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19 May 2019 15:35:26
Just a little idea:

Toronto Trades: Patrick Marleau (6.25M x 1 Year) + Connor Brown (2.1M x 1 Year) + Jeremy Bracco (AHL)

Arizona Trades: Conditional 1st Round Pick

Condition: If Marleau is bought out by Arizona, no pick is awarded to Toronto.

In essence, Arizona swallows 6M off of Marleaus salary for a top9 forward in Brown and a PPG guy in the AHL in Bracco. This is similar to Grubauer+Orpik for 2nd+3rd, however, the return with Marleau is less because Toronto doesn’t acquire anything in return. The Conditional 1st is there for one reason: to ensure that Marleau waives his NTC; Arizona won’t want to give up the 1st, so they can buy him out and he can return to Toronto, just like Orpik did.

Toronto does this to save 8M in cap, and we don’t disrupt the locker room as Marleau would return like Oprik on a team friendly 1 year deal. It isn’t considered cap circumvention, its just frowned upon.


1.) 19 May 2019 17:29:19
Zero chance Arizona would consider putting their first on the line for this and zero chance Marleau waives to go to Arizona. The league has also closed the Orpik loophole, so this would be cap circumvention.

2.) 19 May 2019 20:45:30
Marcus, i didn't realize that it isn't circumvention. And they really aren’t putting their first on the line because its literally just there to make sure Marleau gets bought out. And Marleau would waive to be bought out.

And I’m just curious, how did the league fix the Orpik-loophole?

3.) 19 May 2019 20:48:29
Cause I read from a Washington source that the move McLellan did was only considered ‘really good’. The NHL investigated and found nothinh that was wrong with it, cause the rule states that a team cannot buyout and then resign. Trading, being bought out and resigning is different, at least from the rules i’ve seen. Idk if they changed it.

4.) 19 May 2019 21:50:55
I guess they haven't really changed it, but they said they will monitor these situations closely. Apparently, the league was satisfied with the explanation that Washington had no intention of re-signing Orpik after Colorado originally bought him out since that would be cap circumvention.

So, with what you are planning, the league would easily discover the original intent and veto the deal. Which is why I can't see Marleau agreeing to it.

How does the first guarantee he is bought out? Why can't they just use their 7th or something worthless?

5.) 19 May 2019 22:12:20
maybe toronto can work something out with San jose.

6.) 20 May 2019 04:09:33
Pretty fair value wise but cap wise no and i don't think Marleau would waive either

7.) 20 May 2019 16:40:00
Oh @Marcus, the first was kinda included rather than future considerations that way Arizona knows that they have to buy him out, and Marleau too knows of this. So that way, he gets bought out and allows for himself to find the best possible solution, most likely back with Toronto by late summer.

And i do agree that the NHL will monitor this stuff, but since the buyout will be paid within the cap (not like Lecavalier when they tried to send him to Toronto for a buyout and it got vetoed) itll probably still work.

8.) 20 May 2019 22:15:43
Marleau envokes his NTC and says NOPE.



12 May 2019 19:05:20
Edmonton Oilers Acquire:
Mathieu Perreault [4.125 Million x 2 Years]
Dmitry Kulikov [4.3 Million x 1 Year]

Winnipeg Jets Acquire:
Kris Russell [4.0 Million x 2 Years]
Sam Gagner [3.1 Million x 1 Year]

Edmonton acquires the best player in the deal [Perreault], while taking on appx. 1 Million more in salary.

Winnipeg frees up 1 Million in salary and acquires a stop-gap blueliner in Russell, considering they'll lose Myers, Chiarot, Beau and potentially Trouba.

Essentially, a change of scenery for all four players involved.


1.) 12 May 2019 20:13:12
I don’t think this trade makes the Oilers better and I think if they trade these two players they need to save cap.

2.) 12 May 2019 20:22:23
This trade doesn't help the Jets at all as Russell and Gagner would not make the Jets better. I can see Perreault being part of a bigger trade to get the Jets a player they really need.

3.) 12 May 2019 23:01:23
No thanks from Winnipeg. The Jets can't afford to take on two cap dumps.

4.) 13 May 2019 00:27:29
What's this kings ransom perrault going to get? hasn't Winnipeg been trying to trade him for while?

5.) 13 May 2019 01:53:10
@Ebs, I think Perreault is decent enough to hold his own along McDavid, he's gotten 40 before, could be decent. At worst, its a lateral move tbh, but I can see why Kulikov for Gagner is an issue,

And @IJ, I doubt Perreault goes for anything close to market value. he's in the same cap tier as Russell tbh.

6.) 13 May 2019 02:52:25
Kinda seems like a sideways move for both teams. can't see it making either team better. And sure Edmonton would like to shed salary same as Winnipeg.

7.) 13 May 2019 03:06:32
Perrault is good player, yes. He is best player in trade, yes. So that is reason Jets do not make this trade. I do not think they need to save $1M so bad to make this trade.

8.) 13 May 2019 03:21:12
Brodie has sometimes been very good and sometimes very bad. If he's always on his game he's very good but isnt. But toffoli has had a rough go of it for a while.

9.) 13 May 2019 05:45:59
I’d guess Perreault might have a little more value than Russell and Gagner has more value than Kulikov. I agree it’s pretty neutral and I think the Oil can move Russell and save much needed cap. I don’t think Jets would do it either.

10.) 14 May 2019 05:59:33
Gagne would be in the Ahl in Winnipeg, while kulikov would be a 5-6 D on edm. Why not just swap those 2? Save Winnipeg 1mil and edm gets a defender.

11.) 14 May 2019 06:34:51
Because the Oilers don’t need a 4M 6-7th D. Lol they already have two over paid bottom pair D.



12 May 2019 01:25:40
Maple Leafs Trade:
Connor Brown (RW: 2.1 Million x 1 Year)
2020 4th Round Pick

Blues Trade:
Robby Fabbri (LW: RFA)

Fabbri hasn't had a good season or playoff this year, but has some solid potential. Brown is better right now, and potentially could stay that way, especially with Fabbris injury history, but its a worthwhile gamble for Toronto, especially since they need cap space. St. Louis gets a guy who could potentially replace Blais/ Steen/ Maroon next year as needed.


1.) 12 May 2019 07:32:29
Toronto must not make this trade, no. Fabbro has a broken body, he cannot play good hockey no more. Brown is worth so very much more than Fabbri. I think is bad trade.

2.) 12 May 2019 13:38:01
I’d do this from the leafs POV allows them to move Kappanen or Johnsson.

3.) 12 May 2019 16:24:00
I would rather have a working Kia than a broken Ferrari.

4.) 12 May 2019 17:54:40
Park the Ferrari in front of the house and makes a statement. It also has potential to get fixed.

5.) 13 May 2019 01:03:02
hahahaha good one!

6.) 13 May 2019 04:05:07
Yeah blues say no fabbri is making leaps Nd bound for missing two years. At 1 mil much needed player for blues his speed kills. We have players like brown.



21 Mar 2019 21:36:34
Not a likely trade, but one that could make sense:

Toronto Trades: Connor Brown [RW - 2.1 Million x 1 Year]
Montreal Trades: Artturi Lekhonen [LW - RFA]

Montreal has Tatar/ Drouin/ Byron on LW; Toronto has Marner/ Nylander/ Kapanen on RW.

Montreal has Gallagher/ Shaw/ Armia on RW; Toronto has Johnsson/ Hyman/ Marleau on LW.

Both teams improve their weaker wing. Montreal gets a controllable asset for the next year at a reasonable price [and imo, the better player], Toronto gets a player who is not under contract, but should receive less than Brown due to his decrease in point-scoring [28-21-25].


1.) 22 Mar 2019 03:28:57
I think is good trade, yes. Leafs have good players in Marlies too though, but maybe they are not ready? Is Moore good enough? I don’t know. Is good trade for both teams. I believe is called a lateral move, yes?

Very good Mr. TopShelfSlappers. I like this trade much.

2.) 22 Mar 2019 21:22:19
Makes sense, good idea. I have no idea why your post has 4 unbelievables tbh, good and realistic post imo

3.) 23 Mar 2019 19:03:32
Lehkonen hits more and has more upside and is a better penalty killer IMO. He's also a year younger and is on a cheaper deal. I see no reason why Montreal considers this unless lehkonen will be looking for a new contract in the 3 mil plus range.

4.) 23 Mar 2019 21:23:19
Lehkonen is an assistant captain and yes his stats are getting worse in the last 2 season but that injury is 100% responsible for that. When he goes back to form he has all the tools to be a 40+ point players.

5.) 23 Mar 2019 21:24:51
Montreal will keep lehkonen he's the better player imo and Lehkonen can play both wings.

6.) 23 Mar 2019 22:09:43
Eh, i think brown/ lekh are even PK and @boom, realistically, if toronto didn’t have marner/ kap/ nylander in the right, brown ‘could’ be a 40 point guy too. But yeee ig for the money if u guys prefer lekh it makes sense.

7.) 25 Mar 2019 16:41:28
Honestly TSS I tought Brown was like a Gallagher esque a type a guy who's not afraid to go in corners to battle for the puck, until the trade deadline when I was talking to an electrician on my worksite who's a big Leafs fan. He was telling her trade Brown anyday of the week and that I was way off with my Gallagher comparisons. I don't watch leads enough only when they play habs but Lekonen goes in the corner and if Brown dosnt that where they value separates.

8.) 25 Mar 2019 16:44:46
TSS if Toronto would have to add something like Bracco and a 3rd pick for mtl to consider. Lehk is still playing decent hockey with only 1 wrist.



02 Mar 2019 17:10:04
Nick Paul to Arizona for a 2018 6th.

Deals can still be made after the deadline, just the players can’t play in the playoffs. Arizona has had putrid luck with injuries, Paul could be a stopgap if anything happens, and Ottawa gets something for a guy that they waived. If ARZ makes the playoffs, likely, some of their guys come back and Paul isn’t even needed.

Idk, we haven’t seen many ‘subsequent-deadline’ deals even tho they can happen, maybe a small deal like this happens for teams like ARZ or even TOR with a dman - just for the stretch run.


1.) 02 Mar 2019 17:43:23
But. Paul is a B prospect that can headline a trade for a top 6 forward or top 4 D. Worth at least a 2nd no matter what everyone but Rambo says.

2.) 02 Mar 2019 19:52:17
Holy, I was just reading through past posts and I saw that loool. I was going to go with a guy like Christopher Ehn, or Paul or something else, but chose Paul to see what Rambo had to say.

3.) 02 Mar 2019 20:04:04
so paul for last year's 6th round pick? who did arizona pick in 2018 in the 6th round? i'm pretty sure you mean 2019 6th round. even then i think paul could get a 4th or 5th.

4.) 08 Mar 2019 15:24:26
Paul is big. But that is all he is. Arizona can draft big AHL players themselves. They just prefer do it first round is all.




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25 Apr 2019 22:06:36
Okay, let's do something here:

Who are the Top Players on Canadian teams? let's just settle something. i'm not picking at Winnipeg, or Montreal or anyone. Just generally. Cause none of us have won since 93. We can't be picking at one another just because we ‘won one more series’

Im not going to rank, i'm just going to put in tiers and separate based on position:

T1: McDavid
T2: Johnny, Tavares, Matthews, Drais, Marner, Wheeler, Schief, Monahan, Petterson.
T3: Laine, Lindholm, Boeser, Domi, Tkachuk, Gallagher
T4: RNH, Ehlers, Horvat, Nylander

T1: Rielly, Giordano, Chabot
T2: Buff, Weber
T3: Trouba, Morrissey, Muzzin, Petry

1. Price
2. Freddy
3. Hellebyuck.


1.) 26 Apr 2019 02:17:12
Let's do something else and just drop the whole subject. People are biased for their own team and your no different and I'm not saying it to put you down cause I am too. Just don't be like Jim was here and not be able to admit your bias and I really won't have an issue with you or anyone else.

2.) 26 Apr 2019 11:55:05
Oh i'm cool with that. I just don't want this whole ‘talk’ section to turn into a leaf hate forum cause that's what it kinda became in the previous posts. I’m not afraid to say that i’m biased and that the leafs as a whole didn’t have a superb playoff. But that shouldn’t mean the first thing that other fans do is come here and say ‘ha ha laffs 67 losers since 67 golfing szn’ when in reality, none of our teams have done anythinh since 93, and we shouldn’t have so much hate for one another.

3.) 26 Apr 2019 18:12:53
If Morrissey is on there I think Nurse and Klefbom should as well, maybe Larsson too.

4.) 27 Apr 2019 00:41:10
@ebs will admit that i forget them. i'd add klef and larsson to the third tier, and i'd put connor in the forward group as well.



17 Apr 2019 16:10:36
Worst collapse ever. My god Tampa.


1.) 17 Apr 2019 22:09:03
Based on regular season record I would have to agree. That being said clb is a lot closer to Tampa then the regular season totals suggest and that's before the additions at the trade deadline. They can match anyone in forward depth and I think their defence is better then tampas especially with Hedman playing hurt. Also I have always thought bobrovski is a better goalie then vasilievski and torts is a better coach then cooper. i'm waiting to hear the excuse that they lost because yzerman left or somehow he knew they would be swept in the first round so he got out of dodge lol.



27 Feb 2019 23:33:04
Hey, I was looking at NHL Stats, and.

Erik Gustafsson, signed to a 2 year, 2.4 Million Total NHL Deal last year by Chicago has 45 points in 60 games. Originally an Oilers draft pick, I guess was never signed, but holy cow, why isn't this being publicized more? This is an insane pace for, well, basically a sophomore.

I know points aren't the end-all, be-all for dmen, but when you're outscoring Erik Karlsson, you're doing pretty good, lol.


1.) 28 Feb 2019 03:14:01
Snagged him from FA a while back for my fantasy team. He’s killin’ it. As for formerly being an Oilers prospect. yeah, sounds about right. Haha 😂🤦🏼‍♂️.

2.) 28 Feb 2019 03:50:11
Oh boy. jus seems to be one failure after another.

3.) 28 Feb 2019 05:18:26
He's not out scoring kartlson he's got the same amount of points but has played 8 more games. He's playing big minutes for the hawks this year and is having a real good year. I don't really like his defensive play but it still isn't horrible I think in all honesty this will be his career season.

4.) 01 Mar 2019 08:03:40
Tough to call because with Seabrook and Keith on the decline he’s going to continue to get top PP time as long as his play keeps up. After how he’s contributed this season he may get even more ice time next season. Maybe he flounders or maybe it’s just the opportunity he needs to show off his range of skills. Could be a diamond in the rough, who knows.



20 Feb 2019 22:10:30
This is meant as discussion, but @memarcusjoe commented that often, rentals do not pull in top prospects+firsts, etc. Here are some of the most recent 'Big Fish' trade deadline moves [Past 5 Years, or so]

2014: Matt Moulson [Flipped for 2 2nds], 2014 1st, 2015 2nd for Thomas Vanek.

2015: John Moore, Anthony Duclair [Top 20-30 Prospect at the time], 2016 1st, 2015 2nd for Keith Yandle.

2015: Roland McKewon [Decent Prospect at the time], 2015 1st for Andrej Sekera.

2015: Brendan Leispic [Decent Prospect at the time], 2015 1st, Olli Jokinen [Sent to STL for a 6th and Joakim Lindstrom] for Mike Santorelli and Cody Franson.

2015: 2015 1st [Matt Barzal], Rob Klinkhammer for David Perron.

2016: Kris Versteeg for Valentin Zykov [Arguably a highly touted prospect, and regardless, Versteeg was basically a nobody - earlier in the season, he was sent to CAR as a cap dump, and he brought back a pretty good prospect]

2016: Marko Dano, 2016 1st, 2016 2nd for Andrew Ladd [Dano was a pretty good prospect at the time, he was the second big piece in the original Saad to CBJ trade (Anisimov and Dano for Saad)

2017: Jonathan Dahlen for Alex Burrows

2017: Grayson Downing, 2017 1st, 2018 2nd, 2019 4th for Martin Hanzal.

2018: Ryan McDonagh, JT Miller for Vlad Namestnikov [who was having an excellent season], Libor Hajek, Brett Howden, 2018 1st, 2019 2nd [which could become a 1st]

2018: Evander Kane for Danny O'Reagan, 2019 1st.

2018: Paul Stastny for Erik Foley and 2018 1st.

2018: Rick Nash for Ryan Spooner, Matt Beleskey [50% Retained], Ryan Lindgren, 2018 1st, 2019 7th.

All I can say is, a lot of these were guys who were having pretty decent years [Usually 0.7PPG, potentially higher] who were traded for at bare minimum, a 1st and some decent prospect[s]. If you guys want to compare Stone to Andrew Ladd, Paul Stastny or Rick Nash, it basically sums up why your proposals aren't 'up-to-par'. Both Stone and Duchene - as well as Panarin and Bob, are unlike anyone we've seen traded at the deadline in a while. The closest comparisons, imo, are the Yandle/ McDonagh deals. Yandle wasn't as good as Stone, but had the term, which compensated, and he brought back a young 4-5 d in Moore, an arguably top 30 prospect in Duclair and a 1st. That's basically, in todays terms, something like Vesalianen, 1st and a guy like Brandon Tanev or so.

Or, we look at the McDonagh trade, again, McD has the extra year, but I'd argue that Stone, with his defensive play and being a PPG on OTT is a better player. However, just for reasons sake, let's take out the conditional 2nd, which could become a 1st. Now we have Brett Howden, Libor Hajek and a guaranteed 1st [Miller for Vlad was essentially a swap at the time] for McD. This translates, roughly, to Sami Niku, 2019 1st and Mason Appleton.

And even if you take the Rick Nash trade - Spooner was swapped for Beleskey's cap dump, fine. Then you have Lindgren and a 1st, which is basically Logan Stanley and a 1st. But realistically, Mark Stone is much, much, much better than an aging Rick Nash, so you ave to at least add on an extra 1st, or some prospects.

Additionally, if a guy like Pinball posted, 'Fred Gauthier, Garrett Sparks, Jeremy Bracco and a 1st for Mark Stone', a lot of people, would be bashing him, and so should they, because that doesn't come close to acquiring Mark Stone.

However, you [@MMJ and @IJ] shouldn't be saying that the Jets can't trade Niku or so for Stone while saying that the Leafs have to part with Sandin/ Liljegren.


1.) 21 Feb 2019 05:23:01
If I'm Ottawa I'm making sure I get a good return for both. if winnipeg doesn't want to pay it someone else will. Chevy doesn't really like giving up youth for players as much as some gms but if he's in on stone the price has got to be a top prospect a 1st and another player/ prospect at least.

2.) 21 Feb 2019 15:22:32
I think you kind of answered your own question here, with the amount of household names contained in the prospect packages above. All the prospects listed above were B/ C prospects. The only guys who returned more were players with term.

From your examples above you can clearly see that a pure rental almost never returns grade A prospects. Sure there are always GM's that make bad trades trying to save their jobs.

As I said before, if you are willing to throw away a top prospect for 2 months of a player that from historic evidence on improves your Cup chances by 1 or 2%, great. If other fans are more savvy and won't do it, great.

Will Chevy end up giving a top prospect for a rental? Maybe, if he really thinks it's worth it and probably only if he thinks he has a very good chance at re-signing him.

Overall, I'm not too concerned about what Ottawa wants, just what I'm willing to give. If we get Stone we get him, if we don't, we don't.

3.) 21 Feb 2019 22:18:32
The problem is, Andrew Ladd, Rick Nash, Martin Hanzal, Paul Stastny, Evander Kane and Cody Franson aren't really household names. They were either playing really well [Franson], were extremely coveted [Hanzal, Ladd], were aging [Nash, Stastny, Ladd] or were playing poorly [Kane].

Comparatively, Stone is young, extremely coveted and playing really well. There is a difference between him and the previous guys. Its unfair to label his return as similar to those. That's why, I think Yandle's trade was a fair benchmark - Stone is better than Yandle, but Yandle had term.

4.) 22 Feb 2019 04:42:34
I meant that the prospects dealt for the rentals weren't household names. In other words B prospects, or former A's (Duclair) that were clearly longshots to develop into anything much.



29 Jan 2019 00:40:06
I proposed Muzzin and Clifford (both at 50%) for Grundstrom, Sparks, 1st and 2nd prior. I mean, its pretty close🤪.





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23 May 2019 12:57:47
Yeah, i was just thinking that Lucic is still the worse player compared to Shatty in general. Cause when both are at full salary, I’d take Shatty, even if you retain 1-2M on Lucic, I’d still take Shatty. Both aren’t great, but Shatty still has a chance to rebound since its not like the game passed him by (in terms of speed) . that's why if NY retains on Shatty and EDM retains a bit more on Lucic, NY gets the far worse player (likely Lucic ends up like Beleskey tbh) .

I did think it was close though. I j don't know if anyone would retain on a player going the other way in a Lucic trade.




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23 May 2019 12:53:44
The thing is, Daigle and Yakupov were one time busts.

Last few years you had:
Dahlin/ Svech
Hischier/ Patrick (the one true down year, but everyone knew that going into the draft)
Matthews/ Laine
McDavid/ Eichel
Ekblad/ Reinhart
MacKinnon/ Barkov
Yakupov/ Murray

The one true bust year was way back in 2012. And Hughes an Kakko are two guys who are basically like Matthews/ Laine all over again. If you don’t take Kakko over Trouba, i don't know man.




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23 May 2019 03:26:06
So Kadris worth Stephen Johns but Troubas worth more than Kakko.

Come on bud. The bias is clearly, clesrly showing. Its insane.




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22 May 2019 22:06:04
I think cut the retention from Shattenkirk and its good tbh.

Cause Shatty is still a decent enough player. Just not worth his 6.5M, but worth more than Lucic.

Lucic at 4M + #8 for #20 is fair, Shatty isn't negative value, he's just overpaid.




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22 May 2019 22:04:48

Come on. That's not even remotely close; 'may take the 2nd Overall and Lemieux', are you for real, they'd jump on Trouba and the 2RP for Kakko, LMAO.





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