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08 Dec 2017 19:35:50
To Tor: t.j. Brodie

To Calgary: Fredrick gauthier and Kerby rychel

Who adds, what do you guys think?

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08 Dec 2017 19:47:56
Two AHL players for a top 4 defenseman?

08 Dec 2017 21:54:34
Im wondering the same thing as xcing, aside from that, i can't imagine brodie being a fit for the buds with rielly and gardiner playing on that left side.

08 Dec 2017 22:42:07
Very true Facelift. Toronto already has two top 4 left handed d but I mean if you can get one for this cheap might as well fill out your entire top 6.

09 Dec 2017 15:56:16
Bad deal for flames, bad fit for leafs. But exactly as xcing says, at this price you grab him anyway. Hainsey is LD playing the right side with Rielly anyway. So he could even play there. But not a chance flames do this.

11 Dec 2017 03:53:07
Brodie actually prefers, and is better at playing the right side. But CGY would need a legit top line RW to consider moving Brodie.

12 Dec 2017 04:00:49
What about:

1) Toronto - JVR and Carrick
2) Calgary - Brodie, B prospect and 4th rounder.

08 Dec 2017 15:48:48
Flyers: Pacioretty + 2rdn+ carr
Mtl: Simmonds


Buff: Pacioretty + Galchenyuk + 1st
Mtl: O'Reilly + Kane

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08 Dec 2017 17:01:32
Mtl- price 50% retained

Edm- lucic-poolparty-

Gives Mtl a good young forward for rebuild and lucic can protect young Mtl players. Mtl get out of price contract Edm get's solid goaltender.

Also this serves as an ecandle of how bad your trades really are fyi.

08 Dec 2017 21:57:23
Thats close redwing, but i think you would have to take looch out to make it more even. price 50% retained to the oilers for just pool party sounds more fair for both.

08 Dec 2017 22:31:58
Why do you hate your own team?

11 Dec 2017 11:07:02
Mtl adds Byron because Phi has to be at least interested in one player.

08 Dec 2017 15:43:05
Rumor has it ottawa is moving karlsson for the right price.


Karlsson, Ryan, Phaneuf, Dzingle


Benn, Seguin, Oleksiak

Ottawa gets a bonfide top line with Benn Seguin and Duchene added to a scary second line of stone Hoffman and brassard while Chabot and Ceci get the chance to break out with karlsson gone

Dallas reunites methot with karlsson making the best one two defence punch in the league with karlsson on one pair and klingberg on the other.

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08 Dec 2017 17:02:14
Rumor has it adell will be suing you for copyright enrichment on her song lol.

08 Dec 2017 18:04:42
Lol Dallas ain't trading their franchise players to help you out that hole.

08 Dec 2017 19:08:48
News flash; karlsson is a much better franchise player than both those guys and to get him out of ottawa it's going to take something huge coming back.

A top 4 defenceman, a young top 9 speedy forward, a top 6 forward, and the best defenceman in the world / top 3 player overall in the world
for 2 top 15 forwards in the world on their best days and a top 4 defenceman
Yeah I'd have to say that's pretty reasonable. It takes franchise to land franchise.

Benn and Seguin have prove they can be elite but not always consistently.
Outside of this year karlsson has proven like Crosby and mcdavid to be generational talent which is well above elite.
Maybe could add a mid round draft pick but the rest looks fine!

08 Dec 2017 22:00:02
Just because ottawa wants to dump their franchise player doesn't mean other teams want to dump theirs too.

08 Dec 2017 22:35:01
1. Ottawa does not want to "dump" Karlsson. Its crazy that you think the Sens would have to Dump Karl. 2. Obviously the Stars aren't going to take both Ryan and Dion's contracts for their two franchise players . lol C'mon man .

09 Dec 2017 01:38:09
Also taking those contracts on would be a necessity for ottawa to complete that trade to get the best defenceman in the world you take a couple big cap dumps with him and give a good enough return.

09 Dec 2017 01:34:40
There has been talk about karlsson hoff68. whether it's talk that it liked or not. revolves around his contract talks. if they trade him they most definitely get something back. Dallas makes most sense. they've been known to make insane trades over the years for one. for two they have plenty of forwards to fall back on like spezza, hanzel, radulov, nishuchkin, etc.

Also what is wrong with taking Ryan contract? Aside from last year's regular season where he was far from playing healthy he's been a consistent 50+ point guy over the years and was Ottawa's second best player in the playoffs. also when he wasn't with Duchene this year he was steller too. while Phaneuf and oleksiak pretty much cancel each other out skill wise but Dallas defence core would take even more pressure off Pheneuf letting him play his game if this was to happen.

09 Dec 2017 16:14:50
What’s wrong with taking Ryan’s contract? Besides a round of lastvyears playoffs he was awful. He has a ton of money and a ton of years left on his deal and is underperforming more than overperforming on that contract. Phaneuf May be a top 4 D but again, he’s paid like a #1. Dallas would have to have Karlsson committed to staying to make a trade like this. He’s going to get mcdavid money. That means Dallas has Karlsson and phaneuf making $20 mill and still has Klingberg and methot etc? Makes no sense. Saying sens need to dump Karlsson is stupid, but thinking a good team is going to gut their core to get him is dumb too. Stars are worse after this trade even though they get the best player. Karlsson May get more than mcdavid and teams will be weary of making a massive splash till that’s sorted out.

09 Dec 2017 17:03:43
While I agree about Phaneuf being over played huge unbiased jim his contract is up in 2 to 3 years and with 3 huge contracts also leaving Dallas in this deal the money evens out.

The thing is though I strongly disagree about Bobby Ryan and so do the stats. while he is coming off the worst regular season of his career and can't find chemistry with Duchene, he was still Ottawa's 2nd best player in last year's playoffs and 2nd best player to start this year before he got hurt next only to mark stone and Erik karlsson respectively.

Also note that besides last year's regular season his worst season to date was the year before where he posted 48 points in 70 games working out to 0.70 points per game roughly. to say he's as bad as you continually let on he is can easily be portrayed as a joke.

And like I said above to get franchise players, espessially generational talent ones, you NEED to be willing to trade franchise players. it's been done before, it'll be done in the future, so why can't teams like ottawa get in on that? Dallas has been known to make trades like this. remember james Neal, Louis Eriksson, etc. who's to say they wouldn't be willing to do it again if the right player came along?

10 Dec 2017 05:21:19
#1) saying that phaneuf contract isn’t a problem because Benn and seguins money is leaving is rediculous. Just because it’s similar money going both ways doesn’t mean it’s spending the money right. Would you rather Jamie Benn or phaneuf for your money?!?

#2) Bobby Ryan’s worst season before last year was .70 PPG? He hasn’t had .70 PPG since 2010/ 11 on his entry level contract in Anaheim. Last season was his worst, but he has had multiple seasons with a lower points per game than his 48 in 70.

#3) are you seriously trying to compare a James Neal and Matt Niskanen for Alex Goligoski trade to a Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin for Erik Karlsson? Come on man.

10 Dec 2017 17:57:56
1 - i'm not saying that swapping phaneuf contract for benn or seguin straight up is even just that you have to keep both teams under the cap and the only way to do it is to send similar contracts both ways. i said karlsson is going to easily be worth the biggest return of any of them making him the center piece. he will draw Benn and then some to get him. which is where Seguin comes in. in which case they will want something decent in return while ottawa can use karlsson as a way to move Phaneuf. obviously Dallas will want some decent replacements in their top 6 forwards so Ryan and dzingle are put in. then to even it out cap wise you send oleksiak contract back the other way.

10 Dec 2017 18:06:21
2 - I litterally looked up the stats on nhl. com for Bobby Ryan before I posted that unbiasedjim so I couldn't be blindsided and I can't honestly say with no doubts whatsoever that you are wrong. if you disagree you should probably take a look for yourself.

3 - yeah I am comparing those trades to Benn and seguin. because at the time those deals happened Neal and Eriksson were as big of a deal in Dallas as Benn and Seguin are now. are you really going to sit there and say that wasn't the case? Big trades happen, that's hockey. if they didn't then gretzky and messiest would have retired as oilers.

10 Dec 2017 20:00:39
Soo. i checked bobby ryans stats on hockeydb. out of his 9 full nhl seasons his best statistical season came 7 years ago, when he scored 34 goals and 71 points for the ducks. second best season came 8 years ago, when he scored 35 and 64 points with the ducks. his third and fourth best seasons were 6 and 9 years ago, 31 goals and 57 points with the ducks. in ryans four full seasons with the sens he never hit any of those targets for points totals and would only score 23, 18, 22 and 13 goals respectively over those four seasons. Missing a hand full of games every season with a sore finger doesn't really add to the guys value imo. anywho i don't expect you to understand this, all you'll want to do is argue alittle more about how you're right and the other 5 people that post a concern are wrong.

10 Dec 2017 23:32:55
I agree mostly with NoBiasRambo. If Duchene was worth what the Sens paid for then Karlsson will get them way more as he is still in the top 5 players in the world. I just don't believe it will be Dallas. Because the Sens have Chabot and upcoming White and others, I believe Karlsson should attract a top 3 forward depending from which team + a top 4 D-man (as you said) + a decent goalie + future prospects as well.

12 Dec 2017 04:04:18
It's ok NoBiasRambo some of these guy seem to thing they know everything. that's why I'm not on here as much any more lol. truth is I don't like the idea of moving EK but it could be inevitable. this ain't actually a bad proposal to be honest.

And as for the last comment by Facelift39. you do realise that Rambo is still right about ryan don't you? While he may have only gotten 23 18 22 and 13 "goals" respectively in each of those seasons you mentioned, he did still reach the 50 "point" mark in each of those as well which I do believe was the point Rambo was trying to make in the 1st place if I'm not mistaken. People never seem to let go of the bad but the good always seems to be swept under the bridge with one bad season.

Also, when it comes to the duchene deal I can't help but say I told you so. Turris tearing it up and duchene went to sleep. go figure!

13 Dec 2017 01:18:59
One bad season? i'm convinced senskill that you don't even watch hockey. bobby ryans 48, 54, 56 and 25 point seasons are ALL lower than the 57, 64, 71 and 57 point seasons he had in anaheim. my apologies for only pointing out the low goal totals, my opinion does not change.

13 Dec 2017 23:10:18
Facelift39 you forget that he also played lots of even strength / power play minutes alongside getzlaff and Perry while in Anaheim and wasn't expected to be "the" guy. he's never had that level of talent with him in ottawa outside karlsson yet still got the 50+ points per season with the exception of last season. Whether you like him or not the stats speak for themselves!

14 Dec 2017 19:09:29
I have to agree with senskill238 here. If anyone don't watch hockey I'd say it's you facelift39, sorry to say. I just did the math myself and can tell you while his numbers in Anaheim were better than his numbers with ottawa they weren't as spectacular as you're letting on they were. His 3 best seasons with the ducks saw him achieve a 0.89, 0.87, and 0.79 point per game average respectively playing with the likes of getzlaff Perry koivu and at the time neidermeyer and pronger too, while his best 3 years in ottawa saw him achieve a 0.69 point per game average all 3 times playing with less than a quarter the talent he played with in Anaheim outside karlsson. Naturally hell put up better numbers with more skilled players around him. Also note that his worst season in ottawa so far mirrored his worst season in Anahiem exactly with a 0.43 point per game average.

16 Dec 2017 07:16:21
Well i agree with unbiasedjim, AND as a sens fan myself i can honestly say ryans underperforming on a overpaying contract. if you guys don't see it that way then we'll have to agree to disagree, but i see big time homerism here and you really should change your user name.

08 Dec 2017 15:42:38
Mtl) Pacioretty
Pit) Schultz + Hornquvist

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09 Dec 2017 20:24:53
Wtf is this lol.

08 Dec 2017 14:26:27
List of trades:

PHI trade
Wayne Simmonds

MTL trade
2018 1st
Nikita Scherbak
Alex Galchenyuk
FLA trade
James Reimer

EDM trade
Laurent Brossoit
2018 3rd
TOR trade

DAL trade
2018 1st
2018 2nd
2nd best forward prospect
BUF trade
Evander Kane

CHI trade
2018 1st
2018 3rd
2019 2nd
Brandon Saad

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08 Dec 2017 15:07:51
Holy wow these aren't the best thought out trades.
Florida is looking to add a goalie now with Luongo out for a while. Not treade down essentially. They are possibly adding a Hutchinson type to go WITH Reimer while Luo is out for a while now. That is bad for Florida.
Why would Chi make that deal, that's unreal bad for them.

08 Dec 2017 22:04:44
I totally agree with yup on the panthers/ oilers deal. philly, dallas and chicago get hosed in the other three deals. Just my opinion.

08 Dec 2017 22:35:44
wtf is that last trade?

09 Dec 2017 15:27:31
Doubt Chicago would do saad for Kane straight up.

10 Dec 2017 05:25:36
That last ones really close, if you take saad, the 2nd and the 3rd out of it.

08 Dec 2017 09:26:52
Max Pacioretty For Ryan O'Reilly

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08 Dec 2017 11:34:21
One of the best rumors
Its pretty realistic.

08 Dec 2017 12:50:19
When I suggested Lehner to the Flyers you said Buffalo and Philly are in the same situation and want to rebuild. So why would Buffalo want this and next year is Pacioretty if they are rebuilding?
If they want to get rid of O'Rielly, wouldn't they want good picks and prospects in return for their rebuild?

08 Dec 2017 14:10:31
That is a good deal IMO. O’reilly Is capable of being a 1st line center.

08 Dec 2017 14:33:09
I really like this deal for both sides. Montreal gets their number one center and Buffalo can put Reinhart second line to replace him. They get Patches who can help with their lack of LWs.

09 Dec 2017 03:32:41
I don't mind it. but I'm going to catch a lot of flack now. I agree with Yup. Lol.

09 Dec 2017 04:10:12
No flack on this one Sosa I'd have to agree too. Sabres would probably want picks and prospects if they traded o Reilly or at least they should.

09 Dec 2017 10:41:32
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the proposed trade.
I'm just thrown off on the fact Keybabs said Buffalo is rebuilding when I proposed a Lehner to Philly idea. Now goes and makes this trade. If they are rebuilding as he said then why would they want Pacioretty? Kinda contradicting himself.

08 Dec 2017 07:15:58
Cbj wennberg Murray

Canucks Sutter delzotto baertschi

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08 Dec 2017 08:42:10
Biiiiiig no from van you gomer

08 Dec 2017 11:34:53
Lol clb gets robbed.

09 Dec 2017 00:20:37
I meant columbus. F@**

08 Dec 2017 07:42:08
just a quick thought. i was just thinking at how badly the Islanders have fleeced the Oilers in these past couple of years.

Griffen Reinhart for Mathew Barzal

Ryan Strome for Jordan Eberle.

Not only the islanders however. there's also the Larsson for hall trade.

man oh man... that's just horrible and I apologize to all oilers fans out there. could you imagine...

Hall McDavid Eberle
Draisaitl Barzal Puljujarvi

thats a horrifying top 6.

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08 Dec 2017 15:05:17
And how is the Duchane trade working out in Ottawa?
I would be more concerned with the Sens huge slide to 4th last in the league if I were you my friend.

08 Dec 2017 19:59:28
Bit rich coming from the Edmonton fan.

08 Dec 2017 20:31:46

Why do you get so triggered? Like come on, just admit that the Oiler would be a better team is Peter Chiarelli didn't make half the moves he did,

08 Dec 2017 22:13:32
Nah there's more reason to be concerned for the oilers yup, their in 3rd from last in the league right under ottawa and they have mcdavid on their team for crap sake.

08 Dec 2017 22:37:53
Lol Yup. I never said that i liked the Duchene trade. We got fleeced . Just not nearly as bad as EDM has in recent years.

09 Dec 2017 01:21:40
Easy, hoff. you saying the sens didn't get "fleeced" on that spezza deal? What about the bishop trade? Or lazar? don't get me wrong i'm a sens fan and love my team, but we haven't been 100% perfect over the years when it comes to some of these returns.
Stay humble.

08 Dec 2017 07:41:25
2 trades i seen earlier that i would like to recreate. Tell me who adds.

Hamilton for Marner

Valimaki + Tkachuk + Ruzicka + Stajan (cap) for OEL + Duclair

Gaudreau - Monahan - Marner
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Jankowski - Duclair
Brouwer - Lazar - Jagr

Giordano - OEL
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

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08 Dec 2017 13:34:17
Leafs do not need Hamilton he’s a good 3rd dman but if you’re in the Stanley cup finals and you need a dman to play 40+ min in double OT he’s not the guy. Leafs need someone like Eric Johnson who isn’t terrible defensively and doesn’t take risks/ pintch.

08 Dec 2017 16:36:03
You're stuck with Stajan forever. Sorry : (.

09 Dec 2017 02:26:56
Stajan’s contract is up after this year, Turkey 😝.

08 Dec 2017 01:13:49
Edm: puljarvi and nurse.

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08 Dec 2017 05:11:38
big ol' No from EDM.

08 Dec 2017 09:56:49
Wouldn’t trade either of those guys for Juolevi.


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