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15 Jun 2018 20:52:17
OTT: Hoffman, 22nd ovr
CHI: Hossa, 8th ovr

Chicago clears a small amount of cap space but actually gets some use out of it. Could even flip him.

Ottawa gets two top 10 picks and takes on cap space, but only has to pay an actual salary of 200k to Hossa.

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16 Jun 2018 00:10:38
Hossa is on LTIR he has no cap hit.

16 Jun 2018 03:06:38
They can clear cap space by placing him in on ltir.

16 Jun 2018 12:02:33
hoffman > hossa at this point, it's better to have someone that can actually help. i understand that point.
8th overall > 22nd overall.
i highly highly doubt chicago would move down that far, especially out of top 10, just to save cap space that they could just clear by using LITR instead. Even if both were playing i don't see the difference between hossa and hoffman to be that great to justify moving down 14 spots outside of top 10.

17 Jun 2018 15:22:42
no from ottawa

15 Jun 2018 19:23:32
Ottawa Senators:

- Nick Suzuki

- Erik Brannstrom

- 61st overall pick

- Tomas Tatar

Vegas Golden Knights:

- Bobby Ryan

- Erik Karlsson (rights)

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This deal helps Ottawa a lot.
They get a good centre, who should immediately be better than Logan Brown.
An offence-first defenceman in Erik Brannstrom who has a similar playing style as EK.
They get rid of the terrible Bobby Ryan Contract.
Tatar is still a good forward, just didn't work out in Vegas.
Vegas has the salary to sign EK, keep Bobby Ryan and still resign their players.

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15 Jun 2018 19:31:49
Just for the rights to EK Vegas better be guaranteed he will sign or that’s a lot of loss for them.

15 Jun 2018 21:13:09
Who's this special center you speak of? Looks like a bunch of throwaways to me.

15 Jun 2018 21:17:20
Also you are trading for Karlsson, not his rights. He’s not a FA this summer, but next. So you have the year. Regardless I would think they want to be sure he’s sticking around longer if they’re trading 2 of 3 first rounders from last year. That will make them better today but really hurts a very shallow pipeline. Most teams have 3 or 4 years of former 1st rounders about to make an impact, Vegas has 1 years worth.

16 Jun 2018 16:58:39
@Ramo

Hoffman looks like a nice throw away too. Same with the entire Sens team besides EK.

16 Jun 2018 18:05:19
Stone is really good too, but he'll probably demand a trade to escape Melnyk's circus.

17 Jun 2018 02:20:42
You're right top shelf but don't go get to add mcdavid Crosby doughty Matthews etc to that list lol.

17 Jun 2018 15:16:02
if he is signed that's not enough ottawa shouldn't trade EK with bobby ryan and Ottawa have no interest in tatar and 3rd round picks or brannstrom.

17 Jun 2018 22:46:01
Ottawa should have no interest in anything vegas related.

15 Jun 2018 19:09:27
Mtl) 3OVA + Pacioretty (signed in June)
Det) Larkin + 6th + Nyquist
Chi) 8th + Hossa (contract)

Det) 3OVA + 8th
Mtl) Larkin + 6th + Hossa
Chi) Pacioretty + Nyquist

Then
Chi) Pacioretty
Min) Dumba

Then Mtl sign Stastny if possible

Drouin Larkin Gallagher
Galchenyuk Stastny Lehkonen
Byron Danault Scherbak
Deslauriers Plek Shaw

Alzner Weber
Rielly Petry
Mete Juulsen

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15 Jun 2018 19:28:42
The 3rd overall doesn’t get you Larkin.

15 Jun 2018 19:32:26
Lol then what gets Larkin.

15 Jun 2018 21:06:57
After looking back it doesn't make sense for Chicago.

15 Jun 2018 21:15:22
Vbbvbb and you say I over value Hoffman lol ok bud that looks like an silence over value to me on Larkin lol.

15 Jun 2018 21:28:53
Why does everyone undervalue Larkin? Lol. Kid is a stud and last player/ piece Detroit would move.

16 Jun 2018 00:16:18
Larkin is 21 and the fastest player in the NHL. ( yes he beat McDavid ) he is easily Detroit’s best player and probably their future captain. He can drive a line better then any forward on Montreal. He is very good 1b Center right now and he’s posed for a break out season. He’s a sad mans Nathen Mackinnon.

16 Jun 2018 08:54:24
Lmao no he didn’t beat mcdavid he had a blueline to red line head start

16 Jun 2018 12:04:57
chicago gets hosed. why would they do this to end up with nyquist and dumba. patches couldn't get dumba i don't think. just so many questions here.

16 Jun 2018 14:06:22
For once I agree with wannabe hockey Jesus. Larkin never beat mcjesus.

Hoffman holds more value than Larkin dude just look at their stats. Hoffman has 4 to 5 55 plus point seasons where Larsen best season matches Hoffman's but after that he drops to 46 point the 30 something. it's not an under value it's called stating the facts.

16 Jun 2018 15:00:24
He still holds the higher time regardless but anyway Carl Haglin beat both of their times by far just wasn’t shown at an all star game. And what gets Larkin you ask? A similar talented player like Marner, Drais, Hischier, Boeser and Zach Werneski.

17 Jun 2018 02:24:22
All of those guys are rAnked above larsen by a lot right now dude sorry to disappoint but the might be able to pry a late 1st from someone for him at this point but that's it.

17 Jun 2018 15:17:20
would definitely do this from MTL POV and yes the 3OVA will get you larkin.

15 Jun 2018 18:46:36
Ott- Hoffman
EDM- Lucic + 10ova

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15 Jun 2018 19:19:44
Lol nice name. Not a chance in hell lucic waives to go to that dump of a team tho. No one who controls their own destiny with a No Trade or No Move Clause will waive to go there again. Even phaneuf wouldn’t waive last summer and hybhalfway through the year he was waiving to leave. Ppl were upset that turris took 6x6 in Nashville but turned down the same in Ottawa that Dorian claims he offered. No sh*t lol would you commit 6 years to them?!

15 Jun 2018 19:29:50
Agree with yup highly unlikely he waives as for trade value not bad.

15 Jun 2018 20:11:57
I agree that Lucic woudnt waive his ntc to come to ottawa . but we also don't want him. even if it comes w the 10th ovr.

15 Jun 2018 22:31:42
Hoffman is not worth that much.

17 Jun 2018 15:18:12
for hoffman you guys should definitely take that.

17 Jun 2018 15:19:22
I mean ottawa.

15 Jun 2018 10:50:16
2 trades for the Isles

1) Philipp Grubauer and Brooks Orpik for 2018 CGY 2nd (43rd OA)

NYI get a 1B goalie to challenge his conutryman Greiss for the starter's job. This competition should be useful. Orpik is a cap dumb. He lessens the value of Grubauer. Washington gets the cap space to re-sign Carlson and others, Isles solve their goalie issues relatively cheap.

2) Brooks Orpik (50% retained by NYI) for Matt Martin

The Leafs get rid of two years of Martin's contract in exchange for one year of Polak's replacement as the tough guy. This helps the Leafs cap-wise in the near future. The Isles re-unite the fourth line of Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck.

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15 Jun 2018 21:12:18
I’m sure there’s other teams that will offer more than Calgary will for Grubauer. I don’t think they need him bad enough to make the trade. Also they wouldn’t want to retain on Orpik and take Martins contract. Doesn’t make any sense for them.

15 Jun 2018 07:42:19
#1
To Toronto Maple Leafs
• Dougie Hamilton
• Sam Bennett
To Calgary Flames
• William Nylander
• 25th Overall Pick
• Connor Brown

#2

To Toronto Maple Leafs
• Mike Hoffman (guessing his value dropped a bit)
To Ottawa Senators
• Kasperi Kapanen
• 2nd Round Pick
• Joffrey Lupul

Resign James Van Riemsdyk and sign Calvin De Haan & Michael Grabner.

Mike Hoffman - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
James Van Riemsdyk - Sam Bennett - Zack Hyman
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Michael Grabner

Morgan Rielly - Dougie Hamilton
Jake Gardiner - Nikita Zaitsev
Calvin De Haan - Ron Hainsey

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15 Jun 2018 07:59:07
And what about the salary cap?

15 Jun 2018 08:51:49
I like the first deal but the leafs don’t need drama. Send Hoffman somewhere else. Kapanen is good and cheap. If given a chance in the top 6, I think he’ll be much better.

15 Jun 2018 11:07:09
Too lazy to check but I think Lupul's contract expired this season.

15 Jun 2018 11:21:25
Hahahahahahahaha I can't contain myself that trade is so bad lol please post another troll trade.

15 Jun 2018 12:51:50
Kappanen has more value then Hoffman. He’s the new E. Kane but older and worse defensively. What did E. Kane get? 2nd round pick.

15 Jun 2018 14:39:49
I think evander Kane got a 1st, 3rd (or 4th maybe) ans a prospect, but the first was conditional on him signing in San Jose which he did.

15 Jun 2018 16:05:28
That's how everyone else feels when you post Rambo!

Look at the joy you bring to the world. Kudos.

15 Jun 2018 16:52:15
Kapanen more value than Hoffman vbbvbb? Rofl in what world? And if any player in the league has negative value pupil is on of them. unlike Ryan lupuls contract is a lot more than a 2 million overpayment and he's never healthy and never produces.

15 Jun 2018 17:08:10
He hasn’t played in 2 years lol he’s retired Rambo. I would hope Ryan puts up more points haha.

15 Jun 2018 17:34:31
Refusing to be outdone, Rambo steals back the duncecap of ignorance by asserting that:

1. Lupul was still active in the NHL
2. Lupul has negative value because his contract (which ended this year) was too high (despite being on LTIR and not counting towards the salary cap.

You are a marvel.

15 Jun 2018 18:19:01
@unsportsmanlike, in all fairness, Rambo was right about one thing he said. “Lupul never produces”. That is as accurate a statement as I’ve ever seen on here lol.

15 Jun 2018 18:31:08
And while he was playing for Toronto he played 280 games with 88goals and 182 pts. That’s good for a .31 goals per game and a .65 pts per game. Mike Hoffman’s career with Ottawa is the exact same goals/ game at .31 and a .67 pts/ game.

So if lupul never produced, and has virtually identical numbers to Hoffman over the last 5 years of their career, what does that make him? Unless that .02 pts per game is the difference between a plug and a good player in your eyes lol.

16 Jun 2018 00:17:50
You are right it was a conditional 1st was thought to be a 2nd.

17 Jun 2018 15:13:52
I don't get why Toronto would trade a good young cost controlled top6/ 9 forward whos only getting better for a good top 6 winger whos cap is going to get higher ( salary bump for next contract) and stats are going to get worst. Nevermind adding the second rd pick.

15 Jun 2018 07:37:48
Everyone knows Lucic wants a change.
I’ve heard Hurricanes want to get grittier.
Oilers need to add a sweetener.

Oilers: Lucic + 10 Pick
Hurricanes: Skinner + 2nd round + Williams (cap dump)

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15 Jun 2018 08:53:03
I thought Lucic loved everything about being in Edmonton?

15 Jun 2018 14:52:46
Okay, so hurricanes give up a 26 year old top line winger who almost hit 40 goals a year ago and has averaged 30g/ 82 for his last 5 years, making $6 mill plus add in a high 2nd to take on lucic and get 10th overall?! Hahahaha

And I love how you have made sure to point out that Justin Williams with his 51 pts this season for 4.5mill and one year left is a cap dump but lucic and his 34 pts with 5 years at 6 mill is somehow an asset in all this lol get real.

15 Jun 2018 14:58:30
Teams have paid mid first round picks or top prospects to get rid of contracts that were better than lucics. Now lucic still probably has some game left, so there’s a bit of value there probably. So paying the 10th overall could rid you of him and maybe you could get a very small add back. A 26 year old 30 goal top line winger, 50 pt second line winger and a 2nd rounder is not a small add haha.

15 Jun 2018 07:23:50
PIT -
• Daniel Sprong
• Olli Maatta
• Jake Guentzel
• Carl Hagelin

OTT -
• Erik Karlsson (verbal agreement to sign with Pittsburgh before July 1st)

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15 Jun 2018 17:54:18
take off Guentzel off the deal for PIT and I'll believe it a bit more or add a draft pick from Ottawa because I like EK but he's not worth what you want.

17 Jun 2018 15:21:49
no from Ottawa dream on RickyD87 and Franchise Billy.

15 Jun 2018 05:02:45
Nothing groundbreaking here, just my hopes for the Leafs in the next two and a half weeks.

To TOR: Dougie Hamilton

To CAL: William Nylander

This has been floated out there for awhile but I think it really helps both teams. Hamilton would pair nicely with Rielly and would come cheaper than Carlson's projected salary. Nylander with Jankowski could form a dominant second line, leaving the 3M line in its proper place as the third line.

1st round - Leafs draft Ty Dellandrea at 25th. I actually believe this kid is the second best centre in the draft. If he played for the Soo he would be going ahead of Veleno.

2nd round - Leafs trade the 52nd pick, Pickard and Marincin for Detriot's 36th. Leafs draft best D man available (Woo, Lundqvist, Samuelsson, Beaudin).
Both of those players would make Detriot's team next year. I just really hope the Leafs do something to get a early 2nd round as picks 24 to 42 all seem to be interchangeable depending on the mock. Deep year

Free Agency

JVR signs for $6 mill x 7 years. Rumours are that he wants to stay so he takes a $1 mill haircut to do so. This also lessens the sting of losing Nylander

Joe Thornton signs a 2 year x $5 mill. Centres are lacking in FA this year. The Leafs need a third line centre so the Ontario boy joins his old buddy Marleau. Also this let's Dellandrea develop

New Lines:

Johnsson - Matthews - Hyman
Marleau - Kadri - Marner
JVR - Thornton - Kapenan
Martin - Lindholm - Brown

Rielly - Hamilton
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey

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15 Jun 2018 06:35:36
Thornton already said he wants to stay in San Jose and I can’t see him willingly taking a 3rd line role tbh.

Idk who the ty player is but Veleno wasn’t even on a good team so idk what playing for Soo has to do with anything if you’re a good player it shouldn’t matter what team you’re on but it does help to play with better players.

15 Jun 2018 07:18:41
Slot Thornton 2C and Toronto might have to add for Hamilton due to him being 24years old and he puts up good points for a defender not to mention he's a RHD. Calvin De Haan could be a good option come free agency over Dermott.

15 Jun 2018 07:44:02
Toronto would have to add a piece to get Nylander but I like it. Bozak can come cheaper than Thornton and is a perfect 3rd line Center that wins face offs and kills penalties.

15 Jun 2018 15:49:44
I doubt Hamilton is available unless it’s for quite an overpay but he’s what the Leafs need.

17 Jun 2018 15:30:47
If Taylor Hall and his success (point wise) in Edmonton only gets Adam Larsson. Then William Nylander with his limited success of 3 years NHL would still require a massive add to get Dougie Hamilton.

15 Jun 2018 00:11:20
Unlikely Scenario, but considering EK most likely wants out of OTT. what if.

Erik Karlsson to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Drew Doughty.

Maybe picks and prospects added in; maybe Rieder, Ladue + 2nd goes to Ottawa while Dzingel + Harpur go to LA. or something like that? I'd assume EK has more value than Doughty tho.

This is simply because finding a suitable trading partner for EK is hard. And finding a suitable trade for EK is also hard; if Ottawa is getting 'pieces' back, and not a 'star', they're losing the trade, plain and simple.

As for this, its simply that EK wants out of Ottawa, and Ottawa needs a completely fresh look, and Doughty could help with that,

For LA, after a couple years of failure, I would have to think they need a shakeup: losing to the Sharks, expansion Knights and not making the playoffs does such. Trading away their best player for an equal talent shakes the dynamic of the team, and may help to make LA a more offensive team, compared to the defensive style they played w Doughty.

And both players have 1 year term left, so that balances too.

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15 Jun 2018 06:38:04
I’m not sure If Doughty has any say in if he gets traded or not but there is 0% chance he will welcome a trade going to Ottawa. However if he doesn’t have any NMC well then sucks for him because i'm sure Kings take a good look if they can get EK.

15 Jun 2018 11:26:20
Even just doughty and a 2nd rounder for karlsson and a 4th rounder i could live with.

Mcjesus why wouldn't doughty want to come home to Canada? Pretty dumb comment.

15 Jun 2018 14:36:39
Because Ottawa is the worst Franchise in the nhl and belongs in the KHL.

15 Jun 2018 16:16:35
Why would Doughty not want to come to Ottawa? Are you that obtuse man?

The Senators are a raging dumpster fire at the moment. The owner is a cheapskate and consistently mettles in the operations to the detriment of the team. There are MULTIPLE scandals surrounding the team that are not going away anytime soon. The team is going to be hot garbgae next year and as it currently stands, will not have their own first round pick. They are the league's doormat.

Is Ottawa a nice place to live? Sure. Would any player looking for a chance to win in the near future want to play there? No. They are a joke.

15 Jun 2018 16:59:35
If MELNICK was as cheap Ryan wouldn't be making 7.25 right now and alfie and Heatley spezza wouldn't have gotten the contracts they did. that's just hear say. he's just a spoiled rich guy who acts like a fool and hired the wrong replacement for murray. Hoffman will likely be traded. Randy Lee if found guilty will be fired. drama gone.

They are far from worst team in league carolina has those rights atm.

15 Jun 2018 17:43:50
Lol um I’m not even going to answer why Doughty wouldn’t wanna play for Ottawa lol.

17 Jun 2018 15:14:05
He never said he wouodnt wanna come to Canada. He precised Ottawa. And i don't blame him I live in Ottawa and want out lol.

17 Jun 2018 22:53:07
When exactly did this happen colt66?

Because you don't have an answer mcbs.

 


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