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26 Feb 2024 15:36:29
Sharks Trade
Rutta*

Leafs Trade
Timmons
Grebyonkin (KHL)
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)


*SJ retains 50% of Rutta's remaining 2 years of his contract.


Sharks are rebuilding and this is exactly what teams like SJ do.
Toronto is getting a pretty good RHanded Shooting Defenceman that plays a solid defensive game.
So who today is going to spin it that Rutta is the next best Defenceman in the NHL and SJ would never accept a deal like this ?


Thoughts ?

26 Feb 2024 18:18:34
It's definitely there value wise I think. Once one of the top dmen available for trade get traded it will help to gauge what the ones below will garner in return. Again though I think we should let it ride out this year and regroup in the offseason. See where our prospects/ depth players are at, grab another 1st round prospect this year, and see what FA has to offer. Best case scenario is we stay hot and can carry the play into the playoffs and maybe go on a run.

26 Feb 2024 18:58:05
- "Grebenkin" is an unsigned draft pick from 2022, so if SJ really wanted him, they or any other NHL team can sign him as a Free Agent this summer when he's no longer your team's property. He has zero value in trade.

- Timmins is out indefinitely with "mono".

- So your trade for Rutta comes down to a 3rd. AND SJ retains for 2 years?

Get real Pinball. stop wasting everyone's time with these ridiculous homer trades of yours. They're getting worse, and that's saying something.

It isn't "spin" when someone disagrees with you Pinball, just like it isn't "leaf bias" when someone disagrees with your one-sided trades.

26 Feb 2024 20:11:22
Chickenfoot
Grebyonkin's KHL contract ends after this season not The Leaf rights.
Please at least post facts not what comes out of your own head.
Yes you are spinning this because it's a Leaf trade.

26 Feb 2024 20:34:54
Rutta is a 5/ 6 dman on most teams. But to retain for 2 years the Leafs would need to add.

26 Feb 2024 20:35:04
Also Chickenfoot if a player plays in The KHL which Grebyonkin does Toronto's rights are indefinite, other European Leagues its 4 years.
Grebyonkin was drafted in 2022 so even if he wasn't playing in The KHL which he is Toronto would still have 2 years of rights to Grebyonkin.
Again I hope I have educated you so you stop putting your Chickenfoot in your mouth.

27 Feb 2024 01:26:44
Yah I was pretty positive we owned his rights for at least another year. He is having a pretty good season in the KHL. Take out the retention and I can see SJ being interested. Timmins gives them a younger right shot dman going forward. Not sure if you can trade players who are on the LTIR, SJ would have to see him as someone they can use next season. Grebyonkin is a low risk, mid return player for SJ. From scouting reports I've read he's a bigger body at 6'2 and is primarily a pass first kind of player with pretty good foot speed. SJ is years away from being in the playoff hunt and with Rutta's age he's expendable for SJ.

Everything will come down to what Tanev gets traded for as he's the top RHD that's likely to get traded and will determine what market value is for the players below him.

27 Feb 2024 04:26:17
PINBALL & MG: you are correct about the KHL transfer agreement. GOOD FOR YOU PINBALL! ?. (I’ve never seen you own when you’ve been wrong about anything, but I have no issue with it. )

It’s still a ridiculous trade, and the reality of the trade deadline returns will likely come as a shock for you. Generally teams aren’t looking to add guys with mono at the deadline.

27 Feb 2024 08:57:03
Lol no most teams aren't, but mono isn't forever and the Sharks can afford to wait for his return. It's not outrageous to think that this could land Rutta though. Timmins likely is a regular in SJ's lineup once the mono passes, Grebyonkin gives them a decent prospect, and a 3rd is a 3rd. Get rid of the retention all together from SJ as that does likely make that pick a higher pick because of it.

It will all come down to what Tanev gets as that will set the market for RHD defensive dmen, Grier's interest in Grebyonkin and whether he thinks he ever makes is way across the pond to play in North America. For comparison Grebyonkin's stats in the KHL are better than what Panarin's were at the same age. Whether they can translate to North American hockey and the smaller ice is the question mark.

27 Feb 2024 13:01:36
Chickenfoot
I will always own up to being wrong, what I post is strictly my opinions on Trades.
I will respond if I feel someone else is wrong about certain players.
For example in this proposal SJ is rebuilding and a player like Rutta would be moved to get future assets, Timmons, Grebyonkin and a 3rd are future assets, as for the retention Rutta has a $2,750.000 cap hit for this season and next which means SJ will be on the hook for only $1,375.00 for 2 seasons cap wise which isn't huge for a team rebuilding.

27 Feb 2024 13:58:52
PINBALL: I would agree that 1.375M isn't much for a rebuilding team, but I just don't see any incentive to SJ to make this trade as proposed.

The 3rd can be seen as compensation for retention, but I just don't see SJ seeing either Grebyonkin or Timmins as an enticing package. If they move Rutta it will be for a better package than this in my humble opinion.

For what it's worth, I haven't seen you acknowledge when you were wrong, ever. You didn't see me taking a lap when I bulls-eyed the Monahan trade, etc., nor do I have any issue accepting when I've gotten it wrong. Full kudos to you on this one. I think the reality of the trade deadline trades and returns will be a big surprise to you.

MG: agreed that Timmins' mono isn't forever, and that SJ can afford to play the long game, I just don't see why they'd be enticed to make this trade? They'll be looking for high picks or prospects with upside.

27 Feb 2024 14:58:18
@Chickenfoot Grebyonkin could be looked at as a potential mid/ high level prospect. Key word is obviously potential. Like I said at the same age as Panarin he has more points in the KHL. That's a very promising thing going for him and shows that the potential is there. Whether that potential is ever reached is a complete unknown, like it is with any prospect.

End of the day Grier would have to be pretty high on that potential. Could they get better offers? For sure. Could an offer like this be enough to entice him to pull the trigger? For sure. All comes back to whatever Tanev gets dealt for will set the market for that level and the level below IMO. Should be interesting and I still hold the preference of the Leafs making zero moves and going with the group they have right now. They're hot right now with some ugly wins, but playing good hockey for the back half of the season.

27 Feb 2024 18:25:58
I hear what you're saying MG, and as usual, you make a lot of sense.

Every team needs to have guys playing and contributing on cheap ELC contracts, and this is especially true in Toronto where fewer draft picks have left fewer prospects to fill roster gaps.

My thinking is that if Grebyonkin was any good that he'd already be playing somewhere in the leafs' system, and be under contract.

Rebuilding teams are willing to take on cap if it boosts picks and prospects for a rebuild. I just don't see this package as enticing to SJ. Trade capital is something the leafs are short of at this deadline, and it will be very challenging for Treliving to not trade the two 1st picks he has in the next 3 years to address his deadline needs.

27 Feb 2024 19:23:57
@Chickenfoot I think it's more they are letting him honour his contract before making a push for him to come to North America. I think the potential is there. He's got 19G, 22A, and 41P in 67 games in what some consider the 2nd best league in the world playing; and is only 20 years old. Everything you would ideally want in a prospect. With any player though that comes from over sees it's always will they be able to adjust to the smaller ice surface and the different style of play. From everything I've read he has the offensive skills to be an NHLer, his defensive game needs improvement.

27 Feb 2024 21:44:10
I respect your point of view MG, and I will definitely be interested to see how this kid progresses.

As an unsigned Russian, and all that goes with being a Russian prospect in this day and age, I don’t see him or Timmins as meaningful trade chips that are going to move the needle much for a rebuilding team like SJ. Time will tell the truth I guess, as it always does?.

28 Feb 2024 12:10:36
For sure. A lot of unknowns for sure. Apparently the Leafs are looking at signing him to his ELC. Grier would have to be high on the potential and think that he'd sign with them.

The potential for a busy deadline is there, also potential for it to be a snooze fest. Hopefully lots of action.

28 Feb 2024 17:20:39
MG: I'm leaning more towards the deadline being "sleepier" than usual. It's not breaking news to say it's a capped out league, and I think there will be more teams than usual sit it out, or make smaller moves.

In the long run I think your man Treliving is wise to take a stand and not trade either of his first round picks. Unless you think you're a move or two away, keep your powder dry. It's tough when you're not drafting enough because your roster gets too expensive too fast when you don't have meaningful contributions from players on ELC's.

22 Feb 2024 02:53:46
Mtl- Savard half retain- 3rd pick 2024

Dal- bourque- 1st pick 2024

At the draft

Mtl- gallagher-1st pick wpg 2024-1st pick dal 2024

Too San Jose, Anaheim or Chicago

For future consideration

Then offer guentzel
5 year 50 M

22 Feb 2024 04:12:15
I actually like the Bourque trade a lot, I don’t think it’s too far off tbh. I don’t think they should dump Gallagher tho, he’s an important leader on that team. Maybe they should use those assets in a package for Zegras if he’s available.

22 Feb 2024 13:09:01
- Good one BFG - I think you're bang on with your asset valuations.

- Two 1sts to get rid of Gally's 3 years @ 6.5M is fair, but crippling, when considering the opportunity cost of what those two 1st round picks could be used for in a trade "for" something.

- Gally has been a good soldier for the Habs, and I think they'll do right by him. Perhaps he wants to go somewhere I think they'll make it happen, such as going home to EDM or something like that.

- For example, if the Gally wanted to go to EDM this summer, maybe they could trade his 3 x 6.5M for Campbell's 3 x 5M, and retain whatever some $ to make it work for EDM. (It would be wrong to bury Gally in the minors, but the Habs don't have anything invested in Campbell. The Habs could retain to make the dollars work and make sure Gally was left to finish his career honourably. He's earned that. )

- A buyout would take 6 looooong years at -333K, 2.1M, 4.6M, 2.1M, 2.1M, & 2.1M. I suspect Gally & the Habs will work out something honourable to allow them both to move on the right way.

22 Feb 2024 13:18:58
I wouldn't do the Guentzel signing though, and I'm not sure Zegras is the right trade target.

I know high end talent is hard to find, but his defensive play makes his net offense contribution far less meaningful. Some scorers get it, and some don't. He's a human highlight reel, but I'm not sure he's the kind of guy that helps win a championship. He feels more like a Johnny Gaudreau.

22 Feb 2024 13:20:03
That would be a great add for the Habs! Value wise I think it's there, my only thing is would Dallas want to part with him. Pavelski, Benn, and Seguin are not getting younger and eventually they will need to be replaced. There's free agency or there's the homegrown route. Do they move a player they've developed into a very promising player or move on from him. I don't know what the answer is to that, but the addition of Savard would sure up their defense even more for a playoff run.

23 Feb 2024 01:20:45
@Chickenfoot that Gaudreau comparison seems really accurate actually lol

23 Feb 2024 04:34:20
I see this

Habs lose Gallagher, Monahan Savard

Gain Bourque and guentzel

(Still have the first cgy pick for Monahan)

Salary wise it balanced and I rather have guentzel over zegras, more complete 2 way player, and playoff experience. 10 M maybe a little overpay but it's mtl. Taxes, media, you have to op a little.

16 Feb 2024 09:59:31
BOS receives: Granlund

SJS receives 2024 2nd round pick, 2025 4th round pick




Granlund has a sneaky 30 points in 40 games and Boston needs help in the middle but won't be willing to give up a haul like VAN did for Lindholm.

16 Feb 2024 19:01:29
Once again, a good target, but it puts BOS over the cap & roster limits. They'd need to send a contract back to make it work, and they may favor a depth C with a lower cap hit.

10 Feb 2024 15:19:26
Trade
SJS Ferraro 25% retained and Rutta for Liljegrin and Timmins and 1st and 3rd (NYI)

Fire Keefe if possible hire Joe Quenville ( #2 playoff wins) if not #tucker for coach

Ideal Roster format in my opinion.
Bertuzzi Matthews Robertson
Jarnkrok Domi Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
Mcmann Kampf Gregor

Reilly Rutta
Ferraro Brodie
McCabe Benoit

Scratches Giordano, Jones

Depth: Lagesson homberg

Samsonov
Woll


I think this spreads out the talent across three lines and are defensive responsible lines. ( only switch I might do is Nylander and Robertson) also think gives Tavares advantage as 3c over other competition and helps brodie as a 4.

Would probably add additional Depth/ grit
Such as Kastelic, Mccbain, Max Jones, Pezzetta, Bastian, *might be upgrade.

10 Feb 2024 18:44:43
“Joel” Quenville, and SJ declines.

11 Feb 2024 03:32:18
Chickenfoot why does SJS decline they are getting 1st for a defencemen who would normally get a 2nd and Liljegrin a young proven nhler, serviceable timmins. Rutta will not help them in the next 5 years. So 3 for him.

11 Feb 2024 14:58:41
Quantity doesn’t replace quality.

11 Feb 2024 18:10:24
If any team offers a 1st for Ferraro then San Jose jumps on that. Rutta cleared waivers 2x this season.

12 Feb 2024 12:48:53
BM4: I appreciate that you're a die-hard fan of your team, and that the explanation you requested wouldn't be of much use. You're a true believer. But simply put, this is a "homer deal". The eventual return for the player will dwarf what is offered here.

The reality is that there are more issues to fix in Toronto than there are tradable assets available. Does Treliving make trades for optics just to satisfy the fan base, knowing they're not able to contend? In my opinion it would be a waste of assets, and the leafs are already low on draft picks and prospects.

The real opportunity to address the leafs' areas of need was when they re-signed Nylander rather than trading him for what they needed. I'm not breaking any news when I say they have too many NTC contracts, and too many high salaries, without enough tradeable assets to do anything to help improve what is a flawed roster build.

Complicating the current sitation is the brain fart by Rielly, and his inevitable suspension. They're currently in a wild card, but with the Sergachev injury they had a chance to build a cushion against Tampa. They'll likely lose Rielly for 6-8 games, in what was an incredibly selfish play that will hurt his team in the stretch run.

12 Feb 2024 22:12:54
Joel Quenneville* ;)

13 Feb 2024 02:54:15
6-8 games? You’re kidding right? That wouldn’t even be a penalty in 2005.

13 Feb 2024 14:19:30
VB:

- the hearing is today, so we'll know if 6-8 games is accurate or not. (It's 5+ for an in-person hearing, so let's just say that I'm confident that I am right and you are wrong. again. )

- a cross-check to the head after a goal has ALWAYS been a penalty. at least. (Are you new to hockey? )

- head shots have always been a thing, even in 2005, such as the 6-game suspension Eric Boulton got for elbowing Paul Ranger in the head.

14 Feb 2024 20:44:07
Personally think it should’ve been 4 games. I think most people loved the whole play. But 2005 is irrelevant and Parros is impossible to guess. Gallagher should’ve gotten double what Reilly got IMO.

25 Jan 2024 16:58:12
Sharks Trade
Hertl*

Leafs Trade
NRobertson
Kampf
Reaves
Cowan (OHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

*SJ retains 50% of Hertl's remaining contract.


Leafs add huge getting Hertl, yes this doesn't improve Defence but what people expect getting a Top Defenceman probably isn't happening, so getting a Top Forward like Hertl is more probable which makes Toronto better period.

SJ eating half of Hertl's remaining contract is a big one but they will be getting 2 young players out of it plus this years 1st Rounder from The Leafs is why they do it, full rebuilding teams make trades like this.



Thoughts ?

25 Jan 2024 19:32:07
1. Why does Toronto need Hertl? Unless they can somehow trade either Tavares or Marner who both have NMC.

2. You expect SJ to retain over 4 million for 6 more years? That's organization suicide.

Love to have what your smoking.

25 Jan 2024 20:48:42
To add to what Bar Down said, this also puts SJ over the contracts and roster limits.

26 Jan 2024 12:10:30
To also add to what BarDown and Chickenfoot have already said. Who do gets the bump from the top 9? Not one of our top 9 should be playing a 4th line role. Gonna create some disgruntled players which is never what you want heading into the back half of the season. Defense should be our priority OR a genuine 4th liner who can win draws and play responsible hockey when they are on the ice.

26 Jan 2024 20:05:26
Ughhh…. Jarnkrok? He’s literally the stereotypical 4th liner. Also Knies isn’t a top 9 player on a top 3 team.

28 Jan 2024 02:18:37
Not at all. He's the perfect 3rd liner though. Great energy guy, who constantly has his feet moving. I want that guy out on a regular shift, not on the 4th for maybe twice a period, if that.

Knies is probably a top 9 player on a lot of teams, but I can agree with you on the top 3 team thing. But we won't be a top 3 team unless we sure up the defense and clean up our overall team defense so there's that.

Like I have said before, we can't outscore our problem on the back end anymore and in our own zone, especially come the playoffs. Does Hertl move the needle in the right direction? Of course he does, but do we really think SJ is going to retain half his salary for the next 6 years? Not a chance. There is just no need to add a big fish like that up front when there are other areas that need to be addressed.

16 Jan 2024 20:29:05
3 steamer

To Carolina

Hertl

To Toronto

Pesce

To San Jose

Kotkaniemi
Reaves
McCabe (then flipped for more picks)
Toronto 1st

17 Jan 2024 03:50:29
This puts the leafs over the salary cap.

17 Jan 2024 08:48:54
Ok. San Jose retains the difference on Pesce contract. 15-20% should do it.

17 Jan 2024 12:35:06
COULSON: Yep, that should do it, but the leafs add pick to pay for the retention.

17 Jan 2024 17:11:36
Reaves has zero value here. maybe suggest a prospect.

17 Jan 2024 17:15:30
Agreed another 2nd going to San Jose and it’s pretty close IMO.

17 Jan 2024 17:31:40
I am pretty sure SJ is getting a good deal for Hertl who is essentially a 2nd line center on all good teams. Getting a 1st, most likely a 2nd or 3rd with McCabe getting flipped and a young center in Kotkaniemi who still has potential on an affordable contract is a pretty good return IMO. But sure add a late pick for the 600Gs approximately they would be retaining.

17 Jan 2024 18:39:18
Would Kotkaniemi pass through waivers? Maybe. Reaves is a cap dump, the 1st and McCabe are good. I feel like it’s close and a good idea but maybe TOR sends a 3rd to CAR and CAR sends a 2nd to SJS? Lol.

06 Jan 2024 15:19:40
Sharks Trade
Granlund*

Leafs Trade
Kampf
NRobertson

*SJ retain 50% of Granlund's last 2 years of his contract.


Granlund would improve the 3rd line as like Jarnkrok can also play in the top 6 if needed.

Sharks are rebuilding and the key to this proposal is N. Robertson with a chance to play top minutes with SJ.


Thoughts?

08 Jan 2024 01:12:30
Then stick him on Mathews wing.

08 Jan 2024 10:38:52
- SJ isn’t going to retain for two years without compensation. No team would do this.

- leafs need D-men and a Goalie, not more scoring forwards.

- this doesn’t address either teams needs.

09 Jan 2024 02:25:49
So you’re acting like the leafs didn’t add Foligno and O’Rielly the last 2 deadlines. You have no clue what the leafs management will do you mumbled the same thing for years about the leafs getting a goalie and dman when every time they traded for a forward.

I didn’t even read the proposal but that statement is idiotic thinking that the leafs management are completely opposed to adding a forward. The leafs are currently 12th in the NHL for GF and until they are number 1 then their forwards could use improvement.

As per the leafs defence Samasonov posted a 863sv% this season and they still are 19th in the NHL for goals against. Wow if that speaks to how good the leafs defence is then I don’t know what does. They are winning games with Martin Jones in net. Defence has clearly done well Samsonov has literally been awful that’s the problem but now he’s gone and the leafs have looked great.

No the leafs won’t win a cup but they will add another flashy forward that will fill the stands with fans. Can almost guarantee no relevant trade for a goalie or Dman (unless it’s Tanev) will happen.

29 Dec 2023 11:48:09
CGY - Dillon Dube
SJS - Anthony Duclair

29 Dec 2023 15:41:41
To me Flames should be looking for youth, players on the verge of nhl or draft capital. Using Dube and Mangiapanne to augment Tanev, Lindholm and Hanifin trades. Enough with finishing 16th overall!

02 Jan 2024 19:49:20
I tend to agree with Nashan. I see CGY doing a tear-down instead of reloading.

06 Dec 2023 22:25:04
Montreal: Timmins, Abruzezes and 1st and for Xhekaj and Kovecvic and Pezzetta

Nashville: Liljegrin 1st Cowan for Lauzon and Carrier

San Jose: Timmins Abruzezes 1st for Sturm and Rutta.

07 Dec 2023 00:35:08
I doubt Montreal trades Xhekaj, let alone send him to their division rivals.

Probably too much from the Leafs on the other 2 trades.

07 Dec 2023 03:59:59
Lol what all of those Pieces outside of Xhajak who Montreal won’t move are waiver wire players and definitely aren’t worth a 1st. Maybe Carrier, Rutta, etc can return a 4th or late pick but they are a dime in a dozen.

07 Dec 2023 18:09:32
Toronto gets hosed in each offer.

06 Dec 2023 03:00:10
If San Jose decides to rebuild this would help them out a lot, their biggest weakness is arguably D.

EDM - Philip Broberg, Jack Campbell and 2024 1st
SJS - Mackenzie Blackwood

06 Dec 2023 18:26:07
Blackwood and his contract >>> Merzlikins, I’d take this 100%.

21 Nov 2023 09:36:36
SJS : Marc-Edouard Vlasic

EDM : Jack Campbell, 2024 2nd & Warren Foegele


Oilers take back a higher AAV but shed a year and acquire a serviceable defensemen.
Vlasic ( 7.00 @ 3 UFA ) - $21mil
Campbell ( 5.00 @ 4 UFA ) - $20mil


Oilers D-Core :

Mattias Ekholm - Evan Bouchard
Darnell Nurse - Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Brett Kulak - Cody Ceci

21 Nov 2023 18:23:35
That’s a really interesting one. I don’t see much of a plus for San Jose to make the trade. But how about retain on Vlasic, take Foegele out and add a higher pick? Also need to watch Vlasic play because isn’t he getting healthy scratched?

21 Nov 2023 22:22:29
@Ebsolutely I was gonna do the exact same thing but I changed it last minute. damn lol
It was originally Campbell + 1st + Bourgault for Vlasic (2mil retained)

22 Nov 2023 01:55:09
If Vlasic can play top 4 minutes then I think that’s a really solid trade. Maybe find a way to add Blackwood.

13 Nov 2023 22:13:03
Oilers trade Campbell, Broberg or Bourgault and Holloway

Sharks trade Duclair and Blackwood

14 Nov 2023 10:42:17
Done deal by oilers in my eyes.

25 Nov 2023 05:14:49
Oilers need defense and goal tending.

13 Nov 2023 21:12:43
Flames retool underway:

To SJ: Dillon Dube (rfa)
To Cgy: Anthony Duclair (ufa), conditional 3rd 2025 (if duclair signs with cgy, sj keeps the pick. If duclair walks as a FA, cgy gets the pick. Offsets the team control aspect.
..........
To Tor: nikita Zadorov + 2024 4th
To Cgy: 2024 1st + minten/abruzzes + klingberg (cap dump)

Or

To NJ: nikita Zadorov + 2024 4th
To Cgy: 2024 1st + Arseni Gritsyuk + Brendan Smith (cap dump)
..........
To Van: Chris tanev
To cgy: 2024 1st + hunter brzustewicz + anthony beauvillier (cap dump)

Or

To Tor: Chris Tanev
To cgy: 2024 1st + topi niemela + klingberg (cap dump)
............
To CBJ: Elias Lindholm
To Cgy: Kent Johnson + Andrew Peeke
..........
To Nash: Noah Hanifin
To Cgy: Dante Fabbro + 2024 1st (top 5 protected) + Philip Tomosino

Or

To Nj: noah hanifin + 2024 6th
To Cgy: 2024 1st + Seamus Casey + Arseni Gritsyuk + Brendan Smith (Cap dump)
............
Post deadline flames:
Huberdeau-Johnson-duclair
Zary-kadri-mangiapane
Pelletier/tomasino-backlund-coleman
Pospisil-ruzicka/beauvillier-duehr

Weegar-anderson
Smith/klingberg-Peeke
Smith/lingberg-Fabbro/Klingberg

Futures not on roster Added
3 firsts (teams dealt with may vary), potential 3rd based on the duclair deal, brzustewicz/niemela, Gritsyuk/tomasino, gritsyuk/minten or abruzzese

Move mangiapane the following year for a 1st a d prospect. If anyone throws an asset to take Coleman or Kadri you take it. Assumed hubby is unmoveable.

Yes I'm biased. Thanks for letting me know

15 Nov 2023 23:08:18
Dube stinks. I’d much rather Duclair.

Zadorov fetches a 3rd max

Tanev fetches a 2nd max

Hanifin fetches a 1st max

Lindholm to CBJ doesn’t make much sense and Idk if I would give up Johnson for him.

16 Nov 2023 01:02:12
Hockey dad need to do some research into recent trades. Ben Charot got a first prospect and a third. Tanev and Zadorov close, Hanifin more.

16 Nov 2023 03:28:07
@Hockey_Dads yeah nah, you’re way off

16 Nov 2023 04:17:32
Charot was coming off a Stanley cup final where he was the habs #2 dman ( ice time ) . Edmonston got a 3rd and Zadarov/ him are comparable. Tanev gets a 1st and so does Hanfin. But it won’t be much more then a 1st for either.

20 Nov 2023 05:02:05
Guess we’ll see. Feel free to @ me when they happen.

22 Nov 2023 20:58:04
Absolutely moronic. There is NO CHANCE Van gives up all of that for Tanev. Nobody would. Keep dreaming.

02 Nov 2023 12:39:59
MTL receives: CAR 2024 1st, Suzuki
CAR receives: Monahan 50% retained, 2024 3rd

SJS receives: CAR 2024 1st, Gallagher


Basically MTL dumps Gallaghers salary for future signings and to have room to act as a broker this year and gets Suzukis brother

SJS gets a third 2024 1st round pick for rebuilding for taking that salary

CAR gets center depth (face offs and depth scoring) at a super cheap one year deal since they are win now.

02 Nov 2023 18:17:53
MTL declines, and I’m guessing Dundon declines trading the 1st for short-term help. CAR just doesn’t do that kind of trade very often.

03 Nov 2023 10:21:47
Carolina says no. I think they want to keep Suzuki and Monahan Is not a guy that fetches a 1st.

Remember last deadline he cost a first to dump, so him at 50% is prolly a 4th or 5th.

03 Nov 2023 14:28:49
I'd like to find a way to keep Monahan.

04 Nov 2023 01:13:42
Monahan might be the first player that was traded to unload with a first, then be traded for a 1st. If he keeps healthy and continues his pace he'll get a 1st at the deadline for sure.

12 Oct 2023 23:55:18
To San Jose Sharks :
LD - Nikita Zadorov ( 3.75 @ 1 UFA )

To Calgary Flames :
RW - Anthony Duclair ( 3.00 @ 1 UFA )

13 Oct 2023 13:16:51
- This is a uniquely balanced offer in that their salaries are similar, they’re both pending UFA, and they’re each 28 years old.

- While SJ is more likely looking for picks or prospects, I’d say they do this trade all day long since big Z will be a very tempting trade target at the deadline, if not before, when injuries pop up around the league.

- Duclair’s speed and finish would also look really good in CGY.

- this is the most realistic and balanced trade I’ve seen here in some time, and that’s not easy in a capped-out league. ?.

14 Oct 2023 01:58:44
Id say zadorovs next contract will be more and well deserved. Duclair has been injured half his career and talented but its hard to see calgary trading zadorov for a 5th and a borderline nhler which is what duclair got.

25 Jul 2023 16:41:29
Karlsson and burns don't like each other. Maybe why its taking a bit. Sj: Karlsson (2m retained) Carolina: burns, pesce, 1st Florida: Reinhart ,Evan Nause,1st So Sj would receive 1st,1st, nause. Carolina get Karlsson and Reinhart. Florida gets burns and pesce. A lot of ntc to work around but wonder if Carolina would trade burns to make Karlsson happy.

07 Aug 2023 02:53:15
Pens beat us to it.

23 Jul 2023 07:35:10
Pittsburgh: Owen pickering, 1st, 2nd, petry , grandlund. Sj: Karlsson(1mil retained) 2nd,3rd Chicago: retains 1.5m of Karlsson for sj 2nd. Just thinking why Pittsburgh is even a rumor but this is my best shot. They have no cap room so only kind of thing I can think of. 9m Karlsson for 11.25 petry and grandlund get Pittsburgh under the cap. And 2 really good pieces. Glad to hear other theories.

23 Jul 2023 13:37:53
I’m with you Shoots…why the heck is PIT even in this competition for Karlsson? This is pretty creative man?.

One thing to consider is that Petry doesn’t want to be too far from his family in DET, so maybe DET becomes part of the exchange of assets in getting Petry off the pens cap situation?

It will be interesting to see what happens, and if history is any guide, Scooby will lose whatever trade he comes up with, and will squander future assets that will harm his team for many years.

23 Jul 2023 22:01:02
I think San Jose needs to retain more than 1M to get any kind of value for him. And Chicago would need more to take on 1.5M for 4 years I think.

24 Jul 2023 11:49:39
this is a classic example of why you don't pay tons of money for long terms. Karlsson very good player. but if I am running a team, do I really want to handcuff my finances paying him $11m for 4 more years and give up young players and draft picks?

24 Jul 2023 19:25:15
Nearly everyone on Pittsburgh has trade protection but not petry so hard to know what they are up to.

24 Jul 2023 21:31:33
Well said Balsam. Additionally, Karlsson has a bad wheel, and after his great season this year there’s no question he’ll be in decline. PIT just needs to rebuild and get it started.

24 Jul 2023 23:32:06
I'm definitely in agreement that Pittsburgh needs to start planning what happens after their 3 are done. Shouldn't be going after anyone who is getting up there in age if it's going to cost the few prospects they have.

I don't know if Karlsson is necessarily on the decline though. I think most people, including myself, wrote him off a few seasons ago. But then he went out and had the year that he did last year. Could he be on the decline, absolutely. But he could also prove many of us wrong and go out there and have another great year.

17 Jul 2023 12:40:49
This is from a user on Twitter who supposedly has a good source with the Flames, he accurately predicted a lot of things within the same timeframe but obviously take it with a grain of salt. He says :

San Jose and Calgary discussed a possible trade involving Lindholm. Sharks offered Logan Couture and William Eklund for Elias Lindholm and Daniel Vladar. San Jose wanted to flip Elias Lindholm for futures and shed Couture’s contract (signed till he’s 38 @ 8mil) but the Flames refused.

Nikita Zadorov wants to re-sign in Calgary for as long as possible within the ballpark of 4.00AAV. He’s been helping Yegor Sharangovich get familiar with the city.
Insiders have been saying that the Flames have been getting lowballed hard because Conroy is a rookie GM. What do y’all think about these?

That’s such a garbage offer imo.

17 Jul 2023 13:20:05
You'd have to think Calgary can do better than that. Even the standard TDL rental price of a 1st and a prospect is much better and I can't see any reason Calgary can't get that, so I think they'll do alright there.

I'm not a huge Zadorov fan, so I'd avoid that contract, but it probably isn't too bad unless they do go 8 years.

17 Jul 2023 18:40:05
Zandorov=Gudas and Gudas got 4 so that’s fair. He’s also younger.

17 Jul 2023 19:06:15
Eklund is a high end prospect and Couture had more points than Lindholm and Huberdeau last season. If Couture was a couple years younger I’d say it would be solid but he doesn’t really fit Calgary's timeline.

18 Jul 2023 18:07:01
Agree with Ebs, Couture, at 34, is the kind of player that a contender would add at the deadline thinking he could push them over the top, not a long term add which Cgy would need in exchange for someone like Lindholm.

4m/ yr is high but is market value for Zadorov.

23 Jul 2023 06:49:04
couture would have to agree which dont really see why he would. Calgary maybe declined before sj even discussing with couture. Like stl and krug. (stl) hey, krug, you've been traded to Philly. (krug) nope.

13 Jul 2023 14:24:09
Sharks Trade
EKarlsson*

Leafs Trade
Brodie
Liljegren
NRobertson
1st Round Pick 2024
2nd Round Pick 2025

*SJ retains 40% of EKarlsson's remaining contract (4.5 million a year)


I truly believe Pittsburgh and Carolina are the front runners in this, but this is comparable to what those teams are offering including the 40% retention.


Thoughts ?

13 Jul 2023 15:17:41
There's a reason those offers have also been declined. Karlsson is going to fetch a tonne. He just had a 100P campaign and won himself the Norris. His value is high right now and SJ doesn't have to settle for a deal. Whoever gets him is going to be giving up the farm for him.

14 Jul 2023 03:38:38
Liljegren and the picks would be exactly what they would want in a package but Robertson and Brodie would hold absolutely zero value to them. They’d get a better offer from another team.

14 Jul 2023 14:35:57
Lets reverse it and see if the value is the same.

Maples Leafs trade:
Auston Matthews*

Sharks trade:
Oskar Lindblom
Filip Zadina
Givani Smith
Radim Simek
Two 2024 2nd round picks (SJ and NJ)

*Toronto retains 40% of Matthews contract.

12 Jul 2023 10:53:12
I'm bored so just pretend. Chi: Seth Jones(28, 9.5, 7 years), 1 mil retained sj: Eric Karlsson(33, 11.5 , 4 years. So Jones at 8.5 for 7 and Karlsson at 11.5 for 4 years, but actually
12.5 for 4 chicago still pays for 3 year 1 mil, Value wise, I know both teams want picks but a different avenue for both.

12 Jul 2023 13:04:19
Interesting concept Shoots?.

 
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