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13 Nov 2018 17:52:22
Ana: Montour


Tor: Nylander


I honestly believe Montour has the same value then Nylande maybe even a little more. Based on contract and age plus position I think it's a valid claim.

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13 Nov 2018 23:14:42
Yeah they should do that trade so oilers fans can stop hearing about the hall for Larrson trade.

14 Nov 2018 05:15:13
Yeah, no thanks from the leafs.

And unless Nylander singlehandedly takes Anaheim to the playoffs and wins the Hart a year after the trade, it wouldn’t be the same lol.

14 Nov 2018 05:59:38
It would be close enough to probably shut some people up for awhile though.

13 Nov 2018 15:58:30
For those who think I am a secret Oilers fan. Well, I am a fan, however for tonight.. hate em! Lol.
Hopefully bounce back game for Price..

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13 Nov 2018 17:26:41
Haha. Good luck man! Always like a home game for the Habs and Leafs out west. Always fun games. Should be alright. Oilers sucking balls now, changed lines up an everything yesterday's practice. Might be going to Drai and McDavid together again. Why not switch it up and stack it, working in Bos and Col. Give it a try while slumping. I hope we start Kosk, win, the. Start him again next game.

13 Nov 2018 18:59:31
If I was always working around home I would always buy a ticket game package with either the Leafs or Habs game and sell that game, You always make money off those tickets because there are so many Poole from out easy in Alberta and they can only see their team once a season so resale is awesome for those two games.

13 Nov 2018 20:06:52
SosaOilers24.

13 Nov 2018 20:44:24
Your team is struggling. my goalie is. and McDavid hasn't had a really big game in a couple weeks. Not sure I like this, lol.
What's up with Talbot? Was he a one year sensation? ya. I'd start the other one . Koskinen? That his name?
Ya, I had planned to go to both Edmonton and Calgary, as I am off for awhile from a surgery. however, still no healed up enough. oh well. Next year.

13 Nov 2018 20:48:18
Oh ya. Yupp. and anyone else. What about Coach Q.? . think it could be possible?

13 Nov 2018 21:55:02
Im on leave from work after a hernia surgery, was going to get tickets for both Edmonton and Calgary games, but I can't sit that long yet. damn! . Couple years ago I paid like 1000 for 2 tickets to see Habs and Flames with my father. Price came down with the flu, and we lost 5 zip.

13 Nov 2018 22:12:19
Haha. maybe come playoff time HGb.

13 Nov 2018 23:03:47
Ya not sure what's up with Talbot right now. Not looking too good as of late. Last season the Oilers and hin let either the very first shot on net in or a goal within the first 2/ 3 minutes. That's soooo deflating right off the bat. Again happened very first game on the year vs jersey in Sweden and again last game vs the Aves and maybe one other time. So bad. Not sure what's up with him.
Talbot is 5-7 now with a bunch of loses in a row.
Koskinen is 3-1. And they are starting him tonight and I'm happy. He's looked so good. There's was criticism over that signing for $2.5M but he was considered the best goalie outside the NHL for a reason. He's massive and has looked good. I like him and hope he can get a few games. LW and maybe even go 50/ 50. A good battle in net should be healthy for the team I would hope.

And coach Q, I would seriously call him up and if he's interested in the Oilers job, I would make the change right now. If he's interested. I thought he would just chill this year and wait for the right fit and he gets $6M this and next year still. But I also heard he's ready to coach again whenever now. I also want to make some sort of trade. Minor or major. Shake it up. Let everyone in the room know they got to play hard for their job kinda thing. I want Faulk, Zucc, Tofoli or event goalie Bob. Lol.

14 Nov 2018 00:33:29
Battle of the Finnish backups tonight. Koskinen and Niemi are both from the Sam town in Finland. Only other one from same town in the league is Filpula.
Talbot/ Price - 10 wins / 15 losses.
Koskinen/ Niemi - 7 wins / 2 losses.
Think I just heard that right. Sucks for both of us. I know Talbot is 5-7 and Kick 3-1. Our next 6 games is a. If stretch. Montreal, Calgary, Vegas, San Jose, Anaheim, LAK. So messed up we play our first division opponent 17 games into the season vs Calgary Saturday.

14 Nov 2018 00:35:35
Ya Goalie Bob would be great, however no way Oil can re sign him.
Well Yupp. Sounds like Habs are starting Niemi. so you have a chance at least, Price was ready to start showing the world he's still the best. guess Flames will have to deal with that lmao.

14 Nov 2018 04:44:19
Well Yupp. that sucked . lol.

14 Nov 2018 06:00:50
Yeah had a feeling after the first oiler goal it was going to be a rough night. Not often a shot misses the net by 4 feet and still scores lol.

14 Nov 2018 13:24:45
Lol. Ya that first goal was finally a good bounce for the Oilers early in a game for once. But what about the other 5? 🤔 Those were lucky too I guess.
I really like Koskinen, 4-1 now, great signing so far. He's so clam in net. 6' 7" monster. And his rebound control is unreal. There barely ever is a rebound! I like the guy.
He better get Calgary on Saturday. Give Talbot Vegas the next day Sunday. Better happen.
Price needs to step up next game. Sucks to see him doing poor.

14 Nov 2018 14:42:42
No yupp wasn't trying to imply all the oilers goals were flukey lol. They deserved the win tonight habs played their worst game so far.3rd goal was a fluke too though lol. And I'd have to disagree on koskinen he gave up a rebound on just about every habs shot lol. I'm not sure who you were watching lol. Luckily habs didn't have many quality scoring chances or any traffic in front of him.

14 Nov 2018 15:27:19
🤔. Well they showed a highlight package Of at least ten shots where he swallowed the puck and didn't allow are kind, not sure what game you were watching. I Definetely noticed.
Maybe not ALL the shots but it's def a strong part of his game anyways. But hey, we don't need to argue Man, I know what I saw and I really liked it. I'm crazy like that.

I might go to Montreal end of Jan / Start of Feb and Oilers play on Montreal Feb 3. Would be fun to go to a game there! I've been to every NHL rink in Canada expect Montreal and Winnipeg. To me those seem like the funnest atmosphere for games too!

14 Nov 2018 16:12:49
Yeah I guess they wouldn't show highlights of bad rebounds anyways unless someone scored which the habs didn't. I watched the game and said a few times he wasn't controlling rebounds very we'll at all and if the habs weren't so stupid they could have scored a few more lol at least he was making the save on the 1st shot that's more then we can say about our goaltending lately.

14 Nov 2018 21:16:41
I find he gives a lot of rebounds on his glove side especially.

13 Nov 2018 11:19:00
Hall Trade redo

What Oilers got:

Larson


What they should of gotten:

Severson, Zacha, 1rd 2016

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13 Nov 2018 18:13:26
Yes but the Oilers wanted to win now. They wanted immediate help on the blue line. Hall for PK was the deal till something happened. That would have been fair.

12 Nov 2018 18:28:33
Hey Yupp, just seen on a different convo Larsson / Hall trade mentioned.
What do you feel about that trade? Do you fee the Oilers got hosed?
I seen you say they go what they expected, however, do you feel that the Oilers should have received more.. it's kinda how I feel about PK/Weber. think we should of received more.

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12 Nov 2018 20:24:28
I don’t know if this is true but I heard Chiarelli barely let it be known that Hall was available just like he did with Hamilton.
Larsson is the type of D the Oil needed and I’m happy with him but he’s not on the level of Hall. There were rumours Jones almost went for RNH so I’m sure Hall could have gotten him, I’m sure there could’ve been better packages out there if Chiarelli would’ve sat on it like Sakic did with Duchene.

12 Nov 2018 20:29:22
The Hall for Larsson trade was absolute theft.

PK for Weber was not great by any means, but Hall for Larsson was a fireable offense. Not sure how Chia still has a job.

12 Nov 2018 22:24:09
I'm not sure about this, but was it necessary to get rid of Hall for cap reasons at the time? I don't imagine that would be an issue with such a young team.

12 Nov 2018 21:51:26
How dare you Sosa. You know there are 30 other teams to talk about.

12 Nov 2018 22:43:12
That trade was the one miss over the past three one for ones for dmen.

Johansen, Drouin and Hall were turned into Jones, Sergachev and Larsson.

Larsson's not bad by any means, lol, don't think I'm hating here, but he's nowhere near what Taylor Hall became. I mean, at the time, it was bad, but not nearly what it became after Hall blossomed into a top 5 winger in the league.

Imo, for Hall, they should've looked for someone younger than Larsson. idk who, but a similar mould to Larsson in a younger body. Even then NJ would win the the trade because of what Hall became, but it would've been better.

12 Nov 2018 22:47:58
Well after last season it certainly looks like a huge loss for Edm doesn't it. I see where they thought was the right direction to go but hasn't worked out too well.
The first year after the trade Hall had 53 points and his team was picking first overall in the draft while the Oilers went to game 7 of the second round. -Oilers win that year. Second year of the trade the Oilers miss the playoffs and he goes on a run and carries his team into a playoff birth with a career year. -Jersey wins that year.

Now it's third year and the Oilers could use Hall next to Drai that's for sure. There was lots of off ice stuff that lead to Hall being traded out of Edm as well. I personally never once liked Hall but with how the league has changed to being more fast paced and skilled as opposed to big and strong more so, it's a loss. But without Larson the oilers would be so terrible on the back end, if we had of gone out and gotten a skinner or a Hoffman type that would great right now. But yes I mt would have been nice if they got a good prospect or good pick with Larsson for Hall. Straight up was a win in year one, loss in year two and IMO still carried over as a loss to year three.

Talking about absolute theft? Subban now has more points (110) with Nashville than Weber has games played with Montreal. Let that sink in for a minute. 🙄😳😳

Ebs I don't understand your Hamilton comment. Chiarelli didn't trade Hamilton, Don Sweeney did. And I just read that's Bob Hartley the Flames coach at that time said Calgary heard well in advance that Hamilton was maybe available and they had a lot of time to watch vid and research on Hamilton. You mean Seguin probably?
I can dig up an article of all the fingerprints Chiarelli has on the current Boston team if anyone needs. People think he ruined Boston but they are doing just fine right now.

I want chia to make a trade right now to shake things up, For Zuccarello or Tafoli or Faulk. And I want coach Todd to play Koskinen more starts than Talbot in the next ten games.

13 Nov 2018 01:29:55
Lol Leafs17 🙄🙄. There's a difference when you're actually starting the convo on a topic. Don't turn this into a petty argument. And You complain so much when I make comments like you just said. Come on man.

13 Nov 2018 03:31:19
Are you really telling us to look at Chiarellis track record in Boston? Sure he had some good moves, bringing Chara with him from ottawa was great, drafting Lucic and Marchand outside the first round was really good, Pasternak is a stud late in the 1st round and the trade for Rask was robbery.

But you have been ripping leafs fans because Dubas hasn’t been able to sign William Nylander. Chiarelli was unable to keep THREE top 10 picks past their 21st birthday lol Chiarelli drafted Kessel 5th overall, couldn’t get him signed after his ELC, traded him away. Won the trade getting the picks for Seguin and Hamilton. Couldn’t get Hamilton Signed and so Sweeney traded him away 2 months after he replaces Chiarelli. Signed Seguin to a 5 year extension but traded him away after his ELC for a package which the best pieces were Loui Ericsson and Rielly smith, then traded Riley smith for kevin hayes lol but wait, before that he traded Blake wheeler and Mark Stuart for rich peverly and Boris vlabik. Come on man. He’s got awful moves with them. Add in that he made David Krejci the highest paid Bruin, over Rask, Bergeron and Chara. A contract that they have apparently tried to move multiple times with no luck over the last number of years.

13 Nov 2018 04:19:20
I did take a page out of your book yupp, my apologies. Luckily it was Sosa who posted this.

13 Nov 2018 06:19:57
My bad I thought it was Chiarelli but yeah I still heard the Hamilton trade was a surprise. It’s not a knew thing that the league is faster. Chiarelli just blew the trade.
Yup it actually drives me crazy that Chiarelli didn’t land one of Skinner or Hoffman. It’s obvious Lucic isn’t a top 6 winger so they literally have Reider and Chaisson (career highs of 37 points) as the second line wingers. What did they go for C+ prospects and 2nd round picks?
Chiarelli has traded away pick 16 (Barzal), Hall and Eberle and only got one top 4 D. Also overpayed for two bottom 4 D putting them that much closer to the cap.

13 Nov 2018 09:48:27
😂 man you can try and justify it by how the teams performed since all you want bottom line is Chia traded a player who is in the top 5 of his position for Larsson who is lucky to be in what the top 50 in his? C’mon man imagine how much better the oilers would be if they had gotten a Seth Jones calibre dman (maybe they would have if chia had let more than 6 people know he was available) . Indefensible, fireable offense.

13 Nov 2018 13:47:39
Hall
Wheeler
Seguin
Barzal

Chiarelli has actually gifted almost 15% of the league their best player while getting next to nothing in return. There’s only one guy constantly defending what a great GM he has been. Even other Oiler fans are now commenting on the brutal job he’s done.

He walked into Edmonton with a talented yet underperforming core (hall, RNH, eberle, yakupov), a top prospect in Draisatl and the 1st overall pick to start his tenure there with Mcdavid and after having his tires pumped for making the playoffs once at the expense of a Hart Trophy winner, they were in the draft lottery again.

When he took over there, he had a generational player he gets to select right away, great assets and cap space. In 4 years he still has a great generational player . He liquidated those great assets, bringing in far worse players and evaporated his cap space on Milan Lucic, Kris Russel and Andrej Sekera.

I know it will be called hating, but that’s all fact. He turned what should have been a golden, ideal situation for a GM to take over into a problem. How is this a good track record?!? Lol.

13 Nov 2018 14:26:57
Holy Jim, and you think I go out looking for arguments. The post was about one trade, I said what I thought about it. I even said the Oilers lost the trade and it's not good enough for you you want to argue about so much more. Chiarelli still has some fingerprints on the Bruins organization and staff, that's just a fact. I don't need to argue about it with you. Some good moves some questionable for sure.
Imagine if Chiarelli couldn't get a player signed and he was in danger of sitting out the season, I guarantee you wouldn't think that's a good move because it's not the Leafs.

Unsportsmanlike, is the subban trade an indefensible fireable offense? Just curious yes or no from you, don't need to argue back and fourth about it.

13 Nov 2018 15:58:47
The original post was about one trade, you’re right. And then you talked about what he has done for Boston lol you made it about more than that one trade before I did. What I just laid out in Edmonton is exactly what he has done, no BS or twisting facts. He traded the better player in just about all his trades, overpaid players, has a ton of salary in guys that aren’t making half the impact he wanted them to. That’s his track record.

13 Nov 2018 16:10:26
The sad thing is every GM has a bullet to use before they get fired when things don’t go well. Some use it on a big trade to shake things up, a lot use it to fire the coach, put the blame on them and get another crack at it.

He has already made multiple ‘shake up’ trades and it hasn’t gotten better, probably worse. And now they’re probably going to allow him to fire a really good coach rather than blame the guy who actually made the roster. What is McClellan supposed to do when, like Ebs pointed out, he is given a roster with lucic, Reider and Chiasson as top six guys lol let McClellan coach a team with hall, eberle, maybe barzal in the top six with RNH mcdavid and draisatl and if it’s bad, blame him not the GM, but with the roster he’s been given and the assets he’s had to watch Chiarelli ship out The door, So brutal.

13 Nov 2018 15:55:48
Guys, didn't post that for a Leafs/ Oilers argument. kinda been going on for a month or so. can we all just get over it.? Little bit of rubbing friendly banter is fine, but carrying on and on and on is just getting old.

Yupp. who coming back with Larsson would have made this an equal trade in your opinion.?
Also. for anyone who thinks Habs lost Subban/ Weber trade, what do you wish came with Weber?

13 Nov 2018 16:55:15
Subban / Weber is arguably a fireable offense given how it has turned out, but it was at least semi-defensible in that at the time of the trade Weber was one of the best d-men on the planet. I did not like the trade for Montreal then (and I most certainly do not now) as I thought it was short-sighted (trying to upgrade Montreal’s defence in the near-term but throwing away years of a young D man just entering his prime) but again, at the time of the trade, Weber was dominant.

Larsson had played over 250 games for the devils before being traded and there was never an argument that could be reasonably made that he was ever going to be anything nearly as good as what Taylor Hall was already doing on a bad Edmonton team.

And I’m curious — what do you propose Dubas do differently with Nylander? Willingly roll over in negotiations and overpay him? Numerous GM’s have apparently commented off the record that they fully applaud his approach and that Nylander’s camp is out to lunch with what they are asking for. Dubas is doing the right thing, even if it means Nylander sits out this year.

If he trades Nylander for peanuts or signs him to what Nylander is asking for ($8 mln+ or whatever) — something that Chia would probably do — I’d be the first one to throw him to the wolves. So far Dubas has played his role perfectly, and if Nylander has to sit for the entire year while it is less than ideal, it is better than caving or trading him for less than what he is worth.

13 Nov 2018 17:55:48
Oh man. Good times.
I'm not even sure Sosa, I wasn't surprised we traded him but surprised it was with NJ and am not familiar with their prospects from that time. Now looking at it and Hall has a break out career year the second year after being traded it looks terrible for sure. He fed wasn't that good when he was traded. At the time tho, at least maybe a 2nd win Larsson. Hall would def look good with Drai right now tho, but would he have gotten that 93 point season in Edm and been thought of as a top 5 winger in the league then as an Oiler? Def not.

I never liked the guy, but looking back yes I do with we didn't trade Hall and Didn't sign Lucic to replace him. Jersey has made some good quiet moved lately tho, Johansen, Vatanen, Palmeri, Hall. Getting the 1st overall jumping way up in the lottery. That's Good for them.

I think the Oilers coach and GM should be worried about their jobs right now as well.
I just said we lost the trade, again, and called out my coach and GM. I wonder how people will argue me on that.

13 Nov 2018 22:09:51
So we just going to ignore the 80 points in 75 games he put up in 2013-14? Again, on a bad Oilers team.

And you think if you had him on a PP with McDavid, Drizzy and RNH he would not put up the kind of numbers he did in Jersey? Ok.

14 Nov 2018 05:35:11
No he doesn’t unsportsmanlike. Because that would be common sense. Hall wasn’t good for Edmonton, okay? He wasn’t good until he left. I was told for a week straight that Draisaitl got $8.5 mill because he had 77 pts but a guy had 80pts and already locked in at $6mill long term and that’s not good 🙄. 0.86 pts per game for his oilers career while being the best player they had. Draisatl has a .79ppg while riding shotgun with the best player in the world for half his career. Looking at that, oilers should trade draisatl for a #3-4 Dman and then he can say “we should have got a 2nd with him” lol.

14 Nov 2018 16:17:09
You realllllly love to argue hey Jim.
I hair read an article about how the Tavares and Marleua signings are creating big cap problems that we are seeing now with the Leafs. I bet you will argue and defend those till your blue in the face because it's fun to watch a player sit out 20+ games according to you. He wouldn't be sitting out of you had the cap room and weren't screed for the next two big contracts next year hey. Imagine if I was one of the guys who thought that about the Leafs and non stop relentlessly brought it up and argued it with you.
I'm not tho, I'm so sick of you arguing every single little thing I say from you. You're worse than a woman lately for Christ sakes.

14 Nov 2018 23:36:32
There’s no problem signing Nylander for what he’s actually worth and having Tavares, Marleau, Matthews and marner. It’s him wanting 30% more than he’s worth that’s holding things up. Dubas could take your advice and go the Chiarelli route and ‘just sign him to whatever to get it over with’ and then miss out on a player like Jeff Skinner when he was basically given away because they can’t afford to do anything else because they overpaid. that makes sense. You’re a fountain of logic aren’t you lol they’d rather stick to a blueprinted plan and if one player is being unreasonable, flex the muscle, that the CBA players agreed to, allows you to flex.

15 Nov 2018 00:01:28
And leafs and oilers cap situations are pretty similar, both right. but compare the rosters. Not even close. There’s 5 players on the leafs that oilers 2nd best player (Leon) couldn’t get straight up in a one for one trade. And the bad contract you talk about with the leafs is 38 year old Marleau with one year left at $6.25 and he’s still a better player than lucic with 4 years left at $6mill. Not even close again.

15 Nov 2018 00:46:25
After next season:

Oilers have 9 players signed for $53mill (including $1.33 pouliot buyout) :

Mcdavid, Draisatl, Lucic, RNH, Sekera, Klefbom, Larson, Russel, Marody

If Matthews gets $12mill and marner gets $9 mill
That means leafs would have this 8 signed for $54 million (including $1.2mill Kessel retention) at the same point:

Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Rielly, Andersen, Kadri, Zaitsev, Hyman

Both teams, even down the road, are similar cap situation but compare those groups of players after the obvious mcdavid advantage and it’s not even close again. And that’s if Nylander never comes back lol.

12 Nov 2018 17:14:51
I think I remember Timo Mier being called a bust and not that good on here over the years. Now tied for second in goals this season doing very well. Having a solid break out year.

Skinner is also tied for second in league goals, and now Carolina has cooled down and in need of scoring (hence why they really want Nylander), why did Carolina pretty much give away Skinner this off season? I never understood that move.

And Hoffman, On an 11 game point streak now I believe and Ottawa just gave him away as well. Two solid top 6 wingers just given away basically. I get the Ottawa situation but trading him to San Jose because you didn't want him in your division then San Jose turns around and trades him to Florida. That was so bad.

After a game last week Neal and Mike Smith of the Flames were heard going at it. Apparently Neal was not happy with something Smith said about defensive miscues in the game and told him "make a save". They are roper entry friends off the ice but that's the second time in a week they went at it and the team isn't happy with Smith. Fans want Ritich to take over as well I've read. Smith UFA at seasons end is good for the Flames.

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12 Nov 2018 18:43:48
Could Calgary be a good place for Bobrovski?

13 Nov 2018 01:26:11
I would want goalie Bob on my team, but, For like 3/ 4 years no more than like $7M. He's 30 years old now and rumor has it he wants close to Price money! I would stay so far away, depending on term and money tho I guess. Wait and see who pulls the trigger and offers the most for him.

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11 Nov 2018 20:09:14
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11 Nov 2018 21:18:01
Oh boy. once again, I will say. no way should Montreal trade that 1st round pick. unless by a miracle a franchise defining player is coming back. and no Joulevi is not that guy.

11 Nov 2018 13:54:39
Just back on the fighting topic do you guys think there is anyone who could put up a fight against Ryan Reeves and if not who is the last person that could if any?

Also do you guys think Nylander could be traded for a futures oriented package similar to Karlsson with no Significant piece that helps the leafs short term?

Also one more of both had the same contract who'd you take on your team right now?

Kucherov or Kane

I'm talking Kane this guy can win games by him self. Kucherov is a little bit overrated IMO still a top 5 RW for sure.

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11 Nov 2018 15:34:06
Well Chara. for one. I'm sure there are some guys who could do ok against him. I'm not saying anyone could take him. but I feel lots of guys could do alright.
As for Nylander. I think the Leafs should try to get a top 4 Dman. I'm not sure where they stand in salary cap for the future, so maybe futures are good as well, just with an asset like Nylnder, he could get the return the Leafs need for a cup run. maybe even this year.
Probably Kane as well.

11 Nov 2018 16:31:43
-There was a pool earlier this year by the NHLPA. Whois the toughest player in the league? Reeves received %44 of the votes. Lucic was 2nd with %15 of the votes. No others names in the small article I just found about it. Chara got to be up there IMO.


-This Nylander circus is interesting. If a team can talk to their camp and agree on a deal, what does that do to his value? What package is said team willing to offer up. Teams now know Dubas back is against the wall just because of this Dec 1 deadline. They could play hard ball with him and not offer much. Maybe a decent prospect and a pick, maybe a roster player. i'm not sure any trade will be a big win for Dubas because of this deadline and contract uncertainty. Now that Freidman has said that Dumbas has let teams who are interested know Nylander is on the block and to indicate what you would offer. I wonder just how strong those packages teams offer are. I bet there will be a mix of packages tho, Maybe one for ones. Prospect + 1st, Roster player + 1st.

What kind of those packages do you think Dubas will accept VB? Btw Jim, nothing I said in this is to trash you, it was a legit conversation. Relax before you bring up ten irrelevant off topic things.
Mainly I just think this Dec 1 deadline is a big factor.

11 Nov 2018 18:09:11
If they don’t get what they want, they let him sit out. It’s not that he’s of a situation. The player is owned till he's 27 and can only play in the league under the leafs terms. If a deal makes sense, they trade him. If they get lowballed like you’re suggesting, they don’t. It’s pretty simple.

11 Nov 2018 18:10:17
Carolina would probably offer a dman not named Slavin. ( even Hamilton isn’t fitting there system but I doubt they’d be want to move him so quickly. ) They could be willing to add I’m not sure what. A team like Minnesota could offer up a dman or a future package. Calargry needs a RW still. There was speculation with Nylander and Paryanko that’d be a dream but won’t happen. If not I could still see them offering a a futures package with a contract attached. Like Boumester

I Personally think he’ll go to Carolina in a deal around Pesce.

In a futures package I think he can get a package like Boumester, Rober Thomas And 1st.

11 Nov 2018 18:15:53
Nylander for Puljujarvi and a 1st? Unless you think that 1st is going to be top 5 yupp, again. The oilers would probably have to dump the anchor Lucic to be able to afford a real forward. Don’t be offended, I’m so sorry. So much for being mature and repeating the same jibberish when addressing leaf fans?

11 Nov 2018 18:34:11
Why is Hamilton not fitting in vbb’s? I haven’t heard anything.

11 Nov 2018 18:38:51
-Ya VB Pesce would be good for you. That STL package is interesting good idea. Nylander in STL would be nice for them. A team I'm thinking will make a big push for Nylander is the LA Kings. Muzzin or Martinez plus a good prospect and or 1st maybe? Carolina, STL, LAK would be good fit and I think would be interested. Who else ya think maybe?



Lol @ Leafs17. And a Leafs fan brings up the Oilers in another post. How shocking. Nylander on Drais wing would be great. i would love that.
And it Seems I have to repeat myself about Leafs fans whining and bringing up the Oilers in every thread because it's constantly happening! You're just making my point my friend. 29 other teams may be interesting in Nylander, What do you think they would offer? Serious question, stay on topic here. Not trashing you at all just wondering what packages you think some of the other teams around the league would offer. Let's keep this thread to what kind of packages teams all around the league might offer for Nylander.

11 Nov 2018 18:40:33
Jim, Are you in board with Dubas just letting Nylander sit out a whole year if it comes to that? Do you think it's a smart decision if ultimately it comes down to that point? Simple question, no trashing, Oilers have nothing to do with this question.

11 Nov 2018 19:05:32
Yeah I do. Dubas is a rookie gm who gets to inherit a roster filled with talent but will be hard to manage all these players. He can’t let he first one push him around. He needs to let everyone know, regardless of his age and his experience at this level that he’s in charge. Players don’t call the shots until they are UFAs like Tavares. Nylander is arguably the 7th best player on the team (Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Rielly, Andersen and possibly Kadri), you don’t let the 6th or 7th best player on your team hold you hostage. If that’s allowed to happen, what will Matthews or marner want to do?

If dubas says we are trading him regardless, just to get this over with, No one is going to trade for Nylander without an extension, he doesn’t have to sign an extension anywhere he doesn’t want to and so Dubas would be rewarding Nylander for holding out by basically allowing him to turn himself into a UFA at 22. If he did that, that’s a huge fail. That’s a lot bigger fail than taking a long term approach to keeping control of your assets.

I don’t see how that doesn’t make sense. Players are RFAs for a reason, their rights are restricted, as a manager you use that to your advantage and if they don’t like it, they can sit and pout about it.

11 Nov 2018 22:42:33
Nowhere in league comparable value is there any reason whatsoever to pay Nylander a penny over $6.75 mill (call it $7mill with cap inflation) . We got first hand look last night, for like the 10th time, how much better Pastrnak is than him, and he’s towards the upper end ($6.67 mill) of all that group of skilled wingers leaving their ELCs (Ehlers 6, Gaudreau 6.75, Drouin 5.5, forsberg 6).

I would personally take Nylander over ehlers and Drouin in that group and not a chance over the other 3. So he should be in that range. If he wants to try and set a new bar for what a good winger is worth and wants 90% of kucherovs new deal (like being reported) then he can find someone who’s willing to do that and someone who is willing to give us a good return at the same time, or sit and get older in Sweden.

11 Nov 2018 23:55:16
I’d love to see him sit out the season.

12 Nov 2018 13:51:24
I wouldn’t love to see that, I’d rather see him signed reasonably or traded for proper value. But if none of those options are possible, it would look good on him to sit.

Hypothetically speaking, because no real numbers have been released and it’s all speculative, but say leafs have offfered $6.5 mill and he’s down to $7,5 mill. So they’re fighting over $1 million per year. Well if he’s willing to sit out the season for his beliefs, the same negotiation starts next year and he will have missed out on a whole $6.5 mill, more than they’re apart on a 6 year term lol I have to assume he’s getting bad advice by this point. It just doesn’t make sense. If a team was desperate for his services, I can see the leverage that an RFA can gain, but that’s not the case.

Another hypothetical, if it was Ekblad or Mcavoy or any young RHD free agent that we owned, they would have a lot more leverage and it would be far harder for Dubas to stay firm. But speed and offense is not our issue, it would always be nice to add more of that to any roster, but not at the cost he’s apparently asking.

12 Nov 2018 14:56:10
Obviously we could use Nylander in the line up or traded for some defensive help, but yes it would look real good on him to sit out.

12 Nov 2018 18:14:56
Could also see oilers interested Pulj, Bear and the 1st would probably be available Maybe Larsson, Klefbom And Bouchard probably not tho.

Dallas is looking for secondary scoring players like Tufte, Gurianov, Honka And Faska would be available I’m assuming then they’d add Picks.

Vegas is always in the running

Florida is interesting they aren’t afraid of making big moves and are useally low key. The Eklblad proposal was interesting but that feels like a offseason move.

LA obviously I’d ask for Kempe in any deal don’t really like their Dcore aside from Doughty and Voynov personally.

Arizona is not afraid to make big moves they have a young GM.

Anaheim is another one they’re struggling and they have a big trading history with the leafs.

12 Nov 2018 20:18:04
I like tha Anaheim one vbb’s. 30th in the league in goals for. Manson for Nylander straight up? Nylander is much younger so they should not have to add. Not sure if Anaheim could make it work salary wise though.

12 Nov 2018 22:24:11
Manson is the exact player I would want too except wish he was like 23-24 years old not 27 since Nylander is only 22. Although for a Dman, generally develop later, it could be argued they’re both nearing their own prime.

13 Nov 2018 04:24:00
Ya Jim I don’t think they get much more than a player like Manson. Cosain suggested on the other page, Manson, Ritchie and Steel. Leafs would have to add. I don’t think Steel is going anywhere but if taking Ritchie’s contract would make the salary work, leafs add a pick for sure.

13 Nov 2018 06:45:06
Sorry, Cosain said Montour not Manson.

11 Nov 2018 10:13:07
Elliott Friedman has reported than Dubas has asked teams to indicate what they would offer in exchange for Nylander as they engage in trade talks.

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10 Nov 2018 20:12:27
Mtl: Fleury

Chicago: Saad

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