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16 Jul 2019 08:29:44
To TOR:
Jack Campbell
2021 4th Round Pick

To LAK:
Garret Sparks
2021 3rd Round Pick

LAK has Petersen in the minors who I think they'd prefer to play in the NHL this year and so, Campbell would be on his way out to make space and Sparks would go to them and run their AHL team.

Campbell would come to TOR and help take a good amount of pressure off Andersen.

Since both goalies are on just 1-year deals but Campbell is the better goalie, TOR sends a 3rd and LAK sends a 4th; any decent draft picks are of use to LAK in their current form.

Thoughts?

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16 Jul 2019 11:41:39
I posted a similar trade a while back to be cut to pieces.
I had FGauthier and Sparks to the Kings for JCampbell.
Let's see your responses.

16 Jul 2019 17:56:56
The upgrade from sparks to Campbell is more than the difference of the picks.
Campbell for sparks and a 2nd.

16 Jul 2019 19:53:49
Jack Campbell has played a total of 38 NHL Games, what has he done to prove any more worth?

16 Jul 2019 20:20:49
NHL games don’t matter pinball, it’s the same reason Gusev is treated as a god on this site despite never setting foot on NHL ice.

16 Jul 2019 21:49:25
Jones played 34 when he got traded for a 1st.

16 Jul 2019 23:19:25
In 31 games campbell had 2.30 gaa, and. 928 sv% that's a pretty good season sitting behind l. a.

In 20 games, sparks had 3.11 gaa and .902 sv%.

It's a small sample size, but a big enough one to compare the 2 and judge campbell to be more valuable.

17 Jul 2019 04:49:41
No need to do head to head comparisons. Anyone who has seen Sparks play knows he is garbage. I could see Leafs make a trade for a backup no problem. I’m surprised they haven’t dumped Sparks already actually.

17 Jul 2019 19:31:16
is pinball and justaleafsfan the same person? weird how they both post awful trades and then put "thoughts? " at the end.

16 Jul 2019 01:44:38
Toronto:Marner

Ana:Rakell,Lindholm,conditional 1rd2020,Kase





Base of previous trade that I thought was good but maybe could use a tiny but of mods. Condition is if Marner doesn't get 90 points this year the first becomes a second

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16 Jul 2019 07:54:22
Marner certainly doesn't get all this. Rakell is a v good replacement on a superb contract to begin with. Lindholm is a top pairing D. Kase is a Top 6er and that 1st could easily be a top 5 pick.
You're insane if you think 12M-Marner will get all that.

16 Jul 2019 08:58:30
Biiiig no from anaheim c'mon man

16 Jul 2019 13:55:21
Terrible for Anaheim.

16 Jul 2019 14:17:10
Take out case and make the conditions 120 points I’m pretty confident he can put up 120 points next Season.

16 Jul 2019 17:59:28
I would take out case and just make the first a second.

Anaheim still has to negotiate a contract, and lindholm has a lot of value.

17 Jul 2019 04:51:56
Marner is a valuable player, but he’s not THATT valuable. If Leafs could get a return like this for MArner, their biggest problem would be fitting all these guys in under cap.

16 Jul 2019 00:19:10
I'm going to attempt to make a 100% fair Mitch Marner Trade obviously there is a lot of leaf hate on this site so hopefully the more reasonable fans will agree with this.

Toronto: Mitch Marner, Timothy Lilijgren And 2nd round pick 2020

Islanders: Noah Dobson, Oliver Wahlstrom And 1st 2020

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16 Jul 2019 00:43:49
Not bad.

16 Jul 2019 00:51:26
Honestly not bad, I like it. It would be an all in move for NYI.

16 Jul 2019 00:59:20
No from Toronto imo, I feel like Toronto would want at least 1 proven solid impact player for Marner. Value wise, Marner might also get a little more.

16 Jul 2019 01:19:38
I was thinking of Toronto adding something of lesser value and the Islanders adding Peltch but I’m not sure.

16 Jul 2019 02:01:14
Can't believe I am saying this but I agree with Mantha. If the Leafs trade Marner there have to be players involved who help now.

16 Jul 2019 04:14:43
A huge part of this deal is the leafs don't take back any cap for this season unless Dobson makes the team and even then it's less then a million. Dobson looks to be a very near future top pair wahlstrom is a solid prospect as well. it solves the leafs cap issue and they get back two future players and a 1st. It's close.

16 Jul 2019 11:23:53
Maybe Habby, but imo, if u trade a guy like Marner and only get maybes for him, you just lost the trade.

16 Jul 2019 14:15:12
Dobson is not a Maybe imo he’s a sure thing.

17 Jul 2019 04:32:16
IIsnders can’t afford to do this without dumping salary.

15 Jul 2019 23:33:17
Toronto sends Marner and Liljegren and a pick to Anaheim for Manson, Rakell and Kase.

Toronto's defense would be Reilly Manson
Muzzin Barrie
Dermott Ceci

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15 Jul 2019 23:50:38
I’d be really disappointed if this is what Toronto got i'd rather 4 1sts I love Rakels contract but he’s a huge down grade and Manson is a solid number 3 but he’s nothing special. I’d consider if it was Lindholm instead of Manson.

15 Jul 2019 23:51:21
Probably the best Marner proposal yet tho.

16 Jul 2019 00:24:46
Although Rakell is a downgrade he still is pretty good. Manson is the tough physical presence they need on defense and I think Kase could be a good 2nd liner one day.

16 Jul 2019 00:26:21
The 4 1sts won't help Toronto with there current lineup. By the time those players are ready to play if at all, Toronto's team will be very different. I would rather players than picks.

16 Jul 2019 00:48:28
Manson is a deffensman they need once Muzzin is gone the leafs will have no one physical on the backend what if the leafs added a 2nd and Anaheim added a 1st?

15 Jul 2019 22:29:15
Dallas:Honka, Faksa

Tor:Nylander,4rd2019

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15 Jul 2019 23:54:41
Nylander just changed his number on the leafs he’s staying. Honka will be a nice claim for a team who picks him up when Dallas sends him to the minors.

15 Jul 2019 21:58:15
To New Jersey: Jost, 1st 2020, Kamenev and 1st 2021 if Hall resign

To Colorado : Hall

Colorado will be competitive to win the cup and New Jersey will not lose Hall for nothing.

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15 Jul 2019 22:16:47
I think New Jersey is trying to make the playoffs this year I doubt they trade hall unless they are out of it at the deadline.

15 Jul 2019 19:04:58
Vancouver Canucks:

- Nick Paul {39P in 43GP AHL}

- Gabriel Gagne

Ottawa Senators:

- Brandon Sutter {3.5M for 2yrs}

- Olli Juolevi

==

Vancouver sheds a little bit of cap to help them sign Brock Boeser and Goldobin.

Ottawa lacks depth and veteran leadership on their centre depth and team in general. Sutter is still a good PK and 2-way centre. He brings lots of experience that should be good for the young locker room.

Vancouver adds size to their prospect pool as Nick Paul is 6'4 230lbs and Gagne is 6'5 215lbs.

Vancouver and Ottawa exchange disappointing prospects. Gagne was a 36h overall pick in 2015 and was one of the best PF in the draft. Juolevi's potential is much higher and he's younger so for a rebuilding team taking Sutter's contract is worth it.

Both teams win. Ottawa adds to their defence prospect pool and if Juolevi turns out to be even close to what he was projected, this is a steal for them. Canucks shed salary while also adding size.

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15 Jul 2019 20:55:13
No from Vancouver. As I’ve explained twice already, the Canucks are not in a cap crunch. We have 5 mil in cap space, when we trim our roster at the start of the year that will go to 7 mil, and when we put Roussel on LTIR we will have around 10-11. The Canucks are NOT in a cap crunch, we will NOT be overpaying to move out bad contracts, stop with these trash trades and do some research before posting.

15 Jul 2019 21:42:01
Why do people think LTIR solves all there cap problems? I’m thinking Canucks don’t make this trade but Sutter is a contract I’m sure they’d pay to dump.

15 Jul 2019 22:26:05
Gagne went to Toronto and went unqualified, he's an UFA rn. I don't think Vancouver would do this, they’d probably rather try and trade Schaller, Beagle, etc, lower cap hits so less moving cost.

15 Jul 2019 13:00:16
Buffalo Trades
SReinhart
Ristolainen
Cozens (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
Marner
Borgman (AHL)

Best fix to a Cap Space problem with a Star Player wanting more than a Team can give to stay under the Cap (Toronto) ?
Trade that Player (Marner) and get the most you can talent wise and get your Team under the Cap, yes Marner is the best Player in this Trade Proposal but if this Trade went down I do believe it would be one to talk about for years.

Thoughts ?

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15 Jul 2019 13:39:37
No from Buffalo, try Reinhart+ Risto for Marner and Lilijegreen.

15 Jul 2019 14:02:08
More Leaf hate from Mantha. Getting really dry.

15 Jul 2019 16:37:46
I don’t understand the point of these trades. Yeah Marner is better then Reinhart, but why sacrifice a guy who can play first line in Reinhart and a top 4 D in Risto for one dude who cap is going to be greater than both of theirs combined? It just seems like a backward move to me.

15 Jul 2019 17:12:22
Almost rather pay the 4 future firsts comp tbh.

15 Jul 2019 17:25:49
2 make this Trade Proposal even bigger and giving Buffalo a bit more, here is a new Proposal.

Buffalo Trades
Sheary
SReinhart
Ristolainen
Cozens (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
Marner
Hyman
Borgman (AHL)
3rd Round Pick 2020 (Ottawa's Pick)


Thoughts?

15 Jul 2019 18:10:17
Wait wait wait. You want them to give up Reinhart, Risto AND Cozens who they JUST DRAFTED at 7th AND. ANOTHER 1st for Marner? MARNER? Marner is NOT McDavid. Marner is NOT Kucherov. F*** off with these joke worthy over-evaluations. I’m not trying to be mean but Pinball, there is SERIOUSLY something wrong with your head, you are so far past delusional that I can’t even fathom it.

15 Jul 2019 18:41:13
Ok @Vertius would you rather have Eichel and Ristolainen or McDavid?
What I am getting at is Buffalo has Roster full of good players but besides Dahlin and Eichel is on the cusp of a Star Player they don't have one, what Marner brings to the Sabres is a Star Player who will get even better and he will make the Sabres better, Leafs to me have to make a move like this because having so many star players it just won't fit in the NHL Cap.
I am sure Dubas and the Leafs would hate having to do this but at the same time they really might have to.
I think it's a very fair proposal and my revised one gives more to the Sabres.

15 Jul 2019 19:08:38
@Pinball

Don't listen to Vertius. I don't think he has had a single comment where the agree outweighed the disagree. Not sure how the Admins even allowed that comment to go through tbh.

But yeah, think it's bad for Buffalo. Value wise it might be close but that doesn't mean Buffalo does it. One step forward two steps back. Reinhart is really starting to finally pan out and fit on the first line. Even though Risto is meh, he's still like their best defender (Dahlin is still only 19). Not to mention they were really high on Cozens. Cozens projects to be a highly, highly skilled PF.

15 Jul 2019 19:14:37
Pinball you’re asking for the moon for Marner. He would get a nice return for Toronto, but not what you’re expecting
1) Teams know Toronto is in cap trouble, they will look to take advantage not easily help them while taking worse players back
2) why would a team give up more value than 4 first round picks, if you’re asking for that much in return teams can just pay the compensation
3) they’re in the same division, the price will most likely be higher.

15 Jul 2019 19:52:44
@ProDepth think about it like this. Either way no Matter where he signs ( except maybe Tampa or Miami because of no income taxes ) he’s signing over 10.5 million ( 4 1st round picks ) anything below leafs easily match. So if Toronto decides to trade him they’ll 100% want more then the 4 1st round picks. Why? This is because they either resign him or a team sends an offersheet which there is a 90% chance leafs match or they trade for him which the price would be extremely high because that team gets to hand pick terms of contract and have guaranteed term control.

15 Jul 2019 20:57:06
@TyBa4

I I can’t remember ever seeing a trade proposal from you that wasn’t at least -10 on the agree/ disagree ratio. Your a clown with zero clue what you’re talking about.

15 Jul 2019 21:47:03
A team won’t pay more than the value of 4 1st IMO. It’s either Toronto doesn’t match and they get Marner for less or Toronto matches and forces cap problems. But no point in offering a sweet heart deal like Montreal and helping Toronto out.

15 Jul 2019 23:26:12
Vertius I almost sense anger and hostility in your response.
This is a fun sight where people think of Trade Proposals and post.
That's it, if you don't agree is one thing but to attack me without even knowing me is something different, not to defend myself but it's laughable if you really knew who I was to say there is something wrong with my head, on that note keep it clean towards others and have fun reading people's proposals.
I still believe it's a Trade Proposal that I believe could happen, we all saw Karlsson traded to SJ and being on an expiring contract and look how Ottawa got what they got, Sabres will be getting a 22yr old Star on a Team controlled contract so yes my Proposal isn't delusional as you would say, plus my second Proposal gives the Sabres more than my first.

15 Jul 2019 23:42:43
Hey vertius if you think this package is so good then give up Pettersson for it :) ( Marner definitely currently has atleast equal value to Pettersson right now and I’d take Pettersson over this ) Anyway Marner will not be traded to a division rival. Risto is the exact opposite deffensman that the leafs need. Just an all around terrible proposal.

Value wise I’d do

Toronto: Marner, Lilijgren And 2nd 2020

Buffalo: Rienhart, Middelstad and 1st 2020.

15 Jul 2019 05:08:29
EDM: Puuljajarvi, Russel, 2020 3rd
OTT: Smith, 2021 2nd

VAN: Eriksson, Goldobin, 2020 3rd
ottawa: boroweicki, 2020 4th.

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15 Jul 2019 06:29:54
Smith, 2nd = Russell, 3rd
Puljujarvi is a way overpayment.

15 Jul 2019 08:07:47
Ott can keep Borowiecki, otherwise it’s good.

17 Jul 2019 19:44:37
that's a hard no from ottawa on that vancouver trade.

15 Jul 2019 03:57:18
Toronto: Nylander

Jets:Roslovic,2rd 2019, Niku

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15 Jul 2019 05:13:04
The Jets don't need wingers, especially soft, overpaid ones.

15 Jul 2019 11:10:27
He’d be the 2C in Winnipeg but DetroitMantha is trolling.

15 Jul 2019 17:03:46
Nylander is way over paid for what he brings to his team, now. This could change if he rebounds and becomes a 70 point player. He's a winger not a center and until he can prove he can play at the center position the Jets wouldn't want to take on that contract for what this trade calls for.

15 Jul 2019 23:12:39
I'm not even a Leafs fan but can we just chill out on Nylander?

Dude has been a stud in every league he played in. Highest PPG % on his team while being 18 and playing in a league filled with men that have lots of NHL experience (14-15 Marlies) . He's a 20G 40A centre that's only just turned 23. Special teams specialist too.

 


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