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10 Jul 2018 21:42:53
Word is Montreal isn't going to extend pacciorety. They are going to trade Him ASAP

Montreal: Pacciorety
Penguins: Carl Hagelin, Zach Aston Reese, 2019 2nd, 2019 4th, Conditional 2021 2nd (if Pacciorety resigns)

Montreal: Pacciorety, conditional 2019 4th ( if pacciorety doesn't resign, pick becomes 3rd)
Wild: Erickson Ek, 2019 1st

Pacciorety value is at a low. Coming off a terrible season(for him), 1year left, and teams know that Montreal isn't going to resign him, so they have to trade him


1.) 10 Jul 2018 22:06:50
Montreal would pass on both of those. But it’s MB so you never know.

2.) 10 Jul 2018 23:56:03
It’s terrible asset management. They make it known they don’t want him. That loses leverage anyway, but then to hold a press conference preaching attitude and character over skill, then next time news comes out of MBs office it’s saying patches isn’t welcome back. So not only did they lose leverage, but now they raise red flags about pacciorettys character (that may or may not be true) to some teams that otherwise might have been interested. Some teams will not inquire about him, or offer far less if they think he could be a problem.

Like Sens holding onto Hoffman for a better offer at the deadline, knowing all this dressing room crap was going on, and then sold him at pennies on the dollar when it hit the news. But this isn’t media releasing a bad story, this is MB devaluing his own captain lol.

3.) 11 Jul 2018 01:42:05
Think the Minnesota one isn't bad, get a 1st and a decent player, think that's really all they can expect at this point. Be better if it was expected to be a higher pick. Maybe a little more especially if there's a contract agreement.

4.) 11 Jul 2018 02:10:09
No Jim it's mostly media. You should know about that.

5.) 11 Jul 2018 02:31:40
With regards to Hoffman if the Sens did know about this they would have had to disclose this info to the other teams they were trying to trade him to. and if for some reason they could lie that they didn't know and get away with it it would still be frowned upon by all the other gms the same way an offer sheet is when it did come out.

6.) 11 Jul 2018 02:33:17
There has been 500 pacioretty rumors this summer by people claiming to have a source but none have actually happened. People must remember the media in montreal is bad when things are going well look out when they are not.

7.) 11 Jul 2018 09:22:47
Not enough from Pittsburgh and too much from Minnesota IMO.

8.) 11 Jul 2018 12:30:12
too much from pittsburgh
and i'd say yes from minnesota provided the 1st is lottery protected (close 2019 or 2020)

9.) 11 Jul 2018 13:43:35
The Pitt trade is atrocious for Montreal.
The minny trade I can’t see them making that at all.

10.) 11 Jul 2018 13:45:08
If that's what i'm getting for patches in keeping him ans hoppin to extended or get more at dealine. But not worth lettint him for hopes. Need something now if in letting e0 goals walk out this season.

11.) 11 Jul 2018 15:24:17
@Habby, I don’t think there’s any rule about disclosing wife drama like a physical injury lol but even if they were to disclose it in private trade talks, it would have been a lot better for Dorian to talk to chirelli or whoever and say “the dressing room is split, 1 of 2 guys has to go, hoffman is one of them, what’s your offer? ” And move him then.

Because instead, they played hardball, it hits the fan, now a media circus is going to follow him, as where if he was traded 1500 miles away before it went public, karlssons wife maybe wouldn’t have had to follow through on the legal stuff. And Sens fan base wouldn’t have more ammo to hurl at Dorian and Melnyk for losing yet another trade.

12.) 11 Jul 2018 15:30:43
And if there’s this many rumblings of a fractured relationship between paccioretty and the habs management, there’s a decent chance that more concrete evidence of that could come out in the coming weeks. And depending what that info is, could affect his trade value. Don’t want to be like the senators, no one wants to be like the senators right now lol.

13.) 11 Jul 2018 16:04:21
Yes jim but I think we can both agree that there is usually a lot more goes on behind the scenes that me or you or any of the insiders know. Sometimes you got to ask yourself who is this source that everyone talks about? Sources close to a team that could actually leak true info would not do so because if they were caught they would be fired. why would someone in that situation leak info to a 2nd rate reporter so he could put it in a newspaper for everyone to see. i'm sure a few things about pacioretty may have some merit but I'm willing to bet 99% don't it's purely speculation based on what people think will happen. With regards to Hoffman if Dorian and crew knew there was a chance karlsons wife was considering pressing charges against Hoffmann (wife) then yes this would have to been brought to the attention of the other team.

14.) 11 Jul 2018 16:39:54
If there is a fractured relationship it's because patch wants more on his new deal then montreal wants to pay. Pretty simple really and that happens a lot it's just this being a more then usual boring summer with not much to talk about it's being blown up in montreal. Notice when everyone though karlsson would be traded last week there was zero talk about pacioretty lol. or when the tavares saga was going on. People looking for news is all it is. The same thing is going on that has been since last December with pacioretty his name is out there and bergevin is listening to offers. If he gets an offer he likes he will trade him. you can paint it in any way you like but we all said the same things about duchene and sakic done pretty good in that deal. As of now if patch doesn't resign he will be a ufa after this year and will be traded as such. So does he have more trade value now or if he was resigned at 8 year 8 mil per? My guess is he has more value now. Does that mean the habs will get huge haul for him. Probably not. But they should be able to get something that will help them moving forward. Picks or prospects is my hope.

15.) 11 Jul 2018 16:44:02
Yeah. I think The Athletic is a pretty good outlet, seem to have some connections and smart people employed. But It’s not criminal charges that she brought against them. It’s a protection order saying she can’t contact her. It’s a civil matter. Cody Ceci’s wife threw a flaming bottle of gasoline on a another woman (accidentally, but what else can possibly happen in Ottawa this summer?!?! ) and the woman was fighting for her life and she has had like 15 or 20 surgeries. Almost guaranteed a lawsuit will come from that too but again it will be a civil matter, no criminal charges and I doubt it has to be disclosed.

Regardless, we will see. Paccioretty has said he wants to stay and a as willing to sign 8 years (Montreal Gazette) but when he’s traded, more of the story will come out, and I’m willing to bet that a real story of a very fractured relationship will emerge.

16.) 11 Jul 2018 19:25:04
It could happen jim I'm not going to rule that out. I just think at this time it's just more of a contract thing then anything else. could Possibly be friction between patch and other players on team though. This summer seems more rampant with loose rumors and texts from sources which have been proven wrong then other years to me. i think it comes from this years uneventful draft and mediocre free agent class making very few headlines. To me now unless I hear straight from bob mckenzie or elliote friedman I don't even listen to it.

17.) 11 Jul 2018 19:41:13
But on the note of things being disclosed everything is suppose to be disclosed that you are aware of concerning the player your trading. legal matters drinking or partying habits, locker room feuds injuries etc. all could be assumed to affect the players performance as could the legal matter. Off ice issues can be a wide range of things if the other gm asks about a players situation. when trade negotiations are taking place how often do you think the other gm asks why are you trading him? How's that knee injury? Is there any truth about these rumors? A Gm don't just say we'll he's a good player let's see if we can get him, without doing their homework first. I remember when the habs traded mike riberio for janne ninnima there was hardly any talk of riberios drinking problem at the time but gainey had to disclose that info to other Gms and that's the only offer he got. i know it's not the same as the Hoffman case but gainey could have kept quiet about it and got another deal elsewhere and just waited for the other team to find out. But I'm pretty sure the other team then could have filed a grievance to the league and got compensated.



09 Jul 2018 14:54:40
Word is Panarin doesn't want to stay in Columbus.

Columbus: Panarin

Wild: Jason Zucker (signed 5M/4Years), Joel Erickson Ek, 2019 2nd


1.) 09 Jul 2018 15:24:15
only if Minny can extend panarin which I don’t think they can because sounds like he wants to go to a bigger market because his gf is a model.

2.) 09 Jul 2018 17:09:58
It's because he doesn't want to live in Ohio. Not because he doesn't like the team.
Think he would like Minnesota if he doesn't like Ohio. I'm going to guess no.
He wants New York or Florida type place to live.

3.) 09 Jul 2018 17:29:19
These rumours were shut down, his gf did not model the last 3 years, it said.

4.) 09 Jul 2018 19:09:23
Apparently she wants to get back into modeling and his agent was covering it up for some reason.



04 Jul 2018 04:23:56
Dallas considered front runners for Karlsson(Chris Stevenson, the athletic). So

Ottawa: Erik Karlsson, Bobby Ryan(15% retention), Conditional 2019 2nd

Dallas: Jason Spezza, Miro Heiskanen, conditional 2019 1st.

Dallas gets a much needed lift to their D, and an (overpaid) scoring winger who IMO would slot in very nicely with Seguin if Jim Montgomery decides to even out the lines. The condition on the 1st is if Karlsson Resigns. Though they lose some centre depth via spezza, they still would have enough offensive firepower to be competitive.

Ottawa brings in a former star, who would likely sell a decent number of jersey's, plus gets rid of (most of) bobby ryans contract, in addition to a great d prospect and possibly a first. The condition on the 2nd is Karlsson doesn't sign.

In a years time spezzas contract comes off the books if Dorion or Melnyk wants to cut spending, or they could resign him


1.) 04 Jul 2018 04:32:37
Why would ottawa want Spezza? that's a terrible return

2.) 04 Jul 2018 04:53:52
There could be a number of reasons why Ottawa would take spezza.

1. Jersey sales, as he's an old name, and could bring a nostalgia factor to some fans
2. They don't have a 1st in case you didn't know, spezza is decent, so he could help with the team, Duchene/ Spezza is not the worst 1-2 punch up the middle
3. Dallas adding spezza gives them some cap flexibility for this season, even though they are taking on bobby ryan, so maybe they wanted to include him
4. They could possibly trade Spezza with salary retention and get a good return.

The reason that the return is underwhelming is cause Dallas is taking Ryan's horrendous contract.

3.) 04 Jul 2018 04:59:24
I like it @ Pittsburgh Finest take out ryan or the 1st tho. It’s going to be an extremely underwhelming return for the sens there fans will be dissapointed.

4.) 04 Jul 2018 12:52:50
Dallas adds more.

5.) 04 Jul 2018 13:07:32
The one thing I saw on the score was a 1st, 2nd Brett Ritchie, Julius Honka, and Remi Elie. Sold. Sign the papers. 8 x 11.5/ yr contract. Lehgo.

6.) 04 Jul 2018 20:59:29
No thanks, ottawa doesn't want that bum spezza. i'd rather have ryan tbh.




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18 Jul 2018 21:51:01
If you were Ottawa would you rather have sergachev or point as the main piece coming back in the karlsson trade? Why?


1.) 18 Jul 2018 23:08:24
If I were Yzerman I’d say you’re not getting either you can give me him for Foote+ or let him walk and sign with us as a UFA.

2.) 18 Jul 2018 23:21:15
I would think Sergachev but could see advantages to both. I just think they have White, Tkachuk, chlapik, brown up front and really only Chabot as a good D prospect. I’d say losing Karlsson would open up a need for Sergachev more. However if it’s sergachev/ raddysh or point/ Foote then it makes it close either way.

3.) 19 Jul 2018 00:35:58
I wouldn't be surprised if Yzerman was able to make a trade and not give up either one of them.
Tough choice tho in my opinion. I really don't know which of the two I would want from an Ottawa stand point. I'm stumped on that one.

4.) 19 Jul 2018 03:06:23
Tough call, sens have brown and white who at this point may still be good centres so sergachev would be good as the center piece of a trade, as their only really promising d prospect is chabot, but on the flip side if sens aren’t comfortable with the colour tandem as their future centerman then point would be center peoce. tough call. If I were sens I’d want both of them, it’s not everyday a team gets a chance to acquire a franchise d man on his prime when your team is in win now mode.

5.) 19 Jul 2018 04:46:28
I feel like its obviously Point. And i also feel like he isn't really on the table. he's young, going into last year of ELC and has shown he can take over games at both ends of the ice. he's a 22 year old 30 goal scorer and all star who was often played in a shut down role. Sergachev is a good young piece but Point is a young established top 6C you can play against another teams top line.

6.) 19 Jul 2018 10:04:12
0% chance they are getting point and I feel if SY was willing to include Sergachev, the trade would be done by now. So. prolly neither.

7.) 19 Jul 2018 13:07:16
Triplets I disagree. I think Sergachev is on the table. It was reported they had a deal in place before Melnyk nixed it because it didn't include Ryan and Sergachev was the main piece bacl (and what separated Tampa from DAL/ VGK)

8.) 19 Jul 2018 14:26:52
Point is a really good young player and I would t want to trade him if I was a lightning fan. But the whole “all-star” thing is a stretch. He was a late addition for an injury replacement which they try to give to players on the host team first. He didn’t crack top 40 in scoring among forwards, so when 24 forwards are selected to go, I think it’s obvious there were more deserving. Not trying to devalue the guy but his all star appearance was not deserved like most players were.

9.) 19 Jul 2018 17:07:51
Well @ Unbiased Jim, it was only Points sophomore year and his value does not is not only reflected on the score sheet.
He was voted 8th for the Selke trophy at just 22 years old. Guess that says a lot about his defensive abilities, will definitely earn a few Selke nominations if not trophies in the future, imo.

@jbs: Well, none of the big trustworthy insiders actually ever reported anything like that, or did they? (or anything of substance at all, really) . It's an assumption as much as it was an assumption that the trade was "as good as done". It might be true and he might give up Sergachev, but I really feel like the longer it takes the worse it'll be for the Sens.

10.) 19 Jul 2018 18:05:20
@triplets. I agree. He’s a great young player, and like I said I wouldn’t want him included in a deal if I were you. I was just saying his all star appearance wasn’t earned so I don’t see that as a point to bring up discussing his trade value. He’s the type of guy you win with tho and has enough legitimate great attributes to bring up that a pity invite to the all star game doesn’t need to be one of them.

And when I said he didn’t crack top 40 in scoring, I don’t mean only scoring matters in the NHL But for all star selection, faceoff percentage and ability to shadow a star isn’t really taken into consideration. That’s the point I was making that I didn’t think was hard to recognize. Brian Boyle was at that game too for hometown/ sentimental reasons and he’s good defensively but I’m not going to call him an all star from now on.

11.) 19 Jul 2018 19:33:00
When it comes to All Star its by division. At that point in time he was 5th amongst forwards in division and goals and 9th in points while putting up Selke vote getting D. Being home may have given him an edge on all star replacement but wasnt the sole reason. I think to say a player at a 0.9 PPG pace with his D and at that pointed limited PP time was undeserving is underselling him a bit. Borderline sure. But i wouldn't say unearned.



16 Jul 2018 01:06:57
R.I.P ray emery




10 Jul 2018 15:09:31
Kuch signed 8/9.5M extension, what does this do about Karlsson?


1.) 11 Jul 2018 10:44:35



06 Jul 2018 15:51:05
Is there still a fantasy hockey league for this site? If so are there any open spots?


1.) 06 Jul 2018 16:17:11
There is and there is currently no open spots as far as I know next season 2020 there may be an expansion tho.

2.) 06 Jul 2018 16:55:19
If any spots open up, I'm interested.

3.) 07 Jul 2018 09:03:34
You sure you're not just Montrealfinest and changed your fav team again? We thought about expanding the field by 2 managers before, so if that happens or someone bails, I'll make a post on here.

4.) 07 Jul 2018 20:19:54
Lol no, I used to be in it as draftMcdavid, but took some time away from the site, and decided I didn't like my name.

5.) 07 Jul 2018 22:26:38

He isn't finest because he used a comma and had an ''h''.

6.) 08 Jul 2018 08:52:14
@2707: fair lol
@PF: aight I remember you lol, people have been demanding your return anyways.



05 Jul 2018 21:24:20
On the score, I saw a Myers for gardiner speculation. IMO, Gardiner is the better defenceman, but Myers is also a RHD, which seems to be in more demand at the moment. What do you think should be added to either side to make this a fair trade?


1.) 05 Jul 2018 21:44:23
I think they’re pretty even, RH is what people think leafs need because we have Rielly and Gardiner on the Left and zaitsev on the Right in the top 4. But doing this just switches to looking for the top 4 LHD. Unless dubas and Babcock are confident enough in dermott to take gardiners spot and have

Rielly, Myers
Dermott, Zaitsev

I’m sure some people will say Myers has more value, he also makes 5.5mill compared to gardiners 4.05mill which probably levels any of that out.

2.) 05 Jul 2018 23:25:30
It's kind of a sideways trade. No point for either side really.

3.) 05 Jul 2018 23:45:05
Gardiner is also 10x better offensively and Puck moving.

4.) 06 Jul 2018 18:10:02
Gardner seems like a better play based on his point totals however 15 of his points came on the power play. He is a defensive liability as was very evident in the playoffs and would be in the 3rd pairing behind Morrissey and either Poolman, Kulikov or Niku. Myers has his faults but he is a right shot d-man who is under a very affordable contract and isn't a defensive nightmare that Gardner is. I think if the Jets move him he will be part of a package that could include possibly Perreault, Petan, Dano, Kulikov, Copp and even Little. No the Jets would have very little interest in Gardner.

5.) 06 Jul 2018 19:01:36
@islandjet: 15 of gardiners 52 points were on the PP so that inflates his value? 17 of Myers 36 pts were on the PP lol dumb argument #1

Gardiner is terrible defensively and yet he has a better CF% than Myers and a higher defensive impact rating. You’re basing your judgement of him on a single game, which happened to be the worst game of his life, which is what ill informed people do. Dumb argument #2

Myers is on an affordable contract at 5.5 million and gardiners at $4 mill is what exactly?! Somehow unaffordable? Lol dumb argument #3

I don’t mind you saying you would rather Myers, I even said some people could value Myers higher and that’s fair, but to use 3 clearly false things to call Gardiner a liability and nightmare shows you’re either extremely biased or really uneducated on the game.

6.) 06 Jul 2018 19:02:55
Jake Gardiner begins Poolman on the left side hahahahaha just saw that now. I hope you were laughing writing that.

7.) 06 Jul 2018 19:32:02
I understand what your writing and on paper your points are valid but the Leafs would trade Gardner and his 52 point, $4 mil contract for Myers any day as he is not a shut down d-man, is a mistake prone heart breaker. At his age he still makes the same mistakes that an 18 year old makes. I just hope that there is no validity to this trade rumor as Myers may be the missing piece the Leafs desperately need, a top 2 right shot d-man that could be a significant piece in Toronto ending their 52 year cup drought. I just don't see the Jets wanting or needing this team killing, mistake prone d-man. Why do you think there are so many posts about how the Leafs should unload him? By the way have you ever seen Poolman or Niku play?

8.) 06 Jul 2018 23:58:40
Eye test sees Myers make a lot of mistakes too. Analytics say Gardiner is better defensively. Plain as day stats say he’s far better offensively. Old school or new school the arguement doesn't hold water. You can like Myers better but each evaluation method points to Gardiner being anywhere from slightly to far better. Add in that he makes less and all Myers has over him is That he shoots right. I’m not a huge Gardiner fan and far from a Myers hater, but don’t sit here and try to show some gap between them like I’m comparing Gardiner to doughty lol.

9.) 07 Jul 2018 00:02:35
And saying Poolman would be higher on the depth chart than Gardiner for LD on WPG would be me telling you that if Myers came to Toronto he would be behind Andrew Nielsen on our right side haha but I wouldn’t do that because I don’t say outrageous stupid things to Put down a proven top 4 Nhl Dman like both these players are.

10.) 07 Jul 2018 15:19:59
Unbiased Jim its refreshing to get post from someone who actually backs up his point of view with well thought out facts, observations and opinions instead of insults and childish comments. I guess I'm not that into the analytics part of the game but more into what I observe about players. I think there would be teams that would be better trade partners than the Jets and Leafs for these two players. I personally hope Gardner stays with the Leafs as it would be good to see him rebound from that last horrible game. I may not agree with you but enjoy your insight and posts.

11.) 08 Jul 2018 08:09:52
Appreciate it. I try not to get too personal or anything and keep it a good conversation but sometimes we all get fired up haha I only let myself off the leash for Rambo now because he’s a different breed. I have no problem calling him an idiot. Respect the rest lol.




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17 Jul 2018 18:02:36
lol 9 million a season? He turned down 10.5 from Ottawa. Also why wouldn't they sign him 8 years? Overall too much if they don't have a contract in place.




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14 Jul 2018 11:43:35
I agree not enough, but they have cap from the Hossa trade.




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13 Jul 2018 01:40:04
That's terrible for the pens. Weber is out for basically the entire season, he has a shitty contract, and he's rapidly declining. Who know how he'll be when he comes back. Kessel has way more value than pacciorety. So to sum it up a declining player on a terrible contract, a scoring winger who has 1 year left and is coming of a bad year for one of the premier snipers of the game today, and a very good 3rd or 4th line centre.




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09 Jul 2018 04:50:59
Price for Mcdavid, Draisaitil, Pulajajarvi, 3 1sts.




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09 Jul 2018 04:48:48
Kuch >>> Panarin.





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