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15 Aug 2018 19:01:58
Detroit Trades:
Jimmy Howard
Gustav Nyquist (50 % retained)

Calgary Trades:
Tyler Parsons
3rd 2019
Conditional 2nd 2020 ( 1st if Nyquist re-signs)

Detroit does this to clear cap and gain a young goalie prospect with upside.

Calgary gets a veteran 1B goalie t share with Smith and depth for their Top 9.


Who adds? Is it fair?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 15 Aug 2018 20:43:07
Calg can't add all that $$. Lol.


2.) 16 Aug 2018 18:49:49
@yupp That was my concern too.

I als forgot when I saw Capfriendly that they haven’t re-signed Hanafin.

Is there any cap they can send back? I know Brouwer was their main cap dump but he’s bought out.

Is the value fair otherwise?


3.) 16 Aug 2018 22:24:20
I don't see the Flames trading for aging guys when they already have a 36 year old goalie and they like their backup Rittich (? ) . And they just let older Brouwer go and made a trade to get younger on D and wing respectively. They have some good young players who are knocking on the door and will get their shot, I just do see them bringing in an old Howard with the two goalies they have now and an older winger when they just brought in Neal and Lindholm.
I think they would just rather keep that prospect. Also they can't fit that money anyways. But if they could I would say a big no from Calgary anyways.


4.) 17 Aug 2018 18:01:13
Parsons has struggled thus far its never a good sign for a goalie to be playing in the ECHL the future for him isn’t that bright and why would Philly need a struggling goalie prospect? Hart looks like a stud.


5.) 17 Aug 2018 18:03:09
Disregard my last post I’m not sure what I was thinking. I read the previous post and got confused.


6.) 18 Aug 2018 02:57:55
@yupp

You make some good points. Thanks for the feedback.

Just trying to see if Wings can get a nice G prospect. After Howard and Bernier it’s all just hoping that one becomes a stud.

Is there any other teams that might consider moving a G prospect with Parsons similar upside?


 

 

01 Jul 2017 10:41:18
Kinda had this idea in mind for my Red Wings looking to get Younger while clearing some cap space:

Detroit Trades:
One of Frans Nielson/ Henrik Zetterberg (Assuming they want a cup and willing to move on to get one)
One of Gustav Nyquist or Tomas Tatar (Nashville's choice)
Petr Mrazek

Nashville Trades:
Kevin Fiala
Dante Fabbro
1st 2018
Conditional 2019 2nd that becomes 1st if Nashville reaches cup final once in next two years.
Cap dump

Why for Detroit: Detroit clears cap space and gets young pieces for the rebuild that needs to happen.

Why for Nashville:
Nashville loads up on Offense to prep for a Stanley cup run with their already fantastic Defense. Plus they get a young goalie to help learn from Rinne and eventually take over when he is done(similar to Reimer for Luongo). Nashville takes a lot of cap but sends back bad contracts or asks for salary retention.

Is this plausible in a potential deal? May not be equal? Who adds?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 01 Jul 2017 14:30:53
Nashville doesn't need Mrazek because they have Saros.


2.) 01 Jul 2017 16:52:09
@KingsLover

Yes they have Saros but Saros wasn't fully ready especially to play Playoff hockey. Mrazek only has slightly more experience. I think because Saros isn't a sure thing, having the ability to run Rinne-Mrazek and then Mrazek-Saros in the future would be great to fill the goalie void so there is no future net concerns after the Rinne era.


 

 

24 Jun 2017 02:45:01
Confirmed Trade:

Philadelphia Trades:
Brayden Schenn

St. Louis Trades:
Jori Lehtera
2017 1st round pick #27
Conditional 2018 first round pick

Wow! Just wow!

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 24 Jun 2017 05:40:08
That's a lot for schenn.


2.) 24 Jun 2017 05:45:36
I think that is terrible for philly. Did they really want this Frost kid or something? I didn't get to watch it but I don't like the deal. St. Louis now has a solid #2 centre who also plays wing.


3.) 24 Jun 2017 06:06:53
Agree with not today.


4.) 24 Jun 2017 10:09:06
I think this move shows that Philly thinks Patrick is ready to play next year.


5.) 24 Jun 2017 11:41:44
I agree hattrick but Schenn also plays wing and philly is weak on the wings. I still don't like it.


6.) 24 Jun 2017 16:34:54
Don't like the trade at all for the Flyers. You took back a near 5 million cap hit that's a stiff ad 2 probable lower 1st round picks, and hope they can both do what Schenn did. Flyers are now a weaker team, Hextall's trades are poor at best.


7.) 24 Jun 2017 20:06:41
I'm guessing they are going for Someone like Neal, Chuck or JVR for the 1st line LW role.


 

 

17 Jun 2017 19:32:37
Incoming Trade that could be confirmed soon:


Arizona Trades:
Mike Smith (Possible Salary retention)

Calgary Trades:
Chad Johnson rights, Brandon Hickey, conditional 3rd round pick

Return and confirmation to come later. Based on tweets by Bob McKenzie

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 17 Jun 2017 20:15:55
Confirmed with retention.


2.) 17 Jun 2017 20:17:35
Honestly great deal for flames imo. They needed a goalie and smith is good. He's older but he can still play.


3.) 17 Jun 2017 21:43:30
Love it for both teams.


4.) 18 Jun 2017 03:06:47
I've always liked Smith.
35 years old with two more years and a NTC, see if it works out for them. He will be pumped to play for a new team now tho (even tho he absolutely loved all his time in Arizona he says) . $6.5M but I think Arizona retained about $1.5M or so.


 

 

29 May 2017 03:24:56
Bold kinda interesting option:

Detroit Trades: Zetterberg, Nyquist, Kronwall, +?

Dallas Trades: 3rd overall, 1st 2018, One of Niemi/Lehtonen

Why Detroit does it: Detroit clears cap and gets quality pieces to help the rebuild.

Why Dallas does it: Dallas gets a boost up front with two Swedish forwards who together add depth to Dallas's offense. Kronwall gives Klingberg a mentor and a veteran to focus on Defense while Klingberg focuses on offense. Dallas also dumps a goalie to make the cap less. Maybe they add another cap dump to lessen salary.This is to help for a cup run during Benn & Seguin era.

Please comment thoughts on value. Not saying this will happen(but possible due to Jim Nill connection) but strictly value wise.

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 29 May 2017 11:56:21
That package alone (especially considering age) does not land you the 3rd overall pick.


2.) 29 May 2017 13:32:23
Agree with Charles on this.


3.) 29 May 2017 16:09:40
Ok makes sense. It is definitely a bold trade and clearly not likely at all.

I kinda was expanding on @TopShelf
'S idea about Kronwall to Dallas to mentor Klingberg.
Maybe a smaller deal is more likely.


 

 

 

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06 Aug 2018 18:53:50
Value of Jonathan Ericsson:

Now: 2 years at 4.25 mill

or

One year later: 1 year at 4.25 Mill

A serviceable D-man who may do well with change of scenery. Most likely will be a depth veteran playing as the #4-6 Dman depending on that teams depth.

I personally think a comparable could be Alexi Emelin, veteran who is good depth piece but can't handle too many minutes. Just a nice addition to strengthen a up team's blue line.

What would get the better return in picks/prospects?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 06 Aug 2018 22:32:09
you can have the highest of hopes for ericson returning high. all i will say is paul gaustad.

sometimes gms go crazy.


2.) 07 Aug 2018 13:05:43
@ovie, that Gaistad one was bad lol but it was a while ago and picks and prospect were thrown around a lot more liberally back then.


3.) 08 Aug 2018 22:01:15
for sure, but even look at the deals last few years, good returns for marginal players and marginal returns for good players. stastny tatar nash kane. not saying ericson is on their trade value level but tatar and nash aren't anything special.


4.) 08 Aug 2018 23:56:10
Yeah true. Really hard to know. That Tatar one is tough too lol he was scratched in the playoffs multiple times.


5.) 10 Aug 2018 00:36:16
Okay, he wasn’t scratched in the playoffs lol.


6.) 10 Aug 2018 15:09:24
He actually was scratched in the playoffs, was he not?


7.) 11 Aug 2018 03:49:14
Yes. Just people apparently don’t agree lol.


8.) 11 Aug 2018 03:51:34
He was scratched 12 of 20 games. He was taken out for Ryan Reeves, then got back in for a bit when someone got hurt and then taken back out.


9.) 11 Aug 2018 04:49:45
Yeah I thought so.


 

 

06 Aug 2018 18:49:02
Hey, Been awhile since I was on this page but have occasionally kept up with the trade posts.

Being a Wings fan has been pretty good since the Draft by snagging Zadina and Veleno.

Just curious what the value is of some pending UFAs are that we have expiring this year.

Forwards:

Nyquist
Vanek
Frk
Witkowski

Defense:
Kronwall
Jensen

Goalie:
Howard

Please comment what you think value of these guys are either before this season or at deadline.

Looking for picks/prospects as the return or an equal level player as last resort.

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04 Sep 2017 22:45:57
Question for Winnipeg Jets fans:

Just want to know what kind of value from my Red Wings would probably be the cost to get some of the players from your team?

Not saying that we should pay the cost or you should give them up for cheap but what would their reasonable value wise be.

1. Kyle Connor
2. Jacob Trouba
3. One of your goalie prospects: Eric Comrie or Connor Helleybuck

Only real untouchables in my mind from Detroit are: Larkin, AA, Mantha and Svechnikov. Everyone else is available.

If one of those has to be included to get a deal done then I am less inclined because it may be counter-intuitive to our rebuild objectives.

So just looking to see possible asks from Red Wings?


Thanks

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 05 Sep 2017 10:33:16
Zetterberg and 2nd for Kyle Connor? I really don't see a fit but would Zetterberg ever compliment Liane. Zetterberg would be over a Point Per Game with Liane.


2.) 05 Sep 2017 10:34:53
Of course some of those guys need to be included, you barely have anything else of vaue tbh.
Maybe the Jets like Nyqvist or Tatar (I personally don't) and take one of them, plus a prospect and a first rounder.

But I suppose when you say counterintuitive for a rebuild, good prospects and 1st rounders shouldn't be traded either so I guess that is going to be tough.

I see at least 5 bad years for the wings ahead. Bottom 3 team while having a top 3 payroll is not deal. They need to go full rebuild mode and build through the draft, which they seem to be historically good at.


3.) 06 Sep 2017 09:50:06
You're not getting Connor or Trouba without giving up your good young assets. got to give to get. Zetterberg and a 2nd for Connor? Really VB? That's laughable from Winnipeg. Btw wouldn't say AA is untouchable, his contract/ Detroit's cap situation is the key in this. You guys wouldn't be able to resign Trouba. Wings are in trouble with their cap situation. Holland needs to go imo.


 

 

20 Jul 2017 19:58:44
Assuming Tatar gets a 1 year arbitration deal at around 5 million. He is most likely on his way out, so Holland will move him like a rental at Deadline. Since Tatar is still young and probably one of the better rental wingers available at the trade deadline.

That being said, what would the likely return be. I could easily see Tatar getting a first (15-31 range) to start and add from there being a bidding war for his services.

An example of a trade I might see going down:

Detroit Trades:
Tomas Tatar

LA Kings Trades:
2018 1st + Conditional 3rd 2019 that becomes 2nd if Tatar re-signs

Why Detroit does it: They clear cap space and get some draft picks for the rebuild. LA's first could either be a playoff one or not. So Detroit gets a 50/50 chance of adding a little more hope to the lottery.

Why LA Kings do it: They need more scoring and Tatar can provide that with a change of scenery. Tatar has played with Kopitar at the World Cup. So may be some chemistry there. LA Kings are trying to push for playoffs while they still have a strong core.

Not sure who adds or if too much? Or maybe there is another fit. Ideally I would be looking for a first from a team who could make the playoffs but also have a chance not to. So the ones kinda in between playoffs and no playoffs.

Thoughts?

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23 Jun 2017 20:44:03
Since there are quite a few Edmonton fans on this site, just wanted to get some ideas on something: (Side: McDavid looks like a really good player, hope he can take Edmonton back to cup final at some point, Especially if Draisaitl backs him up then you got a nice 1-2 punch if they can carry their own lines)

Draisaitl is primarily a Center and often played on McDavid's wing this season. Is his high numbers a product of playing with McDavid this season? Not saying he isn't a good or valuable player, just wondering if his numbers are inflated because of that which would make it higher then normal.

Thus leading to his trade value being higher then it probably should be due to that inflation.
Now if he produced close to similar numbers this past season on 2nd line without McDavid then the trade value should be way up with the high numbers because he did it alone.

If his numbers falter when not playing with McDavid, then his trade value should decrease and not be as high because he can't match the insane production without help.

Now I know age, contract amongst others play a factor in trade value. However I feel based on that Criteria of who line mates are and production that his value should be dropped.

Not dropped to the point where he should be traded. I'm not saying Edmonton should trade him because that would be horrible. Just saying in terms of value, he shouldn't get anywhere close to McDavid level value. I see it being somewhere between a Backstrom and Malkin level value range as an estimate of Trade value.

Just wanted to see what thoughts are regarding value. Not saying a trade or who he should be traded for. Just trying to see what he is valued at and if those factors are a fair assessment.

Thanks

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 23 Jun 2017 22:49:38
Yeah no one thinks he's anywhere near McDavid. And his numbers were definitely inflated due to McDavid. But there were lots of games and even stretches where he was playing better than McDavid. And he's put up some big numbers without McDavid even on the team.


2.) 23 Jun 2017 23:02:57
Obviously anybody who plays with McDavid will have much better stats. Look at Maroon. Played like half of the season with McDavid.


3.) 24 Jun 2017 04:59:29
I as a Habs fan probably over value him. but I think he's great!
Id rather have him than Backstrom, Kopitar. ect.
If only we could have him on the Habs. ya ya I know. never going to happen. But I can dream.


 

 

 

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18 Aug 2018 02:57:55
@yupp

You make some good points. Thanks for the feedback.

Just trying to see if Wings can get a nice G prospect. After Howard and Bernier it’s all just hoping that one becomes a stud.

Is there any other teams that might consider moving a G prospect with Parsons similar upside?

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18 Aug 2018 02:54:16
First Trade:

You are trading depth pieces and a 1st for the Avs best Defenseman. Not enough for Barrie. Also the Avs may be rebuilding on the fly like you say but the Avs still need good players to teach and hide the youth behind. Also Avs made the playoffs, they are probably trying to build around MacKinnon and not blow it up.

Second Trade:

I’m pretty sure someone on here literally said that there is no real comparison bar and Skinner trade shouldn’t really used as a comparable. It’s one thing to compare contracts based on similar play, doesn’t necessarily mean th trade values should be the same.

Regardless of th injury history, as a wings fan we decline. Those picks are also expected to be late now with all the expectations as leafs being cup favourites.

I do expect a better offer that doesn’t include fillers like Leivo. Or at least if there is a bidding war then I can see other teams beating that.

Main point- Nyquist won’t be a Maple Leaf. So you can forget it.

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16 Aug 2018 18:49:49
@yupp That was my concern too.

I als forgot when I saw Capfriendly that they haven’t re-signed Hanafin.

Is there any cap they can send back? I know Brouwer was their main cap dump but he’s bought out.

Is the value fair otherwise?

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14 Aug 2018 20:50:22
Also in regards to cap space, I am pretty sure LTiR will end up covering most of this.

If not then we will make a trade and get the return we like, so far I’m not loving the Leafs proposal you mentioned so don’t count on the leafs getting Nyquist.

P. s I looked up and found a fact that the last trade between Wings and Leafs was March 24, 1998


Not expecting another one anytime soon.

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14 Aug 2018 20:43:02
@Pinball

I was referring to Skinner having had multiple concussions in his history. He is finally starting to show signs of recovery.

Concussion issues even in the past still hurt trade value.

If h gets another one, then those many games played the last 4 years you mentioned are pointless.

I agree Skinner is the better player but doesn’t mean everyone else will sell for that low.

Also the Canes took this deal because they didn’t want to risk lowering his value, an injury or poor production would have hurt it.

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I think the leafs should have taken that deal. Despite how good Sundin is, they could have had a team instead of just a player for the future.

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Good signing. I wish Detroit did this instead of signing Quincey

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