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20 Apr 2019 02:30:12
Edmonton: Milian Lucic And 8th overall

Rangers: Future Considerations

Rangers get another top 10 pick and can afford to take Lucics salary as they are in a rebuild.

Oilers dump that toxic contract and mark the beginning to a brighter future.

Obviously Edmonton fans will disagree with the magnitude of his negative value but what do you guys think?

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20 Apr 2019 12:05:40
Oilers fans realize it’s an anchor of a contrat; but they also know that they can’t afford to trade the pick as they need more high end talent in the pipeline (especially with players on affordable ELC’s) .

They need one of those cap-hit-free buyouts (unfortunately that would probably only come from a lockout), or for Lucic to retire or something or to find a way to put him on LTIR (maybe he gave Hossa a high five and contracted his diaper rash) .

20 Apr 2019 14:05:22
Yah a LTIR excuse would definitely be ideal.

20 Apr 2019 16:58:22
The Oilers give up too much to dump Lucic's contract.

20 Apr 2019 18:48:11
Future considerations lmao this is the nhl not a bum league.

20 Apr 2019 21:29:23
What? Players have been traded for future considerations hundreds of times?

20 Apr 2019 22:36:04
if the Oilers asked for a 7th in return the deal would be off the table right? lol.

20 Apr 2019 22:37:47
or is the future considerations belesky.

21 Apr 2019 17:06:02
Sorry vb I’ll put it this way, I don’t think a player with that bad of contract like Lucics can just be traded for future considerations alone, and the fact oil trading a top 10 pick like I don’t thunk the league would allow that haha.

19 Apr 2019 21:05:08
To Ottawa - j. t. miller, Cedric paquette, 3rd 2019

To Tampa Bay - chris Tierney, nick paul.

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19 Apr 2019 05:55:02
I think this might be fair
To Pit- kailer Yamamoto, 2019 1st, 2020 2nd, Milan lucic
To EDM - Phil kessel
No retention, pits sheds 750,000 cap roughly gets a pick In the first round which they don't have and lucic who could protect Crosby etc.
Maybe I'm way off but I think it works

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19 Apr 2019 06:11:16
You’re way off lol.

19 Apr 2019 16:12:59
Basically Yamamoto for kessel? Cause the draft picks would be for taking lucic. And pens would be looking for cap space, not taking on an anchor contract. Sorry, not well thought out at all.

19 Apr 2019 21:00:56
Pittsburgh has a 1st round pick?

21 Apr 2019 02:00:16
For Edmonton they are in a rebuild even though they have 2 of the Top forwards in the NHL.
Kessel is not a good move where they are at, I would Trade McDavid to start the rebuild properly, they need a lot and the only way to do that without wasting McDavids years is to Trade McDavid and they would get a ton for him.

19 Apr 2019 05:22:59
Crazy trade:

Pens create more cap space this way (almost 5 million) .
Also, Pens haven’t had any 1st round picks in a few seasons and no 1st round this year. Finally, Pens could use some toughness.

Oilers need a goal scorer and 3 line Centre.

Oilers: Lucic + Yamamoto or Puljujarvi + Bear or Jones + 2019 1st round pick

Pens: Kessel + Bjugstad.

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19 Apr 2019 02:17:26
TOR: Nazem Kadri, Connor Brown, 1st or 2nd 2020

PIT: Phil Kessel

Just cause I want maximum chaos and this would light Toronto and Toronto media on fire. Especially with a Toronto lineup of

Johnsson - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau/Moor - Nylander - Kessel
Marleau/Moor - Gauthier - (Marlies or new version of Ennis)

MAXIMUM CHAOS!!!!

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19 Apr 2019 19:43:19
Why? To all of this. Why is Kessel on the third line? How would this work with Toronto's salary? Kessel's contact has a NTC and a NMC clause, why would he want to go back to Toronto were the worst years of his career were?

19 Apr 2019 19:58:32
@TyBa4

1. He'd want to go back to Toronto to win 2. He wouldn't have a choice cause I would assume Toronto is not one of the 8 teams on his no-trade list. Kadri and Brown are basically the equivalent of Kessel's salary, and Kessel is a top RW in the league which Toronto would love to have. He's on the third line because Matthews is a scorer and putting two snipers on one line wouldn't work, Nylander is more of a playmaker and would probably work well with Kessel.

19 Apr 2019 21:19:22
Cap space from the leafs POV makes it a no go. Trades will need to be made to replace/ Make space for the following.

-Mitch Marner ( 10+ million )
-Jake Gardiner ( Dermotte takes his spot but someone needs to play on the third pairing )
- 1RD to replace/ resign ( Hanisey )
- Kappanen ( around 5 mil )
-Johanson ( around 4 mil )

According spotrac. com the leafs will have roughly 27 million in cap space so this could be manageable but it’ll be cutting it close.

19 Apr 2019 23:25:27
Vbbb use cap friendly to get your info it's much more accurate.

20 Apr 2019 07:21:39
Cap friendly doesn’t know what players will sign for habby.

20 Apr 2019 14:06:51
Capfriendly only show cap for this season and I wasn’t feeling like doing the calculations myself.

20 Apr 2019 19:54:01
Did you ever look at it? It shows the caps for 7 seasons on my devices. And leafs 17 who said they would show what players will sign for? They are a cap site not a magical wizardry site.

20 Apr 2019 21:30:33
Well maybe it’s different on the computer.

20 Apr 2019 22:33:49
I don’t know what I was thinking habby. I read something backwards. My apologies, I thought maybe you did think cap friendly was magical.

21 Apr 2019 01:35:23
It's the same on iPad too vbb not sure about on phone though.

18 Apr 2019 22:16:06
Nashville: PK Subban And Elli Tolvanen

Pittsburgh: Phil Kessel, Justin Schultz And 1st 2019

Nashville- Gets Kessel whom would debatably be their best forward, a 1st round pick and a replacement for Subban. Subban is apparently unwanted in Nashville and Tolvanen looks like he doesn't fit in their system. This makes Nashville a better team today and possibly in the future.

Pittsburgh- Subban is coming off a bad season but is still a 1D. Defence is currently Pittsburgh's weakness and the addition of Subban improves that. Tolvanen is a replacement for Kessel and could be a huge future addition. Kessel seem to be the piece for to go for a shakeup

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19 Apr 2019 03:19:02
I'm wondering if Nashville would be more inclined to make a deal to free up some cap room with this trade they take back slightly more I think.

19 Apr 2019 06:12:45
I see zero reason why Nashville would make that pick. Zero.

19 Apr 2019 06:12:51
That trade *.

19 Apr 2019 21:03:21
For one Justin Schultz is looking like a stud and could replace what Subban brings. They dump Subban who they don’t want. And they get a star forward who is better then Forsburg currently imo.

19 Apr 2019 21:03:56
But Habby you make a extremely valid point.

16 Apr 2019 14:36:20
to New Jersey
Kulikov
Suess

to Winnipeg
3rd

Jets would have to add more value normally but given the need New Jersey has at D as well as Kulikov only having a single year left makes it seem like this is the proper balance of value.

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16 Apr 2019 19:45:37
try like a 4-5th round from NJ.

16 Apr 2019 21:11:51
I would not could not make this deal,
NotDelusional2 is correct I feel.

17 Apr 2019 21:37:41
not sure who suess is, but don't think that is enough to get a 3rd to take kulikov contract at this point.

17 Apr 2019 22:11:49
Suess is another version of Copp, Tanev, Lindholm. He is in tough to crack the Jets lineup but he could help NJ on the 4th line.

16 Apr 2019 13:37:31
EDM - 2019 1st (8th), Puljujarvi
MON - 2019 1st (15th), Drouin

Thoughts on the cost to move up and if that’s a deal Montreal would be interested in.
Also I’m aware the Oil would need to drop cap. Might have to be in another trade or potentially added to this one.

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16 Apr 2019 15:25:37
I don't think this is close for MTL to consider. Pul just doesn't have enough value to be brought into a deal like this to level it out. Maybe if you take out Drouin and go for someone else.

16 Apr 2019 19:46:42
It is interesting but because of pool party's lack of establishment in the league i could see montreal saying no.

16 Apr 2019 20:42:13
What if Byram or Broberg are still there at 8? Also I think GM’s might value Puljujarvi more than we do. I understand that he’s a gamble but he still has high potential.

17 Apr 2019 02:14:50
If by ram is still there at 8th then that makes it closer but habs might be able to get Broberg at 15th. Drouin played bad for 20 games this year. Pulujarvi hasn't done anything in 3 years. I think the habs would still want more.

18 Apr 2019 19:23:17
It might not be the right move for Montreal and may be too much. But I was looking and in the past the price to move up in the draft is fairly expensive. To move up 3-5 spots in the late 20’s it’s usually a 3rd. To move up 5-7 spots in the early 20’s- mid teens it’s an early second. So I’m thinking to move up 7 spots from mid teens to top 10 it would be at least a late first.
It all depends if Montreal wants to move on from Drouin or not I’d think. Also what GM’s are seeing in the draft.

15 Apr 2019 15:10:54
to Philadelphia
Kadri
Der-Arguchintsev

to Toronto
Gostisbehere

Equal cap hits (although gostisbehere has an extra year), but toronto would be well served by a defenseman of his caliber, even if that meant giving up a high quality center

Flyers have a lot of high quality young defensemen and really should try to increase offense as well as another veteran presence for their young guys.

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15 Apr 2019 20:18:11
Heeeeeeell no from Philly. Gost is way younger and has the potential to return to his dominating offensive form.

15 Apr 2019 20:42:36
Ghost really isn’t the deffensman Toronto needs at all but with that being said if he’s a RHD I’d make that trade but I wouldn’t want to trade Kadri.

15 Apr 2019 15:09:41
Draft Day Trade.

Colorado Trades
TBarrie
1st Round Pick 2019 (16th Overall)

Toronto Trades
Kadri
Zaitsev
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)

Colorado will be looking for a 2nd Line Centre and Kadri fits the bill, they also have the Cap Space to take on the extra 3.5 million with Zaitsev added in the Deal.

Toronto gets that Top RHanded shooting Defenceman, saves 3.5 million to help in there resignings and gets there 1st Round Pick back from the Muzzin Trade.

Thoughts ?

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15 Apr 2019 18:09:46
Colarado says no. Even if you remove Zaitsev and drop the 1st to a 2nd its closer but don't think they would do it.

15 Apr 2019 19:07:27
This is about as bad as it gets the aves don’t trade Barrie straight up for kadri for sure they don’t give up a 1st and take back a cap dump.

15 Apr 2019 20:19:24
Jeez, where does this reductions value for Kadri come from? He wouldn’t get you Barrie straight up let alone a first AND Colorado taking on Zaitsev.

15 Apr 2019 20:44:22
I think Kadri for Barrie is an even trade taking out team needs. Kadri would be the 2 C in Colorado.

15 Apr 2019 21:43:37
Rumour has it that Colorado is picking 4th and could very well be picking a centre, maybe Dozens, Dach or Zegras.
Not sure many teams want a headache like Kadri.

16 Apr 2019 00:23:41
@vbb let's just say for arguments sake he's better then soderberg or kerfoot which I don't think but why would Colorado trade their number 1 dman for such a slight improvement ( if any)?

16 Apr 2019 11:09:46
Lol what Sodenburg in Kefoot are trash. Like Lucic level trash. Kadri is a 30 goal scorer who is playing shut down role because he’s also great defensively. He was Toronto’s best player in game 2 even though he took a stupid penalty. Leafs will keep Kadri as he is the best 3C in the game. Did you also ignore the fact that I said “ taking out team needs. “.

16 Apr 2019 14:37:20
First off kadri was a 30 goal scorer and where are the stats that suggest soderberg or kerfoot are lucic level?

16 Apr 2019 14:43:33
I'm pretty sure both of them had seasons at least equal to your glorified Matt cooke.

16 Apr 2019 15:30:35
Players VBB has added to Lucic level: Soderberg, Kerfoot, Faulk. are there any other recent ones?

16 Apr 2019 20:49:10
Kadri had two more points than Kerfoot this season… yet ones a “30 goal scorer” and the other is “trash”. Barrie is better offensively than Kadri. They’d play him 2C before they make a 1 for 1 trade for Kadri. Lol.

17 Apr 2019 01:08:01
Jamie Benn also had a bad season? Is Barrie worth more then Benn? 1 bad season dosent define a player.

17 Apr 2019 07:01:55
When both Barrie and Kadri are at there best they put up similar offensive numbers. So how’s that just one season?
Kadri has been trending down for 3 seasons now, so what’s his norm? Maybe he’s just a good 50 point guy. Which Kerfoot will probably be.

17 Apr 2019 15:36:33
Is kadri anywhere close to Jamie Benn?

17 Apr 2019 19:54:30
Not sure where you check your stats Ebs. Does tending down for 3 seasons mean career bests and back to back 32 goal seasons? I’ll never defend some of Kadri’s actions but he’s a top 2 center on half the teams in the league.

17 Apr 2019 20:15:34
Stats trending downwords?

17 Apr 2019 20:15:56
Get back to me when Barrie scores 30.

17 Apr 2019 23:15:50
Trending down as in 61, 55 then a 44 point season. I agree with you Leafs17. I just think a 55+ point RD has more value than a second line center.
Get back to me when Kadri gets 45 assist? Does it need to be pointed out forwards typically get more goals than D?

18 Apr 2019 03:38:40
Trending down 61 pts to 55 pts to 44 pts it's certainly not trending up. Lol.

18 Apr 2019 06:28:09
He's a 3rd line centre on most teams in the league just like he is in toronto.

18 Apr 2019 10:55:31
Well he’s a 1c in Montreal. There’s only a handful of teams at most teams where he’d be a 3 C Toronto, New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Edmonton, Washington, San Jose And Florida are the only ones and his decrease in points totals are due to a decrease of playing time. He’s playing behind two of the best players in the game. He’s a 70 point player in a 1c position.

18 Apr 2019 14:06:24
No actually he's a number 3 in Montreal too. He had years of opportunities with his only competition being Tyler bozak and he couldn't become a number 1 centre in Toronto so I doubt he be a number 1 on any team in the league.

18 Apr 2019 16:44:51
You can add Boston, Chicago, Philly if Giroux is playing C, Vegas, Winnipeg with Hayes, Tampa. And you can argue Calgary, Nashville and probably a few other teams.

18 Apr 2019 22:14:59
Aighht, so because Kadri does what he did he's apperantky a 3rd liner now? His numbers are only down this year because of Tavares and his concussion. He was on pace for 50 despite a terrible shooting% before his injury. just because of his idiotic decisions doesn't mean he's suddenly a 3C on montreal (definetely not, lol) l Hayes is certainly not better, Nashville has what Turris, he had a rotten season and Granlunds a winger; Kadris better than Johnson considering they play Point on the wing, i'd say Statsny&Kadri are even, Stastneys just having an excellent postseason, Krejci has one good year out of nowhere and he's suddenly better?

I get Kadri did something idiotic. And it was extremely idiotic, mind it. But don't discredit him. Two back to back thirty goal years and he still puts up pro-rated 50 points on the 3rd line with an old Marleau and Nylander who everyones been discrediting. he's a 2L on most teams, and its not much of an argument.

19 Apr 2019 02:53:52
Don’t think anyone said he was a 3rd liner actually. But yeah he would play 3C on a lot of teams. Nuge occasionally plays 3C and he’s definitely not one.

I thought Point centred Kucherov? Well I don’t really think Kadri would be playing ahead of Krejci and his 73 points. And I was thinking Granlund was playing center.

19 Apr 2019 03:23:01
Ok so who do Montreal move to make room for Kadri? Domi? Not a chance. daneault? nope he's better too. Kotkaniemi is going nowhere so maybe Kadri could hold down the 4th line centre spot.

19 Apr 2019 22:59:14
Trending downward from career bests, yes. Back to back 32 goal seasons and he has less talent to play with on the 3rd line this year. 4th line is pretty funny in Montreal though habby. Danault has one good season with 12 goals and he’s better too? If you want to talk about defensive skills, Kadri has shut down some of the best.

19 Apr 2019 23:27:02
Daneult has shut down some of the best too. What's your point?

20 Apr 2019 16:24:15
My point is you saying Danault is better than Kadri is laughable. Wearing red and blue doesn’t make a player better. If Kadri would be 4th line center in Montreal, you guys have the best center depth in the league. A great goalie, coach and the best GM, I don’t understand why they’re golfing.

20 Apr 2019 16:44:59
Since 2012-13 when he was near a point per game, Kadri has been solid. Danault had one good year.

20 Apr 2019 20:01:43
Daneult was injured last year had a decent season before that playing with far less talent then Kadri or getting the power play time he does. This year daneult centered one of the top two way lines in the league And with all that Toronto talent I don't understand how they were only 4 pts ahead of Montreal and were close enough to golf season that guys like you went and hid for 3 weeks. daneult is better 5 on 5 and it isn't even close. Kadri benefited from a good Toronto power play and got 24 of his goals there during his 2 30 goal seasons. Noticed he didn't score near that amount this season when Tavares took some of his pp time?

20 Apr 2019 22:54:10
You are right, I don’t know what I was thinking. Kadri is a 4th liner in Montreal. I don’t know what talent you’re talking about in Toronto. They don’t have a guy like Danault. Also, some of us have a life beyond talking to strangers on the internet, while others lead the post/ reply list. I’m sorry I was hiding, lol.

21 Apr 2019 01:36:56
Feel free to leave again any time.

21 Apr 2019 01:39:58
You were one of the busiest posters on here when the leafs were playing well but then you mysteriously get a life when they sucked down the stretch lol. Vbb was the only leaf fan who was anywhere to be found on here.

21 Apr 2019 06:00:48
I rarely post habby and I only reply when I think I know what I’m talking about. I don’t know everything, not like yourself.

21 Apr 2019 16:53:42
Ok yes I've noticed that. But not knowing what your talking about hasn't stopped you from continuing to post on this thread.

22 Apr 2019 04:44:46
Kadri is better than Danault. I’ll let you have the last word now. I know what that means to you.

22 Apr 2019 14:16:47
Ok cause it would be a shame for this thread to end on such a biased lie.

 


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