite like Weber’s obviously because it’s half as long. But he’s only owed $8 over the last 3 years. Plus if Weber retires early he really screws Nashville badly on cap recapture. But that’s not Montreal’s problem lol.

10 Aug 2018 19:53:37
I think it could benefit montreal if he decides to retire in the last couple years maybe Nashville will pay a hefty price to get his rights so they could avoid that cap recapture.

10 Aug 2018 20:06:01
Yeah. I remember we talked about that before. He would have to be on board with it, but saves preds $24+mill in cap space. That’s got to be worth a prospect and a afford pick or two if it gets to that point. Funny to think about, but the prospect it could cost the preds by that time might be playong peweee hockey right now lol.

10 Aug 2018 20:12:19
Yes but I got a feeling when the next CBA is discussed this could be one of the things they change so nothing might not ever come out of it lol.

10 Aug 2018 22:27:39
Ya yupp I said other pieces may have to be involved. I was kind of thinking Carrick and a 1st. I also thought the 6 years of retaining $2 million would be a deal breaker. I had no idea though that his decline was so bad.

11 Aug 2018 08:39:02
Even contracts aside, I'd rather have Franson than Seabrook for next year, tbh.

11 Aug 2018 20:00:06
I know Franson can be unreliable defensively as well but the guy hits the net 9 times out of 10 when he shoots from the point. I’d rather him over Carrick in a heart beat.

09 Aug 2018 20:14:33
Calgary Trades
Lazar

Toronto Trades
Leivo

More of a depth trade proposal but Leivo will play in Calgary and Lazar gives the Centre/RWing depth option for the Leafs 4th Line.

Thoughts ?

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10 Aug 2018 02:33:40
Lazar as the 4th c wouldn’t be bad.

10 Aug 2018 19:14:49
I’d rather see them trade Leivo where he can get a good opportunity, because he’s been nothing but a loyal guy and a true professional when it couldn’t have been easy. But I’d rather just get a pick, like a 3rd or 4th than another guy to put in the same position.

I figure in the next few years, leafs will be trading quite a few 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks as they try to make deep playoff runs. Why not try to acquire a cpl extras when we can?!

08 Aug 2018 15:25:07
Habby, I am actually done the arguing with you. It’s over. You can call Matthews overrated and whatever you want, I’m pretty sure that will be proven wrong sooner than later.

You have asked me admit I’m wrong. I’m wrong. You’ve said that I know you’re right. So you’re right. You’ve said I’m biased. I’m biased. I’ll say those things for you.

You told me to change my name, I’ve had the same name for 5 years. That I won’t do.

You told me multiple times to cry to my mommy. I don’t have a mommy anymore. That I can’t do.

I hope I satisfied what you asked me to do.

Now I’m serious about dropping it and moving on, letting the site get back to proper proposals and banter. But I ask you to do something. You don’t have to admit anything or apologize, yours is simple. You are very critical of a lot of people on here and there proposals but never put up any proposals of your own. You actually have ZERO postings on your current account and don’t remember any on your last account either.

If you are going to be critical of everyone and pick out ppls faults, atleast open yourself up to it as well. It’s easy to not give biased trades when you NEVER post a trade at all.

If you want me to respect your opinion (you probably don’t care about that), but other posters respect too, don’t only come out when there’s an easy attack. Post something to be judged on.

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08 Aug 2018 15:55:58
Of all those things the only one I asked you to do was change your name. So if you really wanted to end this you would just change your name. Plus jim you don't post many trades either but your always one of the first to criticize when people do or call them delusional or biased. Not always but sometimes. The amount of that garbage that goes on here isn't as much as it use to be. I like to think I helped with that. much like the amount of leaf bias that's been making everyone except leafs fans sick I think should calm down a bit too now.
That being said if your really serious about ending this I'll play along. Forgive if I'm skeptical and still think very shortly that you will be creating another post to needle and fish for an argument.

08 Aug 2018 16:06:25
In all honesty I hope the leafs do well . But until they actually have some playoff success then really they have done nothing. Things like putting management on a pedestal for what they have done up to this point is ludicrous to me. every thing they have they have aquired by trying to lose and losing. they have a good team there now and a chance to win a cup this year. If they win it all this season or next season then guess what, come on here gloat and I'll agree with you.

08 Aug 2018 16:21:47
95% of the time when not discussing the habs or leafs I agree with you. You do have a knowledge of the game. I can understand also your optimism for your own team but the way I look at things is toronto won 3 more games then the habs and oilers last year. I never came on here and praised the habs to high heaven for making it to the conference finals cause that meant nothing to me either. I actually said they should have cleaned house then and if they had of listened matthews might be a hab now lol. In closing whatever goes on I do wish you the best and even though you may not believe me I look forward to your next post.

08 Aug 2018 16:26:56
And that disagree on your initial post was not from me I clicked the other option this time.

08 Aug 2018 16:42:02
*Inserts meme of Michael Jackson eating popcorn*.

08 Aug 2018 16:46:40
The only time I ever ‘fished for an argument’ was that obviously sarcastic trade on the weekend. Beyond that I have had trade offers of Nylander for parayko well over a year ago when it was just paraykos RFA rights. I had Rychel and a pick for Gudbransson at the deadline. That’s the same package that leafs used to get plek. So they addressed 4th C with what I wanted to address bottom pair D. Pretty reasonable. I do make proposals and they aren’t all crazy. Also had one not leafs related with oilers getting panarin for Tyler Benson, Caleb jones and a 1st I believe. Also a Tyler Johnson for Justin Faulk one.

All I’m saying is it’s a forum for people to express ideas and argue. But if you never post anything for others to judge, but only are here to criticize, it’s not really fair from the beginning. So if you want me, and others not to take offense to you, then give the same courtesy and expose yourself a bit too. I think that’s only fair. If that’s too much to ask, then no problem. Keep doing what you’re doing. But I’m not going to keep this up for everyone else’s sake.

08 Aug 2018 16:50:45
So remember you said you were finished. Right?

08 Aug 2018 17:39:07
That was already sent before your last two.

08 Aug 2018 21:17:41
i love you guys, can't we all just get along? habby come at me bro, you know i can take it.

09 Aug 2018 03:28:42
Yes ovie we had a few battles years ago lol.

08 Aug 2018 06:46:01
I honestly get why people hate on Mathews the leafs are the biggest media outlet in the NHL and he's the best player in Leafs/American history yes over Modano and Gilmore. He's the best even strength goal scorer in the NHL and As a rookie he scored 40 goals ( more then McJesus ). And almost single handedly brought the leafs to the playoffs. He was on pace for 44 goals and 39 Assists last season and next season 45 goals and 50 Assists is reasonable (95) points I believe Mathews being the best player in American history is a big reason why he's overhyped. I don't think he's as good as McDavid but he's going to be Lemieux as he was to Gretzky. He'll be in McDavids shadow.

Czech had Jagar
Canada had Gretzky
Russia had Valeri Khalamarov
Finland had Temmu Selaming
Sweden had Lindstrom
USA has Mathews

Let's see what this starts also I'll add on this is Projections most analysts agree that at the end of his career he'll have more success then Gilmore and Modano the future looks bright barring an injury.

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08 Aug 2018 08:20:02
Lol calm down VB, give him a few more years and judge then.

08 Aug 2018 08:34:49
TSN/ Sportsnet are, yes, truly horrid. Leafs this, leafs that. For a fan of any other team, it’s annoying as all f**k. I haven’t watched either since the leafs got Tavares because I assume it’s just a 24/ 7 circle jerk. Honestly, if a network sprouted up in Winnipeg or wherever that covered every other team but the leafs, I’d watch it every. single. day. I don’t hate the leafs, I hate that they’re shoved down our throats.

As for Matthews, yeesh. Ease up.
I’m pretty sure you know you should too. While I have no evidence, I have a feeling you’re drunk. Matthews is a great player, no doubt. May very well end up being legendary too. But already putting him ahead of US hockey legends is ridiculous, and I know that you know that.

I agree with Triplets. Calm down.

08 Aug 2018 12:11:04
I guess I’m not allowed to tell you how I really feel. I thought coming from one leaf fan to another that administration would let it ride. Its time to come back down to earth. You’re the reason myself and other leaf fans get grouped in the “delusional” crowd like yourself.

08 Aug 2018 13:15:11
You’re right lol way to early to tell Mathews isn’t overrated tho he’s over hyped imo I was just saying he has the potential to get apast the Gilmore/ Madano level honesty I haven’t seen either play but. Looking at statistics and highlights and reading others opinions I believe that isn’t a to far fetched opinion. Mathews is then 2nd most hyped player in the NHL. I believe he has potential to reach the Yzerman level and in my non expert opinion i believe Yzerman was better then anyone in leafs history and Madano.

Late night post was reading a thread on HF boreds and trust me there is a lot more biased ones then me.

08 Aug 2018 15:11:18
Everyone already expressed my opinion on the matter saving me the trouble. Thanks guys. one thing I will ask is why valeri kharmalov from Russia? Yes he was really good but should someone like bure or ovechkin be there instead.

08 Aug 2018 15:27:59
Oh and can we have some more austin matthews stats please? Maybe you could tell us what his fav food is or the Tv show he's watching right now lol.

08 Aug 2018 15:57:35
Vbbb continuing on with his wild player evaluations. You need to stop making your evaluations based on playing NHL18 and try to learn something about hockey outside of Toronto.

08 Aug 2018 16:43:08
Lol. Wow.

08 Aug 2018 18:00:10
NHL 18 evaluations? Duncan Kieth has the higher overall rating I’m pretty sure. EA underates young players Brock Boeser is like 78 ovr. Haven’t played NHL 18 sense the end of the school year tho.

08 Aug 2018 18:17:13
Valery Khalamarov is one of the most idolized figures in Russia. All Russian players like Ovechkin and Malkin look up to him. In Russia they believe he’s better then Gretzky he is a national hero. Obviously here in NA we believe differently.

08 Aug 2018 19:56:55
Matthews is an elite talent 150%. He will be great.

But don’t compare him to Modano or any other USA legend atm. that's jist biased. He will be great. He is great now. But give him time before we start to crown him the ‘USA’s great one’ cause atm, that statement is complteley wild and over anyones head.

08 Aug 2018 21:34:54
if you ask vb laine is better than ovechkin. if you ask vb schiefle is the best player in the nhl.

thats all you need to know about vb.

potential means 0 until the players actually do

let matthews play a few full seasons and top 90 points a season plus for the bulk of his career before you start throwing modano and gilmour out there.

both those guys won cups btw.

08 Aug 2018 23:39:02
I live in America and as of now I have Kane way over Matthews! And plus others modano obviously! But I really like Matthews I hope he is as great as he’s supposed to be. but this is the reason we call Toronto fans out! Post about other teams for one week and see what people say maybe you have a better opinion instead of straight bias crap we see everyday.

08 Aug 2018 23:55:46
Was Modano even that dominate tho? As far as I know he was a star but on a Stamkos/ Tavares level did he ever win a cup? Is it just me or is his legacy not unreal. If Mathews wins a cup or two while consistently leading the leafs you’d think that he gets to that level. America hasn’t gotten many superstars until recently.

09 Aug 2018 00:04:23
Just because I wouldn’t trade Liane for Ovie in a fantasy keeper league dosent mean I think he’s the better player he’s 10 years younger I’d be a person to make that trade. And Schifele is a great fantasy player I didn’t want to trade him either his teams on the uprise.

09 Aug 2018 00:10:11
How come Lafontaine never gets mentioned in "Greatest Americans".
I'd say Kane probably has the title. but, Pat Lafontaine was pretty damn good., Brian Leetch was another.
Mathews is going to be in this class soon enough, and probably will surpass everyone and become greatest American. but. like some have said
. let's let him earn it. also, maybe this Hughes kid may have something to say about it. wouldn't it be something if Habs get him. lol. good chance, looking at the current roster. I believe Habs are a Carey Price injury away from having best Odds in the game to get him. and. well, as we all know. it's very possible that may happen.

09 Aug 2018 05:54:03
That’d be cool if Montreal got hughs. Colorado probably has him tho lol.

09 Aug 2018 18:57:07
Modano did win a cup with the stars in 99.

BUT Patrick Kane wth an Art Ross, Ted Lindsay Award, Hart Trophy (1st American to win it), 3 cups, Conn Smythe, Olympic medals (silver, but still) and Calder Trophy. Point per game playoff numbers, 50 playoff goals, a bunch of playoff GWGs including 4-5 series clinching ones and of course the OT winner for the Stanley Cup. Greatness comes from the biggest moments and he’s the ultimate big game player of a generation for me.

And had all that at 27 years old. Still under 30 now. He is the guy to beat for greatest American player in my eyes.

09 Aug 2018 20:20:38
I think Mathews can beat Kane.

10 Aug 2018 00:14:54
See vbbb that last statement was better. You think matthews can beat Kane. I take that as you mean someday he will better then Kane. Which is perfectly fine. its when you say stuff like he's better then gilmour or modano right now is what gets to people.

10 Aug 2018 00:31:44
It’s possible, but that’s why I said “he’s the one to beat”. As far as I’m concerned, no American has that type of a resume and certainly not by his age.

Without any major injuries, and the style Kane plays, I don’t see any reason he can’t be a productive player till he’s 35 or 36 years old. So he accomplished all that in the first half of a career. Pretty damn impressive. I doubt his second half will be as productive, but could still collect a cpl more awards and will keep piling up points.

10 Aug 2018 00:40:35
We know you do vbb’s. Let’s just hope for a decent playoff run for now.

10 Aug 2018 20:09:01
If he has more cups than Kane, I don’t care if he ever wins an individual award lol both would be incredible but that’s a steep climb.

07 Aug 2018 19:59:59
Montreal's lines

1 domi hudon Gallagher
2 lekthonen drouin sherbak
3 byron peca armia
4 deslauriers plekanec McCarron

1 rielly Weber
2 alzner petry
3 mete juulsen


Thoughts on these lines. Have I forgot anyone?

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07 Aug 2018 20:13:03
Yah you forgot Price and Patches. the defense is meh but those forwards are disgusting.

07 Aug 2018 21:04:16
Tkachuk-Duchene-Stone
White-Pageau-Gaborik
Boedeker-Dizingel-Ryan
Pyatt-Smith-Paajarvi

Chabot-Karlsson
Wideman-Ceci
Borowiecki-Harpur

Anderson
Condon

What teams better?

07 Aug 2018 21:59:02
Danault, Shaw, Armia, goalies are pretty obvious. and good job at assuming Patches is gone, lol.

Ottawa looks better at this point i think : (.

07 Aug 2018 22:06:59
This habs lineup looks better then the one they had the last time they made it to the conference finals. I sure hope that's not the case this year. Patches and Dela rose wil probably be in mccarron will probably be lost on waivers before the season starts. alzner will probably start with juulsen as that's the way last year ended. oh and daneult will be starting as at least the 3rd line center.

So as it stands
Domi drouin patch
Lehkonen daneult Gallagher
Byron peca armia
Deslauriers plekanec shaw
De la rose scherbak

Weber mete
Petry schlmko
Juulsen alzner
Benn reily

Price niemi.

07 Aug 2018 23:20:34
Ottawa looks better.

07 Aug 2018 23:47:21
Ottawa dosent have Price tho. Montreal should trade him and Weber and do a proper rebuild.

08 Aug 2018 16:22:49
Leafs don't have price either. What's your point?

08 Aug 2018 16:50:49
Habs can't trade price and weber. nobody will take them with those contracts. Maybe Weber if we retain on his salary, but I think we are in trouble for the next 8 years with Price.

08 Aug 2018 17:32:32
I agree Ottawa looks better 😂

I didn't put shaw because he's injured but I did forget danault.

08 Aug 2018 18:06:52
Well Toronto is a little bit better then Ottawa trying not to be Biased. I believe that Toronto has atleast an equal roster to Montreal and in my opinion Toronto is a lot better. But all I’m saying is Price is the best goalie in the NHL recent statistics might say otherwise but I believe he is. Price can win games by himself while Craig Anderson can’t. That’s my point.

08 Aug 2018 22:20:10
Craig anderson has shown for long stretches in his career that he's capable of providing above average goaltending too.

08 Aug 2018 23:59:10
Price is a top 3 goalie. Anderson is bottom 20-30.

07 Aug 2018 02:07:51
Everyone needs to get off the Karlson getting traded band wagon. Heres my thoughts. Erik Karlsson is an expiring contract #1after this coming season. Ottawa obviously wants to hit a home run of him as they HAVE to to not suck for the next 10 years. No team is currently willing to give up IMO what OTTAWA wants for Karlson which will BE MINIMUM
A First rd pick, 2nd Round . blue chip prospect on a entry level. +A decent roster with some salary player For Karlson+Boby Ryan

or 2 firsts a 2nd, Mid level prospect And a decent roster player.

bottom line lots of teams are thinking ottawa wants way to much for a player just coming off ankle injury ,drama in the locker room. On an expiring contract.

If i'm a outsider GM heres my thoughts. They just moved hoffman so they're not super mptivated to move him just yet. Wait until the trade deadline. They should become more desperate in fear of losing him for nothing. pruce will drop ALOT. You also get to see if he can stay healthy for the first bit of the season before you aquire him for the playoff. My thinking is he's just not a 28 minute guy. he needs to be no more then 20 minutes and I beleive his durability would sky rocket.

So in closing Karllsonn will NOT be traded atleast until the trade deadline mid season.

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07 Aug 2018 16:51:09
Karlsson playing no more then 20 minuets? You think Rasmus Ristolianen should play 27 and Ron Hanisey should play more then Karlsson? That’s 1 injury he’s still great and a top 3 dman in the nhl.

07 Aug 2018 18:03:55
Makes some valid points but the minutes thing is laughable. Why pay the price for a superstar like Karlsson to use him like a 2nd pair guy?! The whole point of getting these workhorse guys is to be able to throw them over the boards for a regular shift against top lines, plus use him on the power play and a lot of times on the PK. That’s what separates legit #1 Dmen from just good ones that can play on a top pair. No way you can do all that while having him play 1/ 3 of the game or less.

08 Aug 2018 02:56:34
Might be some merit to playing him less. Byfuglien isn't in the same class as karlsson but he did more with less ice time. But that was 30 minutes to 25 or something. You can't have karlsson sitting for 2/ 3 of the game.

06 Aug 2018 20:05:47
So nhl.com just released there top 20 center list this is what it was.
1. Connor McDavid
2. Sydney Crosby
3. Evegini Malkin
4. Austin Mathews
5. Nathen Mackinnon
6. Anze Kopitar
7. Mark Schifele
8. Patrice Bergeron
9. Tyler Seguin
10. John Tavares
11. Steven Stamkos
12. Evegny Kuznetzkov
13. Aleksander Barkov
14. Nicklas Backstrom
15. Jack Eichel
16. Mathew Barzel
17. William Karlsson
18. Sean Coutorier
19. Ryan Getzlaf
20. Leon Draistle

Maybe you guys should see Mathews play again.

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06 Aug 2018 20:12:52
I bet you don't like that part about seguin being better then tavares though lol.

06 Aug 2018 20:14:57
I'd have matthews at 8th and tavares at 9 but overall it isn't bad compared to some of the lists the co called experts make.

06 Aug 2018 20:37:44
They base there list a lot on what they project a players point totals will be this year. I guess they think matthews is going to get 100 pts this year. he may but I'm not betting on that. If it was based on last year which they say is the other criteria for the list mackinnon would be number 2.

06 Aug 2018 21:31:50
No I don’t mind that actually it’s opinion really 1 place apart Seguin is faster and it’s a speed game Tavares has better puck control but is slower. Pretty even players play a different style tho.

06 Aug 2018 21:36:12
Also Habby this wasn’t really directed towards you it was just a point showing others agree with my opinion that Mathews> Tavares.

06 Aug 2018 22:30:56
im a leaf fan, sequin should be above taveres. matthews shouldn't be 4th. all you need to know is nhl. com is an american run site that offer next to nothing in terms of accurate projections. because that's just it, a guessing game. no one on the planet pegged wild bill karlson to score 40 plus. no one.

espn and nhl. com are the furthest thing reliable information other than previouvly recorded statistics.

americans reporting on hockey. pffffttt.

07 Aug 2018 01:17:11
It was maid by nhl scouts and respected people within the NHL. Also yah no I agree 100% with you Americans no nothing about hockey Mathews, Modano, Hull, Kane, ETC you’re 100% right they know nothing. But I agree with ESPN that’s a complete joke. Also Seguin is over Tavares.

07 Aug 2018 05:19:08
Brett Hull is Canadian with dual citizenship, like Parise or Stastny. But yes you’re right, there is plenty of great ‘Merican hockey players arguably right up there with Canada with young skilled guys.

07 Aug 2018 07:02:38
Matthews is just a bad joke. Incredible how overhyped he is.

07 Aug 2018 11:34:20
Didn’t see Point on that list triplets.

07 Aug 2018 12:06:26
I apologize, they have Point on the bubble of making the list. They must have made a mistake and meant to put him in the top 10. You’re right, that is a bad joke.

07 Aug 2018 13:03:57
So damn bitter. Lol I love stamkos, but Matthews first 2 years points and goals are very similar between the 2 players (Matthews more consistently 40 + 34 and stamkos 23+51) Matthews played 17 less games in those 2 seasons. Was a +27 vs stammers -17 And went to the playoffs both years which stamkos hadn’t seen yet st this point in his career. Not shots at stamkos, he’s sick and one of my favs. Wanted him to sign here obviously. But to call matthews overhyped seems off. Because he’s, atleast on pace, to out produce stamkos. That deserves a lot of hype.

07 Aug 2018 14:41:34
Check out stamkos stats as a19 and 20 year old like matthews.

07 Aug 2018 15:17:58
You just said that we shouldn't judge marner by the fact that the leafs didn't make it to the second round that his playoffs weren't unimpressive. And the next thing it is that Matthews has made it twice whereas stamkos hadn't. Make up your mind and quit switching based on which helps a leaf look better.

07 Aug 2018 15:29:38
Perfectly said Alpaca.

07 Aug 2018 16:07:12
Where is Drouin? Or Danault?
List is garbage if they aren't on there.

In all seriousness. I like to think who would I want in my Game 7 Stanley Cup final. Bergeron would he higher. as would Tavares, . Mathews may get there. but he isn't top 4 yet., and If I had to pick a center not named McDavid. to build a team around. it would be MacKinnon. . he will be the more rounded player, as well as I see him as more of a leader.

07 Aug 2018 16:54:27
Don’t listen to Drais he thinks Tyler Johnson is Mathews Tier and Points better then Tavares.

07 Aug 2018 17:22:06
Yes Sosa that's a big factor in my decision when considering the best players. I go a bit further and ask myself who would I want on my team in a 7 game series but still the same premise. overall right now I have mcdavid mackinnon scheifle crosby malkin kopitar bergeron all ahead of matthews and barkov stamkos tavares all slightly ahead. So maybe I have him 11th now that I really think about but him and tavares is really a toss up.

07 Aug 2018 17:42:36
What has Point to do with Matthews? I said Matthews doesn't deserve to be 4th, an opinion which should be shared by anyone in their right minds. I didn't say he doesn't belong on the list at all or Point should be ahead of him or anything. Simply said 4th is too high.

I also don't see how the Stamkos comparison makes sense. You also discredited yourself by using plus minus and "making the playoffs" as criteria which is as much a team stat as it gets. The list is about who are the best Cs right now, so it compared Stamkos at 28yo to Matthews at almost 21yo. Yes, I would probably put Stamkos ahead of Matthews right now. But I'd also put Tavares ahead of Matthews as well as Kopitar and Barkov.

Don't get me wrong, Matthews is good, very good. Franchise player. But Leafs media and Leafs fans act like he's on McDavid's or Crosby's level which he clearly isn't.

07 Aug 2018 18:19:20
When did I say don’t judge marner?! They said kucherov had good playoff stats as a 21 year old and I said Marner had 9 pts in 7 games. The fact that leafs didn’t advance so we couldn't see if he would keep that production up over more games is what I said. Kuch had 22 pts in 26 games, marner had 9 in 7. Both very impressive. But hard to compare without similar game totals.

I said if Matthews ends up as good as stamkos, I’d be happy lol if you want to take that as anything but a compliment, go ahead.

07 Aug 2018 19:27:16
You obviously haven’t seen Mathews play if you believe Tavares is anywhere near Mathews he’s atleast 2 tiers below him same with Barkov and Stamkos. You can make an argument for Kopitar tho.

07 Aug 2018 19:53:21
You can easily make an argument for all of them vbbb just it's a bit harder when your arguing with bias people.

07 Aug 2018 20:32:55
Nowhere did you say Matthews doesn’t belong 4th triplets. I believe you said he was like a bad joke. Had you said he doesn’t belong 4th I would have agreed with you, at the moment. Instead you’re ignorant and uneducated and very bitter in most of your posts. Regardless, at least some of us leaf fans can see the talent on other teams. I think Stamkos, Kucherov and Hedman are absolute studs. Yet you think every leaf player is overhyped. Sorry guys but leaf fans finally have a team to be excited about, suck it.

08 Aug 2018 00:24:35
Mathews at 4 is high. Comparing him to Stamkos first 2 years is a little bit of a misnomer because in Stamkos rookie season the coach didn't want him on the team. He was getting scratched, 4th line minutes, no pp, while Mathews was put in a spot to succeed right away. That is why the difference between Stamkos first and second season is so big, he took off mid way through his first season when Melrose was fired and new coach helped him build his confidence. Both deserve to be on the list, I tend to compare Tavares and Stamkos as similar talent level, around that 10 level. Mathews is high on this list, his age likely influencing it a bit even though it shouldn't, and because of his hype. I wouldn't say, at this point, that Mathews is head and shoulders above Tavares and Stamkos, would be willing to consider around their level, but would take some convincing for me to believe he is "one or two tiers above"

08 Aug 2018 01:26:27
And i compared their first 2 seasons in the NHL. They both came in the October after they were drafted. If you want to start splitting it into months they were born go ahead. Then you can look at Auston Matthews 17.5-18.5 age season wear he was playing Pro Hockey already in the Swiss League and was runner up for MVP with 24g22a for 46pts in 36 games (1.27 pts per game) Now knowing that your next arguements is that the Swiss league is a garbage league, 26 year old joe Thornton had 54 pts in 40 games (1.35pts per game) playing on a line with 20 year old Rick Nash who had 47 pts in 44 games (1.07 pts per game) . I call that impressive for a 17 year old, but I’m sure you don’t.

08 Aug 2018 04:22:14
Should be:

McDavid
Crosby
Malkin
MacKinnon
Kopitar
Schiefle
Backstrom
Tavares
Seguin
Bergeron
Kuznetsov
Barkov
Barzal
Matthews
Getzlaf
Eichel
Karlsson
Couturier
Monahan
Draisaitl

Matthews is too overhyped

08 Aug 2018 05:38:10
Stamkos’ first seasons don’t even matter on this list do they? Kind of an irrelevant argument. But I also think Matthews is a bit high. It’s a pretty hard or even impossible list to make. But if age and potential are taken into account he should be high. If his past season comes into account he should also be fairly high. But I have a hard time putting him in front of guys like MacKinnon or Schiefele or vets like Kopitar at the point.

08 Aug 2018 05:52:30
Victor stalberg remember him? He had 50 points in the same Swiss league last year soooooooo what's your point lol. This is too easy lol.

08 Aug 2018 07:11:57
Now that’s a reasonable response JBS, Billy and ebs. It makes for good hockey talk when I don’t have to tell people to suck it. I’m sure Matthews true value lies somewhere between what SOME leaf fans think, what analysts think and what people that hate everything Toronto think. Habby and Jim I’ve respected you guys for a long time but you sound like 12 year olds with the my daddy can beat up your daddy crap. Get over it!

08 Aug 2018 08:28:38
Lol dude, what is your problem? I said Matthews' (placement on the list) is a bad joke. As you can see in my last post, I acknowledge that he's a great player, just not as great as Leafs fans + media think he is: "Don't get me wrong, Matthews is good, very good. Franchise player. But Leafs media and Leafs fans act like he's on McDavid's or Crosby's level which he clearly isn't. "

All I meant to say was that he def shouldn't be in 4th place right now. And VB saying Matthews is 1-2 TIERS above Tavares and Stamkos right now is just literally proving my "overhyped" point.

Also interesting how you say I said "every leafs player is overhyped". Matthews is literally the only guy on the Leafs I called overhyped, so much for who's uneducated, ignorant and bitter, lol.

Also, I second everything jbs said about Stamkos rookie season, which is - as Ebs said - not a valid point in this argument anyways.

08 Aug 2018 08:44:10
I was fairly on board with Billy’s list until Barzal appeared. How is he even on the list? Awesome rookie season but he’s proven nothing. Even if it’s ranking the names from the original list, Matthews is above him. Eichel is above him. Couturier is definitely above him. I picked up Karlsson on free agency early in the year and he destroyed for my fantasy league but he has ZERO place on a top-20 C’s lisf. I see him getting a big contract and then 15 goals and 30 assists next season max. Not saying it was a fluke, I’m saying it was the magic of Vegas’s inaugural season. Everyone on that team killed and I see them sliding faaaar down the rankings this season, probably missing the playoffs by a hair.

Rant rant rant.
Done.

08 Aug 2018 14:07:26
Mackinnon is sick and going to be a superstar for a while but it took him 5 years to get past 63 points. Matthews did that in his 2nd year while playing 20 less games and had more pts in his first year. So this might not be a ‘potential and futures’ list, but if Mack is top 4 like some of you guys have suggested, then this is just a ‘who was the best centres of 2017/ 18’ list. Either way, don’t see anyone ever agreeing.

08 Aug 2018 18:30:33
I’m guessing that’s what it is jim otherwise why would Karlsson and Barzal be on the list. Honestly it’s a dumb list. Technically speaking Getzlaf could have easily been above Matthews but no way would I ever take him over Matthews on my team.

08 Aug 2018 19:59:32
Y’all are crazy.

We all know that the true goat, the true franchise player, the rrue top ten player, is. Bryan Little.

08 Aug 2018 20:22:58
@ebs, that’s possible, you’re probably right. Just if it is actually only for last year, Nate should be right behind Mcdavid and he’s not. Lol I don’t know. If it’s just based on last season, then they should take everyone’s points per game and that’s the base of your list, then maybe alter a guy or two for other reasons (support, defensive contributions etc) . If the list is just last seasons, then it should say that, or prediction for next season or for future going forward. If it’s going forward I take mcdavid 1, matthews 2, mackinnon And scheifele very close 3’s and depending on matthews next contract, mackinnon and scheifele in the $6 mill range could be a better choice to start a team with than anyone.

08 Aug 2018 21:14:07
Is that what it is, a list based off next years predictions? Lol cause that would make it a lot better list. Karlsson and Getzlaf shouldn’t be that high still. Also think Malkin is going to start getting passed over by younger guys.

08 Aug 2018 22:23:31
The two factors which were used in determining the list were as I stated earlier. Last years production and what the 3 guys who made the list project as the production this season. So as I said before they must be projecting matthews to have close to a 100 points this year and if he does he will deserve the 4th spot and posdibly even higher.

08 Aug 2018 23:47:22
I don’t know about 100 pts because there’s lots of players that will spread the offense out but wouldn’t really surprise me either. But healthy I would be shocked if he doesn’t have 85.

The last cpl years Kadri has given teams another threat to worry about but never really enough to pull the toughest matchups away from Matthews, more the other way which is why Kadri broke out when Matthews showed up.

But this year with JT, you would assume there will be atleast some time that Matthews is away from shut down lines and top pair. Can’t see how his numbers get any worse than last year which were like 84 pt pace.

08 Aug 2018 23:50:24
I think y’all forgot about Eric staal and last season!

09 Aug 2018 08:11:20
The official nhl. com list is called Top 20 centers RIGHT NOW.

06 Aug 2018 18:53:50
Value of Jonathan Ericsson:

Now: 2 years at 4.25 mill

or

One year later: 1 year at 4.25 Mill

A serviceable D-man who may do well with change of scenery. Most likely will be a depth veteran playing as the #4-6 Dman depending on that teams depth.

I personally think a comparable could be Alexi Emelin, veteran who is good depth piece but can't handle too many minutes. Just a nice addition to strengthen a up team's blue line.

What would get the better return in picks/prospects?

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06 Aug 2018 22:32:09
you can have the highest of hopes for ericson returning high. all i will say is paul gaustad.

sometimes gms go crazy.

07 Aug 2018 13:05:43
@ovie, that Gaistad one was bad lol but it was a while ago and picks and prospect were thrown around a lot more liberally back then.

08 Aug 2018 22:01:15
for sure, but even look at the deals last few years, good returns for marginal players and marginal returns for good players. stastny tatar nash kane. not saying ericson is on their trade value level but tatar and nash aren't anything special.

08 Aug 2018 23:56:10
Yeah true. Really hard to know. That Tatar one is tough too lol he was scratched in the playoffs multiple times.

10 Aug 2018 00:36:16
Okay, he wasn’t scratched in the playoffs lol.

10 Aug 2018 15:09:24
He actually was scratched in the playoffs, was he not?

11 Aug 2018 03:49:14
Yes. Just people apparently don’t agree lol.

11 Aug 2018 03:51:34
He was scratched 12 of 20 games. He was taken out for Ryan Reeves, then got back in for a bit when someone got hurt and then taken back out.

11 Aug 2018 04:49:45
Yeah I thought so.

 


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