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14 Nov 2018 02:17:25
Spin on the Nylander sweepstakes.

Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW [Extension] - 7.5 Million x 7 Years) + Josh Leivo (LW - 0.675 Million x 1 Year) + Eamon McAdam (G - 0.925 Million x 1 Year) + Justin Holl (RD - 0.625 Million x 2 Years) + 2019 3rd Round Pick.

Chicago Trades: Henri Jokiharju (RD - 0.925 Million x 3 Years) + Brandon Saad (LW - 6.00 Million x 3 Years) + John Hayden (RW - 0.750 Million x 2 Years) + Jan Ruuta (RD - 2.25 Million x 1 Year) .

Chicago is on an eight game losing streak. They just fired one of the best coaches in franchise history, and still are losing. Bowman may need to make a last ditch effort to save the team. Saad is definitely in the doghouse in Chicago and could use a change of scenery. His cap makes him less valuable, however, he could rebound making what Ny SHOULD make in Toronto. Jokiharju is the big piece, a young RHD who is playing well on a bad team. However, if Chicago wants to bring in a stud like Ny, either Boqvist or Joki is going the other way. Hayden is a grinder who could be nice in Toronto’s bottom six, and Rutta could help take some pressure of Hainsey every game.

As for Chicago, they acquire a stud first line winger to compliment Toews, or a solid 2C to compliment Patrick Kane. He could be a 60-70 point guy easily, and could give some more offensive depth to Chicagos top heavy team. Replacing Saad with Nylander is a big upgrade, despite the downgrade on defence. Leivo and Holl are decent enough depth guys, and the 3rd is good for Rutta.

Toronto Healthy Lineup:
Brandon Saad - Auston Matthews - Kasperi Kapanen
Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Connor Brown/ Tyler Ennis
Andreas Johnsson - Par Lindholm - John Hayden

Morgan Rielly - Ron Hainsey/ Jan Rutta
Jake Gardiner - Henri Jokiharju
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
*Igor Ozhiagnov



Chicago Healthy Lineup:
Alexandre Fortin - Jonathan Toews - William Nylander
Alex DeBrincat - Nick Schmaltz - Patrick Kane
Josh Leivo - Artem Anisimov - Dominik Kahun
Chris Kunitz - David Kampf - Luke Johnson

Duncan Keith - Brent Seabrook
Erik Gustafsson - Connor Murphy
Brandon Manning - Gustav Forsling.

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14 Nov 2018 04:45:17
I like how you targeted Chicago here. Big changes coming there for sure. You know what else I really like is how you always include salaries beside each player. Makes it so much easier to assess your posts. I always enjoy reading your posts because they are so well thought out.

My take in this trade is that Saad’s contract is a real boat anchor. I would be loathe to take that on if I was Leafs management. If we do Chicago that favor, then Jokiharju or Boqvist would have to be incuded to make this trade a reality.

I don’t like the idea of Saad as the cap dump to make salaries work, but love the idea of snagging Boqvist or Jokiharju. I’m not sure Chicago is looking at dumping their young stars yet. More likely an aging Keith or Seabrook get traded to cap floor team first. But if this proposal was floated, Leafs would have to seriously consider it I would think.

14 Nov 2018 17:45:15
No way Chicago sells the future to get rid if sadd, he's outta quenvilles doghouse so expect him to start producing, of course leafs would consider, same production sadd- nylander for cheaper, plus a huge upgrade on the garbage coming back, no brainer for leafs.

14 Nov 2018 21:24:36
nope. boqvist and jokiharju are going to be untouchables in chicago.

13 Nov 2018 22:43:58
toronto : nylander 4th and zaitsev

montreal: weber, 3rd, byron.

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13 Nov 2018 23:05:38
toronto would be foolish to take on weber's contract.

13 Nov 2018 23:09:15
retaining how much of weber.

13 Nov 2018 23:46:57
Nylander has more value than Weber with him being old, just all the time and his awful contract. Leafs pass.

14 Nov 2018 04:47:11
If the throw-ins were better, Leafs could consider taking on Weber and then sending him to Robidas Island. But sonce Montreal just named Weber captain, I doubt he’s going anywhere anytime soon.

14 Nov 2018 06:05:31
Ok thanks leafs gm it's so refreshing to know the leafs might consider taking weber from us.

14 Nov 2018 14:36:43
@habby

I doubt very much Dubas would make that trade unless there was some sort of overwhelming return coming our way. If you wanted to send Kotkaniemi, Juulsen, and 1st our way, and we dump Marleau on you, may get discussion started.

I’m not trying to just shoot down the proposal like everyone else here. I’m actually trying to offer suggestions and try to improve the offer and get discussion going is all.

14 Nov 2018 16:17:52
Yeah maybe it's better to not even get a conversation started then lol.

14 Nov 2018 17:18:25
That’s just so typical Habby. Not just of you, but in general. Three guys post the obvious, that no one in their right mind would take on Weber’s contract. Not one of them suggest an alternative. I don’t want to jump on the bandwagon and bash the proposal, and chose to encourage discussion, and get criticized for it. It’s a rumors and discussion forum. Simple one sentence negative responses hardly even merit the time to write and require no thought whatsoever. A proper discussion, regardless of the merit of the proposal, is what encourages people to contribute.

14 Nov 2018 18:11:34
Ok then the leafs need a right handed dman weber is that. But you think we should have to give up weber byron kotkaniemi juulsen and 1st which could be as high as 1st overall for marleau and an unsigned nylander who wants more then he's worth. go back to bed. Fact is we don't want to get rid of weber and for sure don't want to do the leafs any favours lol.

14 Nov 2018 19:04:20
So what would you siggest instead? I mean, unloading Weber is doing you guys a huge favor, not the other way around. You’re a smart man. You must have thought of a few ideas of how to get rid of him I’m sure. There must be some price that you would be willing to pay to get out from under that boat anchor of a contract. A feal between Leafs and Habs may not be realistic, but there are other teams tgat have the cap space available.

14 Nov 2018 21:18:51
The only way unloading weber would do us a favour is if he continues to be injury prone like he has been the last year. Based on the rest of his career I see no reason to think that will be the case. So no unloading a top pair dman is not a favour or even an option. We will just wait a few more weeks for him to return and keep him. Thanks for worrying about our payroll but unlike some teams we have lots of cap space. This year and going forward.

15 Nov 2018 02:35:58
The only reason Leafs have cap issues is because we got so many damn good players on the team.

15 Nov 2018 04:14:27
I wasn't really pointing the finger solely at the leafs a lot of teams are tight against the cap. Habs are not one of them so they have no need to just give good players away or add other good players just to get rid of them. it would be actually quite foolish to even consider doing that or think that they would.

15 Nov 2018 05:09:14
Nobody in their roght mind would want to take on Weber Habby, and you know it. Possibly the worst trade Bergevin has made, and there have been many, you guys are stuck with him for eight more years, until he is 41 or crippled, whichever comes first. Talk him up all you want, we all know the truth: 33 years old and just missed the equivalent of an entire season with major knee operation. I have a hard time believing he will be the same player he was. He might have another quality season or two left in him, but it’s likely he will spin into a rapid decline long before that contract is finished.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one. You know Habs far better than I do. I’ll take your word for it that Weber is still going to be one of the best defensemen in the game. Only time will tell.

15 Nov 2018 05:13:47
Btw. In case you didn’t notice, we actually had a pretty good discussion on the subject, which was exactly what I was hoping for at the beginning of the day. So I just wanted to thank you for the conversation. Regardless of whether we (or anyone else) agrees or disagrees, this forum is about discussing rumors and trades and all subjects related to hockey. You really are one of the better contributors on the site. Thanks for taking it easy on me today.

13 Nov 2018 19:34:49
Mtl: alzner, hudon, scherbak, 2nd Pick 2019

Edm: lucic, puljuarvi

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14 Nov 2018 04:49:38
I’m pretty sure Edmonton would like to get out of Lucic’ contract. But don’t think they would be willing to take om Alzner’s contract to do it. Does Edmonton even have a need for Alzner? I’m not sure I see where he would fit really.

14 Nov 2018 05:23:21
Dont think anyone has a need for Alzner in this faster paced NHL.

14 Nov 2018 13:19:04
Zero need for Edm to do this I think. With Pul in the AHL, and the wingers in the lineup now they have zero need for Hudon and Sherback. And absolutely no want for another left handed D in Alzner with that contract.

13 Nov 2018 09:49:01
Canucks joulevi tanev stecher edler granlund 2 ed pick


Tor nylander gardnier nikta z



Marlue tavars marner
Kapanen mathews kadi
Granlund hyman brown

Reilly tanev
Edler stecher
Joulevi hainsey

Sven horvat nylander
Goldobin petterson nylander
Erikson sutter virtanen
Roussel beagle schaller

Hutton nikta z
Gardnier guddy
zotto. Pouliot

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13 Nov 2018 15:36:09
I'll say unbelievable just because i don't think Nylander can play on the first and second line. You should probably put Brock in there somewhere.

13 Nov 2018 17:22:37
You seem to have misplaced Dermott from Leafs lineups as well as the entire 4th line. Small oversight given that you are Canucks fan is forgiveable.

A complete remake of our defense. Not sure how necessary an overhaul is. Changes are coming, but will likely be replacement from internal and maybe a ufa signing.

I like the thought though. Trading these guys to a west coast team that probably won’t be competitive for a few years makes sense. The only way they come back to hurt is is in the finals.

14 Nov 2018 01:35:24
Without getting into analyzing each piece, I will simply say that I don’t believe taking the Canucks D from the past 3 years and putting it in Toronto is the answer to a poor Defense lol.

14 Nov 2018 01:37:24
Marlue lol last time I ever read one of your posts christ.

13 Nov 2018 01:20:22
W.Nylander for B.Montour, N.Richie & S.Steel

Leafs add a economical slick defender, pick-up a good prospect & add a cheap wrecking-ball, but as predicted, lose the deal.

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13 Nov 2018 04:09:25
I don’t think Toronto loses that deal.

13 Nov 2018 05:31:17
I like the deal if Toronto can’t get an equal valued defence back. But what’s Steel’s value and how high is his potential because he might be worth more than an add in on Montour.

13 Nov 2018 08:45:07
Really? That's way too much. Montour has huge upside and so does Steel. Nylander for Montour alone seems more fair.

13 Nov 2018 11:15:48
Anaheim is going to be confuse as if Dubas is serious about the proposal or just messing around. Montour himself gets you Nylander when he doesn't have a contract. Eve then I don't think Anaheim trades to get to pay Nylander 8 million. I Say no from Anaheim for Montour straight up unless they know he's not getting 8 million.

13 Nov 2018 12:38:40
Anaheim says no way.

13 Nov 2018 12:39:07
Even if Anaheim is the ones to add on it wouldn't be Ritchie and Steel.

13 Nov 2018 17:18:31
I would want more for Nylander than just Montour, he’s got upside but really unproven for a team trying to compete. But yeah, Steel has looked to be progressing well and wouldn't be included as well. Pretty sure he’s the guy they got with the penguins pick we traded them for Freddy Andersen. Could be a real good find for them at #30.

13 Nov 2018 18:45:48
Drais How far off in value do you think Kucherov And Nylander are at there respective ages?

13 Nov 2018 21:16:15
I'd say Montour and a small add would be enough. Something like a 3rd, a 2nd round at most .
However wouldn't a more rugged guy lik Manson be a better fit?

14 Nov 2018 01:41:21
Sosa, I agree. I’ve been saying for a while that Manson is exactly what we need. Just the age gap at 27 to Nylanders 22 could be an issue. But he’s the type of player for sure and he’s on a fair contract.

I think he’s a lefty, and they wouldn’t trade him, but Matthias Ekholm is another perfect player type. He’s efficient, can skate, can move a puck, has a bit of offense but is just a hard player to play against that never seems to be caught out of position and has some sandpaper aspect. Far from a fighter but more than willing to defend his net and goalie.

14 Nov 2018 14:44:56
I think Ekholm is the type of player every team needs, not just the Leafs. IMO, he's one of the most underrated players in the entire league.

12 Nov 2018 22:24:23
Shakeup in St. Louis, also the Jets and Blues have a trade history after last year.

STL: Schenn
WPG: Petan, Comrie, 1st Round Pick 2019, and Kulikov (cap dump)

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12 Nov 2018 23:08:37
So a depth forward, a prospect goalie who is 2-3 years away from being an NHL Starter [could be a backup now, but will take time to be a starter] and a 1st, and a cap dump, for a guy who just got 70 points and is still performing pretty well?

Easy, easy no from STL.

12 Nov 2018 23:11:49
Great deal for the Jets but in a year he would be a UFA and the Jets would have a hard time fitting him in with all the young players due raises. If the trade would include Little instead of the #1 and Comrie it would free up enough $ for the Jets to resign Schenn. I don't think the Blues would go for this change in the trade.

12 Nov 2018 23:52:43
I would think that wouldn't be close. The Blues would want a better roster player than Petan.

13 Nov 2018 01:16:59
I don't think STL does this. They like Schen - Oreilly as a one two center combo. Bozak is a good third line center.
And Jets have Schifle - Little one two center and solid wingers. Why do you want Schen for? To bump little down to third line center i guess? Still, STL says no I think.

13 Nov 2018 02:36:01
Why on earth would the blues do this. That is a crap package for a 70pt center. Lol what a joke.

13 Nov 2018 02:54:10
Blues just paid a steep price to get schenn a year ago and he had a career year and exceeded expectations. Highly doubt he’d be the guy to go in a shake up.

13 Nov 2018 08:45:27
Why would STL do this, not enough.

13 Nov 2018 22:17:20
Doesn't seem like STL is really receiving anything in that package that will mke losing Schenn worth it. maybe the first down the road. However, even though Blues are struggling, this is a team built for making a run now. I do believe they are missing some peices, but losing Schenn and adding those peices from Winnipeg just doesn't make sense.

12 Nov 2018 22:15:31
At the deadline:

NJ: Boyle
WPG: 2nd Round Pick 2019, Lipon

Jersey gets back almost the same package Tampa got for Boyle a couple years ago. Also he's a UFA at the end of the year.

Winnipeg gets another big strong C that can play 4th line in the hardest division. Centres would go: Scheifele, Little, Lowry, Boyle

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12 Nov 2018 23:13:50
I don't think Boyle is worth a second given his health issues.

13 Nov 2018 00:20:27
Value would be okay and give us pretty good depth.

12 Nov 2018 16:50:37
to Carolina
Nylander

to Toronto
Pesce
McKegg
5th.

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12 Nov 2018 17:47:03
Nylander and Zaitsev
For
Hamilton and Necas.

12 Nov 2018 17:53:55
That’s probably close to what it could eventually be. I just wouldn’t want mckegg back. Rather a winger with size than a depth centre.

12 Nov 2018 23:54:28
McKegg was a leaf prospect he never panned out. Career ahler.

13 Nov 2018 01:19:50
I don't think Carolina would want to add Necas or Zykov myself.

13 Nov 2018 21:54:54
Would Carolina trade Aho for Hyman, FGauthier and a 5th Round Pick?
That Proposal is similar.

12 Nov 2018 08:30:40
Leafs - Nylander
Coyotes - Chychrun

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12 Nov 2018 14:48:38
Yotes add.

12 Nov 2018 14:52:44
no from arizona.

12 Nov 2018 15:51:34
Something based around that could be a good deal.

13 Nov 2018 15:51:46
Always a risk taking on a guy just coming back from serious injury. Hard to believe he will ever reach full potential. Would rather if Leafs trade Nylander, they find someone who is ready now with no risks.

11 Nov 2018 22:13:30
It looks as though a Nylander trade will be going down shortly so I thought the Florida Panthers really need a change. The leafs need a significant change on defense so I think this can work

TML - Nylander, Gardiner, 1st 2019
FLR - Ekblad

Ekblad really does need a change of scenery he is having a tough year with only two assists and the Panthers have been terrible. I think this trade helps both teams.

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11 Nov 2018 23:18:12
Too much from the leafs.

12 Nov 2018 01:59:19
Too much from Toronto.

12 Nov 2018 08:29:09
Good package. Florida and Toronto would accept that i feel

12 Nov 2018 14:30:42
Make the first a second and it’s a deal.

12 Nov 2018 14:54:04
I feel like Eklblad came in with so much hype that people still think he’ll have this huge breakout season and become a superstar. I don’t see it but if I’m the leafs and I get this offer I’m accepting it. He’s the exact mold of Dman the leafs need. I feel like Florida does really not want to Trade him so it would have to be one of those “ send me an offer so ridiculous that I can’t say no to “ scenarios. Is this an overpayment for Eklblad? I’m really not sure.

12 Nov 2018 14:54:48
I don't see why this would be no from toronto, I'd think no from florida. think florida values ekblad a lot, top fleet d-man. if they were to trade him think they'd want more than that.

12 Nov 2018 15:54:31
This is interesting. however I feel Florida has many good forward pieces already, and losing Ekblad would take a step back from what they are trying to build, they would lack on the D.
Also. that may be a lot to offer from Toronto.

12 Nov 2018 16:51:47
I can't see the Panthers doing this deal. Why trade Ekblad who is locked up for 7 seasons for Nylander, who is holding out and Gardner who will be a UFA at the end of the season?

12 Nov 2018 17:57:19
@islandjet. I think we all assume any trade for Nylander is signed to a contract unless they stay ‘unsigned’. No one is trading for him without a contract in place. And you can say he wants too much, and I agree, but I’d the trade goes through, it means the team acquiring him is comfortable with the salary they give him.

12 Nov 2018 21:26:05
Unbiased Jim Why wouldn't the Leafs keep Nylander if they sign him to a contract? If the contract is that crazy why would any team give up a star player like Ekblad for him when they could just make him an offer sheet and give up draft picks instead?

13 Nov 2018 02:58:57
I’m not saying leafs sign him and then try to trade him. I mean Nylander and his agent have permission to discuss contracts with teams interested in him, like has already been reported. It happens all the time in these situations. Habs had a contract ready to sign as soon as the trade for Drouin went through. They weren’t trading Sergachev just for the rights to talk to Drouin lol they knew they were trading him for a talented forward with a 5 year extension. Same with when leafs traded the 1st rounders for RFA Kessel in a contract stalemate, Burke already had the 5 year/ $27mill contract worked out with him.

13 Nov 2018 03:00:35
And if a team wants to offer sheet Nylander at what he's asking, be my guest lol leafs would get 4 first round picks which, even late 1st’s from a contender, is far more than we would ever get for him in a trade.

13 Nov 2018 15:53:49
Ekblad has had a lot of concussions for such a young player. I would be cautious about trading for him. Would prefer someone with a cleaner bill of health.

13 Nov 2018 18:31:52
@LeafsGM, Nylander has 2 for sure, maybe 3 concussions before 21 also. I never like a guy with injury history either but as long as they’re managed properly and not rushed, both players are fine.

Nylander got one after we drafted him while he was playing in Sweden, leafs didn’t like the way the Swedish team was handling his injury and that’s when they paid to get him out of Sweden and to the Marlies for the first time. Then they sent him to the World juniors and he got crushed first or 2nd game and diagnosed with a concussion, missed the tourney. Not sure if there was a 3rd or not.

 


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