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18 Jul 2019 13:22:09
Buffalo Trades
SReinhart
Ristolainen
Olofsson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2020 or 2021

Toronto Trades
Marner
Borgman (AHL)
3rd Round Pick 2020 (Ottawa's Pick)

The 2020 or 2021 Pick will be decided by the Sabres before the 2020 Draft.
Ottawa's Pick was obtained in the Zaitsev, CBrown Deal.

I have posted other combo trades with Marner going to Buffalo.
It's to me what each Team is looking for Player wise and Cap wise.
Buffalo would love to have Marner to play with Eichel as well as unload Ristolainen.
Toronto is up against the Cap with the Marner situation but still have a few holes, this Trade fixes the holes except backup Goaltender and keeps them under the Cap.
It's a Trade that makes sense for both Teams.
Sabres will still need a 2nd Line Centre with Sheary + going somewhere to get that.


Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 18 Jul 2019 19:57:40
Huge no from leafs a Ristolainen buy out would hurt the leafs a lot can’t be paying him 5 million for the 3rd pairing maybe if he’s versatile he could be the 3rd line RW like Burns did but doubt it.

Rather take him out of the trade probably holds decent value to other teams tho.


2.) 18 Jul 2019 20:36:46
VB, Risto becomes instantly the Leafs best D-men ahead of Morgan Reilly. It's not even clost.


3.) 18 Jul 2019 21:39:17
Reilly is LD and better than Risto.


4.) 18 Jul 2019 21:50:54
Ohh yeah then he instantly becomes the best player on the raptors, the new pitcher on the blue Jays, Best player on the Toronto Rock and the Quarter back for the Toronto argonauts. He probably takes the title from Drake as the best rapper in Toronto too.


5.) 18 Jul 2019 22:41:02
I really wish you were the GM of Montreal Mantha. All of Ristos d partners are better when they don't play with him. If a guy makes all his partners worse then there is a common denominator.


6.) 19 Jul 2019 09:22:37
@vbbbvvbb

Ristolainen is a 24yr old 6"4 215lbs RHanded Shooting Defenceman that averages 46points a year and you would buy him out?
He has been on a crap Team that has thrown him to the wolves at a young age, believe me Teams would want this guy including the Leafs.
Put with someone like Rielly I bet he is much better including Babcock coaching him.
He hits like a truck to and will fight if he has to.
Everything lacking on the Leaf Defense.


7.) 19 Jul 2019 09:23:10
Mantua are you really saying risto is better then Reilly that's just crazy talk.


8.) 19 Jul 2019 15:14:23
I’m in on Ristolainen. Leafs can’t afford him right now but I think I’d like his style. Defense always take longer to develop. He is still young and could round out his game still.


9.) 19 Jul 2019 15:21:13
Risto is very good at 2 things playing offensive hockey and playing physical. He’s terrible defensively no denying that I actually think he’d be a better winger like Brett Burns. He could be really good on the PK also as a forward with a strong development camp.


 

 

17 Jul 2019 22:14:46
Buffalo Trades
Ristolainen
Olofsson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2020 or 2021

Nashville Trades
RYJohansen
2nd Round Pick 2020

1st Round Pick 2020 or 2021 is the Sabres choice before the 2020 Draft.


Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 17 Jul 2019 21:43:46
Apparently teams around the league wouldn’t take him for free accord Pierre Lebrun he worded it as “ The Sabres are trying to move Ristolainen but there are currently no takers “. So this is a fat no from Nashville.


2.) 17 Jul 2019 23:21:50
Buffalos price on Ristolainen is extremely high from what I heard, which is why there are no takers. I’m sure there are teams which would take him if they had a price of what he is not how they used him/ pumped up his numbers with a ton of PP time.


3.) 18 Jul 2019 10:08:43
And some teams around the league wouldn't take Nylander a for free, VB. Gimme a break.


4.) 18 Jul 2019 10:50:22
Risto is easily worth a first and A prospect.


5.) 18 Jul 2019 10:51:03
From Detroit he's worth Larkin, and from MTL he's worth Kotkaniemi. From Toronto he's worth Nylander+Lilijegreen.


6.) 18 Jul 2019 11:31:29
wow Mantha you are spare parts bud.


7.) 18 Jul 2019 12:32:18
Well the way Pierre worded it makes it seem that way I’d agree a team like Edmonton could use him for there PP but definitely not Toronto I’d do Barrie for Risto and a 1st for Cost control and to add a physical presence but Barrie would need to go.


8.) 18 Jul 2019 16:19:18
We get it Mantha from the stars he’s worth Benn and Seguin from the Oilers he’s worth McDavid. From the Rockets he’s worth Harding and Westbrook.


 

 

16 Jul 2019 17:23:49
Buffalo Trades
SReinhart
Sheary
Ristolainen
1st Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
Marner
Hyman
Borgman (AHL)
3rd Round Pick 2020 (Ottawa's Pick)

Still think there is a match here for many reasons, I have revised my original Proposal some and value wise it's very fair, Leafs still need another Defenceman and this Proposal keeps Tavares going with NHL Wingers, improves the Defense and keeps them under the Cap.
Sabres are getting Marner plus a good Contract with Hyman.

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 16 Jul 2019 18:34:23
Take out Sheary and Hyman. Toronto will not move Hyman under any circumstances. For a team that lacks drive and motivation throughout the year, Hyman is the only player that plays 150% every game even if he doesn't put up big numbers. You need players like Hyman to win the cup.


2.) 16 Jul 2019 19:47:09
Replace Risto with a good player like Middelstad.


3.) 17 Jul 2019 00:03:20
@Stammer2Leafs2016

I would rather keep Hyman as well but I looked at what Buffalo would want, Sheary is on an expiring contract where Hyman is signed for 3 more seasons including the 19/ 20.


@vbbbvvbb

Buffalo won't be trading any Centres they need another Centre, Sabres are deep at RHanded Shooting Defencemen and Ristolainen is a lot better than most people think, at 24yrs old and Babcock as his coach he would be better in Toronto.


4.) 17 Jul 2019 04:45:24
Marner would instantly transform Buffalo into contenders. Having him setting up Eichel or Skinner. Those guys would get 50 goals.

It’s a lot of moving parts. Having Reinhart included is key. We need a quality player in return. This would be the perfect chance for Buffalo to dump Risto as well.

Not sure Leafs want to make trade with a division rival though. Especiallly when it’s a player like Marner, who could completely turn Buffalo around.


5.) 17 Jul 2019 13:49:17
What would the Buyout for Risto look like for the leafs they really don’t need an offensive deffensman for the 3rd pairing.


6.) 17 Jul 2019 18:38:57
For 3rd pairing vb? You would put Ceci ahead of Risto?


7.) 17 Jul 2019 19:43:04
Well Rielly, Barrie And Risto certainly couldn’t play with each other so yeah.


8.) 18 Jul 2019 02:43:46
Somebody actually has to play defense I guess eh?

You don’t think Dermott and Risto would make a good pair? Barrie, Ceci, Muzzin all UFA. Risto is the keeper if this trade happens.


 

 

15 Jul 2019 13:00:16
Buffalo Trades
SReinhart
Ristolainen
Cozens (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
Marner
Borgman (AHL)

Best fix to a Cap Space problem with a Star Player wanting more than a Team can give to stay under the Cap (Toronto) ?
Trade that Player (Marner) and get the most you can talent wise and get your Team under the Cap, yes Marner is the best Player in this Trade Proposal but if this Trade went down I do believe it would be one to talk about for years.

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 15 Jul 2019 13:39:37
No from Buffalo, try Reinhart+ Risto for Marner and Lilijegreen.


2.) 15 Jul 2019 14:02:08
More Leaf hate from Mantha. Getting really dry.


3.) 15 Jul 2019 16:37:46
I don’t understand the point of these trades. Yeah Marner is better then Reinhart, but why sacrifice a guy who can play first line in Reinhart and a top 4 D in Risto for one dude who cap is going to be greater than both of theirs combined? It just seems like a backward move to me.


4.) 15 Jul 2019 17:12:22
Almost rather pay the 4 future firsts comp tbh.


5.) 15 Jul 2019 17:25:49
2 make this Trade Proposal even bigger and giving Buffalo a bit more, here is a new Proposal.

Buffalo Trades
Sheary
SReinhart
Ristolainen
Cozens (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
Marner
Hyman
Borgman (AHL)
3rd Round Pick 2020 (Ottawa's Pick)


Thoughts?


6.) 15 Jul 2019 18:10:17
Wait wait wait. You want them to give up Reinhart, Risto AND Cozens who they JUST DRAFTED at 7th AND. ANOTHER 1st for Marner? MARNER? Marner is NOT McDavid. Marner is NOT Kucherov. F*** off with these joke worthy over-evaluations. I’m not trying to be mean but Pinball, there is SERIOUSLY something wrong with your head, you are so far past delusional that I can’t even fathom it.


7.) 15 Jul 2019 18:41:13
Ok @Vertius would you rather have Eichel and Ristolainen or McDavid?
What I am getting at is Buffalo has Roster full of good players but besides Dahlin and Eichel is on the cusp of a Star Player they don't have one, what Marner brings to the Sabres is a Star Player who will get even better and he will make the Sabres better, Leafs to me have to make a move like this because having so many star players it just won't fit in the NHL Cap.
I am sure Dubas and the Leafs would hate having to do this but at the same time they really might have to.
I think it's a very fair proposal and my revised one gives more to the Sabres.


8.) 15 Jul 2019 19:08:38
@Pinball

Don't listen to Vertius. I don't think he has had a single comment where the agree outweighed the disagree. Not sure how the Admins even allowed that comment to go through tbh.

But yeah, think it's bad for Buffalo. Value wise it might be close but that doesn't mean Buffalo does it. One step forward two steps back. Reinhart is really starting to finally pan out and fit on the first line. Even though Risto is meh, he's still like their best defender (Dahlin is still only 19). Not to mention they were really high on Cozens. Cozens projects to be a highly, highly skilled PF.


9.) 15 Jul 2019 19:14:37
Pinball you’re asking for the moon for Marner. He would get a nice return for Toronto, but not what you’re expecting
1) Teams know Toronto is in cap trouble, they will look to take advantage not easily help them while taking worse players back
2) why would a team give up more value than 4 first round picks, if you’re asking for that much in return teams can just pay the compensation
3) they’re in the same division, the price will most likely be higher.


10.) 15 Jul 2019 19:52:44
@ProDepth think about it like this. Either way no Matter where he signs ( except maybe Tampa or Miami because of no income taxes ) he’s signing over 10.5 million ( 4 1st round picks ) anything below leafs easily match. So if Toronto decides to trade him they’ll 100% want more then the 4 1st round picks. Why? This is because they either resign him or a team sends an offersheet which there is a 90% chance leafs match or they trade for him which the price would be extremely high because that team gets to hand pick terms of contract and have guaranteed term control.


11.) 15 Jul 2019 20:57:06
@TyBa4

I I can’t remember ever seeing a trade proposal from you that wasn’t at least -10 on the agree/ disagree ratio. Your a clown with zero clue what you’re talking about.


12.) 15 Jul 2019 21:47:03
A team won’t pay more than the value of 4 1st IMO. It’s either Toronto doesn’t match and they get Marner for less or Toronto matches and forces cap problems. But no point in offering a sweet heart deal like Montreal and helping Toronto out.


13.) 15 Jul 2019 23:26:12
Vertius I almost sense anger and hostility in your response.
This is a fun sight where people think of Trade Proposals and post.
That's it, if you don't agree is one thing but to attack me without even knowing me is something different, not to defend myself but it's laughable if you really knew who I was to say there is something wrong with my head, on that note keep it clean towards others and have fun reading people's proposals.
I still believe it's a Trade Proposal that I believe could happen, we all saw Karlsson traded to SJ and being on an expiring contract and look how Ottawa got what they got, Sabres will be getting a 22yr old Star on a Team controlled contract so yes my Proposal isn't delusional as you would say, plus my second Proposal gives the Sabres more than my first.


14.) 15 Jul 2019 23:42:43
Hey vertius if you think this package is so good then give up Pettersson for it :) ( Marner definitely currently has atleast equal value to Pettersson right now and I’d take Pettersson over this ) Anyway Marner will not be traded to a division rival. Risto is the exact opposite deffensman that the leafs need. Just an all around terrible proposal.

Value wise I’d do

Toronto: Marner, Lilijgren And 2nd 2020

Buffalo: Rienhart, Middelstad and 1st 2020.


 

 

13 Jul 2019 13:24:32
Edmonton Trades
Puljujarvi

Vegas Trades
Tuch

Edmonton will have to shed a bit of Salary to start the Season like a Lucic buyout and it also helps Vegas with there Cap Space problem.

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 13 Jul 2019 14:01:24
No from Vegas come on. Like I said it’ll probably be a Gusev and Clarckson package.


2.) 13 Jul 2019 20:54:51
@vb
Doubt it. Gusev wants to play for a contender or at least a playoff team. Since free agency is basically over the only teams left to take Clarkson's contract AND then sign Gusev to the deal he wants is most likely a rebuilding team.
If he's traded to a rebuilding team, Gusev will just go back to Russia.


3.) 13 Jul 2019 22:42:44
Colorado is not a rebuilding team?


 

 

 

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18 Jul 2019 11:22:48
Leafs sign Marleau for 700k which they can as Carolina bought him out not Toronto.
Marleau slaps out Marner and makes him sign a 8yr Deal at 8.5m a year and everything is solved in Leaf Land.

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 18 Jul 2019 14:57:10
Someone would probably have to slap him pretty hard to get him to sign that deal.


2.) 18 Jul 2019 16:37:49
pretty sure I had read that the Leafs offered him 8 years x $10 mln already, so yah he's not signing that

He wants to sign a shorter team deal so he can hit paydirt again in 5 years or whatever.


3.) 19 Jul 2019 01:49:38
Get Ariana Grande to get him on the Igor then maybe he’ll sign it.


 

 

09 Aug 2018 20:14:33
Calgary Trades
Lazar

Toronto Trades
Leivo

More of a depth trade proposal but Leivo will play in Calgary and Lazar gives the Centre/RWing depth option for the Leafs 4th Line.

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 10 Aug 2018 02:33:40
Lazar as the 4th c wouldn’t be bad.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 19:14:49
I’d rather see them trade Leivo where he can get a good opportunity, because he’s been nothing but a loyal guy and a true professional when it couldn’t have been easy. But I’d rather just get a pick, like a 3rd or 4th than another guy to put in the same position.

I figure in the next few years, leafs will be trading quite a few 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks as they try to make deep playoff runs. Why not try to acquire a cpl extras when we can?!


 

 

 

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19 Jul 2019 09:22:37
@vbbbvvbb

Ristolainen is a 24yr old 6"4 215lbs RHanded Shooting Defenceman that averages 46points a year and you would buy him out?
He has been on a crap Team that has thrown him to the wolves at a young age, believe me Teams would want this guy including the Leafs.
Put with someone like Rielly I bet he is much better including Babcock coaching him.
He hits like a truck to and will fight if he has to.
Everything lacking on the Leaf Defense.

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17 Jul 2019 00:03:20
@Stammer2Leafs2016

I would rather keep Hyman as well but I looked at what Buffalo would want, Sheary is on an expiring contract where Hyman is signed for 3 more seasons including the 19/ 20.


@vbbbvvbb

Buffalo won't be trading any Centres they need another Centre, Sabres are deep at RHanded Shooting Defencemen and Ristolainen is a lot better than most people think, at 24yrs old and Babcock as his coach he would be better in Toronto.

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16 Jul 2019 19:53:49
Jack Campbell has played a total of 38 NHL Games, what has he done to prove any more worth?

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16 Jul 2019 11:41:39
I posted a similar trade a while back to be cut to pieces.
I had FGauthier and Sparks to the Kings for JCampbell.
Let's see your responses.

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16 Jul 2019 11:39:52
Let's flip a different Trade that's similar to yours @DetroitMantha.

Detroit Trades
Mantha
Hronek

Toronto Trades
Hyman

Tell me is that a fair Trade?

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