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21 Jul 2018 03:45:40
Leafs: Rielly
Oilers: Draisaitl

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1.) 21 Jul 2018 05:33:42
why would leafs do that . give up their one good D for a Center when they have Mathews, Tavares, Kadri .


2.) 21 Jul 2018 05:50:36
I’m going to be honest here Drais is great and has more value then Rielly but no way leafs make this trade Rielly is the only bright spot in there Dcore and Peter. C is known for making questionable trades so “maybe” if Rielly was a RHD he’d accept it but the fact is the oilers are set at the left side.


3.) 21 Jul 2018 06:19:14
Leafs have no need for drat and need Reilly way way more.


4.) 21 Jul 2018 08:11:55
Great idea, as we all know the Leafs could really use their surplus of great defenseman and trade for the elite C they're desparetly lacking.


5.) 21 Jul 2018 15:34:37
Biasjoe is just trying to see how we value our own teams players. It looks like vbb’s and myself know that Draisaitl has more value. That’s crazy eh joe, considering we’re leaf fans? Do you see how that works? I am judging a player by their true value, not what team they play for.


6.) 21 Jul 2018 16:04:50
Different situation leafs pull the trigger right away. But as said above, to trade your best Dman for a guy going to be 3rd centre or an $8.5 mill winger makes zero sense. Just stick to that Winnipeg koolaid, joe.


7.) 21 Jul 2018 17:05:04
Every Leaf Fan knows Drais>Rielly in value. But unlike the Jets, the Leafs have a need for Defense, as everyone knows, so we’d certainly not trade our best dman for another centre.


8.) 22 Jul 2018 22:54:42
pretty sure the leafs do this in a heartbeat. it wouldn't be that hard to flip drai or another asset for a very solid dman.

just a value game at this point. no idea why edm would do this.


 

 

21 Jul 2018 00:11:32
Leafs: Rielly
Oilers: Draisaitl.

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21 Jul 2018 17:01:25
Yes, the value experiment worked as I figured it would.

Vbbb, Leafs17 and Jim have all admitted they are true hypocritical homers.


According to the criteria established in the Trouba trades below by these Leaf fans, you absolutely have to accept the trade if you are offered a player of close to equal or more value. Regardless of whether or not you need them or can afford their contract. If you don't you're a homer.

Now, presented with the same situation, Leaf fans turn down the trade, but have multiple excuses as to why they aren't homers.

Thanks for coming out and admitting all Leaf fans on here are hypocritical homers, by turning down the trade.

memarcusjoe

1.) 21 Jul 2018 23:06:25
Read it again smart guy. All I said was Draisaitl has more value.


2.) 21 Jul 2018 23:06:43
So. Matthews, Marner, Rielly, Liljegren and 1st for Trouba, Little and Roslovic.

Who says no?
Probabky Winnipeg tbh. That offer from Toronto would need to at least add Tavares to get the almighty Trouba.


3.) 21 Jul 2018 23:27:49
And also, heres a list of a couple others that you and @islandjet rejected:

Marner for Trouba (You said it's in the right ballpark, but would prefer a centre. No thanks. Marner is a superior player to Trouba lmao. Marner drives a line. You don't say no to a guy who can quarterback a line because he 'isn't a centre'. Apart from Wheeler and Laine, Marner is a big upgrade to what you guys have) .

Rielly for Trouba (Just lol, Mo and Trouba are similar players and Mo is on a good contract, we should all see that Mo>Trouba based on that)

Bouchard (D-Prospect) + RNH for Little + Trouba (Upgrade centre which is what you want, and you get a 'cheaper' dman, albeit a couple years away. RNH >>> Little btw. )

And also. you might say 'SOME OF THESE TRADES don't HAVE DMEN TO REPLACE TROUBA SO there's NO POINT'.

Well:
Ain't you the one that said 'apart from Rielly, no one on Toronto would crack WPG's blueline'? Or was that islandjet? Either way, aparrently, you guys have an absolute PLETHORA of dprospects like Sami Niku or Tucker Poolman (Who are both apperantly better than Gardiner according to you guys lMaO) . So yeah, don't mess your words. If you have such a great dcore, why need to replace Trouba if you're upgrading at forward?


4.) 21 Jul 2018 23:18:07
In seriousness, let's get down to it, okay. Let's retrace some of those deals that were previously offered:

Ghost and Patrick for Little, Trouba and I think a 2nd.
You want a centre? You got a centre in Patrick as replacement for Little; younger, cheaper, more potential, better player next year imo.

You want a dman in return? You got a dman in return who isn't asking bonkers in money in Ghost, unlike Trouba asking 7+ million, lmao. And Ghost is a far, far superior player.

This deal is totally 1-Sided. Patrick and Ghost are superior players, and yet, you and islandjet rejected this trade. And for what? What other position do the Jets need help in, lmao.

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Juolevi and Horvat for Trouba and Little.

Hmmmmmmmmm. Let's break this one down too.

Horvat is far superior than Little. Horvat is young, cheap, and imo, I could see him as a selke candidate in his prime. He's the perfect shutdown 2C for Vancouver after Pettersson transitions from Europe. What's his replacement? Brian Little - old, slow, bigger contract. Vancouver's trying to get younger.

And of course Trouba is worth more then Juolevi, anyone with eyes can see that. But Juolevi was a #5 Overall Pick, and can break into the NHL next year. And you want a replacement dman aye? there's your replacement dman. He won't be as good as Trouba, but he's way cheaper and has potential to grow into a Trouba role.

NEXT!

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Keller and Crouse for Trouba and Little.

Lml, let's break it down shall we?
Little is worth more than Crouse 100%. Nobody denying that. Crouse is a 20 point winger in the NHL, nothing more imho. But look at what Arizona has done over the past two seasons: Galchenyuk, Hinostroza, Stepan. All superior or equivalent centres to Little on better contracts, or are better/ younger. But sure, I'll give you the value there, Littles better for sure.

Onto Keller for Trouba. KELLER IS HEAD OVER HEELS BETTER THAN TROUBA. Keller is the one really, really bright spot on ARZ. Easily has Marner potential and could be a star if surrounded correctly. And don't give me BS that Winnipeg couldn't use him and he'd be 'battling Roslovic and Dano and f'n Adam Lowry'. Keller would easily be one of the best players on the Jets and would make them nasty - giving them two role out lines; Schief/ Laine and Keller/ Wheeler. As for Trouba for AZ, what's he going to do? They already have a ton of money tied into Hjalmarasson, OEL, Demers and Goligoski. What, pay another 7 million for Trouba? Take a hike.

See buddy, we ain't the lunatics. You are. Stop acting like we're crazy. You're crazy. You want the sun and the moon for Trouba, and you ain't going to get it.


5.) 21 Jul 2018 23:54:38
Mathews=Eichel or any player not named Crosby or McDavid
Marner=Guadreau
Nylander=Paryanko/ Ehlers
Kadri=Nylander
Tavares=Kane
Rielly=Lindholm
Anderson=Quick
Gardiner=Ryan Murray
Marleau=Kovluchuk
Kappanen=13th overall
Brown=projected late 1st like Hartman
Hyman=Brown

Call me bias but this is my evaluation of leaf players.


6.) 22 Jul 2018 04:42:37
Your biased lol.


7.) 22 Jul 2018 05:31:58
Topshelfslpper I didn't say Trouba was the better player in all the trades mention but I believe that he is more valuable to the Jets than some trades proposed here. Marner would help any team in the NHL but the Jets trading for him would leave a big hole on the Jets defensive right side for a type of player the Jets have in Ehlers, Connor, Wheeler and Laine. Besides there is no way the Leafs would do this deal. If and when the Jets trade Trouba or any other player it will be for a piece or pieces that improve the team. You are the one that thinks every trade would improve the Jets and I actually know what the Jets have not only in the NHL but in the minors, that will be fighting for a spot on the roster. Some of these proposals look good now but could hurt the Jets in 2 or 3 years. You don't have to agree with me but that's my opinion and I really appreciate that you actually took time to defend your position with facts rather than the usual childish quip such as this team laughs or hangs up the phone.


8.) 22 Jul 2018 06:30:32
Why would Trouba leave a big hole in your Defense? Earlier today and yesterday you said jets have 7 Dmen better than Jake Gardiner who is a good top 4 Dman. How can you have 7 top 4 Dmen and yet turn down Marner because of the hole it would leave?! Lol you and MarcusJoe together have made jets fans look like the most clueless fans going. Good job 👏.


9.) 22 Jul 2018 14:54:24
Bahaha! From what we have heard from these 2 bozo’s, there are no holes in the line up. Give them the cup now, they did already have one good season in franchise history. I love how the island tries to sound all mature and non confrontational yet calls the leafs defense pathetic yesterday. That’s not childish quip at all?


10.) 22 Jul 2018 15:27:35
But now at the same time we are proving you are a hypothetical jets fan that doesn’t know hockey or the value for players on your team with out being a homer. You can compare the 2 teams jets and leafs an they are close value wise. So for you to call them homers and not yourself is crazy. And if we go back through all the threads him gives the best reasons and break downs on all trades. You just have to figure out even though you don’t like Toronto there’s players are good and some really good.


11.) 22 Jul 2018 16:56:33
The other factor in trading a player is how it affects the teams cap space. Trouba is not worth $7 mil a year to the Jets based on how many more players they have to sign. He may be worth $7 mil to teams that have players that are signed to long term affordable contracts but Trouba at $7 would cripple the Jets with Connor, Wheeler and Laine coming up next season. Some of these trade proposals on paper are very good but in the cap world would hamstring the Jets for years. If you were informed more about the Jets prospects, of their 4 top ranked d-men only Poolman is a right shot player. In 3/ 4 years the Jets may only have Myers, Trouba and Poolman in their system so a need for left shot d-men are not a priority. If they are forced to trade Trouba the Jets have 5/ 6 top forwards coming up in 2-4 years so getting a forward that would want 7-8 mil a year would be cap crazy when they have affordable players coming up. The big picture is hard to take, but a trade involving Trouba is a lot more complicated that getting, on paper, a better player or players that the Jets can't afford in 2 years. If the Jets trade Trouba it most likely will be for a young right shot d-man that isn't ready to be a top pairing player for 2 or 3 years. The Jets would still have Buff, Myers and Poolman who can shelter a young d-man until they are ready to take over.


12.) 22 Jul 2018 18:13:43
@Islandjet,
That's what all the Leafs homers on this site don't understand. They think it is like NHL 18 and that if you have a player that is rated 80 and someone offers you two or three players that total 82, you have to take that trade. It doesn't matter that you can't afford them, or that you don't need a player at a certain position, you just have to accept the trade.
They need to understand that in a cap world there is far more to a trade than just equal or more value.

Especially, when they want you to rely on their homer centric views on player values on players they know nothing about instead of using advanced stats to evaluate players that you don't get to see play often, like I do.


13.) 22 Jul 2018 19:48:33
Lol @marcus whafya have to say for me? Is my evaluation false and am I a homer too? Hmph. No response from Marcus as of what I’m seeing.


14.) 22 Jul 2018 19:48:33
Lol @marcus whafya have to say for me? Is my evaluation false and am I a homer too? Hmph. No response from Marcus as of what I’m seeing.


 

 

 

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15 Oct 2018 23:40:32
Yeah, I'd rather keep Ehlers considering how much Nylander is supposedly asking for. Hyman isn't needed or wanted at all and Gardiner and Myers are a wash. So, no thanks.

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15 Oct 2018 06:28:53
But I think it will be a two year bridge, not longer.

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15 Oct 2018 06:27:47
At this point, I really think you'll be looking at a bridge contract for Nylander. Which should work out better for you at least in the short term. He's not going to sit out a year and it doesn't appear they will trade him, so bridge is the only option left. Unless one side or the other caves on their expectations for a long term deal.

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15 Oct 2018 05:45:19
The CBA has rules on the maximum salary variability on a contract which I believe is 35% up or down. So, if you have him $10M in years 1-4, the remaining years need to be at least $6.5M.

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14 Oct 2018 01:48:38
I think Poolparty and a second on top of Nurse is a bit much coming from the Oilers, maybe picks and/ or a lesser prospect. Although again I don't think the Oilers can afford Nylander with how they have screwed themselves on the cap. Plus I doubt the Oilers can give up Nurse with the state of their defense this year.

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