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02 Feb 2024 13:01:14
New York Rangers:
- RW Kaapo Kakko ($2,100,000 pending RFA)


Detroit Red Wings:
- C/LW Robby Fabbri ($4,000,000 until 2025)
- Conditional 2024 3rd round pick (becomes 2024 2nd round pick if Detroit make the playoffs)

Drury is listening to offers for Kakko, and with Filip Chytil out for the remainder of the season, NYR will need more stability in their center depth as they push for playoffs.

Fabbri is a versatile forward that can be used at center or on the wing and can be used in a top 6/top 9 role and has another year of term on his contract after this season.

NYR have no picks in the 3rd round this year, at worst they gain a pick in the 3rd round and at best they potentially make playoffs this season with a 1st and two 2nds in the upcoming draft.

As Kakko is a former 2nd overall pick that hasn't quite performed up to the expectations that came with how high he was drafted.

I'm not quite sure what his trade value would look like at this point but I tried to look at what NYR's needs are at the moment as well as the opportunity here for Detroit to gain younger talent in the locker room while they continue to trend towards being a future contender in the next few years.

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02 Feb 2024 13:36:49
- I think this is a clever, under-the-radar kind of trade.

- It will be very interesting to see what Kakko's eventual trade value is. A trade might be just the thing to turn his career around.

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02 Feb 2024 14:14:24
I guessing depends on what NY is looking fore in return. Fabbri is, above all else, a sniper/ finisher. He has an accurate wrister with a quick release. His other attributes are OK, but nothing special.

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06 Feb 2024 13:09:07
Just looking back at some recent high draft flops like Glass, Patrick, Puuljarvi Juolevi etc, I would think that the price is too high for Kaako, considering that Fabbri is the better player.

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02 Feb 2024 11:24:09
PlayStation mode

Mtl - gallagher-allen 50 retain

EDM - Campbell

But to make it work, nashville is included in the trade

They retain 50% on both Gallagher and Campbell

For that, they receive

EDM 1st and Broberg
Mtl 2nd (Colorado) and Barron

So when Habs buy out cambpell at the end of season and EDM buyout Gally after the playoffs run or maybe the next year, Nsh absorb half of the deadcap. Make it very affordable for the 3 teams.

EDM get 2 usefully depth player and cap space

Mtl get cap space, resolve issues with the 3 goaltender situation and send Gallagher to his hometown, Cup contender.

Nsh get very interesting assets

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02 Feb 2024 12:15:02
- MTL & NSH decline.

- NSH can only retain on one more salary, so they couldn't participate fully as described in this transaction.

- the next 4 years NSH has some "Minnesota-esque" cap penalties for contract buyouts & retained salary:

. 2024-25: 11.8M
. 2025-26: 8.8M
. 2026-27: 3.55M
. 2027-28: 3.55M.

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04 Feb 2024 17:51:26
Oilers decline.

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01 Feb 2024 21:54:14
Mtl trade with la kings
Mtl sends:
Monahan ,farrel and Norlinder
For
La: kalyev and turcotte

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02 Feb 2024 02:19:06
MTL respectfully declines.

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01 Feb 2024 15:20:14
If nyr wants money monahan its gonna cost similar package van paid for lindholm!
Mtl needs to start with
Mtl ; monahan
For
Nyr lafreniere
If refused , you ask kakko and a 1st!!

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01 Feb 2024 17:13:25
I'm not sold on Kakko or Lafreniere yet. I wonder if there could be better options out there.

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01 Feb 2024 19:27:51
Both sound like solid plansđź‘Ť.

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01 Feb 2024 20:57:14
Thats funny.

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01 Feb 2024 21:53:42
They gonna stick with laffy I think, this year, hes better and cost control for next year.

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01 Feb 2024 21:55:41
Post it like a week ago, Monahan and Pearson (maybe armia) half retain for kakko and a first, with what Lindholm fetch, I won't be surprised but Callum Ritchie seems interesting from ava too.

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02 Feb 2024 02:21:16
BFG: what is “ava”? (Not being smart, but I didn’t understand your post. )

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02 Feb 2024 11:07:21
Colorado*ava*avs sorry.

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02 Feb 2024 12:22:07
BFG: I'd do a trade for Ritchie for Monahan in some form or another in a heartbeat.

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02 Feb 2024 12:50:53
I would absolutely be thrilled if habs could get both lafreniere and Perrault!
I taught Perrault was the best player of the trio ( smith, Leonard,Perrault) to me he might end up being the steal of the draft! And imo lafreniere would thrive in mtl

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02 Feb 2024 13:12:58
I posted a Kakko to Detroit trade idea but as much as I'd like to see him go to Detroit, I see Kakko being a better fit in Montreal's future plans than Detroit.

Considering Montreal has an abundance of center depth to work from and are going to be shopping Monahan, I'd think Monahan and one of Montreal's two 3rd round picks would be fair (NYR dont have a 3rd round pick this season) . Monahan fits their need for a Chytil replacement and Kakko would make a great addition to a the future forward core with Suzuki, Dach, Caufield, and Slavkovsky.

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01 Feb 2024 14:41:22
Calgary Trades
Hanifin*
CTanev*

Toronto Trades
Brodie+
Liljegren
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
5th Round Pick 2025


*Flames retain 50% of both Hanifin and CTanev's expiring contracts.

+Brodie would have to waive his NTC to go to Calgary where his career started otherwise this proposal can't happen.


With The Flames trading ELindholm yesterday I believe there is more to happen now, it's no secret that Hanifin and CTanev's names are out there to be traded and my proposal might not be the best Calgary can possibly get but I believe it's a solid offer.

Everyone keeps saying Defence Defence when it comes to The Leafs well this proposal will do that adding 2 quality Defencemen in my proposal.


Thoughts ?

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01 Feb 2024 17:13:59
not a chance. much better offers out there with out holding back $$$.

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01 Feb 2024 17:21:44
Targeting defense is a good start!

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01 Feb 2024 19:27:46
balsam8
Please let us all know the better offers that you're claiming.

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01 Feb 2024 19:30:29
CGY respectfully declines, and will get better offers from some of the contenders who are going for it this season like VCR.

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02 Feb 2024 13:36:31
Tanev and Hanafin can both bring back better returns in separate trades. Tinkering with that proposal from Toronto I'd suggest:

Chris Tanev for

Brodie *with M-NTC being waived
Minton (WHL)
2024 1st round pick
Conditional 2024 5th round pick (becomes a 2025 3rd round pick if Toronto makes the conference finals)

But even then, this isn't Toronto's year with the questionable goaltending and lack of scoring depth. They'd be better off holding onto their 1st rounder this year and restructuring this team to be a cup contender in 2025-26.

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02 Feb 2024 15:24:23
It's not the worst offer; I think we'd be sending probably a pick or two more. I think the Flames do likely fetch a better return if dealt separately (they get more in total from seperate deals) . Like the idea of adding either of them though, especially if we can hold onto Lily in the process.

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31 Jan 2024 17:51:47
EDM - Campbell, Bourgault, 2024 1st

MON - Anderson (1.5M retained)

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31 Jan 2024 20:28:32
Oil lose 150k cap space and Montreal gain 150k with Campbell in the minors.
Oil get Anderson probably 1M overpriced but get a good RW to try up and down the lineup.
Montreal could use some more picks and prospects to speed there rebuild along.

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01 Feb 2024 03:58:15
MTL declines.

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01 Feb 2024 17:25:34
I respect your opinion Chickenfoot but I think we’re both bias towards our teams so I’m curious about anyone else’s opinion.
Montreal get a 1st and an okay French Canadian prospect for downgrading from Anderson to Campbell while not taking on any cap or term.

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01 Feb 2024 19:39:56
EBS: I’m not biased for saying I don’t want to trade Anderson. I like the player and I don’t view him as a cap dump. I just don’t want to move him, so that’s not bias.

I respect you don’t like the player and/ or see him as a cap dump. I’m 100% okay with that👍

If the deal was for another player that I saw as a cap dump I think the deal you’ve proposed would be a good framework to consider. Losing Anderson and gaining Campbell is a complete no-go for me. We just see things differently, and that’s okay, but it’s not bias.

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04 Feb 2024 17:51:23
Anderson, though overpaid, is someone you'd want to have on a young team. He'll be 32 when the team will likely be competing in the playoffs again. They don't really need the cap relief either. Only way I see him being moved is if he asks to get traded for a chance at a cup.

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04 Feb 2024 17:54:49
Has the start of something but. mtl already has too many tenders.
More pieces needed to be involved.

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31 Jan 2024 16:16:30
Edmonton.- Campbell,1ST& 2nd in 2024


Anaheim. - 2b defensive prospect in return.

Edmonton.- Edm. 6th & Preds 6th

Minnesota - Maroon & Bogosian

Montreal - Monahan

Edmonton - Lavoie & 5th 2024

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30 Jan 2024 17:40:03
mtl- harris-allen 50% retain

LA- kaliev-grundstrom(cap space)

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31 Jan 2024 15:44:41
MTL respectfully declines.

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30 Jan 2024 16:06:48
NSH : Joakim Kemell
MTL : Josh Anderson

Nashville has plenty of cap space and their top 9 winger position lacks depth and scoring. They get a hard playing, speedy, scoring winger who plays on the PK, can play of the PP and who's underperforming on a team with abysmal offense, which skews his production. The last 3 years with MTL show that he probably is a 20+ goal scorer on a better team, looking at his scoring pace :

20-21 : 17G/52GP -> 26G/82GP
21-22 : 19G/69GP -> 22G/82GP
22-23 : 21G/69GP -> 24G/82GP

Kemell is a mid-1st round selection in 2022, he's 19 and showing good offensive prowess in the AHL.

Some would say that it's a steep price to pay by giving up a promising 19 year old but Anderson's play style fits perfectly Nashville's needs, especially come playoff time while potentially adding a good amount of scoring, energy and *intangibles* to their lineup

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30 Jan 2024 18:19:35
Don't see Nashville as a fit for Anderson. think they would rather have Kemell as he is a pretty good prospect.

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30 Jan 2024 18:42:14
No one is paying to take on a cap dump. It will cost at least a couple unprotected firsts to dump Anderson and return a bad contract.

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30 Jan 2024 19:25:43
You make a compelling case as usual Matador, kudos.

I'm inclined to keep Anderson, because he's a rare combination of size and speed. He terrorized the opposing D with his size and speed on the cup run a few years ago. Anyone whose ever played the game can appreciate Anderson and what he brings.

Nonetheless, you're a thought-provoking read as usual. Cheers man.

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31 Jan 2024 03:28:34
« It will cost at least a couple unprotected firsts to dump Anderson and return a bad contract. »

What a bad take.

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31 Jan 2024 14:00:25
Actually not matador. I know a lot of fans in Montreal don't like to admit it, but Anderson is one of the 2 or 3 worst contracts in the league.

A pure, unadulterated cap dump. You can tell by all the exaggerating that you had to do to his stats above just to make him sound barely passable as a bottom sixer and adding the BS "intangibles" crap.

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31 Jan 2024 14:09:33
The same reason Montreal fans want to dump Anderson, he's massively overpaid for what he brings, is the same reasons no other team wants him.

You can't pay the 12th/ 13th forward on your team top 6 money for another 3 1/ 2 years.

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31 Jan 2024 15:39:30
Anderson is absolutely overpaid I don’t think any team takes him at his caphit that’s currently in a playoff spot. With that being said a team near the bottom of the standings would probably take him on for free. Maybe San Jose. Kemell for him is laughable. But no it wouldn’t take multiple 1sts to dump him and I don’t think he’s a top 5 worst contract. Just a 3rd liner being paid as a 2nd liner.

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31 Jan 2024 15:56:16
- it's been established that it would cost a 1st and a 3rd to move Jack Campbell, who isn't even an NHL player at this point.

- how can it possibly cost a "couple of unprotected 1st round picks" to move 3 more years of Josh Anderson's 5.5M contract?

- Anderson's contract represents 6.75% of his team's salary cap. Next year it represents 6.28%. To suggest trading 2 unprotected firsts is an absolutely hysterical over-reaction, especially since MTL probably won't come close to using all the LTIR space available to them for the life of Anderson's contract.

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31 Jan 2024 16:17:10
I would contend Chickenfoot, that Edmonton fans "hope and dream" it would only cost a first to dump Campbell. Reality is, no one is taking him if that is all they get. The exception being a team that decides to tank.

Instead of using a guess of what it takes to moves player, why not use an actual transaction?

Montreal has a perfect one. Calgary needed to pay a first to dump one year and $6.4 mil of Monahan. Why would dumping over 3 years of Anderson and over $16.5 mil of cap not cost more than a 1st?

To suggest any team is going to handcuff themselves with Anderson's contract because of "intangibles" for less is utter fantasy.

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31 Jan 2024 17:50:31
Yeah actually agree Campbell will cost more than a 1st and 3rd if it’s a straight cap dump and not taking a bad contract back.

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31 Jan 2024 18:09:26
MEMARCUS:

- I referenced a 1st and a 3rd, which has been widely reported. (You just mentioned the 1st above, so I just wanted to correct that. )

- If I'm MTL I'd take a 1st and a 3rd to take on that contract, especially if the 1st is a 2025 instead of a 2024. (MTL isn't close to contending, and has tonnes of LTIR space, especially after they move some of their UFA's. ) MTL could easily bury Campbell's contract in their system without needing to buy it out, so you bet I'd take the Campbell contract for a 1st & 3rd.

- regarding Anderson, I wouldn't want to move him, and I pointed out why I thought your suggestion to move him for "2 unprotected firsts" was a hysterical over-reaction. I respect you don't like the player, but two firsts? That's a big price to pay to solve a cap issue that doesn't exist.

- MTL isn't and won't be in a cap crunch during the life of Anderson's contract. CGY was desperate to offload Monahan so they could add to what they felt was a contending lineup at the time. MTL isn't a contender, and faces no such cap pressure. Why trade two firsts to solve a problem that doesn't exist?

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31 Jan 2024 18:59:19
Chickenfoot,

Yeah, I realized after I posted that I forgot the 3rd, but I was thinking 1st & 3rd when I wrote it.

I agreed that yes a tanking, or team that is not trying to compete might take on Campbell, even at a 1st & 3rd.

I can understand that Montreal isn't in a cap crunch and doesn't need to move Anderson, I agree keeping him is the smartest play. I wrote my response in context to the proposal from matador. No one it's paying assets to take on Anderson without either an equal bad contract going back or max retention. He absolutely is a negative value player.

So, having to pay a couple firsts to dump Anderson's full value contract isn't out of line with historic comparables like Monahan and Marleau.

Montreal's best bet would be to keep Anderson until he is a pending UFA and try and move him at that TDL with max retention. That may net a modest return depending on how Anderson is playing.

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01 Feb 2024 02:54:28
I respectfully disagree that Anderson is a negative value player. I think it’s safe to say we see the game very differently. I neither see the player nor his contract as burdensome in any way.

I’ll also add that for a player that’s been getting negative attention on here lately he sure seems to be getting in a lot of trade scenarios.

As for the Monahan & Marleau comparability, I just don’t see it. Both CGY & the leafs made those trades after mismanaging their cap situation. There is absolutely no comparison to be made with Anderson or the Habs.

Last but not least, you can be MTL is receiving calls on Anderson, but they’re not shopping him. He was outstanding in the Habs cup run. NJ was in on him not long ago too.

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01 Feb 2024 12:15:52
« The same reason Montreal fans want to dump Anderson, he's massively overpaid for what he brings, is the same reasons no other team wants him. »

No, the reason MTL fans wish for him to be traded is to get more assets for their rebuild, the same way they want Monahan traded. Also, I don’t know what MTL games you’ve watched but to claim that Anderson’s a 12/13th forward is rich. There is a market for him, his value is not negative (MTL reportedly got offered a 1st last season), GMs like his play style although he is overpaid. It looks like Hughes is getting calls on him but not biting. Tell me you’ve never watched a player play without telling me

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01 Feb 2024 12:16:23
Or that you’re just biaised because you hate the player for some time bscure reason

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01 Feb 2024 13:23:51
We'll have to agree to disagree Chickenfoot. The only trade scenarios you see on here and other sites involving Anderson are always Montreal fans trying to push Anderson on another team. It's been years since I've seen any opposing team ask for Anderson.

I did say that I agree that since Montreal isn't worried about cap space, they aren't under any pressure to move him. I'm just saying if they did decide to move Anderson, they are dealing with a negative value asset.

Respectfully, he's an average bottom 6 player being paid top 6 money. That doesn't hold positive value to anyone. I haven't seen any credible report from anyone other than Montreal writers about anyone wanting Anderson, so I think that's just Hughes trying to create a market where there isn't one.

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01 Feb 2024 13:37:16
I have enjoyed the discussion though Chickenfoot.

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02 Feb 2024 12:26:03
MEMARCUS: it's always a pleasure to talk hockey. Have a good Friday!

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29 Jan 2024 16:57:11
Carolina Trades
Bunting
Pesce
DeAngelo

Toronto Trades
Bertuzzi
Liljegren
Samsonov

Who says no in my proposal if at all ?



Thoughts ?

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29 Jan 2024 18:20:08
- Carolina says no.

- both teams need a Goalie, and still do after this trade.

- you’re not trading Samsonov without a sweetener. (Good for him in being recalled, but it’s still Samsonov. No team is lining up to take him. )

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30 Jan 2024 02:36:43
Chickenfoot
Samsonov in his career still has solid numbers, look it up if you don't believe me.
As for a sweetener taking Samsonov Toronto would be taking DeAngelo which is a headache all on it's own.
Once Woll gets back with MJones there including Hildeby in The AHL The Leafs don't have a goaltending problem, but Carolina sure does.

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30 Jan 2024 05:08:34
PINBALL: are we talking about the same Samsonov that is ranked:

- 82nd out of 91 ranked NHL goalies in save percentage?

- 69th of 91 goalies in Goals Against Average?

- He’s played 150 games in the league now, so hockey people know what he is, and what he isn’t. (That’s why he was sent to the AHL to work on his game and recently recalled. )

- everyone seems to agree the leafs need help on D and in net if they have realistic plans of being ready for the playoffs. I’m not breaking any news here, this is common knowledge wouldn’t you agree?

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30 Jan 2024 09:00:55
@chickenfoot nailed it

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30 Jan 2024 12:28:04
The positive with Samsonov though is he's a free agent come year end. What's Carolina's situation in net right now anyways? As for the trade I don't think it's a move either team makes tbh. Yes it addresses the backend for the Leafs, but if DeAngelo is the headache he has seemed to become and like you have pointed out is it worth adding him to the team for the back half of the season? I personally don't think so. Bunting is what he is, I'd rather see us finish out the year with our top 9 and see what happens come playoffs. I'd love for us to grab Pesce. He is the kind of player that would really bolster the defense; plays a good defensive game while still being mobile enough to make a play with the puck. If there's a deal to be made where we don't give up Lily to get him I'm all for it. But given Carolina's position in the standings I'm guessing they are more inclined to hold onto him for the season for a hopeful run in the playoffs and either get a deal done to retain him or let him go in the off-season.

Happy to see some trade ideas for defense though as that is the area the Leafs need to address.

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30 Jan 2024 14:11:39
GMs love players like Pesce. Right-handed dmen that eat lots of minutes and have stellar defensive play. Carolina doesn't get a whole lot for him alone, even with Liljegren who is still young but nowhere near his level of play. They also add Bunting, who's been playing better than Bertuzzi. All in all, Carolina doesn't gain anything of significant value in that trade, they downgrade everywhere except for taking a flyer on a goalie that hasn't shown he can be a starter and has had very flakey performances this years. The small amount of value DeAngelo has is bigger than Samsonov's value

Bunting > Bertuzzi
Pesce >> Liljegren
DeAngelo >= Samsonov

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31 Jan 2024 14:24:55
It won't happen, but at least you are a Leafs fan making a trade for more defense.

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31 Jan 2024 15:40:56
I’d actually love DeAngelo on the leafs. No comment on proposal tho.

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31 Jan 2024 17:36:08
I know we've disagreed in regards to DeAngelo on the Leafs before VB. If he can play how he has in the past and just stick to hockey I wouldn't be apposed either. Haven't seen many of his games so I am unsure where he is at performance wise or if he moves the needle at all. If he plays as he has in the past and is a cheap add then absolutely for it.

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29 Jan 2024 15:56:11
Mtl- Savard 50% retain- Monahan resign 4 year 16m

TB- Hagel

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29 Jan 2024 18:25:32
- MTL declines.

- Hagel is a fit in Tampa, but not MTL.

- Habs will get a better return trading each separately.

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29 Jan 2024 20:23:25
A 25 year old, signed long term to a reasonable contract, 65+ point player isn’t a fit in Montreal? No way Tampa would do that.

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30 Jan 2024 12:29:21
Chickenfoot is right though. Hagel has excelled under Cooper because of the systems Cooper uses. He's very much built for Tampa Bay hockey.

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30 Jan 2024 13:15:11
Well said MG. Hagel found a home in Tampa where he fits, and they know how to use him.

Players aren't "plug and play". A player's stats in one situation don't always travel to the next. People get uprooted and sometimes don't travel well. There's lots that go into it.

Hagel is a good player in the Tampa situation. I personally don't think with the rebuild and the years away from being competitive that Hagel is a good fit for MTL. It's just my opinion.

Sometimes a guy is being utilized wrong, and a trade just unlocks his potential. Sometimes a guy is being used correctly, and I think that's the case with Hagel. Good for he and the bolts! Hockey and life are good when that happens!

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30 Jan 2024 14:30:02
"System players don't get 2 1sts and a couple prospects. Safe to say since hes steadily improving Tampa would want more than what they paid. Hes a Tampa guy because they find young gems, trade for them and sign them to long term contracts before they can't afford them.

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30 Jan 2024 15:45:21
They do if they are scouted properly. Tampa has one of the best amateur and pro accounting teams down there. Hagel had decent numbers in Chicago because he was getting to play with the top guys and he brought the speed and willingness to go to the hard areas. He fetched what he did because of his age and looked to be trending upwards. I don't think he develops as he has if he stayed there. I think Tampa's scouting team seen he would excel under Cooper and thus this led to an aggressive package to get him. He has now become a very underrated player in the league and will be a pivotal player for Tampa going forward and a lot of that has to do with the systems Cooper uses. He knows how to use players to maximize their output and he has definitely done that with Hagel.

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