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22 Sep 2018 17:41:29
Simple Trade Idea:

Jake Gardiner [LD - 4.05 Million x 1 Year] + Garrett Sparks [G - 0.75 Million x 1 Year] + 2020 3rd Round Draft Selection to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Alec Martinez [LD - 4.00 Million x 3 Years] + 2019 6th Round Draft Pick.

- Los Angeles is evidently attempting to win now, hence signing Kovalchuk and trading for Dion [both at large price tags]. If they are really trying one last ‘go-at-it’, then Gardiner improves their team more than Martinez, as they lack a true offensive dman like him [Doughty is two-way; Dion, Muzzin and Forbort are defensive]. Sparks solidifies the backup role, as Budaj is a question mark imo, and he gives them a chance to win on back-to-backs.

- Toronto acquires a better shutdown dman while giving up the better overall dman. Still, they acquire defensive insurance for the next two years, at a relatively cheap price, rather than having to pay Gardiner north of 6.0million. And while LA is trying one last ‘go-at-it’, Toronto would rather players with term, albeit if they are worse.

LA Dcore:
Forbort - Doughty
Muzzin - Gardiner
Brickley - Phaneuf


TOR Dcore:
Rielly - Hainsey
Martinez - Zaitsev
Dermott - Ozhiganov.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 22 Sep 2018 20:41:00
I think LA says yes for the reasons you stated but I don’t think Toronto pulls the trigger. Maybe if Martinez shot right.


2.) 22 Sep 2018 21:15:57
Maybe then LA could add in a second? Or LA trades the third instead of Toronto?

Cause I’m in favour of getting controllable assets as Toronto, and not overpaying for UFAs like Gardiner [basically saving some UFA years at a cost controlled price]

Lol, i hardly watch the Kings, but i assumed that Martinez is still a solid dman. Maybe not the offensive force, but maybe defensively sound? And if we get that, then Rielly/ Martinez/ Dermott is a solid LHD for three years imo.


3.) 23 Sep 2018 00:15:51
Maybe not a 2nd unless Gardiner is going to sign an extension with Kings? Maybe LA adds a conditional pick of some sort but it’s a good post.


4.) 23 Sep 2018 18:17:44
Yeah, could see something like the 3rd being removed and a conditional pick being sent Toronto’s way if Gardiner resigns. I think Sparks has to be in the trade tho, or maybe McElheinney or sumting. kings def need a backup better than Budaj.


 

 

10 Sep 2018 12:21:29
Mathieu Perreault (C - 4.15 Million x 3 Years) + Marko Dano (RW - 0.80 Million x 1 Year) to the Arizona Coyotes in exchange for Lawson Crouse (LW - 0.85 Million x 1 Year) + Laurent Dauphin (C - 0.70 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Selection.

- Winnipeg trades away 4 million in cap space, and although Perreault is a good 40 point man, for 4 million as a 3C with Adam Lowry and a top heavy team, he seems like an accessory. In order to resign Laine/ Trouba/ Myers, etc. the Jets will need to shed cap. Crouse hasn’t developed as expected, but he's a top10 pick from only 3 years ago - could become a decent 3rd Liner for WPG at cheap. Perreault may be able to get more, but teams may see WPG as needy for cap space, and valuations for guys like him may lower.
- Arizona acquires a really good 3C who can move up the lineup, as the total transition on the team continues. Unlike WPG, ARZ is more of an offence by committee, and can afford to have a higher cap player lower in the lineup. Crouse may hurt as a loss, but with many younger stars, Crouse, who hasn't fully developed, may be a viable trade piece.

Arizona Lineup:

Clayton Keller - Derek Stepan - Christian Dvorak
Mathieu Perreault - Alex Galchenyuk - Richard Panik
Brendan Perlini - Dylan Strome - Michael Grabner
Vinnie Hinostroza - Brad Richardson - Christian Fischer
(Marko Dano, Nick Cousins)

Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Jason Demers
Niklas Hjalmarsson- Jakob Chychuryn
Alex Goligoski - Jordan Oesterle
(Kevin Connauton)



Winnipeg Lineup:

Kyle Connor - Mark Schiefele - Blake Wheeler
Nikolaj Ehlers - Bryan Little - Patrik Laine
Lawson Crouse - Adam Lowry - Jack Roslovic
Brandon Tanev - Laurent Dauphin - Andrew Copp
(Nic Petan, Mason Appleton)

Ben Chiarot - Dustin Byfuglien
Josh Morrissey - Jacob Trouba
Dmitry Kulikov - Tyler Myers
(Sami Niku)

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 10 Sep 2018 15:45:28
Winnipeg would say no. This trade makes them worse this year and they don't need to move Perreault this year. Next year might be a different story.


2.) 10 Sep 2018 16:56:32
I believe that both Crouse and Dauphin would have a hard time making the Jets as they have Petan, Appleton, Vesalainen and Lemieux fighting for spots on the team. However I do think Crouse could be a good addition if he was the type of player that would use his size on the 4th line, but Perreault is one of Maurices favorites. Interesting trade though.


3.) 11 Sep 2018 14:22:06
I personally would do this trade, it would be hard for me to let Dano go as he is still a fairly young piece with some potential though. as joe said it would make jets worse this year and they only need the cap next year if they did a trade. Island also made a valid point of crouse and dauphin potentially not being able to make the team with other players fighting for spots.
I do like your explanations for why each sides to this, but maybe add a prospect or pick from jets as arizona is taking on all the extra salary?


4.) 11 Sep 2018 16:10:46
@pkane, how do you agree with both jets fans that jets shouldn’t make this trade as it is presented and then end by saying “jets add a prospect or pick”?! If you think it doesn’t make sense for Winnipeg as it sits, why would them adding more valuable pieces make it better?


5.) 11 Sep 2018 18:50:36
Pkane on some whack stuff.


6.) 12 Sep 2018 09:20:55
what i was saying was from a jets point of view i would do it, from arizona point of view i'd want something extra for taking on the extra salary.


7.) 23 Sep 2018 00:13:42
im a wpg jets fan who lives in winnipeg 6 blocks from the rink accross the street from laine's. he plays hockey with all the kids mine included.

1. dano is a center and the forth on copper lowry tanev line all puck hogs were not trading any of them

2. mp 85 that's his tag here nope not going anywhere just yet like u said to easy to play anywhere in line up

3. most of the jets are signing team freindly long term contracts
the has been built 1 player at a time by drafting them

4. just because you believe these trades are posted is because everyone wants a part of them. wake up we loaded see is win a cup or 2 then we will take trade.


 

 

10 Sep 2018 11:26:55
Suzuki and Tatar for Patches.

Def more than I could have ever imagined for Patches. that's Suzuki + 1st + 2nd + 3rd + 2nd, altho Tatar ain't worth all that now.

MTL makes a very good deal imo, and Tatar could easily be shipped off at the deadline.

This is the side of McPhee that Vegas has to be wary about. he's super hasty. and I feel that this could bite him badly, like with Forsberg/ Erat.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 10 Sep 2018 12:21:11
And a 2nd round pick.


2.) 10 Sep 2018 12:57:01
There is also some cap retention by both teams this year is a wash pretty much but Vegas retains 500 k each of the last 2 years on tater contract.


3.) 10 Sep 2018 13:28:31
Bergevin did well, I’ll give him that. Tatar was apparently a must go, salary and roster spot wise, so it’s esentially Suzuki and a 2nd for patches with a bit of retention. Good return for a guy that it was pretty public he wasn’t going to be back.


4.) 10 Sep 2018 15:58:44
Not to bad. Tatar can probably score 20 to 25 this season, Really hope Suzuki turns into a top 6 player. , any of you guys back East see him play much in the OHL? Any feedback on him?


5.) 10 Sep 2018 16:02:43
I think it's a good return probably slightly more then I expected. suzuki was Vegas 2nd best prospect IMO and tater should be able to at least replace the 17 goals pacioretty scored last year and they get another decent draft pick. Suzuki scored 100 points last year on a somewhat defensive team. I think 72 of his points were primary and the next closest point total on his team was 69 I believe. Has good speed and can play in all situations can play center but I think he will be winger when he turns pro.


6.) 10 Sep 2018 16:05:46
Apparently the trade is contingent on patch signing "long term " in Vegas.


7.) 10 Sep 2018 16:06:21
Also jim tater still has value as we'll he just couldn't fit in with Vegas I'm sure if the habs decided to trade him again they could get something useful in return especially at 4.8 mil preseason instead of 5.3. He might never get what Vegas paid for him again. But I think he could still get a 2nd and a3rd right now at least.


8.) 10 Sep 2018 16:58:35
Good trade for the Habs. Flip Tatar at the trade deadline for picks or prospect then it becomes a great trade for the re-building Habs.


9.) 10 Sep 2018 17:56:48
what are you talking about with all the pick crap

You got Suzuki who isn't even a top 50 prospect in most top 50 propsects. He hit thirty in 1. A 2nd round pick and thomas tatar

for

A signed patches. That haul is underwhelming

What happened to the 1st, top c prospect and a good nhl player for a rental with 1.5 years left.

I think berg did get a good prospect but his super high expectations soured a lot of teams on patches and basically made him settle for that package. Not very good.

ROR got a 1st, 2nd, Tage thompson, Sobotka, Berglund.

Patches got 2nd suzuki, tatar

MTL should have gotten more for a signed patches.


10.) 10 Sep 2018 18:42:20
A lot of people are actually saying Montreal got an underwhelming return. Which I agree a bit, but I also think that was the best Montreal was going to get.


11.) 10 Sep 2018 19:14:49
It's more then fair IMO. But like everything else everyone won't be pleased with it . If the habs had got mcdavid for patches there would be some complaining that we took back too big of a cap hit. nick suzuki is on every top 50 prospect list that holds any merit. He's a real good prospect on top of that we get a consistent 20 goal scorer on a not too bad contract and a 2nd in the 45 to 55 range. I'd say that's pretty good for a player who svored 17 gòals last year. O reilly didn't have a down year if he did he wouldn't have got as much either on top of that he was already signed long term and he is a center. I hope your not trying to imply max could have got o Reilly cause I'm pretty sure habs offered that deal and buffalo said no.


12.) 10 Sep 2018 19:43:58
Idk how people here can say he got an underwhelming return imo.

In general, our trade evaluations were that Patches value had dipped and would get a 1st and a meh prsopect. He got Suzuki, Tatar who can probably get a 1st if he bounces back and a 2nd. And Suzuki is a good prospet too - and he plays a position that Montreal is desperately in need of. Maybe I’m an extra bit high about Suzuki, but I’m the fathest from a Hab fan and I think Bergevin may have saved his own a** and job with this.


13.) 10 Sep 2018 20:04:02
O’Rielly is not a fair comparison at all. Different position, player type, age, contract situation etc.


14.) 10 Sep 2018 22:16:37
Very underwhelming especially now considering its 5 years of him. He's apperently one of the super elite scorers of the last decade or so, 5 years of him should have gotten more, no?


15.) 10 Sep 2018 23:25:42
Not with how he played last year. value went down.
I'm happy with the return, wish the 2nd was a 1st but it's all good.
To be honest, I'd really like to see patches playing along side Stasney. Unfortunately it will be on a different team, but he has never had a reliable center to play alongside. Vegas made some great upgrades this off-season.


16.) 10 Sep 2018 23:37:24
I think it is fair value for both sides. Habby you’re right about not pleasing everyone. However, “ that’s pretty good for a guy who scored 17 goals last year” is different from what you would have said yesterday. Is Pacioretty on the decline now that he’s gone or is he still the 30+ goal scoring leader that you thought he was for years?


17.) 10 Sep 2018 23:56:11
It’s definitely a different tone. When I would say he would not get a great return coming off a bad year, I was told I was wrong. Now I admit this is better than I thought they would get, but this is what I’ve said about when a guy leaves, your opinion changes in a hurry. It did with galchenyuk too. For the last 6 months while surrounded by rumours he’s been “a 35 goal scorer” and you ignored people saying he’s only as good as last year unfortunately. Now it’s “good for a guy with 17 goals”.


18.) 11 Sep 2018 00:11:23
As a Habs fan. and Patches fan, I'll say he just had a down year. I don't know if he (or almost anyone) was able to take the pressure of being a Habs captain, especially on one of the worst seasons in the franchise history . He gets a fresh start in Vegas, with a lot less pressure. . he doesn't have to be the main kog in the offense. this may he the season he finally hits 40 IMO. and I hope he does. was a class act in Montreal, and a really good player for the team.


19.) 11 Sep 2018 00:26:04
Actually leafs 17 it's more then I expected or would have paid. Don't lump me in the delusional category. And it has nothing to do with being or not being the player he was. All though even at 4 years Vegas is still taking a chance on him. Also at 7 mil in Vegas apparently montreal would have had to pay 9.5 per year to match it and he wasn't worth that in his best year. i liked pacioretty as a player and actually stood up for him on times when he slumped every year in the playoffs but knowing now for sure which I suspected all along that he asked for a trade last year really makes m think when the going gets tough he would sooner disappear then face it. that being said he was good for the habs except for last year when he was awful but it was time to move on I'm glad they didn't resign him to a huge contract and I'm super glad they got this good of a return.


20.) 11 Sep 2018 00:27:30
But in case your referring to my comparison of him with simmonds I still think he has slightly more value then simmonds.


21.) 11 Sep 2018 02:04:12
The reason I brought up the 17 goal season jim was cause that's what most of you guys were tossing around. Pretty good return for a 17 goal scorer hey. Also a lot of you said he wouldn't get much of anything in return cause bergevin wasn't dealing from a position of strength. pretty good return IMO I'm quite pleased with this patch could score 40 with Vegas and suzuki may never pan out but this is still a good return at the moment. One of the main reasons other then patch was playing hardball and would have never signed here for 4 years 28 mil is he doesn't really fit in with the type of forward group the habs are putting together now. They are going younger and faster up front and eventhough he's still good he's getting older and slower. fits in better with Vegas as most of there team is over the age of 25.


22.) 11 Sep 2018 02:06:50
Essentially it should be good for everyone involved. Less pressure on pacioretty and a fresh start should help him regain his form habs get a good prospect a decent pick and a player with some skill who will out score patches totals from last year that they can keep or potentially trade again.


23.) 11 Sep 2018 04:21:02
I was referring to every habs fan saying he is a 30+ goal scoring leader. Not just you. One bad season surrounded by all the controversy and now he’s a 17 goal scorer. I’m guessing he bounces back but who knows. I think it was a good deal for Montreal, especially if Suzuki turns out to be good. For the record, I’d take Simmonds in a heart beat and I stayed out of that conversation.


24.) 11 Sep 2018 14:23:41
i don't like that vegas gave up suzuki in the deal, i liked him as a prospect but for a player of caliber of patches you need to give up a big piece, so i understand. it fit bot team's needs and montreal could be dangerous down the middle in a few years once their center prospects develop. good trade for both teams.


25.) 11 Sep 2018 18:46:53
Good trade for both teams right now. Give it a few years and Montreal could be the real winners depending on how Suzuki develops, who that 2nd round pick is, and either how Tatar does or what they get for him if traded.


26.) 12 Sep 2018 09:22:46
Mostly what i was trying to state is that Patches was suppose to, (By habs fans and sports Analyst) haul in way more than a 40-60 ranked prospect a 27 year old 15-20goal scorer (who is not worth a 1st unles 50% retained and i still don't see people doing that) and a 2nd in the 50 - 62 range.

The expectations for patches last year at deadline was (using blues as examples)

Thomas, 1st rnd pick and a roster player or
Kyrou, Kostin 1st roster

LA
Vilardi tofolli +

There was a lot of crazy rumors. There were several Articles that sports writers were writing about getting robert thomas. It was crazy and out of control.

Now you get Suzuki a 2nd and tatar and your ok with that. I think its a little more back peddling like Buffalo did with ROR and less accepting an underwhelming haul.


27.) 12 Sep 2018 15:00:32
We'll redwing you can be a fool and believe everything the media says or you can look at it realistically . If you believe the report la offered vilardi toffoli and their 1st I think you would have to be a fool. And even still if this trade happened there would be some who would still say it wasn't enough. Plus the blues said last year they were not trading thomas or kyrou so both those rumors are out the window. The habs got a consistent 20 goal man a top 30 to 40 prospect IMO and a 2nd which I feel will be around 50th . Even if pacioretty gets back to 30 goals that's still a good return. Let me ask you this patches at 7 mil scores 30 and tater at 4.8 scores 22 in a cap world wouldn't that be close to even?


28.) 12 Sep 2018 19:34:49
Call me a fool then because the expectations from fans and media had you getting a kings ransom. You got pretty much nothing. A cap dump due tatars high salary for his production a crappy second pick and suzuki who is even ranked in most top fifty prospects. I am not trying to knock you Suzuki is a good looking younbg player but the pick at 50-62 is not looking good.

Shattenkirk got a 1st a c/ lw in Zach sanford who actually played in the playoffs and was pretty good till injury and another pick 2nd round conditional pick.

That seemed underwhelming.

We ended up using that pick to get center Brayden SChenn. So yes it was a very underwhelming return for MTL. I think you just are in denial and won't admit it.


29.) 12 Sep 2018 20:13:43
I don't have time right now I may get on later though to point out some of the things you are wrong about. But your starting to sound like someone who said all along they would get nothing for pacioretty and now that they did you are in denial . Lol.


30.) 12 Sep 2018 21:27:30
1st off I don't see how a guy goes from getting a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd at 5.3 mil to being a cap dump at 4.8 mil. Especially after about 30 games. Tater is a more consistent 20 goal scorer then pacioretty is a consistent 30 scorer cause tater has got 20 goals every year except his first full year when he got 19 goals in 73 games. He's not a cap dump by no means at least not yet. Suzuki is a top 50 prospects whether all these lists you talk about have him on it or not. I read a list yesterday that had joe veleno ahead of brady tkachuk and filip zadina so maybe it was that one. the 2nd pick is Columbus so it's probably around 50th.


31.) 12 Sep 2018 21:31:56
So shattenkirk got a first 27th overall, that future superstar zach sand ford and a 2nd. So let's just compare montreal gets a 2017 13th overall pick a 2nd and tomas tater soooo
13th pick = much better then a 27th pick
Tomas tater = much better then zach Sanford
2nd = 2nd. Hope that helps!


32.) 12 Sep 2018 21:37:39
The schenn trade also cost you another 1st along with the one they aquired in the shatt trade. So if montreal trades tater again for a 2nd and drafts a 30 goal winger would you say they won the deal then?


33.) 12 Sep 2018 22:52:21
I think the habs did great. Patches is coming off a terrible season and returned a top C prospect, A replacement and a 2nd round pick. Suzuki seems drastically underrated in this situation.


34.) 12 Sep 2018 23:47:16
Also where are all these top prospect lists that don't have him in the top 50 I just took the time to find 5 and they all had him between 23rd and 38th, 23rd is a little high IMO but the 30 to 35 spot is just about right.


 

 

03 Aug 2018 14:51:27
Buffalo Sabres Lineup:

Jeff Skinner - Jack Eichel - Sam Reinhart
Connor Sheary - Casey Mittelstadt - Kyle Okposo
Alexander Nylander/ Scott Wilson - Patrick Berglund - Evan Rodrigues
Vladimir Sobotka - Zemgus Girgensons - Tage Thompson
**Danny O’Regan, CJ Smith

Rasmus Dahlin - Rasmus Ristolainen
Marco Scandella - Lawrence Pilut
Nathan Beaulieu - Jake McCabe
*Matt Hunwick

Trade Bait: Jason Pominville, Johan Larsson, Zach Bogosian, Casey Nelson, Nic Baptiste, Matt Moulson.

I think that BUF should package all of these pieces together (or a majority of them) to alleviate cap and allow these players to have places to play.

Trade:
(RW) Jason Pominville + (LW) Johan Larsson + (D) Zach Bogosian + (LW) Nic Baptiste to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for (D) Jon Merrill + (RW/ IR) David Clarkson + (G) Oscar Dansk + 2020 2nd Round Pick + 2019 3rd Round Pick.

Pominville >> Clarkson (Even though Clarkson counts towards IR)
Bogosian > Merrill (Main idea here is to get rid of Bogosians Contract, despite Bogo being better)
Larsson/ Baptiste.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 03 Aug 2018 16:03:27
Lines aren’t bad really don’t think Dahlin will start to year on the 1st pair that’d be a huge mistake he’s 18 and not ready for top pairing minutes and I feel like Tage Thompson will be a little bit higher in the lineup.


2.) 03 Aug 2018 21:59:33
You’re right vbb, you know the disagrees are just Habby lol you could say Montreal is in the province of Quebec and he’s going to disagree with you. His time of the month.

But yeah a lot for buffalo this year depends on goaltending obviously. I like ROR and thought they would be worse without him but after seeing how much they got for him and how little they just gave up for skinner, I’m impressed. Going to be a lot more competitive than I expected, that’s for sure. If Hutton is as good this year as he’s shown in spurts last year, they should might battle for a wild card, or atleast play some meaningful games after February.


3.) 03 Aug 2018 22:35:41
Yeah I agree but I’m not very confident that Huton can effectively handle the workload as a starter but time will tell I think in a few years they’ll start to become a top team as Dahlen and their future draft picks develope.


4.) 03 Aug 2018 22:38:54
I only disagree to your post jim. I'd appreciate if you stopped the name drops lol. If you got to use my name in your posts to make them better then really what does that say about you lol. i actually agree with vbbb here which is somewhat rare lately.


5.) 04 Aug 2018 15:00:22
Hard to say where they put dahlin. Probably depends on preseason if it's first or second pair. Some players thrive on being thrown into the deep end.


6.) 05 Aug 2018 05:09:53
Habby, you click disagree on mine 5 times and agree on yours 5 times lol who’s the one that needs help? Again, I don’t relate my self worth to this, have a full life outside. Keep livin the dream kid.


7.) 05 Aug 2018 05:16:35
Jim what makes you think I do that. are you so sure your right all the time that other people can't hit the disagree button on your post. So it must be me cause heaven forbid someone else disagree with you. and I ain't no kid big boy I've seen my team win a few cups and on it was on a colour tv too.


8.) 06 Aug 2018 20:40:28
Because you’re the only response after most of mine with all the unbelievables, and as pkane pointed out on the last page, after you and I argued, there’s even unbelievables on the confirmed trade i posted lol has you written all over it.

I’ve told you this before, I don’t measure my self worth in your responses. You need to click believable on your own and unbelievable on people you don’t like to make yourself feel superior. Nothing I can do to stop you, and I wouldn’t anyway. You clearly need that in your life. Mines real good man.


9.) 06 Aug 2018 21:43:25
So like my reply above this one which had 0 disagrees the last 2 days and 10 minutes after you came back on here today mysteriously had 3 . hmmmmmmm what do you think went on there jim?


10.) 06 Aug 2018 21:44:49
The level of your paranoia is getting close to the level of your bias. We'll not really but you know what I mean.


11.) 07 Aug 2018 00:01:01
I click agree or disagree once lol I haven’t done more than one.


12.) 07 Aug 2018 05:45:46
Yeah ok jim. Cause you said it then it must be fact lol.


13.) 07 Aug 2018 12:45:40
Okay. Sabres didn't trade for Jeff skinner. I made that up lol.


14.) 07 Aug 2018 15:25:06
I didn't click disagree on that. I had posted the same trade before you why would I disagree. Stop playing the victim man.


 

 

01 Aug 2018 12:47:48
A more realistic idea:

(LW) Mikkel Boedker to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for (D) Kris Russell.

- Edmonton could use speedy wingers. Boedker is exactly that. Maybe he revitalizes alongside McDavid. Russell is extra as a DFD with Larsson and Nurse there as better versions of that.
- Ottawa is looking at trading EK. If they do, their blueline will be led by Chabot and Ceci. They could use more help. Russell could be a good mentor for Chabot too and could be a replacement for Methot,

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 01 Aug 2018 13:43:48
if they trade Russell for a winger they create a big hole on D and then rely on a rookie and Benning full time. I would trade for Boadker, but I would trade a winger and a draft pick for him, not Russell. Russell is the only leftie who can play right side well with only Larsson and Benning being righties.
Nurse Larson
Klefbom Russell
Sekera Benning.


2.) 01 Aug 2018 14:06:29
I don’t think it’s bad, makes sense with how you described it but I think Edmonton might have to add a bit. Just because I can’t see Ottawa trading the biggest piece of the hoffman deal so quick without getting prospects and/ or picks while being able to justify it to fans.


3.) 01 Aug 2018 15:30:51
If trading Russel leaves a hole on D, you've got bigger problems.


4.) 01 Aug 2018 22:42:42
Oil signed Reider and now have Aberg so I don’t think Boedker is much of a need right now but I would’ve been all over that last season. But as far as losing Russell they could easily sign someone to eat some minutes. Benning was definitely more effective on the third pairing but signing a bottom pairing vet could still work. And I don’t think they’ll make a major trade now that Bouchard is in the system. Also I can see them wanting to save face in a sense but Boedker has little to no value.


5.) 01 Aug 2018 22:58:25
@yup

Thats also nearly 20 million tied into your d, with Nurse needing pay. Russell>Selera so Ottawa wouldn't take Sekera, and the others are better. You guys need to acquire some help on the wing without depleting your wings further, and I think Russell is the right way to go. And @unsportsmanlike is right 100%. Lol.


6.) 01 Aug 2018 23:17:46
I’m no oilers fan but why does everyone think if a winger is traded there Mcdavid would “revitalize him” would Mikkel Boedker really play 1st line? If that’s the case then take every 37 point player from last yr and trade them to Edmonton and they will be all stars.


7.) 02 Aug 2018 04:53:52
@madeindade28 I didn’t watch all of there games but Boedker had some chemistry with Draisaitl on team Europe during the World Cup or whatever it was called. Again I haven’t watched a ton of Boedker but he plays a similar north south speed game to Hall, who had good chemistry with Draisaitl.


 

 

 

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08 Sep 2018 03:25:14
Erik Karlsson (No extension) + Bobby Ryan + Zack Smith to the Pittsburgh PENGUINS in exchange for Evgeni Malkin + Phil Kessel + KRIs Letang + Daniel Sprong + 1st.

Ottawa takes an insanetdowngrade on defence, barely upgrades on the wing, and slightly upgrades at centre, as Smith is easiky the best 3C in the league, while MAlkin is just a 2C. HOW insane can anyone be to think erik karlson gets less than this, erik karlsson is better than conor mcdavd and sidney crosby. MAlkin is nothing compared to him. See this is a real rumor!

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 08 Sep 2018 16:31:18
Wow! This trade is very poor for the Pens. Malkin alone would be a fair trade for an unsigned Karlsson rental. Kessel, Letang, Sprong and a 1st is way over payment for Smith and a Ryan with his crazy contract. No upside or long term value for Pitt. The Sens would jump at this trade a possibly trade off some or all of these players at the trade deadline for future assets.


2.) 08 Sep 2018 16:33:45
Take out Sprong, Add Crosby at %50'retained.


3.) 08 Sep 2018 17:38:29
@Yupp

Maybe Crosby @50, and then add on Murray too. But then ottawa woukd have to trade back Anderson whos 10x the goalie Murray is and clearly retracted his trade request. Ottawa has all the time in the world with this Kaelsson situation, see EK, Duchene and Stone all WANT to resign with the Sens!


4.) 08 Sep 2018 20:58:33
Ottawa declines because their owner is to cheap.


5.) 08 Sep 2018 23:42:41
Vbb is absolutely correct. Their owner doesn't want those expensive players in return.
Dorion would hesitate anyways and then counters with that package for Hagelin, 2019 3rd, 2020 6th.


 

 

03 Aug 2018 13:30:33
Yesterday, Jeff Skinner was traded within the conference, to another ‘bubble’ team for a rather underwhelming return. Possibly this is a trend for scoring wingers coming off of down years. As for Toronto, although extremely unlikely due to our pursuit for dmen, I’d like to see us try and acquire a full rental LW for cheap, since out depth on the left side isn’t the strongest (Marleau/ Hyman/ Johnsson) .

This scenario is unlikely since they are divisional rivals, but.

Max Pacioretty (LW - 4.50 Million x 1 Year) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Jeremy Bracco (RW - ELC) + Josh Leivo (LW - 650K x 1 Year) + 2019 2nd Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.

Essentially a better return for Patches than for Skinner. Bracco = Pu; Leivo >> 6th; 2nd+2nd > 2nd+3rd. And I’d argue since Skinner is coming off of a better year than Patches, Skinner is worth more, but it makes sense that Toronto would pay more since they are in the division. This essentially loads up Torontos top6 and makes any line matchup impossible. As a rental, with the price of Hoff and Skinner being reduced to nil, Patches value must have also plummeted.

(Btw, i'm basing this on an assumption that Skinners value = Patches or is very close to it) .

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1.) 03 Aug 2018 14:37:30
I’d do that from leafs POV.


2.) 03 Aug 2018 14:46:09
I wouldn’t want to pay any more than skinner got. So if you matched the picks (2,3,6), rather than us paying that extra second I think it’s fair. Skinner is coming off a good year and a great year before that which I would have more confidence in. Contracts end the same time so no advantage to one or the other there. Skinner has higher salary, so to some teams that makes patches more valuable, but doesn't affect us with $20 mill this season. (13-14 mill after Nylander) . Montreal May want more from us, understandably, because of the division rival thing, but they know we wouldn’t be resigning him and they know they aren’t competing directly for anything with us this season. So they should just take the best return regardless where it comes from.


3.) 03 Aug 2018 15:16:18
Or they could just keep him and see what happens between now and the trade deadline.


4.) 03 Aug 2018 20:10:10
If he has a down year like last year @Habby, on a seemingly worse Habs team (Kotka won’t play, Chucks downgrades as an offensive threat to Domi), idk if you’d realistically get much more. It’s worth the gamble I guess considering returns are extremely low right now, but looking at scoring winger trades in the past; besides Nash which was an extreme overpayment by Boston, they haven’t had very good return.

He could probably get a 1st at the deadline if he puts up similar numbers to last year, but I don’t think much more.


5.) 03 Aug 2018 21:25:21
A first would be a good return IMO for the habs. More picks the better. Plus the habs will have the ability to retain salary which is something I'm pretty sure carolina did not want to do. either way galchenyuk not being there will not influence pacioretty much if any at all. Domi on the other hand could probably work out we'll for him.


6.) 03 Aug 2018 21:34:51
Might be a pretty realistic post. Not what i would want back but i'm biased, lol.


7.) 03 Aug 2018 23:31:00
@TSS, the Nash one was a pretty good return but remember that they sent back beleskys (while retaining on it) bad contract in there too. So a portion of the return definitely goes towards covering that and not all for Nash. So a later 1st and Spooner who is the best piece in it, but bruins knew they couldn't sign him. Still a better return than a canes got for a whole year of much younger skinner tho for sure.


 

 

03 Aug 2018 00:02:01
Skinner to BUF for Pu, a 2nd and some other picks.

Man, Buffalo could be a team on a mission this year.

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01 Aug 2018 13:33:10
I wanted to see peoples opinions on thse teams for the next five-ten years (They’re all younger teams; TB not included lol)

- Buffalo
- Toronto
- Philadelphia
- Carolina
- Winnipeg
- Vancouver
- Arizona
- Edmonton

I think that in the next five - seven years, the majority of Stanley Cups will either goes to these teams or Tampa. Cause the older teams would just fall away. My personal ranking, as with current prospects, lineups, picks, trades, etc.

1. Winnipeg
2. Toronto
3. Philadelphia
4. Buffalo
5. Arizona
6. Carolina
7. Edmonton
8. Vancouver.

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1.) 01 Aug 2018 14:25:39
I believe that coaching, chemistry, avoiding injuries, depth and the use of their cap space will ultimately be the deciding factors in which teams have the most success in the future. All these teams have good young talent but talent alone usually doesn't win cups.


2.) 01 Aug 2018 16:44:53
A lot of time for things to change and mistakes to be made but pretty good list. I would put Edmonton ahead of Carolina and philly, mainly because of mcdavid tho. It’s a team sport and one guy can’t win for you in hockey like in the NBA, but if anyone can come close, it’s him.


3.) 01 Aug 2018 17:56:53
Philly if carter hart can become a real good number 1 goalie, like among the leagues best may have a shot. toronto edmonton and buffalo with all the top draft picks they have had should all be contenders soon. arizona Carolina and Vancouver all have a lot of work to do yet. but I mean Vegas made it to the stanley cup finals so I guess anything is possible.


4.) 01 Aug 2018 20:09:26
1.Winnepeg ( but it depends on what happens with Trouba and Wheeler could easily change)
2. Toronto
3. Buffalo ( they have a franchise Center and Dman + Midelstad who will be a stud and whoever they pick up next year. They can make it to the top potentially imo. )
4. Tampa ( if they get Karlsson things change but they need to work on that PK bad )
5.Philly
6. Arizona


The rest I don’t believe can amount to much because you can’t win a cup without good manegment and those teams need a change imo especially Edmonton. If they get a change then they could move up.


5.) 02 Aug 2018 09:33:52
Props for ranking BUF over TB, VB.


6.) 02 Aug 2018 09:35:20
Oil fans have been saying this for years. Lol but they have young depth in every position except maybe left wing. And who knows with goaltending, for any team really.
There young established NHLers are McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH. They have Puljujarvi and Yamamoto coming up with high potential. Young depth players in Khaira, Strome, Rattie and Aberg. (Not a fan of Cagguila)
On D they have a Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom as young established NHLers. They also have Bouchard, Bear and Jones who are young with high potential. Benning also a young depth D with some potential.
A question mark in net with Talbot (statistically he’s been solid/ average and should bounce back next season) but Stewart Skinner has a lot of potential.

Once some young guys step into roles, a couple bad contracts are off the books and they can sign some support players Oil could be a good team.


7.) 02 Aug 2018 21:04:23
I think I’d actually take buffalo over Toronto on my 2nd thoughts.


8.) 02 Aug 2018 21:15:35
If sabres forwards pan out, they won’t be as good as Toronto’s forward group maybe, but more than good enough. Plus they have high end d potential that we don’t have in Dahlin. But they really need to figure out goaltending. If the forwards take the next step and they get even slightly above average goaltending they will be good.


9.) 02 Aug 2018 23:49:23
I guess vbb’s is not entitled to his opinion triplets? Tampa is a good team but there are many others and there’s usually some underdogs that step up.


10.) 03 Aug 2018 00:14:40
Now added skinner, Buffalo should be pretty good I’m a year or two.


11.) 03 Aug 2018 05:28:09
Give them another year they look much better with Jack Hughs as the 2c.


12.) 03 Aug 2018 07:49:00
@Leafs17: So me saying props for ranking Team X over Team Y means me saying VB isn't entitled to his opinion?
You're really on the next level of stupid, pal.


13.) 03 Aug 2018 10:10:57
We know you’re a lightning fan pal. What were you getting at then? You must agree with vbb's.


14.) 03 Aug 2018 14:46:04
@TheTriplets I understand it’s an Outlandish opinion I’d just rather have a Eichel, Middelstad and Dahlin core then Stamkos, Kucherov And Hedman Core. Also I’m assuming they draft another star next season and grab a good goalie. But the Sabres don’t have Vaisalvsky that’s for sure.


15.) 04 Aug 2018 16:57:52
@Leafs17: What has me being a Lightning fan to do with this? I just said its a wild idea to think BUF has a better future outlook than TB, because those teams haven't been anywhere near each other the last ~5 years. While I agree that BUF is an up and coming team, there are no signs of TB slowing down, with them still having a relatively young team as well as one of the deepest prospect pools in the league.

@VB: How is this core better than TBs? Like, even assuming absolutely perfect development curves for the 3 Sabres, neither is going to be better than any of the TB players, no?
Eichel is really good, but will he ever be better than Stamkos? If so, it's prolly a coin toss. I like Mittelstadt as a prospect but will he ever score 100 points in the NHL? We don't know, but how would he ever be better than Kuch is right now? Dahlin is 18, if he develops perfectly he'll be as good as Hedman one day.
See what I'm saying? While all 3 TB players are already proven superstars, those BUF players are sure super talented but they need everything to go super well, just to be on the same level as the TB players.


16.) 05 Aug 2018 01:40:04
Fair enough triplets, I agree with you. I just don’t think you would’ve given vbb’s props had he put Buffalo over Toronto, but we all know he wouldn’t do that.


17.) 06 Aug 2018 08:25:43
Well my "props" were sarcastic anyways. It was meant like "thats a weird thing to do, VB"


 

 

22 Jul 2018 20:18:12
Trouba - 5.5 mil x 1 year.

Appearntly is a UFA at seasons end. If like such, doesn’t his value diminish slightly?

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1.) 22 Jul 2018 20:32:57
Seriously? He just got a one year deal, And is now a UFA after this upcoming season? Thought he would still be a RFA.


2.) 22 Jul 2018 21:22:44
No, Trouba is still RFA after this contract is up.


3.) 22 Jul 2018 21:22:47
YEah was unsure of it to @yup

Saw it on a trustworthy IG source, that's why.


4.) 22 Jul 2018 22:25:33
@topshelf,
It doesn't surprise me that you don't understand simple, basic contract rules.


5.) 23 Jul 2018 05:23:07
Doesn’t surprise me that memarcusjoe doesn’t know what a ‘grammatical redundancy’ is.


6.) 23 Jul 2018 11:40:28
@Marcus

Doesn’t surprise that ne you’d probabky think that trouba is worth the sun and the moon and you can’t even argue with logical points.


 

 

 

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Lol were trying to save money by tradibg Nylander not taking on dead weight Sutter.

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23 Sep 2018 18:17:44
Yeah, could see something like the 3rd being removed and a conditional pick being sent Toronto’s way if Gardiner resigns. I think Sparks has to be in the trade tho, or maybe McElheinney or sumting. kings def need a backup better than Budaj.

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23 Sep 2018 18:16:02
I can’t tell if this is a troll or is dead serious.

If its a troll, not too impressive, still better than Rambo.

If its serious. Well. Uh. Well. Uh. Lol.

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23 Sep 2018 00:58:42
Oh. I’m going value. Yeah right now Panarins better, not going to lie.

Age, contract and value, takin Marner in a heartbeat tho, as should most.

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22 Sep 2018 21:15:57
Maybe then LA could add in a second? Or LA trades the third instead of Toronto?

Cause I’m in favour of getting controllable assets as Toronto, and not overpaying for UFAs like Gardiner [basically saving some UFA years at a cost controlled price]

Lol, i hardly watch the Kings, but i assumed that Martinez is still a solid dman. Maybe not the offensive force, but maybe defensively sound? And if we get that, then Rielly/ Martinez/ Dermott is a solid LHD for three years imo.

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