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05 Aug 2025 15:59:29
3 Way trade
Stl- kyrou-2nd pick 2026
Anh- mctavish
Then stl flip mctavish
Mtl- mattheson- engstrom-roy- 1st pick top 5 protected
06 Aug 2025 14:58:09
Oof. That's a punch in the gut for St. Louis.
06 Aug 2025 16:38:58
too much from Montreal. has McTavish proved himself enough to warrant 3 players and a 1rst round pick? not at all.
30 Jun 2025 13:12:57
Kyrou
Leddy (cap dump)
Vs
Matheson
Dach
Struble
2nd Pick
Thoughts ?
STL clear cap space, get a good defenseman ans take a shot at Dach. Habs get the Center they are looking for.
01 Jul 2025 03:16:40
Isn't Kyrou a winger???
01 Jul 2025 13:55:56
Kyrou is a RW.
Happy ?? Day??.
01 Jul 2025 14:07:21
Winger and center.
01 Jul 2025 17:33:20
Thats completely horrible. Blues need righthanded younger dman. Kyrou is not a center and MTL unless wanting to trade reinbacher have nothing blues want. Also when day one comes blues have 7 mil in cap. lol 70 point fast winger for trash lol.
02 Jul 2025 15:18:24
How you feeling after that trade Bolduc trade @Colt55?
07 Jul 2025 14:57:52
I really liked bolduc but getting a young top 4 RHD to replace an aging faulk was a need. We have Kyrou, Buch, Holloway, Snuggerud, Neighbors, Dvorsky and now Carbenou who just dazzeled in camp on the wings. Bolduc was traded from a strength for a weakness. PM compares Malli to a you bouchard. so tell me if that happens is it worth it.
09 Jul 2025 18:20:34
Meh I'm not a big Bouchard guy. I personally see Mailloux looking like the Florida Panthers version of Seth Jones if he hits his peak. Tbh that wouldn't be too bad for the Blues. Bolduc is coming off a pretty successful back half of the season so immediate winners I see being the Habs. If everyone develops and progresses as they should it will probably be a fairly even across the board trade.
20 Jun 2025 15:22:48
I think Dallas & St. Louis have real interest in Ekblad, is if so, they need room.
P. Broberg & T. Krug (LTIR) for B. McMann & prospect.
Blues free up $3.5 & dump $6.5 (out of house payment) while landing a very useful & cheap 20+goal player.
Leafs land a D-stud for under $5 and can move Reilly to Minny or Vancouver where he will excel.
21 Jun 2025 12:30:31
didnt st louis just offer sheet broberg from edmonton, why would they trade him away. and no thanks on krug.
22 Jun 2025 21:32:24
Broberg will be asking for $6 mil next year, Blues have Neighbors, Holloway, Broberg & Fowler all looking & deserving raises next year. Blues will have $5 mil in cap room.
Krug will get traded to a cap floor team (or a super rich team like Rangers or Leafs) . Krug is never playing again.
Blues need to make trades to find room for Ekblad or at very least, to try & keep 2 or 3 out of their 4 expiring contracts.
28 Feb 2025 18:44:34
Oilers trades ....
#1
Oilers; Peterka, Tuch, Byram, Jokiharju
Sabres; Bouchard, Arvidsson, Janmark, Klingberg, 2026 1st, 2025 3rd (STL)
#2
Oilers; Daccord
Kraken; 2026 3rd (STL), B Prospect
#3
Oilers; 2025 3rd
Red Wings; J. Skinner
28 Feb 2025 20:53:55
U r as bad as pinball.
02 Mar 2025 02:28:32
That first trade is one of the craziest posts I've seen on this site. Edmonton is adding?
24 Nov 2024 15:36:18
Nashville Trades
O'Reilly
McCarron
Toronto Trades
Kampf
Jarnkrok
Holmberg
NRobertson
1st Round Pick 2026
Very similar to The O'Reilly trade The Leafs did with The Blues a few years back, no salary retaining in this proposal just a good old fashion trade.
Thoughts ?
24 Nov 2024 23:16:40
Even if orally is available for trade he has upped his value since that trade. Right now he seems to be playing as a high end 2c.
25 Nov 2024 01:24:35
Nashville declines. If they move O’Reilly they’ll do much better than this. They’ll get a nice package of a high-end prospect for their rebuild, a 1st and a 2nd.
This trade, predictably, is generous to the leafs and ignores what NSH would need in return to make such a trade work.
25 Nov 2024 12:32:19
Chickenfoot
Of course you dissected as O'Reilly being more than he is and The Leaf Players being less than their value.
Am I surprised by your response?
Absolutely not as this is your thing no matter what I post.
Cheers.
25 Nov 2024 16:34:24
@Chckenfoot so you’re telling me Malioux, protected 1st and 2nd would be a fair trade for O’Rielly in a vacuum?
If anyone offers them a “High end prospect”, 1st and 2nd then the Preds GM would drive him to the airport personally.
26 Nov 2024 03:51:42
Average pinball trade:
Everything the Leafs have on the trade block in exchange for a forward.
26 Nov 2024 10:21:55
- Pinball, why post one-sided, homer trades like this if you’re just going to whine? Embarrassing.
- People don’t have a bias against your team. Learn the lesson here: your trades are always inordinately heavily weighted towards your team, with little or no thought give as to what another team might need.
- IF O’Reilly were to move; as a Conn Smythe-winning center he’d be immensely valuable for a cup run if slotted correctly in a 2C situation. He’d bring a healthy return.
- a 1st is a given, but you didn’t include compensation for the cap dump that Kampf currently is.
- Robertson’s trade value has been covered. He’s not a trade “asset”. He’s an insignificant throw-in who will be lucky to get an NHL contract next year. (Is this news to anyone else? )
- Holmberg is 25 with just over a hundred NHL games. He is what he is, but he’s not a coveted trade asset.
Quantity doesn’t equal quality, and as Tom Hanks famously said, “there’s no crying in baseball! ” (Or a hockey trade forum. )
26 Nov 2024 15:57:21
Chickenfoot
As usual you're ? wrong.
Cheers.
26 Nov 2024 19:00:27
Justin Williams won a conn Smyth that doesn’t mean he’s worth all of that. O’Rielly is closer to Williams age than Bedard. O’Rielly we’ll be retired in 3 years he is nothing at this point besides a mediocre 3C who’s elite in the Dot. He has value but if Nashville is offered a 1st from any team they should take that and play their younger guys imo.
27 Nov 2024 04:30:43
VBB…. or whatever name you’re going by tonight…are you okay?
- Williams is 43, and in the Hall of Fame. O’Reilly is still playing. They’re 10 years apart…what are you talking about? Do you think the market values are the same in this season as a decade ago? ?
- not sure how Bedard got into this conversation…. or Williams for that matter. Or why you asked what I’m saying about a “Mailloux trade”, which I’ve never mentioned on this site. Not sure what your deal is, maybe it’s time to start a few more burner accounts on here? ?.
28 Nov 2024 03:43:55
If O’Reilly turns it around and has a decent season he might get a 1st but good chance it’s only a 2nd IMO.
16 Nov 2024 21:41:10
weird thought of the day
StL: binnington
ana: Gibson
seems like one of those instance where 2 wrongs make a right. salary are similar for similar length.
18 Nov 2024 18:08:36
Maybe the beautiful California weather will help Binny lose a little of his anger. it certainly couldn't hurt. : )
19 Nov 2024 21:15:46
Bikini clad women can definitely make anyone's day better.
20 Nov 2024 02:38:08
Cali has plenty of lovely ladies. Very cool spot all around. For weather and vibe alone, I’d choose ANA if I was a free agent pro.
20 Nov 2024 23:09:42
Yeah hell no. The team is issue not binningto. We jave leddy broberg thomas hurt and a very young team. So lol no.
24 Aug 2024 00:21:28
I can't believe MTL traded for Laine.
MTL
Harris
CLB
Laine
2026-2RD.
Thoughts on this trade.
I don't know if it's a good one for the Habs. Unless Laine can return to a 40 goal scorer.
Maybe St. Louis can work his magic on him.
Another note
For Winnipeg Jets.
Thoughts on WPG signing Klingberg to a PTO.
If healthy, he can help with the powerplay. Tall Right side defenceman. Done side is his defensive play and health.
Thoughts.
24 Aug 2024 04:21:29
Muzza, im really excited about adding Laine. I think this guy is a top 5 sniper in the league. Obviously he has had some personal issues, however, the fact that he actually went to deal with these issues shows me he is maturing. I have a lot of faith in Hughes and Gorton and they did a lot of research to see if this guy is ok.
Habs haven't had a really exciting goal scorer since Richer in the 80's! . Maybe it won't pan out, who knows. But as a fan who hasn't seen alot of offensive talent, im excited.
24 Aug 2024 14:03:17
Hey Sodahabs24
If Laine can return as player he was when healthy then I agree this is great for the Habs. Finally have a sniper. And they play him as such. But my concern is at a salary of 8m and his health, mental health at question. I know he had help with his mental health.
But I know there will always be a trigger. But there is hope. Hopefully this is exactly what he needs a new start on a team that believes in him
I agree with he might be or will be the best goal scorer Habs had in decades.
I’m also a Habs fan. So this could skyrocket their rebuild .
24 Aug 2024 17:10:46
There is deffenitley some risk with adding a player like Laine, but the reward is huge. So, let's just see what will come. It's only 2 years if it doesn't work, so the management didn't screw up the future if this experiment fails.
As a Habs fan since 79, I can't remember being so excited for a season to start. I'm not saying they are gonna contend, but they should battle for a playoff spot, playing meaningful games at end of season. It will just be fun to watch the kids all take one more step at becoming a really good team.
24 Aug 2024 18:57:53
I’m actually looking forward for this season as well.
If Liane stays healthy and Dach can stay healthy. I agree I think this team can finally make to the playoffs or at least come close and play, like playoff hockey trying to get into the playoffs. This would be great experience for the younger players. Give them a taste.
Goaltending is still a minor question. But think they’re good enough to help get the Habs to the playoffs. Beyond that. Who knows. Playoffs is a whole new season. Anything can happen.
I’m also looking forward to see the hab’s projected lines for this season.
24 Aug 2024 20:24:40
Yes goaltending is still a concern. I'm not sure who they will overtake to make the playoffs, as all the teams will be pretty strong still and others also are up an coming. But to watch the growth and possibly a push to make the playoffs, will be good. Lots has to obviously go right, like you said health will be key.
25 Aug 2024 10:54:30
MTL can’t lose on this trade. They have the cap space, and even if Laine doesn’t turn out to be a piece, they turned a glut on D into an open slot for another kid like Hutton.
If nothing else, Harris was a 3rd that they turned into 2nd.
Whether Laine becomes part of the teams future, or a rehabilitated trade chip like Monahan, the Habs have done a shrewd trade. Laine is likely on his last NHL chance too, so he has every motivation to be the best he can me.
31 Jul 2024 03:14:09
Columbus Trades
Laine*
Jenner*
Toronto Trades
Kampf
Jarnkrok
Holmberg
Niemela (AHL)
Akhtyamov (KHL)(AHL)
1st Round Pick 2026
*Jackets retain 50% of Laine and Jenner's remaining contract.
Kampf and Jarnkrok would also have to waive their NTC to complete the transaction.
Columbus makes the biggest trade in their history with this proposal getting mostly a young forward in Holmberg, 2 good prospects plus a 1st Rounder, Kampf and Jarnkrok have to be part of the package for Cap reasons.
Treliving said he wants to change things up, he went hard in free agency getting Defensive and a Goaltender but has yet to address the forwards, this proposal does that in flying colors.
Thoughts ?
31 Jul 2024 14:15:11
I dont see anything that makes Columbus want to do this. Also, Laine is not what the Leafs need.
31 Jul 2024 14:35:57
No from CBJ. I don't see why they would do this.
31 Jul 2024 15:04:47
Ain't a chance in hell Columbus is retaining 50% on both of them and only get that back. They'd get better offers from most teams. I'd be all for going after Jenner though. He'd a great 3C for us.
Unrelated to the trade but the biggest trade for them could be acquiring Panarin or dealing Nash. This would be the worst trade in the teams history if they made it.
31 Jul 2024 16:49:23
Wow…all this AND they retain 50%? While paying for the remainder of Kampf’s deal?
The term “homer deal” doesn’t do this justice. Embarrassing is closer, but still doesn’t properly rate what is yet another one-sided deal for your team while ignoring what the other team needs.
CLB hangs up and laughs.
31 Jul 2024 22:35:26
I guess Toronto is out of draft picks to retain salary so maybe over paid 4th liners and some low prospects get the job done?
31 Jul 2024 23:03:25
Add in 2 1sts, and better prospects for retaining 7 million dollars next 2 year, plus taking a couple bad contracts. Torontos got no 1st for 5 years.
31 Jul 2024 23:09:13
Oh ya, chicago trading panarin for saad back was the best trade Columbus have done. This might be the worst unless Columbus is eyeing a guy in the 20-30 range of the 2026 draft.
01 Aug 2024 22:14:27
Columbus makes the biggest trade in their history? In their history pinball?
I know you've only been a part time Blue Jackets fan for 3 days but I have to believe you know the team has been in the NHL for almost 25 years.
Their biggest trade by far was acquiring Sergei Bobrovsky from the Flyers for 2012 2nd and 4th round picks and a 2023 4th round pick.
But going back to your garage sale trade proposal, you yourself offered Kampf and Jarnkrok WITH Robertson to the Sharks for future considerations. You're telling us now 4 weeks later that both those players have so much trade value that they're the center pieces of a Laine & Jenner trade with salary retention?
01 Aug 2024 22:17:43
16 Jul 2024 16:37:37
Colorado Trades
Future Considerations
Toronto Trades
Kampf
Jarnkrok
Avalanche have the cap space with LTIR in place for next season, and need to solidify the 4th line.
Leafs get the well needed cap space to continue to change the roster that Treliving talked about.
Thoughts?
Pinballisback
Soooo within 2 weeks Kampf and Jarnkrok have gone from worth nothing to being worth Laine AND Jenner WITH RETENTION as long as you include 3 AHLers and a late 1st round pick?
04 Aug 2024 21:14:01
PINBALL: stay down champ, this ain’t your night/ year/ sport.
DRW: thanks for putting Pinball’s own words to some kind of use…but I’m pretty sure he still doesn’t get it.
#PinballREALLYNeedsATimeOut.
13 Jul 2024 16:52:04
Just read an article about a trade between PHI and WPG.
WPG
McGoarty
PHI
Konecny
Laughton
2025-2RD
Great trade for WPG for now. Providing they could resign Konecny.
But both player are later 20s.
But Konecny and Scheifele and think would look really good together.
But honestly I can't see this trade happening.
13 Jul 2024 19:47:17
Yeah, I definitely can't see that happening. The players are too old, have too little term left and Konecny isn't extending in Winnipeg.
It's not anything Winnipeg would be looking for in exchange for McGroarty, imo.
13 Jul 2024 22:38:53
Is this guy, not even a top 10 pick, worth that?
14 Jul 2024 05:05:22
Personally I think this is way too much for McGoarty.
So far all I’ve read so far is that really only few teams interested in McGoarty because of his demand of having a NHL roster spot. Montreal, Carolina, and I guess Philadelphia.
14 Jul 2024 17:11:38
Id like to think Chevy would take this deal. Makes the Jets better and deeper going into next season. Only have so many good years left in Helly so the time for being all in for a cup is now for the Jets.
14 Jul 2024 21:40:34
I would think Flyers add Sanheim and a top prospect, because Rutger is a superstar.
15 Jul 2024 01:53:36
superstar? seems more attitude. maybe should be in Toronto.
16 Jul 2024 11:47:38
I wasn't serious.
21 Jul 2024 06:06:49
Whoever wrote this article is a pinball Winnipeg fan. that's like a trade for a allstar, not a fairly upside prospect.
02 Jul 2024 17:45:18
New York Rangers
- Jacob Trouba ($8m until 2026)
Detroit Red Wings
- Jeff Petry ($2.34m until 2025)
- Olli Maata ($3m until 2025)*
- 2025 1st round pick
- Jonathan Berggren (RFA)
*Detroit retains 25% of Maata's salary ($750k)
"Reports over draft weekend indicated the Detroit Red Wings are interested in acquiring Trouba, a Michigan native." - The Score, June 30, 2024
Honestly I don't know how this trade would play out I'm just looking at what Detroit might be willing to move while also realizing Trouba isn't the $8m defenseman he's paid to be anymore.
Petry would need to have NYR off of his 15 team no trade list, and he can't have any more salary retained as both Pittsburgh and Montreal are retaining to create the $2.34 cap hit he currently has.
Maata is he odd man out on the left side with Chiarot, Gustafson and either Edvinsson/Lagesson taking the last spot.
With their prospect pipeline already stockpiled, this might be the year Yzerman is willing to part with a 1st round pick. If prospects are what Drury would want, Mazur and Soderblom might be available but any 1st rounders drafted in the last 3 drafts are not on the trade block.
Drury just made $12.8 million in cap space with Goodrow being waived, but Schneider and Lindgren need new contracts and Miller, Lafreniere and Shesterkin are all eligible to sign extensions now.
I'm thinking 2 bottom pair defensemen, a 23 year old RFA forward and a 1st round pick might not be a quality return for their captain, but the Rangers might value the immediate roster help + no retention on Trouba's contract to be worth it.
This is a short term solution to free up more cap space for New York to keep their core players beyond 2025, and a long term solution for Detroit to bring in Trouba as a top 4 defenseman, a Michigan native, and potentially extend him after this contract ends.
02 Jul 2024 18:16:30
Seen a report that Shesterkin is wanting a huge raise. Like over $11mill. Miller and Laf both likely in the $6-$7mill range now for an extension. Gonna be an interesting situation to navigate for NYR management.
02 Jul 2024 23:05:18
Interesting scenario DRW. It would be a complicated one to pull off. Petry is also a Michigan boy.
I think a more likely scenario is a clean trade of Trouba to a mutually acceptable destination via another to ensure two teams could retain enough to not make a single team take on that gaudy cap hit.
(I. e. CHI by way of MTL, or some other combo of cities, with sweeteners for each. The ultimate destination will have to be a US city since his dad can’t legally travel outside of the U. S. to watch him play, which is why he left WPG to begin with. )
20 Jun 2024 19:18:28
Blues Trade
Binnington*
Leafs Trade
Kampf*
1st Round Pick 2026(Top-10 protected)
*Both Binnington and Kampf would have to waive their NTC to complete the transaction.
Similar to the Markstrom trade yesterday.
Thoughts ?
20 Jun 2024 19:34:39
Can you name one time the Blues were rumored to be shopping Binnington?
Because Markstrom was on the trade block since March and NJ were pursuing a trade for him since then as well.
Also, this trade is hopelessly sad for St. Louis and their fanbase would hate seeing such a poor return for their franchise goalie.
But you're not going to learn anything from this reply anyway so I'm wasting my time.
20 Jun 2024 19:42:12
- STL laughs and hangs up.
- Kampf is a cap dump who’d require a sweetener to move. He’s a minus player and currently rated as 4th liner. At 2.4M x 3 more years you’d need to retain or sweeten the deal to make it palatable.
- Binnington is a hothead, and therefore wouldn’t be a great fit with any market with lots of media. I can’t imagine a worse market for him, with the possible exceptions of NY or MTL.
- leafs have 3 picks left in the first three rounds for the next three years. THREE! I suspect Treliving will want to acquire more picks, not trade more like Dubas foolishly did.
#PinballNeedsATimeOut.
20 Jun 2024 19:57:35
Not similar.
Binnington is better than Markstrom.
Kampf is not a 23 year old 6’6” D man with upside.
20 Jun 2024 23:22:15
Binnington was rumoured to be in a deal to Edmonton last season involving Jack Campbell+ I believe but don’t quote me Frank servelli reported that around December. Personally I don’t think Binnington is worth a 1st.
IMO it’d be smart to move Binnington and then sign a good backup like Brossiout. Joel Hoefer to me looks like the real deal.
From the leafs POV I’d rather sign a good backup Broissoit or Kahkonen and run Woll as the starter. While allocating the 6.5 million that’d be spent on Binnington to the leafs Dcore.
21 Jun 2024 00:46:36
LMac0420
Have you seen Bahl play?
He is at best a 6th Defenceman more a depth player, so upside is quite comical actually, Markstrom and Binnington are close imo.
Chickenfoot
Is Kampf a Cap Dump because he is a depth fringe NHLer, or is it his Salary because he plays every game unless he is hurt, on St. Louis he is probably a third line checking centre, and he actually is good at that.
So both of you can criticize all you want including Chickenfoot in another post saying no contender wants Marner, again ridiculous and comical.
21 Jun 2024 01:53:36
Once again you prove that feedback just bounces off of you.
I dont even know why you bother asking what our thoughts are about your trades. Nobody ever agrees with you and you don't accept any criticism when you inevitably get it.
21 Jun 2024 02:28:59
Vbb
Yes I know Binnington has been on the trading block, I also believe in Woll and actually Hildeby also but in Toronto they want more security in Goal and Binnington gives them that for sure, Markstrom went for a young 6th or depth Defenceman and a 1st, so the asking price is probably a 1st and a frindge player like Bahl, Kampf is in my proposal because The Blues won't be retaining any contract of Binnington.
21 Jun 2024 04:50:08
What really laughable is #pinball defending these outragous proposals. Marner is a good player, but all the trades you propose that include Marner. well any Toronto player is just trash. Try thinking about what other teams needs.
21 Jun 2024 13:36:48
Pinball
Bahl is 23 just coming into the NHL, D don’t usually hit their prime until 25-28. He has potential to be in the top 4 for Calgary in the coming years. Safe bet for a rebuilding/ retooling team.
How does he compare to a 29 year old 4th line centre who makes 2.4 million?
St. Louis would be better off allocating the money elsewhere.
Fair point Binnington and Markstrom are close, but personally I think Binnington is better. Plus he’s younger. Plus has cup winning experience.
21 Jun 2024 13:40:27
Kampf is an overpaid 4th liner, why not just waive him to get rid of the $2.4m cap hit and see if someone like San Jose or Chicago will grab him to make the cap floor?
If you're just going to compare something 2 other teams did to what you think the Leafs should do, using your own logic this is similar to Goodrow being waived 2 days ago.
And if you're looking to bring in a $6m goalie as starter, why wouldn't you just re-sign Samsonov for that type of money since he's already got team chemistry and is 3 years younger than Binnington?
Seems like the only reason you are trying to acquire Binnington is that his old coach is now in Toronto, no different than when you came up with trades for Saad and Sanford.
Now you can click that disagree button pinball.
21 Jun 2024 14:01:27
LMac0420
Bahl a Top 4 Defenceman?
That alone tells me you haven't seen him play, Markstrom was basically traded for a future 1st Rounder Bahl is the afterthought.
21 Jun 2024 15:07:05
"Today’s trade demonstrates our focus on the infusion of young talented players into our roster as well as acquiring important draft capital, while maintaining our commitment as a playoff competitive team, ” Flames general manager Craig Conroy said in a release. "We thank Jacob for his professionalism and understanding of our decision to make this trade now and at this stage in his career. " - Craig Conroy, June 19, 2024 via TSN
21 Jun 2024 17:25:57
You know what you’re right Pinball, the kids a bust don’t even know why Calgary picked him up. Might as well ship him to Toronto for future considerations.
Once that happens you can package him with Kampf and the rights to Samsonov for Saros. Once he’s a Leaf he’ll hold trade value.
21 Jun 2024 18:02:59
LMac0420
Leafs don't want Bahl, Conroy is one the worst GMs is why he asked for Bahl, if you think he is so great hope you buy his Flames Jersey.
21 Jun 2024 18:58:22
Never said he was great, said the kid has POTENTIAL.
As stated above, on a retooling team he could see top 4 minutes. Not saying he is a Top 4 Dman, not saying he won’t be a bust. Just stating he has more value in a trade for a retooling team than a 29 year old Centre making 2.4 million would for a retooling team.
That all being said if Bahl lives up to his potential and ends up being a top 4 D I just might grab a jersey ;)
21 Jun 2024 22:42:44
This is horrible for blued. He will garner more than markstrom. But why would blues trade him. why.
23 Jun 2024 00:59:13
PINBALL…here is exactly what LMac said:
“He has potential to be in the top 4 for Calgary in the coming years. “
LMac, take it as a compliment when Pinball doesn’t agree with you…it probably means you’re making sense. ?
#PinballNeedsATimeOut!
15 Jun 2024 21:13:13
Blues Trade
Saad*
Leafs Trade
Kampf*
Reaves
*Both Saad and Kampf would have to waive their NTC otherwise it can't happen.
This is just a good old hockey trade, Kampf gives St.Louis a good 3rd line checking Centre and Reaves goes back to were it all started giving them some much needed toughness.
Leafs add to their core of Berube type players and Saad would fit in nicely.
Thoughts ?
15 Jun 2024 23:31:52
This makes all the sense in the world for Toronto. But absolutely none for the Blues. Saad, a 20 goal scorer who can play up and down the lineup for 2 4th liners? No chance.
16 Jun 2024 00:34:53
St. Louis says no.
Toronto adds more.
16 Jun 2024 00:55:22
Reaves has negative value.
16 Jun 2024 01:16:27
Pinball…you don’t have to post EVERY embarrassing notion that comes to mind.
Webmasters, you need to institute some form of quality control to ensure one poster without hockey knowledge or impulse control ruins the experience of your otherwise fine website.
16 Jun 2024 13:53:04
I'm saad you left Robertson and Liljegren out of your trade offer pinball ? you're supposed to make these trades fair for both teams and you left out the 2 most important players the Leafs have of value!
You're going to tell me that not even Dewar deserves to be packaged with this offer? He's too talented to be left out of this. ?
You got to remember Liljegren and Robertson and Dewar next time pinball, they're absolutely essential to be included in any trade you make especially if you're going to look for a player that can play top 4 right handed D or be the starting goalie, and Saad can do both!
18 Jun 2024 03:27:59
Is Saad not overpaid for what he brings?
19 Jun 2024 05:08:14
Hjarmarsson. I have to disagree with you. Reeves is not a 4th line player. A extra that sits in the press box and eats popcorn on the odd chance he'll be in the lineup at some point.
22 Apr 2024 23:14:33
Three way trade
Habs- Anderson-strubble-1st pick wpg 2024
Nsh- Saros
LA - Clarke-dubois-kaliev- 1st pick 2024 LA
Mtl-dubois
LA- Saros-strubble
Nsh- anderson-clarke-kaliev- 1 st pick of LA and WPg
Nsh- get good pieces for Saros and give the net too askarov
LA part ways with Dubois , give them cap relief and the goaltender they needs and a physical LHD to play with spence
Habs take a chance on Dubois , give him a chance too bounce back with Kirby Dach. Big and talented ,kinda player we need. Pretty sure st Louis and Lecavalier could put him on the right track. By dumping Anderson , and 2 expendable pièce
Habs resign Monahan
3years 16M
LA resign Saros 7 x 9 M
Habs top 6
Monahan-suzuki-slaf
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23 Apr 2024 02:07:54
There's not enough there to dump Anderson.
23 Apr 2024 17:00:05
I think it’s solid!
23 Apr 2024 18:18:55
Don't see a scenario where LA gets rid of Clarke. If you want to cut the middle man (NSH) . Do Anderson and a pick for Dubois.
The issue with Dubois is he wants to just be a 1st liner, but has yet to show he's a 1st liner in any capacity. He goes to the Habs and he has to beat out Suzuki and I don't see him doing that. Maybe he'd be content since he'll be close to home, but I think we would see the same results as we have in Columbus, Winnipeg, and LA.
24 Apr 2024 04:07:09
I don't see it for Habs. I like the direction they are going . Sure its great to bring in a Frnech guy I suppose, but it seems like he's got some kind of attitude issue ( Columbus, Winnipeg) . I'm sure they will look for a top 6 forward, but I like the potential of
Slafkovsky- Suzuki- Caufield
Roy - Dach - Newhook.
25 Apr 2024 16:32:13
Agreed @Sosahabs24!
Habs have added some great draft capital to add some good young pieces and "castoffs" from other teams that are finding their way on the Habs. Tonnes of young damn coming up the system as well. Only hole I see is a capable starting goalie. Habs will be back in the playoff hunt soon enough.
25 Mar 2024 13:54:30
At The Draft.
Ottawa Trades
BTkachuk
Hamonic
3rd Round Pick 2025*
Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Holmberg
DeWar
Liljegren
Cowan (OHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)
*Sens have 2 picks in the 2025 3rd Round, their own and Florida's.
The Leafs will decide which one they want at The 2025 Draft.
This would be a trade proposal of the ages, Ottawa imo would look at this as they are still in a rebuild and getting this much for mostly BTkachuk could help them more for their future than not doing this proposal.
Leafs get a LWinger that brings so much to the table it would be worth trading away that much youth and future to get him, Hamonic gives them also what they need a tough right-handed shooting defenceman.
Thoughts ?
25 Mar 2024 14:48:55
Ottawa won't trade Tkachuk, especially for that horrible offer of 4th line NHLers, boarder line AHLers, unproven Junior players, and late 1st round picks.
Stop already with your daily one sided, pro leaf trade follies.
25 Mar 2024 15:40:46
islandjet1
Besides DeWar who is the 4th liner? and there are no AHLers in my proposal, Easton Cowan just set a record for conservative points in London and that's not a prospect?
Liljegren would be third in Defense scoring so that's garbage as well?
Two 1st Rounders aren't worth anything else according to you.
And Holmberg is a solid Winger/ Centre and will only get better.
Look to trade Brady Tkachuk would be a bold move but what is in my proposal is the opposite of what you just posted as besides DeWar being a 4th liner, nothing else in your view applies at all.
25 Mar 2024 22:12:48
Stop it. Ottawa wouldn't accept and the little cost controlled depth we do have should be held onto.
We are a whole ass year away from being ready to make a legitimate push. We have next to zero draft capital, our goaltending is questionable at best, and we are still missing a very solid RHD.
You overvalue our players like no other man and have no idea the value of other teams' players or their importance to their current team.
25 Mar 2024 23:35:21
Adding Tkachuk would mean $62.355 million out of a possible $87.7 million salary cap will be allocated to 6 players, 5 of which are forwards. (Matthews 13.25, Nylander 11.5, Tavares 11, Marner 10.9, Reilly 7.5 and Tkachuk at 8.205)
$24.645 million left to pay 16 players, one of which would be Samsonov looking for an extension and a raise on his current $3.55m salary.
Toronto doesn't get any closer to a Stanley cup by trading their best prospect and 2 1st round picks for another forward.
26 Mar 2024 13:19:09
DrezDave
16 players to resign?
That number is way off, you might disagree with me which you are entitled to about my proposal, but please post facts not fiction.
26 Mar 2024 13:29:39
He never said we needed to resign them he's saying we have $24.645 mill to fill out 16 roster spots. That's not enough to build a contending team. I'm sure you are seeing Vegas trade away their draft capital and are thinking man we should do that too. The difference is they have guys signed at reasonable cap hits so they have built an absolute powerhouse of a team because of it. They can afford to trade draft picks away cause they are likely 3-4 years away from some key players regressing and can wait to add prospects. We are not.
26 Mar 2024 13:32:55
$10.7 million allocated to Knies, Kampf, Reaves, Mcmann, McCabe, Timmins and Woll.
So that's $73 million out of $87 million committed to 13 players.
$14 million left to sign a starting goalie, 3 NHL caliber defenseman, and 5 other NHL caliber forwards.
You want facts? You can't ice a competitive NHL roster when 84% of your teams salary is allocated to only 13 players, none of which are the starting goalie.
26 Mar 2024 13:39:37
MG69
Leafs for next season have 13 players signed, the max on a roster is 23 players so 23 - 13 is 10 not 16, please explain where the other 6 come in?
26 Mar 2024 13:52:55
DrwDave
Woll is the starter next season not Samsonov, which I believe isn't resigned.
26 Mar 2024 14:10:05
Might as well take 2.2 mill off that Hamonic makes @DrwDave so that number now becomes 11.8 mill for two NHL caliber dmen, 5 other forwards, and I won't even say a starting goalie but another goalie to share starting duties with Will. Either way it's not enough to make a competitive cup team.
26 Mar 2024 14:40:40
Good god man he is saying the rest of the cap left over after you take away the cap hits of Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, and Tkachuk would be used on the remaining roster spots whether they are signed to us or not. He also listed the players that are signed through till next offseason and they eat up $12.9 mill. So now we are at around $11.8 mill for the remaining roster spots from either guys in our system or guys we sign. End of the day we need another NHL level goalie, at least 2 NHL level dmen, and forwards to either be signed or from our system. The number is actually even less as I didn't include Jarnkrok.
28 Mar 2024 11:06:43
Thats alot of quantity with very little quality coming from the leafs, like usual.
31 Mar 2024 11:27:05
"Thanks, I needed a good laugh. " - Steve Staios.
19 Mar 2024 16:54:23
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)
Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
1st Round Pick 2024
*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.
**Kampf will have to waive his modified no trade clause if The Blues aren't part of clause.
Thoughts ?
19 Mar 2024 19:55:19
hi. St. Louis? wanna trade 2 of your quality players for a bag of nothing? No? okay. I'll try somewhere else.
19 Mar 2024 23:20:51
2 of St. Louis Blues quality players balsam8?
Buchnevich agreed is a top forward on an expiring contract next season, and The Blues tried trading him at the deadline retaining 50% of his contract, the other quality player is the 3rd Rounder?
Leafs Players are a bag of nothing including a 1st Rounder?
Sorry you aren't making any sense at all imo.
20 Mar 2024 12:05:52
He's referring to the trade below. But man two fourth liners and a 1st are not getting a top 6 winger and a third. It just isn't happening. We don't need help upfront man, we really truly do not. We need stability in net and some stability on the back end. Like vbbb has said before once Tavares is off the books and is either brought back on a Spezza/ Gio deal or walks that is when we are going to really be competitive. Roughly $9mill to add a good piece or two that will push us over the top. We need to use the little draft capital we do have to replenish our prospect pool. Alot of our prospects are hitting that 23-24 age and most haven't been good enough to compete for a roster spot. And because of that their value in a trade isn't going to be much.
20 Mar 2024 21:14:01
Buchnevich will get St. Louis a much better return than this. There's no rush when they have him for another year.
Toronto also doesn't solve any of their issues with this trade. They have too much cap space tied up on forwards, very few prospects, and even fewer draft picks to build their prospect pipeline.
20 Mar 2024 21:17:06
Even if the Leafs could somehow convince St. Louis to retain 50% salary on Buch, which with this package they cant, that $2.9m would still mean Toronto is using almost $50 million of their team salary to pay 5 forwards.
Because you're a Leafs fan, I have to assume you already know using more than half the teams salary on forwards is not going to win them a cup. right?
21 Mar 2024 16:22:29
Absolutely brutal.
Pinball, even your fellow leaf fans think your trades make no sense, yet you resist everyone's feedback.
Your pre-trade deadline trade ideas were waaaaaay off, and now you're fixated on some version of a trade with STL that's so far off it's a complete waste of everyone's time.
24 Mar 2024 22:27:06
Blues may get a sign and trade for buch at draft.
18 Mar 2024 14:47:49
At The Draft.
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko
Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
Villeneuve (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
5th Round Pick 2024***
*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.
**Kampf would have to waive his modified no trade clause.
***Leafs have 3 5th Round Picks in the 2024 Draft, Blues get to choose which one they want.
Treliving I believe will be looking to get bigger and tougher on Defense as well adding a Top Winger for the top 6.
St.Louis might bite at this proposal as it will give them some youth and draft picks minus Kampf of course as he would be a Cap Dump.
Thoughts ?
19 Mar 2024 01:42:19
People know Leafs are desperate to win with the "Core 4". To get better players, Cowen, Mitten are gonna be included. Your 1st is a late 20's the rest is meh. kinda blah. I think if Leafs don't win this year, the window is closed.
19 Mar 2024 01:43:32
Unless Woll becomes upper echelon goalie.
19 Mar 2024 02:31:17
That doesnt get you parayko or buch by itself.
19 Mar 2024 17:09:50
Once the Tavares contract expires and he signs a league minimum contract ( Jason Spezza/ gio like ) then the leafs window truly opens.
20 Mar 2024 21:07:07
Adding another forward won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs
Trading another 1st round pick won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs
Sit still and stock up some prospects. They need to balance the books and get Marner signed before they can figure out the rest.
2025-26 they'll be back better, until then the Leafs need to sit and their fans need to chill.
08 Mar 2024 13:34:08
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko
Blais
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)
Leafs Trade
Brodie
Liljegren
Kampf
NRobertson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)
*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's remaining contract.
If Toronto really wants to make a splash and go for it this year adding these 3 players will help huge imo.
Thoughts ?
08 Mar 2024 19:03:42
- Puts leaves over the cap.
- Doug Armstrong is a credible GM. Give him a little credit. No way he gives up those players for this kind of package.
08 Mar 2024 17:17:22
Thats aweful completly aweful.
08 Mar 2024 17:29:09
Liljgren
Nemila
1st 2024
1st 2025
Minten
2nd 2024.
08 Mar 2024 22:18:23
Honestly, tor just doesn't have what it takes to make that trade not at all.
19 Mar 2024 23:20:29
If you were to replace Lili with someone else I’d do that @redwing1 I don’t think teams are prepared to give up what’d you’d expect for Paryanko and Buch not that you overate them just that teams generally don’t pay as much as people expect in those types of deals. I fully think Paryanko is close to being on par with Morgan Rielly.
07 Mar 2024 16:18:34
My Dream Trade that would take the Jets to the next level:
St. Louis Colton Parayko (Waive NTC)
to Winnipeg:
Nate Schmidt
Brad Lambert
Ville Heinola
Defense parings after:
Morrisey, Parayko
Pionk, Dillon,
Demelo, Samberg
Depth - Stanley, Copabianco
07 Mar 2024 16:26:23
I don't see why St. Louis would do that.
I also don't think it's a good idea to be tied into Parayko's contract until he's 37.
07 Mar 2024 17:05:26
Absolutely Agree,
St. Louis Doug Armstrong is known for being agressive. He signed alot of big contracts last summer including Parayko, Krug, Faulk on the back end and St louis is 4-5-1 in last 10 games outside the wildcard. In the past he has traded assets to retool. this package gets him 3 nhl ready and 2 young former #1 draft picks that don't fit into Jets next 3 years. "I am Dreaming" if this were to happen it would be Major news in Trade Deadline in NHL. Realty it is 99% sur not to happen.
08 Mar 2024 17:31:44
Parayko will cost willander plus 1st 2024 and also if money coming back probably another 1st. Why do teams trade #1rhd in the nhl on term. They dont.
06 Mar 2024 20:44:37
Blues Trade
Parayko
Leafs Trade
Brodie
Timmons
1st Round Pick 2024 or 2026 (STL choice at this upcoming draft)
If Treliving wants to make a serious splash on Defense this is the type of trade he should make, is it enough to get Parayko is the biggest question.
Thoughts ?
07 Mar 2024 22:17:12
- is the reality of the leafs trade deadline moves registering with you in any way Pinball?
- Treliving inherited years of mismanagement from Dubas. The lineup is top-heavy and years of trading picks have left few real prospects and only 3/ 9 picks for the next 3 years’ first 3 rounds of the draft.
- Treliving was always going to be limited in what he could do at the deadline. Everyone seems to understand that.
- given what he inherited, I’d say Treliving has done some decent bargain bin shopping to address his back end needs.
- Edmundson is battling a variety of physical ailments, but he will play smartly within his limitations and make the front of the net unpleasant for opponents.
- Boosh will be a good add for the leafs back end too. Neither he nor Eddy cost much in assets, and they addressed the leafs’ most obvious needs: defensive depth. (As many here have pointed out to you. )
- if the feedback to your one-sided trades that mostly focused on adding forwards doesn’t register with you, perhaps the reality of this trade deadline’s moves and asset costs will.
09 Mar 2024 11:33:18
Treliving improved the team without breaking the bank. Dewar can slot in at any forward position, kill penalties, physical for his size. Boosh and Edmundson add that snarl on the backend.
This wasn't the year to big game hunt. We didn't have the prospect depth or the draft capital that other teams were working with. Hell, we don't have a draft pick in 2025 until the 5th round. This group is going to have to come together down the stretch; continue playing with a bit of snarl and a chip on their shoulder; and hopefully one of the goalies gets hot at the right time.
06 Mar 2024 20:18:08
To Toronto- Parayko and Neighbours
To Blues - Brodie, Minten, Niemela and 2024 first
blues could then flip Brodie for a pick with some retention.
07 Mar 2024 12:57:29
I watched the Blues a couple days after making a Parayko trade and he’s still a horse. the contract is a little scary but he’s solid out there.
Neighbours was also one of the best Blues players out there, I’m guessing he’s next to untouchable.
07 Mar 2024 13:22:36
That doesnt get you parayko not at all. Neighbors isn't for sale. Why would anyone do that?