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10 Feb 2018 23:46:32
Deadline deals

Detroit trades
Green
Toronto trades
Soshikov and 2nd in 2018

NYR trades
Nash
Winnipeg trades
Petan and 3rd in 2018

Arizona trade
Haljarmin
Tampa Bay trade
2nd in 2018 and 2019

Toronto trade
Martin retain 25%
Arizona trade
7th in 2018

Vancouver trade
Gudbranson
Toronto trade
Bracco and Niellson

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11 Feb 2018 04:38:36
Some not bad. Don’t see why arizona would pay to get Matt martin, even at 25% retained. I’d do the soshnikov one for sure, but think there might be a better offer for green. Also I think Nielsen and Bracco is an overpayment for sure for Gudbranson. I’d say that’s a bettter package than Sosh and a 2nd but green is far better than Gud. Also don’t need 2 RHD coming in.

11 Feb 2018 04:53:50
In my opinion nash could get a better return, but the rest sound close.

11 Feb 2018 14:08:37
Even though that’s probably Greens value, I’m certain Detroit will get more for Green

I would assume any package involving Nash will have a 1st round pick coming back to the Rangers

Hjalmarsson was had for far less last season and hasn’t played nearly as well this year. However given the history of past deadlines, this one seems pretty likely.

If Toronto found a way to not retain salary on a $7M Phaneuf, I’m sure they can find a way to trade $2.5 without retention. I also don’t think the Leafs would punish Martin by sending him to the desert. Although he’s overpaid, he’s done nothing but treat the Leafs with respect and has provided them valuable leadership in the past couple seasons. For that reason I see the Leafs trying to find a much better home for him rather than Arizona.

No chance Toronto makes that trade. Gudbranson is just a younger version of Polak and he makes 3.5M per year. I wouldn’t trade anything more than a 4th round pick for him. Plenty other options available.

11 Feb 2018 21:52:37
Terrible offer. Why would Toronto trade Martin for a 7th and over payment for green. Sosh is a real Player and a keeper to replace Komorov. Hope the Leafs stand pat. Next season is the one.

11 Feb 2018 01:01:11
TORONTO receives: Valimaki, Bennett

CALGARY receives: Marner

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11 Feb 2018 03:11:31
Start with Tkachuk. add from there
There’s no avoiding it.

11 Feb 2018 03:53:48
The only imaginable way Marner is headed to Calgary is in a deal involving Dougie Hamilton. So basically it’s not happening.

11 Feb 2018 06:31:09
Not enough for Marner and btw you don’t add to Tkachuk for Marner, they’re very equal.

11 Feb 2018 14:56:27
Yeah I would take tkachuk for marner straight up. He just does so much more than Mitch but may not have to same ceiling in pts. But I think he could help you win in other ways that marner never will. Can’t go wrong with either of them.

11 Feb 2018 15:49:50
I agree that package likely wouldn’t get Marner but the 2 other replies are worse. Seriously, Hamilton, a 6’4” excellent skating D with a great offensive game and now so much better with his D game as well for a smaller guy with 12 goals. yea that’s a good idea. Pfft. And Tkachuk does so much more and also has great potential to put up more points. Leafs would have to add there for sure.

10 Feb 2018 23:37:00
Tampa Bay: Stephans, Foote

Mtl: Patches

Fair price for a top line winger? And those two teams aren't scared of making deals

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11 Feb 2018 03:13:29
I think Foote is in Tampa long term plan and Tampa won’t have the money to resign Patches.

11 Feb 2018 04:27:36
Tampa doesn't need Patches. They are going to use their big spending on a D man.

10 Feb 2018 22:52:58
Van: Tanev

For: Demott and Kapanen.

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11 Feb 2018 03:53:55
Could see Vancouver takin that.

11 Feb 2018 03:55:37
No from Toronto. Dermott is going to be better than Tanev in a couple of seasons and Kapanen is starting to show he’s a very capable NHL player with huge upside. Tanev has another 2-3 years before his production starts to drop off significantly.

11 Feb 2018 04:10:40
What do you mean production? He’s not a guy that will get points and Toronto doesn’t need one. They want a guy that can hold the fort down and he’s capable of doing that for a long time for Toronto and he’s got a very reasonable cap hit to go along with that.

11 Feb 2018 04:43:34
I agree that you can’t judge tanev on points, and if I’m Vancouver I would want quite a bit for him, but I wouldn’t give those 2 kids for him. They have both been really bright spots over the last month or so in the NHL and in the AHL before that. Only 20 and 21. Dermott looks like he’s the type of D that’s going to excel in the league. Insanely good skater. Never know this early, and haven’t been sold on a leafs D prospect other than Rielly in the last 7-8 years, but this kid looks legit.

11 Feb 2018 08:19:00
Never said anything about point totals, production doesn’t always mean points. I’m talking mainly about his advanced stats, for example his Corsi rating, expected shots against while on the ice, high danger chances given up, etc. Maybe you aren’t aware of those. As players get older, especially defensemen, their skating takes a hit and therefore so does their overall defensive play. So, like I said originally, in 2-3 years Tanev will certainly be worse than he is now, which is right around where the leafs will be contending for a cup, and Dermott and Kapanen will both be 22-23 years old. So tell me, why on earth does Toronto make that trade?

11 Feb 2018 13:19:35
AO99. What you are seeing is typical Toronto fans overvaluing their players. Dermot maybe good but what's he had. a good 2 weeks? Think of how they cherished luke schenn. he was going to be next captain. lol

And whatever happened to "the monstee"?

11 Feb 2018 15:28:03
I believe you mean the monster not the monstee. And he was a free agent signing that had multiple teams bidding on him. It didn’t work out, don’t remember anyone calling for him to win the vezina tho lol and no one is saying dermott is great, in my response I even said it’s only been a month and it’s too early to say for sure but he’s a great skater and has a chance. How is that over valuing? Lol you’re a clown.

12 Feb 2018 17:47:18
Wow. mature response
But. typical.

10 Feb 2018 22:19:08
Saw this Today....

To Islanders
Green
Mrazek

To Detroit
2018 1st
2018 2nd
Soderstrom
Ho-Sang

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11 Feb 2018 02:00:23
No from Isles. Big overpayment imo.

10 Feb 2018 19:19:29
Toronto: Nylander + Liljegren + Kapanen + 1st

Ottawa: Karlsson

🤷🏼‍♂️
Value wise would those teams make it?
Realistically not going to happen. Just a post.
Ottawa will never win the trade ever, so trying to minimize the loss.

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10 Feb 2018 20:00:02
Depends on if Toronto had an extension in place. If they don't that's quite a bit of quality for 1 1/2 years even if it is karlsson

Values there but it'd never happen between division rivals.

10 Feb 2018 20:00:31
I think Ottawa Wins that trade by a landslide. Marks on is good but Lilijegreen and a first and Kappy good. Not Nylander +++ Lilijegreen and happy good. Lol.

10 Feb 2018 20:01:08
Not a chance from Toronto.

10 Feb 2018 20:18:01
I'd say for a season and a half of Karlson, sens make out like bandits. If that’s the price leafs have to pay for a guarantee 1.5 years of Karlson they should walk away. Rebuilding takes more than 2-3 years, leafs need to hang on to their assets.

10 Feb 2018 20:18:57
I don’t know what Ottawa would want in return but that’s basically 4 first rounders. I definitely would not like the deal from a Toronto perspective.

10 Feb 2018 20:51:31
How would trading karlsson to your divisional rival minimize the loss? What a joke.

10 Feb 2018 21:41:32
Ottwawa loses one of the best D in the game but they’d take that for sure IMO.

10 Feb 2018 21:50:50
I think it's to much for Karlsson.

10 Feb 2018 22:48:08
Am Not enough for karlsson.

10 Feb 2018 22:54:56
Toronto should do it because they are giving up only 1 roster player and they have depth to cover Nylander and they get the best defensemen in the game.

10 Feb 2018 23:26:57
Oops oh no this is guaranteed extension also.

10 Feb 2018 23:28:45
Imo, its too much from EK. Cause Nylanders basically a 50-60 point guy with potential of 70, and he's dual C/ W, Liljegren is the best prospect Toronto has, Kapanen, in limited minutes has looked solid, and a 1st is a 1st. Honestly, this trade may hurt Toronto more than it helps in the long run, even if EK is resigned. Its just too much imo.

10 Feb 2018 23:30:28
And ya obvs said it wouldn’t happen haha just value wise.

10 Feb 2018 23:37:36
Karllson is a stud dman but if Toronto does this I think it will come back to burn them. And extending him would cost alot.

11 Feb 2018 04:49:33
Massive Karlsson fan but I would hope leafs wouldn’t pay that for him. I know he makes any team instantly better, but I feel like drew doughty makes the leafs better than Karlsson does. He just addresses more of the areas our game is soft. Unbelievable talent for both of them, but long term, I don’t think Karlsson helps us as much as all those pieces do, and when it’s going to come with an 8 year extension, have to think long term.

11 Feb 2018 12:15:09
Leafs are 2nd in dman points. They need a solid stay home dman.

11 Feb 2018 14:03:43
Not part of the Shanaplan.
So a big NO for that dumb trade proposal.

11 Feb 2018 14:04:26
Replace kapanen and liljegren with marner and add Phaneuf and lupul to each end then we have something to look at as a starting point, leafs might still have to add based on what Colorado got for Duchene and the fact that karlsson is not only a defenceman but that has a much better player than Duchene is thus he's worth more.

Marner, nylander, lupul, and their late 1st

Karlsson, Phaneuf

Toronto unloads lupul and brings back Phaneuf via karlsson. But is now in a position where Phaneuf can be used properly, in doing so they add the best defenceman in the last decade.

Ottawa uses EKs value to unload Phaneufs contract by adding one that expires sooner same way Toronto did in original deal but also adds 2 solid top six forwards and a late 1st in a weak draft class. with the addition of the 2 fowards they will have some flexibility up front and can afford to move brassard, Ryan, and Smith for other pieces like maybe draft picks, prospects, or replacement dman. example Ryan to rangers for shattenkirk. bad contract for bad contract but both players would fit better with the other team. also brassard to pitsberg or Columbus for a 1st both have been rumored this year. and smith to calgary for two years of 3rds also been rumored.

Hoffman Duchene stone
Marner white nylander
Formenton brown Dzingle
Batherson pageau pyatt

Chabot shattenkirk
Claeson Ceci
Harpur/ borowieski wideman

Ottawa's speed would be upped tremendously while Toronto fixes their biggest issue which is their blue line by adding the crazy 1 2 punch of Matthews karlsson with Phaneuf net front presence.

11 Feb 2018 14:07:16
Karsson way better than the sum of those parts.

11 Feb 2018 15:33:06
@no bias, leafs are not taking phaneufs contract back lol the fact that the sens took that without leafs retaining anything in the first place is still talked about as one of the greatest heists. We had to retain on kessel who is a far better player. Your GM took the full salary for the lesser player, that’s on him. No trade backsies lol.

11 Feb 2018 16:54:32
Dorion is not stupid enough to trade an impact player like that to a team within the same division.

11 Feb 2018 18:39:32
Why would the leafs feel obligated to unload the lupul contract? Its not costing them a dime.

11 Feb 2018 19:19:40
Nylander and Marner for EK and Dion Phaneuf? No bias my a** lmao.

11 Feb 2018 21:53:31
And saying Dorion isn’t dumb enough to trade a star within the division? but he took a contract that was killing a division rival without having them retain salary, never got a good prospect or pick that was an incentive and in fact gave the best prospect (Tobias Lindberg) and the only pick (2nd rounder) in the deal. He’s the only guy I can think of that did that too, so who knows? lol.

12 Feb 2018 19:24:12
Jim you need to do your homework better. it was murray not Dorian who acquired Phaneuf.

And I've said it before I'll continue to say it again unroll it sinks in. contracts, good or bad, do not make or break a deal as there are many ways around bad contracts.

1 way is retention, another is by packaging a bad contract with a desired piece (in this case a generational talent known as Erik karlsson), another way is by taking back another bad contract with less term (Like lupul in this case)

I guarantee Phaneuf gets traded again before his contract expires an most likely before the start of next season. there has been interest stemming from the kings in acquiring him for a playoff run from what I've been hearing.

Also note that an asking prices has been set on one Derrick brassard as well that proves I far from over value the sens players as I've said all along is be content with a mid 1st for Brassard who Dorian has set an asking price of a 1st, a top prospect, and a third unidentified piece for. clearly I undervalued him just not as much as the rest of you have.

Thank sakic for the ridiculous over values of certain players now days.

Think of it this way. if brassard demands that big of a return karlsson probably demands a lot more than I previously stated as well seeing as how he's 10 × the player brassard is, he plays a more important role and position, and he can single handedly change the game when he's healthy, went through summer training camp, and is not recovering from surgury.

Ryan may be tougher to move than Phaneuf due to his plastic fingers but even he could find the right suiter if they tried to.

10 Feb 2018 17:29:14
It's no secret the goaltending on Long island is a disgrace. What about making a move for Craig Anderson? His #'s are down this year but he is a much better goalie than Halak IMO. Anderson might just need a fresh start on a team battling for a playoff spot. Halak is a UFA so Ottawa can let him walk and address their goaltending in the off season. Also, Tavares has said he wants to see management doing everything they can to put together a winning team.

Anderson for Halak plus a 2nd or 3rd?

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10 Feb 2018 19:10:31
I think that’s interesting but I’d think Ottawa would want a better return since they will be entering their full rebuild. But I also don’t know how much they value Anderson. But good post.

10 Feb 2018 21:09:02
Andys turning 37 in may, he's been a great goalie for a long time. it all comes down to how much gas he has left in the tank, personally I've been expecting this drop off for a season or two now because of his rising age. Wish ottawa did something with they're goaltending in the off season last year when all the fleurys and bishops were on the move, even all the jonathan berniers, mike smiths and brian elliotts. Too bad the sens couldn't have got in on that goalie carousel.

11 Feb 2018 00:44:14
Interesting . However. Sens Just offered him an extention so i don't think they're planning on trading him. Also i wouldn't love taking back back Halak if we're only getting a 2nd. but Andy would definitly help NYI.

11 Feb 2018 03:01:41
Thanks for the responses. I think Anderson has enough left in the tank to make a playoff run and he has 1 more year left I believe. I understand Hoff but Halak is a UFA so they don’t have to keep him. Maybe Halak and a 1st would be more appropriate? I didn’t look to see other UFA goalies this year but the money they save on Anderson could get a good goalie as well, plus the pick for a rebuild.

11 Feb 2018 14:05:47
Ottawa wouldn't want halak.

Maybe replace halak with Michael dal Cole. sure he looks like a bust now but maybe he just needs a change of scenery and ottawa might do it for him. i'd sooner take my chances on him than halak.

10 Feb 2018 16:10:02
Mtl: Plekanec
(Ufa so gone this summer)

Chi:Seabrook,Hartman

Mtl are TAKING a 7 million dollar contract but are getting a good rmyoung player to justify and to start rebuild)

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10 Feb 2018 16:45:54
Hell no.

10 Feb 2018 17:57:54
So are another aging slow Dman for a long term expensive contract.
Honestly., dunno what Seabrook has left for contract. all I know, he was (is) a really good Dman, however he is starting to slow., and this shouldn't be the direction the Habs go in. but with Bergevin. anything is possible.

10 Feb 2018 19:10:56
Literally does not make any sense whatsoever for Montreal lol.

10 Feb 2018 19:40:37
Chicago would probably have to add a 1st and one or two good prospects to take seabrooks contract.6 years at 6.875 or something like that.

10 Feb 2018 23:42:30
Hartman isn't good enough to make taking on seabrooks contract worthwhile.

11 Feb 2018 03:16:47
Damn I thought Seebroke had a positive value.

10 Feb 2018 16:00:54
I heard rumors that Edmonton regret signing Lucid and want to get rid of him. I think he's worth a decent amount since he's putting good number and has a good presence. How bout this:

Mtl: Patches

Edm: Lucic, Yamamoto

Would this be fair?

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10 Feb 2018 16:46:27
Helll no from mtl u crazy lucic has negative value.

10 Feb 2018 18:08:25
Honestly don’t think it’s thaaat bad. Montreal was going to give Lucic a contract not far from what he has now. Plus he puts up decent numbers. Then again this is coming from a guy that would get rid of him in a heartbeat. Lol.

10 Feb 2018 19:12:09
Can see lucic waiving his NMC but I don’t think Edmonton should make that imo.

10 Feb 2018 20:23:22
I think Edmonton will be sticking with Lucic for the next couple years at least. He does put up decent #’s and is a great physical presence. The last couple years of the contract could be ugly but they will deal with that then. When your team is in need of wingers and you don’t have a lot of options because of his contract, you keep him and hope for the best.

10 Feb 2018 21:53:17
Edmonton shouldn't do this. Patches will probabaly command 7 million a year after this contract. with McDavid inflating his numbers, maybe more.

11 Feb 2018 06:05:39
I personally would never do that deal, but this a Marc Bergevin type of deal.

10 Feb 2018 15:49:16
St Louis: Stasny,Dunn,2 rd pick 2019

Chicago: Toews

Is this fair for both teams. Chicago downgrade center but could resign him if he adept around 4 million. I'd say it's fair Right? Chicago gets a good defense prospect to replace Keith maybe

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10 Feb 2018 18:21:35
Edmondson is out 6 weeks so making dunn available is a no go. Besides he is looking to be jaybos replacement. Why wouldn't blues resign stats at 4 mil.

10 Feb 2018 19:12:57
Wtf is this lol.

10 Feb 2018 21:53:46
Toews will more than likely be a Hawk for life.

 


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