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01 Jun 2021 23:33:59
Leafs- marner
Jackets-Jones(with extension)

Leafs get a bonafied right handed top pairing d man who should come cheaper than the 11M marner gets. Jackets get a younger top line forward who puts up good numbers and also penalty kills, and get something of value for jones before he walks. Then:

Leafs- Rielly
Sabres- Reinhart

Leafs get a cheaper replacement for marner who may not have the offensive output as marner but still puts up respectable numbers on a far worse team. Sabres pick up a arguably 2/3 dman who is still young. With the emergence of cozens reinhart may be expendable.

Both trades could benefit all teams. They're all quality for quality trades to team in need of retool or just players needing change in scenery


1.) 02 Jun 2021 03:36:14
Marner holds more value than Jones. Younger, more talented.
Rielly isn’t really useful to Buffalo and he’s a UFA anyways so he wouldn’t sign with Toronto to be traded to Buffalo.

2.) 02 Jun 2021 14:24:47
He’s a ufa next year.

3.) 02 Jun 2021 15:38:11
Columbus adds because he’s a UFA i'd do Jones and Bjorkstrand for Marner.

4.) 02 Jun 2021 17:05:45
Columbus laughs

A big number 1 shutdown D who provides good offense too is worth more than a small perimeter passer who disappears in the playoffs.

Not to mention Marner is way overpaid.

Marner at $3-4 mil retained and Columbus might consider it. Even then Columbus probably holds off looking for a good center instead.

5.) 03 Jun 2021 01:23:25
Okay so is MoxNix islandjet 2.0? Is that what I missed?



13 Dec 2019 17:16:22
Leafs-Matthews kapinen and liljegren
CBJ- Dubois and Jones

Leafs get better on the back end while adding a solid #2 center man and gain cap space. Jackets get a top center and top 6 winger and A potential top 3 dman that could break their roster next year if not this year. Columbus may be a good place for Matthews as he visably doesn't like the media attention in Toronto he could fly under the radar and just do his thing.


1.) 13 Dec 2019 17:28:52
CBJ hang up on this obvious crank call. Easy no.

2.) 13 Dec 2019 18:15:25
Not terrible value but the leafs will not be trading a top 10 player in the league who still has 5 years left on his contract.

3.) 13 Dec 2019 18:21:14
wow. Joe knows so much about how all the other teams think. Doesn’t matter that Jones and Dubois combined don’t have as many goals or points as Matthews, who is rated 8th overall for his position vs Dubois at 41. And a team that just lost five top forwards to free agency might want some replacements you would think no? But Joe is so smart he doesn’t have to tell us any way to make the trade work or his reasons for not liking it. We just take his word for it because he has proved to be right so many times in the past.

4.) 13 Dec 2019 18:38:36
Columbus doesn't touch this imo, I'd rather have Jones than Matthews. I'd rather have Dubois than kapanen and a spare part.

5.) 13 Dec 2019 18:58:34
Easy no from CBJ. Jones>Matthews, Dubois>Kapanen and Liljegren.

And Matthews is NOT a top 10 player in the league lmao. Draisaitl, McDavid, MacKinnon, Marchand, Pasternak, Eichel, Scheifele, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin are all better than Matthews, just to start with 10, could easily name more.

6.) 13 Dec 2019 19:53:59
So grateful @Vertius for clearing all that up. Putting the word “not” in all caps so must be right. Matthews night not be top 10 in the league, but he is most definitely ranked top 10 for his position. Leafs would bunch rather retain Matthews over Dubois any day. Jones is great, no doubt about it, but saying he’s better than Matthews or worth more than Matthews has got to be the dumbest thing you e said yet.

7.) 13 Dec 2019 21:36:39
Mathews is much better then Malkin, Marchand, Pasta, Eichel andSchifele.

8.) 13 Dec 2019 23:03:17
Vertius, I’m not a big fan of Matthews but you cannot deny he’s very skilled and I’m not one to say that draisaitl is a product of mcdavid, but you did label draisaitl as a top 10 player in the league. If Matthews being a pure shooter was playing in draisaitl place would he be considered a top 10 player in the league? This is pure speculation of course but is it not realistic to say that he (Matthews) could score 50-60 and top 100 points if playing along mcdavid? This is not a knock at Leon cause I think he’s a great player but you can’t seriously put Leon in top 10 in the league and not have Matthews in the top 15 or so. Matthews has proven he can carry a line and push the play, he’s not bad defensively how many points did Leon put up when mcdavid was hurt or when he was centeribg his own line?

9.) 14 Dec 2019 03:13:49
Lmao. Matthews is NOT better than Pasta, Marchand or Eichel. Wtf.

10.) 14 Dec 2019 04:25:39
He is atleast just as good as the 3.

11.) 14 Dec 2019 15:38:37
@HockeyFanatic. Well, sorry to burst your bubble but Jones IS better and more valuable than Matthews. I could care less if you agree with me. I'll just take my 10 agrees to one disagree and look at your 1 agree to 9 disagrees and assume most people think I'm right and not you. Lmao clown.

@Mertle. I never said Matthews wasn't skilled. You'd have to be blind not to see that the kid has mad skill and is one of the best pure goal scorers in he league, but the reason I say he isn't a top 10 player in the league is because offence isn't everything.

Anyone who can set their bias for him aside will tell you that most nights he doesn't use his size to it's full effectiveness, that his two way game is shoddy and that he just floats around on the ice out there. Once he fixes those issues I'll be more than happy to consider him a top 10 player, but until then, he doesn't deserve to be above anyone I listed. Sure, not all of them may be AS gifted offensively, but their two way games more than make up for the slight gaps in production.

As for Draisaitl? No, I don't think Matthews could do what Draisaitl has. I think Draisaitl has better hockey sense and is a better goal scorer than Matthews, and going back to my original points, unlike Matthews, Draisaitl uses his body, plays a solid two hundred foot game and skates hard every shift. For me the two aren't even comparisons.

More so, I think this anti-Draisaitl narrative needs to stop. He had 105 points in 82 games last year with 50 goals, and he has 55 points this year in 34, are you really going to try and tell me that ALL of that is because of McDavid? If so than you clearly haven't watched him play. Draisaitl is special. Do I think his points would drop without McDavid? Of course, a little, but not by these 40 or whatever ridiculous totals everyone else seems to think. He would still be at least a 90 point player with 40 goals without McDavid.



31 Oct 2019 15:01:07
Leafs- Kapanen
Aves- timmins

Leafs get defence help who right now slots in as a bottom 5-6 guy but if Barrie and Muzzin leave could slot in top 4 next season while saving some cap space. Aves get replacement for landescog while he's down.


1.) 31 Oct 2019 17:10:15
Kappanen is worth more but I do really like Timmons I’d give a 2nd +.

2.) 31 Oct 2019 23:03:50
I would agree that as of now Kapanen does have more value but clearly the leafs need defence help and are have loads of forward depth, Toronto arguably overpays but until Byram is ready which could be next year the aves might be hesitant to trade one of their d men but if it means landing them a top 6-9 forward they may consider.



26 Apr 2019 05:28:19
Leafs - nylander, Liljegren, Woll
Hawks- '19 1st ( Byram) and Saad

Leafs gain a little cap space while adding some grit and a left winger in Saad. They also get a highly touted d prospect who had the potential to be a top 1/2 dman. Chicago gets a scoring forward, a good/very good d prospect who may be able to crack the lineup next season And with Chicago drafting boquist last year and Jokiharju the year before their blue line is getting younger. Chicago also gets a good goalie prospect who put up good numbers in the NCAA. He'd be by far Chicago's best goalie prospect. I'm aware that Dubas said "he wouldn't trade nylander" but What ya think?


1.) 26 Apr 2019 15:40:59
Hawks will take Kasperi Kapanen, Calle Rosen, Zach Hyman, and Rasmus Sandin please!

2.) 26 Apr 2019 17:30:55
Hawks give up 3rd overall for liljegren and will? Cause saad and nylander is pretty much a wash. horrible for Chicago, add money and give up a huge draft pick. Saad is only a few years older and they are both coming off bad seasons.

3.) 26 Apr 2019 18:01:49
so bad for chicago lol brutal.

4.) 26 Apr 2019 18:02:05
hawks will need that ELC!

5.) 26 Apr 2019 21:04:48
Well Nylander has more value then Saad but no from Chicago.

6.) 29 Apr 2019 01:46:58
Chicago do like to pay too much salary for players is so very true. They would like an overpriced Nylander. Yes. He would be good for Chicago. Is the 3rd going to be better than Nylander though? Maybe. Or maybe not. Is a big risk for Toronto too. Nylander is proven.



23 Jan 2019 22:06:12
Leafs- Gardiner
Blue jackets- Murray and Peeke

If this is the year jackets are all in with the likeliness that bob and Panarin are going to be gone next season they add even more scoring to their blue line and may be able to get him resigned next year. Leafs get a younger more defensively responsible d man in murray, also cheaper.

I like Murray's game I think it's more of what the leafs need, Gardiner may be more offensively skilled but leafs need better actual defence. Because of the skill difference I added in peeke, another 2 way d prospect for the leafs, can't have too many decent defence prospects... just ask Nashville.





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25 Nov 2020 07:56:22
Not hockey related but a question for the site vets... anyone know how if you can change your user name without creating a new account?


{Ed033's Note - What do you want to change it to?



09 May 2020 19:32:24
Man, if Ottawa doesn't screw up this years draft they are going be dangerous soon. If they come out of this draft with byfield/stuzle, and drysdale that'd be crazy. Imagine if they could find a way to draft 10th and grab Askarov. If Askarov is available at 10:

Ottawa- Brown, NYI 1st and Ottawa 2020 2nd

Whoever has 10th


1.) 09 May 2020 19:46:21
Not enough and honestly if I were them I’d wait to see if he falls. Drafting a goalie in the 1st round is risky.

2.) 09 May 2020 19:56:31
While I Agree with you VB, if they draft byfield or stuzle brown becomes expendable and if it were me I’d rather take a chance and draft a potential franchise goalie than a hit or miss forward or defence. Goalies are harder to come by than forwards or defence. Especially given that Anderson is probably gone and send have basically zero decent goalie prospects. What would you add VB to get into the 10-15 spot. assuming he’s available?

3.) 09 May 2020 21:23:09
Which Brown are you talking about? I assume you mean Logan Brown, but Connor Brown has a lot more trade value. It probably still isn't enough to snag 10th oa though.

4.) 09 May 2020 23:28:40
I was referring to Logan, yeah I don’t think they’ll be able to claw away a third top 10. Not even a Ottawa fan but that would be pretty sweet for fans if they could draft a top center, defence and a goalie all in the same draft. Fans would be pretty stoked. i'm getting excited thinking about it.

5.) 10 May 2020 06:04:09
I'm getting excited thinking about their future and I am not an Ottawa fan in any way shape or form. For the most part I've ignored them their entire existence. But this time around it really does seem different.

6.) 12 May 2020 21:41:01
The Sens should hang on to their 3 picks and keep stocking their prospect pool.

7.) 22 May 2020 14:17:40
Agree the send will be deadly in a few years, Provided they get Lafreniefe. They might even win the cup in the next ten years or so. Not sure, based on past trades of draft picks, If that gets you the 10th pick. But I think It would be a smart idea for ottawa.



04 Feb 2020 01:49:48
I need something explained to me. I just read that the jets and buff were looking at a mutual contract termination and earlier this year the kings and Kovalchuck mutually terminated his contract this him signing in Montreal? My question is if a contract can be terminated like buffs or Kovalchuck, why couldn't the Canucks and Luongo terminate the contract so that they could part ways.

Luongo even stated that his contract "sucked" If both Canucks and Luongo didn't like the contract and wanted to part ways how come they couldn't have terminated the contract? It's not like the Canucks got anything of value for him when they did trade him. Please don't rip me apart, I don't mean to be ignorant.


1.) 04 Feb 2020 03:44:16
That is a good question . 🤔. is it maybe cause he was still valuable, and the Canucks didn't want to lose him for nothing? didn't they get Markstrom outta that deal? Its taken him along time, but I remember he was a hot commodity back then, and now he is somewhat proving his worth. maybe one of the more knowledgeable guys on here can come tell us the deal, I don't know all the ins and outs of rules on this stuff. but very interested to know.

2.) 04 Feb 2020 05:05:09
It’s got to be a mutual thing when Luongo said his contract sucked he was referring to the fact it sucked for the team he was on not that it sucked for him.

3.) 04 Feb 2020 13:26:18
Habby is right. If Luongo had wanted to terminate his contract and the Canucks agreed, he could have. However, Luongo would have forfeited the remaining money on his contract and would not have been paid. That's why Luongo didn't terminate it, he wanted the money.

If Buff ends up terminating he loses his salary for this year and next, about $15 mil. Unless he gets any buy out money due to the injury arbitration case.

4.) 04 Feb 2020 15:09:16
That’s what I was thinking Habby and joe, just wanted to see if someone knew something I didn’t.



25 Feb 2019 22:03:34
Curious as to what others think about what Vegas is doing? I understand that they're trying for another deep playoff push but to this point they've basically traded all of their good prospects. I think this latest trade for stone giving up brannstrom, what are they planning on building on? Their a 2nd year franchise and have now traded away, 2 of their 3 first round picks... doesn't seem smart asset management to me.


1.) 25 Feb 2019 23:55:50
I don't like it either. They have a real heavy team there now which would have been ideal for the playoffs 7 or 8 years ago but I don't think they are as fast a team as they were last year. A speedy team might them look silly.

2.) 25 Feb 2019 23:55:50
Ya, I'm not sure what they are planning on for the future, I guess they are living in the moment . however, locking up Stone for next years, not a bad thing for your future.

3.) 26 Feb 2019 05:01:16
Both the trades giving up those prospects brought back really good NHLers with extensions. Nothing about prospects is guaranteed, and even though those guys have a good chance of turning out they for sure things for the foreseeable future in return. It’s the kind of deals you trade those prospects for, just trying to compete now instead of maybe in 5 years, and they seem to be competitive.

4.) 26 Feb 2019 06:15:22
Vegas is going to be a very tough team for years to come.

5.) 27 Feb 2019 12:29:01
They have a solid and already legit top-6, Glass is still a top prospect along with some other prospects, and they did it all while being playoff contenders during both years of existence made of a team of toss-aways. Plus cap space to play with.

They’re solid on all fronts and will be until Fleury retires or faulters at which point they’d need to snag another goalie but that’s about it.

How can anyone speak detrimental of how they’ve been managed without being laughed out of the room?! 😂.

6.) 27 Feb 2019 14:55:28
It's still left to be seen chirp if what they have done will be a good thing or a bad thing for them. i guess I could see them having a 3 or 4 year window if they get the goaltending. But I honestly don't think they will be a contender and when those big contracts to players like pacioretty and stone who are already not the fastest players in a league focusing on speed start to slow down and there is nothing coming in to the fold on entry level deals to pick up the slack then they will have a problem. i don't see any sure fire nhlers in the pipeline other then glass.



21 Feb 2019 00:24:31
With minny trading away coyle I wonder if
Wild are giving up on the year and unloading some assets. If that's the case what would it take for the leafs or oilers to land dumba? If it was a hockey trade I'd say nylander from the leafs, most will say a overpayment from leafs but to get what you need you may have to overpay and it may be a slight overpayment but considering both of their ages and contracts I'd donor for the leafs.

Oilers probably have to give Hopkins and maybe a small add like benson or bear or something. I know most poker fans would say the bear is going to be a good player and whatever but if you could have dumba, a proven nhler with reasonable term left not to mention shows mcdavid and others (fans) that losing is no longer acceptable


1.) 21 Feb 2019 03:00:51
I don't think Minny moves on from a guy like Dumba.

2.) 21 Feb 2019 03:37:59
I think most would say not enough from the leafs mertle.

3.) 21 Feb 2019 21:41:55
I agree Sosa, dumba isn’t a guy they should move, but with them trading Nino and now coyle one has to think there might be a rebuild coming and s guy like dumba would bring in a very good return. I wasn’t necessarily propositing that minnybtrade dumba just if anyone else thought maybe they were heading in that direction of a total tear down and rebuild.




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25 Jun 2021 22:38:56
My bad, just noticed it was drysdale OR zegras… that’s my bad! Still no for me…. I love drysdale, still pissed that Ottawa didn’t draft him.




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25 Jun 2021 22:37:33
I’d be shocked if Anaheim gave up the much for Eichel and risto. If anaheim stays the course they’re only a year or 2 away from being competitive again. They’re better off keeping and developing these high caliber prospects than trading for Eichel who hasn’t proven jack rubbish. I like Eichel and I think he’s a awesome player, but he’s not a leader and he hasn’t shown that he can carry a team. Great trade for Buffalo bad for anaheim.




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25 Mar 2021 23:58:32
don’t think teams give up they’re top prospects and picks to acquire bottom 6 wingers. I can see if amirov was part of a package to get hall or someone who will make them better in the playoffs.




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01 Mar 2021 17:09:05
From a leafs perspective they make this trade all day, however I think that forsberg can still get more especially at 50% retention. If I was the president GM and the leafs were serious about getting forsberg I’d ask for robertson, mikayhev and a 1st as a starting point. The first will be late but the preds will receive a player that can replace forsberg next year and Robertson could potentially be better than forsberg but if the leafs want to win now then it’s worth the gamble cause right now if leafs add forsberg to their top 6 then they have a extremely dangerous forward group.
The preds would want a forward back as they already have scoring trouble and they still have ekholm, josi, fabbro and Ellis as they’re top 4, none of which are on bad contract or old. The leafs need to keep their d prospects as well.




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12 Feb 2021 14:59:37
Malkin is a pending ufa and is old. No way he gets ekblad let alone adding arguably the best goalie prospect and picks.





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05 Mar 2021 04:56:08
I like it, seems like a good trade for both teams.




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09 Feb 2021 00:19:36
It’s too bad Griffey jr had all the injuries he did. He had a flawless swing and was a great fielder. Didn’t need PEDs, I’d still say he’s one of baseball greats.




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13 Jan 2021 22:26:18
Triplets, as great as point is he benefits from a offensive team, barzal plays on a defensive team. I could be the only 1 but I think barzal could be right at the top of the league in points if he played in a offensive system. He’s got elite speed and hands and had awesome vision. Point has the numbers to back up picking him over barzal, there’s just something more intriguing to me about barzal than point. But thanks for belittling those that didn’t pick the player from your team.




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12 Jan 2021 22:37:44
Barzal, sheiffle, Malkin, Ben, chabot, heiskanen, matthew.




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10 Jan 2021 15:53:58
Barzal could be one of the top offensive forwards in the game if he was to play for a offensive team, unfortunately for him trotz and his system don’t compliment barzal style, but he still puts up decent numbers. I’m more than likely going to see a lot of hate for this but if barzal was on let say Edmonton I think he’d put up similar if not better numbers than draisaitl.