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20 Jul 2018 14:34:05
Rumor has it Seguin wants to go to a Canadian team. how bout.

Ott : Karlsson, Ryan, Anderson

Dallas : Seguin, spezza, bishop

Ottawa unloads Ryan for a bigger contract worst player with less term in spezza while picking up a goalie to replace andy.

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20 Jul 2018 15:35:53
Don’t see how this makes Dallas any better. Karlson would up grade there d no question but then there offence takes a huge hit losing seguin for Ryan and goaltending they get worse to.

20 Jul 2018 15:39:13
This is better for Ottawa when it comes to filling needs. All Dallas would have at forward would be Benn and Radulov really.

20 Jul 2018 15:51:37
Are you sure he didn’t say any Canadian team other than Ottawa?

20 Jul 2018 15:55:52
Lol. Dallas laughs.

20 Jul 2018 16:09:56
I guess Hanzel would be the 1c 🤔 Spezza is Franchise corner piece compared to Ryan. Anybody sain would want spezza.

20 Jul 2018 16:11:20
They would take a hit offensively but it wouldn't be a huge one really.

Ryan puts up 0.53 + points per game with the exception of 2 seasons ago where he was having major health issues, his 3rd lowest points per game total was the 2013 / 2014 season where he put up 0.69 points per game.

Seguin puts up 0.88 + points per game

At the same time though.

Karlsson as a defenseman puts up 0.80 + points per game.

And jason spezza gets 0.74 points per game usually with the exception of this past year where he got 0.33 points per game a career low to be sure.

Goaltending I wouldn't say they get worst. older yes. but not worst. bishop been sortve shakey the last 2 years while Andy had 1 bad year after all that drama going on. plus Andy ìs a better playoff goalie for sure.

20 Jul 2018 17:44:18
Vbbvbb Ryan plays top 6 and still puts up respectable numbers. spezza plays 4th line and puts I
Up peanuts now. Ryan also plays at both ends while spezza is never back checking I've seen the guy play lots bu far Ryan is an upgrade on spezza there's no question on that. I wander if you even think before you type stuff like that?

Also know that benn was a center before Seguin was even in dallas, he centered eriksons line so no hanzal wouldn't be number 1 and Ryan is STILL a top 6 forward.

20 Jul 2018 18:02:08
Ho is this better for Ottawa in terms of needs? Lol

Skill for skill = number 1 center for bonafide number one defence

Bad contract swap = top 6 winger for bottom 3 center

Goalie swap = regular season performer 1/ 2 the time for playoff performer

Only thing Ottawa gets out of it is a bid contract with shorter duration. the rest look almost dead even.

20 Jul 2018 18:02:59
Ryan is top 6 on a nediocre to bad team, not a good team.

20 Jul 2018 19:09:05
Ryan.

20 Jul 2018 20:35:04
List of problems with this:

Seguin for Karlsson both with a year left is close. Edge goes to Karlsson but not by a ton as seguin is younger and will be able to be signed a bit cheaper. But bishop for Anderson is laughable.

Spezza has a bigger contract?! Yeah by 250k for 1 yr vs 4 yrs of Ryan lol hell no.

And Ryan puts up respectable #s and spezza is 4th line putting up peanuts?!

Over the last 3 seasons Ryan has played 205 games with 119 pts (.58 pts per game) . Spezza played 221 games with 139pts (.63pts per game)

And you say spezza only plays 4th line, so he out produces Bobby Ryan on the 4th line and you want stars to eat 3 extra years at 7.25 mill?!

And lastly spezza has a NMC. He already ran from that sh*thole once. You think he’s waiving to go back?! Lol.

20 Jul 2018 21:00:20
Personally IDK how you can call Ryan and Spezza = in terms of value

Spezza last 3 seasons
2015-2016 GP:75 G:33 P:63
2016-2017 GP:68 G:15 P:50
2017-2018 GP:78 G:8 P:26
Cap hit 7.5M Length 1Yr

Ryan last 3 seasons
2015-2016 GP:81 G:22 P:56
2016-2017 GP:62 G:13 P:25
2017-2018 GP:62 G:11 P:33
Cap hit 7.25M Length 4Yr


Ryan has produced less in 2 of the last 3 years then Spezza only 0.25M less but for an extended 3 years past Spezza.

Rambo you can't honestly think Ryan is a top 6 forward can you? Think for a second if a person was suggesting a player to be traded to Ottawa that had similar point totals and contract would you be happy and say we got a proven top 6 winger from this trade?

20 Jul 2018 21:09:32
Rambo how do you think of this trade

David Backes for Bobby Ryan.

I'm only looking for your opinion to see how you value players.

20 Jul 2018 21:51:29
Rambo proposals and facts don't mix.

20 Jul 2018 22:47:58
So if Ryan is that much better that Spezza why would you want to make the trade. It's hilarious how people can put up completely biased trades then try to justify it by saying their teams player is amazing and the other teams player coming back is crap. If their crap then why trade for them.

20 Jul 2018 23:18:54
Still waiting to see a response to how .58 pts per game is “respectable 2nd line numbers” and .63 pts per game is “peanuts for a 4th liner” lol

Rambo never let's a fact get in the way of a good story though.

21 Jul 2018 00:58:37
Just letting everyone know I meant every sain person would take Spezza over Ryan.

20 Jul 2018 12:47:51
Flames -
• (RW) Troy Brouwer
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick
• Rights to (D) Brett Kulak
Coyotes -
• (2019) 4th-Round Pick

Calgary relieves cap and Arizona gets a 2nd round pick, a decent top 6/7 defencemen and a veteran RW.

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19 Jul 2018 05:40:41
Canucks joulevi sutter gagner

Islander ladd dobson

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19 Jul 2018 20:02:07
Canucks say no by a lot.

19 Jul 2018 23:47:36
I dunno by that dobson look better then joulevi canuck need a rhd but ladds on one of the worse contract in the nhl and sutter get just as many point as ladd last couple years and gagner this just makes more room for there young players and gets them the future top 4 rhd.

18 Jul 2018 21:52:30
WPG: Trouba, Little
EDM: RNH, Bouchard

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18 Jul 2018 22:54:14
The Jets need Trouba more than they need RNH, Why would they give up Little a proven #2 center for a prospect that is 2 years away from making the Jets. Trouba would be the Oilers #1 d-man while RNH is a center/ forward that the Jets have at least 4 that are NHL ready. Besides Trouba would cost the Oilers a lot of $ against the cap that they can't afford.

19 Jul 2018 00:19:41
No thanks from Winnipeg. The Jets are competing now. We can't wait for Bouchard to develop.

19 Jul 2018 00:31:07
Hahaha. Wow. You insanely over value Trouba every time you post.

19 Jul 2018 01:01:36
Why would edm trade their stud rhd and Bri for little trouble. Doesn't make sense.

19 Jul 2018 03:04:56
Good trade.

19 Jul 2018 03:06:55
Stop. All of these are legit just downgrades.

Trouba wants too much. Little isn't close to RNH here.

In the previous, Horvat is worth more than Trouba, Juolevi more than Little.

In the previous, GHost is much better than Trouba and Patrick is a former second overall pick so is far better (potential wise) than Little.

In the previous, Keller was a finalist for ROTY, he's worth far more than Trouba imo especially with ARZs surplus on d and small amouhnt at forward. Little is better than Crouse, but ARizona still doesn't do that after adding Chucky and Hinostroza as C’s.

And Trouba is not close to Marner. Rielly is worth more than trouba and marner is worth more than mo.

So, i'd suggest posting more 1for1s for players of a different position. All of these are just downgrades for one team and upgrades for WPG.

19 Jul 2018 04:23:49
Lol no thanks.

19 Jul 2018 10:58:50
Yep. Trouba being overvalued here in a big way by Winnipeg fans. He also needs to stay healthy for a while because he's starting to look like Tanev. He's a solid player but he's not worth what you think he is.

19 Jul 2018 11:40:50
This is even thought of in depth what so ever.
Oilers have McDavid, Drai, Strome who will probably play center and I'm hoping start Nuge on the wing with McDavid like they ended last year. Oilers need wingers if anything, no Little, another center.
Bouchard, The Oilers were looking into trading up to get him they wanted him that bad. The perfect fit for the team in every aspect that they need on D. Why would they trade him away right away? They wouldn't.

Salary cap. I think the oilers just signed a minor league guy and now have 50 contracts. With nurse still as an RFA and only about $4.1M in cap space I think?
Nuge makes $6M. Little makes $5.3M. So we would gain $700K there. Now have $4.8M.
We sign. Rise for day $4M maybe two years? Where's any money for Trouba now? This trade literally is t possible cap wise.

19 Jul 2018 15:17:04
Both the jets fans on this site over value the players big time. I guess one good season in franchise history makes every player worth gold. One of you said the other day that leaf fans are on here begging for Trouba, give it a break. Most people know the leafs need a RH defenseman and the jets are stacked on the right side, do the math. This does not make him the best d man in the league, or even the same ballpark as Marner. You guys also think Little is an actual #2 center. He’s a very good #3 center playing over his head his entire career. Nothing wrong with that, Bozak did the same thing in Toronto. He’s just not worth much at all.

19 Jul 2018 15:57:33
Yup, talk about over valuing players. Thinking that a tiny, slightly above average winger is worth more than a top pairing RHD. Everyone and I mean everyone who knows anything about hockey, knows that the two most valuable positions in hockey are 1C and top pairing RHD. To think that a winger has that kind of value is the true definition of homerism. ROFL

I guess the Leafs will never have an NHL quality defense. They value wingers too much.

19 Jul 2018 16:02:03
No way is Riely worth more than Trouba. Riely doesn't put up the same per 60 numbers at even strength as Trouba does. Only reason Trouba doesn't have more points is lack of PP time. Riely is also nowhere near Trouba defensively. Factor in the added value of right hand shot vs left, Leafs would have to add to get a 1 for 1 swap.

19 Jul 2018 16:27:50
MarcusJoe

#1 people commenting on here does not directly reflect the management of any specific teams decisions lol you might think that GM Chevy reads all your comments and acts accordingly, but a fan on here saying they like marner over Trouba does not mean that Dubas thinks wingers are more important than Defense. Shows how shallow your thought process really is.

#2 Jacob Trouba is not a #1 D lol doughty is a #1 RHD, Karlsson is, Weber is (when healthy), Burns, Carlson. Other #1 D in the league over the last 5 years was subban, Keith, Josi, hedman, OEL, Ekblad etc. Trouba can’t carry any of those guys bags to the rink. Just because he wants to get paid like them, doesn’t mean he is them. He’s a good #2 Dman just like Rielly, and in certain situations he can be the top D on a team. It’s like saying RNH is a true # 1 Centre because he would be in Montreal. He’s just not.

19 Jul 2018 17:29:19
Jim

Advanced stats all show Trouba as a top 30 D man in the league, whether you like it or not. Which means he is a top pair RHD whether you want to admit it or not and is valued around the league like that no matter how much it pains you to accept that. The only thing Reilly is good at is scoring power play points as he is not near the top defensively


Take off your homer glasses and do some research before you post.

19 Jul 2018 17:33:28
Also “tiny winger” Mitch marner (6’0” 175lbs) is an inch shorter and 7 pounds lighter than Kyle Connor. Remember that when you’re calling Connor a strong power forward goal scorer lol.

19 Jul 2018 17:40:55
I’ve never said a bad thing about Trouba lol I like Trouba. I would want him on my team. But I wouldn’t pay the price you say he’s worth, and apparently no one else would either because he demanded a trade before. The trades being offered I bet were a lot closer to my value than yours, or he would be in the USA already where he wanted to be.

19 Jul 2018 17:58:05
Well, we can agree on that Jim. I want Trouba on my team as well and highly prefer that the Jets keep him. He's just too hard a piece to replace.

19 Jul 2018 18:02:25
Memarcusjoe no I agree with you 100% small wingers are worthless Calargry should trade Guadreau for Brandon Sutter. Chicago should offer that Clown Patrick Kane or whatever at 50% retained for Brian Little but Winnepeg obviously wouldn’t do that right because wingers have no value compared to dman and centers he didn’t carry the Blackhawks to 3 cups or anything you’re right.

19 Jul 2018 19:06:48
You're the one saying they're worthless, not me. You need to practice your reading comprehension.

19 Jul 2018 19:29:41
Yikes, 😳😳🙄🙄.

19 Jul 2018 20:01:55
Newsflash: when fans of multiple teams are calling out multiple trade proposals you have made as biased, you are probably biased. This isn't a conspiracy. Get over it.

18 Jul 2018 21:50:13
WPG: Trouba, Little
VAN: Horvat, Juolevi

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18 Jul 2018 23:02:18
The Jets would be giving up a #1 right shot d-man and a #2 center for Horvat, a good center who would be in a fight with Roslovic for the Jets #2 center and Joulevi a good prospect may be ready this season. I can't see the Jets doing this trade.

19 Jul 2018 00:22:09
Nope. We can't afford the huge downgrade at D for the small upgrade, if that, at C.

19 Jul 2018 00:31:27
My god. Vancouver laughs.

19 Jul 2018 04:25:01
Easy no from Vancouver.

19 Jul 2018 18:06:29
Horvat would fight Rosolovic for the 2c spot more like Horvat would step in with Swagger taking that 2c spot and Challenging Schifele for the 1c.

19 Jul 2018 19:04:32
Ha ha ha. A center with a best season of 52 points is going to challenge Scheifele!

That is certainly a great way to let everyone here know not to take you seriously as you clearly don't understand hockey.

19 Jul 2018 21:50:20
Horvat would not be battling roslovic for a spot lol equally funny tho is saying he would be challenging scheifele.

20 Jul 2018 14:34:12
Obviously he’s not going to battle a top 10 c I’m just saying he’s “ MUCH “ closer to Schifele then Rosvolic he can’t tie Horvats skates.

18 Jul 2018 21:48:33
WPG: Trouba, Little, Petan
PHI: Gostisbehere, Patrick

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18 Jul 2018 22:54:34
This trade could be doable but the Jets would have to be patient with Patrick as he has been rushed into the NHL before he was really ready. Trouba is much better defensively than Gostisbehere who is superior offensively. Both teams win and lose so its a good proposal.

19 Jul 2018 00:23:48
No. The Jets don't need another offensive D man at the cost of a defensive D man.

19 Jul 2018 00:25:26
Okay so Little and Petan have basically no value ( late first packaged ) so Ghost ( the better player) for Trouba and you’re getting Patrick for free. Just to put in perspective for the three major fan bases on this site as a defencman Ghost ( 65 points ) out produced Nylander ( 61 points ), Ehlers ( 60 Points ) and came close to oilers franchise phenomenon/ super star 2nd best player in the planet Leon Draisaitl ( only 5 more Points with 70 )

19 Jul 2018 00:31:49
Holy Fluk. You haven't gotten one close. Not even a little.

19 Jul 2018 01:02:06
Yeah that's a huge no. Patrick and ghost lol.

19 Jul 2018 04:30:39
What are you saying lol no from Philly bruh 🙄.

19 Jul 2018 08:26:08
No from Philly and it's not close.
Ghost > Trouba
Patrick >>> Little and Petan.

19 Jul 2018 11:38:17
You cantactually say Patrick is better than proven leaders, point scorers. Yes he has a massive ceiling and is still young, but so did aki berg. Value wise, it's a no from both teams, your losing 2 key players from a contender for 2 players who haven't proven they can win in the playoffs. And Patrick would probably only be traded for a high ceiling offensive talent since he is purely a cheaper/ less skilled version of Matthews, with a couple more years of development.

19 Jul 2018 11:43:47
Lol. You're a sad little man VBB. Always throwing random little jabs in at the Oilers. Get over yourself man. Why are you so butt hurt all the time you need to take shots on oilers players when they have absolutely nothing to do with the post.

19 Jul 2018 14:15:43
I was just putting his value in perspective lol.

20 Jul 2018 16:12:26
Not really sure how you can compare Patrick to Mathews two completely different types of players.

18 Jul 2018 21:46:46
WPG: Trouba, Little
ARZ: Keller, Crouse

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18 Jul 2018 23:09:34
Trouba and Little are 2 proven players while Keller is a very good young center but Crouse is a prospect that is 1/ 2 years away. Jets would want a proven 2nd pairing d-man to even out this trade.

19 Jul 2018 00:28:24
No again. Keller is a good player, so I don't see why AZ would move him and for Crouse. The Jets don't need to give up assets for wingers. We have more than can fit on the big club as it is.

19 Jul 2018 01:02:20
Keller is not getting traded.

18 Jul 2018 21:15:47
What dose calargry need to trade for superstar prospect dmytro timashov? He's going to better than Mathews and marner. I know, I played fetch with his best friends cousins dog once.

Calargry
Monahan
1st 2019
Bennett

Leafs
Timashov
7th 2019

Bennett is a bust and has nagative value.

Then
Leafs
Carrick
3rd 2019

Saint Louis
Paryanko

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19 Jul 2018 01:03:25
Monogamous for the deal come on

Seriously parayko for that. This is hilarious.

19 Jul 2018 04:26:46
Hahaha omg.

19 Jul 2018 06:35:51
Redwing bruhhhh look at the name bud.

19 Jul 2018 08:28:11
Lmao the funny and kinda sad thing is vb is just a kid and he's triggered buddy so much to go out and make a new account and took time out of his day to make a joke prosposal.

19 Jul 2018 11:44:26
Too funny.

19 Jul 2018 14:18:11
Hilarious offers leafs would never trade Timoshov.

19 Jul 2018 14:26:47
This is definitely Barrie/ 2707 I also don’t see how I overvalue players on the leafs aside from Marner. Timoshov has looked decent on the marlies but he has zero value to almost any team and Carrick is worthless any team can have him.

20 Jul 2018 15:03:02
Calargry adds and nobody’s even heard of Paryanko, who’s level of stupidity were we talking about?

18 Jul 2018 19:40:48
WPG: Trouba
TOR: Marner

I've heard some people from Toronto and they'd embrace this trade. From Winnipeg standpoint I don't like it nor will it help them.

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18 Jul 2018 19:51:00
I wouldn’t do it from leafs. Marner isn’t going anywhere unless as a package for a superstar Dman like if doughty was available.

Nylander could be shopped for D but it would have to be a perfect fit for age and cap hit to make it work. If trouba came with a reasonable contract, then sure. But jets are offering. $4 mill and he’s asking $7 mill. That’s a negotiation I would t want to have here.

18 Jul 2018 20:35:30
Trouba is asking for 7 mil per year that’s ridiculous.

18 Jul 2018 20:40:33
Value wise, this is at least in the right ballpark. Has Marner played much as a C? The Jets would definitely prefer a C if Trouba is traded for a forward.

18 Jul 2018 20:59:58
I disagree with your notion that people from Toronto will embrace that trade. Frankly, I think most of them would tell you to get stuffed.

18 Jul 2018 21:05:43
Yeah. Bob McKenzie said on 1050 a few weeks ago (leading up to July 1st) that he heard from people close tot he jets that Trouba started at 8x8. When Carlson got 8x8 and OEL got 8x8.25, Trouba came down a bit. But his official ask in arbitration is $7 mill.

18 Jul 2018 22:25:21
Wpeg-sheffelie
Mtrl-petry Like same trade marner-truba.

18 Jul 2018 22:50:49
Marner=Liane. Rielly>Trouba. Rielly for Liane?

18 Jul 2018 23:12:44
Trouba would be the Leafs top d-man while Marner would make the Jets forwards very deep. I can't see the Jets trading Trouba for a forward, even one as good as Marner.

19 Jul 2018 06:36:44
Vb you’re an actual person if you think Marner is equivalent to Laine oh my goodness boi.

19 Jul 2018 11:45:31
W. T. F. Marner = Laine? Lmao. Delusional homer there. Watch he'll back peddle on that comment somehow.

19 Jul 2018 13:44:47
Marner is not worth laine, because laine does the hardest thing to do (score goals) better than almost everyone in the league.

But if it’s allowed to be said that trouba >> Rielly as these brutal homer jets fans think, then I’m okay with hearing Marner=Laine haha.

19 Jul 2018 14:22:11
Marner is WAY better at producing at even strength. Liane is ridiculous on the PP tho. I’m contradicting my self here but I’d rather have Liane. Marner can carry a line better tho Liane is often invisible for long stretches ( 5v5 ) where as Marner is more consistent.

20 Jul 2018 01:03:39
Marner is pretty overrated on this site, same as trouba so think it's fairly even, fits Toronto's needs but not Winnipegs.

18 Jul 2018 17:16:37
TB Trades:
- Mikhail Sergachev
- Ryan Callahan
- Tyler Johnson
- Taylor Raddysh
- 2020 1st Round Pick

OTT Trades:
- Erik Karlsson
- Zack Smith
- Bobby Ryan

NYR Trade:
- Matt Beleskey
- 2019 4th Round Pick



TB Acquires:
- Erik Karlsson
- Zack Smith
- Matt Beleskey

OTT Acquires:
- Mikhail Sergachev
- Tyler Johnson
- 2019 4th Round Pick

NYR Acquires:
- Bobby Ryan
- Ryan Callahan
- Taylor Raddysh
- 2020 1st Round Pick.

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18 Jul 2018 17:52:23
Sens fans are not going to like this lol Rambo and crazyattack will tell you that smith and Ryan are both better than Johnson.

18 Jul 2018 18:01:27
Id do it as Tampa. Not sure NYR are willing to take Ryan, or that Johnson would waive his NTC for OTT.

18 Jul 2018 19:23:30
Lol i'd figure so@UBJ.

My main reason for this is to kinda show the offset of value that Ryan might bring into a trade. Without Ryan, Ottawa could probably get more for EK, but with him, a third partty would get the addins (Raddysh and the 1st) . The Rangers basically give up nothing to take on two cap dumps which can be afforded, and they get another 1st and Raddysh. Ottawa gets the main piece in Serg and a decent C to replace Brassard.

And good to hear @JB. Was assuming that it may be a lot from TB’s perspective, but good to hesr that it sounds decent.

18 Jul 2018 21:27:10
I mean. It is a lot. But its both getting Erik Karlsson and dumping Callahan. Its not going to be all that cheap and the pieces involved I can live with and have kinda already come to terms with those pieces having to go to pull this off.

19 Jul 2018 10:02:34
I think it is a lot. Also what do we want with Beleskey and Smith?

19 Jul 2018 13:18:38
Smith would adequately fill a third line role and fill in top 6 (were losing Johnson and Cally here and are already relying on rookies in bottom 6 this year) . Actually one of the reasons i'm more comfortable giving up what they are here. Beleskey is 2 mill. You can bury a chunk of it in the minors or maybe throw him on 4th line. If you got to take him back to make the trade happen its not a deal breaker imo.

19 Jul 2018 14:19:09
@triplets, other teams are taking guys they aren’t overly excited about to make the deal work. Bolts are getting the best player by a long shot, have to compromise too. Downgrading a guy in your middle 6 to get Karlsson is an easy yes for anyone to see.

 


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