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05 Aug 2018 00:06:56
New York Islanders:
Brock Nelson+David Quenneville

Minnesota Wild:
Jonas Brodin+5th pick (2019)

With Boychuk aging, Islanders could use defensive help. Minnesota could use some extra scoring and Nelson's contract isn't as much a burden.

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05 Aug 2018 17:17:31
And Minnesota does this why?

04 Aug 2018 18:26:33
Ottawa: Karlsson, Ryan, Smith
Vegas: 1st, Brannstrom, Legace and Theodore

Ottawa: Pageau
Montreal: Peca + 3rd 2019

Ottawa: Anderson + 3rd 2020
San Jose: Dell

are any of these close? what would you add or change?

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04 Aug 2018 19:39:19
Karlsson trade I wouldn't touch with Ryan contract.

05 Aug 2018 06:28:31
If Vegas is taking on both ryan and smith, ottawa would be lucky to get a first plus, no way they would get theodore.

04 Aug 2018 16:55:05
Minnesota Trades
Niederreiter
Spurgeon

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Liljegren
Sparks
1st Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

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04 Aug 2018 17:50:44
‘Pinball. Is. Back. ’

*cold shivers*.

04 Aug 2018 19:02:33
i don't see them giving up on lilegren this early, i see him as a solid top 4 in a couple years for them.

04 Aug 2018 20:16:07
Leafs take this for sure.

05 Aug 2018 17:20:28
Ya and Minnesota doesn’t ya hope the Liljegren can be half the player spurgeon is and nino is better then a late first a bum brown and sparks.

03 Aug 2018 23:06:19
Okay so with the Skinner trade happening, it becomes even more clear that Carolina needs forwards over anything as their defense is already stacked with talent. The Leafs can help them with this predicament.

To TOR:
Brett Pesce

To CAR:
Kasperi Kapanen
Andreas Johnsson
Connor Carrick
2019 1st Round Pick

Pesce is signed to a great deal for many years to come and so he will not pose a problem to the Leafs cap wise. He is also young, big and right-handed so he can fit perfectly into our D-core. He will definitely help bolster our game in the D-zone allowing our other more offense-oriented D-men to be more free and get the puck up to our forwards.

CAR gets 2 excellent young NHL-level forward prospects, a RHD to fill the slot left by Pesce and a 1st round pick as a big bonus in case they don't make the playoffs this year.

Thoughts?

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04 Aug 2018 01:25:09
That could probably get Trouba!

04 Aug 2018 01:43:51
@madeindade,
One or two of those pieces could be a throw in to a Trouba deal, but none would be considered as the main piece.

04 Aug 2018 03:47:26
I’ll take Pesce over Trouba all day and no from Carolina.

04 Aug 2018 13:39:11
I'm seeing 2 1st round pick and 2 2nd round picks, 3 of which will be under control for the foreseeable future. Toronto gets the defense they are looking for, Carolina gets their cheap offense they have been looking for. I think it would be accepted by both teams and fit them perfectly.

04 Aug 2018 14:30:12
Slavin and Pesce is Carolina’s top line and they’re very effective so I doubt they’d break it up. They’d probably ask for Nylander and then the leafs would decline.

05 Aug 2018 18:25:35
There’s zero chance that gets you Trouba. Jets have no need for extra “bubble” prospects. You’d need to start with Liljegren, a 1st Round Pick and still add from there.

06 Aug 2018 18:57:42
I think Canes are building D-core around Slavin, Pesce and Hamilton.

Don't see them moving any of them. More likely to move Faulk.

I think it would take a more significant piece to build a package around to get Pesce and even then Canes may be unwilling to let him go.

03 Aug 2018 14:51:27
Buffalo Sabres Lineup:

Jeff Skinner - Jack Eichel - Sam Reinhart
Connor Sheary - Casey Mittelstadt - Kyle Okposo
Alexander Nylander/ Scott Wilson - Patrick Berglund - Evan Rodrigues
Vladimir Sobotka - Zemgus Girgensons - Tage Thompson
**Danny O’Regan, CJ Smith

Rasmus Dahlin - Rasmus Ristolainen
Marco Scandella - Lawrence Pilut
Nathan Beaulieu - Jake McCabe
*Matt Hunwick

Trade Bait: Jason Pominville, Johan Larsson, Zach Bogosian, Casey Nelson, Nic Baptiste, Matt Moulson.

I think that BUF should package all of these pieces together (or a majority of them) to alleviate cap and allow these players to have places to play.

Trade:
(RW) Jason Pominville + (LW) Johan Larsson + (D) Zach Bogosian + (LW) Nic Baptiste to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for (D) Jon Merrill + (RW/ IR) David Clarkson + (G) Oscar Dansk + 2020 2nd Round Pick + 2019 3rd Round Pick.

Pominville >> Clarkson (Even though Clarkson counts towards IR)
Bogosian > Merrill (Main idea here is to get rid of Bogosians Contract, despite Bogo being better)
Larsson/ Baptiste.

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03 Aug 2018 16:03:27
Lines aren’t bad really don’t think Dahlin will start to year on the 1st pair that’d be a huge mistake he’s 18 and not ready for top pairing minutes and I feel like Tage Thompson will be a little bit higher in the lineup.

03 Aug 2018 21:59:33
You’re right vbb, you know the disagrees are just Habby lol you could say Montreal is in the province of Quebec and he’s going to disagree with you. His time of the month.

But yeah a lot for buffalo this year depends on goaltending obviously. I like ROR and thought they would be worse without him but after seeing how much they got for him and how little they just gave up for skinner, I’m impressed. Going to be a lot more competitive than I expected, that’s for sure. If Hutton is as good this year as he’s shown in spurts last year, they should might battle for a wild card, or atleast play some meaningful games after February.

03 Aug 2018 22:35:41
Yeah I agree but I’m not very confident that Huton can effectively handle the workload as a starter but time will tell I think in a few years they’ll start to become a top team as Dahlen and their future draft picks develope.

03 Aug 2018 22:38:54
I only disagree to your post jim. I'd appreciate if you stopped the name drops lol. If you got to use my name in your posts to make them better then really what does that say about you lol. i actually agree with vbbb here which is somewhat rare lately.

04 Aug 2018 15:00:22
Hard to say where they put dahlin. Probably depends on preseason if it's first or second pair. Some players thrive on being thrown into the deep end.

05 Aug 2018 05:09:53
Habby, you click disagree on mine 5 times and agree on yours 5 times lol who’s the one that needs help? Again, I don’t relate my self worth to this, have a full life outside. Keep livin the dream kid.

05 Aug 2018 05:16:35
Jim what makes you think I do that. are you so sure your right all the time that other people can't hit the disagree button on your post. So it must be me cause heaven forbid someone else disagree with you. and I ain't no kid big boy I've seen my team win a few cups and on it was on a colour tv too.

06 Aug 2018 20:40:28
Because you’re the only response after most of mine with all the unbelievables, and as pkane pointed out on the last page, after you and I argued, there’s even unbelievables on the confirmed trade i posted lol has you written all over it.

I’ve told you this before, I don’t measure my self worth in your responses. You need to click believable on your own and unbelievable on people you don’t like to make yourself feel superior. Nothing I can do to stop you, and I wouldn’t anyway. You clearly need that in your life. Mines real good man.

06 Aug 2018 21:43:25
So like my reply above this one which had 0 disagrees the last 2 days and 10 minutes after you came back on here today mysteriously had 3 . hmmmmmmm what do you think went on there jim?

06 Aug 2018 21:44:49
The level of your paranoia is getting close to the level of your bias. We'll not really but you know what I mean.

07 Aug 2018 00:01:01
I click agree or disagree once lol I haven’t done more than one.

07 Aug 2018 05:45:46
Yeah ok jim. Cause you said it then it must be fact lol.

07 Aug 2018 12:45:40
Okay. Sabres didn't trade for Jeff skinner. I made that up lol.

07 Aug 2018 15:25:06
I didn't click disagree on that. I had posted the same trade before you why would I disagree. Stop playing the victim man.

03 Aug 2018 14:48:00
If Tampa acquires and extends Karlsson (RHD), they need to move out salary and go all in this and next year.

Philadelphia: Girardi ($3MM UFA 2019), Callahan ($5.8MM UFA 2020 NTC), Foote, 2020 1st (TB)
Tampa: Vecchione, Leier

Vecchione is NHL ready but can't crack the roster and Leier has NHL experience. Both are cheap and would be great depth players for a long playoff run which Tampa is poised to do. Callahan might waive to go to a good, young, emerging team if he's smart enough to realize he's an impediment in TB.

Philadelphia has the cap space to take on these contracts without impeding future deals (Provorov, Konecny, Patrick etc). Foote and Myers would be the Flyers RHD of the future.

San Jose: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2019)
Philadelphia: 2019 2nd (FLA), 2020 1st (SJS)

It's doubtful that the Flyers can re-sign Simmonds long term. If the Flyers acquire Callahan, Simmonds is surplus value and should go to a contender that can pay him $5-7MM for 4-6 years. With Thornton coming off the books, the Sharks can extend Simmonds for their window. Philadelphia has Voracek, Konecny, and Allison as RW long term.

Philadelphia maximizes their return while using cap space and roster spots. 2019 Draft priority is RW.

Flyers 2020-2021 Roster:

Giroux-Couturier-Konency
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Allison

In waiting: Ratcliffe, Farabee, Rubstov, Vorobyev, Strome, Sushko, O'Brien

Provorov-Myers
Gostisbehere-Foote
Sanheim-Hagg/Morin/Friedman

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03 Aug 2018 15:21:37
Good post.

03 Aug 2018 20:05:43
Foote and a 1st to move out Cally? Don’t think so. It’ll prolly just take the 1st. Cause Girardi is basically just a rental cause his contract ends before any resigning would be done.

Simmonds trade isn’t that bad imo, but ain’t that third line a bit inexperienced? Idk, i'd prefer Simmonds there imo.

04 Aug 2018 07:10:37
Foote and 1st is way too steep a price to pay to trade Callahans remaining contract. Could as well buy him out next summer. And you think if Vecchione and Leier can't crack PHIs arguably worse F corps, they will make it on TB? Weird logic
Either send some good value back or take out Foote and then TB maybe considers it.

03 Aug 2018 03:27:53
Mtl- patch-weber-lindgren-scherbak

Ott -karlsson-stone-ryan


Im dreaming on lol

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03 Aug 2018 14:35:20
You're right it is a dream. Not even close to realistic.

04 Aug 2018 15:41:57
Ottawa adds. Karlsson=Patch+Lindgren. Stone=weber+scherbak. Ryan

02 Aug 2018 23:55:48
Confirmed Trade

Buffalo gets Jeff Skinner

Canes get Cliff Pu, 2nd, 3rd And 6th

Like this deal a lot for sabres. No top prospect or 1st rounder involved and add a guy who is only 25 and had 37 goals 2 years ago, 79 in last 3 seasons. Staying healthy will obviously be the key.

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03 Aug 2018 04:57:07
Makes me wonder why Edmonton wouldn’t have tried really hard to make this work (maybe they did) I know cap space is an issue but at that price I’m shocked. That’s probably an equivilent of benson, 2nd, 3rd ans 6th. And that was trading within the conference. Being out west, certainly wouldn't cost more, maybe even a bit less. Don’t know their exact cap situation but for a chance to add skinner so cheap, could they not have given another asset to dump a salary, either to Carolina in this deal or elsewhere to make room?!

03 Aug 2018 04:59:30
Yup. Nice move by Buffalo. If he can stay away from concussions, this should work out great for Buffalo.

03 Aug 2018 14:36:50
Ya the oilers have about $5M in space right now and have to sign Nurse with that. No room at all I make a deal with no money going out for Skinner. Good suggestion tho lol.

03 Aug 2018 16:20:21
Yeah. I was just wondering if there was a way to send like Sekera back there (lived there a long time, might have connections there still) along with another asset in the deal. Because even another pick added into it doesn’t seem like a ton. I just think skinner would be a great fit for mcdavid, can score and is one of the best skaters in the league. I had a trade proposal a while ago of Ethan Bear and their 1st for him (before it was a 10th overal)

04 Aug 2018 00:08:04
I would have earlier asked Sekera is he would waive his no trade to go back to Carolina. And hen try to do something around Sekera/ Puljujarvi for Faulk/ Skinner. And extend Skinner after the season
But that was before we resigned some players and what not. Now it wouldn't have worked out.

04 Aug 2018 19:54:06
i will never understand why people put unbelievable for confirmed trades.

02 Aug 2018 13:42:41
With Mark Stone reportedly asking 9M in arbitration, I don't see Melnyk wanting to pay him that much. if they don't agree on a fair deal do you see Melnyk saying to trade stone for assets rather than paying the man?

Ottawa: Stone
Edmonton: Jones + 1st?

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02 Aug 2018 14:39:38
Not even close Stone might have more value then Karlsson sense he is a RFA.

02 Aug 2018 15:26:11
Stone is worth waaay more than a second pairing D and a very late first

02 Aug 2018 16:16:20
Stone is worth far more than that. But with Ottawa’s lack of leverage and track record lately I don’t know if they get proper value for anyone anymore. I still think teams would pay more than this though.

02 Aug 2018 17:14:15
At least 10other teams would offer more than a B Prospect and an1st for a 60+ point Defensive winger.

02 Aug 2018 19:57:46
Players always ask for a lot more than they actually want. The team is offering $5.5M I believe. He probably realistically wants and is worth around $7.5M. So he's asking for $9M. He will probably and should get between. $7-8M.

02 Aug 2018 20:44:36
Team is $5 mill I believe. Sens also almost $3 mill apart on Ceci. Long term deal for stone in the $7-7.5 range is probably what he wants but of Sens don’t do it, he has nothing to lose a year away from UFA.

02 Aug 2018 20:57:57
I wouldn’t even pay Ceci 3 million let alone be 3 million apart jeez.

02 Aug 2018 21:11:56
If league agrees more with the team and awards him $5-6 mill, then i think it’s all but guaranteed he will feel ripped off by ownership/ management and be gone at the first chance he gets. If they award him $7+ I think he could still then negotiate a long deal after with them.

02 Aug 2018 22:44:48
Jim, league has nothing to do with the amount of money stone gets.

03 Aug 2018 00:00:33
I meant arbitration. Not league. It’s a private arbitrator hired by the league.

03 Aug 2018 00:05:53
Lol. I legit LOLed when I read what Cici was asking for the other day.

03 Aug 2018 00:07:38
Jim you should know the league has nothing to do with the contract negotiations between player/ agent and GM/ Owner. Come on man. If they don't agree and want to go to arbritration that's third party, Still nothing to do with the NHL league I believe.

03 Aug 2018 04:56:26
You'd ask for the moon if you had to play for that organization right now too.

03 Aug 2018 12:54:32
Yupp, I corrected by saying arbitrator and do you think these private arbitrators work for free?! Lol they are contracted by the league. I own a construction company, when I’m done a job I contract a company to do a road sweep. They’re not MY employee, but I still technically hired them for that job. So yes, as I said, it’s a private arbitrator hired by the league.

03 Aug 2018 14:38:53
They aren't NHL employees tho as you kinda suggested. They are third party. Meaning they don't work directly for the league. they just come in with no bias either way and work things out. 🍻🍻.

03 Aug 2018 16:23:31
I agree. I said league by mistake and then corrected it to arbitrator lol

You said it has “nothing to do with NHL League”. So I said they are hired by the league but are private arbitrators. Didn’t you just use the quote “read to understand, don’t read to respond”?! Lol Jesus.

03 Aug 2018 16:34:53
And I specifically said ‘not employee’ in my analogy lol slow news day I guess.

03 Aug 2018 17:26:24
Anyone feel if the contracts keep rising like this we are heading for another lockout? Or if the cap continues to rise all will be good between owner and player? Stone's great, don't get me wrong, I really like him, but just feels like a few years ago he'd be more in the 5 mil range rather than the 7.3 he just signed.

03 Aug 2018 18:50:03
@musing, you’re right. They seem like they’re climbing but the bar is always set at the top. So a few years ago when Crosby, Malkin and ovie were the best in the world and making 8.7-9.5 guys like him were $5 mill range. But when mcdavid gets 12.5 as the best now (deserved) and that next tier is getting 10-11 (Doughty, toews, kane, kopitar, Tavares, Eichel, matthews soon) then these types of guys are $7+ mill for sure.

01 Aug 2018 17:25:58
Canucks trade: tanev, gadjovich, 4th round pick 2019

Bruins trade: Carlo, McQuaid, 2nd round pick 2019

What do you fellas think about this one? And what pieces could be added to make it fair? Canucks get another young D

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01 Aug 2018 17:47:18
I don't think the bruins would be willing to part with Carlo for that. Canucks don't have the pieces to get him.

01 Aug 2018 17:48:26
Lmaooo. Boston tells you not to call ever again.

01 Aug 2018 23:32:19
No team wants tanev! Stop adding him to rumors.

02 Aug 2018 14:40:00
Leafs would take Tanev.

02 Aug 2018 15:22:54
Yes they would vbbb but they wouldn't give up anything in return right?

02 Aug 2018 16:30:26
So an oilers fan calls a Canucks player garbage, a leaf fan says they would take him, and you still find a way to make that into a ‘leafs biased’ comment lol.

02 Aug 2018 23:59:59
I can just imagine the trade proposals now lol.

03 Aug 2018 00:25:50
I’d give up a 1st and a prospect but he’s one of the most frequently injured players + he dosent exactly light it up offensively so I wouldn’t give more then that.

03 Aug 2018 13:07:40
That’s not enough vbb! Get real, stop this leaf bias! You know it would take 3 leaf 1sts because they’re not actually worth as much as you think they are. Also liljegren isn’t a prospect, only you and I think that. To be called a prospect, there has to be a chance they will make the NHL. Prospects are guys like zach Fucale.

 


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