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17 Feb 2019 02:09:32
Oil: Puljujarvi

Canes: Adam Fox + 2019 1st

This is a package I’d see oilers potentially accepting if they were offered.

Would Hurricanes accept this? I could see it. They certainly do not need Fox as their d prospect pool is very deep with skill. So I think he would be expendable and then the 1st round pick as extra to sweeten the deal since Puljujarvi has top line potential ( : ( ) and is 20 and if he gains some confidence back he and Aho can maybe be that lethal duo like they were in the past. I don’t want him traded but if this was an offer I think oilers should consider it.

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17 Feb 2019 05:20:00
As much as I would love this as an Edmonton fan, I just can’t see Carolina accepting this. Fox is a highly rated defenseman. I have a hard enough time seeing Carolina trade him for Puljujarvi alone, let alone throw the 1st in.

17 Feb 2019 05:22:55
We'll don Waddell is the GM so yeah maybe. But no sane person would make this trade. i'd actually have fox higher in value then puljujarvi and I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one. straight up I could see it possibly happening if the canes thought they could get some kind of Finnish connection thing going there but no way they add a first.

17 Feb 2019 07:07:56
Faaaaaair enough cousins.

17 Feb 2019 13:27:39
Toronto: Fredrick Gauthier

Philly: Travis Sanhiem And 1st 2019

That’s a deal i see Toronto potential accepting.

Look man I know he’s a 4th overall pick and he’s on the all mighty oilers but the reality is he’s done nothing since his draft year at this point he could get a similar player like Alex Nylander or Maybe Fox And 2nd. Griffin Rienhart is obviously something you’re looking at as an comparable but no team will make that mistake again.

17 Feb 2019 16:38:46
Vb this is also a terrible argument you just made. What kind of comparable trade was that like Gauthier is not and was never in the same ball park as Puljujarvi so nice one.

17 Feb 2019 17:01:33
Griffin Reinhart did not cross my mind once when writing this so no haha just stating oil have potentially ruined him here and if this trade was offered they should accept it. He’s only 20 years old and still has a very high ceiling if that potential is unleashed one day when he has confidence.

17 Feb 2019 20:13:43
Pully is a project player that was rushed into the NHL which was a huge mistake. Just because he was a #4 draft pick doesn't mean that the Oilers should expect a 4/ 5 forward or a 2/ 3 d-man in return.

16 Feb 2019 23:31:19
Ottawa trades: Mark stone (verbal agreement to resign)

Jets trade: Nicolaj Ehlers, Kristian vesalainen.

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17 Feb 2019 00:04:34
These “verbal agreement to resign” deals ain’t going to happen. Any extension talks between player and team are illegal without permission from his current team. Why would Ottawa, or any other team allow that? They won’t. Letting another team mow your lawn while you are still playing on the grass isn’t going to happen. If these guys think they can get a better offer, they have to wait until free agency. They aren’t going to get permission to find a better offer while still playing for their current team. Why would any team allow another team to try and poach their best players?

17 Feb 2019 00:19:48
Might be a bit much from Wpg. It depends how good Stone’s contract is. Ehlers is signed for a really good deal but I’d say Stone is better. So it would be worth it if Stone signed for a max of like 7 mil a year I’d say.

17 Feb 2019 00:44:18
Depending on what he agreed to sign for if it's say tavares money I think jets stick with what they have.

17 Feb 2019 00:46:48
Nope. Not a chance. The offer I believe is Stanley, our 1st and Petan. This offer is way to much for Stone even if he wants to re-sign.

17 Feb 2019 01:37:34
Ottawa wishes.

17 Feb 2019 17:43:25
Winnipeg will not trade Ehlers and Ves for Stone as he would want much more than the Jets would want to pay.

18 Feb 2019 06:05:24
Not a chance.

16 Feb 2019 21:25:23
Three-Way Trade Idea:

Columbus Blue Jackets Trade: Artemi Panarin [6.00 Million x 1 Year] + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.
Ottawa Senators Trade: Mark Stone [7.350 Million x 1 Year] + Ryan Dzingel [2.10 Million x 1 Year]
Nashville Predators Trade: Dante Fabbro [Unsigned] + Craig Smith [4.25 Million x 2 Years] + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick

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Columbus Blue Jackets Acquire: Mark Stone
Ottawa Senators Acquire: Dante Fabbro Craig Smith + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick
Nashville Predators Acquire: Artemi Panarin + Ryan Dzingel

- Ottawa picks up a ton of valuable young pieces, and essentially swaps Dzingel for Smith since Smith has the extra year and could be in play next year.
- Nashville picks up a star caliber player for their top six and a middle six to help them against the Flames, Jets and Sharks: giving them an elite forward core and a chance at the cup this year.
- Columbus essentially swaps Stone for Panarin, and gives up the 2nd to do so since imo, Stone is better than Panarin. However, it is entirely possible that Stone resigns while Panarin does not.

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16 Feb 2019 23:05:48
Stone is not better than Panarin in any universe.

17 Feb 2019 00:06:19
Columbus won’t take a chance swapping free agents. If they think they can sign Stone they will wait to do so in the summer. In the meantime, they collect what they can for Panarin. Way too risky to chance ending up with only a 2nd for Panarin.

17 Feb 2019 02:15:08
I'll take stone over bread man every time easily
There is more to the game then points.

17 Feb 2019 13:26:24
Panarin and a 2nd for stone? Laughabl, how many times stone set records for his team? People said panarin was a product of playing with kane and his first year in Columbus set team record for assists and points. And he's not a liability defensively, just doesn't hit, nothing else wrong with his game. Stone is a good player but not the same level.

18 Feb 2019 06:06:37
This is a joke right?

21 Feb 2019 04:04:52
Shootsmcgee your joking right in what universe is stone ever a defencive liability? LMFAO he's literally one of the top 4 to 5 defensive forwards in today's game, something panarin simply is not! Plus his numbers continue to improve every year on a weak team and currently are right there with panarin this year. You can claim it's cause he played with Duchene that his numbers went up but you'd be wrong again as they were on separate lines all season.

16 Feb 2019 17:36:51
WPG: Vesalainen, 1st Round Pick 2019, Harkins
OTT: Stone

Jets lineup:
Connor - Schiefele - Wheeler
Laine - Little - Stone
Perrault - Lowry - Tanev
Ehlers - Copp - Roslovic

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16 Feb 2019 18:23:41
I hope the Jets don't trade any combination of Ves, Stanley, Niku, Roslovic and Samberg to get any UFA rental.

16 Feb 2019 19:41:34
Jets don’t need wingers. I know Ehlers isn’t having the strongest year, but is 4th line really the best spot for him?

16 Feb 2019 19:47:09
Wow! You are really coming up with some crazy overpays by the Jets lately.

I know Sens fans are fantasizing about getting that kind of return, but it won't happen.

16 Feb 2019 21:32:46
If a top propsect/ 1st round isn't involved you are not getting a top player as a rental. I legit do not understand why you jets fans can't wrap your finger around this. you aren't getting mark stone for a garbage package.

16 Feb 2019 23:24:20
It's probably because rentals never return a first round pick AND the teams top prospect, this will be no different. Ottawa may get the first, but not our top prospect as well. It's not hard to understand. Stanley, our 1st and Petan, is a pretty good offer. If not, Ottawa can try and get someone else to overpay or let him walk for nothing.

16 Feb 2019 23:27:29
notdelusional Teams that give up too much for a UFA rental will soon be sellers at the trade deadline. Stone is a good player but not worth what some of these trade proposals would have the Jets give up for him.

17 Feb 2019 02:16:48
I can tell you that roslovic is on the table in sens talk I'm not saying he will be part of it Burbank I do know he is in the conversation.

17 Feb 2019 05:12:28
I'm sure Ottawa is asking for Roslovic. There just isn't much of a chance that they will get him.

17 Feb 2019 16:13:24
If you aren’t willing to let go of a first round pick or top prospect then you aren’t getting a top rental in return.

16 Feb 2019 13:58:08
Florida Trades
Hoffman
6th Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
CBrown
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)
3rd Round Pick 2020

Clears up some Cap Space to take a run at Panarin in the Summer for Florida and the Leafs add a Top 6 LWinger for the Playoffs.

Thoughts?

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16 Feb 2019 17:34:56
This is a fricken joke.

16 Feb 2019 18:24:16
Not enough for Hoffman.

16 Feb 2019 19:43:15
You have the right idea, but Florida will get better offers in terms of higher picks and prospects.

16 Feb 2019 21:36:09
zamboni iv taken note that you try to be very nice and respectful on here (good on ya) but this is not the right idea lol a top 9/ bottom 6 playern and a 3rd and 4th round pick does not get you a top line winger and a great goal scorer. Just because cats want to gain lots of cap space doesn't mean they'll give away top players for chump change like this. But like you said, florida will for sure get WAY better offers.

16 Feb 2019 23:30:16
Um both #notdelusional and islandjet what did Florida have to give up to get Hoffman?
4th, 5th and a 2nd plus San Jose gave up a late pick as well, CBrown is at least worth a 2nd Rounder plus the 4th and 3rd so you are both overvaluing what Hoffman is worth plus they are going after Panarin in the offseason.

17 Feb 2019 00:46:22
Don't try and justify it pinball it's horrible.

17 Feb 2019 01:46:17
Pinball it doesn’t matter at all how they acquired Hoffman. So that’s the most irrelevant fact you could have used. It doesn’t matter if they clear cap in a run for panarin they aren’t giving away a top player for this garbage offer. It’s a new season and he has a different value, and it is much higher than what it was during that Ottawa beef Dorian had no choice but to trade him away at his lowest value.

17 Feb 2019 13:33:12
Yup, just cause sens front office make bad trades has nothing to do with Hoffmans value. Like saying players like datsyuk and zetterberg were worth 6-7 round draft picks cause they were drafted late. Nothing to do with anything.

16 Feb 2019 08:47:28
Flames - Rangers - Senators trade

Calgary Flames acquire:
• (RW) Mark Stone (reach verbal agreement to resign with the Calgary Flames)
• (LW) Mats Zuccarello (reach verbal agreement to resign with the Calgary Flames)

Ottawa Senators acquire:
• (LHD) Jusso Valimäki
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick (NYR)
• (RW) Michael Frolik

New York Rangers acquire:
• (C) Mark Jankowski
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick (CGY)
• (LW) Ryan Dzingel


Flames Projected Playoff Combinations:

Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Mark Stone
Matthew Tkachuk - Mikael Backlund - Elias Lindholm
Mats Zuccarello - Sam Bennett - James Neal
Andrew Mangiapane - Derek Ryan - Garnet Hathaway

Mark Giordano - TJ Brodie
Noah Hanifin - Travis Hamonic
Oliver Kylington - Rasmus Andersson

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16 Feb 2019 12:12:59
You have an imagination, I'll give you that, but in your lines, stone would be on the second line, no need to break up that first line, just make 2nd line better.

16 Feb 2019 15:24:06
What a rip off for the Sens.

16 Feb 2019 16:05:21
The rangers get as much for zucc as the Sens get for stone?

16 Feb 2019 17:26:43
Lol NYR gets Jankowski a 1st and Dzingle hahaha.

16 Feb 2019 19:48:59
Dzingel is UFA, so doubtful Rangers take him without an extension in place first. If Calgary gets extensions first, then Rangers should too.

Senators will insist on a 1st round pick. They don’t have any use for Frolik. Chances are they will get a better offer.

17 Feb 2019 02:58:19
Ottawa should just throw tkechuck, stone, Chabot, white, pageau and brown in too don't you think?

17 Feb 2019 13:38:43
Theres also a smaĺl detail called the salary cap, flames would be well over it unless stone and zuc want to sign tiny contracts which ain't happening. Verbal also means nothing. Only sign and trade works.

18 Feb 2019 06:18:18
I guess you missed the sarcasm, the most those three pieces get you from Ottawa is an autograph and a dirty laundry bill at best, stone takes more than triple that with a better player/ contract than frolic as well as a 1st.

Stone > Duchene >> statsny + hartman

Do the math

Hartman got Nashville's first- and fourth-round picks as well as forward prospect Victor Ejdsell.

Statsny got forward Erik Foley, a first-round draft pick in the 2018 NHL draft and a conditional fourth-round pick in the 2020 draft.

Both men were on expiring contracts and combined are near Duchene value, so yeah take these garbage proposal and stick them where the sun don't shine!

16 Feb 2019 08:46:20
#1
Florida Panthers - Mike Hoffman
Edmonton Oilers - 2019 1st-Round Pick + Tyler Benson

(Florida gets a first and decent prospect for a rental, oilers upgrade on the wing)

#2
Carolina Hurricanes - Dougie Hamilton + Roland McKeown
Edmonton Oilers - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

(Carolina surpluses defence, and adds needed top 6 c and oilers gain a top 4 defencemen)

BIG TRADE
#3
Ottawa Senators - Mark Stone + Matt Duchene (pre contract negotiation talks with both players)
Edmonton Oilers - Jesse Puljujärvi + Kailer Yamamoto + Oscar Klefbom
(Sens get 2 good promising prospects and a top 4 dman, oilers get upgrades in their top 6 offensive positions)

#4
Arizona Coyotes - Michael Grabner + Christian Fischer
Edmonton Oilers - Brandon Manning + Matt Benning + Zack Kassian + 2019 4th-Round Pick
(Oilers get better in their bottom 9 and arizona get bettet defensive depth and get grittier)

Leon Draisaitl - Connor McDavid - Mark Stone
Mike Hoffman - Matt Duchene - Alex Chiasson
Milan Lucic - Jujhar Khaira - Michael Grabner
Tobias Rieder - Colby Cave - Christian Fischer

Darnell Nurse - Adam Larsson
Kris Russell - Dougie Hamilton
Alex Petrovic - Kevin Gravel

Mikko Koskinen
Anthony Stolarz

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16 Feb 2019 16:07:08
That's a much better return for Hoffman then the connor brown one I've been seeing . I'd be super hesistant to trade that 1st though if I were the oilers gm.

16 Feb 2019 17:39:31
Our defense still sucks and if oilers can get that arizona trade that would be very nice lol.
No from oilers on the first two, no from oilers on the ottawa one because we direly need klef and no way we can resign both those players.

16 Feb 2019 19:58:01
The first two are pretty good. Though I would hope we could get Pesce over Hamilton. Ottawa flat out rejects the third trade. Puljarvi isn’t any good and Yamamoto isn’t ready and probably won’t be for a while. Ottawa can get better return trading those guys separately. The Arizona trade I’m not big on either. Grabner is pretty old and is injured right now. Fischer is 4th line player and doesn’t bring anything to the team we don’t already have. Although you targets the right guys to move out, but Edmonton might be better off amassing picks and prospects instead of 31 year old wingers and 4th line grunts that we have lots already.

16 Feb 2019 07:12:24
Winnipeg: Niku, Roslovic, Comrie, 1st (or 2nd)
Ottawa: Stone.

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16 Feb 2019 14:59:03
Everyone keeps touting Niku as AHL defenseman of the year. Just a reminder. So was Chris Wideman. So it would definitely need to be a 1st imo.

16 Feb 2019 15:32:23
yeah, i was thinking of the 1st but thought a lot of people would say unbelievable, i saw on tsn that ottawa was scouting those players and thought they'd need a pick on top of those players.

16 Feb 2019 16:02:41
Way too much for a UFA in Stone.

16 Feb 2019 17:23:44
No rental returns two top prospects and a first. No chance the Jets give this up for Stone, it's a buyer's market.

16 Feb 2019 17:33:49
Roslovic is very good and Stone is UFA so a 2d and 3 good young players is actually fair imo.

16 Feb 2019 21:21:12
Way too much for Stone. Winnipeg is so strong wingers anyway. We can pursue other options for that package. Guys with more term instead of rentals.

16 Feb 2019 05:10:03
Stolarz for Talbot one for one.

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16 Feb 2019 07:11:44
decent change of scenery trade, i like it. helps both teams.

16 Feb 2019 08:47:12
No i don't think so, if any goalie goes it is Elliot. An experienced goalie with some playoff experiance in case the oilers actually somehow make the playoffs. Then he is ufa next year. I think if Stolarz goes and Simmonds on the way out (hope not) Kassian could be a good cheap power forward. Try him on a line with Giroux and Couts see what the extra room on the ice does for those guys.

16 Feb 2019 15:32:45
outflat, this was a confirmed trade.

16 Feb 2019 02:26:16
Los Angles Kings Trade:
Ilya Kovalchuk (LW - [25% Retention] 4.70 Million x 3 Years)

Colorado Avalanche Trade:
Matt Nieto (LW - 1.95 Million x 2 Years)
Nicolas Meloche (D - 0.85 Million x 2 Years)
Conditional 2019 3rd Round Draft Pick [Condition: Pick is only transferred if Colorado qualifies for the 2019 Playoffs]

- Los Angeles gets value for Kovalchuk now, before he diminishes on the fading team. Nieto is a viable piece who could be traded in the future of the rebuild, and Meloche is a nice piece (former second rounder) .
- Colorado doesn’t give up too much to acquire a solid piece that really helps their depth. Beyond Rantanen/ MacK/ Landy, there isn’t much support, and they only take on appx. an extra 3 million in cap, which they can afford.

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16 Feb 2019 14:44:50
I’d love to see Kovy in a New Jersey but I think he’d excel more in the East.

16 Feb 2019 21:22:30
Avalanche are out of playoffs. They are pursuing youth movement. I doubt they want old man Kovalchuk. If he couldn’t help LA playing with Kopitar and Carter, I fail to see him doing anything in Colorado playing with guys a lot less talented.

 


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