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14 Oct 2018 22:08:47
Conor Timmins

William Nylander

TOR gets a young, tall, right-handed defenseman who's reliable in his own zone and extremely skilled handling the puck and can chip in with offense. Timmins is currently injured however I firmly believe that once he recovers, he is ready to be an impact NHL defenseman.

COL on the other hand really bolsters their depth on RW behind Rantanen and adds a major scoring threat 5 on 5 as well as on the power play with the addition of Nylander. They also have a good amount of cap space to sign him for this year and the future, especially with expensive contracts like Colin Wilson's coming off the books at the end of this season.

Also, COL has Makar in the system already and so, losing Timmins in such a trade will not hurt them as much as it will benefit them in the short and long run.

Oh and Timmins used to play for the Sault St. Marie Greyhounds so the Dubas connection is also there.



1.) 15 Oct 2018 00:06:50
I posted this a couple weeks ago, I personally would do it based on needs of both teams, but I do think that Colorado should add a bit based on the fact that nylander is currently a proven top 6 forward and will get better and Timmins hasn’t proven anything at the nhl level. I like it tho, pull the trigger!

2.) 15 Oct 2018 00:40:55
No from leafs.

3.) 15 Oct 2018 04:02:54
Maybe I’m greedy, but I would try and get Avs to throw in a pick as well.

Timmins is a very highly rated prospect, and depending on the analyst, is even more highly rated than Makar. A real steal for Avs where they drafted him, he would look good beside Rielly, and along with Liljegren, would cement Leafs RHD for years. Some on this site may say Nylander holds more value, but don’t you listen to them. Timmins holds more value to us because he fills a glaring need, and would alleviate cap situation for a few more years.



07 Aug 2018 20:18:00
So I posted a Leafs-Canes trade for Pesce a few days ago but I thought up a more revised version of the potential deal.

Brett Pesce

Jake Gardiner
Kasperi Kapanen
Garrett Sparks
2019 1st Round Pick

TOR gets a big, young, right-handed, defense-oriented D-man who's on a reasonable deal for many years.

CAR really shores up their offense (an area of weakness for them) with Gardiner (50+ point D-man), they add a young, high-skill forward in Kapanen, they get a top goaltending prospect in Sparks (another area in which they aren't necessarily strong) and a 1st round pick to boot.



1.) 07 Aug 2018 20:54:42
Lol @ Sparks= “ top goaltending prospect “.

2.) 07 Aug 2018 22:12:23
Its Gardiner's first season with over 50 pts in his 7 year nhl career. You can't just throw-in (50 point d-man) if he just reached that once.

3.) 08 Aug 2018 00:16:27
@vb You're right, he's not a "top prospect" but on a team like Carolina, he'd easily become the backup to Darling and potentially even become the starter over time if given the starts.

@Crazy You're also correct however, the point I was trying to make with that was that Gardiner is great offensively, he ranks 30th among defensemen in terms of points over the past 5 seasons, a lot of which were with the Leafs at the dead bottom (or close to it) of the standings. He's only had less than 30 points in 1 FULL season of his career and so, the 52 points he had the last season really is the cherry on top in terms to his offensive game and on a team that doesn't have very many major offensive threats like Carolina, that goes a long way.

4.) 08 Aug 2018 02:26:39
Pesce best season is 20 points and was only a plus in 3 seasons once he's not worth a first let alone adding all the players. Its more than leaf fans who are delerious on here.

5.) 08 Aug 2018 06:20:07
I guess you obviously never heard of Alex Nedejkovic

@Just a leafs fan

He’s their future in net.

6.) 09 Aug 2018 17:46:03
Its easy to hit disagree on my comment but at least back it up.

7.) 09 Aug 2018 19:55:51
@ carnyslop

I agree he's not worth all those players but I would say he's worth more then just a mid-late 1st as he is used against other teams top lines and shuts them down well and is also young with a good contract I see something around TOR first and Kapanen would be a good deal for both teams.



03 Aug 2018 23:06:19
Okay so with the Skinner trade happening, it becomes even more clear that Carolina needs forwards over anything as their defense is already stacked with talent. The Leafs can help them with this predicament.

Brett Pesce

Kasperi Kapanen
Andreas Johnsson
Connor Carrick
2019 1st Round Pick

Pesce is signed to a great deal for many years to come and so he will not pose a problem to the Leafs cap wise. He is also young, big and right-handed so he can fit perfectly into our D-core. He will definitely help bolster our game in the D-zone allowing our other more offense-oriented D-men to be more free and get the puck up to our forwards.

CAR gets 2 excellent young NHL-level forward prospects, a RHD to fill the slot left by Pesce and a 1st round pick as a big bonus in case they don't make the playoffs this year.



1.) 04 Aug 2018 01:25:09
That could probably get Trouba!

2.) 04 Aug 2018 01:43:51
One or two of those pieces could be a throw in to a Trouba deal, but none would be considered as the main piece.

3.) 04 Aug 2018 03:47:26
I’ll take Pesce over Trouba all day and no from Carolina.

4.) 04 Aug 2018 13:39:11
I'm seeing 2 1st round pick and 2 2nd round picks, 3 of which will be under control for the foreseeable future. Toronto gets the defense they are looking for, Carolina gets their cheap offense they have been looking for. I think it would be accepted by both teams and fit them perfectly.

5.) 04 Aug 2018 14:30:12
Slavin and Pesce is Carolina’s top line and they’re very effective so I doubt they’d break it up. They’d probably ask for Nylander and then the leafs would decline.

6.) 05 Aug 2018 18:25:35
There’s zero chance that gets you Trouba. Jets have no need for extra “bubble” prospects. You’d need to start with Liljegren, a 1st Round Pick and still add from there.

7.) 06 Aug 2018 18:57:42
I think Canes are building D-core around Slavin, Pesce and Hamilton.

Don't see them moving any of them. More likely to move Faulk.

I think it would take a more significant piece to build a package around to get Pesce and even then Canes may be unwilling to let him go.



21 Jul 2018 22:31:45
Jacob Trouba

Nazem Kadri
Andrew Nielsen
2018 1st Round Pick

WPG really shores up their center depth as well as picks up a few prospects and TOR finally gets that solid top 4 right handed D-man they're after. Tavares signing makes this a viable option for the Leafs.



1.) 21 Jul 2018 22:58:49
I’d say no from Toronto. Never bad to have depth at center and I don’t think Trouba is worth all that. Also leafs won’t be able to support his demands of 7 mil/ year. Think Toronto should go for somebody else.

2.) 21 Jul 2018 23:19:56
Kadri=Nylander=Trouba ( on good contract)

3.) 21 Jul 2018 23:43:53
Kadri is a good player, I personally don't see him as a fit on our second line. Laine and Ehlers need a slick, playmaking center like Stastny. Kadri strikes me as more of a shooter.

4.) 22 Jul 2018 02:55:49
memarcusjoe the Jets already have the perfect fit between Laine and Ehlers, its Jack Roslovic. Now its up to Maurice not to foolishly start the season with Little between Ehlers and Laine and have Roslovic on the 3rd line as a winger, or as the 4th line center.

5.) 22 Jul 2018 05:07:34
Lol Mcjesus, do you not know how arbitration works? You're posting on every Trouba trade "no he's asking for 7Mil".

6.) 22 Jul 2018 06:06:27
Keep Kadri and his 30+ goals for $4.5 mill all day long. Jets need a guy like Paul statsny. A guy like Paul statsny just needed Vegas tho lol.

7.) 22 Jul 2018 06:07:45
@islandjet, I agree, I'd like to see Roslovic get a shot there. I just not sure Maurice will put 3 young guys on a line together.

8.) 22 Jul 2018 16:34:18
Uglyguybabes this is the first post iv said that lol.

9.) 23 Jul 2018 06:11:37
Changing his name from hotguybabes to uglyguybabes. nice.

10.) 23 Jul 2018 17:40:50
Easy e. couple of things

Pacioretty last 5 yrs= 158 goals
Simmonds last 5 yrs= 144 goals

How was simmonds in dressing room when you played for the flyers? Oh wait. you didnt.

11.) 23 Jul 2018 18:06:11
Good call balsam. But what do you think about Kadri/ Nielsen for Trouba?!?



04 Dec 2017 09:12:59
So San Jose is currently in a playoff spot and Anaheim is a few points out (it's way too early right now, I know but still it's a good determining factor). I was looking at their stats and both teams are in the bottom 5 in terms of 'goals for per game' and they seem to be lacking in the LW/RW department. At the same time, both teams are good defensively and have great depth there. That being said:

Jeremy Roy

James van Riemsdyk (sign and trade)
Josh Leivo


Jacob Larsson

James van Riemsdyk (sign and trade)
Josh Leivo



1.) 04 Dec 2017 18:16:55
I don't think Anaheim does this after the Henrique trade. Too much salary to take on as well as they are pretty high on Larsson. When healthy, the Ducks are pretty deep with forward depth now.

2.) 05 Dec 2017 03:04:11
Agree ducks wouldn’t do it for same reasons perry says above, and I wouldn’t do it for Roy. Would want someone better.




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05 Mar 2017 20:35:23
The consensus amongst most Leafs fans is that a young right-handed defenseman is essentially needed to make the team better.

I think an offseason trade of some sort to a western conference team can be in the cards that could be of help to both teams and I think that the main piece in any trade from the Leafs perspective would be JVR due to his low cap and his high offensive output.

Some teams I think the Leafs could target for such a trade are Anaheim for Brandon Montour, St. Louis for Jordan Schmaltz and San Jose for Dylan DeMelo or Jeremy Roy. I do think that the St. Louis trade would be the least likely of the 3 because they are already fairly deep on the LW however, San Jose could use a successor for Marleau moving forward and Anaheim desperately needs an offensive catalyst for Getzlaf and Perry.

Being a trade between the conferences, JVR would not be much of a plague to the Leafs as compared to if he were traded within the conference.

What trade of this sort would you make if you were the Leafs? Personally, I think Anaheim would be the best fit but San Jose is a good option as well and St. Louis, if they bite, also has solid trade potential.


1.) 06 Mar 2017 18:43:52
If I were the leafs I'd just try to resign him if you can get fair value (1st and top 4 Dman. )

2.) 06 Mar 2017 21:19:01
A 1st annnnd top 4 Dman? JVR gets a top 4 Dman back (depending who it is maybe a slight add aswell), he'd et a 1st and good prospect but would never get a 1st and top 4 Dman imo. Not with no term and UFA coming up next year.

3.) 07 Mar 2017 17:32:38
blues just traded Kevin shattenkirk. Why on earth would they trade jordan schmaltz their highly toted prospect and former 1st round pick on an ELC contract for a mid rung left winger they don't need making about 3.5 million more and leaving the blues light on the right side?

Please explain to me why. i'm all ears.



13 Jan 2017 20:47:32
Two trades for Colorado at the deadline:

Trade 1:

Erik Johnson

James Van Riemsdyk
Roman Polak

Trade 2:

Gabriel Landeskog

Thomas Chabot
2017 1st Round Pick


With trade 1, Toronto gets that big right-handed d-man that can play big minutes with Rielly and can really improve their defensive depth and Colorado gets a new face in the locker room that fills the void left by Landeskog really well. Roman Polak acts as the fill-in player who fills Johnson's spot for the remainder of the season. This will be similar to the Andersen trade in that Johnson's contract with the Leafs will be determined before the trade happens (this also means that Johnson won't be lost at the expansion draft) .

With trade 2, Ottawa gets a forward that they can use to really bolster their offensive core for their playoff push and who fits in due to his young age. Colorado gets a top defensive prospect as well as a 1st round pick all that can be used to build towards the future.



1.) 14 Jan 2017 00:33:17
Colorado can keep Erik Johnson maybe Barrie



24 May 2015 02:49:03
Realistically, I don't think the Leafs will (nor should they) make any trades at the draft or in the offseason unless they are getting good value for their veteran players. With Babcock as the coach, I firstly think that he is going to take a season to evaluate the roster and see who he likes and who follows his systems and ways properly and who doesn't. Also, for players like Kessel, if he can perform well under Babcock and get to at least his standard 35 goals 80 points type of season, his value can be replenished from last season and even if we don't make the playoffs next season, he can be traded for a lot more. I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade them but as Shanny keeps emphasizing, we really should be patient with all of our decisions.

What do you think about this?


1.) 24 May 2015 08:18:28
So when there is already very capable people involved to make some decisions on how to rebuild, you want to not do anyhting for a year and let the new guy take a look and help make decisions in a year? And in the meantime slow the rebuild process down a valuable year. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Its not like Babcock lived under a rock the last few seasons. He does have a good handle on things. Hence why he chose to sign there.

2.) 24 May 2015 20:32:34

You see, that right there is impatience. Everyone in the Leafs organization is preaching patience for now and for the future yet the fans keep pressuring them to make changes and make them fast. Babcock has 8 damn years on his contract, he needs at least one season to see what he's got to work with, just like Shanny needed last season. The way you make it sound, the rebuild will take 2 years and then we'll win the cup. Great banter man. Rebuilds can take 5+ years to happen and if you expect all of the massive changes to happen in the 1st official year of the rebuild, you're dreaming.

3.) 24 May 2015 22:29:43
Your right we need to be patient but what your talking about is icing a team that isn't good enough to make the playoffs and isn't bad enough to tank are you serious bud be real here the best thing for the leafs to do is to trade phaneuf and Kessel to be traded. They are both poison on this leafs team. Trade them now and let Babcock work with lupul and bozak to see if they are apart of the future if not then trade them. But saying we should keep them is ridiculous! They clearly aren't apart of the future so why keep them when teams are going to be paying a premium for top 4 dmen and elite goal scorers

4.) 25 May 2015 01:47:29

I agree with what you said but I think even more patience can be applied, trades such as Phaneuf and Kessel I would make at the trade deadline if we know for sure we aren't even close to making the playoffs (I don't expect it anyway but with Babcock, you never know). As I mentioned before, if you trade them now, you will almost just be selling them; you won't get as much trade value for them as you would ideally want. That's why I say give those players at least until the trade deadline to prove their worth to the team and Babcock and if they start playing good again, the decision can be made if they are to be kept or traded and if they are traded, you would be getting far more value for them than you would be if you trade them right now. That was the point of this post. Ultimately, taking it slow and making calculated is key.

So to summarize, keep them till the deadline, if we are in a playoff spot (1% chance of happening), keep them and if we get eliminated, trade them in the next offseason. If we aren't close to making the playoffs by the deadline, trade them then. Good seasons can replenish and improve their trade values.

5.) 25 May 2015 03:07:34
Hahahahahahahaha! In no way shape or form did I even hint to them winning the cup in 2 years. I don't even think they will win a cup in 10 years! Get a clue. i'm saying that you have true hockey knowledge in true professionals, they don't need a year to evaluate what's going on, they understand fully what's going on. I would love you guys to not do a thing and waste a valuble year of the rebuild. That would be hilarious and taking two steps back.

6.) 25 May 2015 09:01:26
Jesus. Do you even know what you're talking about? Did you pay attention at all at this last trade deadline? You know why they weren't traded then, right? Because they were waiting until the off season so teams could take a better look at their lineup and have more cap space to make things work. You don't make many hockey trades in mid season (deadline), they usually happen in the off season. Teams didn't have much cap room to make a Kessel or Phagnuff trade happen at deadline, now seasons over, certain contracts are off the books, cap has gone up, now is when teams have more ability to make big moves (for big money players).



07 May 2015 02:17:08
So apparently the Red Wings aren't impressed at all at the development of Mantha this far. By saying that have they lowered his trade value? I think it's possible that either this season or by the end of next season, he may end up on their trading block if he doesn't perform at the level he's expected to. Perhaps then the Dion Phaneuf to Detroit for Mantha (obviously with more pieces) trade can happen. What do you guys think about this?





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08 Aug 2018 00:16:27
@vb You're right, he's not a "top prospect" but on a team like Carolina, he'd easily become the backup to Darling and potentially even become the starter over time if given the starts.

@Crazy You're also correct however, the point I was trying to make with that was that Gardiner is great offensively, he ranks 30th among defensemen in terms of points over the past 5 seasons, a lot of which were with the Leafs at the dead bottom (or close to it) of the standings. He's only had less than 30 points in 1 FULL season of his career and so, the 52 points he had the last season really is the cherry on top in terms to his offensive game and on a team that doesn't have very many major offensive threats like Carolina, that goes a long way.




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05 Aug 2018 21:05:22
Anaheim laughs at this and never bothers dealing with us again LOL.




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24 Jul 2018 05:18:35
I actually like this deal for both teams, Lehtera can be a 4th line center or AHLer for TOR and we get another RHD in our pool (something we can definitely use) and PHI gets rid of the cap while adding some potential goal scoring in Leivo (who TOR can replace from within the system) .




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24 Jul 2018 05:12:44
Faulk just isn't the type of D-man we need. We can get more offensive D-men like him straight from the Marlies and keep Nylander in the process. We need a D-man that's good in both zones but particularly, in our own zone.




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24 Jul 2018 05:10:36
I can't see OTT making that deal for Karlsson, its simply not enough value coming back. If I'm OTT I start the negotiations with Draisaitl ++ coming back.





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