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13 Feb 2024 17:12:49
Philadelphia Trades
Laughton*
Atkinson*
Toronto Trades
Kampf
Reaves
NRobertson
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
*Flyers retain 50% of both Laughton's 2 years after this season and Atkinson's 1 year after this season.
Flyers rebuilding and have some good young assets on the team and coming in the next few seasons, Laughton and Atkinson are players I believe will be moved be The Leafs or another team, obviously Kampf and Reaves are in this proposal for cap reasons as well as the 50% retention but getting NRobertson, Minton and a 1st Round Pick is a future building block for what they are doing.
Getting that stud defender is the hardest to get, maybe Toronto can still improve on defense but the lack of a third line with a bit of productivity is just as important, and adding 2 quality players upfront like Laughton and Atkinson helps huge with Domi in between those players.
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13 Feb 2024 23:17:33
- any trade Treliving makes will be for help on D. (In a perfect world, he’d add in net, but with limited cap space he’ll have to be selective and prioritize D. )
- where is the compensation for Philly retaining this season plus next on Atkinson, plus 2 more on Laughton? (Cap space will be an expen$ive commodity at the deadline. )
- where is the compensation for taking 3 years of Reaves, who is irrelevant in the NHL? Or 4 seasons of Kampf @ 2.4M/ season, who at 29 is the wrong age for a rebuilding team to target for that long?
- the 1st & Minton, to a lesser extent, is of value to a rebuilding team. But the salary you’re dumping on Philly + the salary you expect them to retain is way out of whack with what you’re proposing as a “return” to Philly.
- Last but not least…. NO D for the leafs in your proposal? SERIOUSLY? (Have you seen the starting D in tonight’s lineup without Rielly? )
I’ll have what you’re having 👍.
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14 Feb 2024 14:54:58
Chickenfoot.
When you look at the retention and what Philly would have to put out cap and money wise the difference is in actual $108.666 which is basically a wash in my proposal.
So Cap is basically the same and they add 3 in NRobertson, Minton and a 1st Rounder, yes Kampf and Reaves aren't what most teams would want but because of cap they have to be included, Philadelphia are trading a soon to be a 30 and 35 year old players and add to their prospect pool why wouldn't they do it is the question I am asking you.
If anything as past has shown everyone at or near the deadline players are traded for much less than anyone would imagine.
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14 Feb 2024 19:14:41
- I'm not sure understand the concept of salary retention beyond what the leafs' needs are, but the numbers are significant for Philly in your trade proposal.
- if you're expecting the other team to retain that much salary and term, PLUS absorb bad contracts coming in, you need to include trade capital to make the other team even interested in wanting to consider it. Otherwise it's pure fantasy, and just doesn't make any "real world sense".
Consider the salaries & term you're proposing Philly retain AND absorb:
Player: 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27
Laughton 1.5M 1.5M 1.5M
Atkinson 2.94M 2.94M
Kampf 2.4M 2.4M 2.4M 2.4M
Reaves 1.35M 1.35M 1.35M
Robertson .796M
Minten .846M .846M .846M
The retention & salaries you're dumping on Philly is 4-year commitment that looks like this:
Year 1: 9.832M
Year 2: 9.036M
Year 3: 6.096M
Year 4: 2.4M
TOTAL: 27.364M
So you're asking Philly to take on 27.364M over 4 years, but you're not including any compensation for taking on all that salary?
The real in your trade offer is the 1st & Minten. A late 1st and Minten is not nearly enough for the 27M+ that you're asking Philly to absorb.
I'm not sure if you understand all this, but I've taken my best shot. Surely you can see that this is a lopsided deal that no team would ever consider?
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13 Feb 2024 06:28:42
Calgary receives : Alex holtz, Seamus Casey, a 1st rd 2024 and a 1 st rd pick in 2025
New Jersey receives : Jacob markstrom.
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13 Feb 2024 14:05:47
goalies never go for that much at the deadline no matter how good they are, get ride of the 2025 first and this is a believable deal.
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13 Feb 2024 20:18:42
Holy that’s way to much.
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12 Feb 2024 13:22:24
Vancouver:
TJ Brodie D
Toronto:
Nikita Zadorov D
Arizona:
Timothy Liljegren D
Ryan Tverberg C
3rd 2025
Toronto:
Nick Bjugstad C
Sean Durzi D
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12 Feb 2024 15:57:25
Vancouver definitively says no. LA needs more coming back .
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12 Feb 2024 16:23:06
Both Canucks and Coyotes say no.
Also Balsam, LA isn't involved in any of those.
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12 Feb 2024 21:10:12
Is it Christmas in Toronto?
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12 Feb 2024 21:26:06
- your trades are the absolute worst on this site, because you ONLY post leaf-homer trades while pretending to be a fan of another NHL trades. (There’s other guys that post leaf-homer trades, but they’re open and out there as leaf die-hards. At least they’re honest about who they are. )
- your Zadorov trade ignores the fact that VCR traded two picks TWO MONTHS ago and it’s been a great fit for the team and the player. Why in the world would VCR trade him for an older player who is a cap dump at this point?
- ARI laughs and blocks your number.
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12 Feb 2024 22:03:11
thanks. not sure why I thought LA.
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10 Feb 2024 15:19:26
Trade
SJS Ferraro 25% retained and Rutta for Liljegrin and Timmins and 1st and 3rd (NYI)
Fire Keefe if possible hire Joe Quenville ( #2 playoff wins) if not #tucker for coach
Ideal Roster format in my opinion.
Bertuzzi Matthews Robertson
Jarnkrok Domi Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
Mcmann Kampf Gregor
Reilly Rutta
Ferraro Brodie
McCabe Benoit
Scratches Giordano, Jones
Depth: Lagesson homberg
Samsonov
Woll
I think this spreads out the talent across three lines and are defensive responsible lines. ( only switch I might do is Nylander and Robertson) also think gives Tavares advantage as 3c over other competition and helps brodie as a 4.
Would probably add additional Depth/ grit
Such as Kastelic, Mccbain, Max Jones, Pezzetta, Bastian, *might be upgrade.
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10 Feb 2024 18:44:43
“Joel” Quenville, and SJ declines.
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11 Feb 2024 03:32:18
Chickenfoot why does SJS decline they are getting 1st for a defencemen who would normally get a 2nd and Liljegrin a young proven nhler, serviceable timmins. Rutta will not help them in the next 5 years. So 3 for him.
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11 Feb 2024 14:58:41
Quantity doesn’t replace quality.
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11 Feb 2024 18:10:24
If any team offers a 1st for Ferraro then San Jose jumps on that. Rutta cleared waivers 2x this season.
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12 Feb 2024 12:48:53
BM4: I appreciate that you're a die-hard fan of your team, and that the explanation you requested wouldn't be of much use. You're a true believer. But simply put, this is a "homer deal". The eventual return for the player will dwarf what is offered here.
The reality is that there are more issues to fix in Toronto than there are tradable assets available. Does Treliving make trades for optics just to satisfy the fan base, knowing they're not able to contend? In my opinion it would be a waste of assets, and the leafs are already low on draft picks and prospects.
The real opportunity to address the leafs' areas of need was when they re-signed Nylander rather than trading him for what they needed. I'm not breaking any news when I say they have too many NTC contracts, and too many high salaries, without enough tradeable assets to do anything to help improve what is a flawed roster build.
Complicating the current sitation is the brain fart by Rielly, and his inevitable suspension. They're currently in a wild card, but with the Sergachev injury they had a chance to build a cushion against Tampa. They'll likely lose Rielly for 6-8 games, in what was an incredibly selfish play that will hurt his team in the stretch run.
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12 Feb 2024 22:12:54
Joel Quenneville* ;)
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13 Feb 2024 02:54:15
6-8 games? You’re kidding right? That wouldn’t even be a penalty in 2005.
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13 Feb 2024 14:19:30
VB:
- the hearing is today, so we'll know if 6-8 games is accurate or not. (It's 5+ for an in-person hearing, so let's just say that I'm confident that I am right and you are wrong. again. )
- a cross-check to the head after a goal has ALWAYS been a penalty. at least. (Are you new to hockey? )
- head shots have always been a thing, even in 2005, such as the 6-game suspension Eric Boulton got for elbowing Paul Ranger in the head.
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14 Feb 2024 20:44:07
Personally think it should’ve been 4 games. I think most people loved the whole play. But 2005 is irrelevant and Parros is impossible to guess. Gallagher should’ve gotten double what Reilly got IMO.
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10 Feb 2024 15:05:10
Heard rumors that buffalo is looking to trade mittlestad for a goalie
Buff- mittlestad
Nsh- askarov- fabro
Thoughts?
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10 Feb 2024 21:06:37
Might do just askarov for mittelstadt straight up.
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13 Feb 2024 19:03:32
Askarov wont be moved.
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10 Feb 2024 04:37:23
LAK - Pierre-Luc Dubois
MTL - Josh Anderson, Jake Allen & 2024 2nd
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10 Feb 2024 13:45:34
Ship has sailed, doubt MTL wants Dubois at that price, even if it means unloading Anderson's contract.
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10 Feb 2024 18:47:07
MTL emphatically declines, even for 1 of those 3 pieces.
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11 Feb 2024 22:23:22
Allen has only 2 victory since October, Anderson does not hit anymore and his production is going downhill. Like, at least PLD has some good hockey in him. I think st-louis could make him a good player
From LA perspective, i don't know if they want to throw in the towel and get out of that contract at that cost but I would consider that trade.
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09 Feb 2024 19:43:49
TAM Trades:
- Howard
- 1st ('26)
- 2nd ('25)
- 3rd ('24)
- Myers (UFA/minor cap dump)
- Fleury (
- Shalagin (Unsigned)
OTT Trades:
- Chychrun
- Tarasenko (UFA/50% retention)
- TAM pays a price to replace Sergachev
- TAM includes some contracts to create contract space.
- Sergachev's injury creates the need and the cap space to do it.
- TAM will need to send one waiver exempt player to make the 23-man roster limit.
- OTT gets picks and the Bolts top prospect
- OTT recycles 2 guys not in their future plans for futures.
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14 Feb 2024 18:04:34
So much wrong with this I don't know where to start?
For one who's Howard? Are you talking former Detroit Goalie Howard? If so Ottawa don't need a goalie.
For 2 Tampas picks aren't high enough to mean anything here
For 3 Chychrun ain't going anywhere, Chabot is more likely to be traded than Chychrun is, he litteraly already put the kaboosh on those dumb rumors.
And for 4 why is Ottawa retaining anything, let alone 50% on Taresenko when they are already taking back cap hit on Myers and Howard (if it is the goalie)? Ottawa don't have the space for that.
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15 Feb 2024 01:39:07
Hahahaha…Howard is Tampa’s top prospect, not a goalie. 👍.
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08 Feb 2024 23:12:38
Anaheim Trades
Lybushkin*
Vancouver Trades
Podkolzin (AHL)
*Ducks retain 50% of Lybushkin's expiring contract.
Canucks get that RHanded Shooting Defenceman and paired with Zadorov would be one the hardest hitting pairing Defence in the entire NHL.
Ducks win in this trade for their situation picking up a former 10th overall winger in Podkolzin that still has tremendous skill, and that is young enough to take a chance on for a rebuilding team.
Thoughts ?
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09 Feb 2024 06:15:30
Solid trade actually
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10 Feb 2024 13:34:56
its a bit too much. podz is a top 10 pick, still very young. boosh is an aging veteran on an expiring contract. ana would have to send back another decent pick as the difference.
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10 Feb 2024 23:53:44
Podz for Lybushkin would be great trade for both teams a young power foward for a soiled RHD this could workout well for both.
Gives Podz a fresh start and vancouver the rhd they need.
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11 Feb 2024 18:12:15
Bush isn’t a RHD he is a LHD that plays on the right side.
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08 Feb 2024 17:08:41
Blockbuster
Islanders trade Julien Gauthier to Canucks, for Sheldon Dries.
Islanders get a depth centre, while Canucks get depth winger, with size, for the playoffs
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09 Feb 2024 06:16:26
Looks good to me
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08 Feb 2024 15:36:32
Philadelphia Trades
Laughton
Atkinson*
SWalker*
Toronto Trades
Samsonov
Kampf
NRobertson
Minton (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
*Flyers retain 50% of both Atkinson's 2 remaining years, and SWalker's expiring contract.
This is a proposal that can only happen once Woll is ready to play.
Flyers at a point of a bit of rebuilding and retooling and this proposal does this.
Leafs fix upfront and defense with this proposal which they will be looking at.
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08 Feb 2024 21:13:57
- PHI hangs up.
- It is predictable in that it heavily favours the leafs, and the exchange of assets is inequitable.
- Another predictable element of this trade is that there is no compensation for TWO salary retention spots for TWO spots, one of which is for this season and next, and the other for TWO seasons after this.
- Further to not compensating PHI for salary retention, there's no compensation for taking on Samsonov.
- I suppose it's also predictable that it's heavy on forwards, with only one D.
- Lastly, it is predictable that one of two responses will come: "you hate the leafs", or something snarky that implies compensation for Samsonov and the two cap hits beyond this season IS somehow included, but I'm just unable or unwilling to see it.
#"Fantasy Hockey"
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08 Feb 2024 23:24:01
Chickenfoot
You do understand Philly has no Goaltender to speak of with Hart's career probably over.
NRobertson has proven he actually is an NHL Player with his play this season.
Samsonov besides a few months ago is showing it was just a bad streak as he has been steady and does have 2 shutouts this season, how is that a terrible Goaltender.
Minton is a legit prospect and to say a 1st Rounder means nothing again makes no sense.
As for retention for SWalker it's an expiring contract and Atkinson has rest of this season and next, that's not long term.
Please at least have a real argument when replying to my post, and no not going to say it's trashing Toronto as this is about what all players involved bring in a proposal like this.
Cheers.
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09 Feb 2024 00:12:09
Pinball, your view of the game is uniquely your own. I suspect you are alone in thinking this makes any hockey sense to anyone else.
This one is not close.
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09 Feb 2024 14:01:45
I don’t know if they want to trade Laughton but this is a haul for two mid roster players and a 34 year old. Robertson, 1st, Minton all young pieces Philly would want. Also Samsonov is a UFA so he has no value to Philly.
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10 Feb 2024 14:00:39
Value wise, I'd say it's not far but I think Toronto should use their three main assets (1st, Robertson, Minton) to acquire more impactful players than Laughton, Atkinson and Walker.
I'd start trade talks with Calgary, for example, to get a player like Hanifin.
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08 Feb 2024 13:49:54
I am adding a bit more in a proposal I posted yesterday.
Pittsburgh Trades
Guentzel
Ruhwedel
Toronto Trades
Bertuzzi
Liljegren
Minton (WHL)
I have added prospect Fraser Minton in my proposal and he is without a doubt a very good prospect.
Remember people dealing with Pittsburgh is also dealing with Dubas the same GM who was in Toronto last year, he also drafted Minton and I am sure he would love to have him in The Pens organization.
This is a good trade more for Pittsburgh's future as their stars are aging and they truly like last year will probably not make the playoffs.
Thoughts ?
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09 Feb 2024 06:20:01
After seeing what Lindholm and Monahan got I’d assume Guentzel gets a better package than this.
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