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01 Jul 2017 10:41:18
Kinda had this idea in mind for my Red Wings looking to get Younger while clearing some cap space:

Detroit Trades:
One of Frans Nielson/ Henrik Zetterberg (Assuming they want a cup and willing to move on to get one)
One of Gustav Nyquist or Tomas Tatar (Nashville's choice)
Petr Mrazek

Nashville Trades:
Kevin Fiala
Dante Fabbro
1st 2018
Conditional 2019 2nd that becomes 1st if Nashville reaches cup final once in next two years.
Cap dump

Why for Detroit: Detroit clears cap space and gets young pieces for the rebuild that needs to happen.

Why for Nashville:
Nashville loads up on Offense to prep for a Stanley cup run with their already fantastic Defense. Plus they get a young goalie to help learn from Rinne and eventually take over when he is done(similar to Reimer for Luongo). Nashville takes a lot of cap but sends back bad contracts or asks for salary retention.

Is this plausible in a potential deal? May not be equal? Who adds?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 01 Jul 2017 14:30:53
Nashville doesn't need Mrazek because they have Saros.


2.) 01 Jul 2017 16:52:09
@KingsLover

Yes they have Saros but Saros wasn't fully ready especially to play Playoff hockey. Mrazek only has slightly more experience. I think because Saros isn't a sure thing, having the ability to run Rinne-Mrazek and then Mrazek-Saros in the future would be great to fill the goalie void so there is no future net concerns after the Rinne era.


 

 

24 Jun 2017 02:45:01
Confirmed Trade:

Philadelphia Trades:
Brayden Schenn

St. Louis Trades:
Jori Lehtera
2017 1st round pick #27
Conditional 2018 first round pick

Wow! Just wow!

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 24 Jun 2017 05:40:08
That's a lot for schenn.


2.) 24 Jun 2017 05:45:36
I think that is terrible for philly. Did they really want this Frost kid or something? I didn't get to watch it but I don't like the deal. St. Louis now has a solid #2 centre who also plays wing.


3.) 24 Jun 2017 06:06:53
Agree with not today.


4.) 24 Jun 2017 10:09:06
I think this move shows that Philly thinks Patrick is ready to play next year.


5.) 24 Jun 2017 11:41:44
I agree hattrick but Schenn also plays wing and philly is weak on the wings. I still don't like it.


6.) 24 Jun 2017 16:34:54
Don't like the trade at all for the Flyers. You took back a near 5 million cap hit that's a stiff ad 2 probable lower 1st round picks, and hope they can both do what Schenn did. Flyers are now a weaker team, Hextall's trades are poor at best.


7.) 24 Jun 2017 20:06:41
I'm guessing they are going for Someone like Neal, Chuck or JVR for the 1st line LW role.


 

 

17 Jun 2017 19:32:37
Incoming Trade that could be confirmed soon:


Arizona Trades:
Mike Smith (Possible Salary retention)

Calgary Trades:
Chad Johnson rights, Brandon Hickey, conditional 3rd round pick

Return and confirmation to come later. Based on tweets by Bob McKenzie

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 17 Jun 2017 20:15:55
Confirmed with retention.


2.) 17 Jun 2017 20:17:35
Honestly great deal for flames imo. They needed a goalie and smith is good. He's older but he can still play.


3.) 17 Jun 2017 21:43:30
Love it for both teams.


4.) 18 Jun 2017 03:06:47
I've always liked Smith.
35 years old with two more years and a NTC, see if it works out for them. He will be pumped to play for a new team now tho (even tho he absolutely loved all his time in Arizona he says) . $6.5M but I think Arizona retained about $1.5M or so.


 

 

29 May 2017 03:24:56
Bold kinda interesting option:

Detroit Trades: Zetterberg, Nyquist, Kronwall, +?

Dallas Trades: 3rd overall, 1st 2018, One of Niemi/Lehtonen

Why Detroit does it: Detroit clears cap and gets quality pieces to help the rebuild.

Why Dallas does it: Dallas gets a boost up front with two Swedish forwards who together add depth to Dallas's offense. Kronwall gives Klingberg a mentor and a veteran to focus on Defense while Klingberg focuses on offense. Dallas also dumps a goalie to make the cap less. Maybe they add another cap dump to lessen salary.This is to help for a cup run during Benn & Seguin era.

Please comment thoughts on value. Not saying this will happen(but possible due to Jim Nill connection) but strictly value wise.

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 29 May 2017 11:56:21
That package alone (especially considering age) does not land you the 3rd overall pick.


2.) 29 May 2017 13:32:23
Agree with Charles on this.


3.) 29 May 2017 16:09:40
Ok makes sense. It is definitely a bold trade and clearly not likely at all.

I kinda was expanding on @TopShelf
'S idea about Kronwall to Dallas to mentor Klingberg.
Maybe a smaller deal is more likely.


 

 

27 May 2017 23:17:49
Detroit needs to enter a rebuild and get some quality picks and prospects. Detroit needs to decrease play next year and not try to do the Holland's rebuild on the fly. Especially since Andrey Svechnikov and Rasmus Dahlin are two quality players Detroit could use if they can get a a pick in the top 3 by increasing their lottery odds with an awful season.

So this post is almost a fire sale to gather picks(Preferably 2018), and high quality prospects at all positions.

All players are available for trade except: Larkin, Mantha, Athanasiou, Evgeny Svechnikov, plus any of our prospects in the last couple years for the most part(Rebuilders don't trade prospects )

So please offer any trades from your teams or teams that you think would be interested in any of our current roster players? Retention and cap dumps taken may occur depending on the trade.

Please comment. Just trying to get a better value of Detroit players from others since I seem to be way off on some players( I.e Mike Green)

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 28 May 2017 00:20:11
I wouldn't mind Zenny to leafs as a mentor but wouldn't pay a kings ransom for him. What would you want from leafs.


2.) 28 May 2017 00:40:02
Mrazek to Cakgary? (MAF to Winnipeg? )
Please no Oilers fans say Green to Edm. Lol
Kronwall will retire a Red Wing?
Nyquist to Dallas? (If they don't trade for Eberle 😉)


3.) 28 May 2017 01:19:02
I could see Kronwall+Nyquist in a package blockbuster for the 3rd overall pick.


Kronwall as that solid mentor for Kilngy (both Swedish, one offnesive minded, one defensive minded), Nyquist to patch Dallas' hole on offence.


4.) 28 May 2017 01:35:59
Just curious why you wouldn't want Green on the oil yup? Is it his age? He's got one more year at $6, they can probably get him to resign for a respectable $4-5. He still puts up good #'s and I believe he's still a threat on the PP. Back to your question Datsyuk. I wouldn't mind a guy like Abdelkader on the leafs. The leafs could use some more size and grit. I wouldn't give up too much for him because he's 30 already but maybe a younger decent prospect would work for Detroit. Thoughts?


5.) 28 May 2017 04:19:50
@Nylander
I presume you mean Zetterberg. He isn't really up for trade or likely to be traded. However we can speculate his value. He still is productive and makes his linemates better despite his age and contract. I don't think Toronto would be the best fit since they may not be willing to move enough youth/ picks to get him, the Babcock connection may actually be a negative (not sure could be either way) and Toronto may not be a strong enough cup contender for Zetterberg to consider.
I mainly made this post to gauge value from other teams. So can you comment what is the max you would be willing to pay for Zetterberg and see if there is negotiating ground?


6.) 28 May 2017 04:33:29
@yup
A lot of your suggestions seem plausible in terms of pieces from Detroit and possible destinations, however can you add more detail in what you think would be a fair offer?

1. Mrazek to Calgary works from my perspective assuming we get one of Calgary's nice goalie prospects + a high draft pick/ prospect at least? Not sure if worth more or less then this but any Mrazek to Calgary trade would need a young goalie prospect coming back so the goalie depth isn't shattered.
2. Green will be trade either at this year's draft or trade deadline for picks/ prospects. Whether Edmonton is willing to pay for it, it's up to them. Also Green can be retained to maximize his value if needed. I'm personally aiming for a late 1st/ high 2nd as the starter in a deal or a very nice prospect.
3. Kronwall like you said may retire as a Red Wing. However if we consider him purely base on value and destination speculation. I would like to hear how other teams value him. I'm mostly looking for picks/ prospects. I seem him being very similar to Phaneuf (when in Toronto) playing more minutes then he should and makes mistakes often. Not saying it's going to be a Phaneuf return. Just their situations are similar. Kronwall would be better as a #3/ 4 d-man on a team looking for depth.
4. Nyquist to Dallas is certainly plausible. The Jim Nill connection may help that. However it's going to cost picks/ prospects or a nice d-man. I see Detroit inquiring about the 3rd overall pick and if they move Howard and Mrazek (they could take one of Dallas's other goalies as part of the return to split time with Coreau) . So Nyquist to Dallas is still plausible whether it includes 3rd overall or not? Just not sure what Dallas would offer. Thoughts?

That's my quick understanding of some options. Please comment suggested trade pieces for these or any other Detroit player.


7.) 28 May 2017 05:20:19
I'd offer Kappy/ Brown and 17th for Zenny-datsyukfan13

He would work well with Mathews.


8.) 28 May 2017 07:53:23
I would love ol' Big Z on my leafs. I'd give up this years 1st and brown, or if they wanted another prospect in the minors they could have their pick. bracco, johnson, liepsic, timashov.

Detroit is my second team and i have 0 belief thye will trade Z, he's going to retire a wing, honestly I hope he does as well.


9.) 28 May 2017 14:50:49
are you nuts . leafs would be the dumbest team ever to trade anything for Zetterberg. He is done, washed up. Maybe a 2nd round pick. Leafs need to keep all there youth. Brown may never be as good as Zetterberg But we will have browns 20 to maybe 30 goals for the next 10 years. let Detroit burn with Zetterburg!


10.) 28 May 2017 16:23:01
@Nylander @BigZ
I actually like both offers for the most part. I think Detroit would definitely want a 1st. I'd prefer Kappy over Brown. I do like Bracco as well but since he is less then Kappy/ Brown, I would want another plus on top to make up difference. However, personally I wonder if you would be willing to add a nice d-prospect in Dermott with this year's first. Would you be willing to do 2018 1st plus prospect? Or both 1sts (taking a guess) . Although I think from Toronto it's going to be higher return then others since its in the division.


11.) 28 May 2017 16:35:55
@TopShelf

I like this deal from Detroit's end and see it as being plausible as well.


12.) 28 May 2017 16:39:13
@Legion

Zetterberg isn't washed up yet. He still has a couple good seasons left. Also it's one thing to say you wouldn't trade Brown for him and say he has like little value so Detroit should be stuck with him. Zetterberg has other intangibles that help as a whole which could benefit any team. He has value and teams should be interested.


13.) 28 May 2017 21:26:05
What do you think of my Abdelkader to the leafs Datsyuk? What do you think the return would be?


14.) 29 May 2017 03:02:48
@NotToday

Sorry for late reply. Missed your comment about Abby.

I honestly would be happy with picks/ prospects, I hope Detroit fields him out to teams and takes the best offer of picks/ prospects. I know his age is up there and his contract so his value will be down but still it will be best bid. Can Toronto afford that? Maybe? I definitely see Toronto being interested since Babcock liked using him in many situations. However, he may not be traded because Detroit lacks toughness too. However he is available and would be happy to see him moved especially since we got Tyler Bertuzzi who could potentially take over.

Thanks for your comment. What would be the max you would be willing to pay for Abby from the leafs? I would hope for a nice prospect or high pick. So something around that.

Would the leafs be interested in Helm if they can't re-sign Boyle. He is a speedy defensive Center who can play wing, Maybe they would be interested in him too?


15.) 29 May 2017 07:06:05
I actually didn't look at the cap hit before commenting, I just like Abdelkader. I've always liked Helm too but the leafs are good with speed, they could use some size. Any player Babcock liked coaching in Detroit is a possibility. I'm not sure who the leafs could offer for Abdelkader. I don't know a lot about players until they reach the NHL.


 

 

 

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04 Sep 2017 22:45:57
Question for Winnipeg Jets fans:

Just want to know what kind of value from my Red Wings would probably be the cost to get some of the players from your team?

Not saying that we should pay the cost or you should give them up for cheap but what would their reasonable value wise be.

1. Kyle Connor
2. Jacob Trouba
3. One of your goalie prospects: Eric Comrie or Connor Helleybuck

Only real untouchables in my mind from Detroit are: Larkin, AA, Mantha and Svechnikov. Everyone else is available.

If one of those has to be included to get a deal done then I am less inclined because it may be counter-intuitive to our rebuild objectives.

So just looking to see possible asks from Red Wings?


Thanks

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 05 Sep 2017 10:33:16
Zetterberg and 2nd for Kyle Connor? I really don't see a fit but would Zetterberg ever compliment Liane. Zetterberg would be over a Point Per Game with Liane.


2.) 05 Sep 2017 10:34:53
Of course some of those guys need to be included, you barely have anything else of vaue tbh.
Maybe the Jets like Nyqvist or Tatar (I personally don't) and take one of them, plus a prospect and a first rounder.

But I suppose when you say counterintuitive for a rebuild, good prospects and 1st rounders shouldn't be traded either so I guess that is going to be tough.

I see at least 5 bad years for the wings ahead. Bottom 3 team while having a top 3 payroll is not deal. They need to go full rebuild mode and build through the draft, which they seem to be historically good at.


3.) 06 Sep 2017 09:50:06
You're not getting Connor or Trouba without giving up your good young assets. got to give to get. Zetterberg and a 2nd for Connor? Really VB? That's laughable from Winnipeg. Btw wouldn't say AA is untouchable, his contract/ Detroit's cap situation is the key in this. You guys wouldn't be able to resign Trouba. Wings are in trouble with their cap situation. Holland needs to go imo.


 

 

20 Jul 2017 19:58:44
Assuming Tatar gets a 1 year arbitration deal at around 5 million. He is most likely on his way out, so Holland will move him like a rental at Deadline. Since Tatar is still young and probably one of the better rental wingers available at the trade deadline.

That being said, what would the likely return be. I could easily see Tatar getting a first (15-31 range) to start and add from there being a bidding war for his services.

An example of a trade I might see going down:

Detroit Trades:
Tomas Tatar

LA Kings Trades:
2018 1st + Conditional 3rd 2019 that becomes 2nd if Tatar re-signs

Why Detroit does it: They clear cap space and get some draft picks for the rebuild. LA's first could either be a playoff one or not. So Detroit gets a 50/50 chance of adding a little more hope to the lottery.

Why LA Kings do it: They need more scoring and Tatar can provide that with a change of scenery. Tatar has played with Kopitar at the World Cup. So may be some chemistry there. LA Kings are trying to push for playoffs while they still have a strong core.

Not sure who adds or if too much? Or maybe there is another fit. Ideally I would be looking for a first from a team who could make the playoffs but also have a chance not to. So the ones kinda in between playoffs and no playoffs.

Thoughts?

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23 Jun 2017 20:44:03
Since there are quite a few Edmonton fans on this site, just wanted to get some ideas on something: (Side: McDavid looks like a really good player, hope he can take Edmonton back to cup final at some point, Especially if Draisaitl backs him up then you got a nice 1-2 punch if they can carry their own lines)

Draisaitl is primarily a Center and often played on McDavid's wing this season. Is his high numbers a product of playing with McDavid this season? Not saying he isn't a good or valuable player, just wondering if his numbers are inflated because of that which would make it higher then normal.

Thus leading to his trade value being higher then it probably should be due to that inflation.
Now if he produced close to similar numbers this past season on 2nd line without McDavid then the trade value should be way up with the high numbers because he did it alone.

If his numbers falter when not playing with McDavid, then his trade value should decrease and not be as high because he can't match the insane production without help.

Now I know age, contract amongst others play a factor in trade value. However I feel based on that Criteria of who line mates are and production that his value should be dropped.

Not dropped to the point where he should be traded. I'm not saying Edmonton should trade him because that would be horrible. Just saying in terms of value, he shouldn't get anywhere close to McDavid level value. I see it being somewhere between a Backstrom and Malkin level value range as an estimate of Trade value.

Just wanted to see what thoughts are regarding value. Not saying a trade or who he should be traded for. Just trying to see what he is valued at and if those factors are a fair assessment.

Thanks

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 23 Jun 2017 22:49:38
Yeah no one thinks he's anywhere near McDavid. And his numbers were definitely inflated due to McDavid. But there were lots of games and even stretches where he was playing better than McDavid. And he's put up some big numbers without McDavid even on the team.


2.) 23 Jun 2017 23:02:57
Obviously anybody who plays with McDavid will have much better stats. Look at Maroon. Played like half of the season with McDavid.


3.) 24 Jun 2017 04:59:29
I as a Habs fan probably over value him. but I think he's great!
Id rather have him than Backstrom, Kopitar. ect.
If only we could have him on the Habs. ya ya I know. never going to happen. But I can dream.


 

 

23 Jun 2017 05:23:32
Detroit needs a good young top 6 C, good young top 4 D and good goalie prospect.

Is there any team or fan here who knows of any surpluses in those areas that might be willing to move players to Detroit and what they think the cost might be?

Only untouchables I think Detroit has is :
Larkin, Mantha, AA, E. Svechnikov

Everyone and everything is up for grabs except those above. Although it will be tough to sell us on moving our first in this year or next year's draft without something MindBlowing coming back.

Some players I think may be a fit: (Not all have the same value)

RNH
Jacob Trouba
Matt Dumba
Can Fowler or one of Ana's Dmen
Douggie Hamilton
Philadelphia's young Defense prospects
Carolina's Defense prospects
TysonBarrie
Pulock, Barzal, Beauvillier from NY Isles
Olli Juolevi from Vancouver
Evgeny Kuznetsov, Madison Bowey, Jakub Vrana from the Capitals.

Goalie prospects;
Hart or Stolarz- Flyers
Parsons or Gilles- Flames
Fucale or Lindgren- Habs
Samsonov- Caps
Hellyebuck or Comrie- Jets

Please comment any other players that you think would be available from other teams and Detroit might be able to make a deal for . Any suggestions on possible trades as well?

Thanks!

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 23 Jun 2017 07:34:10
If you want one of the players you mentioned than you will have to trade one of the untouchables probably because that's all you guys have that has some value tbh.


2.) 23 Jun 2017 21:23:55
I'd just stay put and build threw the draft if I were Detroit.

If they really wanted to they could trade there 1st this season for 1 of those listed players.


 

 

13 Jun 2017 21:47:09
Since Seabrook's name is out there and his contract is pretty bad. Just going to speculate here a potential deal that may help.

Chicago Trades:
Brent Seabrook (7yrs x $6,875,000) age 32

LA Kings Trades:
Dustin Brown (5yrs x $5,875,000) age 32
2017 1st round pick
2018 3rd round pick
(Maybe prospects instead)

Why Chicago does it:
Hawks get some cap relief by saving $1million. They also get some young pieces to help the transition. Plus they take the shorter deal by shaving 2 years off. If they want prospects instead then they help by having more flexibility to limit cap troubles in the next couple years.

Why LA does it: La Kings get a veteran RHD man to anchor 2nd line behind Doughty. They take on a little cap now and the extra term but by opening a forward spot where Brown leaves and leaving the option to move a defenseman for the the scoring winger they need.Example trading Martinez for a winger.

Not saying this will happen. Just thought it would be be something interesting to consider from both perspectives. I'm guessing this can happen either before or after expansion. Not sure which would EB more plausible.

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 14 Jun 2017 21:15:22
Lol really bro?


2.) 15 Jun 2017 01:24:31
@HotGuyBabes

I'm not a fan of either team, just speculating on another team that could be interested in Seabrook and a possible deal. Not saying for sure Seabrook is going to be traded. Just speculating based on trade talk. Looks the value is off, does someone have another idea for this trade? What would it take to make the value closer?

Is it a value thing? Or a trade between Hawks and Kings being unlikely that's the issue?

Some feedback please?


3.) 15 Jun 2017 10:31:29
Brown is the most useless/ worthless player that can't be put on IR. Not saying Brown is actually useless because he's still a decent 3rd liner but at that cap hit no one will take him. Hawks will still be in Cap hell and all they'll get is a mid 1st. I personally think Seabrook will be useless in a year or 2 but still no way Hawks take Brown. Also would Kings need another Dman? Doughty, Martinez, Muzzin, McNabb, Forbort, and Seabrook? Idk just made roughly 0 sense to me.


 

 

 

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18 Aug 2017 23:19:05
@sbr2017

Thank you for this post and coming up with some ideas here. I do see why this may be favourable on other sides. I think value wise we are somewhat close here.

However, is there any other available prospects you would be willing to move with similar values. Detroit needs a top 6 potential C because behind Larkin it's a little up for grabs or a Defense prospect that could reach top 4 or higher potential. Just need wise they would be better fits. Nelson seems to be kind of what we already have in Ouellet/ Sproul unless they can step up, so seemingly redundant for us. Similar to what I said about Girgensons as we already have guys like Helm/ Glenndenning or even Sheahan who underproduced but plays strong 2-way game.

I see a deal being possible here, just looking for more need focused players while Baptiste is useful, just not a position that needs to be filled since we have options.

Any suggestions? Also would be willing to take picks if you can't meet the needs.

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17 Aug 2017 20:48:10
Also would Buffalo be interested in Rochester, NY native Jimmy Howard to help with our cap problem.

I would take picks/ prospects in exchange. It gives Buffalo three goalies but they could move the underperforming one. Howard when healthy plays well and might be a good fit. Lehner has been shaky at times so having Howard might a good insurance.

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17 Aug 2017 20:45:16
This is an interesting deal, I don't know much about Baptiste or Nelson to truly understand their values. Detroit's prospect needs is quality Centers or Defenseman because that's our biggest long-term weakness considering our depth of winger prospects.

Detroit has no need for Girgensons who is a 2-way Center who underproduced, Detroit has that already.

Now Nyquist has a NTC I believe, not sure he would waive for Buffalo while he is available for the right price as well.
Sheahan is available but since his value is low, may not love him yet.

Does Buffalo have any young current D-men or high quality D-prospects besides Nelson they may consider moving? Is Jake McCabe available? What's the ask for him?

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17 Aug 2017 16:00:39
I actually think this could be close to realistic.

Nashville gives up their best D-prospect, a young Center who plays 3C but might be an ok 2C and a late first

For a 1st line Center in Duchene.

I see these two as trading partners, however I feel value wise this benefits Preds a little. So drop the 3rd and Preds add something small.

This looks close considering the ask is a young d-man. Nice job.

@KeyHabs Montreal can't do that anymore since they moved Sergachev, so Duchene isn't your teams answe but it might be for Nashville.

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15 Aug 2017 02:26:48
Sheahan to Pittsburgh makes send and Detroit would be asking for draft picks/ prospects in return.

That being said, I am a Wings fan and Sheahan will not get a 2nd at this time. Maybe if he has a good start to the season then he might push for a late 2nd ( assuming everything works perfectly) .

Otherwise right now his value is maybe a 4th + small add
Or Conditional 4th (Becomes 3rd if re-signs or reaches a certain goal total)

So his value is low and Detroit may move him. Pittsburgh will be a good fit but he won't get a 2nd at this time. However he is still young, so he will get a 3rd, 4th or 5th at lowest.

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I think the leafs should have taken that deal. Despite how good Sundin is, they could have had a team instead of just a player for the future.

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Good signing. I wish Detroit did this instead of signing Quincey

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