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23 Dec 2016 06:23:38
Bob Stauffer (Oilers insider radio personality) recently commented about the Oilers looking at adding a scoring RW, preferably with term, either after the Xmas break or before the deadline (which I realize is essentially the same thing) . He didn't name any names but Stauffer has a dendancy to hint at things that end up actually happening so I'm wondering if something is already in the works. Many fans pondered bringing Iginla back to his hometown (ish) to finish his career, others reco'd players like Bobby Ryan. My thought was Gustav Nyquist. He's having an off year after a stellar one last season, but has proven he can score. Detroit may finally miss the playoffs for the first time in forever, and he has 2yrs left on a contract whereby a NMC kicks in at the end of the season. With Datsyuk gone and Zetterberg on the down slide of his career, maybe they are finally ready to restock.

Curious if folks see it as a plausible move, what it might take to get him, or if there are more viable options to consider instead.

I had a couple ponders, tho not at great length, re: proposals. They were:

To EDM: Gustav Nyquist
To DET: 2nd 2017, 3rd 2018, Griffin Reinhart

or

To EDM: Gustav Nyquist
To DET: Anton Slepyshev, Caleb Jones, 2017 4th

In mockery of Pinball: Thoughts?

Chirp

1.) 23 Dec 2016 08:01:26
Idk just seems like bits and pieces for a proven scorer in Gus. Need to give something the wings would actually want, i don't see them being great trading partners.


2.) 23 Dec 2016 13:22:31
You're probably right, BJ. My proposals are likely full of hesitation since I'm not going to be convinced that the Oilers make the playoffs this season until they actually MAKE the playoffs. A 1st might be necessary to get Nyquist, along with additional add-ons. That said, if the deadline is near and the Oilers are still in the position they're in now, what about 2017 1st, 2018 3rd, Anton Slepyshev for Nyquist?


3.) 23 Dec 2016 13:22:31
You're probably right, BJ. My proposals are likely full of hesitation since I'm not going to be convinced that the Oilers make the playoffs this season until they actually MAKE the playoffs. A 1st might be necessary to get Nyquist, along with additional add-ons. That said, if the deadline is near and the Oilers are still in the position they're in now, what about 2017 1st, 2018 3rd, Anton Slepyshev for Nyquist?


4.) 23 Dec 2016 21:20:07
DET would either want a top 4 D or picks and in the first trade they get picks and possibly a future NHL D. I don't think Slepyshev is someone they need or want. With the expansion draft coming it'll probably be a buyers market. If they plan a rebuild then I don't think it's too bad.


5.) 23 Dec 2016 22:52:17
Yeah I think OIlers would need to add the first for him and I think they'll sneak into the playoffs. Still seems a bit early for them to trade t away tho.


6.) 24 Dec 2016 19:56:23
As a Wings fan I'm surprised you guys think that highly of Nyquist, he's not very good 😅.


 

 

26 May 2016 02:12:46
To Van:
Gudbranson
5th round pick

To Fla:
McCann
2nd round pick
4th round pick


Surprising trade given the time of year. I personally think FLA wins it, but a decent trade for both.

Chirp

1.) 26 May 2016 02:15:27
Yes Florida wins it.


2.) 26 May 2016 02:16:14
it is a okay trade fla wins it but we need d depth and mccann the odd man out it is good.


3.) 26 May 2016 02:33:54
I absolutely hate it.


4.) 26 May 2016 02:34:41
Florida needed picks. Great trade by them.


5.) 26 May 2016 02:35:20
McCann and a 2nd. Seems awful for the Nucks, especially since they should be in rebuild mode. Almost as if the GM refuses that they need to rebuild.


6.) 26 May 2016 02:35:47
I mean we do need RHD but I think we could have gotten more. Not to mention we add a 2nd (hopefully the torts compensation not our 35th OA) but I just feel it's underwhelming.


7.) 26 May 2016 02:37:43
Who's going to play D for Florida with Mitchel, Cambell and now Gudbranson likely gone.


8.) 26 May 2016 02:57:31
Think Yak woulda been an option for them? I thought Petrovic woulda been the one to trade Yak for. What's McCann's ceiling?


9.) 26 May 2016 03:06:39
The more I think about it, it might be a pretty even trade. Van adds a big dude on D (decent, tho never lived to true expectations), FLA adds forward help but also a 2nd which could be used to add a prospect of Gudbranson's type. Plus I guess this is supposedly suggesting that Matheson is stepping into the NHL next season for the Panthers. And in reading twitter, it's sounding like this was an analytics-based trade, which is interesting.


10.) 26 May 2016 03:16:58
Canucks got destroyed.
Gubdrandson is a good defenceman, but certainly a dissapointment when was selected in the top 3 i believe. Becomes 3rd defenceman for Vancouver (their roster rn)

McCann is a great prospect, personally i thought McCann>Gub

Guess you never know.


11.) 26 May 2016 04:51:31
Sorry I meant 33rd*. I need to see more of Gudbrandon first. I wouldn't be to upset with a McCann for Gudbranson swap but add a 3rd instead and keep the 2nd,4th and 5ths off the deal. Why does Benning just love trading his 2nd round picks despite the fact that he's from a "scouting background"?

Every single year Benning has traded away a 2nd.
2014- a 2nd (Roland Mckeown) for Linden Vey
2015- a 2nd (Rassmus Andersson) for Sven Bärtschi
2016- a 2nd in the trade for Gudbranson
2016- a 2nd in the trade for Sutter
Dunno about that last one, but I think I'd like to have those other two back, 2 pretty good D prospects. Could be why our defensive prospects are lacking in quality.


12.) 26 May 2016 05:00:59
@Eb
I wanted the Oilers to take Petrovic in his draft year. That's looking like a bummer nowadays, he's looking like a great shutdown guy. I doubt FLA would be interested in Yak. Could see a decent D prospect trade for Yak out of CAR perhaps.


13.) 26 May 2016 06:49:55
@Chirp, really you don't think Panthers could use another winger? And yeah I think I'd be happy with that. I wanna believe Juulsen could happen but I'm not sure Yak would do well under Therien.


14.) 26 May 2016 07:01:33
Honestly, I was surprised to see the Preds trade for a forward in this trade. But after thinking about it a bit I suppose they do have a few older players that could use replacing so I suppose I kinda get it. But to trade for Yak as well on top of it? I just don't know what they'd trade away for him that Edm would be ok with, unless it's a dump and a pick or prospect. Jokinen and a 3rd? I dunno. I see Yak going elsewhere.


15.) 26 May 2016 20:03:29
@Chirp after this trade yeah it probably wouldn't work.
@Bud they still have Ekblad, Kulikov, Petrovic, Matheson.


 

 

26 Feb 2016 00:47:31
Ladd traded to Chicago.
That should get things rolling.

Chirp

 

 

25 Feb 2016 00:12:27
If Drouin is traded by the deadline, I'm going to make a low-percentage rando guess at the return:

To STL: Drouin
To TB: Schmaltz, Edmunson, 2nd


Better return if he is traded in the off-season. Rip away, though.

Chirp

1.) 25 Feb 2016 00:50:49
Remove edmundson.
You have a deal

Schmaltz is 1st pairing in ahl wolves will make top 4 jump next year and 2nd pick.


2.) 25 Feb 2016 04:08:35
@Colt55 (RussianTank) : Chris Wideman was the best defenceman in the AHL last year, and just signed a 2 year 1.6 million a year deal. AHL performance can be a good metric but means nothing.


3.) 25 Feb 2016 04:48:33
@sens1
Schmaltz will probably be Parayko v2.0 so he is worth $15mil/ yr immediately. And 8 Calders.


4.) 25 Feb 2016 05:58:28
Look at tj Brennan the numbers he puts up in the ahl but never gets to the show hard to judge people in the ahl.


5.) 25 Feb 2016 06:57:14
Congrats Chirp, you lost your virginity. Did it feel good? I see you had to come back and defend your performance though. It's okay, you can't please everyone. I know you've been waiting a long time for this, keep it up!


6.) 25 Feb 2016 13:43:56
Leafs17 funny ha ha ha ha ha

No you're not funny.


7.) 25 Feb 2016 13:50:44
Chirp @sens if you can't gauge a player by ahl performance or college performance or juniors poo erformance the how the he'll do we Guage a player. Guess we don't. Here let ne gauge by oilers standards. He was a first round pick so he holds infinite more value then his performance lol. Schmaltz 2nd for a cry baby player seems fair.


8.) 25 Feb 2016 16:12:01
You're just a rookie JF, put chirps pants back on for him and let him defend himself.


 

 

15 Jan 2016 19:31:06
To ARZ: Tinordi
To MTL: Stefan Elliott (just cleared waivers) and John Scott (all-star)

Not quite the return some of the duller Habs fans here had been saying he was worth.

Chirp

1.) 15 Jan 2016 19:35:49
Habs got the All Star forward they were looking for with that. LOL.


2.) 15 Jan 2016 19:38:09
Crap. Now Habs fans will say told ya so, Told ya Tinordi was worth an all star.


3.) 15 Jan 2016 19:44:50
Domi joining Team Pacific? Or is there an exception where someone at the caliber of Scott can play for another division since he's so good.


4.) 15 Jan 2016 19:56:59
I guess I have to bite my tongue on this one. Montreal did wind up getting an all star in return for Tinordi.

Sike. can't believe you short bus riders believed he would even come close to getting a decent return. What a joke.

The Montreal Canadiens, ladies and gentlemen. 5 wins since November without Price. Tell me again how they're a stanley cup contender even without him.


5.) 15 Jan 2016 20:09:20
Now how will MTL aquire Yakupov or Hopkins? Tinordi was always the key piece.


6.) 15 Jan 2016 21:19:47
The Coyotes Just Traded Scott and victor bartley to the tabs for Stefan Fournier and jarred tinordi.


7.) 15 Jan 2016 22:16:56
I hope this is just a deal that was done to open something up for another trade but probably not.


8.) 15 Jan 2016 23:35:09
This thing keeps trying to correct me. It was supposed to say Habs.


 

 

 

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12 Mar 2019 04:34:28
So Morgan Reilly shouted a homophobic slur at a ref, eh? Real nice.
No place for that s**t.

Chirp

1.) 12 Mar 2019 05:33:19
So what do you think the punishment should be.
Unfortunately, I can see this being a way bigger story than it should be.


2.) 12 Mar 2019 05:58:41
Never a dull moment in leaf land.


3.) 12 Mar 2019 07:57:36
2 games minimum.
At the very least.


4.) 12 Mar 2019 12:03:52
If he did that's awful and certainty reprehensible. Not sure he did though, so I will wait and see what the investigation determines before I throw him under the bus.

I watched the clip this morning and whatever he says he directed towards the ref and he was not far from the official when he said it. If he did use a slur, I don't see why the ref would not have blown it dead and called a penalty right then and there (there's no way he would not have heard what he said if he was not hearing impaired) .


5.) 12 Mar 2019 12:25:42
I see the “no penalty he didn’t do it” excuse a lot and to me that’s bull. Refs don’t call everything, and I’ll take flack for saying it but they call less non-obvious stuff against O6 teams and trailing teams. Leafs were both. We also don’t know that refs tolerance for things before calling an unsportsmanlike and it’s entirely possible the ref is old school and didn’t see it as an issue. I’m sure those slurs get used fairly often every game difference here is it got caught on mic.


6.) 12 Mar 2019 14:52:30
Actually original 6 conspiracy guy. These type of slurs do not get used fairly often every game. 20 years ago they did but not anymore.


7.) 12 Mar 2019 16:35:46
the problem is people jump to conclusions ESPECIALLLY because mo is a lead, easy target. watch the video again, it sounds like two different people and one says ‘rag it’.

the easiest way to deal with it is to question the ref, Yanni Gourde and Mo, each of which are apart of it. cause if it was rag it, then it was a TB player from the bench, but if the ref says otherwise, then its kinda conclusive. but really, even if they don't call it, the ref wouldve 150% talked to mo during tv timeouts, etc and we wouldve seen. either the ref didn't care (which of itself is bad then) or it never happened.

all ill say is, don't jump to conclusions or whatever, well see what the imvestigation deems.


8.) 12 Mar 2019 16:56:20
Habby just because you don’t hear it doesn’t mean it’s not used. The game still has a long ways to go to with this stuff and that’s no secret. It’s never announced that a player said these things when punishment is handed out, it’s always that the comment is made public first then punishment. To me that shows that it happens they just don't do anything about it unless it goes public. The game has come a long way, but we aren’t at a point where its a rarity. The fact that when the video came out initial assumptions and reactions was that a slur was said says a lot about where we sit.


9.) 12 Mar 2019 17:00:34
Well there ya go. Just a strange coincidence and refuted by all parties involved, including the ref and Tampa players (NHL official statement) .

Chirp, you can go ahead and mail your apology to Morgan at "555 Don't Jump to Conclusions Lane".


10.) 12 Mar 2019 17:01:38
Now the Leafs can go back to worrying about how badly Tampa spanked them last night.


11.) 12 Mar 2019 20:01:36
It must be just a Tampa thing then man cause I can assure you the amount of slurs like this have dramatically decreased in the last 10 years almost to the point where they are never mentioned at an nhl game. Just like Reilly didn't say it last night.


12.) 12 Mar 2019 23:39:47
Habby how can you say and guarantee that? Homophobia and slurs is still a thing that NHL and sports and general need to deal with. There’s a reason there are no out NHL players and that reason is not that there are no gay NHL players. In 2017 Getzlaf was fined for inappropriate conduct. In 2016 Shaw for a homophobic slur. In Toronto baseball there was Pillar last year and Yunel Escobar in 2012. I grew up when people used gay as an insult, and I know some people that didn’t stop. I’m 26, it’s not like this is previous generation behaviour that was never ingrained in current players.


13.) 13 Mar 2019 04:41:57
I'd bet everything I have homophobic slurs are down at least 80% over the last 10 years. in the NHL AHL and CHL.


14.) 13 Mar 2019 12:08:44
Based on what though? Your opinion? I would have bet everything I had that nobody would throw a banana at Wayne Simmonds in Canada but that happened. I’d have bet everything that nobody would write a slur in their eyeblack, enter Yunel. Even if it is, down 80% from the most common chirp in the game still likely puts it at multiple times a game. Look at any thread for a pride night and you’ll see that hockey and it’s oldschool mentality is far from a haven for acceptance.


15.) 13 Mar 2019 14:30:50
Of course chirp is the first person to jump on anything involving the leafs. Glad to have you back chirpy. Worry about your own team, they’re looking like a real nhl team right now, kind of.


16.) 13 Mar 2019 15:43:33
Yeah the banana toss which was 1 guy out of 15000 which is close to the same percentage of players who still use gay slurs on the ice.


17.) 13 Mar 2019 19:18:59
You haven’t given anything to show it’s uncommon practice, or that it isn’t an issue like you’re claiming. You claim 1/ 15000? The fact that 2 players have been disciplined in the past 3 years proves that to be false, and that’s just based on discipline. Unless you have something other than ego to go against all of the evidence it’s still a problem there’s really no point in continuing this conversation. You have literally nothing to base it on.


18.) 13 Mar 2019 19:34:38
The fact that 2 players have been disciplined in the last 3 years can just as easily show that since they cracked down on it they are the only two who have got caught doing it, so maybe tts an even greater ratio then I said maybe it's about 1/ 150000. I will tell you this if you had of went to games in the 80s or 90s you would have heard these types of slurs at least 3 times a game. I can remember one particular game I heard the F word used at least 20 times in the span of about 3 minutes it was a you are, no you are exchange between two guys that started on the ice and followed them to the penalty box. And most of the fans who also heard it laughed it off. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen today.


19.) 13 Mar 2019 19:42:39
There is a reason we didn't see 200 suspensions a year in the nhl back then and it was that nobody cared like they do today. That argument is dumb that two people in 3 years have been disciplined for it lol that's exactly why it doesn't happen now because their are consequences for doing it. Ask yourself this, why wouldn't you just call another player one of the 1000 other things you could call him to put him down then to risk a fine and suspension by calling him a homophobic slur. Seems like a pretty easy decision to me. Like everything else when set rules are put in place to stop things like this they work every time. It doesn't stop it all but it stops a lot history can prove that, I don't need to.


20.) 14 Mar 2019 18:35:05
1. I don’t apologize for anything. I read an article and responded to its content.

2. @Leafs17, I’m going to talk about whatever I want. Not sure why you think taking jabs at the Oilers is hurtful to me, I have nothing to do with the team. 😂
Unlike you I can separate fantasy from reality.


21.) 14 Mar 2019 18:56:17
Leafs17 is the biggest baby on here when you talk about his Leafs. If you mention a bad thing about the Leafs you should be expecting to hear from him about his hurt feelings.


22.) 14 Mar 2019 23:31:40
I dunno what you guys heard. but I didn't hear Rag it. honestly, I could care less. it's a term lots of people say and use. to many damn hurt feelings in the world. Ect. I absolutely detest the racial slurs. but this. meh . who cares .


23.) 15 Mar 2019 00:09:30
Seriously? 🤦🏼‍♂️
Well, sosa just went down a whole lotta pegs.
Wtf does someone need to be calling another person that word? Hmmm? Defend it, I dare you.
It should be equal to racial epithets, not shrugged off like you did. Caustic language that brews divide amongst people. Nobody is trying to convert you, sosa, you can relax. 🙄.


24.) 15 Mar 2019 00:43:20
I’ll defend the leafs when I feel need be, just like you defended the worst GM in the league for months. I’m glad chirpy and yupper are back together again, you guys are cute.


25.) 15 Mar 2019 00:57:12
Is that what there using to defend him? He said rag it? It’s seems very unlikely that’s what he said.


26.) 15 Mar 2019 12:09:09
No ebs they are not suggesting he said it. Rielly is yelling at the ref complaining that he was "f-ing hooked" (there's no debate there) . But almost simultaneously someone on the Tampa bench is yelling rag it to the Tampa forward with the puck in the Leafs zone (it's a term basically meaning kill time / stick-handle around with the puck which makes sense as the Leafs were on the power play) .

Everyone (refs, Leafs and even Tampa players) have been adamant that's what happened. Which is actually more plausible that Rielly directing a slur at an official from 5 feet away and not at least getting a penalty (and in all likelihood an immediate ejection) .


27.) 15 Mar 2019 15:19:17
Okay that sounds a lot better. Sucks that this blew up before anyone knew what really happened though.


28.) 15 Mar 2019 19:22:18
That's the age we're living in unfortunately. Keyboard warriors being quick to judge.


 

 

05 Mar 2019 01:18:38
How is no one talking about the fact that Draisaitl could legit win the Richard trophy this year? I don't mean here, I mean anywhere. Scored again tonight, he's been on an absolute tear lately, and is only 4 back of OV. Came outta nowhere.

Oilers have their problems, obv, and McD is the face of the franchise, but try telling Draisaitl that. He's been unreal this season.

Chirp

1.) 05 Mar 2019 05:03:36
Yep and he was my fav player from his draft year and I was the only one on here that said they would have took him with the 1st overall pick. I still stand by that and he is by far my favourite forward on the oilers.


2.) 06 Mar 2019 23:10:23
I wonder if Jim still think he's overpaid. Lol. Three straight seasons with 70+ points now. Guys a beast with or without McDavid.


3.) 07 Mar 2019 15:30:30
Of course Jim still thinks he's overpaid he doesn't play for the leafs.


4.) 07 Mar 2019 16:51:48
I don’t know if Jim ever said he was overpaid, maybe he did I’m not sure. But I will say I think he should have signed a lot closer to his comparables. If he signed for 7.5M he would be way on the high end of his comparables.


5.) 07 Mar 2019 18:30:48
Yeah he said he was over paid by his comparable so which is pretty well the same thing. He also said things like Connor brown is a better player then Andrew shaw and Brandon sadd is more physical then pacioretty. But the worst thing he ever said was how he hated people using 2nd accounts on here and pretending to be someone else. But then turn around and do it himself. Actually even worse he then turned around and blamed me for doing it when it was him all along.


 

 

04 Mar 2019 07:50:39
Any DC-local Caps fans on here? Anyone know a good place for a bite and a beer near Capital One Arena? Seeing a Flyers/Caps game there in late March.

Chirp

1.) 05 Mar 2019 04:32:51
Looove that he stepped up and shut some people up when McDavid was sick/ suspended. When he gets on a heater he can be as good or better than McDavid.
Still though two of the best players in the league having career years, along with RNH and Nurse having career years and the Oil will still miss the playoffs probably….


2.) 05 Mar 2019 05:05:12
But does he supply a bite and a beer?


3.) 05 Mar 2019 08:11:24
Eb, you tramp, reply to the right messages! 😂

Sorry for my language, just wanted to be annoying.


4.) 05 Mar 2019 19:27:26
Wow. no excuses for that. My apologies. Ummmm. last resort track down a hooters 😂.


 

 

06 Jul 2017 14:20:45
Peter Chiarelli said on record in the evening of July 1st that Oilers have had some talks with other teams about possible trades. I haven't kept up with recent Oilers news all too much, has any info slipped around regarding what sort of trades he was speaking of? Any names shown up in media? Kinda curious what position he'd be looking at. Most likely seems like it would be 6/7D (likely RHD) or 3rd line C. I know Cody Eakin was a supposed target, curious if they may be chatting with Vegas about him. Also wondering who it is Edm might be offering up in any possible trades.

Chirp

1.) 06 Jul 2017 15:20:54
Haven't heard anything in the last few days.


2.) 06 Jul 2017 15:49:25
I read that Strome told Chiarelli that's he's more comfortable at C. Might possibly mean there not looking for a 3 C.


3.) 06 Jul 2017 15:50:15
Heard rumblings about a gallahger for RNH trade.


4.) 06 Jul 2017 16:26:02
Not enough for RNH unfortunately, would have to add to that for sure - then again, EDM did take DD for some reason. Gallager would help with the RW depth, but don't know if EDM would be looking for that kind of pest. I'd rather give up Shaw and a prospect/ picks.


5.) 06 Jul 2017 18:34:44
The difference in contracts make a lot of difference mtl might have to add something small but it wouldn't have to be a lot.


6.) 06 Jul 2017 19:09:16
After comparing the two of them, they are actually pretty close, biggest difference is still position. Centers have more value than wingers.


 

 

03 May 2017 00:57:43
Good god, Don Cherry is an old bitter dementia-ridden quack. How is that bent twig still on tv? Ron McLean looks in pain trying to follow along with the utter gibberish spewing from that old farts slobbering mouth.

Chirp

1.) 03 May 2017 04:29:53
. wha?

You come up with insults I wouldn't even come up with if i tried.

''Dementia-ridden quack''.
''bent twig''
''utter gibberish spewing from that old farts slobbering mouth. ''

Chirp.
Chirp.
Chirp.


2.) 03 May 2017 08:12:48
Lol Barrie 😂.


3.) 03 May 2017 20:34:39
He is one of if not the most respected spokesmen for the NHL I personally enjoy his show.


4.) 05 May 2017 03:23:18
Well you personally think Marner is worth Patty Kane so that's not saying much bud.


5.) 05 May 2017 10:50:55
Why does that not surprise me, VB?


 

 

 

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14 Jun 2018 03:42:08
Scouts have been quoted saying Dahlin is the best defenseman they’ve seen in decades. Comparable to Lidstrom. LIDSTROM. You can’t actually think a package where the highlight is Hoffman would even be considered, can you?

Dahlin is a #1D on any team in the league. Posting trades for him is just a waste of time, it’s not going to happen.

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19 Jul 2017 14:17:45
@Vancity: Drai+? No. I agree that the OP is absurd but Drai is making a name for himself and is younger. Straight up is more reasonable but I'd rather Edm keeps Drai.

As for the proposal, Klefbom or Larsson would need to be added by Edm, and possibly a prospect like Benson. In other words, FAR too much to make Isles bite. Would ruin what Edm has going. Trade makes no sense for Edm.

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17 Jul 2017 21:43:06
HAHAHAH!
This can't be a legit proposal, can it? The top 2 Philly players for overpaid Phaneuf and scraps? Giroux AND Voracek would start with Chabot, plain and simple.

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17 Jul 2017 21:40:52
I don't foresee any further tweaks to the Oilers lineup in the near future. They took grand steps last season, made some minor lineup changes earlier this off-season, and can still afford RNH as a 2/ 3C under the current cap so why mess with what was working last season? They're entering playoff mode and moving a two-way C of RNH's calibre would be foolhardy. Maybe next off-season they explore options but RNH will be an Oiler this season barring a very solid proposal (which this one is not) .

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17 Jul 2017 21:36:37
Wennberg is CBJs 1/ 2C. This would make them exponentially weaker at C than they already are. Horrible trade for them, it's completely one-sided for MTL.

Chirp

 

 

 

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Every comment I make is reasonable, it's the readers of said comments who are wrong. :P

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This 88 fella sounds like a real winner.

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I've thought the same from the beginning. He may get a decent player in the return (SJ seems like a recent rumored interest so let's say Hertl), but beyond that I'd pin the remainder on a 3/4 young player, a B-prospect, and a 2nd. At best.

Kessel is a one-D player (deny it all you want, leafs fans, it's still true), he has a monster contract that could hurt a team down the line, and is coming off a not so great season where his value has dropped a bit. If SJ offered up Hertl and those other pieces, I'd take it as Nonis. I don't see a 2015 1st coming from a team for Kessel, and only a 2016 1st being up for grabs unless I'm a team like the Wings who really don't need a 1st round pick to build a team.

Disagree all you want, at least I defend my position.

Chirp

 

 

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GOOD:
CBJ ditches a useless contract.
TOR ditches a player they highly overpaid for.

CBJ saves money.
TOR can afford the cash strap.

CBJ gets a player they are hoping can revitalize his career.
TOR opens cap space.

BAD:
CBJ gets a player that has performed well under his pay grade and still has years left. Could be a crutch down the line.
TOR opens cap space but since Horton is on LTIR, they can never go below the cap beyond what his cap hit would be if he were a player (as per the CBA) so a full rebuild where they are a bottom-cap team cannot apply as they restructure their team unless they take his contract on as part of their cap. Essentially, if they are below the cap by more than what Horton would make, they still absorb that cap hit. Not a lot of room to build with.

I'm impressed that very few leafs fans here didn't run with this trade as a "HAHA CLARKSON TRADED! EVERYONE ELSE IS DUMB!"-kinda trade. There's no clear winner here at the moment. It's a pretty darn straight-across move that (I can't believe I'm saying this): helps both teams.

Hopefully it works out for both.

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Chuck, if I really need to explain this to you again, then you're even more dense than you let on.

Oilers are 10-11-3 since that disaster Eakins was fired. They're trying, and they're not doing all that terrible. Leafs fired their coach while in playoff contention, have been in a downward spiral ever since, and have done NOTHING to try and fix that. The players are trying, but CLEARLY the system is flawed. And the "coach" behind the bench has no business being there. It was a ridiculous move to begin with, has proven to be even worse than could have been predicted, but hey it's McDavid or Eichel so why try and fix it, right? Generational players come along and suddenly the leafs are the worst team in the league as soon as mgmt realizes they don't have a team that can win the cup? Pathetic. What a group of losers. And leafs fans just deny it or go along with it because they're just as bad. Blinders on forever. You're sad, man. Just plain sad.

Chirp