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09 Oct 2018 20:46:40
Canucks guddy retain 1.5

Nashville fabbro

Nashville could use a big strong dman what not afraid of anyone and plays good on the pk all tho not the greatest 5 on 5

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09 Oct 2018 22:22:30
Yes because Nashville doesnr have good defense and should def trade for another, especially giving up a first round prospect.

09 Oct 2018 23:58:20
Yeah, a defensman is the last thing Nashville needs to add. Easy no.

10 Oct 2018 00:01:27
Last thing Preds need is D . best in the biz. . and Fabbro is a highly rated prospect to join this group in a couple years.

10 Oct 2018 00:29:22
@topshelfslappers

But Gudbranson was drafted first round too. Doesn’t that count for anything? Lol. I’m loving it. You’re response was perfect.

@purplefart

It’s hard enough to take you serious with a username like that. It’s impossible to take you serious when you keep posting proposals like this. It’s a real stinker.

10 Oct 2018 05:37:09
Purpleshart strikes again.

09 Oct 2018 14:25:33
Once Kase is back from his concussion:
To Anaheim:
Nylander, Brown, Zaitsev
To Leafs:
Manson, Kase

Nylander goes over to replace Perry long term, and Anaheim can either keep Perry on LTIR or deal him

Deadline deal:
To Columbus
Gardiner (extension), Marincin, Moore, 2019 2nd
To Leafs:
Savard, Milano

Lines
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Marleau/Matthews/Kase
Johnsson/Kadri/Kapanen
Milano/Lindholm/Leivo
*Goat, Ennis
Rielly/Manson
Dermott/Savard
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Posted this on the leafs rumours site but I wanted more opinions on it

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09 Oct 2018 16:23:20
The Columbus deal would have to happen first so we have Savard to replace Zaitsev when we trade him. Otherwise we short ourselves at RHD again. Granted, Manson is better than Zaitsev. But we need someone to compliment him, not replace him.

The Anaheim deal looks pretty good. Not sure Anaheim will be wanting to move Kase though. They need all the forwards they can get.

The Columbus deal looks like it favours the Leafs. Let’s just say for arguments sake if, and it’s a big if, Gardiner = Savard, then I don’t feel the rest of what you are offering is equal to Milano. He said going to be a real stud. Marincin is garbage. Moore is half decent prospect, and the 2nd May never work out. For Milano you would have to be willing to give up a decent NHL player who can contribute immediately.

I like all the guys you suggested. Lineups look good. With a little tweaking, I think you have the right idea.

09 Oct 2018 17:06:02
Couldn’t we just do this until the Savard trade
Rielly/ Manson
Gardiner/ Hainsey
Dermott/ Ozhiganov
*Holl, Marincin
I mean Hainsey already has top 4 experience and he can cover for Gardiner’s mistakes so why not?

09 Oct 2018 17:11:15
Also, I know Anaheim won’t want to move Kase, which is why I send back Brown as well, so they are actually getting 2 forwards back for 1
Milano isn’t going to be that good, he is playing 4th line right now and is basically a replacement of Brown, if anything I would add Leivo because we already have Ennis.

09 Oct 2018 17:50:52
Pretty sure anahiem doesn't have the cap room to do this. Unless they plan to waive kesler and perry when they get back from injury. Then this deal turns into perry kesler manson kase for nylander brown and zaitsev which I don't think they even consider.

09 Oct 2018 18:47:31
Brown+Zaitsev=6.6mill
Manson+Kase=6.7mill
That cancels out
Nylander=Perry
The whole point of this deal for Anaheim is to have a long term replacement for Perry, his contract is more then Nylander’s will be so when Perry gets back, the ducks can deal him as well for defence, you could say the ducks win this deal by a landslide
They don’t have to do anything with Kessler.

09 Oct 2018 18:54:42
Sorry I meant to say defence prospects, not defence because that would also mess with the cap.

09 Oct 2018 20:01:04
One more thing, and I know this will start a heated conversation
Gardiner is better, actually WAY better then Savard
He has WAY more trade value, especially with an extension
Gardiner-52 points in 82 games (not injury prone), +9 playing with Zaitsev, $4.05 mill salary
Savard-16 points and +2 in 81 games (not injury prone) last year, $4.25 mill salary
Who would you rather have?
Answer: Gardiner

Just because Gardiner gives up the puck a bit more then average doesn't mean he is a bad defender, all of you act like he is Ryan Murray, which isn't even close in comparison.
Plus most of the time when he does cough up the puck, he recovers it, the Boston game was just an example of what can happen if he coughs it up to one of the best lines in the league and can't recover, which would happen to any normal, or even elite defenceman.

I honestly think this deal is more fair and realistic:
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension), maybe a "guy" (Marincin, Goat)
To Leafs:
Nutivaara, Milano

But obviously you all don't think he is worth $6 million dollars

Every layer has flaws, but the thing about Gardiner's is that he makes one, recovers the puck, and gets an assist, goal, or makes a beauty pass after, you have to look past his flaws and you can really see what a special ELITE $6 million plus player he really is, he deserves to be treated that way.

The only reason I'm trading this guy so much is because the leafs can't afford his contract next year, but they could afford Nutivaara's, which is looking like a much better trade right now then the Savard (who looks like he is declining in skill) deal.

09 Oct 2018 21:54:24
Gardiner definitely has more value then savard you may not like Gardiner but the reality is Numbers don’t lie.

09 Oct 2018 22:35:06
If they can trade perry. But that's a big IF.

09 Oct 2018 23:06:27
@Habby, your not wrong, it is an if, but if it came down to Perry or Nylander, who would you rather have?
Also, I can see Perry being like a Rick Nash from last year, lots of injuries and a high contract but he puts up points, so maybe Boston trades one of their picks and prospects for him to fill the hole on their right wing side, or a team like Columbus if they lose Panarin may ask about him, or a playoff hopeful like Buffalo who wants to up their offence and maybe trade a guy like Alex Nylander to do it, just a few examples of who would be interested.

09 Oct 2018 23:23:14
I think Anaheim views Kase as a potential long term Perry replacement. I personally think he’s undervalued here and Anaheim is very high on him. Gardiner has more value than Savard, and numbers may not lie but can be deceiving. got to look at Gardiners future output on a team that isn’t Toronto as what he did before Matthews Marner and Nylander, and those numbers are very different.

10 Oct 2018 00:01:23
Yeah, Perry won’t be easy to trade. That’s a big dollar amount attached to an aging player who will be coming of a serious injury.

10 Oct 2018 00:23:22
Anaheim will never be able to trade either Perry or Kessler.

Gardiner and savard are two completely different style players. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. The only thing they have in common is their job title. Except Savard can actually play defense. The only reason Gardiner has 52 points is a + player is because of the forwards in front of him. For most of his career until the likes of Matthews, Marner, and co. came along, Gardiner was deep in the minus. Gardiner is a beneficiary of having such a talented forward group to play with now, not the other way around.

10 Oct 2018 00:48:53
No Gardiner was a minus because he played for the worst team in the league, then when he joined an actual playoff team, he played like a normal defenceman would.

10 Oct 2018 03:01:33
@ mostleaf obviously I'd rather nylander lol. That isn't the point plus the perry situation is nothing like nash was last year. Nash was a pending ufa perry has 2 more years after this one at 8.5 mil. The only way the ducks can trade him is if they take back someone else on a hefty contract and therefore they would still be over the cap like I said.

10 Oct 2018 12:49:13
Anyone else just cringe after reading LeafsGMs analyst of Gardiner. +/ - is team star and the leafs had the worst team in the nhl Gardiner can’t win him self.

09 Oct 2018 04:09:21
I'll give a few cracks at some Nylander proposals but I believe he'll resign to something similar to Pasta/Ehlers he belongs in that tier. I think a lot of people underrate him because he's shadowed by Mathews and Marner ( now Tavares ) I think he is better then Ehlers and he has PPG potential in him. Still only 22.

Toronto: William Nylander

Arizona: Jacob Chychrun,Hudson Fasching And 2nd 2019

Obviously Arizona gets someone to contend with Keller for the best forward and brings excitement to a pretty boring team. Chychrun can replace Gardiner on the 2nd pairing for Next season but for this season the leafs can play him on the right hand side.

Anaheim: William Nylander

Toronto: Ondrej Kase And 1st 2019

Leafs get a capable replacement with more of a scoring touch and a 1st. Anaheim gets a fresh Dynamic player who IMO who would mesh extremely well with Rakel and Getzlaf. He'd be an PPG+ threat could possibly lead the Ducks in points. Obviously a player like Manson and Montour but that topic has already been discussed.

Toronto: William Nylander

Vegas: Nate Schmite

Vegas gets the more skilled Dynamic player Toronto gets the Player they need aside from being right handed. Personally I don't think Vegas part with him tho.

Don't think he'll get traded to a eastern conference team IMO the last thing the leafs need is Nylander developing into a 90 point player who absolutely terrorizes the leafs for years to come.

Thoughts?

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09 Oct 2018 04:26:27
I don’t want any of those packages. Obviously Nate Schmidt is really good and would be nice, but doesn’t fit our need of RHD. If you’re not filling the biggest hole on the team, why trade a 22 year old that you feel could score 90pts? (that’s pretty hopeful I think)

09 Oct 2018 04:30:18
You can forget about Schmidt. The steroid using cheat that got caught and is suspended for 1/ 4 of the season. Schmidt brings nothing to the table we don’t already have except extra scrutiny and judgement. Why on earth would Leafs even consider taking on someone so unprofessional?

09 Oct 2018 05:20:02
Haha that’s goofy some of the greatest athletes of all time used steroids when looking at football and baseball. He had the highest toi in the playoffs. No dman on Toronto can effectively play a 40 minute game Schmite can when you get into those double OT games.

09 Oct 2018 05:20:42
90 points is also hopeful but you never know.

09 Oct 2018 06:55:11
Vb. I don't think Phoenix would want to trade Chychrun.
I think Nylander has more value than Schmidt. and Kase and 1st . no thanks.

Chris Tanev, and 2nd from Canucks
For Nylander.
Ya, it's an overpayment for Tanev, but seems like you have to overpay for a Dman these days.
If you can think of a small add on from Canucks. even better.
I also see a high point ceiling for Nylander. somewhere between 80 to 90 is possible in the right situation.

09 Oct 2018 13:12:48
That's a pretty harsh condemnation for Schmidt given that from what I read had no idea he was taking a banned substance and he had so little of it in his system it would have had zero impact on his performance.

Cut the guy some slack . he's not Slava Voynov.

09 Oct 2018 14:21:56
Your giving up way too much in the Vegas Deal, Nylander for a pending UFA defenceman who was suspended for 20 games? Leafs say no. Maybe if it’s Miller and Tuch your getting the leaf consider it, but no way in this deal. I don’t think Schmidt is bad or was given a suspension that seems too long, it’s just he isn’t going to get you Nylander.
The Anaheim one ain’t bad, but I would much rather have a defencman like Manson or Montour coming back if we deal Nylander, leafs want to contend, Kase may help but he has a concussion so you never know how he may pan out
Arizona one isn’t bad but again leafs don’t need LD, they need a RD so leafs pass.

09 Oct 2018 15:39:11
I don’t see how someone doesn’t know how he had a banned substance in his body. Not possible in my eyes. And this whole equivalent to a drop in the ocean thing is bull as well. These hormones and steroids are extremely poserful, and all it takes is a tiny amount to get results. Add to that the fact that he had probably taken a cycle months before testing and it just hadn’t come out of his system yet and you get a positive result. If it looks like a cheat, it is a cheat. Comparing him to steroid using athletes in other sports isn’t even a worthwhile comparison. In baseball especially we have seen the MLB crack down on cheats. Players getting long term suspensions and even not having their records recognized and in some cases, denied entry to HOF.

Schmidt isn’t even a very good defenseman. Even if he wasn’t caught and suspended, he still isn’t worth Nylander. He brings nothing to the table except extra scrutiny. It would be a media frenzy in Toronto should he join the team. I can’t think of any reason why Dubas would trade for him.

09 Oct 2018 16:07:47
Man like I said he can play 40 minutes a night with the hardest minutes he’s not exactly a offensively gifted dman but he does the little things right. Personally I’d love Slava Voynov but i doubt the leafs would take him.

09 Oct 2018 16:10:03
Ok wild theory here, do you think he was bitten by a bug (like a mosquito) that may have contracted the steroids from another person? I mean it seems like a possibility since the amount found in his body was so small.

09 Oct 2018 16:25:50
Of course he can play 40 minutes a night. He’s on steroids.

09 Oct 2018 21:59:49
Lol I know I know people on steroids but they can’t 40 min a night in the NHL. Have you ever taken steroids? If not you can’t really comment on on the effects unless if you have a Phd in Medicine. The reality is he’d be the leafs best defensive Dman last season he was by far the Knights best dman.

09 Oct 2018 03:39:49
Not my idea, someone on the Leafs forum has floated it a couple times, but I like it, so wanted to float it here and see what the professional armchair gms on this site think.

Leafs trade Horton, Leivo (or 3rd)
Arizona trades Bolland

Bolland contract is finished after this year, while Horton still has one more year left This clears us of Horton’s contract before we have to re-sign Matthews and Marner. For doing us this favor, we send Arizona a player and/ or pick of some sort.

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09 Oct 2018 04:10:26
Arizona probably dosent want to pay for that contract.

09 Oct 2018 04:35:37
LTIR takes care of both those contracts for cap space so I don’t see why we would give an asset to swap them. I know that LTIR only starts at seasons start, but we are allowed to be 10% over the cap for the summer. So that’s minimum $8mill over next summer, not an issue.

Secondly, Hortons contract, due to his previous back and shoulder problems, was uninsurable at time of signing. So the leafs pay his salary fully out of pocket. Bollands contract was insured meaning that insurance company pays around 85% of it. Leafs can afford to pay $5.3 mill cash per year for a guy not to play which is why CBJ made that deal to begin with. You aren’t just asking Coyotes to take on an extra year, you are asking their ownership to pay $10.6 million (2 years at $5.3) out of their own pocket instead of $825k (15% of $5.5mill) . If I’m that owner, I’m not doing that for Josh Leivo or a 3rd rounder.

09 Oct 2018 04:51:45
@unbiasedjim

You must know LTIR only kicks in after the season starts. We want Matthews and Marner signed before then.

09 Oct 2018 04:54:17
I said the same thing too though Jim. How much is a pick worth I’m $$ terms. So maybe a better pick or prospect player.

Because Horton counts against cap before season starts, we have issues signing M&M. With Horton off the books entirely, we have his extra $5M available to us so we don’t go over before season start and incur penalty.

09 Oct 2018 05:09:50
Sorry Jim. I’m pretty tired and not explaining myself properly. I know you are more knowledgeable than I am at this whole cap management thing. We can be 10% over for summer, but have to be under cap before start of season yes? Which means we have to dump salary somewhere to make us fit before season start next year or we face a penalty. This seemed like an easy way to give us the room we need without pushing us over. Not sure what the $$ value of a pick is.

Lets say Arizona makes this trade next summer. We remove Bolland and insert someone else coming our way (7th) . Now Arizona is paying $5M for a pick. What round pick would you be willing to pay $5M for? A 2nd maybe?

I’m going to bed. Will read your response in morning. Again, sorry for not explaining myself properly here.

09 Oct 2018 13:12:28
Your reasoning makes sense, however LTIR is allowed to be used on top of the 10% over during the off-season as long as the team can provide doctors proof that the player will remain injured and on LTIR for atleast 10 games (24 days) once the season starts. That wouldn’t be an issue for the leafs with Horton. S0 they will have near $12 mill space over the cap whole working out contracts with Mitch and Matthews.

09 Oct 2018 15:32:27
@unbiasedjim

Ok. I get it now. That actually clears things up. I didn’t know about the carryover into the season if the player isn't going to play for the season or, as in Horton’s case, ever again. And in this instance, Horton’s career is finished so it’s not an issue.

Thanks for the response. It makes way more sense now. It’s good to have someone like you to bounce the more complicated aspects of cap management off. Like I said before, knowledge is power.

Thanks again Jim. You’re a good man.

10 Oct 2018 00:04:46
and don’t mind the disagrees on my explanation, it’s legit info straight from the CBA. Just a ‘bitter ex gf’ type jealousy going on lol.

10 Oct 2018 01:22:31
I just can’t see an owner paying that kind of money to a ‘retired’ player and doing another GM a favour for anything short of a mid to high 1st rounder or a prized prospect.

Just think of it this way for a second. Josh Leivo is a UFA at seasons end. He’s a decent player but far from a proven high end commodity. And a third rounder is far from a guarantee as well. A team willing to pay $10+ million cash and absorb more cap could have overpaid A really good player like giving James Neal $8 mill for one year, and tried to work out a longer deal to keep him after. If he left in a year you had a year of James Neal instead of a year of Josh Leivo. Obviously that’s far fetched, but so is the other way. Arizona got to move up to select Chychrun for taking one year of datsyuks $7mill and got Lawson’s carouse (hasn’t worked out, but was highly touted) for taking Bolland. Want a big contract to go away, think that price.

10 Oct 2018 06:00:00
I didn't hit disagree if that's what your getting at but anyway.

10 Oct 2018 10:18:16
So jim I assume your blaming me for that too hey? You just can't stop can you? Do you actually think someone could possibly be jealous of you? Everyone has google man not like your writing this off the top of your head or anything lol. I guess you assume I'm the only one that could ever disagree on something you say lol. What a total mess you are. I've got to stop talking to you one here your paranoia is getting close to the dangerous level. If I hear on the news a sniper was picking people off from the top of the CN tower I'll know it was you. And no I didn't hit disagree on your post.

10 Oct 2018 12:41:53
😂 lol.

10 Oct 2018 12:52:04
Habby are you low key in love with him or something man?

10 Oct 2018 13:19:10
You denied it was you. I didn’t respond for a cpl hours so you send an angry rant lol don’t know how else to describe that then ‘angry ex girlfriend’. If my tires are slashed in the morning I’m going to be pissed hahaha.

10 Oct 2018 16:24:51
No actually the angry rant was sent first probably about 6 hours before but for some reason was not posted till I wrote the other one,

10 Oct 2018 16:27:43
I just wanted to make sure you knew someone else other then me could possibly disagree with you. That way maybe your head will explode before you get the rifle out.

10 Oct 2018 17:20:44
Just take a break, remember it’s a hockey forum and there’s no need to talk about me shooting people from a tower lol I don’t mind you or anyone else disagreeing with me if you can justify it. Ppl have disagreed with me on lots of things, like Nylanders value (including the jets guys) and I responded explaining where I felt it’s similar to Trouba next year. Disagreed. Responded. Conversation continues and stayed civil. With you, it’s not disagreeing on merit. It’s disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. And not sometimes. But on Everything lol I put up that praise of kotkaniemi almost as a test (it was true, I feel he’s going to be a great player and their best soon as other guys age) but just to see how you would respond and how you could possibly disagree with me saying he was going to be their best player soon. You found a way lol apparently soon wasn’t soon enough. I was wrong because he already is their best player apparently. In 3 periods he was already better than a Vezina and hart trophy winning goalie. And a Norris Caliber Dman. I was so wrong lol and that’s when others on here started noticing what a clown you were being. Just relax. Have your opinion but don’t get so riled up and angry. Read over my comments and read yours and see who is still having fun and who is hostile. Clock tower shootouts, really? Lol 😂.

10 Oct 2018 19:49:37
Your taking my response to your comments too much to heart man I already explained why I said that about kotkaniemi and told you I wasn't the one who clicked disagree on your post but that's not good enough for you. and your throwing your slurs every chance you get. please don't pretend to be the victim again man. I'm really trying to cling to the little bit of respect I have left for you. But if you want to call it a truce and move on that's fine with me. But again like last time forgive me if I'm skeptical. But I guess we will see.

10 Oct 2018 20:35:42
There’s no slurs being hurled lol you called me a baby a few times and told me to cry to mommy and that was fine, but then I call you old and tell you to tell your grandkids how it really is and that’s a slur? Lol your reply denying hypocrisy is hypocritical! Lol 😂 simply incredible, can’t write this stuff. You even admitted that you only write stuff on here to annoy, meaning I was right saying others are here for the right reasons, but not you.

And don’t cling too tight, if I fall off the list of people you respect (drug addicts, thieves, cowards and people that profit from murder) I’ll survive lol I know what you call honorable and I’m not really looking for it anyway. You keep saying I think I’m perfect but I have pointed out for 2 weeks how you change every time it benefits you. I’ll take being stubborn and sticking to my belief over flip flopping on every issue by the second to try to attack someone. Stay classy Habby.

10 Oct 2018 20:49:20
Also you constantly claim I’m a habs hater and am biased against them when we argue. However looking back, you argue and put down all the leafs fans on here, not just me. And you don’t get along with any of them. Obviously more with me, but not exclusively me. You’re the only hab fan I don’t get along with. I do with the others. That’s hard to explain if you’re the unbiased, open minded one and I’m the biased hater of all things Montreal. So as crazy as this is, try to think if maybe you’re the biased one with a leaf hate, not the other way around. But you can’t admit it. 🤔.

10 Oct 2018 23:30:48
Again it's impossible to deal with you cause you only hear what you want to hear to continue the argument. I've said countless time I'm biased. I'm a habs fan the habs are my team and I really don't care what happens to the other teams. Sure I like players from other teams and I root for teams over other teams on a very moderate level. But I really don't care. So again i'm BIASED! Please listen for the 20th time i'm BIASED lol. I don't hate the leafs they are just another team I cheer for montreal and montreal only cause again I'm biased. I'm biased I'm biased! . You are too Sosa is leafs17 is vbbb is everybody in the world is biased about something. But wait for it. Your unbiased jim. lol.

11 Oct 2018 01:09:06
My name shouldn’t bother you as much as it does lol is the world perfect besides my name and that’s where you have to focus and until it changes, you won’t be okay? Lol and what slurs did i send your way then? Haha I have said you’re acting like a clown and implied you’re a grandfather and also agreed with someone else who called you a grumpy old man. You say I take things too seriously and those are ‘slurs’ to you? Lol ask Joel Ward what a slur is. You call me a baby and then say “stop calling me grandpa” just pick a set of rules and play by them.

11 Oct 2018 01:37:13
Just admit your biased. That's my one and only rule lol but do it at the top of the page so everyone can see it.

09 Oct 2018 03:13:04
Leafs trade Nylander
Carolina trades Slavin, Zykov

Leafs trade Gardiner, Kadri
LA trades Forbort, Kempe, Vilardi

Marleau/ Matthews/ Hyman
Zykov/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Kempe/ Kapanen
Leivo/ Lindholm/ Brown
*Vilardi, Ennis

Reilly/ Forbort
Slavin/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
(Sandin/ Liljegren)

There’s a lot to like about Slavin, but I like his contract best. Zykov looking good, will be very effective on LW.

Forbort is left handed, but no big deal. He’s a perfect replacement for Hainsey until Liljegren is ready. Kempe is a slight downgrade on Kadri for sure, but he’s a more than adequate replacement with upside. Vilardi is very highly rated prospect and should already be playing NHL, but recurring back injury is delaying his development and in my eyes lowers his value and may be part of the reason LA throws him in to this trade.

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09 Oct 2018 04:14:10
Omg that’s a huge no from Carolina Slavin is not going anywhere he has to be the most underrated player in the NHL. He is by far the best deffensman on there roster he’s not flashy but he gets the job done. He’s a new generation Ryan Suter but imo he’s better then Suter. Easily a top 10LHD dman in the NHL.

08 Oct 2018 23:20:07
Canucks guddy retain 1.5
Lieapic lind 3 rd pick


Tor nylander

Liespic mathew kadri
Marlue tavars marner
Johnnson hyman brown

Horvat nylander boeser
Goldobin petterson erikson
Sven sutter virtanen

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09 Oct 2018 01:39:29
Ew that’s terrible for the leafs. I’d rather a 2nd round pick then that whole package. The fact you moved Hovat a proven Center to LW to put Nylander at C destroyed the credibility of this post. Nylander could atleast get back one of Q. Hughs, Demko or 1st. 2019.

09 Oct 2018 01:59:08
I like Gudbranson but he can’t be the big part coming back in a Nylander deal. We already had leipsic, didn’t protect him in expansion and Vegas got rid of him within months. Don’t need bottom 6 wingers. Need a RHD that’s a top 4. Not a bottom pair.

09 Oct 2018 02:09:39
Ya man good post.

09 Oct 2018 02:47:04
I’m not smelling what you’re stepping in. This trade stinks as bad as your name.

Leipzig sucks. We don’t want him back. Gudbranson sucks. We don’t want him either. Lind is a risk who is 2-3 years from making the team, and the 3rd is nothing to get excited about.

Mis-using Nylander as center (ahead of Petterson at that) doesn’t seem like a good idea for Vancouver to pursue. If it was a biable option, Leafs would have initiated it already. Nylander failed to impress in his stint at center last year and is more suited as winger.

09 Oct 2018 03:22:07
Typical crazy lopsided Canuks trade from Brock.
Get a clue man.
If they do decide to trade Nylander it will be for a lot better a package or one D man than this. Wow.

09 Oct 2018 07:02:02
Guddy at 2.5 million for 3 year that has some good vaule. just because they didn't protect him doesn't mean they don't like him. Tuch karlson ect. His been playing good for the canucks good 5 on 5 3 on 3 with his speed and goes can also play on the pk but with vegas he was avg 8 min a game lind is in the top 50 prospect and maybe 2 not 3 pick pretty good they don't get much sallary back to sign mathews and marner likely going to be over 20 for them then gradneir and reilly they and they get a guy for the future.

09 Oct 2018 13:16:11
Tuch and Karlsson weren’t just unprotected though Brock. They were part of bigger deals like getting rid of Clarksons contract and protecting minnys top 4 Dmen. Not the same situation as Gudbranson at all.

09 Oct 2018 15:13:49
Not same as leipsic either.

08 Oct 2018 13:26:58
Calgary Trades
ELindholm
Bennett
Valimaki

Toronto Trades
WNylander
FGauthier
Marincin

If the Leafs have had enough of WNylander's contract demands and decide to Trade him, I do see a match with the Flames as a Trading Partner, and this Trade Proposal is good for both Teams.

Thoughts ?

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08 Oct 2018 15:19:27
So so so bad Pinball.

08 Oct 2018 15:25:40
Loool.

08 Oct 2018 17:52:54
No it’s not good for both teams but it’s a good post for us to rip on you.

08 Oct 2018 18:59:06
So bad for the flames.

09 Oct 2018 09:09:03
The best player in the Trade is Nylander, Bennett needs a new Team to restart his career.
Wonder if Nylander etc. Was on Calgary and that Trade going the other way would it be bad for the Flames?

09 Oct 2018 21:25:10
Yup, horrible trade for flames.

08 Oct 2018 00:15:19
Not my normal route, but here we go:

New York Trades: Kevin Hayes (C/ LW - 50% Retention - 3.00 Million x 1 Year)
Toronto Trades: Josh Leivo (LW - 0.75 Million x 1 Year) + Trevor Moore (RW - 0.925 Million x 1 Years) + 2019 2nd Round Draft Pick.

- Hayes is a pending UFA. Considering what they got for guys like Grabner, and the transaction records for guys like Patrick Maroon (similar caliber to Hayes), this seems about right. Hayes is a solid, big guy who would add some much needed size to this Toronto lineup, replacing a small Tyler Ennis. New York gets back a replacement in Leivo who is a step-down for sure, but also acquire a 2nd and one of the Leafs better prospects in Trevor Moore (Low-Risk, Medium Reward Player, almost destined to become a 3rd liner, with not much potential beyond that) . I debated between Moore and Grundstrom but Grundstrom has a higher ceiling, and is too much of an add-in for a UFA.

Toronto Trades: Jake Gardiner (LD - 4.05 Million x 1 Year) + Eamon McAdam (G - 0.925 Million x 1 Year) + Frederik Gauthier (C - 0.675 Million x 1 Year)
Washington Trades: Madison Bowey (RD - 1.00 Million x 2 Years) + Connor Hobbs (RD - 0.75 Million x 1 Year) .

- Washington upgrades their defence in a major way for the time-being. Running Carlson/ Kempny, Orlov/ Niskanen, Gardiner/ Djoos would bea very solid dcore imo. Gauthier and McAdam are roster bodies, nothing more. Toronto downgrades their defence in general for this season, but acquires TWO RHD, which are good commodities. Bowey can step in as a physical presence this season, and get more minutes than in Washington (Stuck behind Carlson, Orlov, etc. ) Hobbs goes to a stacked Marlies team and can develop alongside Liljegren as RHD.

Toronto Trades: Martin Marincin (LD - 0.80 Million x 1 Year) + Andrew Nielsen (RD - 0.675 Million x 1 Year)
Ottawa Trades: Magnus Paajarvi (LW - 0.85 Million x 1 Year)

- Ottawa could use more defense, Toronto could use a veteran 14th forward. Nielsen and Marincin don’t have futures in Toronto, Paajarvi doesn’t have one in Ottawa. Simple trade.

William Nylander resigns, hopefully for a reasonable estimate of appx. 6.55 x 8 Years [52.5 Million Total]

Lineup:
Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Kevin Hayes - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Zach Hyman - Nazem Kadri - Connor Brown
Andreas Johnsson - Par Lindholm - Kasperi Kapanen
*Tyler Ennis, Magnus Paajarvi

Morgan Rielly - Madison Bowey
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
Ron Hainsey - Igor Ozhiganov
*Justin Holl

Frederik Andersen
Garrett Sparks

Maybe not a better team atm. But a bigger, more physical team. Forward depth has zero holes now (Ennis may have been one before), and defense is younger, cost-controlled and has tons of cheap RHD upcoming (Bowey, Liljegren, Hobbs, etc. )

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08 Oct 2018 05:05:08
I like Kevin Hayes. A lot. Big kid that can bang in the pick and put up solid numbers. He would look good beside any of our theee centres. Not sure NYR make this deal, but if they would, Leafs would be foolish not to jump on it. We could even afford Hayes at his full salary this year. No need for NYR to retain. That may be a further incentive for them to move him.

Any trade that involves trading out Gardiner is a good trade in my eyes. Not sure Dubas feels the same way. If it makes the team weaker in any way, you can be sure he won’t do it. Even though I agree we should be dumping Giveaway for picks/ prospects rather than lose him for nothing.

Paajarvi is a monster. A real bust, he probably wouldn’t have much of a future in Toronto either. But he’s huge. And in my mind, bigger is better.

Well done TopShelfSlappers. I like your lineups. The forward group is especially solid. Defense as you said looks a little weaker, but trading Gardiner is addition through subtraction. And the guys you suggest all have talent and can make us better long term. A one step back, two step forward move.

08 Oct 2018 05:23:03
Not sure Washington would be up for trading young Bowey. Just my thought tho.

08 Oct 2018 15:30:51
Ty @LG, I do prefer this, especially as Hayes does provide some size to a small team.


@yupp

I felt the same way, but Washington would want to upgrade to keep their cup. Gardiner is a step up on Bowey for sure, and would allow them to cycle three d units. Gardiner is worth at least a first imo, and Bowey is basically that. Plus, Bowey will be stuck behind Carlson/ Kempny/ Orlov/ Niskanen for at least the next two years, and Djoos is also there, as is Johansen, both solid d prospects.

08 Oct 2018 18:28:36
Sore Gardiner is an upgrade right now for this season but age and contract I wouldn't make this trade if I was Washington myself. Gardiner older and a UFA at seasons end with rumors of maybe wanting upwards to $7M per year long term on the next deal. I get what you're saying for this year, go for the cup again, And I think I'm now on the fence with all things considered. Leafs are the ones who need to upgrade D not downgrade. Can't win every game 7-6.

07 Oct 2018 17:07:48
Calgary Trades
Bennett
ELindholm
1st Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
WNylander
Marincin
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

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07 Oct 2018 16:19:15
Thanks to Habby bringing Brook to my attention, I’m going to post a proposal that may be unpopular among Leaf fans, but I don’t care. Just getting discussion going.

Leafs trade Nylander
Montreal trades Drouin, Brook

Marleau/ Matthews/ Hyman
Drouin/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Kadri/ Kapanen
Lievo/ Lindholm/ Brown
*Ennis, Jooris

I think Drouin is being mis-used by Montreal forcing him to play center, when he is clearly a better winger. Playing beside Tavares he should return to form and post better numbers. Montreal can then mis-use Nylander as center.

Brook is the prospect I wanted to draw attention to. His stats look fantastic and his prospect report is outstanding. Could be a real steal if we get him early enough. Along with Liljegren, gives Leafs two high end RHD prospects.

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07 Oct 2018 17:12:53
Actually drouin is back to the wing now as kotkaniemi is handling most of the center duties on that line and he really hasn't looked that great as a winger so far lol. that being said I would think a swap of drouin for nylander considering nylanders contract demands would be more then fair. No need to add brook.

07 Oct 2018 17:56:05
I don’t think Nylander for Drouin straight up cuts it. Nylander is still true better player in my eyes. Perhaps unconsciously, I suspect you just want to keep Brook yourself. I can’t blame you. Montreal adds another prospect maybe? Juulsen?

07 Oct 2018 19:58:15
I like it. But more of a Nylander for Droiun and a 3rd. not a Brook, and deffenetley not Juulsen who I think is going to be a really good player.
Also. as much as I like Nylander. no way he gets 8 to 8.5 per.
7 max.

07 Oct 2018 20:03:20
I just can't help but feel if drouin was playing with matthews he would put up 60 points a year too. So in my eyes depending on the contract nylander signs it's fair straight up.

07 Oct 2018 22:36:40
Habby, the difference between Nylander and Drouin is with Drouin what you see is what you get. Nylander can still go up. It is not fair for a straight up deal.

07 Oct 2018 23:18:58
Nylander is better and has more potential.
Drouin at $5.5M
Nylander is worth about $1.5M more ($7M) or at the very least $1M more st $6.5M. But maybe even $2M more at $7.5M.
Anyways. Ya. It's not a fair deal as a straight up trade proposal.

08 Oct 2018 00:17:15
Hard to win this argument against leaf fans. I will say this I don't think I'm the only one who would think it's even with drouin at 5.5mil and nylander at possibly 7.5 mil. For sure there is not enough difference to add a good RHD prospect in brook or a young dman who is playing top 4 minutes in juulsen . also I doubt either drouin or nylander have hit their prime yet and got could possibly improve. Don't really see how you can say something like what you see is what you get about either one of them. I doubt it, but for all you or I know nylander might never be more then a 60 point man.

08 Oct 2018 00:48:37
Itookdonscherry said it well I wouldn’t be upset if leafs made this trade.

08 Oct 2018 04:55:40
I never checked it out or really believe it would change anyone's mind ( not that I really care) lol. But I'm willing to bet drouin was in on just as many of his teams goals last year as nylander was. I'm certain he hits at least 60 riding shot gun for matthews. So for 1.5 to 2 mil less to do the same job wouldn't toronto be wise to at least consider it?

08 Oct 2018 05:35:47
@vb

Am I reading this correct? Did you really just say you liked this proposal? Thanks bud. Either you didn’t notice who floated it, or I must have really nailed it for you to agree.

08 Oct 2018 05:53:33
Cherry, just for curiosity sake, why is Drouin you get what you get but Nylander has loads of room to grow when they are a year apart in age? Its not like Drouin is 27-30. I don't think potential is all that different myself, both early 20s and have shown they are great offensive talents i don't think its a stretch to say Drouin would put up similar or better numbers than Nylander in Toronto. Drouin can make some really slick passes but hasn't really played with someone who can finish them off.

08 Oct 2018 09:59:57
It’s a bit of a risk from Leafs standpoint, because we all think Drouin can put up the same numbers as Nylander playing beside either Matthews or Tavares, but that’s still expecting him to put up career points. That’s why I think Montreal adds. Asking for Juulsen or Brook might be a bit much. Sosa is probably more accurate suggesting a pick instead of a prospect drafted first round.

08 Oct 2018 15:03:46
I feel the same way from habs standpoint leafs gm. I'd be nervous as F if the habs made this deal straight up. unless nylander was willing to sign for 6 mil or less, which he's not. If they added brooks or juulsen to the deal I'd burn my habs pyjamas. Lol.

08 Oct 2018 18:30:41
Hahahaha. Habs pajamas. That joke made me laugh Habby2. Well done.

08 Oct 2018 22:49:40
I don’t think he’s joking Yupp.

09 Oct 2018 03:14:21
I really liked this trade.
I think it helps both teams a lot. Drouin is a great player and so is Nylander. Nylander has a little more upside. But the Leafs get the contract that works for them. Nylander can come in as the Habs number one center. Drouin with a true number one will put up big numbers.

09 Oct 2018 03:23:36
Ya Still awesome if he's not joking.
It can still be classified as a joke in that context tho, and it did make me laugh.

09 Oct 2018 05:21:21
I was joking . I don't have any pyjamas.

 


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