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05 Dec 2018 17:00:34
Montreal acquire: Jake Gardiner(UFA)

Toronto acquire: Noah Juulsen(ELC)

Toronto gets cheap help on the right side for the time being for an expiring contract. Juulsen can eat minutes and kill penalties. Maybe a potential partner for Rielly if he proves himself. He won't put up eye popping numbers in terms of points but he can be a steady presence for Them. Montreal gets a left handed defenseman that can play with Weber and Weber can give him more freedom to play offense. Montreal has a better chance of resigning him in the offseason as they have more cap than Toronto. Montreal doesn't need help on the right side with petry and Weber and Brook in a year or two plus a plethora of third pairing dmen. Does Montreal add a pick to this?

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05 Dec 2018 17:44:13
This could potentially work but it would be a deadline deal so too early to talk about it yet. It would depend on how juulsen plays from now till then and what position montreal are in in the standings by then.

05 Dec 2018 18:49:13
If montreal wants to do that, Leafs should go for it. Gardiner is the better player, no doubt, but Juulsen is a damn good player and fills a need for us. Dubas probably won’t trade Gardiner though because he wants to have him on the team for long playoff run. Gardiner helps us with that, but is a shame to be losing all these high quality UFA’s and not bringing in futures. I mean, let’s face it, the only way Gardiner is the deciding factor in a series is for the other team.

05 Dec 2018 20:43:20
No from mtl julsen has to potential to be bettebetter then Gardiner and he's already as reliable in his own end maybe even more. He won't be a 50+ point defensemen like Gardiner but a more solid all around defensemen. Plus he's RHD wich makes him very valuable to us especially with Petey and Weber above 30 years old. We still need a LHD for the present but not a Gardiner type defensemen. More like what Karl Alzner used to be when he played for the Caps. A guy like Jonas Brodin.

05 Dec 2018 20:50:03
id rather keep juulsen, for a rental who expecting getting pay 7M a year who his hitting free market. too much of a risk for a good 2 way physical D. i'd rather work something around petry.

05 Dec 2018 21:00:32
Boom boom. I would disagree. Weber should have a partner that can excel offensively and play half decent defense. We are stuck with Weber and have Brook coming through the pipeline. Why shouldn’t we trade to our greatest position of need. A few years time and we will have Weber petry juulsen and Brook on the right side. Alzner was never a solution for the left side. I see this as a hockey trade that could have benefits for both teams.

05 Dec 2018 23:59:59
Weber is exactly the type of defenseman Gardiner needs to play with. I didn’t realize Juulsen was a 2 way, physical defenseman. Sounds good to me.

05 Dec 2018 23:20:43
When we signed Alzner he was the solution for are left side. Alzner at 24 years old was a really good defensive top 4 D. Unfortunately we got him past his prime and he's terrible now. We signed him thinking he was the solution tho that what I meant.

05 Dec 2018 23:40:59
Mtl should not trade Juulsen. Sign him to a 8 years 4.5 million contract st te end of the season.

05 Dec 2018 23:58:41
A few years time Petry will be a free agent and he will be old and ineffective. Just like Weber. Mtl needs to keep theyres best young RHD and I'm not sold on Brook yet needs to prove himself in th nhl.

06 Dec 2018 02:09:01
i'd do it from a toronto perspective, montreal on the other hand? euh depends on their mindset at the deadline, if they think they can be on the playoff side of the bubble i could see montreal taking the gamble.

06 Dec 2018 15:16:19
I would rather keep Juulsen and trade Petry. We need to think more toward the future and having Weber Juulsen on the right sounds good to me. Trade Petry to bring up the left side to a team looking to make a run at the playoffs. I always thought he would look good with the leafs.

07 Dec 2018 17:44:13
Montreal laughs at this. why trade a guy like juhlsen for an over paid guy coming up to free agency.

05 Dec 2018 16:18:21
New jersey will butcher

Montreal phoeling,mete,byron

Would new jersey consider?

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05 Dec 2018 17:14:16
Possibly yes but montreal wouldn't.

05 Dec 2018 23:21:05
Mtl would never do this in 100 years.

06 Dec 2018 02:10:32
would new jersey consider this? if they were offered this i'm sure they'd take this and run. the real question is why would montreal offer this?

06 Dec 2018 03:41:22
I would like this if it was Byron and like a late 2nd for butcher but this package is definitely way to much.

05 Dec 2018 09:53:47
Columbus Blue Jackets:

•) Sergei Bobrovsky

•) 6th Round Pick 2020

Pittsburgh Penguins:

•) Matt Murray

•) Bryan Rust

•) 3rd Round Pick 2020.

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04 Dec 2018 23:17:20
If Carolina falls out of a playoff position come Feburary:

Toronto Maple Leafs Acquire: Michael Ferland [LW- 1.75 Million x 1 Year] + Trevor van Riemsdyk [D - 1.15 Million x 2 Years (50% Salary Retention) ]

Carolina Hurricanes Acquire: 2019 1st Round Draft Selection + Joseph Woll [G - Unsigned] + 2020 5th Round Draft Selection.

Basically, Toronto acquires some depth on defence, to give Hainsey some nights off, and possibly Ozhiganov as well. Plus, if TVR is a 1.15 million, he helps with the cap crunch next year. Ferland is the big piece, and he helps with the lack of physicality on this Maple Leaf team.

Carolina would be out of the playoffs in this position, hence, they acquire futures, and the first is huge to get for a rental in Ferland. TVR is also added due to Carolina's surplus of dmen, and due to their cap space, they retain salary and get Woll back in return, a goalie who could be of help in the future, and could form a tandem with Ned.

Trading a 1st seems costly, but Toronto basically goes all-in with their roster, hoping to win a cup this year. Plus, the roster stays in tact, they get a rental who can provide physicality and a dman for next year. And remember, TVR was traded for a 2nd. Ferland ain't worth a 1st by himself, so Woll and a 5th makes up for the addition.

Toronto Lineup:
Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Ferland - Kadri - Kapanen
Johnsson/ Ennis - Lindholm - Brown/ Ennis

Rielly - van Riemsdyk/ Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Ozhiagnov/ Hainsey.

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05 Dec 2018 00:09:34

Very little here to disagree with. I always enjoy your proposals. Well thought out and make a lot of sense. I also like how you put the players salaries and contract durations in your posts as well. Extremely helpful in aiding the reader quickly assess a proposal. I think you are pretty close here in what you are suggesting. To be honest, the only thing I am not in full agreement is including Woll. Carolina has Nedeljkovic already. If we give them Woll, we lose our best goalie prospect. I kinda like the thought of having a highly rated goalie prospect in the organization to act as a hedge for Andersen if we feel we can’t afford to re-sign him and don’t feel comfortable enough with Sparks as starter.

Very good. If Carolina misses the playoffs this year they have a handful of decent UFA’s that will likely be shopped. Ferland is a good target. Not losing anyone off the current roster while bringing in Ferland and TVR can’t possibly hurt us in any way. If Carolina doesn’t get a better offer, then this trade has a chance at becoming reality.

05 Dec 2018 02:27:50
@LeafsGm. Check out Ian Scott. Woll is an extra year or two along maybe but this kid has a chance too. Was the goalie for the WHL vs Russia series and should be WJC goalie. Unbelievable numbers this year, albeit on a great team too, but with freddy locked up, Sparks still coming along and Scott tearing it up, I wouldn’t let Woll be the reason not to add what we need this year. We are all in for sure.

05 Dec 2018 05:23:26
Oh. Woll wouldn’t be a deal breaker or anything Jim. Just thinking out loud is all. Scott is having an outstanding year on an outstanding team. Speaking of Raiders, what do you think of Leason Jim? I mean, wow.

Scott is WHL goalie of the year. His gaa is so small I had to squint to see it. He’s a while away from making it as NHL starter though. Last I checked Woll ranked much higher, but that can change fairly rapidly.

This trade really doesn’t hurt us in anyway. And our 3rd string prospect player goalie is not a deal breaker by any means. If Leafs get a chance to pull trigger on a deal like this, I really hope they would. It just makes so much sense though that it probably wouldn’t get done.

05 Dec 2018 20:41:19
Ferland is out with a concussion, with not knowing if it's a long term injury and being a UFA after this season makes no sense for the Leafs to make that trade.

05 Dec 2018 21:15:22
I think that's definitely not enough for those two. To be fair I don't know much about Woll and his value (ik he's playing well at BC) but for a guy like Ferland who is a great type of player to have on a playoff team, plays with grit and is on pace for 30+ goals this year and seems to be growing every year (26 is still relatively young) TVR is a very solid middle-bottom pairing RHD, i'd say the leafs would have to throw in a guy like johnsson, wouldn't really have a big role on the Leafs and i think the hurricanes would want someone to help out their team immediately considering they're a tweener team. Def not a bad trade though.

06 Dec 2018 05:20:54
@shmoesports, I agree. Makes sense. I would add a piece, not sure of it would be Johnsson though. Maybe Johnsson and drop the later pick or something?

@pinball, if you’re thinking that trading pieces for guys that are older than what you’re giving up or on expiring contracts makes no sense, then you’re not ready to cheer for a contender lol that’s what they do. We are all in these next few years. Try to win the cup at just about all costs each season for the next 3 years before Rielly, Kadri and Andersen all need new contracts and it gets a lot harder.

Late firsts, seconds and decent young players are going to be moved out to bring it what you need each year and what we need this year is size and grit up front in a player that can still play with skilled players and contribute (Ferland) and D help, preferably on the right side who is mobile and can move the puck out of our zone quickly to the offense we have (TVR) .

04 Dec 2018 21:20:54
to Carolina
Nyquist (50% retained)

to Detroit

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05 Dec 2018 00:54:29

05 Dec 2018 00:57:27
This trade is so bad that I am actually tempted to take a trade from Pinball where it was Josh Levio plus 2nd for Nyquist.

So this is clearly even more trolling than a Pinball trade. Just saying.

Regardless, Nyquist will be traded for late 1st with retention or possibly 2 2nds if bidding is competitive. Wrists case if his value is low would be 2nd and 3rd.

This 4th might get you Nyquist'e beard shavings haha.

05 Dec 2018 05:35:11
If Carolina has a chance to make the playoffs they may make a trade like this. Nyqvist is having a very good year on a poor Detroit team. At current pace for 20 goals and 60 points. I got to imagine at minimal a 1st+ is included here. And if Detroit is doing Carolina a favor by retaining salary, even though Canes have plenty of cap space while Detroit does not, a half decent pick/ prospect must needs to be added.

I mean, right idea, right team, right player. Just an underwhelming offer is all. Nothing comes off the roster for Canes, so it’s a low risk/ high reward scenario. Precisely the type most gm’s enjoy.

04 Dec 2018 20:16:14
Montreal: lindgren + cale fleury
Florida: Matheson.

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04 Dec 2018 22:44:23
I don't know if this actually could get it done but I think montreal has spoken with florida about a trade. i also think matheson would be one of the players montreal would want. I wonder if we took back luongo would we be able to pry a good draft pick or prospect from them. Cap is going up and we have lots of room.

05 Dec 2018 00:29:38
I'd take that from mtl Matheson is not only a good defensemen but he's fron Quebec.

05 Dec 2018 02:36:28
Vancouver is to hope Luongo sits on LTIR ifnhebcant pkay. Similar to the Weber thing with Nashville, Canucks get screwed with cap recapture. If he retires a year early Canucks lose over $8 mill off their cap that year. Could hurt because by then their kids will be making money.

05 Dec 2018 03:44:09
Yes jim that was one of the reasons I wouldn't mind taking him on. he might just retire before that deal is up then we would possibly have the chance to fleece the canucks lol I could also see a possible situation where a team might put him on waivers in the last year or two of his deal and vancouver would feel forced to claim him.

05 Dec 2018 05:50:10
I really feel like I’m missing something here. I mean, Lindgren is fairly highly rated goalie prospect, sure, but Florida already has Montembleaut, who is ranked just as highly. And Fleury is major downgrade from Matheson, who is signed for 8 years at less than $5M per.

I just feel like this is an underwhelming offer for a top 4 defenseman signed long term like Matheson. Florida doesn’t even get a roster player back to help replace Matheson, no picks at all, and the prospects are lukewarm at best. I am missing something aren’t I? Cause otherwise I’m just not seeing the value there for Florida to even consider this trade.

05 Dec 2018 17:20:45
Lindgren has a real good contract so the salary and cap hit the panthers are saving makes the trade closer but like I said I don't know if it would be enough. Taking back luongo and getting another add from florida might help balance things out. Habs farm team still sucks and lindgren stats are not really wowing anyone at the moment because of this so probably florida may not even be interested at all. i'm pretty sure montreal talked with florida this summer about a deal involving pacioretty for matheson + so maybe something happens between the two clubs just not sure it would be anything close to this deal but ya never know.

05 Dec 2018 20:31:25
Fleury is not luckwarm. He has the potential to be a Roman Josi type defensemen.

05 Dec 2018 20:56:28
No he doesn't lol.

06 Dec 2018 15:34:13
If that is true, don't trade him.

04 Dec 2018 15:25:46
Flames: Valimaki


Does Clb consider?

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04 Dec 2018 16:23:39
Short answer: No.
Long answer: No.

05 Dec 2018 00:25:11
Valimaki is a highly touted prospect.

05 Dec 2018 01:58:15
Just bobrovski playoff history doesn't seem like the answer for the flames, probably wait and see if smith can get his game back by trade deadline.

05 Dec 2018 04:08:37
CLB would be dumb not to. Bob is walking regardless. Vali is not just a solid prospect anymore, he’s a proven NHL’r already at 19.
But CGY wouldn’t trade Vali for a rental.

05 Dec 2018 05:51:59
CLB is also doing very well this year and sees themselves as contenders. Bobrovsky alone can bring them to cup finals and give them a shot at winning. Valimaki cannot.

05 Dec 2018 20:33:30
SC4CGY Valimaki hasn't played enough games in the nhl yet to not be considered a prospect. I think its 30 games u have to play? 26? Can somebody help me out with that. Valimaki has played 22. I'm pretty sure he's still a prospect no?

06 Dec 2018 05:15:03
LWOH defines a prospect as a player under 25 years of age and with less than 50 games played. Like everything else, it’s debateable, but that is a pretty good definition as far as I’m concerned.

04 Dec 2018 15:22:09
Blues Trade

Leafs Trade
Timashov (AHL)
Borgman (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)
1st Round Pick 2020

Leafs have the Blues 4th Round Pick 2019 from the Soshnikov Trade last year.

Word out is that the Blues have Parayko out there to Trade, St.Louis would be looking more to the future if this is true and getting this kind of package does that.

Thoughts ?

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04 Dec 2018 16:08:32
Nothing there makes St. Louis better. First rounder is always nice but it is hopefully a very late one and zaitsev is the only NhL player going back and while he’s pretty good, he’s nowhere near parayko and only makes like $1 mill less.

04 Dec 2018 17:44:26
Word out is that the word out you heard is completely false lol.

04 Dec 2018 18:02:36
That was pure speculation by freidman. No truth.

But if you want parayko then try this

Kapenan, Liljgren, 2019 1st
Nylander Liljgren 1st 2020
Parayko Kostin Jaybo, 3rd 2019.

04 Dec 2018 18:55:54

I really have been enjoying your proposals a lot more lately. Maybe it’s the explanation you’ve been posting along with your trade ideas that helps me understand tour thinking better. I don’t know. But what I do know is that I find myself nodding my head a lot more when reading your posts and agreeing with you a lot more.

Zaitsev brings long term cost stability to an unstable team facing an uncertain future. If Blues trade either of Parayko or Pietrangelo, they will need a replacement. Zaitsev is a 2nd line RHD. No more, no less. I’m six years, his contract will seem like a pretty sweet deal compared to whatever outrageous demands Pietrangelo and Parayko will be asking. Of course Parayko is a better player than Zaitsev. No denying that. That’s why Leafs add. Parayko is a little too old to be saying he will turn into a franchise defenseman though.

I don’t know if this is a high enough return for St. Louis to make this trade, but it is not unreasonable by any means. There is actually a lot going for this proposal: St. Louis gets a bit of cap relief, they bring in a package of futures, they get long term cost stability in the back end, and they aren’t trading away their own future in an attempt to turn the ship around. It shows astute cap and asset management. Leafs may have to cough up better picks/ prospects, but we aren’t talking about the whole farm team.

04 Dec 2018 20:09:54
If you want them to take jbo colt, drop the 1st and 3rd rounders. Jbo does nothing other than devalue the blues side of the deal.

04 Dec 2018 21:00:44
No what jaybo does is cover the difference between parayko and nylander. He is off the books next year. No harm no foul. Blues are at the cap. Its him or gunnarson that would have to go back to coever the cap.

04 Dec 2018 21:05:01
leafsgm. Zaitseiv is not that good. this prop basically gives us a bad dman and a bunch of crap for parayko. This is not reasonable and shows how much of a homer you really are.

I don't want to sit here and insult you but if you think that gets a deal done then we will offer you parayko, 2021 1st Oskar Sunqvuist jordan shmaltz Mathews, Its reasonable right.

04 Dec 2018 22:13:40
No Redwing. Everyone else on this site is correct. You really are the homer actually. Resorting to name calling is extremely childish and uncalled for. This is a rumor and discussion forum. Pinball floated a proposal and all I did was point out the good things about it. I made it clear that the return wasn’t enough for Parayko. Leafs add. But even suggesting Leafs trade Nylander for Parayko shows how little thought you put in to this proposal. Blues can’t afford Nylander, and Leafs aren’t going to take some piece of crap overpaid player you want to send our way as cap dump to help you guys out. Leafs pay that kind of money for good players.

I can’t think of even one reason why Leafs would sign Nylander to that contract just to trade him straight away. St. Louis guaranteed won’t be taking Nylander until after July 01, and if you think Leafs will trade Nylander after just paying him $18M in 7 months for four years of a good, not great, second line defenseman, then maybe you need to re-think your valuation of your players. Why would we help Blues our like that?

Disagreement is going to happen. But adults don’t resort to name calling like you have here. Extremely immature. and unnecessary. Just creates bad vibes and makes yourself look chuildish. I don’t mean to insult you, but you need to grow up.

04 Dec 2018 23:41:10
First for most. I don't care to trade parayko or petro. I have been joining in the props to help with accurate value. Calling you a homer is not name calling it's a fact. To address the prop you responded to, there was zero value, zaitsev is negative value, the picks are crap and the players worse. Quantity doesn't equal quality. There is no defending this trade. If I was completely off base yup and some of the other long time posters would have called me out.

Keep nylander I don't want him. In the same breath blues are not trading leafs petro or parayko so please move along now.

05 Dec 2018 00:28:41
Not close on this one.

05 Dec 2018 03:19:25
Also leafs gm if youh think you are not bias then you are in denial. I can admit my character flaws. I think it's funny that the only time you complement pinball is for a lopsided trade like this.

05 Dec 2018 20:34:55
Redwing is actually right on that on. This is basically just a lat first rounder for Parayko. The rest has little to no value. This trade is terrible for St Louis and I'm surprise people actually think its remotely clost. Try Nylander+ late first+small add for Parayko.

05 Dec 2018 20:35:54
And leafs Parako is not second line defensemen. he's a number 1 RHD on 90% of nhl teams. That's super valuable.

05 Dec 2018 21:09:23
I think if blues are trading parayko they would want one of the following.

Nylander+ liljgren


Kappy, Lijgren 1st 2019

parayko small add

either way your top d prospect would be coming back.

04 Dec 2018 00:38:08
Flames Trade For.

To Flames From:
Columbus BlueJackets-
(G) Sergei Bobrovsky.

To Bluejackets From
Calgary Flames-
(C) Curtis Lazar.
(LW) Ryan Lomberg.
(G) Mason MacDonald.

Flames Goalie Lineup for Season/ Playoffs-

(#2) Rittich or Smith,
Depending on who stays the better more reliable goalie.

Solves Flames only problem "Goalie"
Now we can win the Cup.

Mike Smiths Contract is up at the end of year and they let him go.

Resign Bobrovsky.
Resign rittich.

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04 Dec 2018 07:13:04
I am a flames fan, but bobrovsky as UFA, is worth more than that. Also how would he resign, calgary needs to sign Tkachuk.

04 Dec 2018 12:21:21
Lol. That's a terrible one sided offer for goalie Bob. Even tho he's a UFA. You don't need to have 420 in your name to know you smoke weed.

03 Dec 2018 17:04:01
sens: mark stone and matt duchene if they resign with oil

oilers: rnh, jesse puljujarvi and lucic

i think both stone and duchene don't want to b in ottawa and don't think they will resign with them and i'm only putting in lucic to even out money going both ways

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03 Dec 2018 18:22:29
Cableguy, and every other delusional Oiler fans

Lucic is not going to be traded, No team wants to take on his dead salary.

Thats all i have to say about that.

03 Dec 2018 18:52:56
Puljujärvi is the asset needed to dump Lucic. Now you want Stone and Duchene resigned extensions for RNH? He’s good, but. Oh those players are each better than him lol.

03 Dec 2018 19:52:38
Jesse doesn't hold the value he once did. He is good in Hal but can't translate to mil. He is still young but not looking goid.

03 Dec 2018 21:52:11
Ottawa already has at least one boat anchor contract in Bobby Ryan. I’m not so sure they will be wanting Lucic as well. I mean, anything is possible. But I have a hard time seeing them wanting to absorb Lucic just so they can get RNH and hope Puljujärvi turns it around.

03 Dec 2018 22:44:29
Does leagues dint exist Colt/ redwing but I agree.

04 Dec 2018 04:18:52
Where’s Rambo?

04 Dec 2018 12:40:22
Rambo is having a stroke somewhere after reading this one lol.

04 Dec 2018 16:14:24
i know u guys don't think its worth it bt remember matt and mark probley won't sign with them so do they let them just go to free agent or do they get something in return and i think rnh and pul would b good for them and mayb oil throws in a 2nd or 3rd pick to get lucic off the roster.

05 Dec 2018 03:20:26
You pretty much have to use a first to get rid of this contract.

05 Dec 2018 18:49:18
For once your right Jim I thought your offers were bad then this garbage comes along lol.

Ottawa would never do this with or without Lucic, people always say Ryan has negative value even though he can still perform, and you think Ottawa would want a useless liability on a worst contract in Lucic? Get real.

And fyi both Duchene and stone are concerned to be in contract negotiations currently with ottawa. If they didn't want to be there they wouldn't say they do want to be there let along get involved with contract negotiations, that much is common sense.

Give that myth of players not wanting to be in Ottawa a rest, its old and worn out. Get a new approach.


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