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03 Nov 2018 04:05:16
Detroit Trades: Jimmy Howard or Jonathan Bernier

LA King's Trades: 2019 2nd (maybe add a 3rd for Bernier)

King's get a Vet Goalle to support their playoff chances. Detroit gets picks and cap space for rebuild.

Detroit signs Lehtonen for 1 year deal to back up other goalie.

Close? Which Wings Goalie has more value?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 03 Nov 2018 05:05:23
How long is Quick out.?


2.) 03 Nov 2018 14:01:49
Just had surgery. Months I’m assuming.


3.) 03 Nov 2018 18:43:47
I kinda think Kings should consider a rebuild, or a reset kinda thing
I know they still have Doughty and Kopitar, but it jus seems like there time as contenders has been over for a few years now ., and they have been holding on to the past glory.
They have some pieces that other teams would like, I'm sure. Muzzin, Kovalchuck? Ect.
They had a great run! . but I think it's time to change things up a bit.


4.) 03 Nov 2018 22:04:52
You really think LA is that desperate to give up anything for Bernier? Why don’t they just put a stop sign in net? Would do the same job.


5.) 04 Nov 2018 14:22:46
I think I read they might just stay with Budaj and Jack Campbell? Maybe see how that goes for a few games.


 

 

23 Aug 2018 15:31:25
Detroit Trades: Gustav Nyquist

Nashville Trades: Conditional 2nd 2019 ( Becomes 1st if Nyquist re-signs or Nashville reaches Conference Finals), 3rd 2020

Detroit reason: Clears cap space and Roster Spot for youth

Nashville reason: Gets a scoring winger to help add depth up front where they need more help.

Fair value? Who adds?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 23 Aug 2018 18:45:51
I like it.


2.) 23 Aug 2018 19:40:01
Seems good value both ways.


3.) 23 Aug 2018 20:46:22
I think that if the xondition isn't meet then the 3rd 2020 should convert to a 2nd 2020.

AT minimum Nyquist is worth 2 seconds. very defensivley sound 20 goal scorer50 point winger.


4.) 25 Aug 2018 04:51:45
Thanks for the Feedback everyone. I feel Nashville could be a great Destination at the Deadline go push for this deal.

@redwing1

I agree with that. Two 2nds would be solid, he won’t get what Hartman go but still should fetch a nice return. Especially if there is a bidding war for his services.


5.) 25 Aug 2018 06:16:06
Maybe more like a late 1st but idk.


 

 

23 Aug 2018 08:45:57
Detroit Trades: Jonathan Ericsson (2 years, 4.250 million)

New Jersey Trades: 3rd 2019 (ANA), Conditional 3rd 2020 (2nd if Devils Re-sign Ericsson)

Detroit reason: Clears cap and makes room for Hronek or Hicketts to crack the roster.

New Jersey Reason:Gets Veteran Swedish Defenseman to help mentor and anchor Severson. Fills the gap left by Moore and they have enough cap space to try him out for this year and next.

Is the value fair? Too much? Too little?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 23 Aug 2018 13:18:47
Don’t usually see ‘condition on signing’ with 2 years left. That would be entering his final season, deadline of final season or trading his rights after the season.


2.) 23 Aug 2018 15:40:55
Eww no from NJ, Wings are stuck with Ericsson.


3.) 25 Aug 2018 04:56:14
Thanks for the feedback.

@unbiasedjim You make a good point about conditions. Maybe the condition could be play related.

@Hotguybabes

Ericsson is a decent Defenseman who may succeed with a change of scenery. Also his term is much lower which makes his contract more tolerable. New Jersey also has cap space and a need for Defenseman. Adding depth like Ericsson for picks can certainly help them push to make the playoffs again. They may not go far but deeper defense can help get you I’m.


 

 

15 Aug 2018 19:01:58
Detroit Trades:
Jimmy Howard
Gustav Nyquist (50 % retained)

Calgary Trades:
Tyler Parsons
3rd 2019
Conditional 2nd 2020 ( 1st if Nyquist re-signs)

Detroit does this to clear cap and gain a young goalie prospect with upside.

Calgary gets a veteran 1B goalie t share with Smith and depth for their Top 9.


Who adds? Is it fair?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 15 Aug 2018 20:43:07
Calg can't add all that $$. Lol.


2.) 16 Aug 2018 18:49:49
@yupp That was my concern too.

I als forgot when I saw Capfriendly that they haven’t re-signed Hanafin.

Is there any cap they can send back? I know Brouwer was their main cap dump but he’s bought out.

Is the value fair otherwise?


3.) 16 Aug 2018 22:24:20
I don't see the Flames trading for aging guys when they already have a 36 year old goalie and they like their backup Rittich (? ) . And they just let older Brouwer go and made a trade to get younger on D and wing respectively. They have some good young players who are knocking on the door and will get their shot, I just do see them bringing in an old Howard with the two goalies they have now and an older winger when they just brought in Neal and Lindholm.
I think they would just rather keep that prospect. Also they can't fit that money anyways. But if they could I would say a big no from Calgary anyways.


4.) 17 Aug 2018 18:01:13
Parsons has struggled thus far its never a good sign for a goalie to be playing in the ECHL the future for him isn’t that bright and why would Philly need a struggling goalie prospect? Hart looks like a stud.


5.) 17 Aug 2018 18:03:09
Disregard my last post I’m not sure what I was thinking. I read the previous post and got confused.


6.) 18 Aug 2018 02:57:55
@yupp

You make some good points. Thanks for the feedback.

Just trying to see if Wings can get a nice G prospect. After Howard and Bernier it’s all just hoping that one becomes a stud.

Is there any other teams that might consider moving a G prospect with Parsons similar upside?


 

 

01 Jul 2017 10:41:18
Kinda had this idea in mind for my Red Wings looking to get Younger while clearing some cap space:

Detroit Trades:
One of Frans Nielson/ Henrik Zetterberg (Assuming they want a cup and willing to move on to get one)
One of Gustav Nyquist or Tomas Tatar (Nashville's choice)
Petr Mrazek

Nashville Trades:
Kevin Fiala
Dante Fabbro
1st 2018
Conditional 2019 2nd that becomes 1st if Nashville reaches cup final once in next two years.
Cap dump

Why for Detroit: Detroit clears cap space and gets young pieces for the rebuild that needs to happen.

Why for Nashville:
Nashville loads up on Offense to prep for a Stanley cup run with their already fantastic Defense. Plus they get a young goalie to help learn from Rinne and eventually take over when he is done(similar to Reimer for Luongo). Nashville takes a lot of cap but sends back bad contracts or asks for salary retention.

Is this plausible in a potential deal? May not be equal? Who adds?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 01 Jul 2017 14:30:53
Nashville doesn't need Mrazek because they have Saros.


2.) 01 Jul 2017 16:52:09
@KingsLover

Yes they have Saros but Saros wasn't fully ready especially to play Playoff hockey. Mrazek only has slightly more experience. I think because Saros isn't a sure thing, having the ability to run Rinne-Mrazek and then Mrazek-Saros in the future would be great to fill the goalie void so there is no future net concerns after the Rinne era.


 

 

 

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06 Aug 2018 18:53:50
Value of Jonathan Ericsson:

Now: 2 years at 4.25 mill

or

One year later: 1 year at 4.25 Mill

A serviceable D-man who may do well with change of scenery. Most likely will be a depth veteran playing as the #4-6 Dman depending on that teams depth.

I personally think a comparable could be Alexi Emelin, veteran who is good depth piece but can't handle too many minutes. Just a nice addition to strengthen a up team's blue line.

What would get the better return in picks/prospects?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 06 Aug 2018 22:32:09
you can have the highest of hopes for ericson returning high. all i will say is paul gaustad.

sometimes gms go crazy.


2.) 07 Aug 2018 13:05:43
@ovie, that Gaistad one was bad lol but it was a while ago and picks and prospect were thrown around a lot more liberally back then.


3.) 08 Aug 2018 22:01:15
for sure, but even look at the deals last few years, good returns for marginal players and marginal returns for good players. stastny tatar nash kane. not saying ericson is on their trade value level but tatar and nash aren't anything special.


4.) 08 Aug 2018 23:56:10
Yeah true. Really hard to know. That Tatar one is tough too lol he was scratched in the playoffs multiple times.


5.) 10 Aug 2018 00:36:16
Okay, he wasn’t scratched in the playoffs lol.


6.) 10 Aug 2018 15:09:24
He actually was scratched in the playoffs, was he not?


7.) 11 Aug 2018 03:49:14
Yes. Just people apparently don’t agree lol.


8.) 11 Aug 2018 03:51:34
He was scratched 12 of 20 games. He was taken out for Ryan Reeves, then got back in for a bit when someone got hurt and then taken back out.


9.) 11 Aug 2018 04:49:45
Yeah I thought so.


 

 

06 Aug 2018 18:49:02
Hey, Been awhile since I was on this page but have occasionally kept up with the trade posts.

Being a Wings fan has been pretty good since the Draft by snagging Zadina and Veleno.

Just curious what the value is of some pending UFAs are that we have expiring this year.

Forwards:

Nyquist
Vanek
Frk
Witkowski

Defense:
Kronwall
Jensen

Goalie:
Howard

Please comment what you think value of these guys are either before this season or at deadline.

Looking for picks/prospects as the return or an equal level player as last resort.

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04 Sep 2017 22:45:57
Question for Winnipeg Jets fans:

Just want to know what kind of value from my Red Wings would probably be the cost to get some of the players from your team?

Not saying that we should pay the cost or you should give them up for cheap but what would their reasonable value wise be.

1. Kyle Connor
2. Jacob Trouba
3. One of your goalie prospects: Eric Comrie or Connor Helleybuck

Only real untouchables in my mind from Detroit are: Larkin, AA, Mantha and Svechnikov. Everyone else is available.

If one of those has to be included to get a deal done then I am less inclined because it may be counter-intuitive to our rebuild objectives.

So just looking to see possible asks from Red Wings?


Thanks

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 05 Sep 2017 10:33:16
Zetterberg and 2nd for Kyle Connor? I really don't see a fit but would Zetterberg ever compliment Liane. Zetterberg would be over a Point Per Game with Liane.


2.) 05 Sep 2017 10:34:53
Of course some of those guys need to be included, you barely have anything else of vaue tbh.
Maybe the Jets like Nyqvist or Tatar (I personally don't) and take one of them, plus a prospect and a first rounder.

But I suppose when you say counterintuitive for a rebuild, good prospects and 1st rounders shouldn't be traded either so I guess that is going to be tough.

I see at least 5 bad years for the wings ahead. Bottom 3 team while having a top 3 payroll is not deal. They need to go full rebuild mode and build through the draft, which they seem to be historically good at.


3.) 06 Sep 2017 09:50:06
You're not getting Connor or Trouba without giving up your good young assets. got to give to get. Zetterberg and a 2nd for Connor? Really VB? That's laughable from Winnipeg. Btw wouldn't say AA is untouchable, his contract/ Detroit's cap situation is the key in this. You guys wouldn't be able to resign Trouba. Wings are in trouble with their cap situation. Holland needs to go imo.


 

 

20 Jul 2017 19:58:44
Assuming Tatar gets a 1 year arbitration deal at around 5 million. He is most likely on his way out, so Holland will move him like a rental at Deadline. Since Tatar is still young and probably one of the better rental wingers available at the trade deadline.

That being said, what would the likely return be. I could easily see Tatar getting a first (15-31 range) to start and add from there being a bidding war for his services.

An example of a trade I might see going down:

Detroit Trades:
Tomas Tatar

LA Kings Trades:
2018 1st + Conditional 3rd 2019 that becomes 2nd if Tatar re-signs

Why Detroit does it: They clear cap space and get some draft picks for the rebuild. LA's first could either be a playoff one or not. So Detroit gets a 50/50 chance of adding a little more hope to the lottery.

Why LA Kings do it: They need more scoring and Tatar can provide that with a change of scenery. Tatar has played with Kopitar at the World Cup. So may be some chemistry there. LA Kings are trying to push for playoffs while they still have a strong core.

Not sure who adds or if too much? Or maybe there is another fit. Ideally I would be looking for a first from a team who could make the playoffs but also have a chance not to. So the ones kinda in between playoffs and no playoffs.

Thoughts?

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23 Jun 2017 20:44:03
Since there are quite a few Edmonton fans on this site, just wanted to get some ideas on something: (Side: McDavid looks like a really good player, hope he can take Edmonton back to cup final at some point, Especially if Draisaitl backs him up then you got a nice 1-2 punch if they can carry their own lines)

Draisaitl is primarily a Center and often played on McDavid's wing this season. Is his high numbers a product of playing with McDavid this season? Not saying he isn't a good or valuable player, just wondering if his numbers are inflated because of that which would make it higher then normal.

Thus leading to his trade value being higher then it probably should be due to that inflation.
Now if he produced close to similar numbers this past season on 2nd line without McDavid then the trade value should be way up with the high numbers because he did it alone.

If his numbers falter when not playing with McDavid, then his trade value should decrease and not be as high because he can't match the insane production without help.

Now I know age, contract amongst others play a factor in trade value. However I feel based on that Criteria of who line mates are and production that his value should be dropped.

Not dropped to the point where he should be traded. I'm not saying Edmonton should trade him because that would be horrible. Just saying in terms of value, he shouldn't get anywhere close to McDavid level value. I see it being somewhere between a Backstrom and Malkin level value range as an estimate of Trade value.

Just wanted to see what thoughts are regarding value. Not saying a trade or who he should be traded for. Just trying to see what he is valued at and if those factors are a fair assessment.

Thanks

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 23 Jun 2017 22:49:38
Yeah no one thinks he's anywhere near McDavid. And his numbers were definitely inflated due to McDavid. But there were lots of games and even stretches where he was playing better than McDavid. And he's put up some big numbers without McDavid even on the team.


2.) 23 Jun 2017 23:02:57
Obviously anybody who plays with McDavid will have much better stats. Look at Maroon. Played like half of the season with McDavid.


3.) 24 Jun 2017 04:59:29
I as a Habs fan probably over value him. but I think he's great!
Id rather have him than Backstrom, Kopitar. ect.
If only we could have him on the Habs. ya ya I know. never going to happen. But I can dream.


 

 

 

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05 Dec 2018 00:57:27
This trade is so bad that I am actually tempted to take a trade from Pinball where it was Josh Levio plus 2nd for Nyquist.

So this is clearly even more trolling than a Pinball trade. Just saying.

Regardless, Nyquist will be traded for late 1st with retention or possibly 2 2nds if bidding is competitive. Wrists case if his value is low would be 2nd and 3rd.

This 4th might get you Nyquist'e beard shavings haha.

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25 Aug 2018 04:59:59
Would Howard @50% retained from Wings be of interest to Caps? Looking for at least a 3rd, maybe becomes 2nd if re-signs or Caps make conference finals

Also if they no longer want Copley, we can take him to play back up and help us get Jack Hughes (I can dream haha)

Another option could be Lehtonen, would be a decent back up.

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25 Aug 2018 04:56:14
Thanks for the feedback.

@unbiasedjim You make a good point about conditions. Maybe the condition could be play related.

@Hotguybabes

Ericsson is a decent Defenseman who may succeed with a change of scenery. Also his term is much lower which makes his contract more tolerable. New Jersey also has cap space and a need for Defenseman. Adding depth like Ericsson for picks can certainly help them push to make the playoffs again. They may not go far but deeper defense can help get you I’m.

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25 Aug 2018 04:51:45
Thanks for the Feedback everyone. I feel Nashville could be a great Destination at the Deadline go push for this deal.

@redwing1

I agree with that. Two 2nds would be solid, he won’t get what Hartman go but still should fetch a nice return. Especially if there is a bidding war for his services.

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23 Aug 2018 08:36:52
@UnbiasedJim

I agree with what you said. Although I may have been a little out of context.

What I was trying to say is that I read a single article that Liljegren was a potential piece in a deal that obviously fell through at the past deadline (forgot when it was) . Clearly that author knew nothing about hockey.

Now obviously one article does not lead to accuracy on the real asking price. What I will add is that Leafs did show interest so they could re visit this at the deadline again.

I know that Glendening a 4th line C and is not getting a stud D prospect like Liljegren. Just expecting draft picks and as high as the bidding war will take it.

However, I feel overall that my Wings won’t move him because we don’t have a replacement for him who does the intangibles on the PK and flexibility to move around the lineup.

Basically, trying to get across that I would prefer picks/ prospects over Pickard. Pickard’s ceiling isn’t high so just from a Red Wings Team need perspective, we would be looking for like Tyler Parsons, Carter Hart or someone like that. Not saying we will get them but that’s what we’re looking for.

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I think the leafs should have taken that deal. Despite how good Sundin is, they could have had a team instead of just a player for the future.

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Good signing. I wish Detroit did this instead of signing Quincey

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