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01 Dec 2018 00:06:08
Chicago: Patrick Kane, Corey Crawford
Columbus: Sergei Bobrovsky, Alex Wennberg, Pierre-Luc Dubois

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01 Dec 2018 03:48:28
Obviously all the players mentioned here are outstanding. Each and every single one of these guys. Some of them are/ were the best in the world at their position. Dubois is looking more and more like he will be an elite talent at his position, and in my opinion, is the reason Columbus doesn’t make this trade. Dubois is on the rise, while Kane is on decline. That $10.5M that Kane makes May also be a big deterrent for Columbus.

30 Nov 2018 21:52:44
Cal - TJ Brodie + 2019 1st
Tor - William Nylander

Ari - Jakob Chychrun
Tor - William Nylander + 2019 2nd

Min - Matt Dumba
Tor - William Nylander + 2019 1st

Car - Justin Faulk + 2019 1st
Tor - William Nylander

Van - Chris Tanev + 2019 1st + 2019 2nd
Tor - William Nylander

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30 Nov 2018 23:12:33
I’d do the dumba deal just don’t think Minnesota would part with him as they’d be considerably weaker on the back end and no way Vancouver trades this years 1st for a player that is similar to what they already have in boeser (boeser is much better, but they play similar style) . Leafs don’t need another offensive minded d like Faulk, personally I don’t mind the zona trade, I like Chychruns style of play, I think he was a steal in the 2016 draft! Also don’t mind the Calgary trade.

01 Dec 2018 00:21:59
Calgary and Vancouver say no to giving up draft picks.
Minnesota is not giving up Dumba.
Carolina would do this for a 2nd round pick.

01 Dec 2018 00:22:31
Calgary doesn't have the cap room
Chychrun is untouchable from Arizona
Dumba is too valuable to Minnesota
Faulk and a 2019 2nd maybe
Van isn't getting rid of their 2019 lottery pick. Maybe 2020 first.

30 Nov 2018 22:50:11
No, no, yes, no, no.

01 Dec 2018 03:54:18
Apart from being injury prone, Tanev’s numbers are terrible this year. Should be avoided at all costs.

All the other trades have very positive elements going for them. But like everyone else, I got to say that the Dumba trade is the one I like best. Chychrun is injury prone, Faulk doesn’t have enough term, Brodie doesn’t have enough term. Again, just imo, Leafs should be loooking at young RHD on good multi-year contract. I don’t think we would be able to get Dumba, or that would have happened already. But there may be someone else available.

03 Dec 2018 12:55:46
Nylander can't get Chychrun alone.

30 Nov 2018 20:30:55
Toronto trades: Nylander

Islanders trade: cizikas, Pulock, 2nd rounder 2019

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01 Dec 2018 00:21:36
i'd say it's fair.

01 Dec 2018 03:57:35
Pulock is a real minute muncher. Didn’t do a whole lot until last year when he came out of nowhere and had that outstanding breakout season. I’m pretty sure with both Dobson and Wilde in the system, Isles may be willing to part with Pulock. At this point, I think it would be in Leafs best interest to make a trade for a guy like Pulock. They obviously aren’t going to get that elite 1RHD they are seeking, and will have to settle for someone a tier or two down. Pukock is a good choice.

30 Nov 2018 15:53:40
30 hrs left in this soap opera...

To TOR: Sandheim, Simmonds, Farabee

To PHI: Nylander, Holl, Rosen and a conditional 3rd (Becomes a 2nd if Simmonds re-signs)

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30 Nov 2018 21:55:19
The leafs can’t afford to resign Simmonds. I would be very interested in a trade along the lines of Sanheim and Simmonds for Nylander. The leafs have the money this year for Simmonds and he’s exactly the type of player the leafs need. Is Sanheim plus half a year of Simmonds fair value for Nylander, I’m not sure. Good post though.

01 Dec 2018 04:02:50
Appears at first glance to be underwhelming return for Nylander: a pending UFA that won’t be re-signed, a possible top 4 defenseman who would likely be 3rd pairing on Leafs behind Rielly and Dermott, and a highly rated prospect player that is at least three years away from making the NHL.

But then you realize that the signing deadline is like maybe 12 hours away, and this trade gives us a physical top line RW that replaces Nylander for the duration of the season, a high quality defensive prospect that replaces Gardiner next year, and a future prospect forward projected to be top 6.

We get something for this year, something for next year, and something to come in the year following that. A constant influx of new talent. And all for a guy that we don’t need and isn’t even playing.

30 Nov 2018 09:03:27
Mtl: Petry

Toronto: Gardiner(UFA)

1 for 1 position need based trade. Imo the fact that Petry is two years older but a RHD and he's on a good contract for another 4 years equals out the fact that Gardiner is a really good defensemen as well

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30 Nov 2018 11:24:06
I don't.

30 Nov 2018 11:24:25
No way Montreal does this deal.

30 Nov 2018 11:25:38
No way Montreal gives petry on a good contract for a defenseman who's an adventure in his own end.

30 Nov 2018 12:46:48
THe leafs don’t need any more American pricks.

30 Nov 2018 14:20:42
why would leafs do this and downgrade? gardiner>petry.

30 Nov 2018 14:48:40
Gardiner>>>>>>Petry.

30 Nov 2018 16:09:20
Gardiner is a ufa. We can sign him in the off-season. Toronto might not be able to. No rush for Montreal to trade for him. Toronto would rather keep him for the playoff run however marginally better he is. Petry is pretty under rated. Gardiner might be over rated.

30 Nov 2018 16:41:02
@FireBergevin, you could sign him in the offseason, if him and his agent even grant Bergevin a meeting or return a phone call, but we all know that’s been a lot to ask lately lol.

30 Nov 2018 17:00:55
He actually a humble one Leafs17.

30 Nov 2018 17:09:35
You’re right Jim. But on that note. If we trade a defenseman on a contract for a ufa that wouldn’t sign with us in free agency. He would just go to free agency anyways. Either way no point of giving up an asset for him.

30 Nov 2018 17:54:48
I agree lol I’m just busting balls on that. Makes no sense for you guys, makes a bit of sense for leafs, but if we are tying up $5+ mill on a Dman for 3 more years I would either want him to be better than Petry or younger where he could be effective for longer and maybe grow to outperform his contract. Not saying Petrys not good, just we would have to be stingy with cap which is why we would let a Dman like Jake walk in the first place.

30 Nov 2018 18:01:32
@pkane, the logic in leafs doing this would be our RHD is a lot weaker than LHD and also it would be a cost controlled asset. It’s like why hawks traded panarin for saad. Hawks were up against the cap and panarin was due for a massive raise soon and saad isn’t as good but had term left at a manageable number, it’s the cost of having good players in a hard cap league.

30 Nov 2018 18:20:34
@unbiasedjim

I thought Panarin was signed first and then traded? I always just figured Chicago traded him for the same reason Columbus wants to trade him now: because he would only take 2 year deals?

30 Nov 2018 18:50:32
Panarin was signed Dec 28, 2016, and was traded June 2017. He was signed for $6M, same as Saad. So saving money couldn’t have been the reason Panarin was traded.

30 Nov 2018 21:49:46
I was just f’n with you Sosa, I like Petry.

30 Nov 2018 23:09:34
Lol. I know buddy. Plus. Would jus be trading one Yankee for another.

30 Nov 2018 23:46:04
It was a trade to save money. I’m not just saying that, it was known at the time. They traded him knowing that 2 year deal walked him into UFA when they couldn’t keep him. He made the same as saad now, but saad still makes that going forward as where panarin is making far more starting July 1 and some people saying 10mill range. It was a move for cap situation and cost certainty. Not saying it was a good move, just that was atleast part of the thought process at the time.

01 Dec 2018 04:06:27
@jim

Do you think Panarin only wanting to accept short term deals is so he can maximize his return? Or is it because he sees too much uncertainty in Chicago and Columbus that he is unwilling to tie himself long term to these teams?

I mean, most guys are looking for the security of a long term deal. And at his age, Panarin is now over the average age in NHL. It’s a bit of a gamble not taking that multi-year long term deal to secure his future?

01 Dec 2018 05:30:41
A 2 year deal walked him into free agency and yeah, shorter term makes him more money as long as he stays healthy and productive. I’m sure this time if he gets offers from a team he’s interested in (apparently a city with modelling opportunity for his girlfriend) then he will take the security and massive pay day.

01 Dec 2018 21:33:34
Jim is right, Saad and panarin make the same, but saad signed for think 3-4 years longer, thought was kane could play with anyone and be productive but needed toews a linemate and had previously had success with saad, horrible trade imo, rumored that he'd like a trade back to Chicago so maybe would take a little pay cut to stay, never know now.

03 Dec 2018 12:53:12
Leafs wouldn't go for it. Petry i think would look good for them, but he is too old. Gardner could do well with Weber and hopefully learn from him as well.

29 Nov 2018 23:10:21
Arizona - Jakob Chychrun
Toronto - William Nylander

Arizona - Derek Stepan + 2019 1st Rd + Barrett Hayton
St Louis - Vladimir Tarasenko


Clayton Keller - William Nylander - Vladimir Tarasenko
Nick Schmaltz - Alex Galchenyuk - Vince Hinostroza
Richard Panik - Brad Richardson - Michael Grabner
Christian Dvorak - Nick Cousins - Christian Fischer

Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Niklas Hjarlmarsson
Kevin Connauton - Jason Demers
Alex Goligoski - Jordan Oesterle

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30 Nov 2018 01:31:10
That's a solid nope.

30 Nov 2018 05:28:31
Are you a coyote fan? If so I'd like to meet you I have never saw one In Person. I've heard they were a rare breed but they are out there. sort of like the albino moose.

30 Nov 2018 06:43:56
Still doesn’t look good enough team to win the cup.

30 Nov 2018 14:21:55
the nylander trade no, toronto would add i think. st louis trade is closer in my opinion.

30 Nov 2018 14:43:10
Plane quantity doesn't equal quality.

How bout chtyil, Hajek, 1st end 2019.

03 Dec 2018 12:56:30
Too bad that's a poor defence.

30 Nov 2018 00:24:56
NJ trades: Severson, Coleman, 2nd round pick 2020

TO trades: Nylander, 4th round pick 2019


Marleau Matthews kapanen
Hyman Tavares Marner
Coleman Kadri Brown
Johnsson Lindholm Leivo

Reilly Hainsey
Gardiner Severson
Dermott Zaitsev

Andy

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30 Nov 2018 06:56:06
Severson looking good. On pace for his highest points total, he’s starting to hit a lot more now, on pace to have over 100 hits again this year, plays over 20 min a night, 5 years at an attractive $4M. He’s an excellent choice for Leafs to target. Outstanding player. He would really shore up our RD there. I think their is a lot going for this scenario. New Jersey continues to get younger and faster, they can make this trade because they still have Vatanen, and their offense gets a boost.

Severson would be a very handsome return for Nylander. If we could get him.

30 Nov 2018 14:50:21
Severson is worse then Faulk and Ristolianen combined in his own end.

30 Nov 2018 18:55:09
That’s a pretty bold statement vb. Do you have any stats to back that one up? You made the claim, it’s up to you to support it, not up to me to prove you wrong.

01 Dec 2018 04:09:40
Just watch him occasionally but to my Knowledge his hero charts advanced statistics are terrible.

29 Nov 2018 23:14:40
Ottawa desperately needs a solid shut down guy on Blueline with experience to calm the kids down a bit but still young enough to fit the rebuild.

Florida is struggling, Columbus going to have some problems when panarin leaves so.

CBJ : Seth Jones

Ott : white, chlapic, Ceci, and the 1st rounder from Karlsson trade that they are guaranteed

Or

FLA : Aaron ekblad

Ott : white, Bernard-docker, Ceci, and the 1st from Karlsson trade

Both offers see a top 2 defence downgraded to a top 4 defence in order to add youth and offence of two solid prospects as well as a 1st rounder that is not lottery protected. Also note that both rookies in ekblad deal were also 1st rounders and both considered high end prospects in both deals.


Either of those 2 guys are old enough to bring leadership and experience while young enough to fit the rebuild.

Chabot and ekblad or Jones would also be a step up from the Karlsson Methot tandem that brought them success for years.

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30 Nov 2018 01:03:32
Your kidding? Jones is 100% going nowhere. and. neither is Ekblad.

30 Nov 2018 03:30:54
That jones one is laughable. Jones will sign a jersey and send it to Dorian fornthsy package if he wants, but that’s about it. So brutal for CBJ lol.

30 Nov 2018 07:23:05
See what I mean?

Ones on a struggling team the other on a team that is guaranteed to lose its top player yet somehow a package involving a guaranteed 1st round non lottery protected pick, not one but 2 high end prospects (one of which currently in Calder race), and a top 4 defenseman isn't close to enough?

But yet offers a thousand times worst you guys post to get sens players like Duchene are somehow fair value?

You need your heads checked seriously, any other team makes a similar offer you'd be jumping for joy agreeing with it especially if it was Ottawa moving one of those too.

Disagree? I got proof, his name is Erik Karlsson.

30 Nov 2018 11:34:18
Nah, your proof is that Ottawa is an incompotent s***show that doesn't know what EK is worth. We all kmew EK was going to go below market value and get the return he did because Ottawas so damn incomptent and would trade him for pennies oj the dollar. that's why wed laugh when you proposed Point+Serg+1st+Radysh+whatever, Ottawa had no leverage, they sure as hell weren’t getting that.

Jones is one of the best dmen in the league, and basically its White and a last first for him. Jones is on a solid contract that isn't expiring, why would columbus even consider this.

Same with the Ekblad one. Maybe Ekblad makes more, but its still not enough for Ek imo.

30 Nov 2018 12:24:44
There's a massive difference between a 28 war old - one more year to UFA - rumoured to wanting a massive pay day D man to a young 20s solid D man under a great contract for many years to come. I'd rather Seth Jones all day over EK right now, and it's a no brainer. Why would CLB want a package of prospects and picks for one of the best young D in the game? They wouldn't.
That package get you laughed at and you know it. You're always so insanely biased to the Sens bud.

30 Nov 2018 14:52:30
If you want Jones on Ottawa it starts with Chabot and Tkachuk.

30 Nov 2018 16:43:03
Yupp and VB are both right on this one and on the same page. Something weird is happening 😟 😟.

30 Nov 2018 19:08:13
First off vbb not a chance either of those guys would get both Chabot and tkechuck in the real world.

2nd off the point of getting them is to help Chabot tkechuck stone and Duchene make a faster rebuild so they wouldn't be involved anyway.

30 Nov 2018 19:24:21
As for yupp, the package involved a top 4 defence replacement, 2 high end prospects one who is currently fighting in the Calder race, and again a "non protected" 1st round pick whether it be this year's or next year's due to stipulation, either way it's the better pick of the 2.

Either a top half part of the league pick this year if Sharks miss playoffs or if they get in it becomes next year's pick, again go look at the trade yourself if you're skeptical.

If it does become next year's that's even better because EK has yet to sign with Sharks, Thornton likely will retire or if he doesn't will be too old to make any kind of difference as he's already slowing down, and they already moved Demers demelo and teirney, 3 of their more reliable defensive players.

Add that to what will be a frustrated Evander Kane which never turns out well, and an aging Vlasic.

I mean call me crazy, burns is good but even he can't carry that load himself.

In other words the trade is essentially a top 4 defence, 2 high end prospects, and an expected high end pick possible lottery, which is more than enough for 1 elite defence with no other assets.

Chlapic in Jones deal is to help make up scoring that panarin will leave a hole for as chlapic a goal scorer, where as Florida don't share that issue and would likely prefer docker to help boost future defence, either way both are respected high end prospects, something Ottawa clearly has an abundance of with formenton Gustafson and Brown Among others still waiting to crack the lineup.

30 Nov 2018 23:51:30
So what you just said was “bringing jones in is to help stone Duchene tkachuk and Chabot” so you expect a team to give you their best player without you giving up one of your best 4-5 players/ prospects? Lol who do you think keikalainan is? Pierre Dorian? (Reference Karlsson Trade) . Come on.

01 Dec 2018 04:08:39
What exactly do you think white is? Or the San Jose non protected 1st?

And chlapic ain't exactly a slouch by any means, he's an NHL ready future top 6 forward.

This just shows how you undervalue and underestimate sens players.

White especially might not be tkechuck but he's still extremely valuable in his own right.

And the Ceci might not be what those 2 guys are but he can still fill a top 4 role.

A similar offer from a different team and I'd guarantee you be in full support mode praising the offer.

White already top 6 quality, chlapic will get there, Ceci already top 4 and docker will get there, add the San Jose pick the value is there and you know it.

01 Dec 2018 05:36:57
Well you only have docker in the Ekblad proposal and I never said that one wouldn’t work. Jones is better than Ekblad, less injury problems and locked up long term for over $2 mill less than him. The difference in the 2 players value is not only chlapik instead of docker lol.

01 Dec 2018 15:09:12
nobiasrambo, you lost all credibility when you said white is extremely valuable.

in the real nhl, you don't get riches for rags, unless you're the gm of edmonton, ottawa, who give away riches for rags constantly.

01 Dec 2018 18:42:41
Ovies hero if you don't think white is extremely valuable you should stop watching hockey all together because you clearly don't know what your talking about.

Last season whites value was on par with Chabot during Duchene talks and while Chabot value increased dramatically whites stayed pretty darn close with him.

White is currently tied with tkechuck for 2nd place among all rookies this season so far, tkechuck did it even with weeks off with an injury but it's not like white was any less impressive how he got there considering he hasn't been on 1 line long yet and keeps bouncing between all of the top 3 lines.

So to be where he is, absolutely that's extremely impressive and anyone who says otherswise better clead the dirt out of your head.

01 Dec 2018 18:53:30
Unbiased Jim ok ok I personally think ekblad better that Jones not by much but everybody has their oppinion so I can respect yours on that matter.

But it seems like you're putting a major gap in value between chlapic and Bernard docker? Chlapic value is Fairly close to what dockers is with the age advantage slightly in dockers favour. They are also very different types of players with docker being the in your face shut down defence man, and chlapic being the skilled goal scorer.

The reason I put chlapic in the Columbus deal instead of docker is because of the impending loss of panarin. Chlapic has the ability to grow into that type of role and be a sort of poor man's panarin. On top of that, Columbus still has werenski among others on blue line so up front help needed more where Florida is the opposite, adding white gives them more than enough front end depth but docker helps their Blueline grow better.

03 Dec 2018 12:54:23
If Columbus loses their best players, they will need the young guys to build around in Jones and Werenski. I think those guys are pretty much untouchable right now. I'm not saying that your proposal is majorly biased or anything, i just think that your opinion of those assets is incorrect.
I'll give you points for not mentioning Nylander though.

05 Dec 2018 19:03:31
Thunder turkey that's just it though, panarin already stated he won't play in cumbus next year and been saying how much he wants to go back to Chicago so because of that they likely won't get much for him other than a weak rental price as Chicago not likely to be in playoffs and won't need to go for him this year as they can just wait till free agency and poach him then for nothing.

That leaves a massive hole offensively that will need to be filled.

Columbus has a loaded defence core in savard, werenski, Jones, and Murray.

Downgrading 1 of those guys (obviously Jones would be the guy Ottawa would want at a price like this) to ceci who is still top 4 quality and would be protected better in Columbus in order to add 2 solid offensive prospects in white and chlapic plus add what has potential to be a lottery pick this or next year would be a good trade off for Columbus no matter what and if it gives them a solid crack at Hughes or Lafreniere then it becomes a win for them as well.

And even if they win either lottery with that pick it's still a trade loss Ottawa can live with as it gets the experienced shut down guy who can also score and completely compliment chabot on sens top pairing. Basically a win for both sides.

29 Nov 2018 21:13:30
Columbus: Panarin
Nashville: Fiala+2nd

Columbus: Bobrovsky+2nd
St Louis: Allen, Terasenko.

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29 Nov 2018 22:44:28
No way St. Louis trades Tarasenko for a player that probably won’t resign given their looking like they’re headed towards a rebuild. If they’re going to trade Senko it’s be for picks and prospects more than likely.

30 Nov 2018 00:33:00
We are not trading tarasenko for a ufa and a high pick. Lol wtf stupid bad.

30 Nov 2018 07:03:13
What’s with that Panarin trade? Fiala sucks.

One trade heavily favors Columbus, and the other trade heavily favors the opposing team.

29 Nov 2018 21:11:41
Chicago: Keith +2nd
toronto: Gardiner, Kapenen, 3rd

Chicago: Anisimov
NJD: 3rd, 5th

Chicago: Crawford+ 3rd
Philly: Hart +2nd

Chicago: Seabrook (50% Retained)
Boston: Vladar + 2nd.

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29 Nov 2018 23:23:25
Why is Philly giving the better pick with Hart?!

30 Nov 2018 00:04:04
Toronto shouldn't take Keith contract, and Kapanen is at an all time high in value.

New Jersey may do that, but they have decently good centre depth (Hischier/ Zajac/ McLeod/ Zacha/ / Boyle) and ZAjac is a huge contract altogether, probably don't want Anisimov as well.

Philly is bankinh on Hart, i don't think they take a gamble on an older goalie for him.

And idk about the last one. Seabrook at 50 is decent imo.

30 Nov 2018 00:48:29
Interesting you bringing up Keith what with the discussion about Pietrangelo below. Less than 2 years ago Keith came 4th in Norris trophy voting. Now nobody believes he is anywhere near top 50 even and that once sweet contract of his is a boat anchor. It just shows how fast a player can fall down the rankings and deteriorate in performance. Another great example is Karlsson. Once considered the best defenseman in the world not long ago, Karlsson should not be taken seriously as a top 10 defender in the NHL anymore.

I guess age eventually captures up with everyone.

 


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