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20 Feb 2024 13:17:12
Minnesota Trades
Fleury
Hartman
Bogosian
Toronto Trades
Samsonov
NRobertson
Holmberg
Liljegren
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYI Pick)
Considering no retention of Salary and Fleury and Bogosian are upcoming UFAs a 3rd Rounder is fair in this proposal.
Players involved makes sense for both teams imo.
Thoughts ?
20 Feb 2024 18:13:20
- MIN is 2 points out of a wild card. why would they torpedo their playoff chances to generously help your team like this?
- Quantity doesn't equal quality.
- IF Fleury waives he will bring a better return than this yard sale. If he were to waive it would be to go somewhere to have a much better shot at winning than what's available with the leafs.
- Hartman is already re-signed when his contract runs out this summer for a very reasonable 4M x 3 years. That's a high-value fit for MIN & Hartman.
- In short, your trades focus on leaf needs, and lack any consideration of what the other team needs.
- The fact that Robertson & Liljegren appear so frequently in your trade offers show that you don't regard them very highly either, yet you continue to include them with your one-sided trade proposals. Neither is a meaningful piece.
- Samsonov is a cap dump. Cap dumps require compensation to take them on. Is he an NHL goalie next year? My guess is he's in the KHL.
20 Feb 2024 19:44:15
Chickenfoot
NRobertson and Liljegren are 2 reasonable NHL Players that a lot of teams would want on their team, Leafs are still in a win now mode is why they would be added in potential deals, What I proposed isn't really one-sided at all.
Bogosian on an expiring contract was earlier this season traded by TB to Minny for a 7th Round Pick, you don't think Liljegren is an upgrade?
NRobertson and Holmberg for Hartman is about right, which leaves Samsonov and a 3rd Rounder for Fleury which again is about right when it's Liljegren for Bogosian.
I guess I should have made it Matthews, WNylander, Rielly, Samsonov and a 3rd for Fleury, Hartman and Bogosian to make it fair in your eyes.
20 Feb 2024 22:11:23
Chickenfoot
Want to add Samsonov isn't a cap dump as he is 7-2 since he had his setback with a shutout and a very respectful Goals Against Avg.
Kampf and or Reaves are cap dumps not Samsonov.
21 Feb 2024 04:18:48
- how many times per week do you include Robertson and/ or Lilly in trade proposals? If you don’t want them then why would another team?
- Samsonov is a cap dump, and everyone knows the leafs need goaltending. Help won’t come cheap at the deadline.
- Pay attention to what kinds of returns happen at the deadline, and then compare them to your one-sided proposals throughout the year. The value you put on your players is not realistic, and that will be evident with whatever deals happen or don’t happen at the deadline.
21 Feb 2024 17:01:17
We need to hold onto the only right handed dman we do have. Lily isn't going to be a top dman ever, but he could be a decent top 4 if he continues to round out his game, but most likely going to be a very solid bottom pair dman. And that's okay as long as we don't overpay him.
Are we in win now mode? Sure. Is this the year to push all the chips to the center and try and win it all? Absolutely not. Our goaltending is still questionable (yes Samsonov has been playing decent hockey, but he has also looked very shakey at times too) .
Robertson has shown he's likely going to be a 3rd line player who can score some goals and that's about that. He's not going to be the piece that makes a big trade happen.
We shouldn't be in a rush to deal Holmberg as he's going to likely be a key bottom player for us since we won't be working with a tonne of money. He's got NHL experience and can play that 4th line role well.
As for the Minny players coming back. Hartman would be a great add for any team, but Minny gave him the extension for a reason so they likely aren't looking to unload him this year or next unless things go sideways. Fleury would be a good add as well, but again Minny is still in the playoff hunt. Do they get rid of a goalie who has playoff experience and still plays an overall good game? I doubt it. And finally Bogosian who yes a serviceable player as well, but is he what the Leafs need? I personally would rather us add a more mobile defenseman who plays a good all around defensive game in our end. Also don't think Bogosian really would want to come back to TO.
22 Feb 2024 16:01:03
Kudos to MG for his consistently realistic and pragmatic view of his team, the league, and the value of various assets.
No one hates the leafs Pinball, but your trades are almost as unrealistic as the leaf fan who posts under the Habs-themed name.
19 Feb 2024 13:33:56
MIN - Jake Middleton, Patrick Maroon and 2024 2nd
TOR - Tyler Bertuzzi
Minnesota acquires Bertuzzi in hopes of resigning him long-term. Leafs grab a decent defensemen, winning veteran bottom 6 forward, a draft pick and frees up 2.25M in cap space for more potential moves.
Middleton - 2.45M @ 2 UFA
Maroon - 800K @ 1 UFA
Bertuzzi - 5.5M @ 1 UFA
Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Max Domi - John Tavares - William Nylander
Bobby McMann - Calle Jarnkrok - Nicholas Robertson
Ryan Reaves - David Kampf - Patrick Maroon
Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Jake Middleton - Jake McCabe
Simon Benoit - Timothy Liljegren
Ilya Samsonov
Joseph Woll
Just wanted to post something new
19 Feb 2024 14:27:40
Seems fair but I don't think Bertuzzi will waive for a non contending team.
19 Feb 2024 14:44:44
So the leafs get:
- the best player in the trade (Middleton), who is under contract for the coming year at a very reasonable cap hit. (A D-man with almost identical offensive stats as Bert. )
- 2.25M in cap relief…which is absolutely huge.
- a proven winner in Maroon who would be an instant heart transplant for the leafs at playoff time.
- on top of all this, they get a 2nd too?
MIN gets:
- a head case they could sign as a UFA next season if they really wanted him. (And they won’t because they won’t be able to afford him with their crushing buyout penalties. )
- less depth for a team only 4 points out of a wild card?
I can’t imagine any scenario where Billy G would consider such a move. There’s absolutely no reason for him to do this to his team.
19 Feb 2024 15:11:10
Maroon is out 4-6 weeks just sayin ;)
20 Feb 2024 02:04:54
I think you're right, just throwing new trade ideas out instead of posting the same old stuff @chickenfoot.
20 Feb 2024 16:10:07
Would love to acquire a guy like Middleton. He would round out the defense without breaking the bank in terms of cap hit. I'd imagine to get him though you're looking at parting with a 1st, 2nd, and one of Minten or Cowen, plus a player to make the cap work (Kampf) . Big price, but got to pay to play.
I know Bert personally (grew up playing hockey against him and with him on occasion) and he really isn't a headcase just to make that known. He had a good stint with Boston and got paid. I'm sure we all would take advantage of a nice pay increase if it allowed. As for his performance I couldn't tell yah why it hasn't seemed to click or work in Toronto. If the Leafs trade him to a playoff team I would imagine he would waive, but maybe not seeing as his family just welcomed a new addition and likely doesn't want to be relocating. Hopefully it turns around for him though and we get some production down the stretch and into the playoffs from him.
20 Feb 2024 18:30:18
Bertuzzi let his team down when he remained the last anti-vax holdout in the NHL. He let his team mates down by missing all Canadian games when his team was in the hunt for a playoff position, and this hurt his trade value as well.
He has the tools to be great, but not the mindset. He scored 30 two years ago, followed by 2 years in single digits. He's on his 3rd team in two years, and the leafs only signed him for one year on a "prove it deal". Call it "mindset" if you prefer, but clearly he leaves his potential unfulfilled for a variety of reasons, and this year did nothing to improve his UFA salary negotiations.
14 Feb 2024 15:18:52
2 trade proposals.
First One.
Minnesota Trades
Bogosian
1st Round Pick 2025*
Toronto Trades
Liljegren
*Lottery Protected
Second One.
St.Louis Trade
Buchnevich+
Toronto Trades
Kampf
NRobertson
1st Round Pick 2025 (Wild Pick)
+Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's remaining 2 year contract.
First proposal very similar to The Rasmus Sandin trade with Washington at last season's deadline and it gives Toronto what they are looking for.
Second Proposal improves the Top Line or second LW position, the prior proposal keeps The Leafs 1st Rounder this upcoming draft using The Wilds pick in 2025.
Thoughts ?
14 Feb 2024 18:39:23
- Minny is definitely trying to build through the draft, especially given their crushing buyout penalties. They are unlikely to trade a 1st. (Do you think you might be a tad overvaluing Lilly? )
- I'm not sure why STL would retain 2 seasons of Boosh & take on 4 years of Kampf @ 2.4M/ year.
- You explain how this helps the leafs, but you leave out an equally important part: how does this help the other teams involved? There has to be a fit for both teams, otherwise what's the point?
14 Feb 2024 20:04:04
Bogo would refuse to even get on a plane to return to Toronto.
14 Feb 2024 21:17:12
1 Sure the capitals made a similar trade a year ago, but are they a better team now than they were then?
2 Exchange veteran kampf for a prospect like Cowan or mittens, kampf could easily be perceived as a dump to make the cap work for the leafs rather than value to the blues.
15 Feb 2024 06:42:02
Liljegren isn’t worth a 1st and the second trade doesnt meet the Blues needs at all
18 Feb 2024 04:21:26
Buch would require knies and first since he has 1.5 years and retention and 1 year cap dump.
31 Jan 2024 16:16:30
Edmonton.- Campbell,1ST& 2nd in 2024
Anaheim. - 2b defensive prospect in return.
Edmonton.- Edm. 6th & Preds 6th
Minnesota - Maroon & Bogosian
Montreal - Monahan
Edmonton - Lavoie & 5th 2024
22 Jan 2024 23:16:47
Oilers
Mattias Janmark
6th 2024 6th
7th 2026
To Wild for:
Patrick Maroon
"reunited and it feels so good" ;)
23 Jan 2024 02:52:36
- I like it!
- MIN is a classy organization and probably has an agreement with him to move him to a contender for one last shot. I bet they'd release him for a 7th.
23 Jan 2024 03:29:53
Sammy, . I mean Chickenfoot ;) They just may. I added a 6th (for this year) thinking it should happen but added a 7th two years later for them to accept the deal to be a lock up for the Oilers.
I feel Vancouver is big and a player like Maroon, reuniting with Perry could not only add some muscle and some antagonizing effects while possibly becoming a strong third line or used on the forth line.
Nuge - Mac- Hyman
Kane-Drais-Foegele
Maroon- McLeod- Perry
Gane- Holloway-Desharais
They really make a 3rd and 4th line beome very interchangeable.
23 Jan 2024 21:51:13
Makes good sense to me, and I love the humour! ?.
24 Jan 2024 06:08:40
Solid
24 Nov 2023 20:11:52
Alright here's a wild one with how bad Edmonton is doing and the wake up call my Sens need. What if they make a blockbuster between them sending McDavid and Draisaitl to Ottawa for a massive haul.
EDM : McDavid, Draisaitl
OTT : Chabot, Batherson, Norris, Taresenko, Kubalik, Forsberg/ Korpisalo, Boucher, 2024 1st, 2025 1st,
Ottawa gets the leagues best 2 players without giving up the support they have to pair them with and frees up a little space to sign Pinto, while Edmonton gets a completely new look Top unit, a decent support forward, a solid prospect, a quality goalie who's better than what they have now, and 2 unprotected 1sts to boot.
Ottawas new look Top 6
Tkachuk McDavid Greig
Draisaitl Stutzle Giroux
Draisaitl would be a great German Mentor for Stutzle and McDavid would be the peice to put Ottawa in the driver's seat in the Atlantic.
Edmonton new look Top 9
Hyman Norris Batherson
Kane Nuge Terasenko
Kubalik McCloud Brown
Plus they would have a 1 2 punch defense with Chabot and Ekholm and a better Goaltender and some future stock with Boucher and the picks.
25 Nov 2023 03:22:58
This is a lil more than a wild one.
25 Nov 2023 20:54:46
Quality over Quantity. As a sens fan, if we wanted McDavid (excluding Drai) it would probably take one of Stu or Sanderson to get the convo started.
Counter Proposal:
Chabot, Forsberg and a 2nd for Nugent Hopkins and Broberg
I do like Chabots fit on the Oilers assuming they manage to move clear cap and RNH accepts NMC. Forsberg immediately moves into their 1G role. Ottawa gets a good locker room team player on a great contract. Broberg gets a change of scenery and the 2nd can be used as part of the Campbell move.
27 Nov 2023 15:01:30
HockeyDads although I don't mind Nuge, he ain't worth Chabot let alone Ottawa adding Forsberg and a 2nd lol that just sends one sided vibes the likes of the Zibanejad and a 2nd for Brassard trade from years ago which was horrible for Ottawa in the moment and aged even worst. No thanks.
Also, what are you talking about quality over quantity for? That has nothing to do with this trade at all. Sure none of these guys are on the same level as Draisaitl or McDavid but honestly, who in the league is? Does that mean there is no quality here? Not a chance!
Chabot is one of the leagues best Top 2 Defensemen. Batherson is a young RW on a favorable contract who is more than capable of a point per game pace. Forsberg or Korpisalo have more than proven in recent years they are both very capable starting goalies. Norris is easily, like Batherson, more than capable of a point a game pace, could likely score 40 plus goals in a season, and is easily a Top 6 Center on any team he plays for. Teresenko may be older but he's proven in the past and is proving right now that he's a very capable winger himself who can at minimum put up 60 plus points. Boucher is still considered a high end prospect. And Kubalik is a solid middle 6 guy who's capable of 25 plus goals a season. Plus you add in a couple unprotected 1sts in 2024 and 2025. Call me crazy but you'll have to explain to me how you can honestly make that claim that this is quantity without quality? Lmfao This trade litteraly screams quality + quantity for quality to me and anyone who knows a thing or 2 about hockey!
29 Nov 2023 11:14:05
I’m just saying if Edmonton ever traded McDavid they would need a superstar they can build around in return. I know how good all those guys are, but none are the superstar you build around.
That’s why I said it would need to be Stu, Sandy or Tkachuk as one of the pieces.
30 Nov 2023 01:44:07
Both Norris as well as Chabot are young enough and skilled enough to build a team around dude.
Chabot is a Top 2 teir Dman who proved already that given the right defense partner he can be among the leagues best defensemen, he litteraly did just that when he was paired with Dylan Demelo of all people, that type of dman to pair him with isn't hard to find or get either.
And Norris within a few seasons already posted a 35 goal, point a game campaign as a rookie / softmore. Dude hasn't even come close to his prime yet.
Either one of those guys can easily be built around. Sure they ain't Tkachuk or Stutzle or Sanderson, but that don't mean they ain't great in their own rights. Plus the mentor figure Taresenko, a great young linemate on one of the best contracts in hockey in Batherson, a Solid prospect in Boucher, a starting Goalie far better than the ones they currently have, and 2 1sts which could essentially be both this year since Ottawa does have 2 this year and as we stand right now, one of those is looking great so far.
23 Nov 2023 16:49:38
2 trade proposals for The Leafs.
First Proposal.
Calgary Trades
Tanev
Toronto Trades
Klingberg
Kokkonen (AHL)
Second Proposal.
Chicago Trades
(Future Considerations)
Toronto Trades
Reaves
Abruzzese (AHL)
Calgary might get more from another team but with Bogosian going to Minnesota from TB for a 7th Round Pick and Tanev being comparable my proposal imo is similar.
Chicago with a ton of Cap add a policeman for Bedard plus a prospect for really nothing.
Toronto gets a Defenceman much needed in Tanev and Klingberg might be done but it solves that mystery of what to do with his contract, these 2 proposals both improves Defense and adds Cap to active Connor Timmons as well, and if PKane decides to play in Toronto for a minimum one year contract this would give The Leafs enough to do this or just recall McMann or some other AHLer.
Thoughts ?
23 Nov 2023 17:45:34
Come on Pinball. Tanev gets a good prospect plus a good pick. Leafs will need to pay to rid themselves of Klingberg.
23 Nov 2023 18:13:19
Leafs will not trade Klingberg even if the oilers offered McDavid straight up. Klingberg chose Toronto last season and wants to be a leaf.
23 Nov 2023 18:55:00
Coulson
Bogosian was traded this season from TB to Minnesota for a 7th Round Pick, Tanev and Bogosian are very comparable so to think Tanev will get a good prospect and a high draft pick, than you really aren't accept Tanev isn't worth more than a late round pick just like Bogosian.
Ask yourself why Tanev would be worth more than Bogosian, unless you really haven't watch either Tanev and Bogosian play.
23 Nov 2023 20:34:49
Pinball, everybody here knows you don't watch hockey. Equal players. if you don't watch hockey, at least read about it.
24 Nov 2023 15:24:09
Bogasian cap dump to activate Fluery from injury. We finally found a player VB likes. Klingberg of all players. ??.
26 Nov 2023 04:08:31
Accept tansv plays solid top 4 minutes and boggasian is a 6 to 7 d at most don't really see tansv being scratched.
25 Aug 2023 16:53:29
Boston:forbort..Minnesota:Hartman. Minnesota could use a defenseman and Boston has extra and gets another option at center.
26 Aug 2023 06:36:48
Interesting, I’d say it looks pretty good tbh. Fair value and good reasoning.
19 Aug 2023 10:26:51
To Minnesota Wild :
C - Evgeny Kuznetsov ( 4.68 @ 2 UFA )
( 40% Salary Retained )
To Washington Capitals :
1st Round Pick in 2025 - MIN
LW - Marcus Foligno ( 3.10 @ 1 UFA )
7th Round Pick in 2025 - MIN
LW - Marcus Johansson ( 2.00 @ 2 UFA )
Kirill Kaprizov - Joel Eriksson Ek - Matthew Boldy
Marco Rossi - Evgeny Kuznetsov - Mats Zuccarello
Frederick Gaudreau - Ryan Hartman - Pavel Novak
Brandon Duhaime - Connor Dewar - Patrick Maroon
Jonas Brodin - Jared Spurgeon
Jacob Middleton - Calen Addison
Alex Goligoski - Brock Faber
Alex Ovechkin - Nicklas Backstrom - TJ Oshie
Anthony Mantha - Dylan Strome - Tom Wilson
Marcus Johansson - Connor McMichael - Sonny Milano
Marcus Foligno - Nic Dowd - Nicolas Aube-Kubel
Martin Fehervary - John Carlson
Joel Edmundson - Nick Jensen
Rasmus Sandin - James Van Riemsdyk
19 Aug 2023 17:55:55
Trevor* not James lmao
19 Aug 2023 19:35:04
Good one Casual ?.
20 Aug 2023 15:13:38
washinton laughs at you. you want to trade a top line center quality player for 2 cap dumps and 1st and 7th, and that doesnt even bring in the 40% retention for 2 years. aside from the 1st, there is not a single asset they would want out of that.
28 Aug 2023 10:31:32
fair if kunetzov cares, I think he gets less.
08 Aug 2023 09:18:31
To Calgary Flames:
MIN - 1st Round Pick in 2024
D - Calen Addison (RFA)
LW - Liam Ohgren (918k @ 3 RFA)
To Minnesota Wild:
D - Noah Hanifin (4.95 @ 1 UFA)
C - Mikael Backlund (2.67 @ 1 UFA)
(50% Retained Salary on Backlund)
Kirill Kaprizov - Joel Eriksson Ek - Matthew Boldy
Mats Zuccarello - Mikael Backlund - Marco Rossi
Marcus Foligno - Ryan Hartman - Marcus Johansson
Brandon Duhaime - Frederick Gaudreau - Patrick Maroon
Noah Hanifin - Jared Spurgeon
Jonas Brodin - Brock Faber
Jacob Middleton - Alex Goligoski
Jonathan Huberdeau - Elias Lindholm - Matt Coronato
Andrew Mangiapane - Nazem Kadri - Yegor Sharangovich
Jakob Pelletier - Connor Zary - Dillon Dube
Adam Ruzicka - Blake Coleman - Walker Duehr
Mackenzie Weegar - Rasmus Andersson
Oliver Kylington - Chris Tanev
Nikita Zadorov - Calen Addison
08 Aug 2023 12:58:33
Backlund would be a good add but Hanifin is a dime and a dozen player definitely not gonna bring much in a back in a trade. I think he gets a 3rd like Joel Edmonston.
08 Aug 2023 15:50:06
You can sure tell who is out east, need to stay up past your bedtime and watch the west play.
Hanifin would slot in 1 or 2 whole on the leafs. Makes me chuckle. Yet N Robertson is worth everything. ???.
08 Aug 2023 19:09:39
Convoy-boy clearly has more anger than information, which isn't a complete surprise.
Here's some 411 on Hanifin:
- Tied for 38th in Defense Points
- Played 81 games in each of the last 2 years.
- at 6-3, 215 lbs, he would be a top-2 pairing on almost any NHL roster.
- at 4.95M or 1 more season he is greatly out-producing his contract.
- at 26, he is still a year away from his statistical prime.
- I suspect he'll find his way home to BOS, but this is as good a trade scenario as any.
VB: nice to introduce you to Hanifin. Dime a dozen player? Embarrassing.
08 Aug 2023 21:20:15
I am not a convoy-boy. Lol. But people assuming that I am is no different than commenting how self centred and over assuming people from Ontario and Quebec are. But anyway this is hockey talk. I still don’t see that as being even close to fair offering. Second line center 50%retained and a top pair dman for 2 players that are not even Locks for nhl and a pick between 20&25 doesn’t add up.
09 Aug 2023 00:37:23
NASHAN: I refer to VB as “Convoy Boy” because he supported the trucker convoy, and he is the angry kind that doesn’t let facts or conmon sense interfere with his posts.
I agreed 100% with your initial post. Hanifin is a horse, and Robertson won’t even get a renewal offer from the leafs, yet he remains overhyped by leaf fans because leaf TV (Sportsnet & TSN) share the same parent company and are contractually obligated to hype the leafs at the expense of objectively covering the NHL, or even the Canadian teams. )
08 Jul 2023 02:47:54
Just spit balling here...
Vancouver trades:
Vancouver - Boeser
Minnesota - 3rd round pick 2024 (2nd round in $$ retained)
Vancouver - Garland
Washington - 2nd round pick 2025
*Washington would have to trade Mantha to make this work**
-------------------------------
I think Vancouver could get Hoglander to fulfill what Garland does, but at a cheaper cap hit.
I think Boesers spot could be filled by Podkolzin.
Then Vancouver should pursue Max Comtois on a "Show me" contract.
If Myers is traded, Dumba could be a great addition... pending the contract. (No more than 3 years @ 4 million)
08 Jul 2023 17:28:38
- MIN has around 8M to fill 7 roster spots
- Boeser costs 6.65M
- with 2 more seasons of 14M+ in dead cap MIN isn’t in a position to add a nice piece like Boeser, even at the bargain you’re offering. It would be tempting, but they’re in cap hell for two more years.
19 Jun 2023 01:38:56
CBJ should offer sheet Gustavsson. 7 years 7.5 million. Minnesota doesn't have the cap space to match it. CBJ would have to move a small contract to make the cap work but would be a huge upgrade in goal
19 Jun 2023 03:09:55
or mybe traid both goalies and offer sheet gustavson and swayman.
19 Jun 2023 10:24:25
Gustavsson and Swayman are going to likely require the same draft pick compensation going to either Minnesota or Boston so you wouldn't be able to get both of them.
19 Jun 2023 15:27:11
Compensation for Gustavsson at that cap hit is next year's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Only way you get Swayman would be at $1,415,740 which wouldn't require any compensation. You offer him that he's not signing the offer sheet lol. And if he did for some reason Boston matches. Your other option is to grossly overpay Gustavsson at $10,725,315 which would require the next four years of 1st round picks. And then offer Swayman either $1,415,741-$2,145,061 which is next year's 3rd round pick or $2,145,062-$4,290,125 which is next year's 2nd round pick.
18 Jun 2023 23:06:49
To Minnesota Wild :
C - Mark Scheifele ( 6.12 @ 1 UFA )
To Winnipeg Jets :
21st Overall Selection in 2023 - MIN
RD - Calen Addison ( RFA )
LW - Sam Steel ( RFA )
To New York Rangers :
C/LW - Pierre-Luc Dubois ( RFA )
LD - Logan Stanley ( RFA )
To Winnipeg Jets :
C - Filip Chytil ( 4.43 @ 4 UFA )
LD - K’Andre Miller ( RFA )
23rd Overall Selection in 2023 - NYR
To Los Angeles Kings :
G - Connor Hellebuyck ( 6.16 @ 1 UFA )
To Winnipeg Jets :
C - Gabriel Vilardi ( RFA )
RW - Arthur Kaliyev ( 894k @ 1 RFA )
Kyle Connor - Gabriel Vilardi - Blake Wheeler
Nikolaj Ehlers - Cole Perfetti - Nino Niederreiter
Morgan Barron - Filip Chytil - Arthur Kaliyev
Sam Steel - Adam Lowry - Mason Appleton
Josh Morrissey - Neal Pionk
K’Andre Miller - Nate Schmidt
Brendan Dillon - Calen Addison
19 Jun 2023 02:09:59
If the Jets trade Scheifele in division they won't be targeting bottom of the lineup players. They'll be looking for prospects or ELC's with lots of team control.
Miller won't resign in Winnipeg, so the Jets have to pass on that one, but Chytil would be a nice piece.
LA apparently isn't in on Hellebuyck, they want PLD, but those are decent pieces to work around. Helle also wants a long term extension wherever he goes.
19 Jun 2023 02:18:45
Overpayment on all of the IMO.
19 Jun 2023 03:56:25
Scheifele one is decent but just doesn’t make sense for Minny IMO.
19 Jun 2023 23:32:24
Miller’s value has to be close to Dubois no? Maybe more?
20 Jun 2023 00:32:03
And why won't Miller sign in Winnipeg. Without any factual information that's just your opinion.
20 Jun 2023 01:49:24
The Minnesota offer is horrible and Jets laugh at it. Last summer Anaheim didn’t even bother to qualify Steel cause he’s a bum.
20 Jun 2023 02:17:20
Yeah you picked the least valuable piece in the trade to trash. Winnipeg wouldn’t make the trade for Steel.
21 Jun 2023 00:44:50
BALSAM: WPG has great hockey fans, but it’s no secret it’s a tough market for to sign or re-sign free agents. That’s not opinion either, it’s a fact. There’s a growing number of players, including Canadian players, who don’t want to play in ANY Canadian market. (Another fact)
I too share the opinion that Miller wouldn’t re-sign in WPG if he was traded there. He loves playing in NY, and not many markets can compete with NY for the excitement it offers young men making millions.
21 Jun 2023 01:21:00
Yet players continue to play for Winnipeg and sign in Canadian cities. You can’t shoot down a trade proposal because you think you know where a guy will or won’t play. Wasn’t the Pionk a similar situation a few years ago?
21 Jun 2023 08:40:21
First two Winnipeg wins by far, 3rd seems fair.
23 Jun 2023 21:33:58
Vilardi a 23 year year old who was over a 50 point pace and Kaliyev is a 21 year old with high potential. Would need to sign Helly to a steal of a contract to make that even close to fair.
11 Jun 2023 13:41:29
Wild:
T.J. Brodie D
Leafs:
2nd 2024
2nd 2025
Coyotes:
A. Matthews C
N. Robertson RW
W. Nylander LW
Leafs:
1st 2023
1st 2025
L. Cooley RW
C. Keller RW
11 Jun 2023 17:52:37
To be honest, I don't see The Leafs-Coyotes trade even getting you a sniff at Matthews.
11 Jun 2023 20:18:02
I'm not sure you trade a 60 goal scorer, especially one who has plenty of tread left on his tires.
12 Jun 2023 02:18:12
Would a team give anything to take Brodies 5M? Wild don’t have the cap and I don’t think Brodie is a need for them.
Yeah you upgrade an 80 point guy to a 100 point guy but you trade away the future. Nylander would be a one year rental for them so I don’t know why he’d be in the trade.
13 Jun 2023 03:29:32
I think Brodie has value. He’s a reliable dman and that can eat minutes.
13 Jun 2023 16:58:15
- more leaf-friendly trades from the poster who goes by "Les Habitants", pretending to be a Habs fan. Hillarious!
- Brodie isn't worth ONE 2nd, let alone two.
- why would ARI want to take on all that salary for ONE YEAR of Matthews & Nylander, and trade away all those picks and prospects?
Get real. this is laughable. Treliving is a respected hockey man, but he couldn't make this deal with a gun and a mask! : )
13 Jun 2023 17:28:49
Only way you may see Matthews in an Arizona jersey is if it's a sign and trade deal and it's done before July 1st or if he chooses to go there next year. Only reason Arizona does it is to improve revenue right away whether it be through corporate sponsors, ticket sales (all 5000 of em lol), and merch sales. They are running the risk of relocation, but adding the best player to come out of Arizona definitely helps their case. Brodie isn't worth a 2nd alone. Maybe at the deadline if his salary was much lower, but right now it would probably cost the Leafs to unload him.
10 May 2023 20:30:17
To Minnesota Wild :
C - Mikael Backlund ( 5.35 @ 1 UFA )
To Calgary Flames :
1st Round Pick in 2023 (MIN)
To New Jersey Devils :
G - Daniel Vladar ( 2.20 @ 2 UFA )
To Calgary Flames :
3rd Round Pick in 2023 (NJD)
To Vancouver Canucks :
D - Nikita Zadorov ( 3.75 @ 1 UFA )
To Calgary Flames :
3rd Round Pick in 2023 (VAN)
3rd Round Pick in 2023 (TOR)
Jonathan Huberdeau - Elias Lindholm - Tyler Toffoli
Jakob Pelletier - Nazem Kadri - Matt Coronato
Andrew Mangiapane - Blake Coleman - Dillon Dube
Adam Ruzicka - Matthew Phillips - Walker Duehr
Noah Hanifin - Rasmus Andersson
MacKenzie Weegar - Chris Tanev
Oliver Kylington - Troy Stecher
Jacob Markstrom
Dustin Wolf
12 May 2023 12:15:45
Backlund 1st but not Minnesota, they still got nearly 15m in dead cap next 2 years, they'll be looking for cheap. Vladar is an average backup, lucky to get anything. Zadorov they got for a 3rd and his stock has gone up so that looks fair, maybe even a 2nd.
12 May 2023 18:10:16
I agree with you actually, good points.
12 May 2023 20:04:04
maybe trade hanifan and tanev use weeger on the top pair and sign someone like dumba or severson to replace tanev and schenn for bottom pair.
12 May 2023 20:04:57
if they don't want to sign i don't feel like tanevs worth resigning but don't want to lose hanifan for nothing.
02 May 2023 14:00:45
To Winnipeg Jets :
1st Round Pick in 2023 ( MIN )
C - Marco Rossi ( 863K @ 2 RFA )
LW - Sam Steel ( RFA )
To Minnesota Wild :
C - Mark Scheifele ( 6.12 @ 1 UFA )
D - Logan Stanley ( RFA )
To Winnipeg Jets :
1st Round Pick in 2023 ( CGY )
C/LW - Connor Zary ( 863K @ 2 RFA )
LW - Dillon Dube ( 2.30 @ 1 RFA )
To Calgary Flames :
LW - Nikolaj Ehlers ( 6.00 @ 2 UFA )
To Winnipeg Jets :
1st Round Pick in 2023 ( FLA )
C - Christian Dvorak ( 4.45 @ 2 UFA )
D - Justin Barron ( 925K @ 1 RFA )
To Montreal Canadiens :
C - Pierre-Luc Dubois ( RFA )
Winnipeg acquires (3) 1st round picks in this year’s draft and sheds cap space for potential free agent signings. Winnipeg needs a retool after losing in the first round and Scheifele, Dubois and Stanley wanting out.
Kyle Connor - Chaz Lucius - Blake Wheeler
Cole Perfetti - Marco Rossi - Nino Niederreiter
Dillon Dube - Christian Dvorak - Morgan Barron
Sam Steel - Adam Lowry - Mason Appleton
Josh Morrissey - Neal Pionk
Nate Schmidt - Justin Barron
Brendan Dillon - Dylan Demelo
Connor Hellebuyck
David Rittich
Potential Free Agent Targets :
Jonathan Toews, Sean Monahan, Matt Dumba, Jordan Staal, Jason Zucker, Patric Hornqvist, Evgenii Dadonov, Alexander Kerfoot.
02 May 2023 16:08:18
I would hope that the Jets wouldn't do any of those trades.
Extra cap space doesn't help the Jets sign top free agents as its hard for them to convince players to sign to play in Winnipeg.
Getting 3rd/ 4th line players in return doesn't do much to improve the team at all.
I know the Jets may not be in a powerful trading position as of now but by the draft teams may pay more to outbid competitors for any Jet players being offered in trade.
02 May 2023 19:00:20
i might be interested in ehlers but i think the flames should keep there 23 first.
02 May 2023 19:25:18
I doubt Minnesota would move Rossi and will have trouble fitting Scheifele with all the dead cap they have.
Maybe on the Calgary one. It depends how much the Jets like Zary and Dube.
With Dubois being willing to go to more teams than Montreal, with any luck the Jets won't have to worry about getting stuck with a bad contract like Dvorak as part of the return.
But from the latest Chevy speech, it doesn't sound like a rebuild is happening just a restructuring, so Ehlers probably won't be available and likely only one of Scheifele or PLD.
03 May 2023 02:16:14
Yeah, honestly I have no idea if any of these would be close. Just wanted to post some ideas lol
03 May 2023 15:45:03
The Scheifele trade is not bad, although it is a bit of a gamble for Minnesota. They're thin on center depth and this trade would help them a lot but I think they might would've liked more term on Scheifele's contract, since they're giving up good assets in Rossi and their first.
PLD trade should work value-wise, but I'm not sure if the habs would want to give up Barron. He's been pretty good for his stint with them and looks like he has solid top 4 potential. The habs are a bit thin in D propects so I'm not sure they would want to trade one of their best away, especially considering there's a good chance they pick a forward with their early first round pick.
03 May 2023 19:48:47
Not too bad. PLD gets more from a contender imo tho.
PLD ( 8 year extension ) for Byfield would be a cool trade.
03 Mar 2023 12:55:43
Wild proposal that would work.
The Leafs would start by activating MMurray and sending down Woll to The AHL which gives Toronto exactly a 850.00 in Cap Space.
First they would trade NRobertson to Vancouver for Freeland, The Leafs than put Freeland on LTIR giving them a Cap Space of 2,650.000.
Than Toronto trades WNylander, Kampf and Holl to Detroit for Raymond and Perron, the Cap Space after that trade would be 7,437.366.
Than to end the deadline Vancouver sends JTMiller to The Leafs for a 1st Round Pick 2023 (Boston's Pick), and a 1st Round Pick 2024 with still 2,187.366 in Cap Space which will be used for Matthew Knies and any AHL callups needed for the rest of the season as only Cap matters after today not roster size.
So in the end players in and out on NHL rosters.
In - JTMiller, Raymond and Perron
Out - WNylander, Kampf and Holl
If Dubas wants to shake todays deadline this would definitely do that.
Thoughts ?
03 Mar 2023 13:36:07
I think we may see Kerfoot and Rielly get dealt to Vancouver. Miller, Demko, and a pick coming back this way. Clears a lot of cap. Solidifies our forward group. Gives us another goalie option to work with. Last night Rielly played on the 3rd pairing. His play hasn't been that great as of late. The left side is in good shape still if they do deal him. He'd likely be open to heading home. Should be an interesting day regardless.
03 Mar 2023 14:49:12
MG69
Rielly has a NTC in his contract, so he can't be traded to any team, Rielly and Tavares are the only 2 on Toronto that have a no trade clause in their contracts.
03 Mar 2023 14:52:57
You don’t gain cap space by trading for someone on ltir.
03 Mar 2023 15:12:18
That is super creative Pinball, kudos.
I also agree with moving someone like Nylander for non-perimeter players who can still score the kind of greasy playoff goals that come from battles in tough areas.
I’m also not big on Robertson, who is too small and fragile to be considered a top-end prospect by other franchises.
As I’ve said, if Dubas comes away with a solid goalie today, that would be solid work. Doesn’t even have to be one of the sexy big names. Varlamov could probably be had cheap, and his playoff numbers are solid.
Still, you put a lot of thought into this one, so kudos man?.
It will be interesting to see what does, and doesn’t happen. I tend to think it’s always the teams that make sneaky, under the radar trades, that tend to make the biggest difference. BOS made an awesome trade with the Orlov deal, and CAR hasn’t done much, but did some great work over the years to get to this point.
There will be some very, very good teams out in the first round. I’ve never seen the east so tight with quality teams. The playoffs will be exceptional this year!
03 Mar 2023 15:16:30
Ebsolutely
Yes you do, know the Cap loopholes.
03 Mar 2023 16:32:27
You can just go over the cap by whatever the LTIR number is. In your trade they would free up whatever Robertson makes.
03 Mar 2023 16:40:40
If what you say is true Arizona would have like an extra 30M in cap with all the guys they have on LTIR. So they can magically spend 110M not including those guys? They can spend 82M and an extra 30M goes towards guys that don’t play. Leafs can ice 82M not 84M because they traded for a guy on LTIR.
03 Mar 2023 17:06:16
PINBALL: Ebs is correct regarding LTIR this time of the year.
04 Mar 2023 20:34:46
Holl has a no trade contract.
01 Mar 2023 17:18:42
EDM & TOR have made some exciting upgrades, but both need to upgrade their Goaltending to ensure they make the most of their recent upgrades.
- EDM is in worse shape in net, with Skinner & Campbell ranking 34th & 84th in Save Percentage.
- TOR is in better shape with Samsonov & Murray ranking 21st & 36th, & Kalgren at 66th, but could definitely use an upgrade.
The best Goalies on non-playoff teams by Sav% with 28 Games or more played are:
- Gustavsson (MIN: .930)
- Saros (NSH: .916)
- Varlamov (NYI: 9.14)
Saros seems to have the best combination of experience & tread left on the tire. With this in mind I'd propose:
OPTION #1 - EDM:
- 1st ('24)
- 2nd ('23)
- 3rd ('23)
- 5th ('23)
- 6th ('23)
- Cambell (4 more years x 5M)
NSH:
- Saros (2 more years x5M)
(EDM coughs up the additional picks to compensate NSH for the Campbell & his extra 2 years/10M)
OPTION #2 - TOR:
- 1st (BOS '23)
- 6th ('23)
- Kampf (UFA)
NSH:
- Saros
(Samsonov backing up Saros definitely strengthens the leaf net )
02 Mar 2023 04:19:40
I could definitely see Edm and Tor pursuing this, and Nashville trading a veteran as part of their revamp. But Saros is elite, and only 27.
And a question: Is Nashville convinced that Askarov can take over?
Only 20, he’s been in only one nhl game, a loss to Habs- 4.15 ga, .886 s%.
Maybe not.
Nashville is another team that likely hopes to be competitive sooner than later.
Edm maybe works because they could roll with Campbell until Askarov was ready. The Tor trade leaves them short, and American market fans might not have the patience for it.
And, with what they got for Jeannot and Elholm (incredible! ) they are already well set up for the future.
22 Feb 2023 00:06:45
I have a very similar 3 way trade proposal like Toronto did on Friday with St.Louis and Minnesota.
Anaheim Trades
Lopina (AHL)
Chicago Trades
PKane*
*Chicago retains 50% of PKane's expiring contract.
Lopina was born in Chicago so that's why I choose him in my proposal.
Than.
Chicago Trades
Domi
Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Engvall
NRobertson (LTIR)
Joey Anderson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
Kerfoot and Engvall have to be part of my proposal because of Cap reasons.
Than.
Anaheim Trades
PKane*
Toronto Trades
4th Round Pick 2024
*Anaheim retains 25% of PKane's expiring contract.
The Leafs will be stacked upfront, yes Defense isn't addressed but I believe getting a Top Defenceman will be much more costly than on Forward, and Toronto keeps their Top Prospects.
Thoughts ?
22 Feb 2023 12:41:21
I think Chicago gets more value for both Kane and Domi if they make trades separately. I wouldn't be surprised if Domi, as a rental, got a late first. He's having a pretty good season with 43 pts in 56 games this year.
Kane's value on the other hand, probably more around a 1st, a top prospect and a later pick.
So the trade is : Kerfoot, Engvall, Robertson, Anderson, 1st for Kane and Domi with an additional 4th given to Anaheim for more retention on Kane's contract. For Kane alone, this probably works, although I think Anaheim would maybe push for a better pick, since they have the longer end of the stick and don't really care whether the trade is made or not. A the same time, I'm pretty sure there would be a couple of teams hoarding cap space that wouldn't be against adding a 4th from practically nothing. Also, not sure how Kane's NTC works in a 3-way deal.
With Domi in the mix, what Toronto gives up is not enough.
22 Feb 2023 13:46:43
matador12
The Trade Toronto did on Friday set the value on players on expiring contracts.
My proposal gives Chicago a better return than The Blues trade.
Look at what Toronto traded for ROR and Acciari, you have to understand Chicago isn't getting what you think they will, the cost has been set and what I proposed is pretty much right on with 2 expiring contracts.
22 Feb 2023 14:14:40
Part of their value is the fact that they’re rentals, pinball. If they were on bigger deals, teams wouldn’t be calling as much for them, because contracts that last for a few years can anchor teams. Acciari is not nearly the same player as Domi, so I’m not sur you can compare both trades
22 Feb 2023 14:31:12
Mustafarr
Yes it is comparable.
Gaudette an AHL player on a expiring contract.
Abarmov another AHL player and signed but so is NRobertson a better prospect, you add Joey Anderson that alone compensates the difference.
Kerfoot and Engvall have the same value as a 2nd and 3rd Rounder, and the third team Anaheim retaining salary is a 4th Rounder in that situation.
So to say it's not comparable makes no sense as it is very comparable.
22 Feb 2023 14:45:30
MATADOR: Agreed. Teams always yield more trading deadline pieces separately whenever possible. Teams usually only have one 1st round pick and a handful of top prospects, so dealing separately is always more desirable for rebuilding teams to maximize their trade capital.
22 Feb 2023 15:13:30
Exactly my thoughts @Mustafarr
22 Feb 2023 15:25:23
@Pinballisback
It is not comparable. You're talking as if O'Reilly and Acciari have the same value as Kane and Domi. Kane's value is probably not that far from O'Reilly's value (probably a bit higher), but Domi, who's a solid 2nd line forward, has way more value than Acciari, who's a 4th line forward.
A more comparable offer from Chicago would be more along the lines of Kane and Lafferty, if Lafferty was on an expiring deal
Also, for a rebuilding team like Chicago, even if Kerfoot and Engvall are supposedly worth a 2nd and a 3rd, they hold barely any value to them since they're both on expiring contracts, unless they were to flip them immediatly after acquiring them. Contending teams want expiring contracts because they're RENTALS and can help them in the coming playoffs. Rebuilding teams want prospects, picks or restricted free agents, not expiring unrestricted free agents. In Chicago's perspective, those two pieces are basically cap dumps to make the trade fit under the cap.
22 Feb 2023 16:30:09
matador12
In my proposal Chicago gets NRobertson, Joey Anderson and a 1st Round Pick 2024 for 2 expiring contracts, how isn't that not prospects for Chicago?
You are only focused on Kerfoot and Engvall not the main cost The Leafs are giving up.
Also tanking without being obvious is why a Team like Chicago will be trading Kane and Domi, they would Toews as well but he can't play right now maybe ever again.
Friday's deal set the bar of value in a similar situation, you don't think Toronto is giving more than they did getting ROR and Acciari?
Abramov and Gaudette are less players than NRobertson and Joey Anderson, and if you don't agree you haven't watched any of them play.
22 Feb 2023 22:07:07
"You are only focused on Kerfoot and Engvall not the main cost The Leafs are giving up."
You were the one who brought them up saying their stacked value is what would sweeten the deal for Chicago, and I told you they were almost worthless for a rebuilding team and they're only included for cap purposes.
"Abramov and Gaudette are less players than NRobertson and Joey Anderson, and if you don't agree you haven't watched any of them play."
Well if you think this deal brings Kane AND Domi, you haven't watched any of them play.
Joey Anderson is 24 year old who's been good in the ahl but has barely produced at the nhl level, so he holds little to no value.
Nick Robertson is a small skilled forward but he's had injury issues and hasn't even played half seasons in both the ahl and nhl in the past seasons due to injuries so he's a risk.
You overvalue leafs prospects, like every fanbase overvalues their prospects.
Just to give you some perspective here is a similar trade to the one you're proposing involving Nashville and Chicago and i'll even give you their equivalent in leafs players:
NSH : Colton Sissons if he were a UFA (Kerfoot)
Tanner Jeannot (Engvall)
Luke Evangelista (Nick Robertson)
John Leonard (Joey Anderson)
1st Round Pick 2024
4th round pick to Anaheim for an additional 25% retention
Chicago : Kane (75% retained), Domi
Now before you say "Those two trades are not comparable" go look at every player mentionned and compare their stats to their leaf equivalent, you'll see that they are very similar.
Do you really think a deal like that would fetch Kane AND Domi?
15 Feb 2023 17:35:46
Here's a proposal for two teams whose needs complement what each other has to offer:
NYI: Mayfield
EDM: Barrie, Puljujarvi, 2nd & 3rd
WHY IT WORKS FOR NYI:
- leverage Trade Deadline Cap Space instead of trading futures for help now.
- helps with their playoff drive this year, while adding futures. (With Ovi out they have a real shot to overtake WSH for the final wildcard.)
- add a much-needed puck-mover on the back end to feed their offense & run their power play.
- acquire extra picks in a deep draft to help get a little more "future & youth" in their system.
- create a sizeable twosome in Puljujarvi teaming up with Nelson...possibly finding a tangible use for JP. (Size like that makes a big difference at playoff time.)
- leaves 569K in deadline Cap Space for Lou to work with if needed.
WHY IT WORKS FOR EDM:
- EDM frees an additional 1.37M of deadline cap space for a total of 3.345M at the trade deadline.
- adds some much needed size & nasty on their back end with UFA Mayfield.
- EDM is looking for a D, and gets one without having to retain salary.
- EDM frees up 1 extra roster space for deadline additions.
- EDM creates space & adds a D without having to trade their '23 1st, Broberg, or any of their other prized prospects.
15 Feb 2023 18:16:33
@Chickenfoot
At first glance, I wondered if Barrie is what Lou would be looking for, but like you indicated, his D isn’t exactly setting the world on fire, and their typical 2nd pp unit utilizes all forwards.
The optics are bad for the Oilers (all that for 5th/ 6th d-man? ), but it does address their particular cap and roster needs. Bouchard could step up to first unit pp, Broberg could try out on 2nd.
One caveat, Oilers do have somewhat similar player already in Deharnais.
Overall, not bad.
16 Feb 2023 01:39:57
Don’t see how Mayfield is worth more than Barrie. But I do agree Barrie would be a really good fit in New York.
16 Feb 2023 01:42:05
My concern is the islanders cap space. You're taking back like 7m.
16 Feb 2023 01:55:27
HRENKLIN: the cap values are prorated at the trade deadline.
A full season is 185 days. The Trade Deadline values are based in 42 days worth of their full season salary, or 22.7%.
Thus, a player with a salary of 5M only requires 1.135M, or 567,500K with 50% salary retention?.