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07 Oct 2018 16:05:41
After watching the leafs defense it been a disaster.
I don't think we really need Nylander aa much as we need defense
2 trade option

Toronto trades
Nylander and 2nd in 2019
St.Louis trades
Parayko

Or a bigger deal

Toronto trades
Nylander, Gardiner and 2nd in 2019

Carolina trades
Pesce and Hayden Fleury

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07 Oct 2018 16:30:35
Under no circumstances to I see Carolina taking Gardiner. They already have close to $30M invested in an overstuffed defense unit. Pesce is cheap at $4M and Fleury will be re-signing cheap as well. Together they will be earning less than what Gardiner alone will be demanding.

Like both Pesce and Fleury. Love the size of all these guys suggested. May have to add to the Blues trade. The Carolina trade is a no flyer in my opinion.

07 Oct 2018 21:23:45
Ha, a 52 pint defender and an elite 22 year old for Pesce and a 23 year old defenceman who hasn’t licked NHL ice, good luck with that.

07 Oct 2018 23:10:14
@mostleaf

Gardiner gets 52 points only because of the forwards in front of him. He just gets to be the guy who feeds them the luck and manages to get that second assist when they make a great play and score. You know as well as anyone that Gardiner is prone to defensive gaffes, can’t hit, can’t take a hit, can’t fight, can’t clear the net, can’t score, and worst of all, can't play defense, which is what his job title suggests he should be doing.

Nylander is another topic altogether.

Both Gardiner and Nylander are expensive. Salary absolutely must be taken into consideration. If we can dump either of these two guys and bring in Pesce as 1RHD on a team friendly contract, and Fleury for 3LHD, then is not so far off as you might think.

06 Oct 2018 21:52:13
Vancouver trades: Tanev, Grandlund, Lind, 3rd round pick 2019

Toronto trades: Nylander, Hainsey

Dahlen Petterson Nylander
Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Goldobin Gaudette virtanen

Would be a sweet future for the nucks..
If this isn't enough for Nylander then what would be

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07 Oct 2018 14:25:59
Value wise is should be anough, but it just looks like what leafs fans are always accused of, quantity over quality. Tanev makes a ton of sense. Besides that, I just wouldn’t be overly interested in the rest. We have plenty of forwards better than granlund and no spot for him at Center. Also him and tanev make $6mill combined. The only piece we would want there is Tanev who is much older than Nylander and only under team control till end of next season. Keep the other 3 pieces, and make it just Tanev and a real good prospect or a good pick. Also leafs traded carrick just to have open contract space in the organization. Don’t think this is the type of 3-for1 they want to fill those with.

07 Oct 2018 14:58:17
We don’t want Tanev. He spends an inordinate amount of time in recovery. Would rather have someone who spends more time on the ice than in hospital.

Lind is a potential sleeper prize, but his value isn’t very high right now, and the rest of the guys we don’t want or need.

Leafs pass.

06 Oct 2018 16:59:42
Calgary Trades
ELindholm
Bennett

Toronto Trades
WNylander
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

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06 Oct 2018 17:13:59
They just traded for Lindholm and locked him up I think.

06 Oct 2018 17:21:43
I do that if I were the Flames. but I wouldn't of I were Leafs .

If i wasnt for Mathews and Marner, Nylander would be considered one of the top offensive stars of the game.
I have always liked his game, and think he could be a perennial top 10 point getter in league for years to come, really wish my team had the ability to get him .
I don't think Lindholm is anything special, and Bennett is going way of a bust for the draft position he was selected .

06 Oct 2018 18:19:37
Nylander is one of the top offensive stars of the game? Is this really you Willie?

We have at least three players on the Leafs alone better than Nylander, and Kadri is also probably a better all-round player.

06 Oct 2018 18:56:46
I’m surprised to hear that from you Sosa. Is there talks of Nylander going to Montreal that I haven’t heard of?

06 Oct 2018 19:35:00
No Leafs 17there are no talks of him going to Montreal. I wish. no way Habs/ Leafs make that deal, we don't have assets for him anyway . I have always like Nylander, and yes Leafs GM, I think he could be like Panarin. isn't he one of the top offensive guys in the game.?

06 Oct 2018 19:42:53
And I guess LeafsGM , I mean if there was no Mathews or Marner, all we would hear about is how good Nylander is., bases on the market he plays in, he is overshadowed by the other 2 ., put him on Carolina for example. he's offense runs through him, I'd say same for my team. and there are s few others like NYR ect .

06 Oct 2018 19:47:34
Lol this is brutal for leafs.

06 Oct 2018 21:01:11
Variation on this, Nylanderand something else, not sure if its pick, prospect ot roster player for Lindholm and Rasmus Andersson?

07 Oct 2018 00:43:56
@sosa

Nylander was 70th in points last year and 112th in goals. He’s a very good player, yes. But not one of the top offensive stars. He may still develop into a true star in his own right, but from what I’ve seen, he is a beneficiary of playing with Matthews, not the other way around.

I’m also pretty pissed at him right now for screwing us around, so I have an extreme negative bias for the greedy selfish little baby. I hope Leafs trade him to the worst team in the west so he never so much as smells the Stanley Cup. Winning should mean everything to this young man, and apparently it means nothing.

07 Oct 2018 04:04:55
I was thinking about Nylander being a beneficiary of playing with Matthews the other day and realized that in the last 2 years Nylander scored 42 goals, Connor Brown scored 34 goals. Now, where the separation is, is that Connor brown had 30 assist as where Nylander had 80. Now consider that Matthews had 74 goals. While Connor brown played with a revolving door of players including Komarov, Dominic Moore, Freddy Gauthier, matt Martin and Tomas Plekanec. How many opportunities for assists did he really have?

Now I 100% believe that Nylander made plays on Some of those goals that Matthews scored that Connor Brown just isn’t capable of making. I’m also aware that Nylander didn’t play his entire time with Matthews. But when you see the numbers like that, I wonder how Brown would have benefited from being on that wing, then you consider he signed 3 years at $2.25 mill, you can really question Nylanders $8mill+ demands.

I’m not suggesting Nylanders not a good player, also not suggesting brown would put up the same numbers in that spot. Also not saying brown is worth $6mill+ or Nylander only worth $2.5mill. But Matthews doesn’t seem to be any less effective with Tyler Ennis on that wing either.

07 Oct 2018 05:30:16
@unbiasedjim

When you put it like that, it really does make for a real eye-opener. Brown is also a more effective defensive player, an area that Nylander sorely lacks skill in.

Nylander holding out gives guys like Leivo, Brown, Ennis a real opportunity here to showcase what they can do. Should make the decision to trade him or sign him much easier one way or the other.

At this point, I fail to see how we can’t trade him. First opportunity he had to screw the team that drafted him, he did. No loyalty or respect for the organization at all.

07 Oct 2018 07:56:30
Ok. if Leafs want to trade him. send him to Habs.

07 Oct 2018 14:34:44
I’m not saying he has to go though. The team is better with him than without him for sure. But Matthews had a great preseason (not surprising when half the guy you’re playing against will never actually be in the NHL) . But has come out of the gate looking stronger and faster than last year, 3 goals in 2 games.

I just feel like Nylander was expecting him to struggle a bit without him and it would pass some leverage to the player from the team and that’s not how it’s been. It’s possible that changes, however all this has done by Willy sitting out is expose to the world how sweet of a gig he really had being on that line. Ennis is loving it at $650k lol. I still feel Nylander is the best fit long term on his wing and hope he’s here, but if this process brings his demands down to reality, I’m okay with Dubas playing hard ball and riding it out.

07 Oct 2018 17:18:25
I'm pretty sure nylander and his agent are just worried about getting the best possible contract They can at this point. I don't think nylander is or was hoping matthews would struggle. I know the media is trying to paint him as a monster by comparing him with his father but really he's only doing what most players who feel they are worth more then they are being offered does. Like always though nobody knows what's really going on except those involved. maybe the leafs are only offering a bridge deal and he wants long term. Maybe they are not as far off on actual salary as the media are saying.

07 Oct 2018 18:05:41
Not saying he wishes bad for Matthews personally. They’re friends. But even Jeff O’Neil and Carlo Coliacovo who both have experience with contract demands and teammates sitting out said it’s a thin line for those guys. They want to see the team succeed because they want to still sign there and have it be a good team, but they have a hard time cheering for everything to go right when you’re on the sidelines, much like a healthy scratch. That’s coming from ex NHL players, not me. Believe what you want.

07 Oct 2018 20:06:05
I could argue you on this I but I won't bother. Lol.

07 Oct 2018 20:57:58
That’s good. Because again, I wasn’t talking about you or to you but you had to try to discredit of course. And you’re going to assume you know how NHL players feel and think better than 2 guys with almost 25 NHL seasons combined. Because all they did was live that life for more than a decade each while you watch on tv sometimes. Of course you have valid points you aren’t going to use to tell us how they don’t know what they’re talking about.

08 Oct 2018 00:26:34
I think it's pretty easy to see you were replying to me but anyway who cares. I will tell you one thing if you take everything these so called experts tell you as gospel then you will still be wrong at least 90% of time lol. Plus I just made what I felt was a harmless comment about your post more or less saying I don't really want to argue with you today but again you just had to try and get things going again. I know I'm childish and biased some times I can admit it. Can you? Or are you still perfect in ever way?

08 Oct 2018 05:41:26
I was communicating with LeafsGM and Sosa actually and then you have to chime in complete opposite of what I say regardless of right or wrong lol and believeing people that actually played the game and lived the life will make you wrong 90% of the time? Lol. And it’s not being naive. It’s common sense. As a player like Josh Leivo who was scratched 60+ times last year, you want your team to do well, but also subconsciously would want something to go wrong, whether it be an injury or a player having a bad stretch of games. Something that could get you back in the lineup. It’s human nature, doesn’t mean he wishes personal harm on someone. And similar to a holdout player with very little leverage, they hope something, anything, sways some leverage their way. If that’s a player they normally play with struggling a bit, so be it.

08 Oct 2018 15:09:16
Nah I feel he just wants to get paid whether it be in toronto or not. So maybe he's hoping they do really good so he can be traded somewhere else. Or maybe like I said he thinks he worth a certain amount and he's sitting out until he at least gets close to what he wants. Money talks man and it makes a lot more sense then jeff o neil.

08 Oct 2018 16:13:07
😂 lol.

06 Oct 2018 05:49:45
Leafs trade Kadri, Gardiner
Dallas trades Faksa, Johns, Douglas

Leafs trade Nylander
Arizona trades Perlini, Fischer, Bahl

Marleau/ Matthews/ Fischer
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Perlini/ Faksa/ Brown
Johnsson/ Lindholm/ Kapanen
*Ennis, Jooris, Leivo

Rielly/ Johns
Dermott/ Zaitsev
Hainsey/ Ozhiganov
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Bahl/ Rasanen)

This is mainly about adding size and improving overall team defense, while still keeping us an offensive powerhouse.

I wanted to dump Nylander on the worst team in the west I could. Arizona is perennial losers. No chance Nylander ever wins a cup there. Perlini and Fischer are already doing quite well in the NHL and should perform admirably on the Leafs. Bahl is a monster, and if both him and Rasanen make the team we got the biggest 3rd line defense in the league.

Kadri and Gardiner give Dallas more offence, while Faksa and Johns give us a better defense (which we actually do need) . Faksa is a Selke candidate. We really need a guy like that on the team. Johns is perfect replacement for Hainsey until Liljegren is ready. Douglas is the size of Godzilla.

As far as the money goes, we definitely end up saving a few bucks (I didn’t work out how much exactly) . Easily leaves us cap room to re-sign Matthews, Marner and still leave some money leftover.

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06 Oct 2018 06:35:21
We could throw Arizona a second or third round pick for Bahl too I guess if it doesn’t seem like Nylander alone is worth the three incoming players.

06 Oct 2018 12:27:07
Absolutely horrendous for the leafs their is absolutely no reason to trade Kadri. Why fix something that isn’t Broken.

I personally wouldn’t trade Gardiner staight up for that Dallas offer Faska is a 4th line C and Johns is a 5th Dman on a good defense like Nashville, Vegas, Winnipeg, Carolina, Calargry, ETC.

Terrible deals.

May as well trade Marner, Mathews and Tavares for picks because there is no way Toronto makes it to the playoffs without Kadri, Gardiner and Nylander while being replaced with AHL esq players.

06 Oct 2018 14:24:56
@vb

I just checked your profile and the last trade proposal you made was on September 13. You offered Nylander for Johns plus a 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

Without doubt this has to be one of the dumbest criticisms I’ve ever seen. Coming from you, I’m not surprised. You really need to give your head a shake. I would be embarrassed to say something so stupid after having posted a far worse proposal just three weeks ago. Like what’s the matter with you man? If you want to argue the merits of a trade is fine. But you seem intent on hurling insults for no apparent reason other than to initiate conflict. Extremely childish and makes you look foolish as well. I’m starting to suspect that you don’t even know anything about hockey. Do you even know what the Selke trophy is awarded for? You realize Kadri is 3C right? Not exactly a player who is going to carry the team. Gardiner is gone end of the year. You do know he is IFA and won’t be coming back right? So we had better learn to win without him.

Your post is nonsense and you are a fool. Grow up.

06 Oct 2018 15:08:41
Well I mean the 1st has more value then Faska and Johns combined. Faska dosent have the offensive out put to be a 3rd C and what does johns bring? He’s a plug you put him in he does his job nothing less and nothing more. How is Kadri being a 3rd C have any relevance? Tavares was the 3rd C at the World Cup does that make him bad player? Toronto has the unique ability to role 3 “nearly” equal lines why change that? Kadri playing 3rd line dosent change the fact that he’s the leafs best shut down C and Plays against the toughest matchup while still potting 30 + goals and running the 2nd PP.

06 Oct 2018 15:25:10
I offered up our 3C and a pending UFA for Faksa and Johns. You offered up our 1LW for Johns and a couple picks. To suggest that a pick has more value than two NHL players, one of whom is a Selke candidate is ridiculous.

Tavares as 3C in World Cup team playing behind the two best centres in the world is irrelevant. It just tells us what we already know - Canada has the best hockey talent in the world on international stage. It is a meaningless comparison when trying to translate to NHL where the teams are not stacked with the greatest players a country can produce.

You’re a joke and making yourself sound worse with every response. I actually feel embarrassed for you right now because you are trying to cover your ass with explanations and only making it sound worse.

06 Oct 2018 15:43:38
I don’t know a lot about the Dallas players but Kadri’s value is a lot when you factor in his contract, point production and physicality. There is no way the leafs should move him. I used to not be a fan of Kadri because he always crossed the line and hurt the team. For the most part, he now plays on the edge of that line and every team would love to have him. Even your team habby, lol. I’d trade Nylander before Kadri in a heartbeat.

06 Oct 2018 16:25:12
Rather keep Naz. One of the better all round centres that Toronto has had. Sure his advanced stats may not be Bergeron level, but he provides physicality, grit, heart, scoring, defensive starts/ matchup and passion to this team.

I get you want to trade Naz for maximum value before his contract ends. But at the end of the day, if something is working, and the team looks good, theyd never trade him. HE BRings too many things that this team lacks, and he gives us a better chance at winning in the next three years than Faksa, or Johns do if they were here for 6.

06 Oct 2018 16:44:59
Okay You’re right Canada is amazing and Playing behind Mathews and Tavares is an embarrassment and automatically means you’re terrible. Compareing Canada’s Center depth to Toronto’s is very comparable “When scaled to the equivalencies of talent in Interrnational play compared to NHL. “ also I’d much rather have a question mark then two proven players who are nearly useless. Faska being a selke candidate is a joke he’ll never have defensive play compared to player like Bergeron and Kopitar . Get your facts straight before you respond.

06 Oct 2018 16:47:04
@Leafs17

I didn’t like Kadri because before BAbs and along, Kadri was a diver and cheap shot. He’s cleaned his game up a lot, and maybe I still have negative feelings towards him for previous transgressions.

@topshelfslappers

Well said. You make some very good points here. As always, you bring another point of view to the table that maybe was overlooked in my proposal. It’s always good to have constructive criticism from someone who knows what they are talking about.

06 Oct 2018 17:04:10
@vb

Once again, you sound foolish. Do you even do any research before commenting.

At 24 years of age, Faksa came 7th in Selke voting. At 24 years of age, Bergeron came 5th, and at 24 years of age Kopitar came 9th.

Once again, you have embarrassed yourself here.

06 Oct 2018 17:20:05
I felt the same way LeafsGM. I thought the leafs should’ve trade him after he was PPG in the shortened season. I’m glad they didn’t. When he’s playing on the edge, not crossing the line, he’s very valuable.

06 Oct 2018 19:49:22
Whenever vb has to say get your facts straight he knows he’s lost lol.

06 Oct 2018 22:46:56
You’re right LeafsGM Faska is a god how about a Mathews-Faska swap? Future selke winner just because he was voted 7th.

07 Oct 2018 14:39:15
Vbb, how many games have you watched? when does Kadri run the second PP? Because last season one PP everything went through Matthews and Nylander and the other unit everything went through Marner and usually ended up at JVR. This year Kadri doesn’t run the 2nd PP either as you suggest. He’s actually in the high slot on the first one. And I like Naz, but if you think he’s on the ice with Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Rielly and he’s the one calling the shots or controlling the play, you’re more off the rails than I thought.

05 Oct 2018 18:41:20
All right I will jump on the trade Nylander bandwagon.

Minnesota: Dumba
Toronto: Nylander

I think a 1 for 1 trade would work out and it fits the needs of both teams. I do admit I see Toronto play more than Minnesota. Can you let me know if this is fair or do I rate Nylander too high?

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05 Oct 2018 19:17:27
It comes down to simply Minnesota just not making this trade. They aren’t going to trade Dumba. As for the value 🤷🏼‍♂️ I think it’s close but with Nylanders demands and dumba locked up long term I’d say Toronto would need to add.

05 Oct 2018 22:31:44
the issue is Dumba is cost controlled for many of his prime years and that makes his value even higher.

05 Oct 2018 22:35:05
I think mcjesus is dead on. Value wise they’re close, Willy May even have a tiny bit more, hard to say. But when contract is weighed in, it’s a big no from minny.

06 Oct 2018 00:39:25
McJesus took the words right out of my mouth.

Minnesota is pretty tight against cap and with Suter and Parise’s contracts, will be for a very long time. They need to pinch every penny they can. Last thing they need is to overpay for Nylander on a long term contract.

Everyone loves Dumba. How couldn’t they? He’d look amazing in blue and white. If you’re reading this right now Dumba, then just know that there’s is another place for you if you ever get unhappy in Minnesota, you can always come back to Canada.

06 Oct 2018 00:43:42
Well. this isn't bad . I think it all depends on what Nylander would sign for. Dumba is signed already, and looks like a good deal fo both player and team.
I think I read that Nylander wants 8 million? Did I read that right? he's more like 6.5.

06 Oct 2018 00:22:10
Ya minnasnowta wouldn’t do it it’s really close though!

06 Oct 2018 02:55:11
What if they sing him for a 4 year x 4.5 mill. He would still have a year of team control before UFA. Minnesota would Have a cap savings of 1.5 mill. (Dumba 5years x 6 milll) . Or at that price does Toronto keep him?

06 Oct 2018 05:32:37
Not a chance Minnesota would consider it. Leafs would need to add.

06 Oct 2018 06:41:50
Nylander is asking for $8/ 8.5M long term. And you're suggesting he would sign for $4.5M for 4 years? That's laughable. I understand the idea of then still
Being able to cash in on a long term contract then still, but man, That's just funny. Why wouldn't he just do that in Toronto where he apperently loves then?

06 Oct 2018 18:14:28
Of course Toronto keeps him at $4.5 mill lol if he was willing to play 4 more years at $4.5 mill they would have signed it LAST July 1st.

06 Oct 2018 19:05:28
I thought of 4.5 over 4 years because that is where Kadri is at. I also think Kadri is a better player right now than Nylander is. I don’t think any GM thinks Nylander is worth 8 mill or they would offer sheet him. I wonder if this will turn into a Mike Peca situation.

06 Oct 2018 23:25:07
Kadri May be a better fit layer than Nylander but probably not ceiling. However that Kadri deal is 2 years old and he has outperformed it each season. It’s not true value.

05 Oct 2018 06:55:32
Canucks boeser guddy

Tor nylander hainsey lijgren 2 rd pick

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05 Oct 2018 13:00:30
You’re a Canucks fan? You know the reports are Nylander hasn’t changed his demand for 8x8.5mill? You would give Boeser for Nylander at $8+mill?!

05 Oct 2018 16:36:03
Not a chance Leafs exchange Liljegren for Gudbranson. Our RHD is already glaring weak spot.

Bad trade for both teams.

05 Oct 2018 17:16:11
Boeser will get PAID in guessing long term 9.5mil.

05 Oct 2018 17:48:20
li here he want 7 and tor at 6.

05 Oct 2018 18:03:38
Boeser >> Nylander. It's not even close.

And I've heard Nylander wants $8-8.5M. Toronto is at $6.5M Max.

05 Oct 2018 19:04:59
Leafs can't afford to sign him at 6.5 really, they are going to have huge cap issues next season.

05 Oct 2018 21:55:13
OMG no... are you crazy?! They don't even need a guy like boeser... they need a guy like tanev + ?

05 Oct 2018 23:29:46
Without starting a big thing here, Habby, how can the leafs not afford to pay Nylander $6.5 mill? They have $21 mill cap space currently and that goes to over $30 mill next season. Nylander currently makes $1mill. So $5.5 mill is the difference needed. Just Hainsey, Ennis and Marincin, all of which will not be back and don’t need to be replaced from outside make up about $4 mill of that alone. Without considering any rise in the cap.

That still leaves $25 mill for marner and Matthews and a cpl of the bottom 6 guys (Leivo, Johnsson etc) . Rielly, zaitsev, Kadri, Andersen, hyman and brown would all be locked up still. And Marleaus $6.25 mill comes off the next year. You’re looking for a problem that isn’t there yet. Until Kadri, Rielly and Andersen need new deals In 3-4 years, there is no problem. Gardiner leaving and letting dermott into the top 4 is the only sacrifice needed which is fine by me. Gardiner will get $6.5mill offers somewhere and I say let him take it.

06 Oct 2018 00:41:13
Like Tanev? Sounds like someone has gotten an early start ahead of Oct. 17th.

06 Oct 2018 01:15:02
We'll jim according to cap friendly the leafs have 11 players signed for next year who are costing 49 mil. that leaves about 30 mil to sign 12 more players. Considering matthews and marner will probably cost about 21mil and let's just say nylander costs 7 that would leave about 2 mil I assume hortons 5 mil is counted into this but that only comes off once the season starts. So let's just say they have 8 mil left to sign 9 players. Better hope Kapenen and Johnson don't want big contracts.

06 Oct 2018 01:21:56
The next year they probably have 62 mil invested in 9 players. its going to be real tough to get 14 guys under contract for less the 20 mil. Not impossible I guess but tough.

06 Oct 2018 06:56:08
@Habby

$21M for Matthews and Marner seems like a bit much. How are you breaking it down?

I see Matthews = $11M
Marner = $7M
Total = $18M

I don’t think Leafs go above $20M on these two guys.

06 Oct 2018 12:30:48
You’re on a new level if you think Marner signs for anything short of 8.5.

06 Oct 2018 12:48:00
Matthews 12 mil marner 9 mil if not even more. especially if they have good years.

06 Oct 2018 15:10:16
I think Mathews will sign the same as Tavares on a 6 year deal.

06 Oct 2018 15:47:38
Matthews definitely will be the same or slightly more than Tavares and Marner will depend on this seasons performance in a big way. I say between $8-9. The leafs should not even be considering signing Gardiner and I think they’ll be ok.

06 Oct 2018 15:49:19
It’s going to be tight for sure but it’s funny how some people like to put a negative spin on the problem of the leafs having too much talent up front.

06 Oct 2018 18:23:36
Leafs17, It’s just an attack because of WHO it is, not WHAT it is. Jets only have 12 players signed for next year as well and their free agents include Laine, Trouba, Connor and Myers. But they have a great team, a good shot to win and will sort it out same as us. Other fan bases, like habs, feel the need to tear down and point out negativity on the leafs because they’re sick of hearing all the positive in the media. If jets got the positive hype of Toronto (which they deserve) oilers/ flames fans would do the same thing to them.

06 Oct 2018 20:05:33
That's not right jim it's been only 2 years of positive coming out of leaf land. Nobody is really sick of it yet.

07 Oct 2018 04:13:03
Ppl whine all the time about the coverage they get. On Twitter, on this site, just in general.

05 Oct 2018 01:51:13
Julius Honka (RD - 863K x 1 Year) + Gemel Smith (C - 730K x 1 Year) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Kasperi Kapanen (RW - 863K x 1 Year) + Martin Marincin (LD - 800K x 1 Year) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Selection.

Honka is being benched in favour of Carrick and Polak, and didn’t play extremely well in his first full season as a Star. Instead of wasting him in the press box, he can be traded to a team with a surplus of young forwards. Kappy and Honka were drafted in similar spots and their values seem to be similar. Smith for Marincin and the 3rd seems like an overpay, but the 3rd also makes up for position difference (wing vs. right defence) .

Healthy Dallas Lineup:
Benn - Seguin - Radulov
Janmark - Spezza - Nichuskin
Shore - Faksa - Kapanen
Dickinson - Hanzal - Pitlick/ Comeau
*Comeau/ Ritchie

Lindell - Klingberg
Methot - Heiskanen
Polak - Carrick
*Marincin

Healthy Toronto Lineup:
Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Leivo - Kadri - Ennis
Johnsson - Lindholm - Brown
*Smith

Rielly - Ozhiganov
Gardiner - Honka
Dermott - Zaitsev
*Hainsey, Holl.

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05 Oct 2018 06:36:48
Honka has a lot of real promise when he was drafted. He seems to have fallen out of favor and isn’t getting the opportunity in Dallas. He’s not exactly a stud prospect, but may still turn out to be a useful player. Or he may just end up being an AHL lifer. If Dallas is playing Carrick ahead of Honka, that sends warning signals off. Because we basically just gave Carrick away to Dallas. And now you want to offer them Kapanen for the player Carrick was brought in to replace?

It’s a real gamble. I think Leafs should pass until we see exactly what we got in Kapanen and if Honka gets to show what he can do at NHL level.

05 Oct 2018 10:54:30
Topshelf I usually think your proposals are fair but LeafsGM makes some solid points. If Kapanen were to get traded, I think he could be packaged for a more proven defenseman. I really don’t know anything about Honka but if Carrick is ahead of him on the depth chart, enough said. Is Gemel Smith any good?

05 Oct 2018 12:37:06
Yeah, i see what both of you guys are saying, i just took in that if Carrick is replacing Honka that is troubling. I was jusy thinking that maybe he could realize his potential as a late bloomer, but it makes sense if he's stuck behind Polak/ Carrick its going to be hard to crack a lineup.

As for Gemel Smith @Leafs17, he's a tougher guy for the bottom six. He could easily plug in as a spare or play the games against the meaner teams such as Boston or the Islanders. He had 11 points last year in half a season which isn’t awful, and he's young enough to contribute. Better than Gauthier imo.

05 Oct 2018 17:34:31
I actually have gemel smiths ‘home’ and ‘away’ laundry bags and his nutrition/ stretches/ exercise and team rules binder from the Dallas stars that he got at his first pro camp. It’s funny because it’s from like 5-6 years ago and it’s probably changed again so much since then between sports science and with all the social media worries etc with these kids.

04 Oct 2018 21:25:30
Mtl: Scherbak
Tor: Kapanen

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04 Oct 2018 21:53:46
I don’t know a ton about scherbaks game, but I love kapanens speed and his ability to fit in up and down the lineup and penalty kill. I would rather keep him.

04 Oct 2018 23:14:44
Look so like a real lateral move here. I’ve never seen him play, but Scherbaks scouting report is pretty good. I think Leafs LW is weak compared to RW, and after marleau leaves, we will have a real gap there needing to be filled. It’s a trade worth considering for sure.

Still a little too early to pull the trigger on this one. But by season end we should have a much better idea of what both these guys can do. If Scherbak looks good, I would say go for it.

05 Oct 2018 06:34:51
I dunno . It's a toss up. I think Scherbac has higher ceiling, however Kappanen is atm. a better player. and. may remain that way. its a high risk, high reward thing . both have a ton of talent just haven't displayed it yet. except on the odd WOW play. Sherbac has had a couple for Habs.

05 Oct 2018 13:07:42
@sosa, i agree. I just don’t know really what type of player scherbak is. If he's more of an offensive flare guy (which I thought he was) then I’d much rather keep kapanen purely for team need. Scoring won’t be our problem and kapanen has speed to burn and is an extremely intelligent player defensively.

05 Oct 2018 14:16:56
Jim. then ya, keep Kappanen. he has the better overall game forsure., and I beleive will continue to be that way for his career. I see Scherbac as a scoring winger, not the best defensively.

05 Oct 2018 15:56:48
Yeah. So unless Nylander goes for a Dman and then get scherbak tontske his spot with Matthews?! Then it could be worth it. But as it sits we need balance more than skill.

06 Oct 2018 00:45:01
I don't think Scherbac is quite st the level to play with Mathews.

06 Oct 2018 01:40:58
Sosa I'm expecting any day now for scherbak to be traded. Can't see him going to the leafs though. doesn't seem like he's going to get much of a chance to crack the habs lineup this year unless the injury bug hits and I think he has to clear waivers in order to be sent down. Might as we'll trade him then to lose him for nothing.

06 Oct 2018 02:16:39
Well hyman did for the last 2 seasons and put up 40 pts last year. Now I love zach hyman and what he does on the ice, but high end skill, I’m sure scherbak could keep that pace lol not saying he’s goong to be as good as Nylander, but that’s the only reason we would need to add a skilled winger.

06 Oct 2018 05:02:11
Ya. Your probably right Habby. . And well, I guess he's jus not what I hoped he'd be. if he can't crack the present Habs lineup., well. I dunno what to say about that.

Is it time to get rid of Trevor Timmins .?

06 Oct 2018 05:24:17
Nah Timmons is pretty good he hasn't really had the benefit of constantly drafting high like some teams. I think for the position he has drafted on average has been decent. Plus I know for a fact on times he has been overruled by the gm gainey wanted Leblanc while Timmons wanted kreider just as one example. I feel like they did a great job with their picks this year good enough that his job should be safe for awhile.

04 Oct 2018 17:44:12
Zach Weirinski and a 2nd round pick
For William Nylander.

Thoughts?

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04 Oct 2018 18:31:20
I could get behind that deal. Don’t think many outside leaf nation will appreciate it lol.

04 Oct 2018 19:19:40
Lmao Leafs would be the ones adding heartly, not CBJ.

04 Oct 2018 19:20:44
Even if CLB wanted to trade Werenski then the pick would be added to Nylander not Werenski. But I didn't believe CLB should or are thinking about reading Werenski.
Jones and Werenski should be untouchable.

04 Oct 2018 21:10:17
Like Johanssen and Jones. One for one! Nylander for Werenski!

04 Oct 2018 21:23:33
i agree wereniskis (probably spelt wrong) is worth more than nyolander.

04 Oct 2018 21:32:25
@Ricky, pretty similar except CBJ knows they came out way on top for that one and don’t want to be on the wrong end of one now.

04 Oct 2018 23:17:50
Werenski would make Reilly expendable. We could trade Reilly in two years before his NTC kicks in. Depending on what Werenski signs for, would be a real cost saving manoeuvre.

05 Oct 2018 05:26:11
Rielly makes $5mill. If werenski stays on pace for how good he should be, definitely not a cost saving move.

05 Oct 2018 06:40:06
@unbiasedjim.

In four years Reilly will be making close to $8M+ (I’m using OEL’s contract as comparable. And they are very comparable players) . Werenski is to going to get $8M. At least I have a very hard time seeing that being offered up his first contract. You would also be dumping Nylander’s salary here as well. I think if you look at it that way, it actually is a big cost saving manoeuvre.

05 Oct 2018 06:40:39
Leafs already have Reilly and Gardiner for puckmovers. you guys need an all around guy. Think Tanev. or Muzzin., or the guy in Pheonix. who won with Hawks. Kjamalson, or something like that?
That's kinda Dman ya need. And if ya trade Nylander for that kinda guy. Ya should be able to get a 2nd rounder as well.

05 Oct 2018 06:58:56
Werenski *won’t* be getting $8M. Typo there changes the whole sentence.

The way I see it is in 3-4 years: Nylander ($7M) + Reilly ($8M) - Werenski ($6M) = $9M in savings. A very sizeable amount indeed. Right when we need to re-sign Ladri, Dermott, Liljegren, Sandin, Andersen, and probably a couple other that will have been playing on bridge contracts.

05 Oct 2018 08:01:35
Even if the 2nd goes the other way, not a chance CBJ does that.

04 Oct 2018 15:09:37
Canucks russel lind


Caps wilson

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04 Oct 2018 16:11:18
Wilson isn’t getting traded. They will have to try to get through to him to tone it down obviously but he can’t stop playing hard. They pay him that money (too much) because he can play with skilled players and he creates space and turnovers which gives Ovie and Kuz the puck a lot. The day he starts leering guys off the hook and not hitting them hard, is the day guys make the right play instead of rushing to ditch the puck knowing he’s on the ice. Then he’s useless at that money. Also I’m not sure if Marchand jumps Eller last night if Tom Wilson is sitting on the bench.

04 Oct 2018 17:13:38
Don’t think Caps want to trade Wilson just yet. He’s stupid and immature, but he was playing beside OV. I expect they will have warned him to tone it down or face even more severe consequences. Maybe he will learn a lesson this time. Vancouver won’t be wanting him while he’s on suspension for 1/ 4 of the season anyway.

04 Oct 2018 17:42:59
What? Jim do you actually think an enforcer can reduce the number of dirty plays and cheap shots in a game? Oh my maybe there is hope for you after all.

04 Oct 2018 19:21:28
Washington loves Wilson tho. Hence the crazy contract they just signed him to. Hey aren't trading him.

04 Oct 2018 19:34:05
Yes I do, I’ve never felt or said otherwise lol a real tough player who can fight like Wilson/ reaves, even Matt Martin. But if this is you still trying to double down on your statement that “Max Domi is the police of the game”, then no. Guys who sucker punch (Marchand, domi etc) are the reason to have enforcers. They are not the enforcers! Lol figure that out and we can stop the stupidity here.

04 Oct 2018 22:07:45
I said players should be allowed to police themselves not domi. don't start twisting again like always man. Makes you look even worse when you do that.

04 Oct 2018 23:04:56
Habby, I was commenting on a completely different post, nothing said to you or about you and you had to bring it up again lol you’re a clown. Like leafs17 said, a grumpy old man. Leave it alone.

05 Oct 2018 14:23:17
So when your caught twisting around what someone says to try and make yourself feel better the name calling starts again. Your such a class act jim. You should just stay in your own world where you would rather see a dirty hit which causes an injury to the other player about 70% of the time then see a punch to the face which gives someone a broken nose every blue moon.

05 Oct 2018 17:44:54
I said I can respect someone who misses their mark while trying to lay a clean hit a lot more than someone who chicken wing elbows a players face 60 feet from the play or a premeditated sucker punch. That’s what I said. So if you’re asking which one I’d rather see: Tom Wilson’s hit last week or Todd bertuzzis attack on Moore, or tie domi trying to decapitate Scott Niedermayer in the playoffs, I would rather see Wilson’s hit, yes. And that you can quote me on and tell your grandkids how misguided that thinking is.

05 Oct 2018 17:45:15
Now you have your answer, will you drop it?

06 Oct 2018 00:14:43
I'll drop it when you do Cause now you see different circumstances can warrant different opinions because I said right from the start domi should not have done what he did but Ekblad has a history with the habs like for example last time they played last season he tried to head shot hudon for no reason that also wasn't the first time.

And the slash immediately before the altercation with domi was not what ticked domi off. And yes a true sucker punch like what bertuzzi and tie domi did ( several times in his career) are not even close to being on the same level as trying to fight someone for 10 seconds and then finally punching them. Ekblad had plenty of time to react and or protect himself.

With regards to marchand he shouldn't have handled that the way he did either but eller still deserved it. and you can cut out the grand pa stuff I doubt I'm much older then you.

06 Oct 2018 04:39:27
You also said Kadri had an ‘attempt to injure’ on Wednesday lol so excuse me for not believing the history Ekblad has and all the bad things he’s done. I guess touching a hab is ‘intent to injure’ because you’ve used that term over and over.
Also I have no problem with people being upset that eller celebrated a 7-0 goal that way, but Brad Marchand being the judge of what’s classy behaviour on the ice is hilarious. Also if eller had it coming for classless celebrating, why when I brought up Max Domi dropping to his knees to do a fist pump celebration on an empty netter, or taunting the USA bench with a ‘Captain Morgan’ celebration was that not a big deal?! Once again, he’s not the guy to be enforcing a code. The hypocrisy is astounding.

06 Oct 2018 04:43:14
And you didn’t say right from the start domi shouldn’t have done it lol look back, you said the only regrettable thing is that he didn’t do more damage haha it’s still on the page, only a few days ago. Give it a few months so it’s more buried before you blatantly lie for effect.

06 Oct 2018 05:40:33
Actually I said he shouldn't have done it and also that it was stupid pretty much right from the start. So instead of twisting around what i said your just ignoring the parts you don't want me to have said now. I know it's really important to you to be right 100% of the time but come on man you can't just see the things you want to see and pretend every thing else doesn't exist . Lol.

06 Oct 2018 16:00:16
Like you not telling me what Kadris intent to injure was. And not explaining how eller celebrating like that was wrong but domi doing far worse taunts after goals isn’t a big deal? That’s kinda only responding to parts of the convo you want to too isn't it? Again hypocrisy just oozes from you.

06 Oct 2018 16:03:15
You said he shouldn’t have done it, then that evolved to you wished he hurt him worse, now back to he shouldn’t have done it. That’s not “he shouldn’t have done it right from the start”. If you had have stayed saying it was wrong to do all along, that’s “right from the start”.

06 Oct 2018 17:35:20
Jim the oozing of hypocrisy was when you said sadd was a more physical player then pacioretty and when asked four times to explain why you thought that way you just ignored it instead of admitting you were wrong. Because when someone thinks they are perfect they can't see their own flaws.

06 Oct 2018 18:27:17
😂 lol. Again, waiting for Kadris vicious attempt. And why a capital celebrating too loud is wrong but knee sliding fist pumps for an empty netter isn’t a big deal. Try to think of the reason between Matlock and Murder She Wrote.

06 Oct 2018 20:06:55
It' should be coming soon I posted it before the last reply.

06 Oct 2018 20:07:50
And stop being an person again I said minor attempt now your saying vicious.

06 Oct 2018 20:14:30
Just in case my earlier posted doesn't make the cut he dove on prices leg while he was down. Wasn't real vicious or anything but nobody said it was. I wouldn't want you to think I was avoiding telling you like you still do when asked about the saad/ pacioretty comparison lol.

06 Oct 2018 20:25:25
And in case the domi post doesn't make it my argument was he was still a kid when what your saying happened not a 10 year vet like eller plus I'm pretty sure he would have loved to fight marchand instead of doing the turtle. also I'm sure if I wanted to take an hour to search up matthews and marner I'd find something stupid they did as a 17 or 18 year old. But yeah keep going cause not being agreed with really doesn't bother you lol. How insecure can someone be?

 


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