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22 Feb 2024 22:52:46
Ottawa Trades
Tarasenko*
Hamonic

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Kampf
1st Round Pick 2024

*Ottawa retains 50% of Tarasenko's expiring contract.




Thoughts ?

Believable12 Unbelievable21

23 Feb 2024 01:05:02
People are going to find a way to spin this and say it’s bad for Ottawa but no way both of these players return a 1st. Taresanko gets a 2nd and Hamonic maybe gets a 4th at the deadline. I’d be shocked if Taresanko returns a 1st.

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23 Feb 2024 01:17:21
pretty close in terms of value imo

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23 Feb 2024 02:22:20
I think the leafs should definitely get tarasenko for the playoff push.

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23 Feb 2024 02:34:32
Someone will overpay for Tarasenko but I mean he's sitting with 37 points after 52 games so it's not a stretch to say someone will offer up a first for him.

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23 Feb 2024 19:44:00
It will likely be a 1st from 16-24, so it's a decent offer. but please keep Robertson and kampf, either that or throw in a 2nd and 3rd for taking your spare parts.

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23 Feb 2024 21:11:42
Facelift39
A 22 year old winger who is showing he is an NHL Player is a spare part?
Tarasenko for NRobertson and a 1st isn't reasonable?
Kampf for Hamonic isn't fair value either?
Are you watching The NHL or KHL?

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24 Feb 2024 03:55:55
Haha Robertson and the 1st for a retained tarasenko sure, fair. but I strongly disagree that 1 year of hamonic at 1 mill is equal to 3 years of an unneeded kampf at 2.5 (which forward is coming out of ottawa's roster to accommodate this oh so massive upgrade? )

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24 Feb 2024 14:12:34
HAHAHA…Pinball chiding someone on their hockey knowledge? 🤣🤣

You can’t make this stuff up.

Facelift is right. Pinball is wrong, and will be very disappointed that the trades he’s envisioning won’t be anywhere close to what eventually happens at the trade deadline. The leafs don’t have the trade capital to make big moves, and will be planning modest upgrades where they make sense. Treliving is a smart hockey man.

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24 Feb 2024 15:40:54
Chickenfoot
Remember last year around this time I posted The Leafs getting McCabe with half his remaining contract being eaten by Chicago?
You said I am delusional and that McCabe would never waive his NTC to go to any Canadian Team, nor would Chicago want any of The Leafs spare parts?
You are once again setting yourself up, let's see what happens by the deadline and who is right once again.

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24 Feb 2024 15:46:15
And vvbbb hit the nail on the head that people like Chickenfoot would spin this is and say this is a bad trade for Ottawa.
vvbbb was right!

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25 Feb 2024 17:03:33
PINBALL…no…I do not recall what a posted a year ago…get some perspective man…🙄

- The Trade Deadline is not a “Telethon in support of sending the leafs to the 2nd round”.

- Surely you are aware that most think your trades are outrageously one sided?

- 99% of your trade proposals are strictly “Make a Wish” nonsense.

- Post something good and positive feedback will follow, and stop being so darn whiney and defensive.

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22 Feb 2024 16:28:47
3 team proposal.

Arizona Trades
Keller-(Tor)
Dumba*-(Col)
JBrown*+(Tor)

Colorado Trades
O'Connor-(Arz)
Byram-(Arz)
Kero(AHL)-(Tor)

Toronto Trades
Knies-(Arz)
Kampf-(Col)
Jarnkrok-(Col)
Liljegren-(Arz)
Petruzzelli(AHL)-(Arz)
1st Round Pick 2024-(Arz)
3rd Round Pick 2024(NYI Pick)-(Arz)


*Arizona retains 50% of both Dumba and JBrown expiring contract.


So many players in my proposal going here and there to explain it all, but what each team is giving up and what they are getting fits every teams needs imo.



Thoughts ?

Believable4 Unbelievable27

22 Feb 2024 18:22:22
Colorado trades Byram and get next to nothing in return.

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22 Feb 2024 19:00:49
Ebsolutely
Colorado needs depth on bottom forward lines and Kampf and Jarnkrok do that, Dumba is the hard hitting RHanded Defenceman they are looking for, remember Colorado is looking to win it all this year not rebuilding.
Ok instead of sending the 3rd Rounder to Arizona I will instead send it to Colorado to give Colorado another asset going back for Byam.
What Arizona is getting back I still believe without a 3rd they would agree.

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22 Feb 2024 19:08:07
What do the Avs get out of this? What do the Coyotes get out of this? This only benefits us. Avs are fine sitting 2nd in the central, 3rd in the west as a whole, and 5th overall in the entire league. They'll look to add for sure, but not at the cost of Byram unless they are getting a high end player up front in and they most definitely do not add that in this deal. Yotes trade their top player who is signed at a very reasonable contract and is only 25. Even if they hop into a rebuild you know who's going to be apart of it? Clayton Keller.

We are not going to be big game hunting, at least we shouldn't be. Too many uncertainties in net to be confident enough to say this is the year we trade our top prospects, trade our future draft picks away, and go all in for the cup Add a good right handed dman who can slot in on the second or third pairing who can play a responsible game in our end, can skate well enough to transition, and get shots through on the offensive side of things.

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22 Feb 2024 21:06:54
Embarrassing Pinball…absolute 💩

Take a long weekend and come back with some perspective.

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22 Feb 2024 23:08:54
MG69
To start with what are The Avs getting? 3 players that will help them in the playoffs, do you not thinking adding Kampf, Jarnkrok up front and Dumba on defense over O'Connor and Byram makes them better for the playoffs? SMH if you think not.
What does Zona get?
Byram and Liljegren over Dumba and JBrown is that an improvement for next season and beyond?
Keller of course is the best player in the deal but Knies was magic with Cooley in college and he is a young power type forward with skill, in all honesty I would hate to trade Knies but to get Keller you have to, add the 1st and 3rd plus the trade off on defense and a depth goaltender.
That's why Arizona would do that.
As for Chickenfoot we know every Leaf player has no value in your world so why bother saying anything to you.

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23 Feb 2024 01:06:19
No team wants Dumba. He doesn’t make the avalanche.

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23 Feb 2024 01:48:32
Pinball it doesn't. O'Connor has more points than Kampf and Jarnkrok. Byram has more god damn points than Kampf and the same amount as Jarnkrok and he's on the third pair for defense and the second powerplay unit. You know who he also has more points than. Dumba! Refer to the standings man and tell me why in the world they should look to get rid of Byram and O'Connor when they don't get better after the fact. If they want to add depth there will be cheaper options who won't cost them Byram in the process. Kampf is a cap dump at this point. I'm sure they'd love to add Jarnkrok as he falls into that depth category, but if we were to say "It's going to cost you Byram. " they would laugh at us and look else where.

Well aware like everyone else in the hockey world that Knies and Cooley had great chemistry in college, but why do you think that warrants the idea that they should give up the better player and their best player for that hope that it translates to the NHL level. Keller is apart of their future. He's had success stat wise with little supporting cast, on a team friendly deal, can play every forward position, is only 25.

So again I ask you, why do the Arizona Coyotes and the Colorado Avalanche do this deal?

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23 Feb 2024 15:55:25
Its easier to say you want Keller in Toronto, which doesn't solve the Leafs biggest issues which is their defense and goaltending depth.

This also doesn't look like the year for Toronto to go all in for the cup, considering their lack of scoring depth and the lack of draft picks and already thin prospect pool. Throwing that 1st rounder away would put them 2 steps further back. They should either hold out and go with the team they've built already, or try and grab a RHD that's making under $2m, but even with that they'll get in trouble when stacked up against a team like Florida or NYR in the playoffs.

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23 Feb 2024 17:38:09
Couldn't agree more DrwDave. If we can grab a RHD at a reasonable cap hit that isn't going to cost the farm then absolutely for it. But at this point I'd rather see them let it ride for the year and regroup in the offseason. With any luck we will get some depth scoring going like we had last night against Vegas and it carries through to the playoffs.

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23 Feb 2024 19:00:12
That one is absolutely brutal for Colorado.

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23 Feb 2024 23:21:05
PINBALL: every time you blame feedback on your trades on someone being “anti-leafs” it’s even more embarrassing than your trade proposals, especially this one that has NOTHING for COL.

Others have noted this is a crappy deal for COL. You are too biased to recognize they are right.

🚫 Crying in Baseball
🚫 No Whining About Yout Trade Feedback.

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27 Feb 2024 10:36:39
COL trades Byram, O’Connor & Kero for Jarnkrok, Kampf & Dumba? nah wtf

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29 Feb 2024 16:47:16
Right @NotACasual? What an absolute steal for them. 🙄.

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22 Feb 2024 02:53:46
Mtl- Savard half retain- 3rd pick 2024

Dal- bourque- 1st pick 2024

At the draft

Mtl- gallagher-1st pick wpg 2024-1st pick dal 2024

Too San Jose, Anaheim or Chicago

For future consideration

Then offer guentzel
5 year 50 M

Believable4 Unbelievable18

22 Feb 2024 04:12:15
I actually like the Bourque trade a lot, I don’t think it’s too far off tbh. I don’t think they should dump Gallagher tho, he’s an important leader on that team. Maybe they should use those assets in a package for Zegras if he’s available.

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22 Feb 2024 13:09:01
- Good one BFG - I think you're bang on with your asset valuations.

- Two 1sts to get rid of Gally's 3 years @ 6.5M is fair, but crippling, when considering the opportunity cost of what those two 1st round picks could be used for in a trade "for" something.

- Gally has been a good soldier for the Habs, and I think they'll do right by him. Perhaps he wants to go somewhere I think they'll make it happen, such as going home to EDM or something like that.

- For example, if the Gally wanted to go to EDM this summer, maybe they could trade his 3 x 6.5M for Campbell's 3 x 5M, and retain whatever some $ to make it work for EDM. (It would be wrong to bury Gally in the minors, but the Habs don't have anything invested in Campbell. The Habs could retain to make the dollars work and make sure Gally was left to finish his career honourably. He's earned that. )

- A buyout would take 6 looooong years at -333K, 2.1M, 4.6M, 2.1M, 2.1M, & 2.1M. I suspect Gally & the Habs will work out something honourable to allow them both to move on the right way.

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22 Feb 2024 13:18:58
I wouldn't do the Guentzel signing though, and I'm not sure Zegras is the right trade target.

I know high end talent is hard to find, but his defensive play makes his net offense contribution far less meaningful. Some scorers get it, and some don't. He's a human highlight reel, but I'm not sure he's the kind of guy that helps win a championship. He feels more like a Johnny Gaudreau.

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22 Feb 2024 13:20:03
That would be a great add for the Habs! Value wise I think it's there, my only thing is would Dallas want to part with him. Pavelski, Benn, and Seguin are not getting younger and eventually they will need to be replaced. There's free agency or there's the homegrown route. Do they move a player they've developed into a very promising player or move on from him. I don't know what the answer is to that, but the addition of Savard would sure up their defense even more for a playoff run.

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23 Feb 2024 01:20:45
@Chickenfoot that Gaudreau comparison seems really accurate actually lol

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23 Feb 2024 04:34:20
I see this

Habs lose Gallagher, Monahan Savard

Gain Bourque and guentzel

(Still have the first cgy pick for Monahan)

Salary wise it balanced and I rather have guentzel over zegras, more complete 2 way player, and playoff experience. 10 M maybe a little overpay but it's mtl. Taxes, media, you have to op a little.

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22 Feb 2024 02:44:23
Tor- lilgren


Arz- Dumba half retain


Who add?

Believable2 Unbelievable15

22 Feb 2024 04:13:11
Leafs Twitter seems to want Dumba over Tanev which I think is bananas. Tanev is exactly what they need on their blueline.

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22 Feb 2024 09:01:20
I want Liljegren more than Dumba. Lilly is playing well, Dumba is no defensive wizard and has lost his offensive touch.

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22 Feb 2024 11:40:09
Dumba add what the Leafs are looking for. He's rough right shot, hits and block shots while doing decent on the pk while not being overly expensive. Reminds me of a diet trouba imo.

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22 Feb 2024 13:38:05
Dumba would be a good add, and while Tanev would be better in my opinion, it seems like with the chatter than he'll go for a ridiculously high return. The leafs just can't afford that.

Dumba would be cheaper, so I think BFG makes a good point with this add. I'm not a Lilly fan at all, but the target is right.

I think the leafs would be better off with someone bigger who does a bit more, like Savard, who has the extra year at a great cap hit of 3.5M. They don't have the pieces to make that trade, but if I were the leafs, I'd want someone with better size, scoring, shot blocking, and leadership than either Dumba or Tanev.

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21 Feb 2024 23:39:01
Arizona Trades
Keller
Schmaltz
Crouse
1st Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Marner
Bertuzzi
NRobertson
1st Round Pick 2024

Tweaked my original post of a deadline trade proposal adding a bit more from both teams.
Cap is a wash so no Cap retention from either team.

Would a trade like this be good gor both teams ?


Thoughts ?

Believable2 Unbelievable19

22 Feb 2024 01:44:13
Easily, ARI would be better off with what they’ve got rather than this trade:

- the 3 ARI players are signed for 3-5 more years, whereas Bert is UFA at the end of the season, and Marner is signed for ONE more season after this.

- production-wise the 3 ARI players out produce the 3 leaf players.

- Marner is the best player in this group, but give me depth any day.

- based on years under contractual control, production, and depth, this trade makes zero sense for ARI.

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22 Feb 2024 02:24:00
There's no reason at all for Arizona to consider that. You're vastly overrating one year of Marner, a UFA cap dump and a meh prospect.

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22 Feb 2024 04:19:51
Marner > Keller (not by much)
Schmaltz > Bertuzzi
Crouse > > > Robertson
ARI 1st > > TOR 1st

would make no sense at all for the Coyotes.

- Keller (younger and cheaper)
- Schmaltz (younger, better and has years on his deal)
- Crouse (far better and proven player)
- ARI 1st (their pick is obviously going to be way better than the Leafs)

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22 Feb 2024 13:49:38
Memarcus & Casual are bang-on, Pinball.

You have your own take Pinball, and that's fine. But if you're going to post here and then whine about the feedback, maybe it's time to reconsider your valuations of your players?

Regardless, we're all just spit-balling here, so enjoy it for what it is.

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23 Feb 2024 16:00:40
Sure Pinball, trade the best Canadian player on the Leafs for a package with 2 Americans coming back in the return, just so Leafs fans can argue that the team is too American in 2 years from now and that they need more Ontario players.

Also what everyone else has previously stated, this trade makes zero sense for Arizona.

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21 Feb 2024 23:23:30
CGY-VGK
To Calgary:
2024 1st, Nic Hague, Paul Cotter, Matyas Sapovaliv

To Vegas:
Noah Hanifin (who signs an extension)

CGY-NJ
To Calgary:
Alex Holtz, Kevin Bahl, 2024 1st, Lenni Hameenaho

To New Jersey:
Jacob Markstrom 2m retained (4m x 3 years)

CGY-TOR
Option 1 = Tanev for TOR 2024 1st -straight up swap

Option 2 = Chris Tanev and Andrew Mangiapane (50% retained this year and next = 2.8 mill) for 2024 1st, Nick Robertson, Topi Niemala

Huberdeau-Sharangovich-Kuzmenko
Zary-Kadri-Holtz
Robertson/Pospisil-Backlund-Coleman
Roberston/Pospisil-Cotter-Pelletier

Weegar-Andersson
Hague-Bahl
Kylington-Pachal

Wolf
Vladar

This should secure a top 8 ish pick.

Maybe even focus on moving kuzmenko this summer or next deadline. Maybe even coleman and Backlund.

We need to be bad next year too for that mtl 1st round trade thing

Believable2 Unbelievable19

22 Feb 2024 15:30:43
Nobody wants to comment. Lol. Interesting thought of Vegas. Not sure about return but I’ll guess we shall find out within 2 weeks.

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24 Feb 2024 04:31:14
Vegas has zero in cap space, hague at 2,294,150 and cotter at 775k isn't enough to accommodate hanifin's current 4.9
New jersey has 653,703 in space, Holtz at 894,167 and bahl at 1,050,000 isn't enough to accommodate a retained markstrom at 4 mills.

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21 Feb 2024 21:31:24
I have a proposal that I am sure will never happen but if it did.
Wow !

Arizona Trades
Keller
Schmaltz
1st Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Marner
Bertuzzi
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)


Love to hear everyone's thoughts on this one, in my proposal the best player is Marner so no Leaf homer as I have been accused of in the past.

Believable2 Unbelievable16

21 Feb 2024 22:33:37
This is just another one of your lopsided in Toronto's favour trades Pinball.

You expect that Arizona will be doing cartwheels to give up 2 of their best players with reasonable contracts and term of 2 and 4 years, plus a high first for one year of a good but highly overpaid winger.

As never in a million years would Marner ever, ever extend in Arizona, or agree to waive to go there in the first place.

It may not matter to you, but contract term and dollars absolutely matter to NHL teams. It's just another of your homer trades.

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21 Feb 2024 22:39:10
I actually don't want to lose Bertuzzi. For the most part he's very active at breaking up plays and keeping plays alive when he doesn't have the puck. And offers some good hits. I think he will be past his slump come playoff time.

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22 Feb 2024 01:34:02
memarcusjoe
See how that response shows Leaf hate, in my proposal I am offering the best player in the deal, I keep hearing quantity isn't quality well quality wise neither of Keller or Schmaltz are in the same class as Marner yet it's a homer trade?
Please don't shift gears when it's the other way, Leaf hate without a doubt with that response.
Plus I know it won't happen at all.

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22 Feb 2024 01:48:14
Memarcus while I agree that Arizona declines and I may have misinterpreted what you said but to insist that Keller and Schmaltz are better then Marner and Marner would not be the Coyotes best player is a pretty ridiculous notion.

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22 Feb 2024 01:51:41
Lol. Pinball. Just completely ignore contract duration.

That's just being completely ignorant on how the league actually operates.

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22 Feb 2024 01:56:32
Brutal trade, and stop with the “leaf hate/ wah-wah-wah” routine every time you disagree with the feedback you receive on your Homer trades.

You had your day, and Memarcus gave his reply. He is right. Grow up, and maybe consider that based on the feedback you continually receive, maybe your trade ideas are one-sided and not particularly grounded.

“There’s no crying in baseball! ” - Tom Hanks

“You hate the leafs because you disagree with my trades! ” - Pinball

🚫 Whining.

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22 Feb 2024 03:12:17
Chickenfoot
memarcusjoe basically said Keller and Schmaltz are better than Marner which is completely ridiculous.
Saying Marner is a good but highly overpaid winger is complete bias, everyone is entitled to have an opinion but come on Marner is a top 5 RWinger in the NHL imo.

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22 Feb 2024 03:18:38
Vbbb/ Pinball, where did I say Keller and Crouse were better than Marner, let alone insist that they were better?

I said you're asking Arizona to give up 2 of their best players and a high 1st for one year of Marner, since he'd never resign and a cap dump that they wouldn't want.

There's no logical reason for Arizona to do that as they will continue to struggle to be a bubble team, so one year of Marner is meaningless.

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22 Feb 2024 15:55:32
PINBALL: Memarcus said that Keller + Crouse are better than Marner.

He'd rather have the duo of Keller & Crouse RATHER than Marner. Read for comprehension, and think before you post. Your proposals are embarrassingly bad, but your reactions to feedback are just plain embarrassing.

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23 Feb 2024 16:08:48
So to prove to everyone you're note a Leafs homer like you've been accused of in the past, you've come up with:

Toronto gets:
4 more years of Clayton Keller
3 more years of Nick Schmaltz
and a top 5 1st overall draft pick in 2024

Arizona gets:
1 more year of Mitch Marner
2 more months of Tyler Bertuzzi
a 3rd round pick in 2024 (somewhere between the 55th-60th overall pick)

Did I get that right?

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24 Feb 2024 04:33:22
🍿 🍿 🍿.

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21 Feb 2024 15:40:08
Arizona Trades
Crouse
Dumba*

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Kampf
Jarnkrok
Liljegren
1st Round Pick 2024

*Arizona retains 50% of Dumba's expiring contract.


Thoughts ?

Believable2 Unbelievable15

22 Feb 2024 01:57:50
Brutal

🚫💩.

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21 Feb 2024 12:58:11
Arizona Trades
Keller
JBrown*

Toronto Trades
Knies
Kampf
Jarnkrok
Liljegren
1st Round Pick 2024

*Arizona retains 50% of JBrown's expiring contract.


Arizona still in a full rebuilding process would yes be trading their best player but they will be getting Knies who was the wingman for Cooley in College and they played great together, Liljegren who is an upgrade on JBrown long term, and a 1st Rounder, yes Kampf and Jarnkrok don't fit a rebuild but especially Jarnkrok has value if they decide to trade him.

Leafs upgrade huge upfront and at LW adding Keller, JBrown is the type of Defenceman they are looking at as well, Toronto looked at getting Keller in the off season and I am sure adding talent like that is always looked at getting.



Thoughts ?

Believable4 Unbelievable12

21 Feb 2024 14:28:14
- puts the leafs over the salary cap, and ARI over the roster cap.

- inequitable transaction for ARI

- leafs still need a goalie

- Robertson appreciates not being included this time, but Lilly wants to be left out of your next trade proposal to enjoy a day off. (Robertson or Samsonov can sub in. )

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21 Feb 2024 15:30:18
We don't have the pieces to acquire Keller unless we are going to empty the prospect cupboard and a bunch of our draft capital. This isn't the year to go all in for the cup. We are a year or two away from that when some contracts come off the books and the cap goes up.

I doubt the Yotes are looking to unload Keller any time soon, rebuild or not. He's had some good years with a low high talent team. They draft smart and allow Cooley and him to develop some chemistry they will be a formidable duel for years to come.

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21 Feb 2024 11:22:39
WSH - Martin Fehervary, Nic Dowd & 2024 4th
TOR - 2024 1st

DAL - Jani Hakanpaa, Radek Faksa & 2024 7th
TOR - Tyler Bertuzzi


Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Max Domi - John Tavares - William Nylander
Bobby McMann - Radek Faksa - Calle Jarnkrok
Nic Dowd - David Kampf - Nicholas Robertson / Ryan Reaves

Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Martin Fehervary - Jake McCabe
Simon Benoit - Jani Hakanpaa / Timothy Liljegren

Ilya Samsonov
Joseph Woll

Believable3 Unbelievable5

21 Feb 2024 13:14:02
I actually like those but I don’t think Washington moves Fehravary.

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21 Feb 2024 14:31:22
- WSH & DAL decline.

- Dowd left with an upper body injury last night, but if he's healthy he'll definitely be sought after, and teams like the Rangers will definitely overpay to get him. If he's healthy I expect to see him on Broadway.

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21 Feb 2024 07:10:03
Stl - parayko

Tor - nemeilA, 2024 1st, knies.

Believable9 Unbelievable5

21 Feb 2024 10:58:37
It would be a huge mistake to trade Knies

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