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01 Apr 2018 21:35:21
TJ Brodie for DAL 2018 1st + J. Robertson

M. Stone + 6th 2019 for PHI 3rd 2018

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01 Apr 2018 19:38:15
I read that cuncks might take on a bad contract this year if sedin retire


Oiler drias lucic 1 rd pick

Horvat sven tanev

Rnh mcdavid jesse.p
Sven horvat aberg
Cagguli strome rattyi
? khaira zassian

Cant say rubbish taking lucic contact makes up for the differnt between horvat and drais and tanev and sven worth a top ten pick

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01 Apr 2018 20:12:41
How are you not the oilers gm? I mean you are obviously qualified with the outstanding proposals you put on here. Please please post more so we can all see how dumb we are for thinking so highly of drai.

02 Apr 2018 01:01:03
add eriksson and it's a done deal!

02 Apr 2018 03:52:33
Ok so drias get 75 points a year lucic 35= 110 pts horvat if wasnt injuryed 60 but let's just say 55 sven 45 to 50 if he wasnt injuyed so 100 pts plus tanev 10 110 points so there getting the sam points per year but they have a deep team and safe 4 million. Year on cap but in dumb?

02 Apr 2018 03:56:12
Lol I know you love Draisaitl but get in your head that he will not be traded.

02 Apr 2018 23:25:53
I. Know. It most likey won't happen but vaule wise it even.

01 Apr 2018 18:33:58
Buffalo trades Ryan O'Reilly to
St. Louis for Fabbri, R., Berglund, P. and Sanford, Z.

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02 Apr 2018 03:56:45
Not enough quality more quantity.

02 Apr 2018 05:24:56
Fabbri quality.

02 Apr 2018 08:22:19
Stl adds Jay Bou ( cap dump ) and a 1st.

02 Apr 2018 18:21:44
@ vbbbvvbb If the Blues added Bouwmeester and a 1st, Jason Botterill would jump at that trade. But I would love to get feed back on that deal.

03 Apr 2018 00:48:37
Robby is coming off two knee surgerys. He is a top six player. With his injuries it hurts his value wOrth more to blues than he is traded. As for the first stuff, blues need to keep thier picks. No need for RoR with emergence of schenn and with robert thomas moving to nhl next year. We may also sign statsny again. No need for this trade.

01 Apr 2018 18:24:58
BUF trades Okposo, K, Girgensons, Z and McCabe, J
To CGY for Brodie, T.

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01 Apr 2018 18:23:18
Buffalo trades Ryan O'Reilly to
Carolina for Skinner, J., 2019 3rd round pick (CAR) and RFA Trevor Van Riemsdyk.

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02 Apr 2018 08:37:30
Pretty sure Skinners worth more then oreilly because of age and better contract. But Oreilly is a center so Idlk.

02 Apr 2018 18:11:51
@ Colt65, Skinner is 32 and ROR is 27. Skinner one more year at $5,725,000 v ROR 5 more years at $7,000,000. Because of the length of the contracts ROR may be better because he is locked up and Skinner may leave after one, but Skinner is the less expensive contract. The age certainty favors ROR being 5 years younger.

31 Mar 2018 23:52:49
Ok so giving the change in the nhl leaderboards recently with buffalo being bottom team and ottawa and Arizona being tied, and the fact arizona has a much easier final 4 to 5 games than ottawa does here's something to ponder.

Arizona : Arizona 2018 1st

Ottawa : Pittsburgh 2018 1st, Ceci, Ryan, and batherson

Then.

Ottawa : gaborik

Vegas : Vegas 2018 6th

Ottawa ups their chances in lottery significantly to land dahlin or at least a couple guys who can help now.

Arizona plays it safe as if they get the 3rd best odds they are more likely to draft 5th than anything else. So the trade it for a top 6 (50 to 60 point getter) in Ryan, a solid young top 4 defenceman in Ceci, a proven splint prospect in batherson who broke out big in world juniors and junior league, plus they still get a 1st I'll be it later with pens pick.

Then. ottawa uses all the cap they saved not only to resign stone and karlsson but also bring in Tavares as well.

Current available cap space in ottawa is roughly 11 million and these moves would free up 14 million more or 19 million if MacArthur retires. That's roughly 25 to 30 million to work with which is more than enough and will leave them with roughly 5 to 7 million to spare after all 3 have been signed making melnic happy too.

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01 Apr 2018 00:54:15
Omg when will you learn?
You don’t give a damn rubbish about what other teams needs
I’ll make it simple
Wanna trade your 1st for Juulsen Lehkonen Poehling plus a 2d

You need to put your self in the other teams shoes
If you post nonsense like this again then you will nevertheless learn.

01 Apr 2018 01:26:02
Wow. Dream on. These are some of the worst Ottawa biased you've posted. And that's a crazy statement.

01 Apr 2018 03:01:31
Trash.

That pick is going to be top 5, 150%. that's one of Rasmus Dahlin, Andrei Svechnikov, FIlip Zadina, Adam Boqvist and Brady Tkachuk.

Whats going to Arizona in your deal? let's see:

Pittsburghs First-
Considering Pittsburghs playoff history, that pick is more than likely going to be low twenties. If I was to make a guess, I don't think they threepeat, but I think that pick is like 28th or something. Whos there at that pick? K'Andre Miller? Akil Thomas? that's a way step down from 3rd Overall.

Bobby Ryan-
A cap dump. Get it through your head. he's not a 50-60 point guy. If he was, and wasn't a cap dump, then why would Ottawa be desperately trying to package off his salary with Karlsson in order for suitors to be able to afford Karlsson in terms of a trade package, as adding Ryan to a Karlsson only lowers Karlsson's value. Ryan is a cap dump. Please understand that and stop being biased.

Cody Ceci -
A mediocre at best dman, probably a #4 at best. Kinda similar to Nathan Beaulieu, and I've seen lots of Sens fans want his head. So I don't think he'd bring much more to the table than a 2nd, and even that would be neglected by Ryans negative value.

Drake Batherson -
A good prospect, who probably projects as a 3rd liner with upside, but is also very unknown and unproven. Certainly not enough to move up from the late rounds of the 1st to the top 5.

Basically, if Arizona proposed:
Alex Goligoski (Bobby Ryan: but a bit less bloated of a contract) + Richard Panik (Cody Ceci, except as a forward) + Ryan MacInnis (scorer at the junior level, similar to Batherson) + ARZ 2nd Round Pick (high second) for Ottawas 1st Round Pick in 2017.

Does this make any sense for Ottawa? Of course not. Similarly, the original trade is terrible for Arizona.

01 Apr 2018 12:17:01
Ok you seriously don't follow the sport do you TopShelfSlappers? If you did you'd realise the statements you made on the players involved in this proposal are completely absurd and absolutely ridiculous.

1st - yes that will be a late pick but it's still a 1st

Bobby Ryan - outside of last season dude to health issues and somewhat this season though not as bad because he's been shifted from line to line more times than we can count, he has been and will continue to be a 50 to 60 point guy, anyone with half a brain and has 2 eyes that aren't blind can go themselves to check his career stats and will see that I am right and you are wrong, take those negative value comment and put em where the sun don't shine.

Cody Ceci - is a top 3 young defenceman who still has time to improve and is valued by other teams whether you like it or not he's worth at least a mid to late 1st himself just ask Edmonton who was ready to give hall for him if not for the need of MELNICK approval.

Drake batherson - NOT PROVEN? You can't be serious? One of world junior team Canada's leading scorers and a leading scorer in his current league. How is that not proven?

Goligoski has been a failure everywhere he's been and in no way is comparable to Ryan outside of a bad contract.

Of course this makes sence for both teams ottawa dumps in needed cap to sign players they want to keep and make an attempt on a major free agent signing in Tavares while gaining more odds to land dahlin and another major draftees who can help now at a faction of the cost sent away.

Arizona adds scoring in ryan, youth and potential in batherson and the pits 1st, and a guy who can finally play number 2 on that team to oel.
Gives up the 3rd which is the most likely to get bumped to 5th or 6th as 5th is best odds due to how lottery is run.

Arizona and Vegas have the cap for these kind've contracts as well making it mot out of the realm of possibility.

Just because you or a lot of other "fans" don't like Ryan or other sens players for whatever reason don't mean you're right about them or their value!

01 Apr 2018 14:26:35
Bobby Ryan point total:
25 last season in 62 games.
33 this season in, I believe, 58 games.

Neither of those are at all close to a 50 point pace buddy. And yes he has gotten 50 points before in his career, well, Daniel and Henrik Sedin have gotten 100 before, Lupuls been PPG, Milan Michalek was solid, Dion Phaneuf was thought of for a Norris, Milan Lucic was a 60 point guy and Brandon Dubinsky was a solid shutdown 50 point centre. Everyone falls off buddy. Ryan has too. Get it through your head. He has negative value. he's never going to be a 50 point guy again, and never going to be a solid player again. And he is injury prone as well, which is another huge downside tp trading for him. And he has a 7.25 cap for what, the next, I think 4 seasons? Its ridiculous you think he has value, and then to call me out on not watching hockey because apperantky you know all.

Ceci - he may have been worth a 1st at so, e time but remember, that is the GM that traded Seguin, Hall, Boychuk and Eberle for pennys on the dollar. Even if he was worth a 1st before, he isn't worth it anymore. Its been two years and he's stagnated in growth. Certainly not worth a 1st. Maybe a mid second as i said, but that therefore counteracts bobby ryans cap dump.

Bathersom - yes. He is unproven, the WJC's don't mean s*** unless the playee actually turns into something. Look at Nic Petan and Curtis Lazar, they were WJC heros, now they're fighting for their lives as bottom 6 players. Also, he's nowhere near the top of his league in points, he's over PPG, but he's barely played 30 games this year. Get your facts straight.

And tbh, considering contract, i'd rather Goligoski than Ryan. lol.

01 Apr 2018 14:28:27
And buddy, Cody Ceci wouldn't even by number 2 on Zona, lol. OEL, Hjalmarsson, Jacob Chychurn and i'd argue Goligoski are better than Ceci. Lol.

01 Apr 2018 16:02:02
Biased Ramblo back with another window licking lopsided trade proposal.

Arizona laughs and then hangs up.

Bobby Ryan has negative value. You're wrong. Get over it.

Look at the comments under your proposal. Fans of all different teams calling it out for what it is -- a garbage, biased proposal. This is not some conspiracy against Ottawa or its players. Take off your homer glasses and come back to reality.

01 Apr 2018 17:36:51
None of those guys you mentioned are anywhere close to being better than ceci. closest one was hjalmerson when he was in Chicago penny picking off the success of guys like Keith Seabrook Campbell hossa Kane panarin byfuglien and toews, now he's a fraction of that player not worth a dime.

As for Ryan let me say it again so maybe it can get through your thick skull.

This season he's been shifted from line to line like crazy some that have chemistry some that don't how does anyone expect him to put up his regular numbers if he doesn't have a steady line combo to work with?

Last season the guy was plagued with health issues that got in the way yet with both of those season he still managed 0.6 points per game which is actually decent and still far away from negative value or goligoski value.

Now that both those seasons are out of the way look at the rest of his career, every other year his point totals were above 50 per year, stats don't lie!

As for batherson comment world juniors definitely affect value of prospect and have for years, what rock have you been living under exactly? So does their junior league performances. How do you think draft priority is determined. same thing for trade value of already drafted prospects.

01 Apr 2018 17:39:38
I’m really starting to get sick of your rubbish No bias.

01 Apr 2018 18:25:09
Dahlin> Karlsson, Stone, Batherson And Pits 1st.

01 Apr 2018 20:49:14
Okay Rambo, whatever man, the agree/ disagree ratio probably doesn't mean s*** to you, but sure.

Ryan has the value of JVR easily, and deserves a 1st Round Pick and a decent prospect.

Ceci is a top 2 dman, and has compltly found that potential. He is capable of keeping up with OEL and Josi. He certainly is comparable to a guy like Ryan Ellis.

And Drake Batherson is a top proapect who is totally guarranteed to be a top 6 forward, with the upside of Matt Barzal cause of course the WJC show everything about a player.

Yup. You're righr about everything Ramo. You truly are so qualified, and are as smart as Steve Yzerman. You deserve 0 criticsm, because you are so smart. Why don't the Senators just hire you? You'd save the franchise!

01 Apr 2018 22:50:40
The worst part is that he's serious. Posts are terrible but the explanations are even worse. Delusional a f.

02 Apr 2018 03:58:41
Rambo the next destruction artist
Ironic.

03 Apr 2018 15:29:47
Do you not know how to read or were you just born with a rock in your head?

I never claimed Ceci was a top 2 guy or was comparable to guys like josi or oel, just that he was a top 3 to 4 dman on most, if not all teams, who is still young and could still reach potential to 2 status.

And yes, Ryan's value is at least the same as jvr, as one/ two bad seasons do not define a players career. Especially a player like Ryan who has put up 50 plus points every other year has played and proved he still has it in last year's playoff run. Saying Ryan has negative value right now is the same thing as saying max domi has negative value right now but I don't see anyone jumping on that band wagon to bash domi? Why not? Domi had an outstanding rookie season but ever since he's been same point totals as Ryan's last 2 years. I'm not saying the guy is worth 7 million but any and every team in the league would be happy to give him 5 million a season for what he contributes to their team if he played for them and that does not mean he is negative value in fact quite the opposite.

No prospect is guarrenteed anything, that is why they are called prospects just like no pick is guarenteed to be number 1 overall in the new lottery format with the 3rd last in the rankings having the worst odds of all top 3 PICKS to even get a top 3 selection. That's the risk teams take on any prospect or draft pick and whether or not they will pan out.

I don't overvalued sens players but unlike you lot I don't undervalued them either. I value them for what they are worth.

31 Mar 2018 21:38:25
Devils: sign johnny t

Trade mcloed

Mtl: gallagher


Bratt johnn gallagher
Hall hichier palmieri
Wood zacha noesen
Gibson boyle coleman

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31 Mar 2018 21:57:14
Tbh i'd have a hard time letting Gallagher go for a 20 year old unproven prospect. Because Gallagher is proven. At the same time Mcleoud would instanly become are best center prospect and he's shoen a lot of potential. i'd say yes from mtl if Devils where willing to trade they're 20 year 12 overall pick. With Hischer and Zacha down the middle they might be.

01 Apr 2018 11:33:12
Not sold on McLeod wasn't really impressive this year and as a 20 year old junior he should have dominated.

31 Mar 2018 19:44:19
Mtl) Juulsen
Tor) Dermott

Mtl needs LHd
Tor needs Rhd

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31 Mar 2018 21:39:15
No from mtl you sure your a habs fan? Julsen is are best prospect atm. he's poised to be a solid top 4 RHD. From what I heard, Dermott seems to be a second good pick for the leafs but for me this guy isn't enough to get rif of your best prospect who played very well this year in the nhl.

31 Mar 2018 22:15:25
Dermotts played just as good, if not better than Juulsen. I'm not budging w. that if i'm toronto,

31 Mar 2018 22:26:08
Habs just over hype all there prospects lol mete sherbank larose list goes on.

01 Apr 2018 00:56:35
Dermott is more offensive and Juulsen is younger and better defensively.

01 Apr 2018 04:56:56
Brock you can't talk about others over hyping their players with the Canuks proposals you always make.

01 Apr 2018 05:38:05
Well ever sense the draft year Dermotte was projected top 4 stay at home dman that had junior stats inflated by Strome and McDavid. But at every level he repeated is production and is looking like he’s going to exceed his projected potential. He made team Canada over Juulson for a reason. He fits right in with the D core of Toronto and you never see him make mistakes. Juulsen is reaching bust territory his stats are decreasing and isn’t very stellar defensively.

PS. They're the same age.

31 Mar 2018 07:04:54
Canuck horvat tanev sutter sven grunlund


Olier drias 1 rd pick sekra

Rnh mcdavid jesse.p
Sven horvat goldobin
Lucic sutter strome
Cagiula grunlund yam
Kelf larson
Nurse tanev
Russel bening

Petterson drais boeser
Sedin sedin gagner
Svechnikov gaudette virtanen
Lipsic chapu erikson

Edler stecher
Joulevi guddy
Pouliot hutton
Canucks draft dobson or bouchard with edm pick

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31 Mar 2018 08:16:17
You posted this already, just a few days ago. And also forgot "Sekra" in you're line up again
Where did Goldobin come from?
Where did Kassian, Aberg, Slepy, Rattie, Khiara go?
Just stop with Canuke Oilers proposals. Your posts are terrible.

31 Mar 2018 19:30:40
Please stop, every time you post it gets even worse.

31 Mar 2018 20:59:03
Sekra wouldn't make there line up and slepy sucks and aberg and rattie would spears zassian get go on waviers same as slepy and khiara there spear d they would be a better team with this line up then they are now.

31 Mar 2018 22:50:04
Brock needs some phyciatric help.

01 Apr 2018 00:28:19
You answered that you made half the players on the team disappear, but still never said why goldobin switched teams? Lol this is an absolute mess.

01 Apr 2018 01:27:34
Yep, you're a clueless idiot. It's been confirmed over and over again.

31 Mar 2018 03:08:55
Buffalo trades Ristolainen, R, Pominville, J and
Beaulieu, N
to EDM for Nugent-Hopkins, R, 2019 2nd round pick (EDM) and 2019 3rd round pick (NYI)

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31 Mar 2018 05:24:34
Lol you can’t be serious.

31 Mar 2018 15:05:31
@Keyhabs please elaborate, who wins, who loses. "LOL you can't be serious" tells me nothing.

31 Mar 2018 15:44:40
1st of all a huge, young top pairing d man like Risto has more value than nuge not to say nuge doesn’t have good value just that d like risto aren’t nearly as common as 2nd line centerman. So just based on the availability of guys like risto elevates his value considerably higher than nuge. 2nd buffalo already has Eichel and Rielly and Reinhart as centerman so there really is no need for another centerman especially at the cost of their best defenceman. Base on the needs of buffalo and the fact that there isn’t enough quality going to buffalo it’s a pretty easy no from buffalo.

31 Mar 2018 18:35:39
Reinhart garbage.

31 Mar 2018 19:32:24
You land a a top DMan for a secound line player
Cmon man we both know this is so biased in Edmonton 's favor.

31 Mar 2018 20:02:55
Reinhart better then strome or jesse. p.

01 Apr 2018 00:37:33
Yeah, Reinhart has been a lot better if you’ve watched him play. I’ve never been a huge believer in him, but 17, 20 and 23 goal seasons by age 21 is not garbage. By that standard, a lot of oilers players that you seem to have hope for are atrocious.

But regardless It’s a top pair RH Dman, a 4-6 Dman ans a veteran body for your 3rd best centre (2nd on a lot of teams) a 2nd and a 3rd lol come on man.

01 Apr 2018 17:09:58
If you had a 21 or 22 year old player averaging 20 goals a year through his first 3 NHL seasons on your team, would you call him garbage? No you wouldn’t.

01 Apr 2018 17:58:56
Wow people agreed with me :)

01 Apr 2018 23:36:33
@Brock, I don’t agree with your trades lol they’re typically awful, I just don’t agree with him saying a decent young player is garbage. If you wanna take that as a win, I won’t stop ya haha.

 


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