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15 Oct 2018 16:06:06
Nylander.W, Gardiner.J
Chycrun.J, Crouse.L, 3rd-2019

Yes In know that Chycrun isn't the right handed shot everbody wants but could fit beside Reilly and push Hainsey to 3rd pairing to save his legs

If Babcock wants a true 3 line rotation



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15 Oct 2018 17:55:07
This is a joke, the third and Nylander is more then enough for Crouse and Chychrun, you don’t have to throw in Gardiner as well.

15 Oct 2018 18:59:04
Crouse holds next to no value anymore unfortunately. Always thought he would. A 3rd is what it is. So to make this happen, that young Dman would have to be really good and ideally Rigjt handed. It’s just not the right fit.

15 Oct 2018 04:45:19
So, here’s my thoughts: we offer Nylander a front loaded contract: years 1-4@$10M, followed by years 5-8@$4M. AAV = $7M.

Why Nylander does this:

He gets long term deal close to what he wants. The front loaded contract acts as NTC, as nobody is going to want to pay Nylander $10M unless he really steps up his game and starts hitting 25+ goals and 80+ points a year consistently (in which case, we get our money’s worth and won’t trade him anyway) .

Why Leafs do this:

They get Nylander at a price close to what they want. And at the same time, leave open the possibility of trading him the second half of his contract should they ever desire to do so for whatever reason.

It’s a hard negotiation. And if what Jodes says below is true, that Leafs are wanting to bridge Nylander at 4x$5M, then Nylander may as well start packing his bags now. Because they are way too far apart to reach agreement.

It’s just one possibility that I haven’t heard anyone else discuss yet. I mean, somethings got to give here. If you think $7M AAV is too high, just lower years 1-4 to $9M and AAV is $6.5, which seems pretty reasonable to most people on this site.

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15 Oct 2018 05:45:19
The CBA has rules on the maximum salary variability on a contract which I believe is 35% up or down. So, if you have him $10M in years 1-4, the remaining years need to be at least $6.5M.

15 Oct 2018 05:58:14
Marcus is right. You would have to slowly decrease it. Like $10mill, $9mill, $8mill etc. Year to year can’t be more than 35% gap.

15 Oct 2018 06:27:47
At this point, I really think you'll be looking at a bridge contract for Nylander. Which should work out better for you at least in the short term. He's not going to sit out a year and it doesn't appear they will trade him, so bridge is the only option left. Unless one side or the other caves on their expectations for a long term deal.

15 Oct 2018 06:28:53
But I think it will be a two year bridge, not longer.

15 Oct 2018 06:41:26
@memarcusjoe and UnbiasedJim

Very interesting. I’m glad I floated this proposal here. I just learned something new about cba again. Jim, you especially seem to be well read in the subject.

So the idea could still work, but the payout each year would have to be slightly changed is all.

Thanks joe and Jim. I really appreciate the response. As I’ve said before numerous time, knowledge is power.

15 Oct 2018 16:10:09
Dont think willy will do a bridge deal or iw would be done by now. Its going to come down to trading him. So do it now and get that money helping our blue line.

15 Oct 2018 19:04:27
Nylanders not going to waste a whole season. And even if he does, we own his rights till he’s 27. Ride it out. Hold strong at long term for $6.5 mill range. The longer this goes, the better it is for the leafs as his cap hit is being weighted more and more to this season than years 2-7 by the day. Best case is sign him November 30th. If we do that and it’s for 7x$6.5mill, his cap hit is almost $9.1 mill this season and it’s $6.2 for the next 6 seasons. That’s ideal for us.

15 Oct 2018 00:11:09
Leafs- nylander
Vegas- Theodore

Leafs get a top 4 two way d man that's young and on a good contract. Vegas gets a young goal scorer that they can afford and need with the loss of Neal this off season.

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15 Oct 2018 05:11:22
That would leave too big a hole on Vegas D.
There top two lines are alright with the two new additions of Pacioretty and Stastny.
First line stays in tact from last year Marchessault - Karlsson - Smith
And Pacioretty - Stastny - Haula or Tuch or Nosek.
Ya it would be pretty sweet to stick Nylander on that second line with Pacioretty and Stastny. But I think
Theodore is just too big a lose to that D. got to target someone else who can afford to lose a D man like that for Nylander.

14 Oct 2018 23:41:23
Toronto: Nylander

Oilers: nurse , 2020 1st

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15 Oct 2018 11:23:52
so you want nurse AND a potentially top 5 pick in 2020 for nurse?

15 Oct 2018 13:11:22
Well I think he’s an Oiler fan. So he wants Nylander for Nurse and a 1st.

15 Oct 2018 14:11:31
Yup easy no from oilers we need nurse lol and that first.

16 Oct 2018 10:26:04
I meant to see potentially top 5 and nurse for nylander. oops was tired. yeah no.

16 Oct 2018 10:27:42
Why would edmonton give up a potentially top 5 pick and nurse for Nylander?

14 Oct 2018 23:14:17
Time to stir things up. Something original and outside the box.

Leafs sign Nylander 8x$7.5
Leafs sign Gardiner 5x$6.5

Leafs trade Marner, picks/ prospects
Buffalo trades Dahlin

Leafs trade Rielly
St. Louis trades Parayko

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Nylander
Lindholm/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Dahlin/ Parayko
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
(Sandin/ Liljegren)

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15 Oct 2018 00:02:55
Unless the picks and prospects going to buffalo are Liljegren Sandin and marner to don’t think buffalo considers this. they need defence more than another small skilled forward.

15 Oct 2018 00:39:58
So easy no from Buffalo.
As for St. Louis trade, interesting because of the weaker left side they have on D and Rielly + Petro could be a nice pairing but I’m going to say no from St. Louis due to command of what Parayko brings.

15 Oct 2018 01:24:38
Id rather keep Rielly, and Buffalo would never do that, they need d more than offense.

15 Oct 2018 01:53:13
Dont like any of it. Especially Gardiner for 5 more years.

15 Oct 2018 04:59:04
I figured one of the prospects would have to be Sandin. Yes. Just was hoping to keep him so when we trade Gardiner in a few years, Sandin would be 3LHD. No way I would be giving them Liljegren too. A 1st maybe and that would be max.

Marner would look good in Buffalo playing with the young guns they got over there. A core of Eichel, Reinhardt, Marner, Middlestadt, Nylander, and Skinner is very attractive.

15 Oct 2018 05:13:24
Yes but having Eichel, Reinhart, Middlestadt, Nylander, Skinner and Dahlin is even more attractive.
Such an easy no from Buffalo, a no, while laughing at Dubas on the phone. But Dubas would never even ask such a trade anyways he's smarter than that.

15 Oct 2018 07:25:38

Drinking again tonight are we? You’re troll game is strong here. Marner for a prospect, no matter how good is a high risk/ high reward trade that Leafs would never make. And that’s why Dubas would never make the call to begin with.

Marner as setup man for Tavares or Matthews could be hitting 80-90 points this year. A long shot to compete for Art Ross Trophy, it still wouldn’t be inconceivable in a few years, as Marner will be a perennial top 10 producer in the league.

Not sure why Buffalo wouldn’t want a player on the team that could set up Eichel or Reinhart for 40+ goals a year like he is doing for Tavares right now in Toronto. Marner would be the best player on the team. Reinhart and Eichel are underperformers and need an elite winger to reach the next level.

15 Oct 2018 11:24:56
Think for Buffalo to consider getting rid of Dahlin you'd have to start with J. T. or Matthews and go from there. franchise player for franchise player?

15 Oct 2018 13:17:50
The only one drinking is the one who suggests Buffalo might trade Dahlin who they JUST drafted 1st overall and is a perfect fit for the team who was weak on D.

15 Oct 2018 14:13:20
Marner most definitely would not be the best player on buffalo also.

15 Oct 2018 19:53:08
@mcjesus, I’m on board with saying buffalo doesn’t make that trade lol they’re keeping Dahlin. But Marner/ Eichel could be a good debate. Eichel has had a cpl injuries, but when healthy has been great (.84 pts per game) . Marner has been healthier, played a season less, and had Stints on the 4th line (.85 pts per game) . Just read a stat today actually from the day he was promoted from the 4th line last season, including the 7 game series vs the bruins and the start of this year, in 53 games he has 28 goals and 42 assists for 70 pts. That’s a torrid pace. Obviously Eichel is that 1C that is going to garner more interest and gets a value advantage, but I don’t think putting them in a conversation together is that crazy.

16 Oct 2018 05:47:38
Are you all insane? Marner would easily be the best player on Buffalo. The Leafs would laugh at this and would never trade Marner or Matthews as they are untouchable as are Reilly and Tavares. As good as Eichel is he in my mind is still a gamble for me at 10 million a season over 8 years as he often gets injured and has not played a full season. As for Dahlin, I am not sold on this player as a franchise player. He may turn into a capable defender, only time will tell.

16 Oct 2018 14:04:47
@NylanderMagic. I’m soldnon Dahlin and he will be far more than a capable defender lol.

14 Oct 2018 23:01:24
Mtl Petry gallagher julsen

Tor nylander gardneir

Tor hainsey 1 rd pick or sandin

Canucks edler

Hyman mathews gallagher
Marlue tavars marner
Kappenen kadri brown

Rielly juslen
Elder petry
Dermont nikta z

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15 Oct 2018 00:40:42
Edler lol.

15 Oct 2018 03:59:47
Did you post this just to get jim and Habby started again?

14 Oct 2018 22:08:47
Conor Timmins

William Nylander

TOR gets a young, tall, right-handed defenseman who's reliable in his own zone and extremely skilled handling the puck and can chip in with offense. Timmins is currently injured however I firmly believe that once he recovers, he is ready to be an impact NHL defenseman.

COL on the other hand really bolsters their depth on RW behind Rantanen and adds a major scoring threat 5 on 5 as well as on the power play with the addition of Nylander. They also have a good amount of cap space to sign him for this year and the future, especially with expensive contracts like Colin Wilson's coming off the books at the end of this season.

Also, COL has Makar in the system already and so, losing Timmins in such a trade will not hurt them as much as it will benefit them in the short and long run.

Oh and Timmins used to play for the Sault St. Marie Greyhounds so the Dubas connection is also there.


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15 Oct 2018 00:06:50
I posted this a couple weeks ago, I personally would do it based on needs of both teams, but I do think that Colorado should add a bit based on the fact that nylander is currently a proven top 6 forward and will get better and Timmins hasn’t proven anything at the nhl level. I like it tho, pull the trigger!

15 Oct 2018 00:40:55
No from leafs.

15 Oct 2018 04:02:54
Maybe I’m greedy, but I would try and get Avs to throw in a pick as well.

Timmins is a very highly rated prospect, and depending on the analyst, is even more highly rated than Makar. A real steal for Avs where they drafted him, he would look good beside Rielly, and along with Liljegren, would cement Leafs RHD for years. Some on this site may say Nylander holds more value, but don’t you listen to them. Timmins holds more value to us because he fills a glaring need, and would alleviate cap situation for a few more years.

14 Oct 2018 18:19:04
Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW - RFA) + Josh Leivo (LW - 0.65 Million x 1 Year) + Calle Rosen (LD - 0.90 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Selection.

Columbus Trades: Ryan Murray (LD - 2.90 Million x 1 Year) + Gabriel Carlsson (LD - 0.90 Million x 2 Years) + Josh Anderson (RW - 1.80 x 2 Years) .

Toronto gets some solid assets for Nylander. Murray hasn’t blossomed in Columbus, but could be a solid shutdown dman for the time being in Toronto. A change of scenery could be a benefit for him. Carlsson is a solid shutdown dman, he's the main piece in the trade: he could play with Liljegren on the Marlies, and they could become Torontos second pair for the future. Anderson is a guy who could be solid on Toronto: grit and size (with skill) is much needed in our bottom six.

Columbus gets the big prize in William Nylander who could blossom into their 1C if they see Dubois as a better fit for 2C. If Nylander struggles at C, he could easily be a 60-70+ point winger. This move could also indicate to Panarin that they’re willing to compete now, maybe giving him more incentive to stay. If Panarin leaves, at least they’d have Nylander then. As for trading away two defensemen, it does hurt, but for a forward of that caliber, its okay to deplete the depth slightly. Leivo can be a temporary replacement for Anderson, and Rosen replaces Carlsson’s minutes on Cleveland.

Toronto Lineup:

Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - Kasperi Kapanen
Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Par Lindholm - Nazem Kadri - Josh Anderson
Andreas Johnsson - Tyler Ennis - Connor Brown
*Frederik Gauthier

Morgan Rielly - Travis Dermott
Ryan Murray - Nikita Zaitsev
Jake Gardiner - Ron Hainsey
*Justin Holl, Igor Ozhiganov

Columbus Lineup:

Artemi Panarin - Pierre-Luc Dubois - Cam Atkinson
Nick Foligno - William Nylander - Oliver Bjorkstrand
Boone Jenner - Alexander Wennberg - Anthony Duclair
Sonny Milano - Riley Nash - Josh Leivo

Zach Werenski - Seth Jones
David Savard - Markus Nuttivara
Scott Harrington - Adam Clendening.

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14 Oct 2018 22:46:20
Murray is looking more and more like a bust, and Carlsson has been demoted to AHL, taking a step back when hope was he made the team this year. I mean, let’s face it, Columbus’ defense isn’t that strong after their top line and they were really hoping these guys would work out for them. Anderson is a very good player and I love his size. Actually, I love the size of all these guys.

I think Columbus wins this trade. It’s nice dumping a couple fringe players to go along with Nylander. It’s a bit of a gamble here on Carlsson and Murray though.

15 Oct 2018 11:26:39
I'd take the gamble. yes it would hurt losing the top player in the trade, especially if murray and carlsson do not work out. but on the other side of the trade it could be like the rask trade or kessel trade years ago (with toronto being on the other side of the coin this time and winning the trade by a long haul) . either toronto can lose or win by a landslide doing this deal, . so it'd be high risk high reward potentially.

14 Oct 2018 17:52:25
Rangers Trade

Leafs Trade
2nd Round Pick 2020

Rangers in a rebuild and Shattenkirk isn't part of it if you read what's out there.
Shattenkirk would fit in more with the Leafs and with him locked up for the next 3 Season's including this year it's a positive move.

Thoughts ?

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14 Oct 2018 18:36:15
Shattenkirk has been a healthy scratch, he’s overplayed and isn’t very good defensively. Only thing he’s got going for him is his handed ness. Leafs easily say no.

14 Oct 2018 21:23:36
Ya this is pretty bad for the Leafs. Shattenkirk isn't the type of D man the Leafs should even be considering looking into making an offer for.

15 Oct 2018 04:09:38
Rangers are desperate to get out from Shattenkirks contract. They would make this trade in a heartbeat. We could probably get Shattenkirk for less than Gardiner. NYR would be more than happy to just give him to us is my guess.

Not sure Shattenkirk is the right guy for us. If we exchanged firsts to go along with this deal, may be something to think about. Shattenkirk could be placeholder until Liljegren is ready I guess.

14 Oct 2018 16:52:30
Montreal Canadiens:

•) Brendan Gallagher

•) 1st Round Pick 2019

•) 2nd Round Pick 2020 if Nylander Ressigns

Toronto Maple Leafs:

•) William Nylander.

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14 Oct 2018 17:33:36
No from Montreal. They shouldn't trade their 1st.
What do you mean by "if Nylander resigns"? Lol. They going to trade for him when he's not signed then just not sign him? That's funny.

14 Oct 2018 17:40:28
Habs wouldn't do gallahger straight up so ahhhhhh no!

14 Oct 2018 17:53:44
That condition is useless because if he’s not signed, they don’t even touch this. They wouldn’t give up a player like Gallagher just to talk to Nylander, definitely not Gallagher and a 1st!

14 Oct 2018 19:39:20
Lol wouldn't trade him up straight up? You sure about that?

14 Oct 2018 19:49:34
@ unsportsmanlike yeah 100% sure you seem to forget gallahger is already on a good contract.

14 Oct 2018 20:17:25
Unsportsmanlike, this what he’s become. He is now the habs VBB lol he’s just going to say outrageous one sided things assuming he’s fighting the good fight. Lol.

14 Oct 2018 20:42:50
Ok mr high and mighty jim if the situation was reverse you woulldnt do it either. Gallagher at 4 mil less for about the same production. Yeah I must be a real dick. Show some class for a change man.

14 Oct 2018 21:16:37
Gallagher brings so much more then points although he does contribute in both goals ( 30 goal scorer last year) and points. he's also a huge leader for habs and play a gritty fast pace game.

14 Oct 2018 21:20:04
Same production?! Lol Gallagher, 26 years old, is in his 7th NHL season and has never broke 60 pts. Nylander, 22 years old, has had 2 NHL seasons and has never not hit 60 pts. You’re embarrassing yourself. Have a nap and clear your head. Come back when your not so cranky.

14 Oct 2018 21:25:04
Fight fight fight. Haha. You two are fun.

14 Oct 2018 21:41:43
BoomBoom. I agree with you. I like the way Gallagher plays, I think he does wear his heart on his sleeve and teams need that. But saying he’s worth more than a 22 year old with a way higher ceiling is not close to reality.

14 Oct 2018 22:16:51
Nylander hasn't ever come close to scoring 30 goals that can go either way. and at 4 mil less I'll just keep gallahger thank you. Go try and convince someone who doesn't know how this works lol.

14 Oct 2018 22:54:44
Darcy tucker went 100% every shift for the leafs. Was a great team guy. Between the age of 26 and 32 he had 4 20+ goal years, hit 28 once, broke 60 pts, all things similar to Gallagher (except the 60 pt thing) . But he wasn’t going to be traded straight up for a young star forward lol role players don’t have the same value as young guys with high end skill and potential. And it’s more a young mans game now then it ever was then, so the gap between is even wider.

14 Oct 2018 23:13:07
We'll at least tucker was better then joey crabb I guess. Next time you take a stroll down memory lane go alone.

14 Oct 2018 23:36:17
And again who did tucker play with? And who does gallahger play with? lol you just can't get it can you. It was a good try when you were trying to say brown scored 20 goals as a 3rd/ 4th liner if I hadn't known the difference I would have had to say yeah your right jim, brown is great.

15 Oct 2018 00:46:10
You can say whatever you want. Look at the numbers, age and price. Paul Byron is worth exactly the same as Connor Brown, which is very little.

15 Oct 2018 05:00:33
Yes I intend on saying whatever I want.

15 Oct 2018 05:39:34
Lol 😂.

15 Oct 2018 11:28:41
toronto would do this every day of the week. a forward at a good contract, a potential top 5 pick and a 2nd round pick to boot? what's the incentive for montreal? nylander is not the franchise player to turn that franchise into cup contender. he is very very very good and a good piece to build a core with (along with drouin and domi) but i think montreal would hang up the phone. then again it is bergavin we're talking about, always looking for the big fish trade.

15 Oct 2018 13:46:11
@pkane. I agree they would do the posted trade. What we were disagreeing on was that Gallagher alone is worth more without the 1st or 2nd round pick.

15 Oct 2018 14:22:46
Who the F was disagreeing gallahger was worth more then gallahger plus a1st and a2nd lol. You need a break man. I said montreal wouldn't trade gallahger straight up for nylander and I still stand by that 100%.

15 Oct 2018 15:39:53
That’s what I said lol i agree this is good deal for Toronto. We were disagreeing on if Gallagher alone was worth more than Nylander. You think yes. I think no. Lol read it again ol fella.

15 Oct 2018 19:39:15
I was talking about the previous comment when you said we were disagreeing on that gallahger alone was worth more without the 1st and 2nd . I never said that, obviously gallahger with a 1st and 2nd is worth more then just gallahger. Lol.

15 Oct 2018 21:11:12
Read it one more time Habby, and this time take the condescending dick attitude out of it. Then you will understand I was saying you think Gallagher is worth more than Nylander without the 1st and 2nd being included. I never say you think Gallagher is worth more than Gallagher, a 1st and a 2nd lol I don’t say Nylanders name in it, i assume people know who we were talking about but You actually try really hard to make things seem more difficult than they are. It must be exhausting for the actual people in your life.

15 Oct 2018 22:35:03
I only do this to you jim lol. At least I didn't twist words around and try to make it sound like you said something else completely different I just used what you actually said. Lol have a good night!

16 Oct 2018 03:30:28
No. That’s exactly what you did lol you knew what I said and pretended I said something else. Gallagher=Nylander Ha!

16 Oct 2018 05:28:24
That's a much better user name.


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