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29 Nov 2018 21:11:41
Chicago: Keith +2nd
toronto: Gardiner, Kapenen, 3rd

Chicago: Anisimov
NJD: 3rd, 5th

Chicago: Crawford+ 3rd
Philly: Hart +2nd

Chicago: Seabrook (50% Retained)
Boston: Vladar + 2nd.

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29 Nov 2018 23:23:25
Why is Philly giving the better pick with Hart?!

30 Nov 2018 00:04:04
Toronto shouldn't take Keith contract, and Kapanen is at an all time high in value.

New Jersey may do that, but they have decently good centre depth (Hischier/ Zajac/ McLeod/ Zacha/ / Boyle) and ZAjac is a huge contract altogether, probably don't want Anisimov as well.

Philly is bankinh on Hart, i don't think they take a gamble on an older goalie for him.

And idk about the last one. Seabrook at 50 is decent imo.

30 Nov 2018 00:48:29
Interesting you bringing up Keith what with the discussion about Pietrangelo below. Less than 2 years ago Keith came 4th in Norris trophy voting. Now nobody believes he is anywhere near top 50 even and that once sweet contract of his is a boat anchor. It just shows how fast a player can fall down the rankings and deteriorate in performance. Another great example is Karlsson. Once considered the best defenseman in the world not long ago, Karlsson should not be taken seriously as a top 10 defender in the NHL anymore.

I guess age eventually captures up with everyone.

29 Nov 2018 21:04:57
Tor: Nylander +2nd
Washington: Bowey+Vrana +eller (to balance salary? )

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29 Nov 2018 19:21:21
Winnipeg: Matthieu Perreault, 3rd round pick
Chicago: Duncan Keith, Chicago retains 1.54 of Keith's salary

Duncan goes home to Winnipeg.

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29 Nov 2018 21:02:50
no way. keith could get way more than perreault and a 3rd. especially with salary retained.

29 Nov 2018 21:16:58
The trade is fair but the Jets say no because Keith has too long a term left for a 35 year old on the down slope of a great career.

29 Nov 2018 21:59:13
No from the Jets. They wouldn't want any part of Meeting Keith's contract.

29 Nov 2018 18:47:37
After signing W. Nylander.

Blues Trade
Steen
Barbashev
Sundqvist

Leafs Trade
Ennis
FGauthier
Leivo
1st Round Pick 2019

Blues retain 50% of Steen's remaining 3yr contract.

Leafs then option Justin Holl to the Minors.

Leafs Lineup.

Steen
Matthews
WNylander

Hyman
Tavares
Marner

Marleau
Kadri
Kapanen

AJohnsson
PLindholm
CBrown


Rielly
Hainsey

Gardiner
Zaitsev

Dermott
Ozhiganov


FAndersen
Sparks


Barbashev
Sundqvist
Marincin


Thoughts ?

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29 Nov 2018 19:24:58
Take out barbashev and keep leivo ennis and you have a deal.

29 Nov 2018 21:28:17
#redwing1 I would do that so Trade breakdown is

Steen-Ennis, Leivo,1st Rounder
Sundqvist-FGauthier

Then the Blues could ship Maroon for a Prospect and Pick.

30 Nov 2018 01:33:48
No I meant remove barbashev ennisleivo

S o
Steen sundqvuist

Gathuier 1st round pick.

29 Nov 2018 18:42:48
Blues Trade
Steen
Barbashev
Sundqvist

Leafs Trade
Ennis
FGauthier
Leivo
1st Round Pick 2019

Blues also retain 50% of Steen's remaining contract.

Thoughts ?

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29 Nov 2018 16:31:48
WPG: Trouba, Little, 2nd Round Pick 2019, Harkins
PHI: Provorov, Patrick

Flyers get a solid #1 RHD that can contribute offensively and defensively. They get a #2 C to play behind Couturier as well as add a lower level prospect and a draft pick. Could be very beneficial to their team for this year.

Jets solve the Trouba problem and get a promising RHD that can play with Morrisey on the top pair. Also add a younger C from Winnipeg with a ton of potential. Jets extend their window to contend by adding younger cheaper players.

Overall both teams aren't living up to expectations. This trade could be beneficial to both and could help for now and the future.

Thoughts?

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29 Nov 2018 17:29:43
Easy no from philly. They have complete control over those players for years to come. Little is a decent player but overpaid and Trouba has only a year left before another tough negotiation. Provorov will be better than Trouba and Patrick has a great chance at being far better than Little. I wouldn’t think about that if I were philly and the perks were Harkins and a 2nd rounder.

29 Nov 2018 18:09:04
I would think the Flyers would want a C closer to making it to the NHL if they are moving Patrick. Provorov and Trouba are close, but Philly would probably rather stay with the cheaper guy rather than add a large contract. I can't see Philly replacing to entry level contacts with two big contacts.

29 Nov 2018 18:43:04
Trouba is worth half of Provorov imo and Little and a second and Harkins doesn't get u the other half of Provorv and Patrick.

29 Nov 2018 18:46:25
Is this a joke trade? Because Philly doesn't even consider this. I often joke about GM’s hanging up and blocking other GM’s numbers but this is so far away from being a good trade that I can actually see it happening.

29 Nov 2018 21:40:22
The Jets won't be trading Trouba until the draft if he remains unsigned. The Flyers are on a list of a dozen teams that would want a #1 right shot d-man so the Jets will see what they can get for him then.

29 Nov 2018 16:20:28
WPG: Little
PHI: Patrick

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29 Nov 2018 17:36:03
What incentive does philly have to do that? Patrick is younger, cheaper, has a higher ceiling and they are not a contender.

29 Nov 2018 17:36:31
Yeah. a 20 year old 2nd overall draft pick from 2017 for a 31 year old who actually had less points than the 20 year old last year. You’re clueless. Please never post a trade again.

29 Nov 2018 18:10:30
No incentive for the Flyers to do this at all. I also highly doubt the Flyers are ready to give up on Patrick.

29 Nov 2018 18:44:20
Now I get why u thought you're other proposal was fair. U think Little and Patrick have the same value! Lol Patrick is easily worth Trouba himself.

29 Nov 2018 19:00:35
I’m assuming since Arizona gave up on strome so quickly, a very underwhelming return for 19 and 20 year old top picks is the new ‘trade de jour’? One mistake doesn’t set the new value. Not with contracts and certainly not with trades. Ppl recognize other GMs mistakes and learn from them, not replicate them.

29 Nov 2018 21:35:23
The Jets would have to add a young player or two with grit and toughness that the Flyers want and need. I'm not sure what player or players the Flyers would want added but the Jets have a few untouchables.

29 Nov 2018 05:39:59
Leafs trade Marner, Kadri, Gardiner, 2x1st
St. Louis trades Tarasenko, Pietrangelo, Husso, Thomas

Marleau/ Matthews/ Nylander
Hyman/ Tavares/ Tarasenko
Johnsson/ Thomas/ Kapanen
Lindholm/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Rielly/ Pietrangelo
Dermott/ Zaitsev
Hainsey/ Ozhiganov
(Sandin/ Liljegren)

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29 Nov 2018 06:24:08
Are you high.

You want a 40 goal scorer, our young 1c potential center, our best defenseman elite top 10 Dman, and our best goalie prospect for

Marner and crap.

Stupid bad.

29 Nov 2018 07:18:29
Big changes coming to St. Louis.

Marner ~ Tarasenko
Kadri > Thomas + Husso
Gardiner + 2x1st = Pietrangelo

I forgot Brown somewhere, you guys can have him too.

Kadri is 30 goal scorer, 60+ points. A far superior player to Thomas, he helps St. Louis immediately and at low cost.

Gardiner is near-elite offensive defenseman on pace for over 40 points again himself. Hardly crap.

Brown is a solid depth player that can get 15-20 goals and 30+ points. Hardly crap.

The first are what they are.

St. Louis is in a world of hurt. Trading Thomas and Husso doesn’t even affect them. They lose Tarasenko and Pietrangelo, who they might lose anyway since they are so tight against cap I have difficult time seeing them re-sign him.

All those moves in the summer. All that money spent, and they still suck. This trade gives them an injection of offense right away and some futures to go with.

29 Nov 2018 09:16:37
Leafs add Mathews, then maybe it's fair.

29 Nov 2018 09:29:10
@redwing

Jake Gardiner
Rank#31, 49.2%, 1G8, 9a, 10pts, +4, 24blk, 26hits, 14tk, 24gv

Pietrangelo
Rank#30, 48%cf, 4g, 6a, 10pts, -6, 58blk, 20 hit, 16tk, 16gv

And it’s not just this year either. Gardiner and Pietrangelo have had almost identical stats the last three years.

Kadri is everything St. Louis hopes Thomas will be. An outstanding player and on a team friendly contract. It’s not like Thomas has been setting any records or is even a Calder candidate.

There’s actually a lot going for this trade. You get immediate and significant help up front, you shore up LD, which is really weak, plus you get futures to replace your prospects.

But coming from someone who thinks Parayko is worth Nylander + Sandin + Liljegren, I’m not surprised by your flippant attitude. Maybe I could take you more seriously if you actually had realistic expectations about what your players are worth.

29 Nov 2018 10:58:30
Wouldn’t trade Marner alone for that. Marner>>>>Mathews and Tavares.

29 Nov 2018 11:12:09
Marner> Tarasenko

Kadri> Thomas

Pietro>Gardiner

2 first>>>>>>Husso

I'm the biggest leafs hater on this site hands down, but even I see how this is in favor of St Louis if anything. Marner is worth . ore then Tarasenko based on aged.

29 Nov 2018 12:37:44
This is stupid.

29 Nov 2018 12:56:41
Nah colt, come on, you only see things from the Blues pov and can't see that the rest of the package ain't ‘crap’. Naz is worth more than Thomas, petros worth more than gardiner, the two 1sts kinda make up the diff and by now, marner and senko are a wash, hell, with age and production, people may take marner.

29 Nov 2018 13:24:11
Boom boom I think a couple others may have you beat on that claim. I don’t know a lot about Thomas and Husso but you admitted yourself colt that you are a homer. Kadri is far from crap, add in his cap hit makes him that much more valuable. I’m a StLouis fan, I actually thought they’d be contenders this year but something has to change.

29 Nov 2018 14:33:44
the fact you don't know a lot about Thomas shows your ignorance.

petro is top 10 dman in league. Elite dman.
Tarasenko is a 40 goal scorer
Thomas is one of the highest rated center prospects/ rookies. Former ppg in ohl, Ohl playoff mvp and made the nhl at 19.
Husso best goalie prospect the blues have highly rated.

So basically you want to gut the blues best defenseman, best scorer, Best center prospect and best goalie prospect for A ufa defenseman (who sucks at defense), A glorified 2c, Marner (only thing worth anything) and 2 29-31st late round firsts.

That's a solid hell no. Yeah I am a homer. Name one person on this site that isn't. Honestly you cant. This trade is bad for the blues. If you are rebuilding, Which isn't the case yet, You don't trade your top prospects and rookie centers for old people and picks. You just don't do that.

You want to Do petro for marner or tarasenko for marner. Then you can argue that. But late round firsts, ufas and old 2cs are not needed. Don't sit here and claim your offer makes sense when it doesnt.

29 Nov 2018 14:37:57
want to make a trade that helps blues and Leafs here you go.

Parayko, Kostin, jaybo, 3rd

for

Kapenan, Sandin, Liljgren

There don't be a homer. Blues get young redundant player now have room to sign nylander. Get the top pairing young dman with term. and a 3rd pick. Blues also get two young good d prospects that will help fill the void parayko causes.


Keep the rest of the crap out of the trade. Either blues make hockey trade to shake it up a bit which means its even both ways or they blow up and rebuild. Both of these scenarios don't include getting redundant pieces or ufas, (kadri, Gardnier)

29 Nov 2018 15:07:51
You are funny Colt. I tKe Marner anyday. And funny, a coach who loves defensive dmen loves Gardiner. I wonder why. And you include jbo in an offer. Talk about useless.

29 Nov 2018 15:54:03
Also in what world would you have Tarasenko on the second line under nylander who hasn't played a game yet this season. This alone only shows how delusional you really are.

29 Nov 2018 16:00:27
I didn’t propose the deal or say it was fair, therefore me saying I don’t know a lot about Thomas is honest, not ignorant. . I just said that you’re a homer, which you admitted yourself. I also said Kadri is not crap. Don’t let colt come out, you’re much nicer as redwing. I also said I’m a fan of StLouis.

29 Nov 2018 16:30:10
Show me one web site where Pietrangelo is rated top 10. Because right off the top of my head I can think of at least 12-15 guys who are better.

Maybe if you can back up your claims I would be able to take you more serious. Right now you’re just blowing hot air.

29 Nov 2018 17:44:06
Jaybo was added as dead weight that would fall off at the end of the year. If we were taking Nylander. But in general.

29 Nov 2018 18:52:55
Did I specifically call you out. If you think Petro isn't top ten or you are saying he isn't elite, then your high brah. Blowing hot air, yeah ok. This proposal sucks, It would never happen. Petro is top 10 in the league, He may be having an off year but 1 year out of 9 years doesn't demean his value. I found 4 sites in 5 minutes where alex p was in top ten. So your just a bias idiot. At least I can admit it.

Hockey news has him ranked 9th
https://goo.gl/uBSLaQ

wosports.com has him ranked 5th
https://goo.gl/KZjV88

NHL18 ratings Alex P 10th
https://goo.gl/Z4Q4Yh

NHL network top 20 nhl dmen Alex P 9th
https://goo.gl/1m23qW

29 Nov 2018 19:45:35
Okay, you did what he asked and found some examples but I’m still laughing at NHL18 ratings being a source. First of all it’s a video game, secondly it would be a year and a half old. And the one list you put has Ryan Suter at #2 ahead of doughty. enough said.

29 Nov 2018 19:52:56
So leafsGM do you take what you said back. Are you going to admit i was right?

Also Leafs17 if you think this trade is fair then you are a homer as well. At least i can admit i am. In all honesty every person on this site is bias towards their team if you say you are not then you are Bias and a liar.

29 Nov 2018 19:59:24
Also, if you think one bad year doesn’t demean a great players value, just ask the Ottawa Senators and ask Erik Karlsson, because I’ve watched him play 6 or 7 times this season and after getting an underwhelming trade return, I’m not so sure the 8x $11 mill he was offered in Ottawa will still be there for him in July because he’s been far below average by his standards. He was right at or near the top of all those lists you presented.

I like Petro and think he’s an elite Dman but the package in this trade is not all crap as you suggest. However this trade is so far fetched that it doesn’t really matter what the return was, it’s not going to happen.

Still using EA Sports NHL player ratings as a source cracked me up though, so thank you 😊.

29 Nov 2018 20:34:43
I’d do the Kappanen trade in a heartbeat.

29 Nov 2018 21:29:57
Those lists are also outdated. All of them projections and were assembled before season starts. NHL. com is where I got my rankings from as well. It’s updated on a weekly bases and reflects current performance standards. Not expectations. So even the NHL list you provided here is meaningless.

29 Nov 2018 21:31:20
I can’t believe you used a hockey game for reference. Lmao.

30 Nov 2018 00:35:26
I grabed the fits four articles that posted. You asked me to find 1 and i did. Lol your such a tool you can't even admit when your wrong. Lol

Keep dreaming, hope your defense holds up. best of luck.

29 Nov 2018 21:22:10
I had like 5 mins left on lunch literally all four of those were in the first search. I am sure if i had time i could produce more. But NHL and Hockeywriters rankings are legit which he was respectively 9 and 10 in. Also ottowa Screwed the pooch, Alienated him and wouldn't pay him what he deserved, They also didn't get value for hoffman. So is that the market or dorian being an idiot.

29 Nov 2018 04:40:53
Leafs trade Nylander, Kadri, Sandin, 2x1st
Philadelphia trades Provorov, Patrick, Hart

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Patrick/ Brown
Lindholm/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Rielly/ Hainsey
Provorov/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
*Ozhiganov

Gardiner gets traded to whoever wants him for a 1st to recoup one of our picks. It would likely be a better pick than our 1st anyway.

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29 Nov 2018 05:01:30
Remove kadri and Patrick and 1 1st rounder to start.

29 Nov 2018 05:52:08
Nylander, Sandin, 1st for Provorov and Hart? I don’t think Philly does that.

I tried to put up an overwhelming offer here.

The big risk is that Patrick takes a little longer than hoped to reach potential. Playing on Leafs should help speed up his development though.

29 Nov 2018 07:55:01
Nope, Philly don't take that either. Just a start to breakdown the salary issues.

29 Nov 2018 09:38:26
Philly has $8M in cap space. We can take Lehtera as cap dump. That should be more than enough to make it work.

29 Nov 2018 14:06:23
Provorov is much better than any Leaf in that offer.

29 Nov 2018 16:32:43
@memarcusjoe

What are you doing on this thread? This wasn’t a Winnipeg trade. Lol.

That package is overwhelming and you know it. Kadri >>> Patrick. And all the rest of the pieces easily equals Provorov. If Hextall refuses a trade like this he should be fired. Oh wait. Too late. Maybe if he made this trade he would still have his job.

29 Nov 2018 17:48:31
Nylander gets Patrick. Kadri, Sandin and a first gets Provorov, that leaves 1 first for Hart? Not even close, Philly says no.

29 Nov 2018 18:18:37
LeafsGM,
It may not be a bad offer value wise, but you are not offering them anything to replace Provorov. Sandin is alright, but I would think they want Liljegren. Plus they would have to take an overpaid Nylander as well. It's not just about getting the most value it is also about value for the dollar.

29 Nov 2018 18:45:04
LeafsGm

Patrick>>Kadri.

29 Nov 2018 18:52:17
Actually, I was thinking

Kadri + 1st = Patrick + Hart
Nylander + Sandin + 1st = Provorov

But if you want to value it differently is fine. And by all means, remove Hart and one 1st from the deal and what you have left is still a damn good trade for both teams.

Kadri is way more valuable right now than Patrick. He’s looking good, but is pretty far removed from the hype surrounding him when he was drafted. He is probably going to work out well, but still a big risk from Toronto trading a 30+ goal scoring center for a sophomore who is putting up mediocre numbers.

29 Nov 2018 20:45:33
Bad for Philly
Patrick=Kadri
Hart=Sandin And a 1st
Provorov>>> Nylander And 1st.

29 Nov 2018 21:56:13
@vb

This is where we have to agree to disagree, because imo, Patrick is definitely not equal to Kadri. Kadri is everything Philly hopes Patrick turns into. A 30 goal scorer who can play all aspects of the game and is on a good contract. Kadri is immediate and significant help without waiting for development. Philly needs to improve and this trade would do that.

@memarcusjoe

Philly already has Sanheim, who is doing very well this year. They also have Morin and Gonning, and now would have Sandin as well. I think Philly has enough defensemen they will be ok. I actually wasn’t even going to include Sandin at first, but couldn’t think of anyone else that would work (we need Liljegren and none of our forward prospects are all that great) .

I knew these were both good proposals when I floated them. And what I mean by good is that I knew they would get the discussion going. Both threads got a lot of attention.

28 Nov 2018 20:27:49
Chicago: anisimov
Washington: 3rd round pick

Chicago: Seabrook (25% Retained)
ottawa: Wolanin or Gagne

Chicago: Crawford + 2020 2nd
Buffalo: Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen.

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28 Nov 2018 20:54:26
Washington absolutely cannot afford the Anisimov trade without losing salary.

Ottawa re-building seems like a strange destination to send an aging and deteriorating Seabrook.


Buffalo already has 32 year old Hutton. They may be looking to replace him, but not with Crawford, who would make for very expensive backup, or 1b tandem.

28 Nov 2018 22:22:33
what would you suggest for alternate destinations for anisimov and seabrook then? and i think the buffalo deal is fair, maybe send back hutton for another piece as well?

28 Nov 2018 23:19:57
Think anisimov would be a good fit in Washington, but ya, they only projected have a few hundred thousand dollars at the deadline. Always thought Edmonton would be a good spot Seabrook. But that would probably mean probably 50% retention. he's worth more than 3.5mil now but not when he's 38-39-40, he's already lost a step so its going to be ugly in a few years, never mind 5-6 years.

29 Nov 2018 00:50:39
Hutton and Ullmark are a huge reason for Buffalo success right now. Not a chance they trade one right now.

29 Nov 2018 02:35:47
Seabrook is untradable unless it’s for Lucic.

29 Nov 2018 03:57:24
Anisimov to New Jersey Devils for 3rd round pick; salary Dump and devils have cap room.

29 Nov 2018 04:45:33
Forget the untradable Seabrook for now and consider Duncan Keith while there is a chance to move him.

 


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