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16 Sep 2018 15:15:14
The 2019 draft is starting to look like it could be a real good one. Players who ape ear right now to be at an elite level for their age are in no real particular order.
Jack hughes
Kappo kakko
Dylan cozens
Philip Broberg
Some others who might climb into a top 5 spot include byram podzakin robertson dach etc etc. looks like a deep draft high in center and dman talent

Habby2

1.) 16 Sep 2018 16:32:39
Phillip Broberg - sick name. I'm a fan.


2.) 16 Sep 2018 17:13:16
Podkolzin not podzakin.


3.) 17 Sep 2018 04:36:29
Any possibility anyone catches Hughes?


4.) 17 Sep 2018 06:23:37
Defs not ^.


5.) 17 Sep 2018 14:31:45
Be a good year for senators to tank and get that franchise player!

Oh right, don’t have a pick, this is awkward.


6.) 17 Sep 2018 16:08:12
Anything can happen Sosa but right now hughes has a tight grip on the number 1 spot.


 

 

 

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19 Sep 2018 14:40:31
With the injury to Nicolas deslauriers it's a big boost for michael mccarron I would think this will be his last chance to make the team if he doesn't take advantage of this situation or at least dominate when sent to laval I'm certain this will be the final straw.

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1.) 19 Sep 2018 16:04:46
Ya I agree Habby. I wonder if there is someone in his same situation, that Montreal could make a deal, 2 players needing a change, to see if they can get there careers going.
Kinda like the Rychel, Shinkaruk deal.
What about Virtanen for McCarron?

Hopefully , as you stated, he can take advantage of this and play hard and show something. I'm starting to lose hope for that however.


2.) 19 Sep 2018 16:17:04
That would be the only way to get anything back for him right now Sosa. I doubt van trades virtanen straight up for him at least virtanen has showed he can stay in the nhl even if it is in a limited role.


3.) 19 Sep 2018 16:57:12
I think his chances are running out too. Like I said earlier in the summer with gauthier in Toronto, I think this season determines if he’s an NHL player or a good lifetime AHL vet. And I also think Virtanen would hold more value at the moment. But that’s the type of move you would get. Just don’t see what Vancouver gains in that deal. McCarrons older, bigger (which isn’t the asset it once was) and had marginally better AHL numbers, but Virtanen did get into a lot more NHL games and managed 10 goals, not great but a sign he can compete.


4.) 19 Sep 2018 18:02:56
Gauthier is in the same boat jim. Both were not bad picks at the time but the game changed during the 5 years it took them to develop. Mccarron probably has a better oppurtunity to make it this year but I'm not betting on him. From what I hear he had a good off season and came to camp in the right frame of mind so you never know I guess.


 

 

15 Sep 2018 05:19:51
That's 3 times this week I've read someone say pacioretty was never the same player after the chara hit. Are people that stupid? Or is this some kind of sarcastic saying people have started? At least 2 of them were habs fans. I mean the chara hit was in 2011 pacioretty played his best hockey by far after that incident.

Habby2

1.) 15 Sep 2018 22:12:32
He wasn't the same he was better I guess.

Just fans trying to convince themselves it was a great deal.


2.) 15 Sep 2018 22:08:52
Why do u care we got 2 times more then we should of gotten for him so be happy for that ahah.


3.) 15 Sep 2018 22:57:57
I don't know why they would have to convince themselves of that cause it was a good deal. I think they are just stupid and don't realize that happened like 7 or 8 years ago.


4.) 15 Sep 2018 23:59:47
When Patches gets better quality than EK lol.


5.) 16 Sep 2018 04:17:31
Totally agree with ya Habby. he was more of an up and comer when he got hit by Chara. Anyway. for once I'm happy with a Bergevin trade.


 

 

10 Sep 2018 21:47:36
I just read that john shannon reported that 4 years at 7 mil in Vegas would be equal to 4 years at 9.87 mil in montreal. Could someone verify this please. And if true could someone explain how this is fair to teams like montreal and toronto who helped pay for and keep teams like the coyotes in the nhl.if rights were known probably paid more then any other teams.

Habby2

1.) 10 Sep 2018 21:56:18
its not fair. teams in certain US states have low, or in the case of florida no state income tax.

taxes in california and new york are higher, but nothing comes close to playing anywhere in canada

not sure if the cdn vs US dollar have any impact as well.


2.) 10 Sep 2018 23:12:19
They have tried to balance it out a little bit. For any player, you have to pay taxes to where you are playing. so for places like Toronto and Montreal, you play the majority of your games at home and at other locations which also have higher taxes. But when you play in Florida or on the west coast, you pay the lower taxes. The other teams will pay your higher taxes when they come to play in your city. Not fair exactly but it is how it has been balanced so far.


3.) 10 Sep 2018 23:23:35
Vegas has zero state tax apparently dallas is another one with very low taxes. You would think these teams would be contenders every year with an advantage like that.


4.) 11 Sep 2018 00:42:17
They could do it as an after tax salary. You make 7millin against the cap so in real dollars in Montreal is more than vegas.


5.) 11 Sep 2018 01:54:51
When you consider yzerman has had this advantage since he's come to tampa it's pretty impressive what the leafs have done in comparison to be even mentioned in the same sentance as them.


6.) 11 Sep 2018 04:06:02
We’ve talked about this a few times on here habby. You’re going to get the Lightning fans panties in a bunch.


7.) 11 Sep 2018 04:43:42
Ooooooooo not lightning fans lol.


8.) 11 Sep 2018 14:21:39
Florida and Texas have no state taxes! I live in Miami, Florida it’s a great thing.


9.) 11 Sep 2018 14:2:25
There's a ton of other advantages that the other teams have over Florida or California or Nevada teams, tho. Players usually get way more endorsement deals in the bigger marktes. Let's take Tavares, don't think he'll make a rubbish ton of ad money playing for the Leafs? Certainly a lot more then he would have made in TB or DAL.
Also, looking at TB for example, Yzerman has to give out a lot of NTC to players because they don't want to be traded away (maybe also for tax reasons), which makes trading and salary cap management a lot harder when almost half your team has a NTC.

And as someone above already said, it's only for half of the games anyways, since away games are taxed according to where they're played.


10.) 11 Sep 2018 15:20:10
Apperently patches was traded to LAK lending him accepting an extension. That extension is reported to be 6 years at $6M per, but he declined.
Nevada has no state taxes, so he accepted 4 years at $7M. Interesting.


11.) 11 Sep 2018 18:23:43
Yzerman is stepping down as gm geez I hope it wasn't something I said lol.


12.) 11 Sep 2018 20:29:51
Each team has advantages and disadvantages. But yeah, the tax thing is massive. One advantage that the leafs just used is a massive surplus of liquid cash. Meaning the salary cap prevents us from paying a guy like tavares $20mill (which we could afford) but having seemingly endless cash means we were able to give him $40+ mill in the first 24 months. Other teams just can’t do that. They need ticket money just to pay the salaries for that season. Leafs just got $800 million to rename the arena Scotia Bank Arena instead of ACC. Brand recognition is what leafs/ habs/ Rangers/ Blackhawks etc have as a weapon to combat teams in Tax light states.


13.) 11 Sep 2018 23:46:44
Yes jim but those teams have been around for close to 100 years and have built a history and fan base. Do you think the leafs could afford those things if they were a expansion team going into there 2nd season like Vegas. Not likely. So teams like the habs and leafs only have this advantage because of the fact they have been around the longest have had the most success and have given the most back to the league. most of the newest expansion teams have been teams from areas of the US where there are no or very little state tax. Is this cause bettman wants to give them every advantage to win a cup and sell more hockey in the states.? Probably.


14.) 12 Sep 2018 13:20:44
The tax advantage is over stated as has been outlined above with paying taxes where you play etc. Teams like Montreal and Toronto still have more advantages in my opinion with their prestige, culture, closer to most players homes, endorsements etc. At the end of the day the tax thing for most these players isn’t enough to make a difference in their standard of living, I don’t think it weighs in to the decisions as much as people think. It was never even an issue brought up in the media or on forums until Tampa started winning, and almost seems like an excuse when a major market loses out on a player. There’s not talk of Tavares turning down more to go to the leafs but if he went to Tampa taxes would be all over the news and claimed as an unfair advantage. In a bid between Toronto and Tampa, Tampa would have to offer more to attract a player anyway. Would Habs and Leaf fans prefer a blind bid for players? Every team submits a number and the players decisions are based only on the contracts without knowing the teams? That’s the only way I can think of to ensure no team has an advantage and I don’t think anyone, player or team, wants that. Again every team has advantages people just get worked up over tax because it’s easier to quantify and for the most part people want to believe they are at a disadvantage so they have an excuse when they lose and can feel even better when they win.


15.) 12 Sep 2018 14:51:00
No it's been talked about since the 70s I remember one year about 20 to 25 years ago it was reported montreal were paying more taxes then all the American teams combined. the endorsment deals are a little bonus but as you may or not know it's usualky only the star players who really profit from that. when your trying to get or keep that middle of the pack 30 goal man or that really good 2nd pair dman those states without taxes have a HUGE advantage.


16.) 12 Sep 2018 16:20:09
I agree with you mostly Habby. It is definitely a huge advantage. Also though, when the habs were paying so much more than all the American teams, you have to remember that they were also working an exchange rate into the equation which was almost 40cents on the dollar at some points because Canadian teams used to pay in Canadian dollars before they stabilized it all and made all contracts signed and payable in $USD.


17.) 12 Sep 2018 20:14:01
@JBS, how can you think that the tax difference doesn’t make a difference in standard of living? Is it the difference between poor and rich? No. But making $9.87 mill instead of $7mill per year is a hell of a jump. What if that was on 7 or 8 years? You don’t believe that $20-24 million more that one team can pay under the same ‘salary cap’ makes a difference? I’m sure if a rival company, in whatever your field of work is, was able to allow you to take home 30% more money at the end of the week to do the exact job, you wouldn't feel that was an incentive or wouldn’t change your life at all, right? Lol.


18.) 12 Sep 2018 20:20:03
And the team Tavares turned down far more money from was SanJose. California has very similar tax relates as Ontario, as does N. Y. which he reportedly turned down the same money as Toronto paid. Tampa is able to offer him $8.5 mill againstbthe cap to be equal to leafs and NY $11 mill. If you don’t see that as an advantage, you either just don’t want to, or are not very smart. It’s not a preemptive excuse. It’s reality. When every team has the same upper cap that they can spend to build a team, but real life dollars has a fluctuation of over 30%, it’s not an even playing field anymore lol.


19.) 13 Sep 2018 05:37:33
Because that’s not the difference Jim. The difference on 7 mill in Montreal and Vegas is meaningful but it’s less than one mill take home. And at a certain point more money doesn’t improve your life. When you can afford everything you could ever want anyway an extra mill doesn’t make a difference it’s really not a hard concept. Also hockey is the only sport this is ever talked about. When the heat formed the big 3 nobody was saying it was because of taxes it didn’t happen in Toronto. The Buccs and Dolphins don’t seem to be attracting huge free agent classes because of taxes. And hockey has more of a legacy and play for the old team over money culture than either of those sports. I really don’t see why this is so hard to grasp Tavares literally just put the whole thing to rest in my opinion by taking less AND higher taxes to go to Toronto to me that shows where the real advantages are. It’s overstated, and as for mid tier guys the lower the contract the lower the overall take home difference between the two is. It’s an advantage for sure but it’s definitely overstated especially with the way hockey culture is and how it’s against selling out for money and pro playing for legacy and childhood teams.


20.) 13 Sep 2018 05:46:42
I dunno maybe it’s because both hockey culture and my personal beliefs are that there’s more to the world than money that I believe it’s overstated, I’d say the free agent market kinda points that way as well since when the teams aren’t winning they pay as much or more for players than Toronto and Montreal. I live in Sask. Comparitive tax haven Alberta is next door. I have never thought of moving because of the money I’d save on taxes.


21.) 13 Sep 2018 13:34:26
The only thing important in the world to agents is money.


22.) 13 Sep 2018 14:32:11
Exactly jim and if tavares had grown up cheering for the bruins or habs or anyone else chances are he doesn't even consider signing with the leafs cause a team like Dallas or Tampa jumps in and offers 10 mil which means the leafs have to pay like 14 mil per which they can't afford cap wise. tavares actually took a big discount with regards to salary cause he wanted to play there more then on the other teams. but that was a one in a 100 shot cause most players and their agents would just go for the bigger contract.

And yes tavares will get endorsement deals in toronto but he's a top player and still arguably the best on the team. If or when he's passed by marner and mcdavid the majority of those deals will go to them as most everybody would rather the face of the franchise advertising for them, that's common sense. Where I see it hurting the most are the middle tier guys who sign for 5 to 7 million, endorsements really can't sway their decision cause they don't normally get a lot if any.


 

 

09 Sep 2018 22:12:34
I'm willing to bet no team in the last 25 years have had anywhere near the amount of players stretchered off the ice as the montreal canadiens. Like wtf!!

Habby2

1.) 10 Sep 2018 02:20:14
Ya, another prospect . I don't know much about this one Habby. any insight. also. do u see any players that will shock us this season and make the roster?


2.) 10 Sep 2018 04:55:30
Jake evans had a chance at cracking the line up this year but he was injured in the game before so probably ruins any chance he had. Josh brook and cake fleury look like they will become future nhlers just not this season maybe in the next couple years though. Will bitten looks like he coming along nicely. Don't know if anyone who played in the rookie tournament will make the big club this year though unless kotkaniemi gets a 9 game tryout to start the season. A lot of the habs better prospects didn't play.


3.) 10 Sep 2018 05:00:33
I think lukas vejdemo could be one of the 1st call ups if need be. Along with one of the Czech dmen they signed in the off season. How they play in laval will decide which one.


 

 

13 Aug 2018 02:01:41
Yakopov said there is prejudice in the NHL if a team has a choice between a Russian player and non Russian player of equal value they will pick the non Russian player.well no freakin duh!!.i have nothing against Russian players in general but all through the years there has not been a higher percentage of lazy. Underachieving and attitude problem players from any other country more so then russia. This isn't being prejudice it's just a fact. Also when you think of soft players by country which one comes to mind. That's right russia. And on top of that which player is most likely to bolt to the KHL? Russia again lol. Come on yak tell us something we don't know

Habby2

1.) 13 Aug 2018 05:07:19
I agree with everything but the soft part. Sweden and the Czech Republic is much more soft in general.


2.) 13 Aug 2018 05:41:59
I would argue that at the nhl level they are not. but it's close. Years ago the swedes were probably the most physical country outside of canada. A lot of dirty stick work but they were not considered soft. they changed that for the most part throughout the 80s. not all players from any country are soft I mean just look at ovechkin. I just still think if a player is notoriously lazy or soft to the point that they are getting benched or traded because of it more often then not it's going to be a player from Russia. But considering the amount of supremely skilled players they have produced over the years it probably balances out.


3.) 13 Aug 2018 05:48:53
Idk Sweden was once considered the most physical country out side of canada a lot of stick work but they weren't considered soft. I just think if a player is notoriously soft or lazy to the point that he's getting benched or traded more often then not he's going to be from russia. But considering the amount of supremely talented players they have produced over the years it probably balances out.


4.) 13 Aug 2018 14:46:37
The first reply didn't appear to send but I guess it did so I tried to recap it with the 2nd reply lol.


5.) 13 Aug 2018 14:53:53
The sedins might be the softest players I’ve seen and they were once the poster boys for Sweden. None of Russia top players are soft. Yakapov is anything but soft or lazy. But the biggest waist of talent I’ve seen was Alexander Simen.


6.) 13 Aug 2018 15:54:20
The concern over drafting Russian born players is that if they are seven slightly unhappy they run to back to Russia to play in the KHL.


7.) 13 Aug 2018 16:56:53
We'll I can name a few I've seen first hand over the years kovalenko, berezin, and malahkov come to mind pretty quickly. As good as kovalev was he was still lazy lol.


8.) 13 Aug 2018 17:06:28
Sedins were soft but they had a great work ethic. And yes yakupov was lazy too.


9.) 13 Aug 2018 17:09:01
It's funny Malkin tarasenko ovechkin kucherov panarin all get top minutes. It wasn't because the coaches wouldn't play him it's cause he couldn't wouldn't play the system they laid out. The guy is talented has tremendous speed. But he has zero hockey sense and looks lost out there. This is him just not cutting the mustard.


10.) 13 Aug 2018 22:36:19
Ask oilers fans Yakapov might have been the hardest working player on the oilers at the time. He just didn’t have the hockey sense. If anyone on the oilers was lazy it was Justin Schultz.


11.) 13 Aug 2018 22:36:46
Not Justin Schultz sorry I meant Jordan Eberle.


12.) 14 Aug 2018 06:06:17
He didn't work hard enough to get to the dirty spots to score goals he tried to do the same thing he did in junior but it didn't work in the nhl. He skated around the ice like a madman on times and it looked like he was working hard sometimes but he really wasn't.


13.) 14 Aug 2018 06:25:40
I thought Yak was a hard worker. No hockey sense is true and I know you have to earn your ice time but man put him in a place to succeed. When he played with McDavid at the beginning of the season before he got hurt he was second in points and playing important late game minutes. And yeah I get he’s playing with McDavid it’s easy but actually not every guy can do it. Hope they don’t do the same with pool party, can’t keep a talented shooter on the third line with less talented players like they did last season.


14.) 15 Aug 2018 12:28:20
Yeah you can find examples of tough players, soft players, lazy ones, gritty ones, class acts and cheap shot artists from all nationalities. But I agree. Typically the most frustrating players for me are guys that have all the talent in the world, but pick and choose when to use it. Guys like Kovalev, Yashin, Semin (all Russian) . They could be the best player on the ice every night if they wanted and then something wouldn’t go their way and they would just mail it in. I hated seeing that. Jagr did it too before he went to the KHL, then his last stint in the NHL he was a different guy. Almost like he regretted how he had acted in his prime and was trying to enjoy every minute he had left in the league.

Not to sound like I’m picking on Russians either, I will add in that some of my favourite players now are Russian and I would never expect them to pull that garbage. Ovie and Tarasenko for sure. Kuznetsov I want to like, he’s so good and I like the caps, but jury is still out on him for me.


 

 

 

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17 Sep 2018 16:08:12
Anything can happen Sosa but right now hughes has a tight grip on the number 1 spot.

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17 Sep 2018 05:00:20
I'm pretty sure he meant nobody should make more then 11 million not that he thought tavares was better then mcdavid I assume he meant mcdavid should be at 11 mil and tavares should be less.

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16 Sep 2018 17:13:16
Podkolzin not podzakin.

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15 Sep 2018 21:17:21
I'm willing to bet at least 95% of the time players don't even consider taking less money just to keep a group of players together. i think it might happen occasionally in sports with older guys who have seen 1 st hand how hard it is to win a championship. But very very rarely. Also I wouldn't be suprised if dubas has even talked to nylander about a new contract almost all tines these discussions involve management and the players agent. And almost every time the agent is trying to get the highest contract possible. I can't say for sure because I don't know for sure what's going on but I'm willing to bet if leafs management and nylander had sat down together without an agent involved there would be a contract signed by now.

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14 Sep 2018 23:25:10
I'm not sure the blues would actually want more but I don't think they make this move right now due to the fact they have pretty good forward depth and are probably banking on Thomas and kyrou to add to that. trading parayko leaves them with a big hole on d where they are not as stacked as they are at forward. If I'm the leafs and the blues some way want to trade paryako I don't add much if anything nylander for parayko ( depending on nylanders new contract) is pretty fair value wise.

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