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18 Aug 2018 13:45:16
Blues Trade
Barbashev

Leafs Trade
Leivo

4th Line Depth Trade, Barbashev gives the Leafs more depth at 4th Line Center to share with Lindholm, Leivo should crack the Lineup with the Blues being a little weaker on RWing.
I expect to have backlash that Barbashev is the next Datsyuk and the Blues would never do this trade, let the attacks begin. LoL

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

 

 

17 Aug 2018 21:32:16
2 Trade Proposals

First.

Colorado Trades
Barrie

Toronto Trades
Brown
Carrick
1st Round Pick 2019


Second.

Detroit Trades
Nyquist

Toronto Trades
Leivo
2nd Round Pick 2019
3rd Round Pick 2020
7th Round Pick 2020


Don't want to hear can't compare The Skinner trade to this because Skinner is injury prone, Skinner has missed only 8 games in 4yrs Nyquist 6 games, if anything Skinner is the better player if compared, Colorado even though they made the playoffs are rebuilding on the fly and my trade Proposal helps them long term as well as this season as both Brown and Carrick will play full time with them.

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 18 Aug 2018 00:28:57
I think you've hit both trades right on the head. There is no way Detroit or Colorado could turn them down. Make sure you email the GM's of all three teams right now and let them take advantage of your superior trade packaging ability.

Colorado and Detroit fans: I'm only kidding, but I just wanted to give Pinball a positive response for once.


2.) 18 Aug 2018 01:05:33
1st one no from Colorado and Detroit probably takes that at the deadline but Toronto dose not need Nyquist. He would probably be playing fourth line.


3.) 18 Aug 2018 02:54:16
First Trade:

You are trading depth pieces and a 1st for the Avs best Defenseman. Not enough for Barrie. Also the Avs may be rebuilding on the fly like you say but the Avs still need good players to teach and hide the youth behind. Also Avs made the playoffs, they are probably trying to build around MacKinnon and not blow it up.

Second Trade:

I’m pretty sure someone on here literally said that there is no real comparison bar and Skinner trade shouldn’t really used as a comparable. It’s one thing to compare contracts based on similar play, doesn’t necessarily mean th trade values should be the same.

Regardless of th injury history, as a wings fan we decline. Those picks are also expected to be late now with all the expectations as leafs being cup favourites.

I do expect a better offer that doesn’t include fillers like Leivo. Or at least if there is a bidding war then I can see other teams beating that.

Main point- Nyquist won’t be a Maple Leaf. So you can forget it.


4.) 18 Aug 2018 03:43:55
Easiest no from Colorado and that’s a lot of nothing for Nyquist but 🤷🏼‍♂️.


5.) 18 Aug 2018 05:05:06
Well. at least it wasn't a proposal for Panarin.


6.) 18 Aug 2018 14:48:03
If you were a gm you'd have easily the best team in the league! But I guess have a hard time getting other gms to agree but your ideas trading garbage for talent are incredible!


 

 

16 Aug 2018 14:27:33
Columbus Trades
Panarin

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Rasanen (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional Pick only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

As a one Season rental I believe getting a 3rd line 2 way winger in Brown, a good prospect in Rasanen, plus a 1st and 2nd Round Pick in 2019 and 2020 plus a possible extra 1st Round Pick in 2020 is plenty enough to get Panarin, I will probably get backlash again on here but really it's honestly fair and helps both Teams in the big picture.

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 16 Aug 2018 15:05:18
How does it help Columbus? They want to win. why would they give up a guy who scored a point per game for depth and future picks? They will keep Panarin unless they get a solid top-6 forward back, that will contribute to the team now. Which now of these do.

Pinball you get backlash because the trades you propose only make the Leafs better, not the other team. You’re not terrible at determining value, but you need to look at trades from the perspective of both teams.


2.) 16 Aug 2018 15:18:14
I guess I don’t see why you always post the same, or very similar proposals all the time. The leafs are not resigning any high end forward not named Matthews, Marner and Nylander. They should keep Brown unless he’s involved in a deal for a defenseman. If Toronto decides to add another scoring threat it will be for this year only. I’m guessing the right deal is not available for a defenseman right now. Please make some new proposals instead of looking for approval from people who are sick of the garbage. Then come back hours later tweaking the same stuff. You’ve been back for a week and it’s getting old already.


3.) 16 Aug 2018 15:19:11
ProDepth the problem the Jackets have with Panarin is he will probably walk as a UFA after this Season, if he is locked for even 2yrs than yes it's not enough to get a Top Forward like Panarin, but Columbus needs to move forward for the now and future, I am sure the Islanders are kicking themselves for not getting anything for Tavares and Columbus must have that at the back of there mind, will Columbus win the Cup this coming Season, probably not so keeping Panarin is a step backwards, I made this proposal because Panarin is a rental and in the end is probably going either to a Florida Team or Chicago as a UFA.


4.) 16 Aug 2018 15:19:36
Stopppppppp posting crap like this over and over and over and over again.


5.) 16 Aug 2018 15:55:29
Keeping Panarin helps them more then this deal does. If they keep Panarin and make a deep run in the playoffs (they had a 3-1 lead on The eventual cup winners; and their team is very young) then maybe Panarin considers resigning or they give the city a playoff run they’ve never experienced.

If they make this trade, the blue jackets become significantly worse (Panarin was a lot of their offence) and none of the pieces coming back will likely be difference makers, and Brown is the only asset that is a safe bet to contribute to the team.

There’s a reason people disagree with your proposals, stop trying to change everyone’s mind.


6.) 16 Aug 2018 16:14:42
Again, CLB will be able to get at least this much at the deadline if they decide to trade Panarin. So, they're better off just playing him until then and getting the same assets at the deadline rather than doing the Leafs a favour and sending him to Toronto now.


7.) 16 Aug 2018 16:35:13
On top of why would CBJ do it, and other teams would be in the bidding, every trade you make is stacking depth players on depth players.

Championship teams have familiar depth players playing important roles. Lars Eller, Jacob Vrana, even Alex Chiasson on the caps, and Bryan Rust and Carl haglins on the pens. No other team is going to value them as much as their own team. They are not going to fetch you a lot in a trade but they know the system, they know the style of game you want them to play and they can go up and down a lineup while not taking much cap space

Those are Brown, Hyman, Kapanen and Johnsson for us. You aren’t going to get panarin by trading them, but your team has a better chance of going deep or even winning with Matthews, marner, Nylander and those 4 than you do just adding panarin at the expense of your depth.

This one you only have giving up one of them, but I think this offer gets beat.


8.) 17 Aug 2018 09:52:02
Maybe try even more quantity instead of quality? lol.


9.) 18 Aug 2018 03:09:52
Just cause panarin probably doesn't want to signing clb doesn't mean they want to give him away for spare parts, they start at top 6 winger and go from there, not a bunch of futures, plus those 1st round picks would be late anyway so not sure things by any means.


 

 

14 Aug 2018 13:56:12
Detroit Trades
Nyquist

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Joshua (Big-10)
2nd Round Pick 2019
6th Round Pick 2020

Red Wings are in some Cap issues and with more of a rebuild underway and Nyquist to become a UFA after this Season this makes sense for them, plus Leivo will be a regular in the NHL finally which he deserves.
The Leafs add to there Top 6 and Babcock knows Nyquist well from his Detroit Coaching days, it also sets up another Trade to get a Defenceman with either Connor Brown or Kapanen plus there 2019 1st Round Pick being the center pieces.
Ok this post isn't a Panarin Trade Proposal and really does make sense for both Teams.

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 14 Aug 2018 14:16:27
I think you need help.


2.) 14 Aug 2018 14:56:38
For this return, I think Detroit is better off just letting him walk at the end of the year.


3.) 14 Aug 2018 15:20:29
Similar to the Skinner Trade everyone and Detroit has to get the Cap Space down, to say #memarcusjoe that the Wings would rather Nyquist walk than get that in return tells me you are only looking at this Season for Detroit who won't make the Playoffs with or without Nyquist and Detroit doesn't care about the future or the Salary Cap rules.
I do believe on here people see it's a Pinball Post so of course it's slammed.


4.) 14 Aug 2018 15:46:11
Actually Pinball, it's just that if you want a team to trade with you, you need to give them an incentive. You've offered two players with a low percentage chance of becoming 4th liners in the NHL. Along with 2 picks that have an even lower chance of making it to the NHL at all. So, why would they trade him? They can likely get at least that return and probably more at the deadline from a contending team and they've been able to use him for half a season.


5.) 14 Aug 2018 17:55:58
mwmarcusjoe Nyquist was a 4th Round Pick so to say a 2nd Round Pick isn't worth anything makes no sense, the only reason Leivo isn't a regular is because the Leafs forwards are to deep and he has scored in every league he has ever Played in he just needs to play, Nyquist is a UFA and not as good as Skinner is and Carolina got less, so I see a trade even though you see Nyquist as more than what he is.


6.) 14 Aug 2018 18:05:06
yeah no thanks,

You want nyquist start think rental price 1st and b prospect. Possible retention for a better prospect. Easy 20 goals and 30 assists. COuld produce more with a better team.


7.) 14 Aug 2018 18:12:32
Pinball, exactly as Redwing1 says. The Wings will get more trading him at the deadline. They have no obligation to do the Leafs a favour and take a lowball offer just because you want them to. No matter how much you try to rationalize it.


8.) 14 Aug 2018 18:19:07
Ok #redwing1

Nyquist for Leivo, Joshua, 1st Round Pick 2019.

Is that enough?

I would do that if I where Dubas also.


9.) 14 Aug 2018 19:11:57
Few things to consider:

1. Skinner may be the more productive player over Nyquist but also is way more injury prone which lowered his value. Nyquist is healthier and could use a change of scenery.

2. Detroit has been under Babcock's coaching for so long that many players are tired of him. I think even Nyquist can attest to this, so him wanting to go to Toronto based on familiarity may only be one sided. You would have better luck with Glenndenning instead.

3.With Zetterberg's likely injury, he will go on LTIR. So we don't need cap space immediately. We can get it easily by deadline trading these players. There is not a big rush.

4. If we trade Nyquist as a rental, we will still have enough room to maximize his value. We obviously won't get what Tatar got but we could still get a 2nd, 3rd and ok prospect. Maybe even more with retention.

5. @Pinball, your last deal still only gives us a first of value and two useless players. I think we could get better elsewhere if that's TOs best offer.


10.) 14 Aug 2018 19:18:33
Again the Wings are over the Cap by almost 4 million, they have to shed salary before preseason not at the deadline mwmarcusjoe.
Salary Cap rules are in place and Detroit is over the Cap.


11.) 14 Aug 2018 20:00:58
Skinner is injury prone #Datsyuk_Fan13?
Skinner in 4yrs has missed 8 games Nyquist 6 games only 2 more games than Nyquist, so before you post know your facts, Skinner is a better player than Nyquist again that's a fact, also what Carolina got for Skinner is still less than my proposal, Carolina set the bar for 50 point wingers going into there last year before being a UFA and weather it's the Leafs or another Team what I proposed is about right. Again that's fact.


12.) 14 Aug 2018 20:43:02
@Pinball

I was referring to Skinner having had multiple concussions in his history. He is finally starting to show signs of recovery.

Concussion issues even in the past still hurt trade value.

If h gets another one, then those many games played the last 4 years you mentioned are pointless.

I agree Skinner is the better player but doesn’t mean everyone else will sell for that low.

Also the Canes took this deal because they didn’t want to risk lowering his value, an injury or poor production would have hurt it.


13.) 14 Aug 2018 20:46:05
I’ll just say this. There is absolutely no way Nyquist should get what Skinner got. I think a 2nd for Nyquist is more then fair but even just giving a 7th is redundant from a Toronto POV where would he even play?

A team like Columbus will probably acquire him for a 2nd or a 3rd + a prospect. Teams are starting to become reluctant to trade 1sts and no one will give an Unconditional 1st.

I feel like just the username it’s self is leading to hate.


14.) 14 Aug 2018 20:50:22
Also in regards to cap space, I am pretty sure LTiR will end up covering most of this.

If not then we will make a trade and get the return we like, so far I’m not loving the Leafs proposal you mentioned so don’t count on the leafs getting Nyquist.

P. s I looked up and found a fact that the last trade between Wings and Leafs was March 24, 1998


Not expecting another one anytime soon.


15.) 14 Aug 2018 21:23:45
I just don't think the Skinner trade set a bar (TBH I don't think there is ever a bar ) . Mostly because when there is a good player to get and there is no NTC then a biding war happens ya it might not get super high. IK we all think our GM is stupid at times but they also look to what they think is best for the team. For all we know Skinner could have been sold low due to them just wanting to trade him and his NMC affected some of those trades.


16.) 14 Aug 2018 23:14:31
That's true ctc and also the prospect they got back could have been higher on there radar then most people think he is.


17.) 15 Aug 2018 05:36:06
Nyquist isn’t really anything special tho no team will start a bidding war.


18.) 15 Aug 2018 17:27:01
Why is there an argument about nyquist on here.
after the leafs detroit is my second favourite team, nyquist really isn't that great highest points in season was 54, 4 years ago. he has had 40, 48, 43, 54, 48 over his past 5 years in the league. He is not worth a 1st as a bunch of guys on here are saying (could he get a return with one, honestly I wouldn't be surprised. i won't overestimate nhl gms)

on the the return, a 2nd + 3rd/ 4th probably gets him. With Lievo he easily makes the red wings top 9 (without nyquist) would you take any of glendenning/ bertuzzi/ frk over him? i sure as hell wouldnt. he doesn't fit on the leafs forwards core because they have at least 12 fwrds better than him.

I'd love for Det to get a 1st for nyquist but i'm not sur eit will happen. also why does nyquist fit on the leafs? the only forwards I take nyquist over are brown, ennis, lindholm who will most likely be tor's 4th line. (for what its worth nyquist is probably better than kapanen/ johnsson right now but i take that youth and upside over him our top 9)

Wow I just wasted my time on Gustav Nyquist. i swear he better get the wings a 1st now.


19.) 15 Aug 2018 20:44:28
Skinner had his injuries earlier but they weren’t missing tons of time. And over his last 5 seasons, he has 140g while missing a total of 18 games. An argument of Nyquists durability over skinner does not hold water lol.


20.) 15 Aug 2018 21:59:22
Big Z, well said. You’re dead on. Only guys he could beat out are guys we expect to put up his type of pts (45-55) down the road and they’re dirt cheap right now and need the experience. Extremely counter productive.


21.) 15 Aug 2018 22:34:39
We don't need more offence.


22.) 15 Aug 2018 23:07:29
Big Z is right 100%.


23.) 16 Aug 2018 21:14:37
That is what everyone is saying. But for some reason every leaf trade proposed has been for a fwd and they don't need that and we all see it and disagree because of that fact not value wise.


 

 

14 Aug 2018 00:12:45
Columbus Trades
Panarin
3rd Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
Gardiner
Connor Brown
1st Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 14 Aug 2018 02:38:38
Columbus doesn't want or need Gardiner. It weakens the trade by including Gardiner.

They will want a Kapanen or Johnsson type prospect +.


2.) 14 Aug 2018 02:46:28
Let it go Pinball. Try and get Muzzin ect.


3.) 14 Aug 2018 05:20:17
I kinda disagree Columbus needs another puck mover on defence. I also think Gardiner gets a bad rap. He has warts in his game but he can advance the puck.


4.) 14 Aug 2018 12:57:17
I have gotten it's not enough for Panarin etc, so I added Gardiner and took out Rasanen and Joshua and still mostly get not good enough.
If Columbus is in a win now attitude how is this proposal not in this Trade, Gardiner got 52 points in 82 games last year which is a Top pairing defence with Seth Jones, Werenski and Ryan Murray drop down to give the Jackets a Top Defense in the NHL, Connor Brown isn't Panarin but is still a very good 2 way winger that fits in with what the Jackets have now, and swapping a 1st Rounder for a 3rd Rounder should be enough, yes the Leafs will have to go out and get a Faulk or Spurgeon but that's easier right now than getting a difference maker in Panarin.


5.) 14 Aug 2018 13:48:02
Pinball It's not always about value but needs Toronto doesn't need Panarin as of rn that is the big issue (at least IMO )
don't get me wrong he is a great player but Toronto has him in spades practically what toronto needs is rather vets that can help out in depth FWD roles or top-4 D.


6.) 15 Aug 2018 17:35:47
The only defenceman better than gardiner right now is Jones (one of the best in the league), werenski is going to better than gardiner i'm sure but you can't say that columbus can't use a 50 pt puck moving dman. having werenski+jones on the first line with gardiner+murray/ savard on the 2nd pair is an amazing top 4.
Connor brown makes almost ever top 9 in the league and is a really good two way player. and then there's the most likely late 1st. The team doesn't get much worse and gains a 1st

Thats a decent return for a pending ufa. ugh I don't like defending pinball.


7.) 16 Aug 2018 00:35:46
If Gardiner is a 50 point D man then Werenski is a 47 point D. Columbus doesn’t need Gardiner, yeah he’d be nice to have but I don’t think Columbus is desperate enough yet to have him as the main piece for Panarin. Werenski and Murray as there top 4 left D is solid they don’t need Gardiner or Murray playing 3rd pair.


 

 

 

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09 Aug 2018 20:14:33
Calgary Trades
Lazar

Toronto Trades
Leivo

More of a depth trade proposal but Leivo will play in Calgary and Lazar gives the Centre/RWing depth option for the Leafs 4th Line.

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 10 Aug 2018 02:33:40
Lazar as the 4th c wouldn’t be bad.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 19:14:49
I’d rather see them trade Leivo where he can get a good opportunity, because he’s been nothing but a loyal guy and a true professional when it couldn’t have been easy. But I’d rather just get a pick, like a 3rd or 4th than another guy to put in the same position.

I figure in the next few years, leafs will be trading quite a few 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks as they try to make deep playoff runs. Why not try to acquire a cpl extras when we can?!


 

 

 

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16 Aug 2018 15:19:11
ProDepth the problem the Jackets have with Panarin is he will probably walk as a UFA after this Season, if he is locked for even 2yrs than yes it's not enough to get a Top Forward like Panarin, but Columbus needs to move forward for the now and future, I am sure the Islanders are kicking themselves for not getting anything for Tavares and Columbus must have that at the back of there mind, will Columbus win the Cup this coming Season, probably not so keeping Panarin is a step backwards, I made this proposal because Panarin is a rental and in the end is probably going either to a Florida Team or Chicago as a UFA.

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16 Aug 2018 00:34:25
Even if Ottawa accepted this ridiculous proposal why would Montreal do it?
Canadiens need to tear it down and start again with good Draft Choices, not Drafting Brady Tkachuk wasn't a good start but they need to rebuild not retool.

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15 Aug 2018 14:04:13
And you slam me #McJesusChrist for my posts?
Not even close for Faulk.

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14 Aug 2018 20:00:58
Skinner is injury prone #Datsyuk_Fan13?
Skinner in 4yrs has missed 8 games Nyquist 6 games only 2 more games than Nyquist, so before you post know your facts, Skinner is a better player than Nyquist again that's a fact, also what Carolina got for Skinner is still less than my proposal, Carolina set the bar for 50 point wingers going into there last year before being a UFA and weather it's the Leafs or another Team what I proposed is about right. Again that's fact.

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14 Aug 2018 19:18:33
Again the Wings are over the Cap by almost 4 million, they have to shed salary before preseason not at the deadline mwmarcusjoe.
Salary Cap rules are in place and Detroit is over the Cap.

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