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14 Oct 2018 00:47:21
Leafs-Oilers trade

Leafs get

Nurse
Puljujarvi
2nd Round pick

Oilers get

Nylander
Brown

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14 Oct 2018 01:48:38
I think Poolparty and a second on top of Nurse is a bit much coming from the Oilers, maybe picks and/ or a lesser prospect. Although again I don't think the Oilers can afford Nylander with how they have screwed themselves on the cap. Plus I doubt the Oilers can give up Nurse with the state of their defense this year.

14 Oct 2018 03:28:37
I like your username.

I think we would be losing too much depth of the RW in this trade. At 6’4” and over 200lbs, Puljujarvi is big, a big question mark that is.

Love the size of both these guys. If we lose Nylander though, we kinda need Brown. He brings stability at depth position that would be lacking with puljujarvi.

14 Oct 2018 03:31:20
Sorry don't care for the trade but awesome name.

13 Oct 2018 21:32:42
Toronto: Nylander

Montreal: Petry
Byron
I think it could be a good starting offer coming from mtl. What you think about that?

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13 Oct 2018 22:15:14
Lol. Dream on. That's a laughable offer that would be beaten by so many teams.

13 Oct 2018 22:57:09
Leafs can't afford to take on those two contracts. They would need younger cheaper pieces in return for nylander.

14 Oct 2018 04:16:09
Younger, cheaper and better.

14 Oct 2018 04:41:26
No jim just younger and cheaper. Two way forward that scores 20 goals a year and good 2nd pair right hand shot dman. You don't think that would be enough? If it was younger and cheaper.

14 Oct 2018 14:07:59
Byron would not make the leafs and Perty is far away from being a defensive workhorse who can log 30 minutes a night. If both players were 18 on a ELC leafs still decline.

14 Oct 2018 14:46:40
If they were as good as they are at the moment, and both 20 years old and on ELC, then sure. But That would be assuming they have potential to be a lot better than they are right now.

And just to put it in perspective, In the last 2 seasons Byron has 42g and 78pts (8PP, 3SH) He’s 29 years old making $3.4 mill. Connor Brown has 34g and 64pts (8PP, 2 SH) splitting 3rd/ 4th line duties. he’s 24 making $2.1 mill. I’m not saying Byron isn’t good, I’m not saying he isn’t worth $3.1 mill in todays league. I’m saying he’s older and makes more money than Brown, with a little more production. And if I posted Connor Brown as half of the return for a 21 year old Winger with Nylanders track record and his potential, I’d get roasted and, rightfully so lol

Think of what people say about Brown on here when Leaf fans post trades involving Him whenever a trade involving Byron comes up because the 5 year age gap and $1.3 mill wage gap makes up the 7pt difference between the players every day of he week. Brown is a 3rd/ 4th liner, and so is Byron. That’s not what we would be trading Nylander for

Picture this: Zaitsev and Brown for Sebastian Aho. Lol
That’s a top 4 RHD, and a player very similar to Byron, both are 4-5 years younger than the habs in This deal and both are cheaper than the habs in this deal. Can you picture the rants that would be spewed?! Lol I can.

14 Oct 2018 15:10:57
@VbB, Byron would easily make the leafs roster, but he would be bumping Leivo/ Johnsson out. You don’t trade Nylander to upgrade Lievos spot lol.

14 Oct 2018 15:38:34
Yeah ok. Lol.

14 Oct 2018 17:05:25
Keep drinking that blue kool aid guys lol. What a joke!

14 Oct 2018 17:35:23
Lmao. There's vbbs clueless biased homer self that always shines through. Byron would %100 make the Leafs lineup. Wow.

14 Oct 2018 17:35:43
Talk about another over exaggeration. Your back peddle will be funny tho.

14 Oct 2018 17:37:15
Come on Habby. You’re seriously going to start being a dick again over Paul Byron not being a 3rd liner? Lol what is the difference between him and Brown? He’s older, makes more money and has very similar stats. Brown was a 20 goal scorer at 22 in his rookie year. It took Byron till he was 27 in his 6th NHL season to do that. That’s not hab hating. That’s legitimate fact.

14 Oct 2018 17:44:07
Do you know who Joey Crabb is? He was the LW with Bozak and Kessel in Toronto one year because we sucked. That doesn’t mean he’s a first line player lol just because Byron gets opportunity’s in Montreal that players like brown don’t on a good team, does not make one a top 6 forward and the other a 4th line player in the grand scheme of things lol situationally, Byron’s a top 6 player. On 80% of the teams in the league, he’s exactly what brown is, 3rd/ 4th line wing with good penalty killing capabilities.

14 Oct 2018 18:00:45
Vbb’s is always drinking the koolaid but what was wrong with Jim’s comparison habby?

14 Oct 2018 18:38:00
So brown has never played on the leafs first line? And your comparable was the laughable part. Byron and petry are better then zaitsev and brown plus aho is better then nylander. obviously vbbb is drinking more kool aid then you today but your still having a few sips.

14 Oct 2018 18:40:42
Byron was 2nd on his team in goals last year what place did brown come in on his team? Put byron on the leafs he scores 30 and to think petry is not better then zaitsev come on man. That's just being biased leafs would give him away right now.

14 Oct 2018 19:00:32
Plus jim just cause someone doesn't agree with you I'm pretty sure that doesn't make them a dick lol. At least try and show some respect on here .

14 Oct 2018 19:27:06
just because 20-22 goals is 2nd on habs and 20 goals made brown the leafs 5th best rookie his first year, doesn’t mean they aren’t in the same class lol tell me, with stats to back it up, where this big gap between the 2 is. Because over the past 2 seasons, they have pretty similar numbers. Byron took 6 years to figure out his game, brown did it immediately.

14 Oct 2018 19:55:16
It's not hard to figure it out put byron on a line with matthews and watch his numbers go up up up. Just like everyone else. Take brown off the top line and watch his numbers go down down down. And if it's just a numbers thing how do you explain zaitsev being anywhere close to petry lol.

14 Oct 2018 20:30:58
When was brown with Matthews?! Lol and when was he getting top 6 minutes? He split 3rd and 4th line shifts for 20 goals. Just keep pretending to know what you’re taking about. Byron is Brown, except a slower learner/ developer. That’s what anyone with common sense can see.

14 Oct 2018 20:42:35
Also Petry has 70 pts -27 in hose 2 seasons, zaitsev has 49 pts -14 in the same years (first 2 in the NHL) while playing 20 less games. None of your arguments hold water. Petrys got better offence, worse Defense, but to say they’re not even close is something only you would say again. 4 years age gap and makes less money. Think about it.

14 Oct 2018 20:49:49
Yeah ok man let's just pretend for a minute that brown didn't spend time on the leafs top line that year. Paul byron was never the go to guy in montreal either so again what's your point? Or do you have a point? Or are you just trying to keep a fight going again? Let's talk about joey crabb again that was so insightful and important to the current argument. Get a life! Oh and change your user name.

14 Oct 2018 21:11:27
Here's one for ya brown scored 7 goals his rookie year playing on a line with kadri and komarov but then wait for it he scored 6 of his goals playing with matthews and hyman. And my arguments don't hold water lol. You don't even know who the players on your own team play with lol. And way to use the ole plus minus stat to your benefit ( the only time you use it) 3rd worst team in the league against a team that set franchise records in points who is going to have the better +_ hmmmmmm jim I think even you could figure that one out if you try real hard. think about it.

14 Oct 2018 21:26:35
Lol get a life? You’re getting all riled up like the hill you want to die on is proving to the world that Paul Byron isn’t a 3rd line player haha is that really the biggest issue facing you today? My name shouldn’t bother you as much as it does. Maybe you should take a trade-Rumor hiatus and come back when you’re more centered.

14 Oct 2018 21:28:24
The thing with brown is I’m not trying to say he’s a 1st liner or can have that production. I’m completely comfortable admitting he is what he is. Decent 3rd liner or real good 4th line winger who plays smart and can penalty kill. There’s nothing wrong with being that on a good team.

14 Oct 2018 21:31:09
If management, Byron, his agent or anyone else believes he was more than a 3rd liner, why would he just sign for 4 years at 3rd line money?!?! Lol he’s a year away from UFA, you think he’s a top 6 forward so he locks himself in for $3.4 mill when decent top 6 forwards like JVR and James Neal are getting $6-7mill?!? Such a fool man.

14 Oct 2018 22:23:11
Did I say he was a top 6 or did I just say he was better then brown. ahh I see. jim just lost another one maybe someone on here does know what he's talking about. Brown never played with matthews like how could you not know that? Lol. I think you need a break man it seems when you can't copy and paste something from google you actually know less then most everyone else on here.

15 Oct 2018 00:56:15
I have never copy and pasted something lol how is he better than brown? Explain. It took him 6 years to accomplish what it took Brown 80 games to do. He’s 29 instead of 24 and makes $1.3 mill more. Only in your eyes is that more valuable. Makes zero sense how he can be worth more. Find an example where a player is 5 years younger, accomplished the same and makes less and a team would say “I want the other guy! ” Haha.

15 Oct 2018 00:59:51
He signed for 3rd line money because everyone involved knows that’s what he is. Same as Brown. You don’t lock in at bottom six money if you think you’re anything more. I know you actually know that, just being a dick like I said off the start.

15 Oct 2018 05:06:18
Brown played with matthews in his rookie year and it's been down hill ever since he's been took off that line. Never scored 20 goals last year did he? Byron did. Doesn't look like he's going to get much playing time with matthews this year so you know what that probably means right? I will say this if they both score 20 this year without either playing top 6 minutes then I would consider them about the same. Still think byron brings a little more to the table. More dangerous on the pk and hits about 3 times as much being a couple things.

15 Oct 2018 05:36:34
And byron is faster.

15 Oct 2018 05:45:00
Why is he more dangerous on the PK? Quantify that for me. They both have 2 SHG’s over those 2 seasons. “attention all goalies, fear the short handed sniper Paul Byron, he has 2 goals in 2 seasons! Ignore Connor Brown though, he only has 2 goals in 2 seasons” haha so dumb.

15 Oct 2018 05:50:55
Brown has a better giveaway/ takeaway ratio lol who cares. It’s production/ money/ age. That’s what the league runs on. How many points? how much is it costing me? and how long can you do it for? If 7 more assists a year is worth $1.3 mill and being 5 years older, power to ya. Anyone else can see that they’re comparable players.

15 Oct 2018 14:05:00
But somehow 7 or 8 more points is worth an extra 4 mil when it comes to gallahger/ nylander. Pick a set of rules and stick to em lol.

15 Oct 2018 16:12:16
No. Both Nylander and brown are far younger than Gallagher and Byron. Meaning there’s a lot more growth opportunity for them. At 29 years old, Byron is what line is. At 24, brown probably is too. At 26 or 27 whatever Gallagher is, he could get a bit better maybe. But Nylander at 22, you’re going to pay him a portion of his salary for what people believe he will be. Much like Drouin. Drouin was not a $5.5 mill player when they signed him to that deal. But he was so young and talented they hoped he would be a $7 mill player soon enough and they would benifit. Again, not a difficult thing to understand for anyone but you.

And see, we have always disagreed, but you were always pretty smart. Which is why I call you a dick now because you’re just saying stupid things and pretending you don’t understand stuff that you’re clearly smart enough to comprehend. So your not stupid, your just a dick lol

Someone said they like when we argue so you turn into a WwE superstar and purposely get confrontational over nothing lol you listening to a walk up song while you type? Haha.

15 Oct 2018 19:42:17
I don't care for the wwe I watch hockey. Maybe if you were not so interested in that you might come back to reality and realize the habs wouldn't trade gallahger straight up for nylander.

15 Oct 2018 19:58:40
Lol 😂.

15 Oct 2018 20:15:55
yeah you’re right. They would never do that. That would make them better. They only make trades like Sergachev for Drouin or subban for Weber. You know, the type that turn a playoff team into a lottery contender lol Habby and Bergy just sharing notes.

15 Oct 2018 22:37:47
Yes hopefully that's the plan and we suck for 10 years and win a lottery then we can have a team that makes it to the 1st round of the playoffs too .

16 Oct 2018 01:19:21
Don’t be bitter about us winning a lottery. You said last year we made the wrong decision taking Matthews. laine was better lol remember that?!

16 Oct 2018 01:21:13
Or you just going to pretend you didn’t say that too? Haha.

16 Oct 2018 05:29:51
Actually I didn't but I did say you couldn't go wrong either way.

13 Oct 2018 17:31:12
Tor:Gardiner,Kapanen

Washinton:Niskanen(10% retain),Vrana

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13 Oct 2018 23:14:06
Kapanen for Vrana would be something to consider as Leafs are weaker LW than RW, especially after Marleau leaves in a couple years. We couldn’t do it until Nylander comes back though.

14 Oct 2018 02:39:59
Ya but then it's not fair for Caps. Vrana still has more upside and prove more then Kap.

14 Oct 2018 04:41:53
I guess the other problem I see is the salary. According to capfriendly, Washington has $0 in cap space left. They are maxed out. So asking them to retain some of Niskanen’s salary, plus they would need to re-sign Gardiner and Kapanen and whoever else on the current roster, they may not be able to afford this move.

Both Vrana and Kapanen have a high ceiling. I’m not sure who is the higher rated prospect player. I guess by the end of the year we would have a better idea. It may just be too early to make a trade on these two just yet until we know exactly what we have with both these guys.

13 Oct 2018 16:55:58
Carolina Trades
Aho
3rd Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
WNylander
Hyman

Thoughts ?

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14 Oct 2018 08:17:19
Why on earth would CAR do this?
Aho is better than Nylander and cheap for another year and will most likely re-sign in CAR for less than what Willie is demanding.

14 Oct 2018 14:09:26
How is Aho better then Nylander what’s your argument?

14 Oct 2018 17:59:56
Aho and Nylander are even really if you look at the stats talent etc.
Hyman for a 4th is a steal really but you have to do it because of Nylander's contract demands.

13 Oct 2018 16:42:52
Leafs trade Leivo
Vegas trades Morozov

I just don’t think Leivo has a future with the Leafs. Our pipeline is thin. All the good prospects have already made the team straight from the draft. We only have Liljegren and maybe Sandin who will realistically be making the team. Morozov is highly rated and was expected to go first round. For some reason he dropped to second round. Projected as a top six forward, he has performed well at the highest levels available for him and is a star performer on international stage. Would be a great prospect for Leafs to acquire imo.

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13 Oct 2018 22:52:54
To be honest, I can’t think of any reason why Vegas would do this. I was hoping to see what other people’s thoughts were on Morozov. Maybe if it was Brown we were offering up.

13 Oct 2018 16:27:54
Leafs: Nylander, 2019 1st

Canes: Slavin.

The hurricanes have quite a bit of cap space, so could pretty easily sign nylander. They are also stacked on D, and could use another offensive weapon. The leafs biggest need is on D, and Slavin is very underrated, on a team friendly contract. The only negative is that he's left shot, not right. The first is because D are worth more than wingers in today's NHL, and Nylander will likely get more than Slavin makes. Maybe the first is a bit steep, but the general idea is there.

Alternatively, the leafs could target pesce instead, but that would result in the pick being lower, cause he's not quite as good as pesce.

Thoughts?

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13 Oct 2018 16:54:34
There’s a lot to like about Slavin, but the thing I like most about him is his contract. The fact he is LHD doesn’t mean anything in my books. If Carolina makes this trade, Leafs should go for it.

13 Oct 2018 14:49:49
Carolina Trades
Aho
Faulk
2nd Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
WNylander
Hyman
Marincin
4th Round Pick 2019

If the Leafs do Trade WNylander this is the type of Proposal that would work.

Thoughts ?

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13 Oct 2018 16:23:24
Lmao aho with more then nylander faulk is worth a lot more then hyman and a 7 dman.

13 Oct 2018 16:29:47
Without even looking at value, just money, Aho and Faulk are going to want more combined than Nylander and Hyman lol Hyman is $2.25mill and Nylander wants $8mill.
Aho is a year Younger than Nylander, scored more goals and had more points than him. Faulk is a RHD walking into UfA and looking for a raise. Regardless what you think of him as a player, he would have the leverage to get overpaid by someone. You are not signing those 2 players for less than $10 million. My guess would be: Aho - $6.75mill and Faulk $6mill.

Now Value wise, Carolina would value Aho more than Willy anyway as he’s personally accomplished more by the same point in their careers and have the inside track on maybe keeping him cheaper. Also Faulk could get a better return than Hyman, Marincin is useless, and Carolina is adding the higher pick?! Lol no. And I think hymans valuable but he’s one of those guys that will never be valued to another team like he is on his own team. Every team has a guy or 2 like that.

13 Oct 2018 10:15:33
Columbus Trades
Panarin
Sedlak

Toronto Trades
Hyman
FGauthier
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional only if Panarin signs with the Leafs.

Trade Breakdown
Panarin
-Hyman
-1st Round Pick 2019
-1st Round Pick 2020 (Potentially)
-2nd Round Pick 2020

Sedlak
-FGauthier

I think that's a pretty good Proposal for the Jackets to consider.

Thoughts ?

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13 Oct 2018 13:12:42
Never seen this trade before. 🙄🙄.

13 Oct 2018 15:30:41
It’s Groundhog Day!

13 Oct 2018 06:48:04
Nucks trade: tanev, baertschi, lind

Leafs trade: Nylander, Hainsey, Johnsson

???

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13 Oct 2018 15:11:49
What a joke.

13 Oct 2018 15:45:59
I thought trades were supposed to be made with the end objective of making both teams better. And while Canucks improve significantly here, Leafs definitely do not.

Nylander >>> Baertschi
Johnsson >> Lind (though Lind May work out, Johnsson is NHL quality player now)
Hainsey ~ Tanev (because Tanev is so injury prone, whereas old man Hainsey is still a workhorse that is currently playing 1RHD) .

Leafs pass.

13 Oct 2018 17:01:51
@LG @ML

Cmon, Tanev>>>>>>>>Hainsey. i'd take this if it wasnt Johnsson and maybe a guy like Leivo instead tho.

13 Oct 2018 17:25:17
@topshelfslappers

Tanev when healthy may be better than Hainsey, I’ll give you that. But the rest of the trade doesn’t make sense.

14 Oct 2018 04:20:43
TSS, you would actually accept that offer with Leivo instead of Johnsson?! That’s terrible. I wouldn’t want it regardless which one of those 2 were involved. If tanev is the player coming back for Nylander, add good picks with him. Otherwise, keep tanev.

13 Oct 2018 06:32:11
Leafs trade Nylander
Lightening trade Killorn, Foote

Yes, I realize I’m dancing with the devil here. No need to tell me how we shouldn’t be trading with Tampa. But it is a rumour and discussion forum after all. Just looking to get discussion of the merits of each player and how this trade helps each team.

I think Foote is an excellent prospect and would love to have him on RHD along with Liljegren.

Killorn is a very good player.

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13 Oct 2018 06:38:53
Hit send by accident. So just finishing my thoughts here:

Killorn is not quite the same level as Nylander, and he is cheaper, so may have to take on Girardi, or more likely, Coburn, in order to balance salaries and make this deal work.

13 Oct 2018 07:29:47
Guess salaries would not have to be balanced for either team as both have cap room left, IIRC.
While it's prolly fair value wise, I guess neither team does this. TOR wants to keep Nylander and TB desperately needs Foote since he's pretty much the only good RHD prospect they have.

13 Oct 2018 18:34:52
Killhorn has negative value 4th liner or 3rd line plug being payed 2nd line salary.

13 Oct 2018 19:54:05
Vb you obviously don't watch teams that aren't the leafs do you? Killorn isn't amazing by any means but he's a third liner that can fill in on the second and is paid about market value. Not someone i'd lose sleep over losing but not someone i'm going to pay another team to take off my hands. Trade wouldn't happen regardless, Tampa needs Foote and Nylander would make it impossible to sign Point/ Vasi.

13 Oct 2018 23:09:05
@jns

If Tampa thought they could afford Karlsson, then they would figure out a way to afford Nylander if they really wanted him.

Coburn 3.5 + Killorn 4.5 + cap space 2 = $10M

Other than Point, no big names on forward group need signing. Bridge Point. A couple old men on defense that will be re-signing for less than what they currently make I’m sure, if they return to Tampa at all. Vasilevskiy’s contract isn’t up until the following year. Tampa could have something worked out by then.

13 Oct 2018 23:17:04
@vb

Try growing a pair and floating a proposal of your own. I put up something every day, good or bad, just to keep discussion flowing. Even when I know I’m going to take heat for it, like trading Kadri, Reilly, or dealing with Tampa. You don’t learn if you don’t keep trying.

 


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