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13 Jun 2018 21:23:10
Read in article:

Oil: Lucic

Florida: Petrovic + McGinn

Again apparently Floria is heavily interested (crazy) in lucic.

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13 Jun 2018 23:00:27
If Florida does this, its one of the dumbest trades they could make.

If Lucic gets traded, it should be so that Edmonton gets him off their hands, not getting a dman whos decent and basically a replacement for him at half term/ half cost.

14 Jun 2018 03:36:28
I agree man but it’s what I read. And lucic is still a serviceable hockey player he has purpose, it’s just his context is atrocious. If he was making 4mil/ year I wouldn’t have the slightest problem with him staying on the oilers as a 2nd/ 3rd line LW.

14 Jun 2018 10:57:27
Edmonton adds.

14 Jun 2018 11:30:55
@MJC

Totally agree man, that's why i didn't go hard on ya for it. Idk, imo, i'd feel as though a straight across for a gjy like Abdelkader or sumtin is what Lucic would get. cap problem for cap problem ya know? And I agree, Lucic at 3.5 x 4 wouldn’t be bad. But 6 x 6 is a bit ugly considering what looks like a sharp decline on a slower player nonetheless.

14 Jun 2018 17:27:47
6x6 was always a terrible idea but at the time that’s what it took to sign him and to think Montreal (apparently) had more money on the table for him lol yikes.

13 Jun 2018 21:21:27
Read in article:

Oil: Lucic
Dallas: Spezza

Apparently Dallas was/ is very interested in lucic and they have 17m in cap space.

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14 Jun 2018 00:20:36
Hahahaha brutal for Dallas.

14 Jun 2018 03:36:59
Yeah doesn't make much sense I think Spezza only has 1 year left to.

14 Jun 2018 17:11:19
What you got to understand bro, some articles have such a lack of credibility that they’re better left ignored. The reality is, without taking back a equally terrible contract like Praise or Seabrook they’re not dumping Lucic unless they also give Pulj or the 10th. So like yup said ( who is very biased but yet the most knowledgeable oilers fan here said. ) Milian Lucic will probably be an Oiler come October 1st.

14 Jun 2018 17:28:44
Lol what is there to understand all I did was post something I saw haah doesn’t mean I agree or not 😂 but chances are lucic doesn’t get moved yup.

13 Jun 2018 16:06:17
3 way

Oil: Ristolainen
Buffalo: Trouba
Winnipeg: Klefbom.

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13 Jun 2018 16:26:46
Klefbom for Risto lol Risto out produced Klefbom in every Catagory besides +- while being on the worst team in the nhl. Risto will not be moved. If anything it’d be Risto for Trouba. Also an added point Dahlin is left handed so is Scandella so he’d be 3rd on the depth chart where as Risto is number 1 on almost any team.

13 Jun 2018 16:54:34
Well it is risto for Trouba technically 🤔 if you can read above, because that’s how it turns out.

13 Jun 2018 16:57:48
Edmonton would be the only team to do this. Klefbom has too much of an injury history and although a good player, he’s to big of a risk. Ristolainen is the youngest and has been the most productive and healthiest of the 3. Trouba has had some injury issues as well but has produced offensively at close to the same level as Klefbom and is more physical. Factor in that risto and trouba are both right shot defencemen. Edmonton should go after Ristolainen but it’s going to cost more than Klefbom.

13 Jun 2018 17:14:40
Very heavily biased toward EDM.

13 Jun 2018 17:21:49
I really don't see the Jets wanting or needing Klefbom, especially for Trouba. If Trouba was on the block there would be over a dozen teams trying to make a deal that would bring the Jets a much better return than Klefbom.

13 Jun 2018 19:42:25
Klefbom can slide in for Enstrom islandjet, and okay who would be a better return than klef considering his performance when he’s healthy and his contract?
And thanks Pitt that’s a good explanation.

13 Jun 2018 21:50:00
Regardless Trouba is much better then Klefbom. Why wouldn’t Winnipeg just trade Him for Risto?

13 Jun 2018 21:57:28
Well why would Winnipeg trade a rhd for another rhd when they need a lefty?

13 Jun 2018 23:38:28
It’s known that RHD is harder to get in high end players than LHD. So why would the teams with the RHD take back the lesser player while giving up the premium? Makes no sense for anyone but edmonton value wise. Put yourself in the other teams situation and imagine how you would respond to it lol klefbom our and risto in with no other parts?! Come on.

14 Jun 2018 00:35:44
Edmonton needs a RHD. But would the oilers rather have Josi or David Savard? Comparing Klefbom to Trouba is like comparing Josi to Savard.

14 Jun 2018 03:38:05
That’s the worst comparison iv ever heard of bruh haha.

14 Jun 2018 03:39:55
Absolutely no from Winnipeg. Where is the incentive for the Jets to downgrade from Trouba to Klefbom?

14 Jun 2018 10:50:40
winnipeg doesn't touch this idk about buffalo oilers run away like bandits.

14 Jun 2018 14:24:25
Klefbom isn’t good. Savard isn’t good. Trouba is a excellent number two dman/ 1B to compliment a offensive D man. Josi is a Star.

13 Jun 2018 16:04:48
Edmonton:
Corey Perry RW
3rd 2019

Anaheim:
Milan Lucic LW
2nd 2018

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13 Jun 2018 16:27:43
Oilers add a lot Lucic has nagitive value. Perry is still great.

13 Jun 2018 16:55:10
Perry great 😂.

13 Jun 2018 17:03:59
No from Anaheim. Remember when the oilers were offered Perry and a 1st for Mike Comrie? But, Lowe demanded Comrie pay back his signing bonus and that killed it.

13 Jun 2018 19:52:43
Hahaha, great players usually get more than 33 points if they're a scorer. 16 rookies had more point so I guess they're all superstars.

13 Jun 2018 20:52:59
Spittin chiclets listener, Pitt? Haha love it.

14 Jun 2018 00:40:45
Yah I agree 33 Point scorers are 3rd liners but I’m not really sure how that’s Relevant considering he scored 50 points this season. On a off year. Put him with McDavid like Lucic he’s good for 35+ Goals.

13 Jun 2018 14:46:04
Ok so I'm curious just how out of touch with reality some of you are here so let's judge on reactions to this.
Ottawa currently has a new issue that pretty much guarentees a Hoffman trade so.

Ottawa : Hoffman, white, the 4th overall, ceci

Buffalo : 1st overall, 3rd rounder

Why does buffalo do this?

Because it's above maximum value for that pick and helps them in every area possible while allowing them to remain in the top 5 picks of the draft on top of that.

Why does ottawa do this?

To get a star back in the Hoffman trade who can make a difference now. Hoffman is a good as gone after recent issues involving his girlfriend so why not maximise his return value by adding a high end prospect in white, a top 4 defenceman in Ceci, and a 4th overall pick and prying the 1st overall out of buffalo?

If you all think there is something wrong with this trade or that ottawa not giving enough here you might want to feel your heads because you may be seriously sick. While dahlin is amazing the top 4 pick will be a top 6 / top 4 guy more likely than not, white will also eventually crack top 6, Ceci already top 4, and hoffman already a top 6 60 point getter. that kind of package can get you pretty much any player you want from any team.

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13 Jun 2018 15:11:06
Why Buffalo doesn’t do it?

There isn’t a player in that package they need more than Dahlin.

13 Jun 2018 15:48:42
Chabot instead of Ceci and they think about it for 2 seconds.

13 Jun 2018 16:13:48
MTRL galgher 1 rnd 2 rnd
OTTW Huffman karlson both teams get what need.

13 Jun 2018 16:29:14
The whole sens franchise isn’t worth Dahlin.

13 Jun 2018 16:55:21
Mcjesus get real dude trade is an over payment as is they wouldn't have to add Chabot.

Other guy with the inappropriate name that I can't mention without having my message blocked or unseen, pretty sure Hoffman is in that deal as well as a shot at zadina or tkechuck, pretty sure buffalo needs scoring, pretty sure a 60 point proven winger/ center like Hoffman and a highly rated draftee like zadina or tkechuck provide that, they need toughness, pretty sure tkechuck alone screams toughness, they need a decent defence partner for ristolainen which ceci provides them with, and after moving kane recently depth is also a need, white gives them extra depth and future trade value as he too is expected to be a high end player down the road.

I wanted to see if my claims were true or not and these reactions to this trade specifically prove to the entire world that the people on this site are nothing more than video game gms who have no concept of reality.

13 Jun 2018 16:59:18
Habs4cup ottawa trying to move Hoffman to get them away from one another. did you not here the recent news concerning their girls?

Even if that wasn't the case that trade you mentioned isn't enough for karlsson alone let alone both lol.

13 Jun 2018 18:40:01
Rambo I feel you over value Hoffman just a little he is a good top 6 WINGER not a center. Ceci is a #3-4 Dman and is no where near what Dahlin can bring to the sabers. also if you argue that sabers need a D to play with Risto then your trade is flawed as him and Ceci both shoot Right and neither play there off side naturally while Dahlin is expected to jump right into the NHL. Also white is a great prospect but sabers don't need center depth as that's there strength. I'm not saying no based on value value wise it's close but NEED wise it's not.

13 Jun 2018 19:43:43
Lol Rambo it doesn’t matter who you give off sens buffalo will NEVER trade dahlin get a clue bud.

13 Jun 2018 22:16:13
Having a clue is not Rambo's strong suit.

14 Jun 2018 02:50:46
I couldn’t put it any better than how CTC55 laid it out.

14 Jun 2018 03:42:08
Scouts have been quoted saying Dahlin is the best defenseman they’ve seen in decades. Comparable to Lidstrom. LIDSTROM. You can’t actually think a package where the highlight is Hoffman would even be considered, can you?

Dahlin is a #1D on any team in the league. Posting trades for him is just a waste of time, it’s not going to happen.

14 Jun 2018 04:20:31
Ctc55 sure Ceci is not dahlin but he is a solid top 4 defenceman. add a top 6 winger/ center in Hoffman a top 4 pick and a high end prospect in white and the value is more than there.

Look up Hoffman's history bro he started out as a center not a winger and can play both.

14 Jun 2018 11:36:37
Rambo. Hoffman has literally never played center at the nhl level. He just flat out is not a center man. Also, Ceci is definitly not a very solid top 4 Defenceman. Sure us Sens fans can say that in hopes to increase his trade value, but he just isnt. He has proven time and again that he just isn't the elite rhd that sens management think he is.

14 Jun 2018 13:54:45
Incoming: durrrrp it’s a conspiracy you guys are undervaluing muh senatours.

14 Jun 2018 14:00:36
Rambo read before you write I never said value wasn't there, it's the fact that Buffalo's needs don't match that what you are offering rn. They are far from a Stanley cup run and this would be a trade to a team that just missed out on the playoffs and won the draft but Buffalo has to many holes to fill to give up a 1st OVA in a trade that fills maybe 1 need of 4 and only fills it for likely 2 years.

14 Jun 2018 22:44:28
And ctc55 Ceci not the only one going to sabers in this deal.

White is expected to be a top 6 center in a few years time.

Hoffman is a top 6 winger who can play center and logs big point totals of 60 plus annually for going on5 years now and isn't slowing down.

And the 4th overall is going to easily be a top 6 guy no matter who it turns out to be assuming the team with the pick don't take a major risk and pick outside the obvious top 4 players available.

Add Ceci who is top 4 defenceman and young and cheap in his own right's and how does that not equal over the value of dahlin?

I get the guy is highly hyped but honestly what's he really done to deserve that hype? In his current league he only put up 20 something points in 40 something games and his plus minus isn't that special, hec boqvist, dobson, and bouchard all have better stat totals, and while he did great at world juniors he didn't stand out as much as you would think he would and never won the gold.

To be honest I could see a small chance he follows Erick Johnson's footsteps of being over hyped and not living up to it. like I said SMALL CHANCE!

15 Jun 2018 03:53:11
Rambo you just aren’t taking anyone’s input though you just think you’re right and nothing else. So let me break it down for you

1) Ceci no matter how high you are on him he is an TFA rn and is a #4 d-man and will always be that he’s not going to blow you away with points but he can log you 20-23 minuets a night guy
2) you keep saying Hoffman is an annual 60 points guy but fact is he’s only done that once in his career and at the NHL level hasn’t played Center.
3) white is an amazing prospect but what the sabres need rn isn’t a young center as they already have there top 3 centers that are still fairly young
4) the 4th OVA is good but who knows how good the player might be
5) Dahlin was playing against men an put up those numbers he was in the SHL not a junior league like all those D you listed to go after him, when Boqvist was put into the SHL he looked out of place and weak compared to all the other players.

So Rambo if you don’t listen to what people are saying then you’ll never be agreed with stop hyping your senators up, fact is no one really knows the value of any player spot on but at the very least look at what the other team needs and work from that but as it stands rn Dahlin is worth more than anything because of the hype will he turn out who knows but as of now nothing can match his value.

15 Jun 2018 11:59:16
Ctc55 I've been following the nhl for quire some time now since I was like 8 years old dude. Hoffman played majority of his rookie and softmore years for ottawa as a center. he split between center and wing I know that for a fact as I was at a few of those early games watching him. And the 60 point thing ok I'll change my wording so you can understand his point per game average has been at a 60 points annually pace if given a full season of games, better? And he put up 56 points this past year playing on several different lines with several different line mates and not having an instant chemistry with Duchene, majority of this year was on 3rd line with pageau and he still did that so do I carry a high value on him? Yes and it's well earned and deserved.

And Ceci is what 24? He's still young and still has room to improve before his prime.

The 4th is a guarentee if used right. Svechnikov, tkechuck, and zadina are all nhl ready and will be huge stars where ever they go. Only 2 can be picked before pick 4 unless dahlin drops which is even better so either way the 4th gives great value to the trade.

Sabers are shopping cruelly dude so white coming in would easily fill that wood at number 2 or 3.

I'm not discounting everyone else I'm actually asking a number of times why certain players and picks specifically ones that belong to sens are always so undervalued compared to players and picks belonging to other teams but of the same level and constantly get no response or a laughable troll post.

15 Jun 2018 13:32:36
Its because No one and I mean NO ONE knows any value and because if you watch a guy more and more you rather fall in love with the guy or hate him I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I just pull out the facts I see I apologize if I came off as rude but I was just stating why I think it will not work and why Buffalo will not do it. And the only reason I think Ottawa would pay that price is the whole Hoffman drama going on if that wasn't happening I doubt Ottawa would do this.

18 Jun 2018 12:38:17
Ok fair enough on your last comment. I believe it would help buffalo adding those 4 as they are all pretty much nhl ready with 2 of 4 already nhl proven too, but i can see your point too as to why it wouldn't make them a contentor right away.

As for whoever made the negative comment on Ceci dude carried a pilon for 3 seasons and made that pilon look better than he is I'd say that's a good number 3 dman.

And hoff68 for a guy with that name you certainly haven't followed the player all that closely. His rookie season saw him center the 4th line and at times the 3rd line. I was at a few of those game and remember them well because I won some good money bets at a couple of them.

13 Jun 2018 13:52:11
Edm: klefbom , 2018 1st and 2nd , benson

Ottawa: Hoffman , ceci

Should be a fair deal right?

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13 Jun 2018 15:49:02
Wtf lol haha no.

13 Jun 2018 16:31:45
Hoffman=Klefbom Ceci=2nd

Take out the 1st and Benson.

13 Jun 2018 19:44:19
Ceci ain’t worth a 2nd.

14 Jun 2018 10:48:54
Klefbom is not worth hoffman get out of here. Oilers add lmaoo. 26 goal scorer for 3-4 straight seasons for a mediocre defenceman prone to injury that can barely crack a 20 point season.

14 Jun 2018 14:28:46
If Beaulieau is worth a 3rd he’s worth a 2nd. The oilers obviously like him they almost traded hall for him.

18 Jun 2018 20:53:56
And again vbbvbb has no idea what he's talking about.

Hoffman >>> Klefbom
Ceci > 2nd

This isn't a bad deal at all it's actually a bit off. I'd change Klefbom to nurse.

13 Jun 2018 11:19:11
Van: Tanev and MDZ (50% retained)

Tor: 2019 1st round pick (lottery protected) liljegren and Ron Hainsey

Van: Edler (50% retained)

Caps: Orpik, 2019 1st round pick, 2020 2nd round pick

Van: Sutter

Flo: Heponiemi, 2018 2nd round pick

All fit under the cap and all help out each teams needs.

Toronto wants a top pairing rhd right now to compete right now and give up nothing from the active roster plus pick up a younger and cheaper player to replace hainsey.

Caps clear out cap space to resign Carlson but at the same time add a better lhd to replace Orpik who is also younger and maybe be able to resign him in 2019 when cap is higher, but the thing is they are now able to resign Carlson and their remaining rfas

Florida adds a need in center and get a guy that can bring great leadership and some experience while giving away a decent B prospect and a second round pick this year, Florida adds more depth and this could help get them that very little push to get in the playoffs.

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13 Jun 2018 14:32:46
Bro right now Heponiemi is prolly better than Sutter lmao. no way overpaid sutter gets a highly touted prospect and a second! you ain't getting either for sutter lol.

13 Jun 2018 16:34:01
Sutter for Lucic is closer and Leafs would have zero interest in MDZ not giving the 2019 1st and Lilijgren for Tanev.

13 Jun 2018 06:42:38
Bergevin already says he want a team hard to play agaisnt. So If Carolina chose Svechnikov with their 1 pick

MTL Pacioretty + shaw or 2 late second rd
Cal Matthew Tkachuk

Then Draft Brady and leave him in NCAA until he want.

Then trade Galchenyuk 1 on 1 vs Hanifin

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13 Jun 2018 07:00:21
no way from calgary!

13 Jun 2018 09:54:15
Big no from calgary and carolina by far

13 Jun 2018 15:55:47
Very easy no from Calgary, but I can’t believe you say ‘shaw’ or ‘2 seconds’ like they’re equal value in the trade lol habs traded 2 seconds for shaw and since then he had his lowest goal and point totals of his career and makes twice as much as he did when he was playing for the hawks and owed 16 mill on the next 4 years lol how do you think he’s still worth what you traded for him?!

13 Jun 2018 15:57:00
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised tho when you think you can get hanifin straight up for galchenyuk.

13 Jun 2018 16:35:49
Don’t see the big deal around Hanfin I think Chuck would have similar value with Montreal adding.

13 Jun 2018 06:26:21
OTT:
- Mike Hoffman
- Zack Smith
- 2019 2nd

CGY:
- Dougie Hamilton

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OTT:
- Erik Karlsson

VGK:
- Cody Glass
- Colin Miller
- 2019 1st
- 2019 2nd

_____________________________________________________

OTT:
- Cody Ceci

DET:
- Andreas Athansiou

_____________________________________________________

Zadina - Duchene - White
Athanasiou - Brown - Stone
Dzingel - Pageau - Ryan
Pajaarvi - Chlapik - Burrows

Chabot - Hamilton
Boroweicki - Miller
Wolanin - Wideman

Anderson
Condon
_____________________________________________________

Blow up the team. However, I still think this team could be decent . Really, all of this revolves around Drafting Zadina at 4. If he isn't available , that changes things...

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13 Jun 2018 07:01:25
i personally wouldn't trade ceci.

13 Jun 2018 09:55:28
Great now hoffman's fiancee can beef with gio's wife

13 Jun 2018 13:03:29
@Hoff, is Zadina going to mediate the wives and get them to stop putting restraining orders on each other? And stop the assistant GM from molesting young men while he’s supposed to be interviewing prospects at the draft combine?! Because if not, I don’t see how this teams compatibility relies on him lol Karlsson is 99% gone. And if he stays for some reason, Hoffman is 100% gone.

13 Jun 2018 13:25:25
I see what you mean, Zadina is why this would happen, misunderstood that part. But regardless of who is available at 4, Sens are losing one or both of their best players this summer. And one of them at a discounted price because of his wife’s stupidity.

13 Jun 2018 16:46:42
Yeah i meant for the line-up. Our franchise is god awful regardless of who we draft.

13 Jun 2018 16:50:02
Because, I agree that Hoffman is 100% gone. But if we don't get Zadina, then we have two massive holes in the top 6 on the left side. Maybe Dzingel could do okay in the top 6 but man. its a rough time to be a Sens fan. Thatsforsure.

13 Jun 2018 21:23:20
I feel like Stone for Hamilton would be closer. Keep Hoffman and fill other positions with Karlsson because he probably doesn’t want to stay in Ottawa at this point.

13 Jun 2018 21:36:40
Nah. Stone's not going anywhere .

14 Jun 2018 05:53:09
Big hell no from CGY. Not enough value for a top offensive Dman. Start with Hoffman (pre-scandal- more like Stone now) a 1st and top prospect.

14 Jun 2018 22:51:15
The karlsson trade here is an awesome troll dude lol 2 guys who would never crack sens top 12 and a couple late picks rofl I got a good laugh thank you.

13 Jun 2018 05:16:55
Apparently Karlsson and Hoffman had a confrontation in a parking lot and Karlsson wants out. i'd say trade Hoffman instead.

To OTT
• 1st Round Selection in 2018
To ARI
•Mike Hoffman

Let him play for Arizona lol you don't ever disrespect your captain like that.

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13 Jun 2018 05:33:01
i don't think hoffman would go for a 1st round that high? is arizona not in the top 10?

13 Jun 2018 05:58:20
Hoffman might be worth the 5th overall if the sens add a small peice like Karlsson, Stone or the 4th overall.

13 Jun 2018 07:03:37
vbbbvvbb why would you add karlsson in a hoffman trade if they have these issues allegedly? also no. 4th>5th overall so no they would get a higher return if you add any of these pieces you mentioned.

13 Jun 2018 11:07:41
Yah no you’re right I wasn’t being sarcastic at all because the 5th overall>4th overall. Just trying to get a sens fan to bite but I guess a Chicago fan did?

13 Jun 2018 16:05:48
Hoffman is not worth the 5th overall so not a chance unless you another solid piece like Chabot or white.

 


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