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07 Aug 2018 22:01:09
St. Louis - Colton Parayko, Oskar Sundqvist
Montreal - Max Pacioretty, Charles Hudon

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08 Aug 2018 00:36:41
This should be fun lol.

08 Aug 2018 02:11:02
Patch had only 1 year left, St. Louis probably can't keep him after that, so he's basically a rental. Hudon is nothing special, neither is sundqvist, but Parayko is a very good top 4 defender on a decent contract. So Hans definitely need to add, if St. Louis would even be up to trading parayko which I don't think they will.

08 Aug 2018 02:15:27
St. Louis declines but I also don’t think Montreal should make Hudon avalible.

08 Aug 2018 03:42:26
Is this Pinball?

08 Aug 2018 04:40:14
Easy no from St. Louis.

08 Aug 2018 19:01:23
yeah that's a big no thanks from the blues. No reason at all for this move. Armstrong made his team a contender. Made the center postion strong, Has strong D has potential scoring threats and some great depth. Only issue is which Jake allen is going to show up. The one that stole the wild series in the playoffs or the one who looked like dog poo. We shall see.

09 Aug 2018 03:24:49
Change your name to blue1 already.

10 Aug 2018 00:29:17
Why this is common since. Fyi no body ever talks about Detroit. They are both my teams.

07 Aug 2018 20:18:00
So I posted a Leafs-Canes trade for Pesce a few days ago but I thought up a more revised version of the potential deal.

Brett Pesce

Jake Gardiner
Kasperi Kapanen
Garrett Sparks
2019 1st Round Pick

TOR gets a big, young, right-handed, defense-oriented D-man who's on a reasonable deal for many years.

CAR really shores up their offense (an area of weakness for them) with Gardiner (50+ point D-man), they add a young, high-skill forward in Kapanen, they get a top goaltending prospect in Sparks (another area in which they aren't necessarily strong) and a 1st round pick to boot.


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07 Aug 2018 20:54:42
Lol @ Sparks= “ top goaltending prospect “.

07 Aug 2018 22:12:23
Its Gardiner's first season with over 50 pts in his 7 year nhl career. You can't just throw-in (50 point d-man) if he just reached that once.

08 Aug 2018 00:16:27
@vb You're right, he's not a "top prospect" but on a team like Carolina, he'd easily become the backup to Darling and potentially even become the starter over time if given the starts.

@Crazy You're also correct however, the point I was trying to make with that was that Gardiner is great offensively, he ranks 30th among defensemen in terms of points over the past 5 seasons, a lot of which were with the Leafs at the dead bottom (or close to it) of the standings. He's only had less than 30 points in 1 FULL season of his career and so, the 52 points he had the last season really is the cherry on top in terms to his offensive game and on a team that doesn't have very many major offensive threats like Carolina, that goes a long way.

08 Aug 2018 02:26:39
Pesce best season is 20 points and was only a plus in 3 seasons once he's not worth a first let alone adding all the players. Its more than leaf fans who are delerious on here.

08 Aug 2018 06:20:07
I guess you obviously never heard of Alex Nedejkovic

@Just a leafs fan

He’s their future in net.

09 Aug 2018 17:46:03
Its easy to hit disagree on my comment but at least back it up.

09 Aug 2018 19:55:51
@ carnyslop

I agree he's not worth all those players but I would say he's worth more then just a mid-late 1st as he is used against other teams top lines and shuts them down well and is also young with a good contract I see something around TOR first and Kapanen would be a good deal for both teams.

07 Aug 2018 16:20:36
What if Mtl and Pittsburg made a deal?

Pitts:Sprong, Maata

Mtl: Patches, 2rd 2019

Would Pittsburg consider?

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07 Aug 2018 16:34:48
I don’t think so. Pens can’t afford to trade def.

07 Aug 2018 16:37:24
Why would Habs?
I've been hearing about Sprong for what seems like forever, however. haven't seen him. And Maata isn't anything special
I'd rather get picks . after the Skinner deal, we aren't going to get the return we would all like to see. so., if they are going to rebuild. let em rebuild, Sprong and Maata aren't the peices I want to see in a rebuild.

07 Aug 2018 16:48:25
I’d say no from both. Habs would want/ need young talent and picks. Maata is just a good solid D. Would help a good team but habs won’t be able to get the most out of him for a cpl years atleast.

And penguins D is really weak after Letang. Plus Sprong has some upside that they hope will be cheap offense sooner than later.

07 Aug 2018 19:01:06
I like maata. I wouldn't mind this deal.

07 Aug 2018 13:21:44
Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
1st Round Pick 2019

Winnipeg Trades

Thoughts ?

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07 Aug 2018 14:57:12
There is nothing in that offer that the Jets need at all. They wouldn't consider that deal in the slightest.

07 Aug 2018 15:04:51
The Jets don't need quantity as they have players that are better than the ones being offered in this trade. All three players offered would be UFA in 2 years, would not be an upgrade in what the Jets have on their 3rd or 4th lines. Comrie is younger and has more upside in goal than Sparks. The 1st would be nice but would be in the mid 20's and a player drafted then is no guarantee that they will be a top end player. The Jets would need a top line player, or a can't miss A prospects plus draft choices back for Trouba who would be the Leafs top pairing RHD.

07 Aug 2018 15:49:16
Carrick is a fringe RHD. Brown is the best piece there as he could be a good depth guy with some secondary offense and sparks has no chance to take hellbyucks job and they have plenty of G depth behind him with brossoit, comrie, is hutch still there?!

Jets want atleast one REALLy good young piece coming back. It’s just not there.

07 Aug 2018 15:55:35
Why all leafs trades involve the same few players? Leafs fans see them as extras that fans give away for really good players for some reason.

07 Aug 2018 16:36:35
I’d rather take that deal then pay Trouba 8 million.

07 Aug 2018 19:12:11
To start with all 3 of
Brown, Carrick, and Sparks will be RFAs not UFAs in 2yrs so you are wrong there.
Sparks won the equivalent of the Vezina in the AHL so he is far better than Comrie.
Carrick is a better suited number 3 RHanded Defenceman than Trouba is as the Jets are deep with Byfuglien and Myers ahead of Trouba.
Yes the Jets have great talent but the bottom 6 needs some depth.
Tanev, Copp, and Brown is a great 4th line for any Team and it only makes the Jets better in the end with this Trade.
Trouba is what the Leafs need to notch Hainsey down to make them solid on Defence.
As for the probable late 1st Round Pick many late 1st Round Picks have become star players so any 1st Round Pick means something.
Or maybe the Jets use that Pick to get the Center they need at some point to replace the departure of Stastny.
So to say the Jets won't bite with the Trouba contract problems etc doesn't wash as I see a fit for both Teams.

07 Aug 2018 21:34:16
The Jets wouldn’t take that deal whatsoever. Instead they need a top end prospect in return. My thoughts are proposing this:

WPG: Trouba
TOR: 1st Round Pick 2019, 2nd Round Pick 2020, Liljegren.

07 Aug 2018 21:48:16
From your own description of the trade, you're offering a bunch of depth pieces to the Jets.

Brown is a winger and the Jets have wingers galore, so no need for Brown. Goalies don't have much value at all. Carrick is a bottom pairing defenseman who may be able to play top 4 someday and a late first.

Nobody trades a young, top pairing RHD to get bottom 6 and bottom pairing depth. You would need to add a much more valuable piece.

So, the only fit here is for Toronto as there is absolutely no fit for Winnipeg.

07 Aug 2018 22:16:53
You're on the right track. However, the Jets wouldn't take an all futures trade. They would need a good, center or defenseman roster player coming back as well.

08 Aug 2018 01:56:18
Memarcusjoe I would prefer to get Lindgren, a 1st Round Pick 2019 and another mid range peice however I don’t see anyone I personally like. Maybe Gauthier as a centre but that’s it.

08 Aug 2018 01:57:09
So I’ll revise my trade

WPG: Trouba
TOR: Liljegren, Gauthier, 1st Round Pick 2019.

08 Aug 2018 05:37:06
That's why I think we're poor trading partners with Toronto. Their best available pieces all play positions the Jets don't need.

As for your Gauthier proposal, that would be selling really low on Trouba. 29 other teams would beat that offer easily.

08 Aug 2018 06:28:13
29 teams would out bid that offer 2 1st round picks and 2nd? . you think Carolina is going to pay more then that for another dman? You think Pittsburgh, Washington, Calargry or Nashville is going to destroy there cap space to take on another dman that they don’t need? Or you think teams like Detroit, Chicago, Montreal, Ottawa and New Jersey have the Assets to even make that type of offer. I bet many other teams wouldn’t be interested in him either.


Reread this nonsense before you post next time.

08 Aug 2018 14:35:10
Vbbb I really believe that there would be at least a dozen teams that would want Trouba and many of them have the cap space to pay him over $6 mil per. Detroit, Philly, Boston, NYI and Vegas have interest in trading for Trouba. I believe that Chevy will only trade him if they can't get a long term deal done before next season. This may be hastened if Poolman steps up and plays as he has done in the past. I agree with Memarcusjoe that the Leafs and Jets aren't good trading partners as what the Jets would want for Trouba the Leafs wouldn't trade.

08 Aug 2018 14:57:45
We've all seen over the last few days how terrible you are at evaluating players by the amount of disagrees you get on your posts.

Young, top pairing RHD don't come on the market every day. There would be a bidding war for him.

Watch some hockey and try to learn a little bit about it before you post next time.

08 Aug 2018 22:52:05
Not that I agree with vbb’s Joe but you’re not new to this site, the disagrees mean absolutely nothing.

08 Aug 2018 23:45:22
True. But he's also been ripped pretty good on his Leaf valuations by fellow Leaf fans the last few days. I guess what I'm getting at is that he is terrible at player values and bases his trade values on who he likes. If he likes the player or they are a shiny new toy, they are worth a ton, if he doesn't like them, they are almost worthless. He always has far too much bias in his evaluations to be taken seriously. So, he is the last guy to trust for objective trade valuation.

09 Aug 2018 04:25:43
I’m the one ripping him Joe. I’ve seen way too many years of the leafs being a bubble team or bottom feeder. I’m excited about their team now but you won’t here me saying much unless it’s in defense of a comment. I’ve been brought down to earth too many times thinking they had a real team. I still don’t think they’re contenders without a stud d man. I think Tampa, Boston and even Buffalo will have something to say about the leafs getting out of the first round again.

09 Aug 2018 06:12:21
I hear ya Leafs17. It was nice having a discussion with someone on this site that didn't turn into a bunch of childish ranting. It doesn't happen very often here.

07 Aug 2018 06:17:09
St. Louis
St.Louis 2019 1st

for Erik Karlsson

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07 Aug 2018 06:30:56
Well that’s an easy yes from Ottawa.

07 Aug 2018 07:40:01
Is it an easy yes for Ottawa?

I'd say even Karlsson would welcome it and sign a longer deal.

07 Aug 2018 07:41:11
Meant to say. Is it an easy yes for the Blues?

I'd say so too. ;)

07 Aug 2018 07:45:12
It is after all, something that could throw the Blues over the top as much as it is good for the Sens.

07 Aug 2018 16:37:27
I wouldn’t trade Paryanko straight up for Karlsson.

07 Aug 2018 18:19:43
vbbbvvbb I agree with you i wouldn't trade parayko for a soon to be ufa dman let alone adding fabbri and a 1st no thank you.

07 Aug 2018 19:47:24
Paraykos contract makes him kind of an equivalent to scheifele. Where centres not nearly as good are going to be getting $9+ mill and he makes $6.1mill for 6 more years. Parayko at $5.5 mill for a few more years while top D (doughty, karlsoon) will be $11 mill and the next tier like OEL, Burns, Carlson etc get $8-$8.5. Hedman is the bargain of the bunch at $7.75 mill or whatever lol.

08 Aug 2018 19:03:44
There should be no way they trade him. They couldn't fit karlson under the kap. He needs to go to a team like vegas or NY with cap room.

07 Aug 2018 02:48:57
What do you think. Leafs 1st rounder going to be low IMO.

Most low firsts similar to high 2nds.

Gardiner+1st 2019


Toronto gains an extra year of conteol on faulk that they wouldn't have on Gardiner. after this season Gardiner is going to be asking for 6years around 6milper. Which Toronto Cannot do. Carolina can. that immediately saves toronto around 1.2 mil off the top on next years cap where mattews . marners . and nylanders contracts are all active.

They can then Pair Faulk with Reilly on the. top pairing finally take Hainey get him qith carrick lr zaitsev on the 2nd or 3rd pair.


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07 Aug 2018 05:16:54
All depends how leafs view Dermotts readiness for a bigger role. Right now Rielly and Gards on the left and only zaitsev as a natural RHD in the top 4. So this shifts that problem form R to L. If dermott steps up to take Gardiners spot which is possible, then it helps. But to be honest, Faulk isn’t the guy we need. He’s an upgrade on the RS, but I’d rather a really solid 2 way or just defensive guy to be Riellys long time partner. I think Rielly is good enough and smart enough that they could reign him into be the more stable guy beside Faulk as the rusher, but I think it’s better to leave Rielly doing what he’s become comfortable with and find him that Marc Methot type guy.

07 Aug 2018 05:23:48
Also I don’t think the pick needs to be a 1st to make up the difference but all depends how much they value the year of control. Gardiner might not interest Carolina withe their D already good enough to make Faulk expendable and if I were trading a top 4 d with a great cap hit plus a first, I’d want more than a top 4 D with a slightly higher cap hit back.

07 Aug 2018 10:36:54
Have you looked at Gardiners career stats compared to Faulks? Gardiners stats are much bwtter. No way they give extra.

07 Aug 2018 13:22:56
I think that's slightly misleading. Gardiner didn't turn a corner to score a round Faulks career average in points until about 2 years ago when the leafa forward corps really took off. And his points are assost driven. Faulk on the other hand is a goal scorer who had a down year this year, which was only 6 points lower than his career norm and would have tied Gardiner career high pre Mathews and Marner. Gardiner doesn't have better career numbers, Gardiner has better numbers since he got to work with Mathews Marner Nylander and Marleau and Faulks top forward was Skinner? And no real other offensive threat to help compliment him. Gardiner likely better on D, although ill be honest i'm not sure by how much or how to quantify it reliably. Faulk has extra year of control, right handed, and probably puts up better numbers than Gardiner if playing with the same level of offensive talent around him. that's why i personally would give Faulk more value than Gardiner, not sure how much more though. Regardless Carolina will he looking for forwards in a Faulk deal.

07 Aug 2018 14:10:50
Or is it because he is a leaf jbs? I could argue that throughout there careers Faulk has played on a better all round team. The leafs even though being good offensively are still wrak defensively. Gardiner is minus 10 in his career. Faulk is minus 109.

07 Aug 2018 14:42:37
@jbs. Fair enough. I didn’t say Gardiner is better. Said Faulk isn’t the right fit. Also o don’t believe the difference between them either way (whoever you feel is better) is a 1st rounder. That’s all.

07 Aug 2018 16:40:42
Faulk to Toronto just isn’t a good idea no Matter how you spin it. We need the exact opposite type of player.

08 Aug 2018 00:45:53
Look Cherry, I take offense to your comment. I am not a Leaf hater, I am just looking at facts. I have stated before how I think the Leafs D is better than people give credit, and I gthink a big part of that is people discounting Gardiner. Carolina has not been a better offensive team than Toronto since Gardiner came into the league. They were above Toronto in goals scored once, and it was by 4 goals. Faulk, however, has been above Gardiner in goals and points every year until the Leafs hit it big with Mathews and Marner, two players the likes of which Faulk has never been able to play with. +/ - is a team stat, when your team can't score you will look bad. When your goalie puts up 7 straight below average save % seasons, your +/ - will look bad no matter what you do defensively. I am not saying Faulk is a great defensive player, but his minus numbers are similar to Gardiners before Mathews Marner and Freddie came along as well. I don't disagree with people saying Leafs need a more defensive minded D, but Faulk isn't some scrub who can't hold Gardiners jock strap, and saying an extra cheap season, of a more offensively talented, RHD is more valuable really is not some big crazy hot take. I look stuff up before I post comparing players, I like to speak from an informed opinion, and try to look at more than just what's on paper as well. But I do not discredit a player based on the jersey they wear.

08 Aug 2018 20:40:29
My apologies jbs, just used to people overrating and underating other players strictly based on the jersey they wear. I do still disagree with you rating Faulk higher but I guess that is personal opinion. If you look at Pesce and Slavins stats they are plus players while Faulk is far into the negative so I think that negates the argument of the Carolina goalie being bad. I guess we have to agree to disagree. don't get me wrong though, neither will win any defensive awards.

Sorry if I offended you.

08 Aug 2018 23:26:21
I agree with you though doncherry. The only way that a guy with the same team around him should have that far worse +/ - is when he has to play against the top lines all the time and it’s obviously a lot tougher. But at home Bill Peters puts Slavin/ pesce out against top lines whenever he can because he has last change. Most of the time that Faulk faces top lines would be on the road and it’s because the home teams coach has identified he wants his top line against Faulk instead of Slavin/ pesce. I don’t dislike Faulk, he’s good at what he does and would be a great add to quite a few teams. But Toronto isn’t one of them.

09 Aug 2018 03:56:03
I overreacted so i apologize for that i just try hard to look at things from an unbiased stand point and have a ton of respect for how the Leafs have turned things around so quick. I won't argue Faulk is a better player than Gardiner because i don't think that's true, its just the other factors i stated above that i believe give him more trade value. I don't think anyone would argue slavin and pesce are top pair players and they were only +1 last year, which i feel proves my point on +/ -. Faulk isn't a great D player just likely not as abysmal as given credit.

07 Aug 2018 02:39:53
Its No Secret Toronto needs to Upgrade their Defence.

They should be doing this by any means Neccisary. And by not moving Mattews,Marner, or nylander .

Toronto IS going to be finishing high in the standings i'm decently confident on that. if there was ever a year to go for it this is it.
Trade that first round pick . Package it with Gardiner And Solidify the blueline.

Toronto Trades:
Jake Gardiner
1st Round Pick

Carolina Trades
Justin Faulk

It would be a +800k added to torontos cap . They also get a HUGE extra year of control out of faulk at a cheap 4.8M they woukdnt have with gardiner. On gardiners new deal he's going to want in the vacinity of 6M per on a 5-6 year minimum deal. which the leafs just can't do.

I think then taking Hainsey off the top pairing . and Pairing Faulk with Reilly, then moving Hainsey down with Carrick or Zaitsev. on the second or third pairing. I think that would really help not only solify their roster but help long term as well.

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07 Aug 2018 06:43:12

07 Aug 2018 22:31:21
Carolina needs wingers they are not just going to gift Toronto a better defenseman for a late 1st and Gardiner, try trading Nylander or marner for a stud dman.

06 Aug 2018 13:39:17
Carolina Trades

Toronto Trades
Holl (AHL)
2ND Round Pick 2019

The Caine's gave Skinner away for next to nothing maybe they bite on this..

Thoughts ?

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06 Aug 2018 14:24:40
I would also add a 3RD Round Pick 2020 to make it similar to the Skinner Trade.

06 Aug 2018 14:39:18
Carolina can keep Faulk while the value may not be bad.

06 Aug 2018 17:54:57
These guys are 25 and 26 years old. Not sure why Carolina would want them as they have much better younger players that can fill any need those guys could. so essentially it's a 2nd for faulk and eventhough I'm not a huge fan of faulk he should get more then that. But it is don Waddell we are talking about here.

07 Aug 2018 02:54:12
There is such thing as a salary cap. Toronto can't just keep adding salary with term and expect to not create. log jam. They would have to give up Gardiner in any trade involving Faulk. Carolina would much prefer nylander. then toronto would have to sweeten the pot then add a 1st .

Making it
Gardiner and a 1st

For Faulk

toronto does add 800k this season but that's ok. its next season they're worried about. By not having to resign gardiner they actually save money next year .

This really makes to much sense not 5o have been atleast considered by toronto.

07 Aug 2018 04:52:27
Leafs have close to 15 million in Cap this Season. Nylander probably signs for 6 million a year like Ellers in Winnipeg then at the start of the Season you put Horton and his 5.3 million on LTIR and there is close to 9 million in Cap. Yes the Leafs can add to what they have even after Nylander is signed. So #DJP117 look up there Cap Space and see where the Leafs are at. They have plenty of Cap Space.

07 Aug 2018 05:21:00
Pinball he means because Faulk is into next season too. Meaning that $9mill + the few mill that come off the books from hainsey etc is going to be spent on Matthews and marners raises. They’re ont have $4.5mill or whatever extra unless they are letting gardiners 4.05 mill walk.

07 Aug 2018 10:49:31
Faulk is minus 109 on his career. Not what Toronto needs. Rather keep Gardiner.

07 Aug 2018 13:28:29
+/ - is a terrible stat that is influenced by his teammates that have not been good since he got there and a goalie that posted below average save percentages for 7 straight seasons. In fact i believe Carolina gave up on of the fewest amounts of shots in the league but were bottom 6 in goals against.

07 Aug 2018 14:39:19
So Slavin and Pesce, who both had the same goaltender for the last few years are both plus hockey players. So Ward only played bad in front of Faulk?

07 Aug 2018 15:54:03
Yeah, the stats do point towards Faulks defensive lapses. I think it’s more likely that ward/ darling/ whoever struggled to stop pucks more with Faulk on the ice because he gave up better scoring chances against than it is likely thatthebhoalies just played better every shift the other pairing came over the boards. Faulk is a great skater and has some skills built for today game, but he’s not the guy for the leafs unless they get a really solid Defensive player to pair him with.

05 Aug 2018 18:28:17
EDM: RNH, 2019 1st Round Pick
WPG: Trouba, Petan

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05 Aug 2018 20:02:55
This trade helps the Oilers more than he Jets as they get a coveted and hard to obtain young 1/ 2 RHD. They also get a center in Petan who can't crack a skilled Jets lineup but would be a solid #3 behind McD and Draisaitl. The Jets could use RNH but would have to trade Little in order to afford him and aren't desperate for a center as they have Roslovic and Appleton that are ready to step up to the big team this year. The 1st would have to be unprotected.

05 Aug 2018 21:21:39
I agree Islandjet this trade would actually make the Jets worse next year. RNH is a good player, but makes our cap situation worse. The slight upgrade at 2C isn't worth giving up a young, top pairing RHD for. The first would be great, but wouldn't help for a couple years.
We'd be filling a small hole at C by creating a huge hole on D.

05 Aug 2018 22:09:56
I feel like oilers fans underate their defense and overrate their offense they need wingers more then defense.

05 Aug 2018 16:41:32
Ducks Trade

Leafs Trade
Connor Brown
1st Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

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05 Aug 2018 17:23:06
Classic Pinball.

05 Aug 2018 21:05:22
Anaheim laughs at this and never bothers dealing with us again LOL.


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