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14 Feb 2018 17:01:14
What about this trade in the summer?
Oilers: Lucic (5years x 6m)
Send: Ryan (4 Years x 7m)
Lucic is more durable and physical, but Ryan if healthy could fit well on McDavid’s wing. That way too, Oilers could bring back maroon. There is no room for both maroon and Lucic on the oilers. Maroon will be cheaper and could play with McDavid. Sens save a 1 m. Sens seem like they want to save as much money as possible to resign karlson and save money for the owner.

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14 Feb 2018 17:26:51
Actually pretty interesting. Not sure on all the NTC/ NMC and stuff. Also not sure on Senators use or want for lucic but if they’re blowing it up and going really young he could be good for leadership and protection while a new core Linda takes over.

Ryan isn’t a fast player to keep up with mcdavid on the rush for sure, but once mcdavid gets the zone and the skill takes over from speed, Ryan is definitely skilled enough.

Haven’t seen a Ryan or lucic deal that made much sense before, so good post for sure.

14 Feb 2018 17:28:38
Not a horrible suggestion, but it's Edmonton that's skirting the cap, so Ottawa retention would be needed to make the deal work.

The big hurdle would be both players have some kind of NTC and Lucic has a buyout proof contract that could hinder Ottawa's decision to attain his services.

14 Feb 2018 18:05:27
Umm let's be real now no ottawa doesn't because he has a year less.

14 Feb 2018 18:38:15
Horrible trade.

14 Feb 2018 19:29:08
Horrible for what team? And why?

14 Feb 2018 23:15:23
That would be lit.

14 Feb 2018 23:16:26
And this isn’t horrible by all means.

15 Feb 2018 15:42:46
for Ottawa. Lucic will leave after this year because he wants to end his career in the west. SO Ottawa would lose Ryan for nothing. It's not always about the $.

15 Feb 2018 16:46:05
I'd want Lucic to defend my team instead . lol.

15 Feb 2018 17:02:14
IMO, wouldn't you want someone who will stay on with the organization. I know one of the Sens goals is to offload some big salaries but I think this is a bit different.

15 Feb 2018 20:28:11
With ryans contract going up to 7.5 in the last 4 years, 30 million still remains
Lucic 5 years left goes down. 7,6,4,5,4 i believe leaving 26 million left on his deal and an extra year
Tbh with melnyk giving dorion the okay to cut salary wherever he can, i see this as something the senators would have to consider at this point.

15 Feb 2018 20:46:23
Hawks25, if this is true then i agree with you 100%. Where are you hearing this? The lucic demands?

16 Feb 2018 17:57:10
Not sure. I thought I heard a commentator mention that when he was traded to EDM. I could be wrong though. I don't hate Lucic except for playing against him . what a beast. You guys could be right. Maybe I would hate Ottawa lose both if this would happen. That's what I meant originally. Thanks for your opinions.

17 Feb 2018 09:40:06
Boro. lucic. macormick. harpur. that would be an intimidating team to play against.

I also see lucic benefiting from bouchers systen. i like this trade.

14 Feb 2018 15:24:43
DET Gets:

James van Riemsdyk
Nikita Soshnikov
Andreas Borgman
2018 2nd Round Pick (SJ Pick)

TOR Gets:

Mike Green
2019 6th Round Pick


DET Gets:

2018 5th Round Pick
2019 3rd Round Pick

NYI Gets:

Petr Mrazek


DET Gets:

Jack Dougherty
2018 3rd Round Pick

NSH Gets:

Tomas Tatar

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14 Feb 2018 15:44:31
why would leafs do that.

14 Feb 2018 16:19:15
JVR is of no value to a team not destined for the playoffs. Why would Detroit do that?

14 Feb 2018 17:06:14
That leafs/ wings one is terrible for both teams lol leafs lose a 30 goal man, a depth forward and a physical depth Dman plus a second rounder right before a playoff run, and wings get a UFA forward as the best piece coming back? For what? To score 10 goals in 25 games and give them a worse chance at a good draft pick?!

14 Feb 2018 17:06:44
Poor JVR. And why the heck would Detriot want a UFA?

14 Feb 2018 10:39:11
#1

Calgary Flames acquire -
(RW) Sam Reinhart

Buffalo Sabres acquire -
(C) Sam Bennett
(2018) 3rd Round Pick

#2

Calgary Flames acquire -
(LW) Mike Hoffman

Ottawa Senators acquire -
(LD) Rasmus Andersson
(C) Adam Ruzicka
(2019) 2nd Round Pick

Projected Lineup

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - M Ferland
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - M Frolik
M Hoffman - M Jankowski - S Reinhart
R Lomberg - C Lazar - G Hathaway

M Giordano - D Hamilton
T Brodie - T Hamonic
B Kulak - M Stone

Deadline Plans: Dump Brouwer + Prospect/Pick, Matt Stajan (Retained) to Contender.

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14 Feb 2018 11:11:37
First of all you don't acquire F
Hoffman to play third line. Second of all that return won't come clost to get him. Anderson I imagine Ottawa would want. But the pick has to be a first imo. Third of all Bennett is a bust while Reinhart is not even tho some players picked behind him have putstated him. Still worth a 3 times more the Benett who let's admit really sucks. Overall terrible post.

14 Feb 2018 11:22:27
No from BUF and OTT.

14 Feb 2018 16:24:37
Trade 1 is close, think a little more from Calgary is needed though to make this one a go.

2nd trade is not even in the ballpark to get Hoffman's services.

14 Feb 2018 23:00:37
Are we quick to write off a 21 year old. Bennett is not a bust yet.

15 Feb 2018 05:24:16
@DonCherry. I always think the same thing. Ppl on here call any first round pick that isn’t scoring 20goals by 20 years old a bust. Unless of course they play for their own favourite team, then they’re trying to trade 23 year olds, calling them ‘practically a 1st rounder’ because he was picked 15th 5 drafts ago haha

I wouldn’t say Bennett is for sure a bust yet, but I would think he has shown a little more than Reinhart that his ceiling may be lower offensively than originally expected, so I would want an add for sure if I’m buffalo.

Bennett to me kind of reminds me of Kadri. He was a top pick, expected to be an offensive star and had tons of skill and a bit of a mean streak at times. but was also at times nearly written off in Toronto. Rather than a change of scenery, he got a fresh voice in Babcock who convinced him to change his game but it took till he was 25. Now he’s playing the best defensively he’s ever played and ironically putting up great offensive numbers too. Bennett has lots of time to become a really good NHLer, just needs patience and the right voices.

14 Feb 2018 10:31:43
So if Brassard is being shipped, and Pittsburgh a likely destination

OTT: Brassard, Condon
PIT: Jarry, 2nd 2018, Hagelin,2nd 2019

Sens address goaltending issue, send Condon back, get additional second for taking the Hagelin contract.

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14 Feb 2018 13:40:42
I like this one, not bad. PIT might need to add a little though if they want to dump Hagelin's contract.

14 Feb 2018 18:43:17
I can see this without the 2018 2nd though.

14 Feb 2018 08:01:05
STARS: Tanev, Vanek, goldobin, 3rd

CANUCKS: Honka, 1st

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14 Feb 2018 10:15:30
Add in Heiskanen and it’s fair.

14 Feb 2018 12:53:02
Add in Heiskanen? You're kidding right?

14 Feb 2018 15:45:32
lolllllllll dream on.

14 Feb 2018 23:01:51
Although the original post is not a good proposal, Heiskanen would not be part of a trade for Tanev.

15 Feb 2018 17:12:32
Take out first at heiskanen.

14 Feb 2018 05:03:33
Mtl trades Pacioretty(50%). 2018 2nd, 2018 4th.

nashville trades - eeli tolvanen, dante fabbro.

before anyone starts saying anything. pacioretty isn't a rental and he's on really good contract and mtl are keeping 50% of his contract and remember everyone what hanzal got 1st, 2nd, 4th.


then Mtl trades plekanec(50%), 2018 4th.

penguins trades 2018 2nd.


then Mtl drafts Tkachuk


Galchenyuk-Drouin-Sherback
Tolvanen-Tkachuck-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Danault-Byron
Deslauriers-Shaw-Hudon

Mete-Weber
Alzner-Petry
schlemko-fabbro

Benn

Price
lindgren

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14 Feb 2018 05:18:44
Consider Nashville probably wants to go in I can see this trade but that is one steep price, so I also don’t see them making this.

14 Feb 2018 07:55:26
Nashville has got a young core so I can see them willing to give up 2 young promising pieces for a guy that has scored 30 plus goals the last few years.

14 Feb 2018 10:46:41
Both are top prospects, Habs would be lucky to get one of them, no chance they get both.

14 Feb 2018 13:14:25
If not gets both does guys for Patches that's a steal imo. But realisticly one of those prospect and a second or B prospect is fair. They are both A level prospect such is equal to a top rental but since Patches has another year left the second or B prsopect males it even I believe.

14 Feb 2018 15:47:12
the reasoning is that our 2018 second is almost like a late first, would it be more fair to add a 3rd on that which is close to a second.

14 Feb 2018 15:50:20
i remember when sherback wasn't a good skater now he's hella fast and and an amazing skater so vilardi will prob learn.

14 Feb 2018 16:07:56
Retaining 50% on patches ups his value so realistically he should get those 2 A prospects no problem. Imagine a 30 goal scorer for less than 2.5 million, not bad.

14 Feb 2018 18:52:24
I wouldn't give yo Tolvonen alone for Patches let alone adding Fabbro. Think of the age gap. Ten or so years of Tolvonen or one year of Patches. I'm going with Tolvo.

15 Feb 2018 22:08:57
U wouldn't trade tolvanen straight up for pacioretty?

Might wanna get that checked.

16 Feb 2018 01:07:24
I agree with yup, nashville definitely shouldn't trade tolvanen for a year and a half of old patches that they don't need.

16 Feb 2018 03:04:26
This is brutal for nashville. Maybe if Pacioretty was scoring like a 30 goal scorer would this make sense. but even still. Nashville top 2 prospects for one year of a a guy slumping is a huge no from the preds.
1St2018, 2nd 2019 plus aberg for pacioretty.

14 Feb 2018 03:02:30
Habs trade: Max Pacioretty (50% retained) Michael McNiven and 2019 5th and 6th round picks
LA trades: Adrian kempe, Gabriel Vilardi, 2018 3rd round pick and a conditional 2020 2nd round (if patches resigns with LA)

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14 Feb 2018 04:22:43
imo a fair trade : pacioretty (50%), joni ikonen, 2018 4th.

for Vilardi, 2018 3rd.

TBH Vilardi is a top prospect.

14 Feb 2018 04:08:48
lol i wish.

14 Feb 2018 05:19:58
Vilardi can’t skate.

14 Feb 2018 07:57:03
Can’t you teach a player to skate? That’s what bo horvats weakness was when he got drafted but he’s improved a lot since then. IMO skating can still be taught but shooting and hands can’t be and his skating can be improved through lessons.

14 Feb 2018 12:45:09
Yeah, lots of players are drafted as weak skaters and have it worked on. For him to be ranked and picked as high as he was, scouts, coaches and gms must believe he will become a lot better skater.

13 Feb 2018 16:46:48
Not mine, just saw these and thought I would see what you guys think.

BUF:
E. Kane

STL:
1st 2019
2nd 2018
C J. Kyrou
__________________________

NYR:
R. Nash

BOS:
1st 2018
D J. Zboril
__________________________

DET:
D. Mike Green

TOR:
1st 2018
RW J. Leivo
D A. Borgman
__________________________

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13 Feb 2018 18:39:49
Sorry to burst your bubble. Darmstrong Stated he is not trading his top Prospects (Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, ) Top rookies (Dunn, Thompson), Top draft picks (2018 2nd, 2019 1st) or Fabbri for a rental type deal.

Also out of all the guys that have been rumored to the blues. I would think Kane would be the least palatable player with his locker room BS, On ice BS and Personal BS. Besides the fact that he is cold as poo right now.

13 Feb 2018 18:42:45
If toronto wants Mike for that price I am down with it. Good deep draft this year Hopefully Kenny H and his team don't f this draft up plenty of good potential players. Hell I would be will to dump Nyquist, tatar, and a few others for as many picks in the top 93 picks this year.

13 Feb 2018 18:44:59
I can actually see all of them happening. not sure Green is what the Leafs need? I think they need more of a tough hard noses Dman. they have skill in Gardiner and Reilly. obviously Green wouldn't hurt em, but If Leafs could find an Intimidating Dman. (big hitter, crease clearer. ) . I think would help em out.

13 Feb 2018 19:16:55
If I were blues I’d hang up.
Leafs don’t need offense from the point, they need a real defender.
If I were Bruins I would be curious at that. I know where zboril was drafted but don’t know a lot more, so clearly depends how they view him. However that pick should be very late and the big heavy game bruins play could be a great fit for Nash. I think the east is as open as it has been in a long time for these playoffs and with the way they have been playing i think the Bruins should look to capitalize. Rask is playing the best he has in years, have one of, if not the best line the league and a lot of youth outperforming expectations. As a leaf fan, I don’t wanna see them get better. But if I were Sweeney, I’d be tempted for sure.

14 Feb 2018 00:44:45
Redwing, you saying old poo? Cause poo is fairly hot when it first comes out, clearify please.

14 Feb 2018 05:01:15
I'm sorry let's say cold as 5 week b old poo in Alberta on Christmas day.

14 Feb 2018 16:27:53
lol @ Colt, never change bud.

14 Feb 2018 16:31:51
#1 Acquiring Kane is a mistake. Too much trouble I would
never give that for a rental that's been nothing but
trouble his whole career.

#2 Overpayment for a rental, but Nash might have a bidding
war that nets this type of return in the end. You Could
be onto something with a realistic trade there.

#3 Looks like a good trade value wise, but I don't think the
leafs are in a cap position to take on Green's Salary
unless they move out another salary in another trade.

13 Feb 2018 11:23:09
Rumor that LA is interested in Phaneuf from Ottawa but don't want the salary. I think that Ottawa would trade Phaneuf for Gaborik+. I add the plus because phaneuf is still a decent dman that you can slot as a #4 guy or maybe a #3 guy.

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13 Feb 2018 16:06:09
Not bad. Obviously depends what the +is. Also gaboriks cap hit is only like 4.75 or something I thought. Phaneuf is 7, can kings absorb the extra?

I do remember the kings were one of the teams that the leafs had talked to about phaneuf before he went to Ottawa. I think the Dion/ sutter connection was talked about from Calgary days back then.

14 Feb 2018 04:41:33
Well pretty close lol sens retained 1.75 to even it out.

13 Feb 2018 06:32:04
Mtl/habs patch 3 rd pick

Tamapa bay tyler johnson

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13 Feb 2018 07:34:27
Bruh wtf.

13 Feb 2018 16:14:37
Makes no sense for habs. If they’re trading a really good goal scorer in his late 20s, why are they adding the pick and getting back a good C/ W with underwhelming #’s in the same age range? If they can’t get a package of picks and prospects, or a much younger C with Atleast an above average chance of becoming a first liner, they keep paccioretty.

13 Feb 2018 19:04:21
My guess would be because they have the same number of goals this year, so amazing goal scorer to underwhelming numbers seems like a bit of a stretch even taking into account who they play with. Johnson is 2 years younger, plays center, can anchor a pk unit and is signed long term. Not saying its a trade that would happen or its fair but that's likely the reasoning behind Montreal adding the pick.

13 Feb 2018 19:15:18
Cause johnson as 4 years left on his deal and is a much better overall player and a center.

13 Feb 2018 21:34:10
I didn’t mean it as a shot at Johnson. What I mean is that it’s not the type of deal habs would want at all. If they’re doing it for a player that much older than their target age (a centre for drouin to develop with) then I’d think it would have to be someone better than Johnson has been over the last cpl years. Patches is having a down year for sure, but Johnson had 2-3 down years after he set his career highs. I like his game, just don't see Habs wanting to add to their best player for a guy that while playing pretty well, is matching patches in a down year. Could be wrong tho.

13 Feb 2018 21:37:39
P. s I didn’t call patches “an amazing goal scorer” as you quoted me lol ovie is an amazing goal scorer. I said patches was a really good one which I stick by. Scoring between 30 and 40 every year is really good in the NHL.

14 Feb 2018 02:08:48
lol no from montreal.

14 Feb 2018 10:47:51
underwhelming numbers? Havent checked but fairly sure Johnson has better numbers this year than Patches, no?

14 Feb 2018 13:00:46
I’m not only talking about the last 50 last games lol read the whole post again. I said Johnson hasn’t been great since he set the bar really high. Has he played as well as patches this year, sure. But patches is having a bad year in his terms and Johnson put up 14g 24a ans then 19g26a in his last 2 seasons (while missing some games to be fair) but for a player that put up 72pts before that, and dominated the playoffs a few years ago, I call it underwhelming. 38 pts while missing 15 games is not 70+ pts. He’s on pace to be somewhere between his best and his last cpl seasons. I would not be happy if I was a habs fan and we traded our best player (not named price) and had to add assets to him to bring back a guy who has 4 years left, hasn’t been as productive as he should be in 2-3 years and has zero chance of being our long term big cente. He’s a good player, but if habs trade patches, they have to believe Atleast one piece is something they can build around. Don’t see Tyler Johnson as being any team in the leagues centrepiece.

14 Feb 2018 14:33:45
And I was going off brocks info that he was signed for 4 more years. He’s actually signed for 6 more after this year. Tampa will need to move that contract soon probably anyway and won’t get full value down the road. It’s not a bad cap hit at all but his $5 mill will be needed for kucherov and vasilevskiys massive raises.

14 Feb 2018 17:23:31
I haven't heard one thing from brock that's been accurate ever.

 


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