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20 Feb 2024 13:26:15
NSH - Juuse Saros and Yakov Trenin
CAR - Martin Necas, Pyotr Kochetkov and 2024 1st



“The Juuse Saros trade situation could be more serious than believed and he could actually be moved.”
(via Michael Gallagher)

“The Hurricanes, Kings and Devils have been linked to Juuse Saros ahead of the deadline.”
(via Michael Gallagher)

“Martin Necas may be a player that the Nashville Predators are interested in.”
(via Elliotte Friedman)

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21 Feb 2024 13:15:55
I like the idea but I think it’s to much from Carolina think you could drop the 1st. Goalies aren’t worth much in trade.

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21 Feb 2024 14:33:10
I could see something like this happening. Saros will draw a healthy return if Trotz pulls the trigger on a trade, and CAR is reportedly in the mix for him.

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20 Feb 2024 13:17:12
Minnesota Trades
Fleury
Hartman
Bogosian

Toronto Trades
Samsonov
NRobertson
Holmberg
Liljegren
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)

Considering no retention of Salary and Fleury and Bogosian are upcoming UFAs a 3rd Rounder is fair in this proposal.

Players involved makes sense for both teams imo.


Thoughts ?

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20 Feb 2024 18:13:20
- MIN is 2 points out of a wild card. why would they torpedo their playoff chances to generously help your team like this?

- Quantity doesn't equal quality.

- IF Fleury waives he will bring a better return than this yard sale. If he were to waive it would be to go somewhere to have a much better shot at winning than what's available with the leafs.

- Hartman is already re-signed when his contract runs out this summer for a very reasonable 4M x 3 years. That's a high-value fit for MIN & Hartman.

- In short, your trades focus on leaf needs, and lack any consideration of what the other team needs.

- The fact that Robertson & Liljegren appear so frequently in your trade offers show that you don't regard them very highly either, yet you continue to include them with your one-sided trade proposals. Neither is a meaningful piece.

- Samsonov is a cap dump. Cap dumps require compensation to take them on. Is he an NHL goalie next year? My guess is he's in the KHL.

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20 Feb 2024 19:44:15
Chickenfoot
NRobertson and Liljegren are 2 reasonable NHL Players that a lot of teams would want on their team, Leafs are still in a win now mode is why they would be added in potential deals, What I proposed isn't really one-sided at all.
Bogosian on an expiring contract was earlier this season traded by TB to Minny for a 7th Round Pick, you don't think Liljegren is an upgrade?
NRobertson and Holmberg for Hartman is about right, which leaves Samsonov and a 3rd Rounder for Fleury which again is about right when it's Liljegren for Bogosian.
I guess I should have made it Matthews, WNylander, Rielly, Samsonov and a 3rd for Fleury, Hartman and Bogosian to make it fair in your eyes.

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20 Feb 2024 22:11:23
Chickenfoot
Want to add Samsonov isn't a cap dump as he is 7-2 since he had his setback with a shutout and a very respectful Goals Against Avg.
Kampf and or Reaves are cap dumps not Samsonov.

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21 Feb 2024 04:18:48
- how many times per week do you include Robertson and/ or Lilly in trade proposals? If you don’t want them then why would another team?

- Samsonov is a cap dump, and everyone knows the leafs need goaltending. Help won’t come cheap at the deadline.

- Pay attention to what kinds of returns happen at the deadline, and then compare them to your one-sided proposals throughout the year. The value you put on your players is not realistic, and that will be evident with whatever deals happen or don’t happen at the deadline.

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21 Feb 2024 17:01:17
We need to hold onto the only right handed dman we do have. Lily isn't going to be a top dman ever, but he could be a decent top 4 if he continues to round out his game, but most likely going to be a very solid bottom pair dman. And that's okay as long as we don't overpay him.

Are we in win now mode? Sure. Is this the year to push all the chips to the center and try and win it all? Absolutely not. Our goaltending is still questionable (yes Samsonov has been playing decent hockey, but he has also looked very shakey at times too) .

Robertson has shown he's likely going to be a 3rd line player who can score some goals and that's about that. He's not going to be the piece that makes a big trade happen.

We shouldn't be in a rush to deal Holmberg as he's going to likely be a key bottom player for us since we won't be working with a tonne of money. He's got NHL experience and can play that 4th line role well.

As for the Minny players coming back. Hartman would be a great add for any team, but Minny gave him the extension for a reason so they likely aren't looking to unload him this year or next unless things go sideways. Fleury would be a good add as well, but again Minny is still in the playoff hunt. Do they get rid of a goalie who has playoff experience and still plays an overall good game? I doubt it. And finally Bogosian who yes a serviceable player as well, but is he what the Leafs need? I personally would rather us add a more mobile defenseman who plays a good all around defensive game in our end. Also don't think Bogosian really would want to come back to TO.

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22 Feb 2024 16:01:03
Kudos to MG for his consistently realistic and pragmatic view of his team, the league, and the value of various assets.

No one hates the leafs Pinball, but your trades are almost as unrealistic as the leaf fan who posts under the Habs-themed name.

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20 Feb 2024 11:06:31
To Tor - Saros, Carrier, Novak

To Nashville - Marner

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20 Feb 2024 18:19:52
Quiet Guy makes a loud statement with this clever proposal! The leafs would be much better served by this package than what Marner brings.

Thumbs up QG.

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19 Feb 2024 15:03:34
Frank Vatrano@50% retained
Radko Gudas
to Bruins for:

Debrusk
Shattenkirk

2024 5th
2025 3rd

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20 Feb 2024 02:03:27
Vatrano is better than DeBrusk and Gudas is better than Shattenkirk. Not to mention DeBrusk and Shattenkirk are both UFAs, it's gonna take more than a 3rd and a 5th.

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20 Feb 2024 18:20:54
Casual nailed it.

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19 Feb 2024 13:33:56
MIN - Jake Middleton, Patrick Maroon and 2024 2nd
TOR - Tyler Bertuzzi


Minnesota acquires Bertuzzi in hopes of resigning him long-term. Leafs grab a decent defensemen, winning veteran bottom 6 forward, a draft pick and frees up 2.25M in cap space for more potential moves.

Middleton - 2.45M @ 2 UFA
Maroon - 800K @ 1 UFA
Bertuzzi - 5.5M @ 1 UFA



Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Max Domi - John Tavares - William Nylander
Bobby McMann - Calle Jarnkrok - Nicholas Robertson
Ryan Reaves - David Kampf - Patrick Maroon

Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Jake Middleton - Jake McCabe
Simon Benoit - Timothy Liljegren

Ilya Samsonov
Joseph Woll


Just wanted to post something new

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19 Feb 2024 14:27:40
Seems fair but I don't think Bertuzzi will waive for a non contending team.

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19 Feb 2024 14:44:44
So the leafs get:

- the best player in the trade (Middleton), who is under contract for the coming year at a very reasonable cap hit. (A D-man with almost identical offensive stats as Bert. )

- 2.25M in cap relief…which is absolutely huge.

- a proven winner in Maroon who would be an instant heart transplant for the leafs at playoff time.

- on top of all this, they get a 2nd too?


MIN gets:

- a head case they could sign as a UFA next season if they really wanted him. (And they won’t because they won’t be able to afford him with their crushing buyout penalties. )

- less depth for a team only 4 points out of a wild card?


I can’t imagine any scenario where Billy G would consider such a move. There’s absolutely no reason for him to do this to his team.

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19 Feb 2024 15:11:10
Maroon is out 4-6 weeks just sayin ;)

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20 Feb 2024 02:04:54
I think you're right, just throwing new trade ideas out instead of posting the same old stuff @chickenfoot.

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20 Feb 2024 16:10:07
Would love to acquire a guy like Middleton. He would round out the defense without breaking the bank in terms of cap hit. I'd imagine to get him though you're looking at parting with a 1st, 2nd, and one of Minten or Cowen, plus a player to make the cap work (Kampf) . Big price, but got to pay to play.

I know Bert personally (grew up playing hockey against him and with him on occasion) and he really isn't a headcase just to make that known. He had a good stint with Boston and got paid. I'm sure we all would take advantage of a nice pay increase if it allowed. As for his performance I couldn't tell yah why it hasn't seemed to click or work in Toronto. If the Leafs trade him to a playoff team I would imagine he would waive, but maybe not seeing as his family just welcomed a new addition and likely doesn't want to be relocating. Hopefully it turns around for him though and we get some production down the stretch and into the playoffs from him.

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20 Feb 2024 18:30:18
Bertuzzi let his team down when he remained the last anti-vax holdout in the NHL. He let his team mates down by missing all Canadian games when his team was in the hunt for a playoff position, and this hurt his trade value as well.

He has the tools to be great, but not the mindset. He scored 30 two years ago, followed by 2 years in single digits. He's on his 3rd team in two years, and the leafs only signed him for one year on a "prove it deal". Call it "mindset" if you prefer, but clearly he leaves his potential unfulfilled for a variety of reasons, and this year did nothing to improve his UFA salary negotiations.

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19 Feb 2024 05:10:54
CGY - Chris Tanev
EDM - 2024 1st, 2025 5th and Philip Broberg

Chris Tanev comes with an 3 year extension and 50% retention on current contract. Price is slightly higher due to dealing with a division rival.
Let’s say the next contract is about 3M @ 3 UFA with a NMC

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19 Feb 2024 10:17:53
Tanev has provided offense at a 1% rate above league average and defense at a staggering 19% above league average.
OZ Impact - 1%
DZ Impact - 18%
Compared to Oilers Defense :
Bouchard | OZ 2% | DZ 5%
Ekholm | OZ 5% | DZ 6%
Nurse | OZ -4% | DZ 3%
Ceci | OZ 0% | DZ -5%
Kulak | OZ 4% | DZ 2%
Desharnhais | OZ -7% | DZ 9%
(via hockeyviz)

Hanifin-Tanev
| 652.7 Mins | 49 GP | 52.5% xGoals % | 27.2 xGoals For | 24.6 xGoals Against | 2.5 xGoals For Per 60 Mins | 2.26 xGoals Against Per 60 Mins
(via moneypuck)

Tanev 92% WAR %
EV Offense 55% | EV Defense 99% | Finishing 59% | Goals 18% | 1st Assists 41% | Penalties 67% | Competition 83% | Teammates 83%
(via jfresh)

2020-21 | 56GP | 2G | 10A | 12Pts | 6PIM | +15 +/-
2021-22 | 82GP | 6G | 22A | 28Pts | 22PIM | +35 +/-
2022-23 | 65GP | 1G | 12A | 13Pts | 21PIM | +7 +/-
2023-24 | 52GP | 1G | 11A | 12Pts | 10PIM | +10 +/-
(via hockeydb)

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20 Feb 2024 18:42:37
Seems crazy that those numbers show Bouchard as only 1% better than Tanev at offense. Can’t say I agree with that.

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21 Feb 2024 02:07:55
@Ebsolutely Oilersnation posted it
Article - “The Oilers are reportedly ‘making a push’ for Flames defenceman Chris Tanev.”

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21 Feb 2024 16:20:16
@Ebsolutely got to remember a lot of Bouchard's points don't come from the OZ, they come from that initial pass out of the DZ.

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21 Feb 2024 18:26:59
Okay didn’t realize that’s how it’s tracked, makes sense. Still 14 goals vs. 12 points total makes me think these stats aren’t to be fully trusted.

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23 Feb 2024 01:46:04
Completely unrealisric. Taney is way too injury prone and is nothing but a rental. It would need multiple teams to complete this trade and really. Taney is only better than Desardais on the Oilers roster.
Trade would need to be Tanev 50% retained to team 1, Taney to team 2 50% retained, Taney to edm. Desaedais & 2nd to Calgary, 3rd to team 1, 4th to team 2.

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18 Feb 2024 17:02:52
Chris Tanav to oilers

Calgary receive Phillip Broberg Dylan hollaway and 1 2024

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18 Feb 2024 19:39:14
Funny that's the offer given for parayko. Seems dumb.

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18 Feb 2024 21:58:05
That’s ridiculous.

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19 Feb 2024 03:26:23
Or tanav to oilers for Holloway or broberg and a conditional 2 if oilers make western conference final then Calgary gets 1st
That better

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19 Feb 2024 05:12:33
I sure wouldn't pay that much for Tanev.

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19 Feb 2024 05:37:52
- Holland let it be known recently that Broberg won’t be moved for a rental.

- Broberg, Holloway, and a 1st for Tanev is absolutely ridiculous. That kind of post lacks credibility and is just plain embarrassing.

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18 Feb 2024 16:17:16
Ottawa Trades
Tarasenko*
Chychrun
Hamonic

Toronto Trades
Jarnkrok
Brodie+
Timmons
Minton (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)


*Ottawa retains 50% of Tarasenko's expiring contract.

+Brodie has to waive his NTC.


Ottawa still rebuilding would get Picks, a prospect, a younger offensive Defenceman, a serviceable winger and Brodie is the Cap bridge needed for Toronto.

Toronto fixes both a top 6 at forward plus 2 Defencemen that would help huge for at least this season and next.



Thoughts ?

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19 Feb 2024 05:13:49
Need to add Knies and more to that. No from Ottawa.

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19 Feb 2024 05:51:05
This one is neither cap nor roster compliant, and has all the trappings of a Pinball homer deal that heavily favours the leafs and ignores what their proposed trade partner might want or need.

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19 Feb 2024 06:04:48
That's really bad tarasenk is worth a 1st b prospect at 50.
Chcyrun is worth 1st top prosect 2nd.
Hamon8c is worth 3rd.


So you are way, way off.

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28 Feb 2024 03:00:31
Lmfao go to bed lol.

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18 Feb 2024 16:09:47
PIT - Marcus Pettersson
TOR - Tyler Bertuzzi


Leafs need defense and Penguins need a forward.
Pettersson (27) - 4M @ 2 UFA
Bertuzzi (28) - 5.5M @ 1 UFA

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18 Feb 2024 21:58:41
No interest in Petterson at any price.

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18 Feb 2024 21:59:02
Also leaf’s need a RHD not a LHD.

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18 Feb 2024 16:04:42
STL - Colton Parayko, Pavel Buchnevich and 2024 1st
TOR - Mitch Marner


Marner - 10.9M @ 2 UFA
Parayko - 6.5M @ 7 UFA
Buchnevich - 5.8M @ 2 UFA

Toronto replaces Marner with a cheaper winger, adds a RHD to their blueline and acquires acquired a draft pick to make more potential moves with. St Louis lacks star power and it could be enticing to add a big name player like Marner to their team.

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18 Feb 2024 21:59:28
Ownership won’t allow a Marner trade.

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19 Feb 2024 05:14:54
Who is gonna set up boy wonder (34)

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18 Feb 2024 15:58:12
Tampa needs a defensemen to replace Sergachev and they have a history with David Savard. Maybe there could be a potential reunion?

TBL - 2025 2nd and 2024 5th
MTL - David Savard


Tampa has around 7.50M to make improvements throughout their lineup and I think Savard at 3.5M would make him an extremely attractive asset to any team. They would still have enough cap to make more potential moves.

I’m basing the value comparison to the Nikita Zadorov to VAN trade.

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18 Feb 2024 18:44:24
I'd make Tanpa pay a little more. Do they have a 2024 1st? That's what I'd want for Big Play Dave .

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19 Feb 2024 05:54:02
Savard would be a great add for anyone, but with Sergachev out now, they need a speedier D to pick up the slack.

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20 Feb 2024 16:17:18
Unsure what Tampa's prospect pool looks like, but with Sergachev out a player like Chychrun or Hanifin would be ideal targets if they are wanting to add a higher end dman. With Chychrun you get some term as well. But again idk what the prospect pool looks like for Tampa or if they have the draft capital to make a deal happen.

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20 Feb 2024 18:33:11
MG: I completely agree on Chychrun. Before the Sergachev injury I thought Savard was certainly on Tampa's radar. However, Chychrun has the wheels AND the skill, and Tampa doesn't have the trade pieces for both. (I posted a Chychrun to Tampa trade recently and I personally think he'll end up there. )

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21 Feb 2024 12:37:36
@Chickenfoot had to go back quite a ways to find it. Unsure of Howard's overall value. I feel like he may be someone they want to hold onto. He definitely would need to be included in a Chychrun deal, but maybe they look at Hanifin who would likely cost less assets. Curious how it will play out for sure.

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