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17 Apr 2018 22:37:24
Christopher Tanev (4.450 Million) + Brandon Sutter (3.500 Million - 20% Retention) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Andrew Nielsen (ELC) + Dmytro Timashov (ELC) + 2018 1st Round Pick.

Toronto picks up a dman who just had an injury riddled, down year. They take back a salary dump in Brandon Sutter who could be a decent 3rd line centre, ; and due to his salary addition, the value going to Vancouver should be lessened.

Vancouver picks up a First Round Pick, as well as two prospects for a dman who may be overtaken by guys like Hutton, Stetcher, Juolevi and possibly guys like Dahlin/ Boqvist/ Hughes should they target dmen.

Toronto Lineup:

Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Mitchell Marner
Andreas Johnsson - Brandon Sutter - Kasperi Kapanen
Joshua Leivo - Miro Aaltonen - Connor Brown

Chris Tanev - Morgan Rielly
Jake Gardiner - Travis Dermott
Ron Hainsey - Nikita Zaitsev

Frederik Andersen
Garrett Sparks

- Its probably a bit too little from Toronto, idk how to sweeten it. maybe add in Connor Brown for Timashov and remove Sutter? Idk.

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18 Apr 2018 02:15:07
I like it Tanev would be a great fit.

18 Apr 2018 02:43:55
Brock is going to want Nylander, 1st for Tanev lol all star top
Pairing guy in his prime Tanev. Stud. Or is that Edler?

18 Apr 2018 09:58:16
Not enough value from Toronto to get anywhere near Tanev, plus Sutter in a good team is a 3rd liner or a really good 4th liner and at only 3.5 million he has enough value to fetch atleast 2 2nd round picks considering cap hit, contract length and age. So I’d say No bug time from Vancouver, maybe add Liljegren or Dermott.

18 Apr 2018 12:01:34
Sutter sucks @AO. he's been a 20-30 point guy. You’re saying he'd be a great fourth liner, that proves my point, at 3.5 million, he is an overpriced contract that is going to be added to a trade in order to lower the value that is going towards the Canucks. He can’t fetch 2 seconds, i don't know where you got that from (Shaw/ Eller maybe), but they were both traded before they were signed to bloated deals. Sutter already has one.

And as seen by multiple people, including non-Leaf fans like Yup, Liljegren for Tanev is an overpaymenr by the Leafs. I’d consider Dermott as the same as Liljegren, so that too would prob be an overpayment.

18 Apr 2018 12:30:26
You can keep Suter then lol.

18 apr 2018 16:17:35
brandon sutter has negative value at best.

18 Apr 2018 20:31:26
Looks about right. Ignoring the nonsense about Sutter being worth 2 2nds (he’s not) I think it’s reasonably close. If Tanev was not such a bandaid Vancouver would get more but he misses like 30% of the season every year. Leafs would probably be willing to add a 2nd or a meh prospect, especially considering how well he played with Rielly at the worlds. You can forget about adding Dermott or Liljegren though.

19 Apr 2018 00:01:30
Not bad value.

@AO99 - His great contract value makes him a great 4th line centre so leafs have to add a 19 year old top D prospect. Lol at 3.5mill?!?! Every team in the league has 4-5 players either on the team or in the AHL knocking on the door that could play 4th line for $800k-1.5mill. You’re nuts haha of you had h e quotes tanevs good contract (2 yearsx4.45mill) I could agree, that’s good terms for a top 4 D.

19 Apr 2018 04:00:48
Tanev sven Gagner retain 25 percent of Tanev contract 25 percent of gagner as well reason Canucks have a lot of cap maple won’t / add value / there lossing Bozak and Jvr there not as good but won’t cost them lot in cap
2018 1 2019 1.

19 Apr 2018 04:43:09
Actually not bad, good post.

19 Apr 2018 15:54:38
@Brock, leafs would have no interest in anyone you named there except Tanev. And you want 2 first round picks for them to take a handful of your misfits? Lol not a chance.

17 Apr 2018 18:47:56
MTL pacioretty

FLA Bujstad, 2018 1st, 2018 2nd.

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17 Apr 2018 21:04:08
No chance unless Patches is extended. Even then it’s iffy.

17 Apr 2018 21:20:52
Lmao patch is 30 is slowing down in production his not going to get much maybe bujstad but i would rather bujstad on my team over patch.

17 Apr 2018 21:25:22
The only gm dumb enough to trade for web was Bergevin so you stick with him now lol.

18 Apr 2018 00:34:27
I ment to put it on vbbbvvbb post below.

19 Apr 2018 04:43:26
No from Florida.

17 Apr 2018 15:06:04
Canes trade: Faulk, aho

Oilers trade: Draisaitl

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17 Apr 2018 18:47:47
This has my attention as I’m a big fan of both Carolina players but no from Edmonton imo.

17 Apr 2018 23:27:01
What? No from Edm? Are u kidding me. You think the difference betwen Aho and Draisalt is more then 25 year old RHD Faulk. Sebastien Aho is not a add on to Faulk to get Drai. He already had him self at least 70 percent of Drais value. Then Faulk has i'd say also at least 60-70 percent of Drais value as well. No way they trade two pieces that are worth by themself a good chunk of his value for a guy who just had a mediocre season but by no mean exeed his past performances. i'd say Edm adds a prospect like Yamamoto with Drai to get both Faulk and Aho.

17 Apr 2018 23:31:44
Edm takes this and run any day of the week. Aho just had 65 points as a 20 year old player with no real number one center in Carolina. Pretty impresive and then you wanna add Justin Faulk who is himself worth at least 60% of Drais value. No way. Drai just had 70 point in 78 games. Its good but its a deacresed frkm last year. Why overpay for a center who just had a mediocre season while giving a 20 year old winger who just had a break threw and a 25 year kld RHD. Big no from Carolina are u kidding me?

18 Apr 2018 16:27:20
the reason Edmonton says no is because Centers of that quality are incredibly hard to find and that young it's hard.

18 Apr 2018 19:47:59
Lol Colt figure it out bud.

19 Apr 2018 00:09:36
I don’t think it’s so cut and dry that Edmonton takes it and runs like colt says, but I don’t think it’s so easy to say no too either. Draisaitl is really good, so are both those players. And definitely being the centre gives him the bonus in value over Aho being a winger, but RH puck moving D (Faulk) is close if not as hard to find as a centre. Also, draisatls contract is big. That could be a mistake when looking back unless he continues to get better. There’s a lot of players better, as good, or very very close locked up to long term deals considerably cheaper than his.

19 Apr 2018 04:43:57
I'd say oilers add something but pretty good. Good post.

17 Apr 2018 01:30:29
Buffalo: Sam Rienhart and Alex Nylander

Carolina: Noah Hanifin and Elias Lindholm

Buffalo: gets a future top pairing dman to compliment Risto and a sevicable replacement for Rienhart in Lindholm.

Carolina: They have a surplus of defenders and can afford to let one go for s potential 1 c. Also Carolina fans are not high on Hanfin due to his defensive faults.

PS: I believe if Carolina trades a dman it'll be faulk or Hanfin. Slavin and Pesce definitely won't be traded

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17 Apr 2018 05:37:45
Take out lindholm and they might think about it nylander look like a bust.

17 Apr 2018 06:52:54
How does he look like a bust?

17 Apr 2018 06:53:19
But I’d say no from Carolina for sure.

17 Apr 2018 11:15:58
That statement is silly Nylander isn’t even 20 years old. Also why would Carolina decline They need a Forward help desperately and Hanfin is 4th on their depth chart.

17 Apr 2018 15:20:33
Think it’s a bit much from Carolina, I’m a fan of Reinhart but I think if Carolina is going to trade hanafin they’re going to want a center that’s more proven, more of a sure thing top center which I don’t know if Reinhart will be that. He may be a better 2nd line center. But yes he’s still young and could be a top center but again he COULD be. That’s too much risk to give away hanafin for. Also whoever said nylander is a bust is crazy, he’s too young to be labelled a bust.

17 Apr 2018 18:48:05
The chances of Rienhart being a 1st line C Is the same as Hanfin being a top pairing dman.

17 Apr 2018 18:55:06
His turn 21 in 2 weeks lol and his ahl stats are pretty shitty.

17 Apr 2018 11:43:28
Lol Buffalo adds.

19 Apr 2018 04:44:17
No from Carolina.

19 Apr 2018 16:29:38
Brock, he turned 20 last month. Not knowing everyone’s birthday is fine, but don’t make up a fake birthday to support your point lol.

16 Apr 2018 21:08:34
Canucks loui erikson goldobin joulevi hutton 3 rd pick

Coyotes GOLIGOSKI dylan strome domi


If the win dahlin

Domi horvat boeser
Petterson dahlen virtanen
strome gaudette hayden
Grunlund chapu archabold

Dahlin seabrooks
Edler tanev
Pouilot guddy

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16 Apr 2018 21:58:14
Which dimension of hell did Seabrook pop out from?

And, just no to the trade, like what the f***.

16 Apr 2018 22:23:54
The strome probably be a avg 2 line good 3 liner joulevi has more vaule it fits there needs more.

17 Apr 2018 00:44:08
He posted one below which I think explains seabrook in his imaginary world.

17 Apr 2018 01:23:53
Send me the number of your dealer because you got some dank stuff clearly if you think this is a good trade 😂 oh my.

17 Apr 2018 01:58:31
I think it’s from his trade below topshelf. I guess we have to follow all his posts as he builds his dream team.

16 Apr 2018 20:36:45
Canuck sutter stecher sven

Blackhawks seabrooks john hayden 1 rd pick

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16 Apr 2018 22:53:01
1st round pick? prob not. maybe 2nd.

16 Apr 2018 23:47:00
Sven has more vaulue then hayden stecher could get a 2 sutter could get a 2 with out taking on one of the worst nhl contracts.

15 Apr 2018 15:20:06
Toronto: Connor Brown, Timothy Liljegren, Matt Martin, Nikita Ziatsev and 1st 2018

Montreal: Shea Weber*, Micheal Mccaron, Jordie Benn and 2nd 2019

* 1 million retaind on contract ( 6.8 million cap hit.

Toronto: the leafs desperately need a top 2 Elite dman and Weber is that. His skating may not be as good as it once was but paired with Morgan Rielly he would excel. He is excellent in both ends of the ice and he will be able to log top minutes ( 25 min ) for a few more seasons atleast. While his contract may be considered toxic as the cap rises it'll look better. Leafs also rid them selves of Martins contract.

Montreal: the Canadian are not a contender Weber will never win a cup in Montreal. The Canadians need to retool. They bring back a young top 6 player in Brown, An A level prospect, a Replacement for Weber and a 1st to contribute to their rebuild.

** Before Weber was injured he was on pace for 50 points while playing a great two way game.

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15 Apr 2018 15:25:09
Pretty easy no from the Leafs.

15 Apr 2018 16:48:37
vbbb: if you're a Leafs fan, why would you sabotage your own team with such a garbage deal?

15 Apr 2018 16:30:00
Pretty easy no from the habs.

15 Apr 2018 17:05:32
Habby get a brain bud, Montreal accepts that so fast.

15 Apr 2018 17:26:53
Sabatoge our team? Weber would help the leafs out tremendously a top 10 dman in the nhl with no corner stone pieces going the other way.

15 Apr 2018 18:00:42
Eek that's bad for Toronto, want nothing to do with Webers declining play and huge contract.

15 Apr 2018 18:14:07
Weber is sick, that contract is terrible. No way I would give up cost controlled assets like brown (3 years 2.1mill) zaitsev (6 x 4.5) and liljegren on an ELC plus a first for it. Martin and marincin have no value but neither does anything else coming back besides Weber other than the 2nd obviously. Easentially it’s those 3 players and a 1st for Weber and a second and I wouldn't touch it.

15 Apr 2018 23:53:28
I don't see where there is anything coming back the habs way to make it worthwhile. sure liligren might still turn into to something decent down the road. but that's about it. The late 1st has some value but the habs have enough bottom 6 forwards like brown and martin. And zaitsevs contract looks worse and worse every game he plays no chance in hell habs accept this for a top pair dman.

16 Apr 2018 00:50:08
Habby I think you underrate Brown he’s a cost controlled top 6 winger he’s still young and has potential to be Mike Hoffman esq. Zaitsev has had the highest TOI in both playoff games so far he’s a top 4 dman in at a cheap price. He’ll never wow you but he does the little things right and he has a hard shot.

16 Apr 2018 03:08:41
Brown with potential for Hoffman lmao.

16 Apr 2018 03:37:52
Mc jesus christ u are just a hab hater and always had been this is more than fair Weber is top 10 for sure in the world Matt Martin is dump low 1st and zaitsev looks like he isn't worth that contract and we don't need him we have petry and connor brown is good not going to lie there but he have so many wingers why add more lilijgren is good Hanzal got a 1st second and 4th for a rental and much worse player so anyone that is hella biased vs habs fan because they do it for fun should shut up and watch hockey.

16 Apr 2018 06:33:27
VBB, Brown is a good player and on a great contract, but is not a similar player to Hoffman in any way and will never be. He’s a middle six, very reliable defensive player with some offensive upside, not a sniper lol

MTL4LIFE, how is this, in any way, comparable to the Martin Hanzal trade? Lol has to be the dumbest comparison to bring up. Ones a centre, ones a Dman. One was at the trade deadline, one would be offseason. One was a rental in an expiring contract, one has a big cap hit for like 8 or 9 more years taking till he’s 41+. Get a clue rather than just calling people haters because you have no info or sense.

16 Apr 2018 07:09:07
As much as I like Weber, I think this would be a bad move for Toronto. Any realistic leaf fan should know that Toronto is a couple solid defenseman away from being a contender. Liljegren could be one of them. I don’t know why leaf fans are so quick to trade away a RH defenseman that was expected to go 3rd overall before dropping because of an off season. I think the leafs success the past couple years is making people want to rush the rebuild. Their core is still so young, there is no need to take on a big contract like Weber’s.

16 Apr 2018 07:39:28
Hahaha ya what is that comparison what? And I’m not being a hater at all I’m being logical bud.

16 Apr 2018 09:40:30
That's ok to say vbbbvvbb and I can't predict whether he will be or not. But I do know he's had a decent amount of time playing in a top six role with a pretty good offensive team in toronto and he had 30 something points last year and 28 this year I think. if I came on here and said charles hudon has the potential to be a mike Hoffman I'd be crucified lol. Like I said earlier habs have enough of those players hudon. Daneult byron just to name 3 who are at least just as good and IMO better then brown. Liligren still has the potential to be a top 4 dman but he really didn't show me much this year I give him a pass though considering it was his first year in North America and I assume he will be better next year. the first is a late one and zaitsev is a 3rd pair dman getting paid2nd pair money. Liligren and the first would be all I would even want and you know as we'll as I do that don't get you a top pair dman.

16 Apr 2018 12:27:40
Unbiased Jim I’m not saying brown is a 1 dimensional sniper I’m saying he can put up Hoffman like numbers if he reaches his full potential 25 Goals 30 Assists isn’t unreasonable.

16 Apr 2018 16:12:54
@habby, brown doesn’t play top 6. He started the season on the 4th line and has been on the 3rd line since then (bozak a and doesn’t play on the PP. he’s a great 3rd line player that could be moved up if needed.

16 Apr 2018 16:29:13
He has spent just as much time as the 3 habs players I've mentioned playing a top 6 role. He played over 16 mins a game last year and 15 mins a game this year. His numbers doesn't suggest he will be anything more then a bottom 6 winger and habs have no need for that. Weber is still a top pair dman sure there is always concern after a player has season ending surgery but nobody in montreal seems to be too concerned about him coming back and being just as good as he was last year. habs have lots of cap space and the cap is going up so there is absolutely no need to make this trade unless the goal is to get another lottery pick next year.

16 Apr 2018 17:38:38
how is it because Weber isn't a rental he's a #1D and also had much more value than hanzal why would we trade someone 1000000 times better for that and take dead cap and hanzal is a #3 center.

16 Apr 2018 18:45:02
My thoughts were there goal is to/ should be to get a lottery pick.

16 Apr 2018 20:26:22
That’s fine if you don’t want him as a player or like him. I’m just saying you claimed he has had lots of top six minutes with good players, and that’s not true. Matthews Nylander and hyman are the number 1 line and have been for 2 years. Kadri with marner and marleau is the second line and brown started with Dominic Moore and Matt Martin and now is with bozak and JVR since. That’s third line. I’m not saying they’re bad players, but bozak does not create chances like Matthews and Kadri do, and JVR is a finisher, not much else. So implying that brown got to ride shotgun with top players is not true. You don’t have to like the trade but don’t make things up to put down the guy you don’t want back lol.

16 Apr 2018 23:44:45
All I was trying to say is the habs have a enough players like connor brown don't need another.

14 Apr 2018 00:30:01
Would this be legal

Blackhawks toew kane

Canucks 7 rd pick

Canucks toews kane retain 2.5 each for 3 years

Blackhawks 1 rd pick ?

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14 Apr 2018 07:20:32
No. If you retain money on a players salary it is for entire contract.

And let me get this right, Did you just try to trade a 7th for two players. Then turn around and try to trade them back to that same team for a 1st but retain salary for only 3 years? W. T. F. 😳😳😳😳

You think the Blackhawks would trade a 1sr round draft pick for $5M in cap space for 3 years. You really are some kind of special.

14 Apr 2018 08:47:24
Also just from a owner view that's 15 million dollas for a player of 30 percent of having a nhl career so yeah.

14 Apr 2018 13:37:19
A. You can not retain salaries for a portion of the contract.
B. The Canucks can not leagally take on 21 million dollars
C. This is a huge violation of the CBA
D. Johnathan Towes and Patrick Kane for a 7th round pick? Really

My mind is blown this is ridiculous.

14 Apr 2018 13:49:18
Hopefully this is a troll. Please Brock, just admit your trolling. I mean, like there's no other explanation.

14 Apr 2018 16:16:52
Wow . I'm not even sure what I just read.?

14 Apr 2018 17:26:42
Hahaha this is good.

14 Apr 2018 17:36:38
Every time i think we have hit rock bottom, someone comes along and says “you think that’s Rock bottom? Read this! ”.

14 Apr 2018 00:18:24
Canucks trade: tanev, Baertschi, Goldobin, 4th round pick 2019

Wild trade: dumba, 1st round pick 2019

Would this be possible?

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14 Apr 2018 07:16:05
Hahahahahahaha. Watch two Minny Winnipeg playoff games and see that Dumba is stepping up huge while Suter is out so you want to trade for him. And you want them to add their 1st. Lmao. You're so delusional.

14 Apr 2018 08:11:42
Are you really trying to chirp me hahahaha. You must be a pretty sweet dude.

14 Apr 2018 10:34:16
Sorry, This is not possible.

14 Apr 2018 12:25:29
Bentley = Brock?

Posts are just as bad and homerish.

14 Apr 2018 12:56:56
Was thinking the exact same thing. I actually thought it was Brock. I wrote my first reply thinking it was him.

14 Apr 2018 16:19:32
Is it a coincidence that once Golden Showers was gone, all these other " characters" came outta the wood work. ?

14 Apr 2018 17:38:25
If Bentley isn’t Brock, they could be best friends lol.

14 Apr 2018 21:09:29
You forgot to add staal and Granlund from Minnesota that’s the only way this awesome trade would get Vancouver’s attention!

16 Apr 2018 20:23:36
Doesnt really fit min soda need or canucks maybe tanev gaudette sven
Gaudette did get any point with canucks but look really set up a lot of scoring chances they need a center.

13 Apr 2018 03:04:50
Flyers have cap space for 2018-19 and potentially need a third line centre until prospects can come up. They also need another RHD prospect and scoring winger prospects and have an abundance of LHD players and prospects (Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, Provorov, Gostisbehere).

Dallas desperately needs secondary scoring from resilient (non-injury prone) players.

Ottawa needs prospects - lots of them.

Trade 1:
DAL: Simmonds ($3.975MM NTC until 2019)
PHI: 2018 1st (13th overall), 2018 2nd, 2018 CHI 4th, Jason Spezza ($7.5MM until 2019 M-NTC/NMC) (cap dump)
Simmonds accepts because he'll want a new deal in a state tax free jurisdiction and Dallas has cap space. Spezza accepts because the Flyers are in the playoffs this year and present a better opportunity to win next year)

Trade 2:
PHI: 2018 1st (2nd overall)
OTT: STL 2018 1st (14th overall), PHI 2018 (19th overall), Sam Morin, Mike Vecchione
(Morin is NHL ready and would've been on the roster but for Travis Sanheim, Dave Hakstol, and 2 injuries. Vecchione is NHL ready with a 3C ceiling)

Flyers draft:
2nd overall: Andrei Svechnikov or Brady Tkachuk
13th overall: Bode Wilde, Ryan Merkeley, or Grigori Denisenko

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13 Apr 2018 05:55:22
haven't gostisbehere and provorov played the last 2-3 seasons?

13 Apr 2018 06:30:40
Tkatchuk 2nd overall yikes man better options! But fits their org mold for sure. Also for sure not trading Vecchione, guy chose to sign there they won’t trade him.

13 Apr 2018 12:26:54
Dallas won’t trade that pick as they are hosting the draft. And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall.

13 Apr 2018 15:55:40
PKane88: yes, Provorov has been playing for 2 years and Ghost for 3 years. That's why I said players and prospects.

McJesus: I've seen Tkachuk as high as second but on average 4th overall. I haven't seen Tkachuk, Svechnikov etc play so I trust draft boards. The only consensus I've seen in this draft is Dahlin = 1st overall.

I'll disagree on Vecchione. He signed before last year's draft lottery and Nolan Patrick occupying a spot in the lineup. I think Hextall sees Vorobyev as higher than Vecchione. As a more mature college player, his upside is lower but entry to the NHL quicker than a draft pick or Voro. It'd be a favour to Vecchione to get him playing NHL minutes.

vbbbvvbb: they'd be more reluctant to trade it for sure but it's not out of the question. Getting Simmonds and making a splash in free agency (Tavares? Kane? ) would offset any PR backlash by trading a pick. It's a consideration but I couldn't see them keeping it when it would make sense for them to trade it given the right deal.

PS I could also see this type of trade (trading for 2-5 overall) working with other teams that need prospect depth vice top line quality. I could see Ottawa and Arizona looking to trade down for additional 1st round picks. Philadelphia has tremendous depth but need top line quality. New York is looking to trade up as well.
Just my thoughts.

13 Apr 2018 16:04:42
vbbbvvbb: "And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall" I think it's plenty to move up. This draft is not 2015. It's not enough to get Dahlin but 14th, 19th, Morin, and Vecchione is definitely a solid offer.

Morin is NHL ready and is an immediate improvement to their bottom pair, if not their 4 spot. Although the fact that he's a former 1st rounder is irrelevant, he was drafted as a project with a later NHL entry date. He'd be on the Flyers now if not for aforementioned reasons.

Vecchione will never be a top 6 forward but is a good NHL prospect that is NHL ready. Many Flyers fans argue he should've been on the roster this year but blame Hakstol's infatuation with slow, aging veterans.

This is for 2nd overall, not Jack Eichel 2nd overall. 14th and 19th are quality picks and 2-5 overall doesn't guarantee a game changing player ie Dylan Strome. The value is there.

13 Apr 2018 17:15:10
Imo you overrate Morin. Even with Sanhiem who is much better/ Valuable I doubt the other team would accept.

13 Apr 2018 17:31:50
Frankly, I don't think you know enough about Morin or Sanheim to make that determination. Sure, Sanheim definitely has a higher ceiling.
It was a toss-up as to who would stay with the team after training camp. Both had great camps and if we didn't have so many young defencemen, both would have made it. Morin also would've drawn into the lineup this year after AMac's injury and Gudas' suspension but Morin got hurt. He was snakebitten this year but was certainly meritorous.

2 mid firsts, Morin, and Vecchione is a solid offer that suits the needs of both parties, not a lopsided homer proposal. I'd hate to give up Morin and those picks, but quality is the cost of quality.

13 Apr 2018 20:43:42
I just think you underestimate the value of the 2nd overall pick no it’s not in the same Catagory as Dahlin but the team trading the pick would need to be an offensive loaded team in desperate need of defence and is no where near contention. So possibly Buffalo is really the only choice the asking price would start with Provornov straight up or Ghost++. Regardless top 5 picks don’t get traded.

13 Apr 2018 21:15:04
Ottawa aren't trading that pick
Dream on and enjoy the series.

13 Apr 2018 23:55:20
vbbb: I think you overestimate the 2nd overall pick. These are highly talented yet unproven players. Again, please stop acting like mid-first round picks are worthless. The two leading contenders for the Calder Trophy (Barzal and McAvoy) were taken in the teens. The quality is there. I can name a bunch of recent Top 5 picks that have underwhelmed (Reinharts, Yakupov, E Lindholm, Bennett, Dal Colle, D Strome, Juolevi) .

For teams looking for a complete rebuild that who miss out on Dahlin, getting two picks in the teens and a solid prospect is worthwhile. One can argue that Ottawa and Arizona need prospect depth and should sacrifice quality for less quality but quantity. All of those top teams need a Dahlin, but there's a distinct difference between 1 and 2. It's a reasonable strategy. The teams that could trade that pick suck overall and could use any player, but the logic is that two players are better than one and quality picks occur in the teens.

Any team would love to have Dahlin, but the Flyers are one of the last teams that need him given their quality and youth on defence.

13 Apr 2018 23:57:59
Keyhabs: I'm a cynic by nature so I'll assume the "enjoy the series" remark was directed at the Flyers playing Spearing Sidney and the Cowardly Pengwhines. If so, stones and glass houses and such. Enjoy the offseason with Bergevin with a cancerous Weber contract, no starting centre, a thin prospect pool, and a listless captain leading to a decade of mediocrity.

14 Apr 2018 01:05:13
Arizona does not need depth they’re pretty loaded could use another dman and Center. Ottawa has good depth at all positions imo. Neither team is looking to trade that pick only team that could potentially is Edmonton and they’re searching for a different package. Maybe Simmonds and Ghost for Tkachuk? That’s what I’d ask for if I were Edmonton. A potential gritty presence that’s will likely put up 30-40-70 seasons considering he’s more hyped then his bro who is already a Cornerstone piece.

14 Apr 2018 03:46:04
Just took a quick overview of Zthe sens prospect pool there C depth is very solid but they do need a stud dman. So I think a Provornov-Svechnikov/ Tkachuk swap would be fair.

14 Apr 2018 16:48:25
vbbb: Arizona has lots of top prospects (if you consider Dylan Strome to still be a top prospect) but little depth. Ottawa does not have a strong prospect pool. In fact, the Hockey Writers ranked them 27/ 31 at the start of this season. The Senators need depth; they need everything. I suggested Arizona and Ottawa because several pundits (I can't find the article) suggested that they consider trading down. Dorion very recently ruled it out.

You completely underestimate Ghost and Provorov. Provorov is a #1 defenceman at 21 years old and was tied for the most goals among defencemen in the league this year. Ghost finished with 65 points, 3 off the lead for defencemen. Their analytics numbers were through the roof; they didn't get much credit because they were only paired together the last 3 third of the season.

It's hilarious that you think Simmonds+Ghost = Tkachuk. I'd take Ghost over Matthew Tkachuk right now. Provorov for Tkachuk is an even bigger joke.

You're clueless.

14 Apr 2018 18:26:27
Ghost is 1 dimensional I’ll take Mathew Tkachuk over him any day. Obviously Provornov is amazing and almost any team besides Carolina/ Nashville/ Calargry would take Provornov over Brady Tkachuk both will be elite. But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to.

14 Apr 2018 19:51:08
Ghost is far from 1 dimensional. He's been a very complete defenceman this year and managed to rack up 65 points. 65 points! Again, you're clueless. Any team would take Provorov, proven at the NHL level, over a talented yet ultimately unproven entity in Brady Tkachuk. Furthermore, Provorov is a better defenceman than Matthew Tkachuk is a forward.

"But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to" Again, this assumes that the top 5 pick is a surefire NHL star, which it's not. Hello Dylan Strome, Nail Yakupov etc. 14th and 19th overall gives you two quality players.

14 Apr 2018 20:30:57
I believe Brady Tkachuk>>Mathew Tkachuk and I’m sure anyone who’s seen both play would agree. Ghost is a younger Kevin Shattenkurk. I don’t claim to be a Flyers fan but from what I’ve seen his minutes are sheltered. Again I don’t watch majority of his games. I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot. Also you’re talking like 14th and 19th overall are going to play in the NHL. They both have potential to be stars but they’re far more likely to bust while the 2nd overall pick is almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. I’m not denying in what you stated Provornov>Tkachuk and I’m not saying flyers should accept it but that’s what it’d take.

14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

14 Apr 2018 23:46:09
vbbb: you admittedly know very little about the Flyers then talk about how Ghost's minutes are sheltered from what you've seen. To correct you yet again, host plays on the top pair with Provorov and goes against the other team's best lines. The only favourable minutes he gets is on the power play. Ghost was a younger Kevin Shattenkirk when he first entered the league, but not know. Catch up. You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself.

"I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot" this implies, but it's not explicitly stated, that Ghost is a RHD. He's not, he plays RD but is left handed. Again, you're clueless.

The second overall pick is not almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. Again, Yakupov, Murray, Strome etc. And I don't talk as though mid-firsts are guaranteed to be NHL players; you fail to recognize the fact that there are two mid-firsts. Teams wanting to hedge their bets and get two quality players can trade down vice taking the chance to get one very skilled player but it turn out to be a Yakupov.

14 Apr 2018 23:52:15
"Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason! " No sh*t Sherlock, but it makes it way more difficult to propose a trade with %7.5 chance of the 3rd overall pick etc. It would be impossible to propose a trade otherwise so we assume the draft lottery plays out like the percentages indicate.

As to your last paragraph, I base mine off the value of draft picks by Scott Cullen at TSN and Stats Sports Consulting. My proposed trade of PHI-OTT is below:

2nd overall: 7.79

14th overall: 5.25
19th overall: 4.44

Even without Morin and Vecchione, it's technically overpayment.

2nd overall: 871

14th overall: 456
19th overall: 364

Morin and Vecchione certainly bridge the 51 point gap.

"Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents"

Who has the messed up thoughts? You're clueless.

15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

15 Apr 2018 16:39:31
If you’re offered to Role the dice between- Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Murray, Alexander Barkov, Sam Rienhart, Jack Eichel, Patrick Liane and Nolan Patrick or a package of Ghost and Simmonds. I’m rolling the dice especially considering Svechnikov is much more Hyped then Rienhart, Murray and probably Patrick.

15 Apr 2018 16:54:56
Firstly, I doubt Svechnikov is more hyped than Reinhart, Murray, and Patrick. There's a recency effect at play; we only remember Reinhart now that he's underwhelmed rather than remembering his pre-draft hype.

Secondly, I didn't propose Simmonds and Ghost for X player. However, Ghost is better than at least half of your list and that doesn't include Simmonds.

15 Apr 2018 16:59:20

Your Ottawa trade is massive overpayment by the Islanders. Do me a favour and post that in its own thread.

Where did you come up with those numbers in the start of your post? ie the 30-35%, 50-65%, and 70-85% chance? Let me guess - these are your own messed up thoughts.

"This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider. "

This is the most idiotic statement I've read on here in a while and is not at all what I suggested. I proposed trading draft picks, not NHL players. There's a massive difference between trading upcoming draft picks and real NHL players, especially veterans like the ones you cited. No sane person proposes trades of veteran players based on their draft position. Give your head a shake.

15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:37
I’ll definitely take Landeskog, Seguin, Eichel, Liane and Barkov over Ghost. I’ll even roll the dice on Patrick watching him play I think he has tremendous potential.


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